Do you want to do a backup recording as well? Or I was just going to ask, would you make a backup recording, please, or somebody? I'd be happy to do that unless Mary's going to do it. I think you're better versed at doing it. Oh, no. You can't
have a co-host do it, I don't think. So I think the first instance of um of the recording uh is managed by the host. So you can make um make Chris not a co-host and then he can record
independently to the cloud. Okay. All right. You are no longer a co-host. Thanks. I can only record to my own computer. It doesn't allow me to request host to start cloud recording. Is that okay? Oh, it's only letting you record to your
own computer. Yeah. Well, yeah, you just it just it has to be permissioned. Yeah. Oh, allowed to Well, the permission is allowed to record local files, not allowed to record cloud files. Oh, okay. So, it seems like the
default is the cloud. Um, I I think that's fine. Okay, I'll just do that. Okay. Allow recording. Okay, I'm drawing a blank. Do I do roll call before or after? I always did it after. I always read the
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anybody and we do not have any minutes from previous meetings to approve. Um so next we have an appointment from the Hickory Hills Land Owners Inc. about their yearly
fleoxen spot treatments in Hickory Hills Lake to combat larger fan wart areas. Do we have the representative for the Hickory Hills land owners on the phone? Yes. Yes, I'm here. Okay. Um I don't know if there's anybody from the
lake here. Heidi, I think is here. Um Okay. But again, my name is Dominic Moringalo. I'm with Solitude Lake Management. Um we're here to present the this year's uh fan wart treatment plan for Hickory
Hills Lake. Um so we largely based the plan on the extensive uh experience and surveying and hand pulling of the um members of the the lake group from 2024.
Um what they what they do is kind of identify different areas of the lake where the fan water is particularly uh dense. Um that would expend a lot of diver hand pulling time uh if those were to be addressed with the divers. So they
kind of slate the more dense areas of fan war growth for the uh treatment with the aquatic herbicide flumagard SC which is flumio. This is a EPA and state registered aquatic herbicide that does a
great job on fan wart. So, uh based on and and we also did a survey uh on May 1st um to examine those particular areas to confirm the fan wart growth. Um so that was done by Solitude um and with um
members of the lake group there as well. So, the uh plan and I I don't know if you folks have that in front of you or if you'd like me to pull up the map. Uh share my screen. Do you have a preference? You can share your screen. Okay. I did
make you a co-host. Okay, great. Find a bit here. Okay. So, um let's see. So this uh is the plan here. Uh so there are 10 different areas of the lake. The
total um acreage of the areas is 32 acres. So I'll bring up the map here. So these areas uh the the numbers here on the areas of the acres of each of these um treatment areas. Uh so the
total is 32 acres. Um the treatment uh again is with flumio oxen herbicide. We also we do have a permit from DP as well an annual permit uh which provides approval for the use
of this herbicide on the lake. Currently planning to conduct the treatment on June 11th. Um and the treatment will be done with an airboat with a calibrated pump assembly. uh GPS guidance that will
have these areas pre-programmed into the GPS display so that we can make sure that we're applying the proper product to the proper areas of the lake. Uh the the staff will be a licensed licensed herbicide applicator. Um and I think
this is kind of the plan that we've been following the last few years following the the whole lake sonar fluidon herbicide um a number of years ago. um the between the lake folks doing their hand pulling and then identifying areas
that are too dense to be handpulled. Um we we again select those areas for treatment. So you can see the areas that were selected this year. Um that's that's kind of uh the gist of the plan. Um I I did want to mention one
other thing. Uh we do have the surveys of the lake that were done last year uh did did identify uh another new species of of invasive aquatic plants in the lake. It's actually in the little hickory hills
lake portion uh which is on the top right of the map there. They found um European or brittle niad najis miner which is another non-native invasive species. So, and it was only found in one location of the little hickory lake
portion. Uh, so we are planning to also treat that uh later in the summer um with the Dquat herbicide uh to try to hopefully eradicate that species. I think we caught it very early. They
definitely want to prevent it from from um getting transferred into the main lake and becoming a larger problem. So, that that's also in the plan. for this year as well. So, I'd be happy to um go into any more details that you'd like to hear or answer any
questions. Thank you. Um are there any questions from members of the commission? Doesn't look like it. And I don't This seems pretty comprehensive. I don't have any questions. are there. Oh,
Rich. Oh, sorry. Richard, you have a question. Thank you. Hi, Dominic. Hi, Richard. Hey, I was wondering, do you have a schedule for water testing? Don't you have to keep a certain level of flamoxiden in the water column? Uh, no. This is a the flumioin is a kind of a
rapid acting herbicide. So, there's really there's really no need to monitor the concentrations like we had to do with the fluid treatments. So there's there's no herbicide monitoring required with this with this approach. Super. And what is the um the time frame
from application to dead weeds? Um two to three weeks or so. Okay. Yeah. And any testing afterwards for um O2 levels and things like that with the decomposing plant material?
Uh not not on on our part. I know I know the lake group um has another consultant that does some sampling. I see Heidi has her hand hand up there too. So I can if it's okay with the chair I can she can probably help with that answer.
Absolutely. Yes. Um we will have monthly water testing done through the summer and that that will be every month. Okay. And you've used this uh herbicide before in Hickory Hills.
Yes, sir. Yeah, we've been doing it. I think this will be the third or fourth year um that we've been selectively treating certain areas of the lake with this herbicide. It's a only one of two herbicides that really works on fan
wart. The first one is fluoridone obviously, which is uh requires a very long contact time, does not work very well in spot treatment approaches. So although the flumioin um doesn't provide quite as long-term
control as the fluoridone does, it it does work very quickly. It does work very well with with smaller treatment areas. So and it kind of complements the diver hand harvesting um activities that
are ongoing too. Okay. And is there a maximum of the lake surface that you should be treating? I because I believe Hickor Hills is about 300 acres and it looks like you're doing about 10% of that in treatment area.
Yeah, the uh D regulations for flume oxygen allow don't allow us to treat more than a quarter acre a quarter of the um lakes's surface area at any one time. So we're well below that. Uh we also you may remember from past
conversations about this herbicide, but they also it's not allowed to be used in the same area um more than once every four years. So we've had to specifically kind of u tailor these areas to to avoid areas
that have been treated with the same product in the last 3 years. So that's you'll see like some places where we probably would would have been able to would have needed to treat but we're not allowed to do that. There's a few areas few small areas that we had to cut out
because um we would not just to stay compliant with that particular requirement. Okay. And do you um easily available have the last three years maps Kate to
send to the office for review? Oh, sure. Yeah, I I mean we have certainly can send them in the office. I mean we we submitted obviously the same type of plan the last every year that we've done this um as well. So I'm sure you have probably have many records, but I'm
happy to send those plans to the office. That's okay with the chairman. I I would like to request them. Just unfortunately our office has been in a bit of disarray over the last couple of years with um file storage. Okay. And if you have them readily available just so we have them on file. You bet. I can do that. Great.
I appreciate that, Dominic. Thank you very much. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Richard. Do we have any more questions from members of the commission? Do we have any questions for members of the
public like it? um where this is an appointment uh we don't vote on this this is just aformational session right
believe that's correct okay okay um well then thank you very much Dominic for that presentation excellent just just to be clear we have the approval of I I think in past years you may have voted, but I'm not I'm not
I don't want to tell you guys what to do, but I just as long as we're uh good to go with the treatment. That's I think that's all we need to know. Madam Chair, that's that's consistent with my um recollection as well is to uh approve take a vote to approve the um treatment
as proposed. Okay. So, I would be looking for a motion to approve treatment uh scheduled for June 11th for 32 acres of flumy oxygen. So, moved Richard. Second. Second.
Okay. I have the move from Richard and a second from Mary. And then roll call vote. Mary Wilson. I. Mike Larouche. I. Peter Stella. Hi,
Richard Burch. Hi. And Chris St. Germaine. Hi. All right. October. Thank you folks. Have a good evening. You too. Appreciate it. So, moving on to new public hearings.
Um, we have 417 Howard Street pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 as amended and the town of Lunenberg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws, a public hearing on a notice of intent by Steven Lahi for construction of a driveway and associated site work to
facilitate the construction of a single family home on the rear abing parcel with a buffer zone impact of 57 ft. Um, do we have the applicant or representative here? Yeah. Brian Maretti, Marty Engineering. Okay. Um, do
you want to you like to share your screen or go over the Sure. Y project. Okay. Let me uh I'm actually going to change it so that you can that everybody can share. Oh, there you go. Okay. All
right. Uh so Brian Maretti here um on behalf of Steven Lahi, applicant and owner of uh 417 Howard Street. Um as you said earlier,
uh we're here to permit the construction of a single family house. Um the loties own two parcels. They approximate 33 acres at that address. um wetlands were delineated by Three Oaks Environmental. Uh and as you see
from the plan here, the portion of the property that accesses the the larger upland area in the property uh does pass through a buffer zone. So, uh, we have zoom in
here. You can see the 100 foot buffer is is basically right here to the limit of the property line. So, in order to get a driveway through, um, from Howard Street, uh, it's a 16 foot wide driveway.
[Music] Um we have uh a small buffer zone impact uh just along that shaded section you can see here just from here to here. So in order to access it we're back about
driveways about 500 ft long. Uh we come back to the proposed house location. Uh the house will be served by a septic system uh in a proposed well. Uh all those impacts are outside of the buffer zone. Uh there's electric utility poles within Howard Street. It will come off
How Howard will come off How Howard Street to the property um overhead to a utility pole here or back here on the property and then it'll be continued underground from there up to the house. So we've proposed here for
erosion controls um you can see the dash line here all in the vicinity of the buffer zone um a row of hay bale and sil fence. Uh, and even though it's single family and it's less
than an acre of impact, um, we don't meet, uh, the requirements of the Lunberg stormwater bylaw and per mass D stormwater standards. We don't need to meet the, um, the stormwater standards for single family development. So, um,
we haven't designed a full drainage system to comply. Um, but we did propose a piece diaphragm along that western portion of the driveway which uh you see here it's a 3- foot wide trench
um which will be full of crush stone and uh will be lined with filter fabric so that the top layer of stone can be maintained and cleaned out on a periodic basis. Um, D did issue a file number and they had one comment that just recommended to the commission that you
consider uh potentially having a long-term operation maintenance plan uh for just that portion uh to be kept on record. Um I did put one together just in case you wanted that. Um it's a very simple
uh very simple O and M plan. Maintenance of a PEONE diaphragm is really just cleaning off the top couple inches of the stone when the stone gets choked with with you know sand salt debris, leafy debris from, you know, the normal
normal fall and spring activities and and uh sanding activities over winter or the driveway. So I think that basically sums up the development. Again, there's no impact within the 50 foot no structure zone. It's all 100 foot buffer zone
impact only for proposed driveway. Again, because it is single family residential, it is exempt from the uh Massachusetts storm water management standards and the town of Lunberg's uh stormwater bylaw because it's less than an acre of impact. So, if you have any
questions, I'd be happy to answer them for you. Okay. So, um I went out and and walked the site with a couple of commissioners this weekend and I found the wetland flagging to be um a little bit
confusing. And I also there so the wetland flags were pink and then there was pink flags kind of everywhere along the other side of what I imagine is what's going to be the driveway. And I was trying to figure out are those supposed to be property lines or Yeah,
those were surveyed the the they were on the pink flags. Yeah. So there's pink flags near the the iron pole and then there was pink flags just kind of everywhere else. That's that's surveying to traverse for the
surveyors because it's a 33 acre parcel. Uh they have to move their monumentation and their um their transit multiple times. So, you know, wetland flag wise, um, it was only here at the
corner here behind the existing residence here at 473. So, this is the only flagging that was wetland related. The rest of the flagging on the property, um, you know, if they didn't have wetland flag numbers on them, was all just survey, traverse,
and and property boundary markers. And then we did have them go out again for to locate the septic system uh location because we were doing septic testing out there. So there there were probably stakes that were banged in the ground right about in this
location where testing was done recently. In which location? Right here where it says proposed SAS soil absorption system. That would be out behind where the house would be, which again is is probably 100 feet outside of the 100
foot buffer zone. Okay. Um, do we have any questions from members of the commission? Uh, Jenny, besides the um besides the flagging, did you have any other
observations when you did the sidewalk? Not really. Um I again I found the the flagging confusing because there was pink flags for everything. Um but the plan seemed pretty straightforward
except for the the flagging. So I guess my my observation would be that the flagging I don't know. Oh, I think that might be looking for a peer review on that flagging just because I couldn't really tell if it was
done properly. Mary, you have something to Well, I was going to ask if you saw any blue flags. I didn't see any blue flags. Um, and I didn't have the benefit of uh going out with you this weekend, but um in reading the uh delineation
report, I did notice that it was done in the wintertime. Um, and I I walk in that area a lot. Um, not that particular parcel, but you know, the conservation land behind that parcel and then across the road on the conservation land.
There's a there's a lot of uh wetland structures um around. I would want to make certain the delineation is uh is accurate. That would be my my concern. And if you didn't see blue flags, I think at the very least um they need to
be reset so that we can find them and confirm. I agree. I mean the the the flags are all there and they are not blue flags. The wetland delineation report clearly states that the flags are pink
flags. And then the the the the new flags that were set by Three Oaks were three pink flags. Wetland flag one, two, and three. And then downhill of those three flags, which if you look here at the plan at this corner, one, two, and
three were right here. There was a previous set of blue flags that were set that were consistent with the edge of wetland that Maryanne did not ref, but we picked them all up as um you know, she verified that they were still active
and still relevant. These were the only other flags and it continued in a westerly direction here. If you look at the site here, the house is is located higher up on the hill. Um, you know, and the wetlands are all down here closer to the lot
line down gradient of the development. So, I didn't see the flags. I the blue flags. Uh, Mary, did you have something you wanted to Oh, I was just going to um ask if uh uh the house has been um
staked or anything. So, if we went back out there, will we have the ability of determining where the house is relative to where we observed potential wetlands to be? Uh the the house isn't staked, but the like I said, the four corners of
this septic testing here, which is south of where the house is going and downhill of where the house is going, um was staked. He or Mike, did you notice any blue flags while we were out there? Um, this is Mike. Um, I thought there
were a couple of blue flags mixed in with the the pink flags. No, it's possible I missed them somehow. Pete, did you see any? Sorry about that. I keep on forgetting. They had a little unmute icon. Anyway,
just stupid clicking the spot on my screen. Uh, no, I didn't notice any particular I think the other site I noticed blue flight uh blue flags uh that we looked at afterward. I think they were all pink or maybe orangeish.
They're all of the ones that I observed were pink, but um Okay, they're right here. There's wetland flag one, wetland flag two, and wetland flag three are the ping flags, which I did see. And wetland flag right here, just just west of that is 1314. It
continues up in a westerly direction. And that's all of these were existing blue flags that are out in the field that go again in a westerly direction and off the property. And and those were from a previous delineation. Yes. But like I said,
Maryanne reviewed them, saw them, and we picked them all up because they were still relevant. And I have I can't remember. Does it say when that delineation occurred? No, there wasn't a previous delineation by us. I think it was the previous property
owner. Okay. Um, yeah, I think I think I would be looking for a peer review for this or at least I mean it was done in the winter and a previous
delineation that we don't know what when it was done. Does anyone have anything that they'd like to make? Oh. Does anyone have any thoughts on it?
Madam Chair, I I I'm reluctant to move forward with something where um at least our commission uh no member of our commission is confident that they know exactly where the wetland is. That's I you know it doesn't have to be me walking out on the site. If we had an
administrator who walked out on the site and said, "Oh yeah, this drawing makes sense to me." Right? Um and I see the flags and I agree they're, you know, are reasonable. Then that would be one thing. But if we right now today are unclear and not confident of where the
wetland is, um I think that we either need to uh you know get see if our interim administrator can get out there and make certain that the flags I mean you know for me is one vote, right? I I would want to make certain that the flagging makes sense. Um because if we
um vote to approve this then that those are the only wetlands on this site for the next 3 years regardless of how much water is pouring out of that uh hillside. Okay, that's I think that's reasonable. Does anyone else have
any thing to add to that? Madame Chair. Yeah. Um, it does seem to have like u to have different color flags. I know we were looking for the ones we thought we were looking for around that post,
that metal post, but um um did did we mention that there were some the the blue flags? Was I seeing things or were those on the the site that we
were not particularly looking at? There were some blue flags on the left. So, there were definitely blue flags at the other site that we went to. Okay. All right. So, I wasn't seeing blue flags. I was not seeing flags that weren't there.
No. And it's possible that you saw them and I missed them. Okay. Sure. Um, but I agree with Mary that there seems to be some discussion about where those pink flags are. Um,
and to designate where the site was. Um, and did we notice any numbers on any of those flags? Um, no, because it was just the three. So, we didn't look at them because they were exactly those three were right
around that iron pipe. Um, the I mean the my one of the issues here though is that it I don't know how the delineator could have said for sure that the other flags make sense if it's winter. It was February if I
remember correctly. Um, I just I I definitely think that we need to have somebody else look at it. But it's possible that the blue flags were there, but still it was February. Um, I think it would be good to have
Harland go out there and take a look. Can we try to set up a time with Herland so we can go out with Harland and with Three Oaks Environmental so we can all be on the same page before the next meeting? Yeah. Yeah, you can send an
email and I'll let Herlin know other we can have her reach out to you to the office and she's she's in 10 hours a week right now, but she's prioritizing, you know, doing site. What are what are her office hours? Do you know what what days, what times? I believe she's in
Tuesday and Thursday, but she does respond to emails, too, very pretty quickly. Oh, Chris, you have your hand raised. Yeah, just um I might be available. So,
if we can copy the commissioners on that um I you know, I'll try to make that visit as well. Okay. Do we have any more questions from the commission? Do we have any questions from members of the public? I actually have one thing to
say. Um, I think I don't really think there's a a real need to to make a real a big deal out of this. I just I I don't limited time and experience with the wetland
wetland protections act and the specifics of the Massachusetts wetland protections act but I don't think there's an issue here unless the driveway is somehow in the 30oot
buffer within within the 30oot no touch which I mean I don't see it it's a 50 you got 20 ft between the two lines Here you're you're asking for probably more than that to where the edge of the driveway is. So I mean the the driveway
is in part of it is in the 100 foot but yeah it's in the 100 foot buffer but that's that's I don't think you know you were holding up this guy to get his project rolling down the road and the purpose it's just not there. I I think it's it's one of the reasons why
I I'm just I'm once I know more I I might protest much more firmly based upon my knowledge of the actual act and I realize Massachusetts is a state where this seems to propagate everywhere. Nobody can get anything done. I deal with it
every day. Okay. Um so but the if the question is the delineation well the delineation how much delineation I'm going to finish like 40 ft to get within no touch I have I'd like to finish my sentence you asked a
question I'd like to respond to it so the if the delineation is in question then we don't actually know what the resource area is and right now we know that part of the driveway is in the buffer zone but if the delin
delineation is incorrect then that could change and if the delineation is in question then we don't actually know what the buffer zone is. Does that make sense? Yeah. But you're you're I don't
think it's necessary to go to that extreme to to waste time and you know money frankly and you know it doesn't just involve three or four people, right? Um Chris, you have your hand up.
Yeah, I just Pete, I think we're setting a precedence. If we're if we're saying, "Well, it's kind of there." You know, you're right. It's it it could be a good distance, but if we start setting a precedence where we're not quite sure, if we're all sitting there not absolutely sure what these flags are, it's setting a bad precedence going
forward. I I just think that we're just doing our due diligence. Thank you, Chris. Um Richard, you have your hand up. Yeah, I was just going to add to what Chris said. So the the area of regulation is the 100 foot buffer. So we clearly are already in the 100 foot
buffer. Um the basis of our decisions are the wetland determination line which is the edge of wet. That is clearly in question. They're supposed to offer us um how the delineation was done, when the delineation was done. uh in viewing
the pictures from three oaks, you know, it was done with snow on the ground, which it if you're using the plant um delineation technique, at least 50% of the plant material has to be of wet
variety. A lot of that is ground cover type plants that you can't really tell in a in a uh snow covered area. So you know it is the burden of the applicant to show with with a prepoundonderance of evidence where the wetland delineation
is. Uh clearly a majority of the um commissioners don't feel that that burden has been met. So I myself feel strongly that we should um continue we should ask for continuation and go out on site with our agent to take a look at
the wetland delineation with the vegetation present so that we can make determinations. Three oaks had the opportunity to do it um with soil borings but they did not choose to do that. So, uh, it really doesn't leave us
with a clear determination of where the wetland delineation is. So, that those are my feelings, but without having a the the firm delineation, we can't make any decisions moving forward. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you,
Richard. Um, did we have any other commissioner comments? Do we have any comments from members of the public? Mr. I'm I'm the land owner. Um just one comment. Um I'd appreciate if you could
do this quickly. We already did miss we did miss the original window of being uh having this meeting within 21 days of our submission. Um so we we just appreciate an expeditious review. Happy to appear review if you want it. And if we could get that done before the
next meeting, it would be appreciated. Yeah, if if I could, I would like to add to Steve's comment. We I know there's been a little bit of dysfunction in the office as of late, but we we did file this back the second or so week in
April. Um we were supposed to be on the agenda or were told we were going to be on the agenda for the last meeting, but we weren't put on the agenda. So, we're already another two weeks behind and the applicant is um just waiting for this permit so we can get his driveway permit to start work out there. So, every
couple weeks there's a couple weeks lost. So, if if you know we we'll do whatever the commission wants. Um if we can go out there with Maryanne and the and the agent, walk it, come to an agreement. I would love for us to be able to come to the next meeting with as much of the final documentation as
possible and, you know, perhaps try to have an order ready as soon as possible, you know, after the next meeting, even at the next meeting if possible since this is a buffer zone only impact. And we are pretty confident in the wetland lines as they are. Um, it is a pretty
minor intrusion into the buffer zone and should be an easy one to to uh put an order together for. I'd like to get this thing done, finalized, and recorded so the ladies can start building their house. Yeah. So, definitely reach up to um the
interim administrator, Herlin, and see when she will be able to get out there with you. Mary, you had something to add? Yeah, to to um uh Ryan's point about wanting to expedite this. I mean, in terms of looking at I have a lot of
concerns about the rest of the project. Um I I as one commissioner would be interested in um having that perpetual condition for the O andM plan even even though it's pretty straightforward and simple. Uh but it sounds like um Brian
already has that ready to go. So, um that's yeah, my I just want to make certain the wetland uh is uh delineated and that the commission can have confidence that that's done appropriately uh so that um we're very
clear on what um portions of the buffer zone are uh this driveway is intruding on. But I otherwise I don't have I don't have any other concerns about the project. Okay. Thank you for that. All right. So, I think at this
point I'd be looking for a motion to continue and looking for the interim administrator to be able to go out with the applicant and walk the site and then also provide that on and M plan that you made up looking for the next meeting.
So, um All right. Looking for a motion to continue. So, moved Mike. Second. All right. I have the move from Mike and a second from Mary. And and the date of Jenny that we're continuing to is June
June 3rd, I believe. Fourth. Fourth. Okay. Okay. June 4th. Um Okay. So, roll call vote. Mary Wilson I. Mike Larouche. I.
Peter Stella. Negative. Richard Bers. Hi. And Chris St. Germaine. Hi. And then I for myself. Okay. So, the eyes have it. Continue to June 4th. Um, and then I'll I'll email her and let her
know that you guys will be reaching out. All right. Right. We contacting her through the Lunberg. Is there a Lunberg email address for her? lccllenbergmass.gov. Okay. Lunenbergmma ma.gov. All right. Um, Madame
Chair, it might be appropriate for him to also uh have her direct because she has a Lunberg uh mail um address. Oh, she does. That's right. Yeah, she is. I'm not I don't want to give it to you wrong. So, let
me look it up. I believe it is H Jamieberg, Mass. But let me just make sure. Yep. H Jamie J A M I E at lunenbergmma.gov. Okay. All right. We'll contact her
tomorrow. All right. Thanks so much. All right. Thank you. Okay. Um moving on to continued public hearings. We have 390 Howard Street or an ANRAD pursuant to MGL
chapter 131 section 40 as amended in the town of Lindenburgg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws public hearing on the abbreviated notice of resource area delineation by Kevin O'Brien 390 Howard Street. Do we have the applicant or
anyone uh representing the applicant on the meeting tonight? It does not appear that there is anyone on for this application. Mary, do you know if we have gotten the if the
office has gotten the um updated plans uh andor the uh peer reviewers um approval letter yet? I checked the I I checked with Herllin when I met with her and she wasn't aware of anything new on
this and I did check the SharePoint and I didn't see anything new in there. Um looking for that address so I haven't seen anything come across. Okay. I I also had looked and didn't see
anything either. Um I I'm but I'm anxious about this one. Yeah. Um we're we're cutting it close. Well, and and we wouldn't have a quorum tonight because Jeff's not here, right? Um, but I I
I think we need to seriously um consider uh contacting the applicant and asking them to uh to renotify this and uh and then re reintroduce it.
Okay. The challenge is is that I don't think it would make sense to reintroduce it until you have, you know, your your new panel of uh commissioners assembled. Right. Okay.
Um yeah, I'll have to have Harlin reach out to them, go from there. It's probably useful to have Hurland also reach out. I mean, you know, as an interim to just double check that they haven't sent those drawings over, too, just to make certain we aren't missing anything and
losing jurisdiction as a result. Right. Okay. I'm going to have her check the folders. Um, I do think that she did check when I brought it up to her and I know that you had spoken to her, too. So, I told her that there may be
something. So hopefully she looked. Um I'm pretty sure she did, but I will just check in with her. Madam Chair. Yeah. Um can you clarify what you mean by we don't have a quorum? Are you just mean we're me missing Jeff?
Because we have more than four people here. So a So it's a quorum for that one. Um that started before I was on the commission. Okay. Okay. Oh, okay. It was I think introduced uh the first hearing if I recall correctly was October of
2023. Oh, so it's the re is the people that were on there quorum for that one is who was on there at the time. I I understand now. Thank you for claring. Yeah. So, I opened it. So, we have to do a motion to
continue to June 4th. And then so moved second. Okay. Um move from Chris and second from Mary. Roll call vote. Mary Wilson I.
Mike Larouche. I Peter Stella I. Richard Burch. Hi. Chris St. Germaine. Hi. and continue to the next meeting of June 4th. All right.
So, our next hearing is 31 Round Road pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 as amended in the town of Lunenburgg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws. A public hearing on a notice of intent by Sean Farrell for the construction of two landscape
replacement walls, placement of two removable docks, and replenishment of beach sand within the 100 ft, 50 foot, and 30ft buffer zone of a wetland resource area on Lake Shirley. Do we have the applicant
or someone representing them? Chair. Yep. I I thought I had seen an email from u the consultant to delay this one to uh June 4th. I was just trying to look that up while you were reading it in. Okay. I don't see it
indicated on the agenda. I don't recall that, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Uh so yesterday I saw an email. Oh, it doesn't look like you were copied on it. Um so, uh Matt may not realize
that I'm no longer the chair. Uh but uh Matt had an email to Logan yesterday uh asking to continue to the first June meeting uh because um he has had uh he needed to get some uh drawing um content updated
and he had to find another engineering firm to do that because his uh first one had some type of medical issue I think. Okay. All right. I'll forward this to you. Apologies on not noticing that.
Okay. At least I know I'm not missing that. I didn't miss it. So that's good. Right. So motion to continue to 64. So moved. Second. All right. Um first
from Mike and second from Chris. Roll call vote. Mary Wilson. Hi. Mike Larouche. Hi Peter Stella. Hi Richard Burch. Hi Chris St. Germaine. Hi.
Okay. Continue to June 4th. All right. Next hearing is 221 electric a pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 as amended in the town of Lunenberg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws. A public hearing on a notice of intent by Daniel Sheen of Haley Ward Construction
for construction of a two family dwelling in rain garden within the 100 foot buffer zone of a bordering vegetated wetlands located at 221 electric. Um we have a representative on the call or the applicant. I see. Yep. Yep. I'm the
representative Dan Shane with Haley Ward. Um so you guys might know I'm just going to share my screen here just to kind of go over a little bit. It's been a while since I've talked about this one. Yep. Um Yeah. Beautiful. Um so again, looking at 221
here. Um the real purpose of this is I really don't have too much uh new information to kind of share. Um but the real purpose of me being here tonight was to um discuss the best option to kind of reflu the 200 series here. Um I normally wouldn't bring this to the
commission. I try to figure this out with the agent. um but where Sophie was involved at the start of this and has kind of been um MIA for lack of a better term. Uh I tried contacting Jenny and she had recommended I show up here tonight to kind of at least discuss um all the findings at this point. Um so
Jenny, if I'm misquing you, please feel free to correct me. Um that's good. Okay, perfect. So the biggest thing here is uh as was seen from Sophie's, uh site visit report, the 200 series wasn't flagged. Um so she wasn't able to kind of verify the locations of that
rightfully so. I went out to the site uh recently and I did not see them myself either. Um we do have um the original I guess coordinate data when this is originally delineated. Uh so that what I was suggesting was maybe sending out a survey crew to kind of I guess for lack of a better term to like a construction
stake to rehang those flags. Um in the discussion of this we also talked about missing a wetland delineation report. So unfortunately I have kind of um acquired this project from other engineers who no longer work here. Um and going through some of the notes. I didn't wasn't able
to kind of come across any physical report for the wetland delineation. Uh it's my understanding that this was done utilizing the mass um bordering w bordering vegetated wetland um handbook um for lack of a better term there. I'm not sure on call those uh jurisdictions
if you will just because civil not really environmental. So I apologize if I misqued one of those. Um or I guess the other option that I kind of see is there could be a order of conditions to not verify the 200 series. The way I kind of see this again just this is just my opinion. Um feel very confident in
the wetland delineation. Uh a lot of this stuff here does seem to be very topography driven more so than anything. And more importantly the 200 series is on the other side. So even if this flag wasn't even shown on the plans or something of that nature, it wouldn't really bear have any real impact to the
project. Um, but again with the lack of a wetland delineation report, I I'm comfortable with whatever you guys want to do. If it makes sense to have someone else go out there and have it redelineated, we could do that very very much. Um, we would probably use Matt Marorrow or Varendo with Free Oaks as
well. Um, but that's kind of all the information I have tonight. Uh, hoping to get some guidance on kind of the best way to proceed with this. Okay. Thank you. Um, I just wasn't I, you know, where we
don't have a delineation report and the flags aren't there at all. I definitely didn't want to make a decision to say, you know, just have a survey crew do it and we didn't have a administrator to talk to about this. So, I wanted to see
if the commission had any thoughts on which way to go, if it would be okay to have a survey crew do it or if we would like to see the actual an actual delineation report. Does anybody have any comments on that? Mary,
thank you, Madam Chair. Um and you know I don't I don't profess to be an any type of expert in this but uh my understanding from the uh commissioner classes is that if if we accept this uh with the wetland
delineation as it stands then that is the wetland delineation for the next three years and there's no means to change that. So, if they come back at some point in time and do something else, you know, uh, in an area that they really shouldn't be doing it in because
the wetland delineation is incorrect. So, like they wanted to build a shed over there or something. We would not have any any way to protect our jurisdiction. That that's my understanding from the coursework I've done. Thank you. I I would want to see
um the delineation uh report. Thank you so much, Richard. Move your hand up. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I would concur with Mary. I'd like to see the delineation report um on the 200 series flags uh going forward. I would
recommend just remove them from the plan. um unless you want to delineate that side depending on what the um report says they don't seem to have any bearing on the project and there's no reason to really have them and like Mary
said if we do approve it we've approved that wetland boundary on that side thank you thank you Richard yes I'm my question is for education purposes only so if we had the delin
ation report and we had this line, would we would would we um accept a survey crew to refl with with the with the with the report? Would would that be acceptable? I'm just curious.
So, I spoke to our interim commissioner and she said that if she had the delineation report, then she would be comfortable with the survey crew. Okay. But where there is no delineation report, Yeah. um that she didn't think that it was a good idea, but she wasn't
really familiar with the property. So, and Sophie was the one who had noticed that those flags were missing. Thank you, Richard. Yeah, thank you. And Sophie made any comments on the 100 series flags or
the other flags in the little finger? Um, she did I think that she let me I'm going to look it up, but she did not, if I recall correctly, have any issue with the other flags. Her her only comment
was that I think 206 through 210 were missing. But let me Sophie's comments were was unable to locate flags two series 200 206 through 210 on east side of wetland and that was
her only comments. Yeah. So, her overall result was partial pass and those were her only notes and she had some pictures. So, by deduction that she didn't point out any other issues with other flags, I
would think that she accepted the rest of the delineation. Um, I don't know what she was using to reference the a report other than the plan if we don't have a delineation report.
So, I thought that maybe the delineation report might have been in another property associated with this property, but I couldn't find it in any of the other properties that were associated with this property. No. And just full transparency, no wetland delineation
report was submitted. Okay. So just to make sure I'm clear and I just want to make sure you know I fully understand what's going on. Um so would you because this is lacking a wetland delineation report completely understand where you guys are coming from. Does it make sense to have the 100 series I
guess be redelineated for lack of a better term and just to have the report associated with that and then perhaps just not even include the 200 series where that's in question? Uh, Mary, Madam Chair, if I may ask a question of
Rich through you. Absolutely. If the um the applicant uh removed the 200 series, uh does that seem like more could we proceed with this? I mean, I walked the site and I thought the flags that I could see made sense. I didn't go all
the way down into the gully and and look for the 200 series like um like um Sophie had done. Uh but I didn't, you know, for the areas I walked and I observed, I didn't see anything that that looked, you know, grossly um irregular in my opinion. Yeah. Okay. If
you were happy with the the flagging that was present, Mary, then just remove and the 200 were the only ones that you were um questioning, just remove the 200 series flags because again, they have no bearing on the the buffer zone. It's not
going to move it. Okay. So, I think I'd be Oh, do you have any other questions? And I don't think we have any members of the public on anymore. Do we have any questions for members of the public?
So I think that I would be looking for a motion to approve with the condition. Oh, I'm Apologies. I'm not the chair anymore. I was going to say, would the condition
that the drawing be updated to remove the 200 series lag or would we be looking to continue and then approve the drawing? Chris, if the 200 foot flags are irrelevant, can we just I think we
can just vote if it doesn't matter, right? It's an irrelevant measurement, right? We would just be asking them to remove the flags from the drawing. Okay. Before, right, Mary? I would want I for one, I'm only one
vote. I would want them removed before I I approved and I would want to make certain that the updated drawing uh with the remove flags have been um sent to D because they will record the delineation. Um, and we would want to make certain
that um, the missing flags that we can't verify aren't part of what they're recording. Okay. Um, does anyone else have any they'd like to add to that? Okay. So, I think I'm going to do
a quick poll and see where we're heading. Um, would we be looking for a motion to continue and then have the drawing have the applicant come back with the drawing without the 200 series wetlands
flags on it so that we could approve it then? Uh, Pete, what do you think about that? I would I'd go along with that. Okay. and Mike. Um, as would I, Miss Madam Chair, um, are we still looking for a
delineation report? No. So, we would be asking them to remove the flags and come back so that we can do the plan and and approve it as and send it to the D. Sounds reasonable to me. Okay. Um,
Madame Chair, I I would be looking for them to update the drawing to remove the 200 series and I would not be looking for a delineation report. Um, because of that, everything I saw on on the uh proposed housing side of the
wetland uh made sense to me. And then um further uh because I went back and looked at the DP notes and I don't want the applicant to come back to us and then us have another list of things. I also would be looking for the on andm plan um as a perpetual condition uh for
the project as well. That was one of D's recommendations. And I know that there was an on andm plan. Yeah. And they did add it to this. Has it been added to uh open?
Yes. So there was one for 213 that was not that was not in 221, but now there's one specifically for 221 in open gov. Yeah, I I was just looking there and I overlooked it. And if I may, I remember
uh previously too when we're talking to Sophie because we originally had one on and plan for both. We called it 213 because that was the name of the project as a whole, but she specifically requested things be reabeled to 221 just to have that clear distinction. So, those should all be in open go. And if not, I can make sure they're uploaded.
It is here. Perfect. Is it okay? I just overlooked it. Apologies. And I think yeah, 213 was there. I'll take a I'll take a look. Um, but yeah, it was a good recommendation, Mary. Um, Chris, what
are you thinking? Yeah, I'm amendable to to that suggestion. Um, I agree. Okay. And then Richard? Yep. Yeah, I'm on board with that. Okay. So, motion I'm looking for a motion to continue to June
4th. Is that would that work for you, Dan? Yeah, absolutely. I have no no objection. Okay. So, motion to continue to June 4th. Um asking the applicant to come back with an updated drawing that does not include the 200 series flags
and we are not looking for a delineation report. So, do I have a motion? So, moved. Second. And roll call vote. Mary Wilson. I. Mike Larouche. I. Peter Stella. Hi. Richard
Burch. Hi. And Chris St. Germaine. Hi. And I for myself. Okay. Continue to June 4th. Great. Thank you guys very much. Have a good rest of the night. You too. Thanks. So the next up is uh administrative determinations and this is for five
electric a um do we have the applicant or they have one other person left. Um and that is Kim. Yes. Are you five electric? Yes I am. Okay.
Yep. And then this is for a deck on a restaurant. Yes. Patio, stone patio and wall 18 by 50 comos. Uh do you um have anything that you'd like to share? Do your screen share? Um I'm
not sure. Did somebody um come and take a look at the site? Um I spoke to Logan this morning and he says somebody um already look at the site. Um it's pretty straightforward. We currently have um those landscape. I mean it's the stones,
right, Kenny? It's Yeah, there's already some stones there. Stones are there. We're just going to use pavers instead. Wouldn't affect any other areas, just what we have so far. We just use a different um I think you know material and the walls and put some ceilings out
there. Okay. Um so do you I know we have some pictures that you had you had a diagram that you had created. Do you want to share your screen and show us that or
It's the same. I think it's the same. Did we submit this planned? Yep. I think we submitted. Yeah, I think you have everything that we have. So, we do. Yeah. Um, does somebody want to share pictures? Did somebody come down this morning? Because I talked to Logan and he says somebody
um will check out the patio area this morning. So, in the workflow, I do see that um Herllin was planning on visiting. It doesn't say when. Okay. And I said I she
had asked if it was on today's agenda, but I don't see any notes um of an inspection report. Okay. So, it does not it does not look like she's made it out there yet. Okay. Um, but we could take a quick look at your plan and
see if anybody wants to make any comments now so that you have an idea of some anything that we might be looking for. All right. Thank you. Yeah. Um, does somebody else want to share the plan or like me to do it?
I can do it. I can do it. Okay. Thank you. So there's a the diagram from it looks like Clier Clier. Clier companies, you have sharing capabilities, right,
Rich? Yep. Okay, there. So, do you want to talk us through this at all or can you want to say tell them what? Yeah. So, if if you're looking at um Kim and Brian's building from the front on the left hand side, uh we're
proposing a 18x 58 patio and it's going to have a probably about a twoft high wall all the way around it. So, it's secluded from people to come in. It will have a gate to for exit, emergency exit. We're going to cut a door in inside the restaurant to go out to the patio for,
you know, um, for up to 24 seating. We're going to remove some of the seating while that patio is in use in the summertime from the VIP room and then vice versa in the winter. So, it shouldn't really impact any of the um any of the uh on the inside. And it does
conform to all codes. We did have Jera go through all that and they did put that on a set of prints. You guys should have that. It should be on one of those additions. Um, obviously emergency exits, emergency lighting will be intact and do a little bit of soft lighting underneath some of the Yeah, exactly.
underneath some of that stone um just to give a little bit of ambiance, but there will be no like direct lights into street or or uh the woods or anything like that. It'll be handicap access on in the front where that gate is as well, but you will
have to go technically through the front doors of the restaurant to get out to the patio. So, there'll be no entrance from the driveway to the patio. There'll be that gate will be a one-way exit door only.
Okay. So it looks like the restaurant itself is in the 100 foot buffer and then very close to the 50ft buffer and
then behind is the 30 foot. Um, so with the patio it looks like it would be entirely between the 100 foot and the 50 foot almost. And is there is there anything existing there right now? It there's
actually almost the same outline as that is in is in stone. See that stone? All that brown stone. It's almost that same exact Oh, that's a nice picture. It's almost that same exact outline. Okay. So, so you're looking to have it stay in
an existing footprint. Existing footprint. Yeah. But obviously with hardcape to make it nice for, you know, for easy for people to walk with tables and chairs. Um, you know, obviously waitress and waiters to go out there and be able to walk correctly. Okay. Does any commissioners have any
questions about this? Yeah, Madam Chair, I was just questioning why this wasn't an RDA a wetland filing rather than a determination because we are converting just a a stone landscaped area that's
permeable into a looks like about a thousand square foot patio and uh wall structures. Uh there is going to have to be grading and site work involved. Uh, so I guess I was just questioning why it wasn't an IDA. Yeah, that's a
good question. Um, I think I think it would be very reasonable to ask for this to be an RDA. Does anyone else have any questions? So, um, an RDA, do you do you know what that
is? I do. Because the kitchen addition, we use the determination. That's why. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, it looks like this would be outside of the scope of a administrative
determination and we'd be looking for I think Richard, myself, um we can we can get the how the commission is thinking about that, but you know, we might be looking for an RDA. Should we do a vote on that, Richard, or
is that I suppose we could uh vote that this is not covered under a determination, a um administrative determination and just deny the administrative determination and request a RDA filing? Okay. or would it just
make sense to request an RDA? Yeah, either way. Okay. However, you feel more comfortable, madam chair. Um, I think I'd be comfortable just requesting that they file it as an RDA. Um, unless anybody has any objections to
that. Does anyone have any objections? No. No. No. Yeah. So if it would if you could file as an RDA, you know how to do that on open gov. I go to Okay. So if you go to open gov,
which is where the administrative determination was filed. I don't know if you guys did that on your own, but there's also an option to file for an RDA. Okay. RDA. What's this stand for? RDA. A request for determination of
applicability. Oh, okay. Request. Okay. All right. So, is it like a different application like Okay. All right. And then what do you need for that like any the besides the plans and what what you
have so far? Is there anything else that you need? So, so the already the application will actually guide you through what what's needed? Um, and then the interim administrator will help you make sure that you get your whole packet
together and that she has everything that you need and she'll I see. Go out and do a site visit. No, I think it's on the the application just like how you apply for a permit. Okay.
On the it's on the website, right? It's uh open here. Let me see. It's I don't remember. Can you It's what? However you apply for the building permit. The same one. That's exactly it. It's that site.
Same site, but Oh, same. Okay. Same site, but you apply for something different, right? Yeah. So, it's it's the Lunenburggma ma.openggov.com. So, if you're at that site, that's the right site. And then which one do you click or the account?
Um RDA then do you type it in RDA? Does that um so Mary did you have something you wanted to say? I just wanted to say that I u I agree with u what um you're doing and what Rich had recommended because while you guys were talking I looked up the local regulation and
administrative determination only um only allows for top dressing of lom plantings fence repair new wells over 50 ft septic test holes removal of dead trees and living of trees to ensure the crown remains. So this uh particular
type of project is um not um not applicable for a uh an administrator's determination per our town bylaws. Okay. So we go there. Okay. Yeah, we'll do we'll figure it out way to get the
Okay, it should be in there. Okay. Is it should be Nunberg conservation and then Okay, we'll figure it out. Thank you so much. We'll do that right up here on the screen. Lunenberg ma.al.openg.gov. And you can see you have the conservation commission. You click in there and you'll find the different
types of applications. Oh, and there it is right there. Oh, go. Okay, I see. Okay, so Okay, perfect. All right. Okay. Thank you. Excellent. Thank you guys. Thanks so much. Have a good night. You all as well. Thanks so much. Okay,
so the Okay. Um, so we don't So the next thing is enforcements. [Music] Um, 10 mass app. I believe that one there was an update
that they are working with. Let me look this up if anyone knows this. They were working with Dillis and Roy and I know Greg Roy a couple of times when he's been in with us but not recently has um
said that they haven't gotten around to working with it. Hopefully they've made more progress. So, I know that Greg had sent something asking I'm almost positive it was this one for about four weeks and I'm not
sure. I want to remind myself when that was and ask um Carolyn to follow up on this one if we're outside of that time frame. Yeah, just follow up with Harland on
that one. And then 1168 Massav rear. Madame Chair, y we have not heard from them um since they originally showed up um to discuss this with us. And as I recall, they were going to hire a consultant to put together a farm plan.
I think it's appropriate to ask them for an update on that. Maybe maybe Herurland can uh talk to Brian about it uh while um while they're talking about that other project on Howard Street. Okay. Writing down
notes. And then um but I I I would say too that that they the commission needs to consider putting some time constraints on that one if there has been no progress made because there there was a lot of um
extensive work done there. Um that looks like it was uh altering wetlands already. Fire road 12. Um the property owner at 40 Fire Road 12 did send some pictures that showing that
a lot of it was removed. A lot of the materials that were there were removed, but I actually drove by that night and there was still some debris there and we're still uh waiting for the DPW to put down stones. Bill I asked Bill when the
stones would go down and he said sometime toward the end of the month. So, we should be getting to that point pretty soon, but there's still a little bit of debris there and I I need to need to ask the applicant to remove the rest of the debris. And then, Madam Chair, yes, I just
wanted to say that I uh was able to get through um uh the Lunberg uh free website um you know, what is it called? buy nothing website. Uh some uh steel Tposts uh that we could also put in that area to uh mark the 30-foot buffer zone
as well uh if if the commission wants to do that. Yeah. And then Sophie has a sign in the there's a sign in the office that we could use for that. Okay, that sounds good to me. Does anyone have any comments on that? in
favor. Me, too. Awesome. So, 950 Chase Road is that that should be removed. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Have that removed. It's like whittling down the list.
Um 390 Howard Street is 390 Howard Street, 48 Meadow Lane. Madam Madam Chair. Yeah. Um just before you go past uh 390 Howard Street, I wondered if that might be one we could um ask for Herllin's assistance on uh
just to take advantage of her expertise uh in um getting that. This is different than the ANRAD, right? The continued hearings are the ANRAD proceedings. Um and that's separate and distinct in my opinion from the um violations that are
out there uh where there you know the new wetlands have been delineated and the last time I was out there which you know uh to be fair has been a while but there were no protections around those delineated wetlands. Um so it'd be nice
I think to get uh Hurland's um the you know the benefit of Hurland's expertise there and it's a huge site. It would be nice to know if there are other resources that um from the state or whatnot that um might be able to help us with that um managing that project.
Okay. Yeah, definitely. It sounds like a great idea. Um so making a note now 48 Meadow Lane. Do we have any updates on that? I don't know.
Um 11:47 mass a I believe there was an update on that one. No, there's not an update on that one. I don't know if what did Sophie
reach out to them at all. I'm not sure. I think that the the violation was reported at around the time that she was going out. I'm not aware that she reached out to that one. Okay, let me uh make a note so
I make sure that that one is followed up on. And then 314 Highland Street. I actually cannot remember what this is. I think that's the one I sent you photos of today. Oh, yes. Okay, that's right. Um, do you want to
share those photos? Uh, let's see if I can share those photos. Oh, it's that you have three. Is it 317 or 314? Uh, hang on a second. Let me double check on the map. Uh, I think it's 3:14. I probably just
had a typo in my email today. So, the right the right address is on the agenda. Yeah. Um, give me just a second to get the uh Oh, there we go. Oh, Richard, do you have a question? Yeah, just to go back a step, what was
the violate the violation at 11:47 Massav? So, that is a um it was an NOI that we approved and there is a there's a driveway Y on they actually had a garage
that water was going into the garage. They sealed up the garage. They graded away from the house, but they had like a burm with a ri with a stream behind it. and the they went way outside the scope of
where the plan of what was approved. And then also I actually can't remember exactly where you and a bunch of trees in the buffer zone. Yes. Okay. And I mean, you know, from from
the curb, we stopped by there on a uh sidewalk one day. We we just stopped at the curb. We didn't actually go into the property. It looks like they cut a lot of the vegetation that had been in the buffer zone. Um maybe into the um BVW as well. Oh, okay. Yeah, I I mean I
remember the application and driving by, but I didn't take that close of a look. Yeah, there's a really big uh looks like maple tree that they cut down and maybe some other the maple tree looked like maybe it was like uh three foot diameter. Oh. Um, but it also looked
like, you know, uh, it was hollow on the inside. So, you know, probably arguably did need to come down, but should have come down with permission. And then maybe some other, uh, mature trees that, you know, 18 u 12 in or more at chest height. Uh, maybe that came down. I
mean, just looking at the cut tree stumps and um, logs that were on site that day that we stopped at the curb. Thank you. All right. So, back to 314 Highland Street. May I share?
Absolutely. Okay. So, on this parcel and and I actually reported this, I noticed it one day on the way out to um walk the dogs. Um yeah, this the house is on the back of the parcel. Uh there's a lot of, you
know, trees and vegetation on the, you know, near side of the parcel. Uh it looks like there's a wetland system up here on the upgradient side of the parcel. Um but as I was going, you know, day every day going out there to, you
know, going past to walk with the dogs, I noticed there was newly paved driveway. Um, and that uh it looks like, you know, they added uh gravel here and over here um possibly a covert
underneath and there's a big trench system that was cut in over there. Um so I mean it it it looks like and you know this is from the curb because I didn't have permission you know to um go
on the property. It looks like they uh put in a drainage system possibly under the driveway and a drainage system downgradient uh that uh they then filled with this gravel cuz this gravel went away. Uh the ditch went away. It was covered back over. It looks like they
just put in a drainage system to drain this um this wetland um that's uh on the up uphill side from there. And I looked in open gov and I didn't see any um you know administrative determination
or RDA or anything uh for this work. So I thought um you know we ought to have a administrator go out there and uh you know contact them and find out exactly what they did and what was the nature of this you know drainage ditch and determine if this is you know a
jurisdictional wetland area. Thank you. Any other pictures that you want to show or um No, just I I sent two um to uh you and uh Herin the two sets.
Um basically the other one because you know it's hard to see from um yeah everything's brown, right? So, I just marked up what I just verbally described to the um to the commissioners to make it easier for her to, you know,
see what um you know, why am I looking at these photos? Yeah. So, there we go. Okay. Yeah. I think you had included Herlin on that email. So, I did. Yes.
Okay. Thank you for sharing that. All right. So, um, next we have new business. I know Mary you wanted to share something. I think that would go under here. The Yeah, we can talk about it here. We can
talk about it under conservation land um improvements. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we could do it here. Okay. So, uh, through the, you know, every spring, you know, I I try to do something in the
town to get volunteers out into our conservation areas to, um, you know, uh, spruce everything up. And there's always a lot of things to be done and fewer volunteers and the amount of work that we want to have done. I had been kind of brainstorming with uh with Chris um and
with Bob about well gosh how do we make this more of a not a once a year kind of um event uh and have more volunteers coming in to help with uh the trails more often. And one of the things that
um I had proposed uh to those guys and you know I'd like to formalize it now is to put a um and if I could share my screen um I would like to we've got a volunteer uh who's uh ready to come and
um and update our kiosk our trail head kiosks need to have some updated maps and and whatnot in there. We have a volunteer from the uh National Honor Society who wants to do that. And so I would actually like to put this um
placard in there. Uh this, you know, basically says, you know, we need volunteers and all of the maintenance and improvements of our trail system is supported by volunteers. None of our trails would exist without the support of our volunteers. Please consider volunteering. Um, and I have a QR code
here that links to a Google form. Let's see if it'll still show that Google form. Uh, my share went away. I'll have to reshare. No, you're still sharing, but I think it's it was just the old thing. Yeah. Let me share again. And I'll share the
form this time. So the uh the form uh actually uh you know collects somebody's email um and tell us your name etc etc and then it it has a
list of all of kind of our wish list right and we can edit this on the fly um I can rich and I still have to figure out about the home for this because I had created this form under our old Google drive for um the conservation
commission. Uh but uh Rich is saying that uh maybe he doesn't own that anymore, but we can find a home for it. That's easy to shift, right? And for whoever our trail stewards are. Um you know, and I would like to still be in that role even after I step back from
formal conservation commission uh work. And I know Bob's really active in that area. We could give them access as volunteers access to continue to update this, right? And as people do work, take one off. It's really easy to manage these forms. These forms will um when
somebody submits a form, uh it can uh generate an email and it goes uh to a uh to a spreadsheet um directly to a spreadsheet so that we would then be able to, you know, see who has uh who's reached out, be able to reach back out
to them, work with them on the logistics of doing the work, etc. Um, so anyway, what I'm what I'm looking for is I'm looking for uh permission to uh add that uh you know, contact us, you know, if you're interested in
volunteering to the uh trail head kiosk. I love it. Great. Good idea, Mary. Yeah, very exciting. Thank you. Um, so I'll uh I'll move forward with that. I got I got a like I said, I have
a NHS volunteer who's who's ready to go. Uh, I'm uh just right now working with um Bob to get um the updated content that uh that he he has um the actions to complete so that we can get those trail
head kiosk. We have 12 trail head kiosks um that we need to have updated. So, uh we'll go ahead and get that implemented. Okay, great. Thank you so much. Thank you, Jenny. Thanks, Mary.
Um, on the topic of the Google Drive, so I was I Logan didn't know that we had a Google Drive, so I showed him the Google Drive and he offered to bring it into the SharePoint. The only issue is that it's really difficult to copy
directly from Google to SharePoint. um you end up losing a lot of stuff and there's no because it's not a a workspace Google drive, there's no backend to copy it in. So I know Sophie had tried to copy it in at one point and it failed out which is what it would do.
And so Logan had offered if we could get a takeout, it's called a Google takeout version of the Google Drive, which is basically you go to takeout.google.com and it lets you choose things that you want to take out of it and it would be the documents. But it sounds like you might not have access to it anymore.
Richard, I thought that they had brought everything in from the Google Drive. They did not. Uh I know Sophie tried um to just do a straight copy, but when
you try to copy from Google Drive into a folder, if anything fails, it just stops it. And then you have to figure out where you stopped and then try to keep going. And I think that she ended up giving up. And she also had Souzar was
supposed to do it and Souzer told us that they had done it, but you know, I didn't have the bandwidth to go check their work. I I didn't hear that they had about half of it is there from what I can tell. Um but it does not appear
that all of it is there. That's a problem. I mean, that's our legal archive, right? So, um I mean we still have access to the Google Drive, but in order to do a takeout, we need somebody whomever is the owner of that Google Drive would have to log in and then and
I could walk them through this. It's super easy. Um but are you not the owner of the Google Drive, Richard? No, right now, uh I did just try to log on to it this afternoon and I have a new computer, so I can't log into it without
verification. And the verification email address is Sophie's um lunenbergmma.gov email address. Okay. Well, that's good though because that means that Logan Oh, I don't know if if
Logan has access to her email. Um, so it might have to wait until she's back, but I'll I'll check with the town and see what the the process is for that because they may be able to at least forward like Susan could go in and forward the email and then Logan would be able to
get that and put it into and then we could put it into one folder and not have it all over the SharePoint because right now I think there's one folder that has some things in it. Um, but not all of it.
Yeah, because I mean I'm looking through all of the meeting folders and they go back to 2016. Yeah. So, I know that she's brought in the important stuff. Yeah. But the last I talked I heard from Sophie is that she
got a lot of it in but not all of it. though. And I know she definitely did not. There's definitely stuff that is in the Google Drive that is not in SharePoint. I have found in the past since I've been on the commission. I found probably at every meeting
something that's in Google Drive. Almost every meeting something that's in Google Drive that is in SharePoint or at least not searchable in SharePoint or not in an obvious folder. But there's definitely stuff missing. um stuff for 564 page street was in Google Drive but
not in SharePoint. There is a um tool called the Microsoft migration manager that might be perfect for that stuff. It works for Google Workspace. It does not work for this is a personal Google Drive. Okay. It's not a Google Workspace
account. So in order to use that tool and like at least in my past experience in order to use that tool you need access into a Google like a a real Google workspace. Okay. Because you do it through an API.
Okay. So that's just something that um you know I would definitely like to get at least know everything even if we just take the whole entire folder and put it in a folder in SharePoint called from Google. That way when we're searching in
SharePoint, those things will pop up and maybe somebody could be going through and put like picking them out one at a time or in, you know, folders. But ideally, we want to have everything in one place and not have it be just a a personal Google
Drive. So, but it's good to know that it's Sophie's email, so we'll be able to get that figured out at some point. Yep. Yeah, it's Sophie's email. And I don't know her cell phone. The last two digits were 07 for a verification phone number as
well. So I would assume that Sophie's updated both both mean contact. Okay. So but no I am I am not the owner per se of it. Okay. Okay. Thank you. So
um old business peer review process. Do we have anything we want to add on that or talk about there? The default continuations
practice. I feel like we've spoken about that. Do we want to I haven't progressed it. Okay. Um do we have anything to update on the budget? No. the process um madam chair the
process that uh was supposed to happen and is probably not happening because we don't have an assistant or at least the last I heard we don't have an assistant anymore um is that the assistant was going to get the budget uh report and publish that in our share
drive uh the 15th of every month and uh so then the commissioners would have the visibility to go and review the budget and see if they had any questions. Uh, but I don't think we've seen the budget report since uh since Maddie
left. Okay. Yeah, it looks like the last one was January that I'm seeing. Sounds about right. Yeah. Okay. So, no updates there.
um encroachment issues, uh grants updates or have anything. I have an update uh uh I have an update on our Luniver Conservation Commission um grant. I uh I have filed the update uh I was a little
bit late uh in getting that in two months late but I it's benign. There's no penalty for getting it in late. I'm I'm working with our accounting department to get the uh get the re first reimbursement
requests in. Uh we have um our consulting engineering firm is build about $35,000 uh for the work uh of uh you know developing plans for you know all the way through permitting and the hearings and whatnot uh for Table Rock
and then also for Raino. Um, and so I would like to get, you know, I thought was it's a nice time to go ahead and try to get our 80% reimbursement at least on that billing. And talking to the grant administrator, the mass um, you know, state level administrator this week, I
thought I could just give them our, you know, accountants report that says, you know, what we've paid and what the checks were for paying it. They actually want the images of the canceled checks. So, um I uh and that that has to go
through Treasury. So, that request has gone out and I'll process the re I was hoping to get all the reimbursement stuff done this week so that it could get reviewed and queued up at the state, you know, then it would, you know, flow out to us sometime in the to the town
sometime by the end of June. Um but that's probably not going to happen. And what I've been told by the grant administrators is that uh their office gets really busy in June and July with their own budget act, you know, annual budget activities. So if we if I submit
in the first part of June, we might not see the reimbursement until August. Um it's it's getting paid for with um our co-pay is getting paid for with ARPA funds. So, and you know, and nobody's screaming at me about it, but I was just trying to be a good corporate citizen
with trying to manage to get that money back to us this year. It just might not happen. Okay. Anyway, we uh we we would be getting back uh roughly $28,000 out of that 35
uh if I'm remembering the worksheet uh correctly. So, yeah. So, that's that would be nice for the town to have that back in our coffers. Yeah, thank you so much for that update and thank you for taking care of that. Yeah, my pleasure. Amazing.
All right. Um, chapters I skipped over chapter 61 open gov workflow. Do we are we still working on that? Um, I know that we're want to have more visibility. That's a Sophie question. Uh I think uh
so the ask that I had made of her and this was through you know I used to be our representative uh at the open space um planning um committee. Uh what happens with uh with chapter 61 um
uh parcels is as as soon as they notify the town that um they're going to bring the parcel out of um abatement. Uh the town has first right of refusal, but they have to exercise that like not make
the offer, actually have, you know, got an agreement um and made the transfer of funds within 120 days of that notification. And the town historically is not able to execute on that at all because, you know, you have to have select board approval, you
usually have to have planning approval, maybe even conservation approval in order to execute that, right? and you usually can't get through uh committee and boards uh in 60 days. Um, but one of the problems that we have is that we
just don't know. Like someone might come to us and make a proposal to, you know, do a project or something and because they have officially come to a board and ask for that proposal, our town council has
deemed that a notification that they're taking that out of um six chapter 61 abatement. And so what um I had asked Sophie to look at, I had asked her and Brian to look at is is there a way to
add uh you know a 61B attribute or 61 um chapter 61 uh notification checkbox into our form, our intake form, uh so that it was really clear and everybody who had access to
OpenGV, it could be something open space could then go look at, you know, and see, you know, do we have and maybe even we could run reports on it too, right? If it's an attribute in open gov. Um, but she said she was going to look at it. Um, the last time she was with us, she said that she had not had a chance
to look at it. Brian said he thought it was possible. Um, but, uh, you know, there were like two or three different ways he was brainstorming it might be possible. Um, yeah, it just hasn't gotten any traction yet. Mary in your scenario when that person came to the
meeting does that that start the clock ticking is that the issue when they submit the request that starts the talk clock ticking so like if they submitted NOI that starts the clock ticking the the way I understand it right um
so you know and we may not see it we may at NOI right we may not even see it until 21 days later right um and if the our administrator hasn't had the wherewithal to notify anybody else that uh hey this looks like this is in
chapter, you know, 61, then we're losing time. We're losing time on an already excruciatingly short um runway to exercise our first right of refusal. Anyway, Jenny, back to you. That's that's the status last as I knew it.
Thank you for that update. I'll check in with Brian and see if he has any updates cuz it's been on the agenda for a long time. Um, conservation land
improvement. I guess your signs could have gone here. Yeah. Does anyone have any updates on conservation land improvement? I I have another update. There's a um there's a um a young person uh Eagle
Scout uh or you know Eagle Scout candidate who's um proposing to do a kiosk uh trail head kiosk for us in the Raino property and um he's really concerned that you know he might have to wait until the
um parking area is actually done. uh he he would like to this summer, you know, if he can get um you know, the authorizations through his um council uh to go ahead and do the kiosk. I would like to tell him to go ahead and do the kiosk, right? And go ahead and install
it uh you know, by the access road that's left uh after the logger has has um you know, left the property because it's pretty straightforward, you know, once we are in a position to actually build the formal parking area. It's pretty straightforward to pop one of
those kiosk out of the ground with an excavator and put it in its new home. Um, and it just would be nice to have that that opportunity to put the information there now. Um, because it is town um property and you know members of
the public can use it uh if they so choose. Uh so uh and and you know if we have problems there or want to direct people you know in the interim to you know park here or not park there or watch out that's a muddy area we would have you know we we would have uh
information board that we could use to put those um those notices on. Yeah. We could also put um uh you know future site so they understand it's under construction and then we can just change the verbiage. Yeah. Yeah. Good
idea. Yeah, I think it would be great if you could get something in there in the for the Does anyone else have any comments on that? Okay. While while we're on that topic,
um I don't have a formal proposal, but I have had some proposal um some conversations with some other Eagle Scout candidates about um Smalltown Forest. Uh Smalltown Forest, you guys might recall, is off of Mulpus Road. It's across the street on
the Upland side across the street from the Cry. Um we have a a pretty big parcel up there. I think it's, you know, less than 300 acres, but it's a nice sized parcel up there. Um, and we had some logging uh that was done
several years ago. It's growing back nicely. The um staging area for the logger is still pretty flat and we have some parking that's on that same access area. And um you know, I was talking to that uh uh pro p prospective Eagle Scout
about um uh doing up some plans to try to make um that area more accessible for families and whatnot for like for picnicking and you know, maybe like a um gravel uh pathway around the outside so that it'd be a fun place to go with
their kids. Um you know, have the kids like pedal around where the parents can see them. um in the parents picnic or or whatnot. I think it's also a really holds a lot of potential um for um allowing more outside access to people
that are mobility um challenged as well. And we had at you know maybe a couple of years ago now even talked about um you know trying to find some sponsors for uh wheelchair compatible or scooter compatible picnic tables which I also
think would be really nice. Um, but uh, you know, I like I said, I don't have a proposal in front of me or anything. I just had, uh, an Eagle Scout kind of picking my brain about that parcel in particular. So, I wanted to raise um, awareness there.
Awesome. That sounds great. Okay. Um, anyone else have any comments on land improvements? So, Hollis Road residents lease agreements and tenant responsibility updates. Do we have anything there? Mike, do you have
anything you'd like to share? Um, I have not seen any uh have we written letters to the tenant yet? Is that something in our uh court? Are we in the process of doing
that after Michael Ray's presentation? Michael Ray took that action to work with town council on that and I think town council was going to write those um letters. That's my recollection. Okay. There
anything um maintenance-wise or anything that you want to share, Mike? I think we cleaned up the basement. We did uh replace the oil tank. Um and we did
secure the electrical cover in the basement. And I spoke with Chris Ruth uh saying that we were unable to get into the property to secure the light fixture. and he was going to give the electrician a call to
see if he could uh get the electrician uh to put that on his list. I have not received a call uh since our conversation and all I can um attest to
are the improvements to the pollinator habitat which is on that same property um over the weekend. Uh thanks to the new um the new grass trimmer, we were able
to trim a lot of the brush in front of the newly painted pollinator habitat sign on Hollis Road, so it looks very visible now. And uh we also um enlarged the entrance way where there was a lot
of overgrown branches andor vegetation. uh to the main entrance of the pollinator habitat. So that's been cleared so automobiles
um can enter without their car being scratched. So there were some improvements there. Um as well as you know just the habitat in itself every there's been a
constant volunteer uh base who's coming in and getting the habitat uh with the new plants that were purchased and uh the lawn has been mowed. So it looks pretty fabulous right now.
So, anyone has a chance to come and take a look, they'll see that uh the habitat is blooming. Nice. Yeah, I definitely want to get out there and see how much it's changed since the last time I was there because
stuff is coming up. And I saw um I don't that I think is her name pronounced Josie Gilchrist. I have not met her, but she's hosting a walk there. Oh, okay. believe it's this weekend and I saw it. It came through as
a I saw it on Facebook, but that'll be a nice way. She's advertising on Facebook somewhere. Nice way to get people into the habitat. It sounds really fun. I'm going to try to go if I can. Well, that'll be a nice uh
um Memorial Day um festivity. Yeah. All right. So, um, committee reports. Do you have anything from open space, Chris? No. They sent me an email on the 12th for a meeting on the 14th, so I missed it. Um,
I now have alarms on my phone like every other day to check the calendars and stuff because they're not giving me enough heads up on these. So, yeah, they they don't choose the date before at like the end of the see it. I checked the calendar a few weeks before that and didn't see anything and then I, you know, I I just missed it. So I I now I
have to check more often. Yeah, we have the kind of a similar issue with storm water where last week we last month we chose a date, but we did it after the recording was done and then nobody remembers what the date was. What were you going to say, Mary? Uh the uh they
used to talk about the like the next five meetings, right? Um but then you know they can't actually put them on the town calendar until you know the agenda is submitted. Yeah. Yes. Carefully. Well and and you can just ask if they because they'll they'll
just resocialize it with you, right? They probably just haven't even tracked that they haven't talked about it with you around. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't have any updates from storm water. I know Bill gave a presentation at the town
meeting and I haven't heard how that went cuz we haven't had a meeting since then. Our meeting is is next week and then I don't think we have any public comment. Do you have any communications that anyone would like to
share? I believe the communications are for us, right? And the public comment is for the public on agenda item 10. Okay. Yes. And then the next meeting is June
4th and then I guess other does anyone have anything they want to talk about before we adjourn? No. Okay. I think I'm looking for a motion to adjurnn. 8:59 p.m.
So moved. Second. All right. Move for Mary and second from Mike. Right. Roll call vote. Mary Wilson. I. Mike Larouche. I. Pete Cella. I. Richard Bers. I. And
Chris St. Germaine. Hi. And I for myself. Um, meeting adjourned at 9:00 p.m. Good night everyone. Have a nice holiday. Good night everybody. Have a good night everybody. Thank you. Bye bye.