Calling to order the January 7th, 2026 meeting of the Lunenburgg Conservation Commission. Um, in accordance with the requirements of the open meeting law, please be advised that this meeting is being audio video recorded. The agenda lists all topics which may be discussed
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the start of the meeting and or following the conclusion of the meeting. Okay. Um, do a roll call. Teddy Det >> here. >> Andrea Bernett >> here. >> Mary Wilson
>> here. >> Mike Larouche >> here. >> And I am here. Chris and Rich will not be here tonight. Um, we just lost Teddy. There he is. >> I'm here. >> Oh, you were pinned and then you weren't
pinned anymore. Weird. It looked like you left. Okay. Um All right. Up first, we have uh an appointment for 49 Cliff View Terrace, which is a administrative determination.
Um do I need to read this in for an administrative determination? It says I don't think I do >> for admin. No, not for an administrative determination. >> Thank you, Mary. My brain's a little
>> Yeah, understandable. >> So, um Okay. Do we have All right. So, this is 49 cliff terrace, a public hearing on a conservation administrator's determination regarding removal of 11 dead hemlock trees. They were probably killed by HWA over the
last decade. These trees are a safety hazard to persons and property. The trees will be selectively removed without disturbing the surrounding trees and vegetation. Um, do we have the applicant from 49 Cliff View on the call? >> Yes, I'm here.
>> Okay. And can you Let me just find you. Um, >> it's Dick Fisher. >> Dick Fisher. There you are. Okay. Um, do you have anything that you would like to share with us regarding
>> Well, yes. The first thing I want to say is thank you very much for putting me early on the agenda. Uh, I I'm in the embarrassing position of telling you that I'm asleep at 8:30 at every night except in the summer when I when I make it till 9. Mike's laughing at me.
I actually am the same except for on nights of the conservation commission. >> So, thank you very much. So, no, I have really nothing else to add. I sent the pictures. I sent a little diagram. Um, the trees have been dead for a while, but I think it's time to take them down because more and more big limbs are
coming down. >> Okay. So, um I'm going to read Herurlland's notes um from the meeting minutes for the previous meeting that this was supposed to be on. Um so 11 hemlock trees were observed to be dead exhibiting extensive branch dieback, lack of live foliage and overall
structural decline. The condition of these trees is consistent with long-term impacts from hemlock woolly adgen uh infestation which has affected hemlock populations throughout the region over the past decade. Uh
the dead hemlocks were identified throughout the wooded slope and along the shoreline edge. Due to their height, location, and deteriorated condition, these trees pose a safety hazard hazard to persons and property, particularly during wind, snow, or ice events. Tree removal shall be limited to the 11 dead
hemlock trees identified during the site visit. Trees shall be selectively removed in a manner that minimizes disturbance to surrounding trees, understory vegetation, and soils. Stumps and root systems shall remain in place unless otherwise authorized. No equipment staging, stockpiling, or debris disposal shall occur within
resource areas. Any additional tree removal or disturbance beyond what is authorized will require further review by the conservation agent or conservation commission. Um, and then I spoke to Hurlin today and she said that she um
believed that you had maybe there was a replacement plan too for some of the trees. I'm going to pull up the pictures from the open gov Let me share my screen.
Okay. Yep. >> So, this is a diagram of the parcel and these dots are the trees. >> Those are the trees. Yeah. >> That would be removed. Um,
and then this is a photo and this would be the ones that are marked in red. Yeah. >> Did you and I discuss um replacements? >> Uh no, I did not. >> Okay. These are these are
>> several plans for replacement. Um there are, as you can see, there's quite a few other trees right in the vicinity. So, I just want to get them down so they don't take anything else out. >> They are they are pretty close together.
>> Yeah. And then this is the tops. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, do we have any questions from members of the commission?
>> No questions from me, Miss U. Madam Chair. >> Okay. I am I'm not seeing any hands up. >> No questions here either. >> All right. Do we have any motions
>> or Yeah. >> I would make a motion to approve as presented. >> Okay. >> Second. >> That was Teddy. >> Heard. Okay. Um All right. So, I have a motion from Mary and a second from
Teddy. I so to approve as stated um roll call vote. Andrea Bernett >> I. >> Mary Wilson >> I. >> Michael Larouche >> I. >> Teddy Ducet >> I.
>> And I for myself. Okay. The motion is approved. So um you can uh coordinate with the office when you take them down because he needs to reach out to Herurlin. afterwards, right? >> Yeah. So, I have talked to a couple of
tree companies. Um, I don't have a date yet because I was waiting for this approval. So, what what's my next step then? >> Um, so your next step would be to find a company that will perform the work and
then after the work is done, Perlin would have to go out. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. Anyone want to correct me there? >> Fine. Sounds okay. >> I can notify you when I anticipate doing
it uh hopefully this month um while the ground is still nice and frozen. Um so I will contact the office immediately upon once we get them down. That's great. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you so much. Have a great night. >> Byebye. Thank you very much everyone.
>> Good luck. >> All right. Um, I did just see Tom enter. So, up next we have uh an appointment with for Tom Analons to discuss trail grooming on the conservation area trails. And I see Tom just joined us. Hi
Tom. Oh, hopefully his sound is on. Can you hear me Tom? How's that? Better. >> Much better. >> All right. Thank you for making it to the meeting. Um, this is we wanted to
just finish up what we or hopefully finish up what we had spoken about last week, which was getting some plans in place for what you would like to be grooming. Um, and we had asked for a map, but we actually we have we we have
a map that we can use. >> Well, >> I'm sorry. >> I think I sent you some maps. >> You did send me some maps. Um, so there are some issues with the the new trails that are added into the lane property,
which is so the lane property is an NHSP site, which is a national heritage and and endangered species program. Um, so there are the entire lane property is part of an NHSP site. So to add new
trails there, we really need to get permission from the NHSP. So those trails are not valid as of right now even as trails. So we need to figure out what the steps for those trails are but for right now they cannot be groomed. Um
so as a commission we can discuss you know what other plans we have. So, we have a map with the map that's at the entrance of the lane property is, you know, a map that has been approved by the commission
as far as I know. Um, that is the map that Mary >> Do you have something to add? >> Well, I I thought we had a map to share. >> We did. >> Um, yeah. Okay. >> Yeah, I have it queued up and ready to go. >> That would be awesome. Thank you, Madam
Chair. Can we see this map? >> Can everybody see my screen? >> Uh, uh, Madam Chair, I can see it, but it has a big wolf security. Uh, there we go. Thank you. >> There we go. Okay. So, this is, um, it is I actually compared it to the map
that's at the Lane property. This is the exact map that is at the front and the homeman parking lot. Um, so it does match. And this is the what's the word I'm looking for? Um, the >> sanction trails approved trails.
>> Yes, thank you very much. So, these are current sanctions trails in the Lane property large town forest. Um, we have no jurisdiction over Hickory Hills trails, so I can't give you any guidance there. um or nor can they we we can't as
a commission can't give you any guidance there but these are the trails that um me as one commissioner I would be um okay with grooming I have we'd obviously have to vote as a commission and see what other commissioners have to
say um do we have any comments from members of the public or comments from members of the commission Mary raised her hand >> thank you madam chair Uh, one thing that I I think we should point out is that uh
kind of towards the center of your screen there's brown trails. Um, >> these ones >> lower. Yeah, there and lower and down to Yeah, >> those are those are on private land and I believe the covenant on that is
non-motorized. >> We don't anyway. >> Okay. So, yeah, stay within the yellow. Well, that's the way we cross. That's where we cross the driveway anyway on that ridge, >> right?
>> One that goes out the Hillrest. >> Yeah. To Gilrest. All of the brown is not uh >> We don't >> Yeah, we don't we don't have >> Yeah, that's we don't we don't that. So, what trails do you not want groomed?
Well, we don't have permission. That's basically >> as of right now, any trail that is not on this sanctioned map, we cannot have groomed because it's an NHSP site and it's just it opens up a huge um can of worms that we need to check with NHSP
and we actually our agent has already reached out to them to see what can move what we can do about those trails. Um because we just need to make sure this is all on the up and up and we can't have you out there grooming them. Another issue is that some of the trails
that are out there um you know there's there are jumps and ramps out there that could be a liability to the commission to the town. Uh there are things on the trails that we just need to make sure that if we are adding trails um and again we are not opposed to adding
trails. Um but if we are adding trails they need to be done with the mindset of how it affects the town, how it affects the people that are on the property. It just it can't be it has to be done as a collaborative um
thing. >> Yeah. How how come it says on the bottom trails may exist that not are on map? So are there trails there that on the bottom of that? >> Sorry, let me get my screen sharing thing in the way and it's not moving. So
let me get it out. >> It says trails may exist >> that are not mapped. So, what trails are on there that aren't on the map that we can? >> So, it's just in my as for me, again, we
haven't voted yet, but for me, myself as my commissioner, I would not be willing to um have any of the trails that are not on this map specifically groomed. >> Mary, you have your hand raised. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes. Um, I don't
believe we should permit uh grooming of any trail that's not shown on this map. >> Uh, do we have any other um, >> madam chair? >> Yes. >> So, what we are saying tonight to uh to
Tom is that if the trail is in red, yellow >> Yeah. Yeah. blue or green, those are the trails that can be groomed. >> Okay. >> And and within that yellow perimeter,
which I think includes all of those colors. I don't see any of those colors outside >> of that perimeter. So yes, that would that would and those are the trails that we know are sanctioned and would not be an issue
with the town or NHSP or any other >> uh stakeholders. >> So basically what we did last year, the same as last year. >> Yeah. Is that if that's what you did last year, then it would be the same as last year.
Thank you, Madam Chair. >> Thank you, Mike. Um, do we have any other questions? Oh, I have um I think is that Bob Peas raised his hand? >> It is. >> Okay, Bob. Nice to see you here.
>> It's nice to be here. Um, uh, I strongly support the, um, request, uh, to groom trails. Um it's to to me the trail grooming is is is a
real plus uh for all users of uh our our conservation areas. Um you know it benefits uh hikers, crosscountry skiers, snowshoers, uh mountain bikers. To me it it it
benefits all user groups. And um you know when the snow is like a foot deep it's uh very difficult uh to traverse um you know the trails in in slog along and uh I'm I'm strongly in favor of
this. Um, I mean, several years ago, uh, it used to be the, uh, Lunberg Snow Riders had to come back every year and, uh, request
all over again every year, uh, the ability to take and, uh, groom our trails and, uh, you know, the trails that are yellow and orange on the maps. Um
and um they uh and you know several years ago we took and uh you know we put those trails in the on in yellow and and uh orange on the maps and said you know hey they can groom they can groom these
trails every year from now on. And um I I I I think I was surprised to see that Tom had to come back this year to ask all over again to groom Trails. Um I I think it's a real real plus. I I
wasn't paying attention last year when, you know, he got permission last year to groom the trails if it was just a one year or whether it was continuing. Um I do think that you know the issue of um
trails that are um you know constructed without permission you know without advanced permission uh you know has uh got uh conflated you know with the issue of trail grooming because the same people
are involved but to me the the trail grooming is just a positive and I'm in favor of it uh As the author of the map you're looking at, u I would say that there are trails that are official trails that are marked with um trail
markers. Um you know, they're marked with luna uh with uh you know, conservation commission trail markers. There's a blue trail that was put in uh a couple years ago that I thought uh I brought before the commission, but um
maybe I didn't. I have to go back and do a minute search. Um, there's some other prior existing trails that don't appear on the map that have uh trail markers because when I first made the map, I thought, well, we don't really need that trail, but then everybody was using it.
So, um, you know, I added the trail markers, uh, you know, to these existing trails, uh, and, uh, you know, so I would advocate, uh, that Tom be allowed, uh,
to a to groom all the trails that have existing, uh, trail markers. The, uh, um, the trail map, I believe, uh, I made it in 2022. Um, I'm working on uh revising it. It
sounds like uh given this uh language I heard tonight about, you know, national natural heritage uh that maybe we need, you know, uh I need to take and come to a commission meeting, you know, and be on the agenda and talk about the whole process. But tonight, I'm just here to
talk about the grooming and I'm strongly in favor. Thank you. >> Thank you, Bob. So, this um map says that it was February 2024, and it appears to me that all the trails that I'm aware of that are
>> map. Can you show the map screen again? Or maybe I'm not looking at the right thing. >> Um it's everybody can still see this on my screen. >> Yeah. Yes. Yeah. >> No, then the wrong thing. I have to take find >> I think I'm looking at participants rather than uh
um I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do to look at the map. >> I think um if you hover over the ZM at the bottom, >> you may see two separate screens and you might be able to click on the other one
>> or you might if you try to minimize the participants. >> Oh, that's a good idea. Let's see. Oh, here we are. >> All right, I'm back on the screen. Um, there's a trail um that uh goes uh that
was put in two two or three years ago. Um that's uh a blue trail. It's marked with blue markers. >> Is it this one right here? >> No. >> No, >> it's in the bottom. >> It's at the bottom. >> It It starts.
>> There you go. No. Go down. Yeah, go down. >> It's right in this area, right? Yes. >> Right in that area. >> Uh that trail's been there for two winters. Um it's marked with blue trail markers. Um
let's see. And that's about it. Uh uh I think all the other trails out there are show on the map, you know, that are currently marked with blue trail markers. So is that one? Is that one, Bob? Over the prior to the snowmobile trail, the
snowmobile bridge. Is that the one you're talking about? You cross over the red. >> It comes off like somewhere right here, right? >> No. Uh, no. If you go down to that kind of that blue elbow that dips down
>> down there. Yeah. And then keep going kind of in a um a north uh east kind of situation. >> Yeah. And then it reconnects into the next red um >> right >> up there. Yeah, that's correct. >> Okay.
>> And yeah, that's uh I believe Bob, that's the one you're talking about. >> It is talking about and I can assure you that it's uh heavily used by all classes of uh conservation trail users. So,
>> okay. Um, I do want to reiterate I I want to agree with Bob that I absolutely think the grooming is a boon for the town. 100% I'm for the grooming. I think it's great that that you're willing to do this, Tom. Um, and I think that is
great for the town and everybody who uses these trails. U Mary, you have your hand raised. >> Yes, I also agree. I think it's a I think it's a big value um to all all of the trail users that the grooming is there. Um I I do think there's some
notable differences between the way this grooming is now being managed and uh the snow rider grooming. Um the snow riders are actually organized and um organized as a u as a not not for-profit
organization with uh uh annual filings with the state, right? as a organization with a structure and with um officers, right? So there is a continuity there and accountability there and and right
now it's I mean it's wonderful that Tom is willing to uh do the grooming but I do feel it's important for accountability purposes that this be uh in my mind be an annual permit to him uh or a permission to him because uh we
don't we don't really have an organizational structure behind him uh with regard to that. I think we could consider I would consider it differently if there was a you know a formed organization with officers and with a continuity plan and with clear
accountability that was making this request but it is a huge value and I I am uh very much in favor of the grooming. I think we need to go by the map, right? Um, and if this is the map that we have, uh, that's the most current map, then I think that's what
we've got to go by. Uh, because I am very concerned about a lot of the unauthorized, um, activity that's been happening out in uh, the forest. And I think we need to have very clear accountability um, and a document that we can go back to if something's
happening that is um, not what we expected or we approved. I think we need to have a document that we can go back to and say it's this map. This trail is either on the map or it's not on the map. Therefore, it was approved or it was not approved. That's my personal opinion. But, um, I do think the
grooming is a big uh a big value ad for the uh all the trail users. Thank you, Madam Chair. >> Thank you, Mary. Uh, Mike, you have your hand up. >> Uh, yes, Madame Chair. Uh I echo uh my fellow colleague uh Mary saying that uh
how important this is and how I heard from Mr. Peas how important it is to have this grooming service uh available to us. Um I like the fact that the map is there. I didn't realize that there
were some trail markers that were not part of this map. And do we have any idea when uh are we discussing the map here? Are we discussing trails that have
uh trail markers or is that a different conversation to have? Um and how difficult would it be to add where the trail markers are to make those as sanctioned trails
for our town? I've had no experience with these creation of these maps. I love them when I go to the trails. Um they're one of the they really blew me away when I first moved to Lunenburgg, but I know nothing about how they're created and and how
they end up there. I don't know how much that costs, but I know there is if we were to update it and add it to the trail system, there would be a cost of each one that was replaced. Um, but I could let either Bob or Mary could definitely better speak to
that. Um, and I think it's ultimately going to be up to the commission whether we want to look at the map as we have the map, which I am in favor of, or if we want to
say, you know, that the the trail that is not on the map would be acceptable to groom because it has trail markers. Um, I'm inclined to stick to the map itself just because it is a
document that we have our eyes on and that is at the trail heads. Um, Mary, you have your hand up. Um yeah, to Mike's uh question, I mean Bob's Moore has been working with uh Monachus Regional um planning on
creation of the maps, but I I there are I was astounded when I walked out there a couple of weekends ago at the number of trails that are out there that I know have not been before the commission and there has not been permission granted by the commission to
go out and put those trails in. Um, and so that's that's why I uh think we really need very much to stick to the map. Um and and I I will say that that the individual that I was talking to uh
about these um about these trails um uh told me a lot of stuff that he he said that Bob gave him permission to do those trails and he said that Bob said that I gave him permission to do those trails and I can tell you I absolutely did not.
Um, I spoke to Bob uh after the fact and Bob said he also did not convey that information, right? And so I think there needs to be very clean and crisp accountability here. >> And I agree. Thank you, Mary.
>> Um, and I just for the record since Bob is here, uh, he can say whether he what I rec related was accurate. >> That sounds accurate. Well, that was a that was a huge misunderstanding then because I wouldn't
have done it out of the blue. Bob and I must have had a others in that group and that conversation that was it wasn't just me. But that's that's in the past and let it be. But >> all the more reason for very clear and
crisp accountability so there are no misunderstandings moving forward in my opinion madam chair. >> 100%. Um, so in the interest of not, you know, spending a ton of time on this tonight, uh, we've spent a lot of time in it in the last meeting. Uh,
>> so what what Okay, so we got that. What about Table Rock, Jen? >> So, as far as Table Rock goes, I am not inclined to have any grooming at Table Rock. Um, that is not up to me, though. We I'm happy to hear from members of the
commission or members of the public on how they live with that. Let me start with members of the commission. Do we have any Mary? You have your hand up. >> Um, Madam Chair, yeah, I think maybe we ought to take each um request uh individually and vote and and uh
deliberate on each property that the request has been made for. >> Yeah. And Mike, you have your hand up. >> Yes, Madam Chair. I was going to um echo what Mary just said. Um and is there a map? There must be a map for Table Rock.
>> I sent Yeah, I sent Jen one. >> Is that all conservation out there >> on in Table Rock off the Christmas tree farm? >> Is that all conservation? >> Table Rock is all conservation, right, Mary? Oh, Bob has
>> I'm hesitant to say without looking at a map that what Tom thinks he's asking about would be what I would be answering about. >> Yeah. Okay, that's fair. Bob, you have your hand up. >> Um, one, uh,
I'd be happy, uh, at some future point. BA basically all all of the trail maps that we have for all conservation lands um in town uh were prepared uh by the monitor's regional planning commission
uh based on information that I sent them and um and I said when I left the commission I'd be happy to continue to work on those and I and that's still the case and in fact I have been working on updating uh this map and uh the table
rock map. There is what there was approved by the commission like three years ago a plan uh to um uh upgrade the trails at Table Rock. Uh it showed a lot of connecting trails. I
um a lot of trails where you have two two trails that uh leave the property and there's no and so if you'd have to like go on the private land and so you know I proposed to make connecting trails to turn the two dead end trails
into a loop. Uh you're probably not aware that many of the trails uh uh on the at on the large town forest and the lane property were like that when we got the property and through the efforts of
volunteers like myself. All of that work has happened here uh to take and make connecting trails. So I I would urge you to take and stick with Mary's suggestion that you take them one at a time um and
decide on uh you know the lane in the large town forest first and then and then and then move on to table rock. >> All right. I um think that's very fair. Thank you, Bob. Okay. So do we have any more comments
from members of the commission on the lane property? Do we have any comments from members of the public? >> Okay. Do we have a motion from a member of the commission? Madam Chair, I would make a motion to permit uh for the next
12 months uh the snow dog grooming on uh the lane and large town um conservation land parcels on red, blue, green, yellow, and orange uh trails. >> Second.
>> Okay. Roll call vote. Um, Madam Chair, may I amend that? >> Uh, those trails that are shown on the trail map. >> Okay. >> Second. >> We have a second. >> All right. Um, roll call vote. Andrea Bernap >> I. >> Mary Wilson.
>> I. >> Mike Larouche. >> I. >> Teddy Ducet. >> I. >> And I for myself. Okay. So Tom, that is permission to groom with the snow dog on the trails on the trail map in the
yellow area for the large town forest and the lane property that are red, yellow, blue, green, and orange. Correct. >> Correct. >> Yes. Okay. Um, do we want to look at the table rock map now or do we want to
>> Sure. >> Stick to the one. All right. Let me pull that up. Okay. Okay. Can everybody see my screen? Let me flip this to a better way of looking at it. Almost there.
And now the thing is in front of it where I'm flipping. One more time. Wait, did I go right by it? Oh, okay. I guess that's probably going to be the best way to look at it, even though it's a little sideways so we can
see the whole thing at once. Um, so we have our trail map. We have our legend right here. And then when you were uh Bob, the m the trails that you were talking about that
don't connect in that you were working on. Well, this is the trail map. >> Do we have any comments from members of the commission regarding this map? I'm not nearly as familiar with Table Rock as I am with
the Lane property. Mike, you have your hand up. >> Are we looking at the trails that are in red, blue, and is there any other color? Yellow, >> green, >> green. >> Yeah. And
>> the colors trails and orange. >> So, yeah, I can see them. And are those the ones we're thinking of grooming? Some some of them Mike um are not groomable just because they're just uh
>> too too rocky and too tight for the groomer to even attempt to to groom it, you know, without beating the machine up. So, >> but the ones that you can groom are either red, blue, green. >> Yeah. Okay, that's fine.
>> There is a a trail mic that off Northfield Road that trail head that there is a two loops, two or three loops in there that are kind of nice to groom. Um, but I'm not I'm not as famili
I'm not as familiar um Mike as um I am with Homeman Street on Table Rock. So, I'm looking at it. Yes, I have a great idea, but I don't know what trails are groomable and what are not. But if you know I was just if I I I just you know
I've been through enough with Homeland Street and I just didn't want to get in trouble doing something that I wasn't supposed to. So that's why I was kind of inquiring on grooming. And another question I had is with uh Jen and Mary about down trees. I
mean, is that something that we're allowed to cut off the trail or do I need to email you and say I'm removing a dead tree off the trail? Um I know some of those trail that ridge trail um
in large town forest, you know, um needs work. I mean, there's rocks that existed rocks on the trail that's, you know, that are just rough on the machine. And I realize it's mountain biking and that's part of it, but some
of it you need a lot of snow in there to groom it just because of the the terrain. >> So, I see Bob has his hand up. Um, Bob, do you have something? >> Two or three years ago, I came to the
commission. I think actually at the time I was a member of the commission and um I proposed um uh improvements to the trails a trail plan. I had proposed a trail plan for
Table Rock which was approved by the entire commission at a meeting. I could find it in the minutes if I had to. Um and um and it did a lot of connecting trails uh where now the trails leave the
property. So, for example, well, first of all, there's a trail at the bottom uh that National Honor Society and all a lot of other people uh have worked on uh that takes uh and goes from the area where the parking lot is proposed up
through the middle of that parcel uh up and and connects right there. Um and you know >> the commission has uh and and and so I mean the commission has
participated in work days uh recruited uh volunteers and everything else uh to to create and improve that trail. Uh but it's not on this map. Um, over on the right side there's trails that lead the
property. I guess that's probably uh the east side where butts up against the Christmas tree farm. You'll see trails that leave the property and they don't connect. And >> uh I came to the and so uh some
volunteers um Gary Lah and some other people came and requested materials uh you know to build a bridge over there so they take and make a connecting trail and the commission voted to approve the materials for the bridge. Um and I
believe I shared with the commission after it was done you know pictures of their uh successful work. And so there's a trail over there that doesn't show on this map, you know, that was uh approved by the commission. Um,
you know, and uh and and then if you look at the top of the map, there's that piece of private property that extends way down. Yeah, that right there. Um, you know, I proposed to take and put a connecting trail so you didn't have to leave. So you can still make use of
those trails, you know, without having to, you know, go across private property. Um, and there's a lot of other trails that are existing, uh, long-standing existing trails that don't show on this map, and they showed on the map, uh, that I took and, uh, you know,
brought to the commission and was approved by the commission, uh, you know, uh, back back whenever. And I believe I sent a copy of that map to Jen and Mary sometime in the last uh month. Um
and uh so um again, I think the trail grooming is a great uh benefit to all users and and I'm not quite sure um why you you would take and vote to restrict uh Table Rock
to trails that are on the map. uh when there's been trails uh that have been and I wasn't intending to update this map until uh we finished um um you know until the trail work was
finished to create all those connecting trails. If you look on the left hand side of the map, uh the west side, you'll see that trail leaves, the blue trail leaves and it goes down. And you see you have to right now you have to go on private property. You have to go on
settller's crossing property uh to continue on. And so uh you know, we want to make a trail that you know connected those two where you stayed on conservation land. And uh that that trail's been roughed out, but it has hasn't been connected. And the same
thing uh where that trailer comes down, it it strays onto there's two lots that are owned by Phil Cala. Um and the trail strays just over the property line and it is. And so, you know, we were going
to move the trail so it's off of Kamea's property, you know, over here. And so, um this is a relatively new property. the trail system is not mature. Um when we first got the lane property, the trail
system at the lane property looked a lot like this. Um and so, you know, we developed a plan uh for the improvement of those trails and uh it was approved by the commission and uh so I just
wanted to say all of that and I'll shut up now. >> Okay. Um, >> we're just pulling something up. >> I thought we had permission there last year, didn't we? But I'm not quite sure. >> Yeah.
>> And I and I thought, Bob, when we put those trails in on Home and Street that we were, my understanding that it was going to be added to that new trail map that you put up. So it was one continuous loop was the whole objective of putting those
>> but let's talking about table rock now please at least from my point of view. >> Yeah. Okay. Well >> so this is what you had sent Bob that I think you're referring to. >> I don't know. >> Oh can you you can't see my screen.
>> Uh I'm looking at the wrong thing obviously. >> I can't see your screen either. It says it's sharing. It hates me. It that is so weird. It is outlined like it's sharing
and it clearly isn't. So, let me unshare and then share again. There it comes. >> Much better. >> All right. All right, Mike, I see that you have your hand up. >> Yes,
>> there you go. >> To that I sent um and I brought to a a conservation commission uh meeting and it was approved at a conservation commission meeting. There's a plan for uh trails at Table Rock.
>> Madame Chair. >> Yes, Mike. Does this map include more trails than the previous map? >> Yes. So, this is the new trail that Bob was talking about that comes off of the parking lot. Um,
and I don't know if that trail would be groomable. I've walked that trail and it's still I don't know. Last time I walked it, it was pretty rough still. I don't know if it would be considered groomable. Um, and so this this is the map that Bob is
referring to. >> Okay. >> Do I see more raised hands, but it's not showing me what they are? Oh, Mary, you have your hand up. >> Yes, Madam Chair. Thank you. Um, yeah, I do recall this dialogue with um with Bob uh at a conservation commission meeting.
Um, so thank you for pulling that up. Uh, one thing that I neglected to bring up in the uh, previous dialogue that I just wanted to say out loud too that permission to groom is exactly
permission to groom. It's not permission to bring uh, extra materials onto like ramps and whatnot onto the property for the purposes of grooming. if if that's required, um the uh Tom would need to come and let us know that that's
required and let us know where he's going to put it in and get permission for that as well. >> My my understanding is that um a ramp or something has been brought into the lane or large town forest uh for the purposes
of grooming. Um and I believe that uh that was brought in without permission. I don't recall permission being granted for that. And and so I want to make certain Tom is clear that uh he has to ask for permission uh for any of those alterations prior to installing them.
>> Did you hear that, Tom? >> Yes. >> I I can go pull them ramps out. There's a tree over that trail that trail. I can I mean, if you give me permission to cut that half tree down crossing that trail, I'll take the the ramps out of there. I mean, I it was just a convenient thing
for what was uh fun for everyone. But if that's a problem, I can go pull them aluminum ramps out and you know, >> or or uh Madame Chair, I could suggest that he bring us a map that shows where
they are and he could ask retroactively for that permission. >> Really? >> Yeah. Do you want to Would you mind doing that, Tom? And take maybe taking some pictures. >> Yeah, I could send you pictures um next time I'm out there.
>> Okay. Mike, you have Oh, were you done? >> There may be snow. Well, I'm not sure. I haven't been out there in a week just because work's been very active with the weather. >> Same. >> Um I've been just crazy busy. So, I haven't had a chance to get out there.
But now what? You didn't answer me about um the trees that have just um far as maintenance, Jen. You know, dead trees that have fall. I know we went over this briefly um last meeting. So,
I mean to move sticks and down limbs and down dead trees. Is that something that I need to notify you on? I mean, do you want me to take a picture and go um there's a 12 in 14inch tree crossing a trail and I need to get it out of you know
>> I need permission to cut >> and she I think she can speak to that better than I can. Um she's a little bit more >> Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Madam Chair. I actually went and looked up the land use regulation. and I have it in front of me. Um, >> thank you. >> And, uh, it's section three, uh,
conservation land and trail stewardship, uh, in that land use regulation or policy that's posted on our Lunenburgg, um, conservation commission website. Right. Section three, uh, the commission encourages thoughtful and responsible help by the public in the maintenance of our conservation lands and our trail
system. Uh 3.11 down trees or limbs and vegetation encroaching. The trails may be removed from existing trails by hand using hand pruners or handsaw. No power tools may be used. No digging or excavation of roots or stumps may occur
for the approval to maintain trails. Further, please contact the conservation administrator. >> Okay. So, it sounds like if you're able to do any of those things by hand, that that would be allowable. if you're looking for permission. Um,
>> so you so that's at hand size that mean if you're looking to use >> a cordless chainsaw is not permitted. >> Well, you it says the next part of that was if you do well if you'd like to use a power tool then come and ask for
permission. It actually says to reach out to the conservation agent. Um, this may be something we'd be willing to talk about now though. Okay. Uh, Mike, you had your hand up. >> Uh, yes, Madam Chair. Uh, I was going to address the the tree that falls over the
trail, and you've been talking about it. Uh, does the hand tool uh also include a battery operated chainsaw? >> That's power. >> That's powered. >> That's power. Even though it's battery.
>> Yes. >> Operated by a battery motor. >> Okay. Thank you for clearing that up. I appreciate it. >> And then Mary, did you have your hand up? >> I just took it down, Madam Chair. I just wanted to uh support you with uh read
from the um land use policy. >> Thank you. Um Bob, you have your hand up. >> Yeah, I did. Um I was when I was on the commission, I was not in favor of this um
restriction on the use of chainsaws. Um, I can tell you that uh chainsaws are routinely used uh by people to clear uh huge trees that fall down across our
trails. Um, I don't think I don't recall anyone uh coming back and uh ask ever asking for permission, you know, to use a chainsaw out there. uh you know, be it, you know, volunteers or snow riders
or anybody else um if every time a big tree fell down across the trail, um and you wanted to use a chainsaw to get it and you had to jump through hoops, um I don't think very many of our trails would still be, uh accessible. Uh that's
my two cents. Thank you. >> Thank you. So, and Mary, my understanding of what how you read that was that they just need to call the conservation agent. They don't actually it didn't say they need to come to a meeting. >> That's correct. >> So, it doesn't sound like they would
have to jump through the hoops, Bob. Um, and you know, I mean, what's there is there and that's the the regulation. Um, but it does it seems pretty reasonable to me to have to just call the
conservation agent. I'm sure that she would, you know, reach out to the commission, but it doesn't sound like somebody would have to come to a meeting. Um, because I do think that there is a slippery slope. If we were to say, "Yep, everybody go out with a chainsaw. It's fine." Then there could
be some questions about what is acceptable, what's not acceptable. Um, so that's my two cents. Do we have any other So, so as far as this map goes, and this is,
you know, a draft map, the trails in here are much different. It doesn't sound like Tom fully knows what's groomable in there. Do we have any Mary, you have your hand up. >> I had a question uh through you, Madam
Chair, to um Bob uh Peas. Uh Bob, are all of these um proposed uh connecting trails installed or are some of them not yet installed? >> Uh very few of them are installed. The
you know the new uh brown trail from uh uh Northfield is is connect is completed. uh the a version of the trail um over by the tree farm on on the right or
east side uh has been uh completed. That's where the bridge was put in. It doesn't exactly look like that connecting trail. It is a connecting trail. I think it actually uh the red trail in the middle uh was the ex you see the blue trail. goes down to the P
goes down to the uh corner there. Um that um that trail was taken and connected over up to uh the yellow trail and that red trail that shows on the map from the blue trail to the property line
uh was eliminated. Um I believe based on what I've been told, I've not gone out and looked at it. And that is the area uh where that bridge was installed. So um that the commission you know approved in advance uh the payment for materials
um so uh but other than that most of the rest of the connecting trails you know I've been working for the last over a year on that trail that goes from Northfield up to Table Rock. Um, it still needs a
little more work and I've been out of commission since uh September because I've been in the hospital four times. Um, and uh, but you know, my commitment and I thought I had permission to take
was to take and work on completing all these connecting trails so we have a viable uh, on the property uh, trail system at Table Rock. Thank you for answering that question, um, Bob. Uh, yeah, and and that's my
understanding as well. And, uh, you know, being a a former commissioner and a great trail steward, I it's really super that you observe the process of getting approval beforehand. And I think that's a great example that everybody ought to follow.
>> 100%. And thank you for all that you do, Bob. % >> this is an example of you you know you came to the commission I think were you on the commission no this one is in April so >> he may have been then as well yeah
>> okay >> oh yeah gosh >> but even even as a sitting commissioner recognize the um requirement to come and get permission before going in installing the trails >> y
>> so as far as um grooming at table Rock, I would love to hear ideas on what commissioners think would be a good way to approach this. >> Madam Chair, is Table Rock the only
other property that the request for grooming has been made on? um >> for for this year Mary here I mean I did submit I'm not sure if I submitted Mus road or not to jen but there was um that's actually a fantastic place to dr
groom because it's more well it's just it's groomable friendly um but that's uh maybe in the years to come I think right now uh home and street and table rock if we could get permission with table rock some of it or
maybe Bob can go over it with you and outline the stuff that's groomer he's probably got a bit a little better idea than myself and then um maybe u work on home and street just to make that canist loop
that we had talked about that there was misunderstanding of the new trails just so it's more flowy and more convenient for hikers and bikers from going one trail to the next to the next and send trying to stay off the snowmobile. It is
I know when you are out there and the snowmobiles are out there and you hear them coming, we get off the trail. That was a whole idea of um putting trails and trying to avoid snowmobiles, I guess, and you know, staying out of their way and we're out
of their way. But the snow bales are very friendly when I run into them at night. And um but if we could eventually get a map Bob and get permission of those new trails just to make it
convenient. >> Mike, you have your hand up. Oh, I thought you were >> Madam Chair. uh might to understand that this map has trails that may or may not be completed and not groomable.
>> Yeah. So, this is the draft. Um it has some trails. So, on the previous map that we were looking at, this brown trail at the bottom, which I'm pointing to it with a pen, which probably isn't very helpful for you. >> Um this this one right here is that is
new. That's not on the previous mount. Um, this is not on the >> groomable. Is it? >> I I believe it is, Mike. My opinion on Okay. >> being on the groomer for the last two couple years and um I I do believe that
is groomable. So, are we here tonight to uh approve the latest map that is groomable for this uh Table Rock site versus using the old one that doesn't have all the trails that are on it?
>> Is that what we're talking about? >> That is the question before us right now. >> Okay. Um, it is going to be up to the commission to decide how to move forward. And I would love to hear >> I'm just one member here and I would uh
like new maps as they get done or get trails that get completed, maps are redone so we can approve those. So, if this is the latest for Table Rock, I'm willing to
vote on this one if other commissioners see that might be a good thing to do to help Tom uh go through and and groom this important site for people who walk
and uh hike and snowshoe. uh um not being a snowblower, not even being in Lunenburgg during the snow time, I I certainly want people to get outside as much as possible. So, I'm
certainly encouraging people to do that. And if our trails are groomed to invite people to do so, I'm willing to uh vote on that. And uh but once again, I'm just one commissioner. >> Thank you. And I also want to thank And
I also want to thank Bob for doing all the work that he's done for years on these trails and he deserves kudos in my book for all the work he's done. And uh if this um helps him realize some of the
work that he's done, I I certainly want to uh be willing to vote for that today. >> Thank you, Mike. And I want to echo that. Bob is an invaluable member of the Lunenburgg community.
Okay. So, do we have any other um comments? Uh do we does anyone want to agree with Mike, disagree with Mike? Um look at this map
or stick to a previous map. Do we have any motions? I knew >> I'll present the mo I'll present the motion to approve this map since it's the latest and it's groomable
and until we get uh a newer map I think it would be something that uh the commission should consider to approve as these are sanctioned trails as far uh as
we know on this app. >> Um, okay. So, it sounds like a motion to approve any trail that is on this map and is groomable without adding anything um into the landscape. Is that fair, Mike?
>> Yeah. >> Okay. M madam chair, I would be willing to um second that motion with the caveat that this map shows gray trails that are on private land and it's not that's not our jurisdiction to grant. Um but the uh
yellow, orange, red, blue, and green um on the green background of uh Lunberg conservation land, that is our jurisdiction to grant. And so I would be willing to uh second the motion with that caveat. Mike, you're the original
motion. Um, presenter, would you I go along I accept that. I was really looking at the colored trails and not considering the other ones. Uh, but including that brown trail >> to get through. >> Yes. And the brown >> that's in the yellow
>> sounds great to me. >> Outline of the Okay. So that sounds like you Mike has the motion, Mary has the second, Mike and Mary has added a little bit to that motion and we're in agreement. So do we can I
go for a roll call vote or should we make Mike redo the motion? >> I think you can go for a roll call vote. >> Okay, roll call vote. Mary Wilson >> I. >> Mike Larouche >> I. >> Uh Teddy Dette
>> I. Andrea Bernap. >> Hi. >> And an I for myself. Um, thank you so much, Tom, for grooming. We I want you to know we really do appreciate all of the work that you do and all of the trail work that you have done is an
astounding amount of work. We just I just want to make sure that from now from now on we're working together to make sure that they're done properly. Um, but we really do appreciate everything that you're doing for the town. And then next year, let's start talking about this stuff a little bit earlier.
Um, and that way and maybe we won't have to take up so much time in the meetings. So, we'll try to get to it maybe before December. >> That that trail um that trail Jen that Bob was talking about that goes over the
that existing trail that as far as I've been riding in Lonbury for seven to 10 years. The trail's always been there. I don't think it's approved. Could you go back to the Holman Street to the the other map or is that a huge inconvenience?
>> So the Homeman Street map is um >> just the one that >> well we've already voted on this so we can't >> All right. So >> go back but if it's not on the map >> then on this and it for this year it
just can't be grimmed. Um, but we're definitely next year, you know, we'll have there is there's so much in that property that is such a huge property that I think that whatever you can get to on that property, people will be very happy with.
And it's I again, we appreciate all your efforts so much. >> All right. So, do you um are you good with everything we've gone over tonight, Tom? >> Yeah, I'm fine. >> Okay. Thank you so much. >> Okay. Have a great night. >> All right. Have a great night.
>> Yes. >> Bye. >> Bye. >> Okay. All right. So, this feels weird to be going to um public comments at 809, but uh up next we have public comment.
Comments are be limited to three minutes and on a subject matter under the direct jurisdiction of the commission. Comments about current agenda items are to be made during the comment period of specific agenda item. Please address all comments to the chair. Do we have any members of the public on for a public
comment with a public comment? Does not appear that we do. Um minutes of the 127 2025 meeting. Have we all had a chance to look at them? Should I take silence as a yes or a no?
>> Yes. >> Madam chair, I would make a motion to approve uh the minutes from the 127 meeting. >> Thank you, Mary. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Thank you, Teddy. Okay, roll call vote. Andrea Bernat,
>> I. Mary Wilson >> I >> Mike Larouche >> I >> Teddy Ducet >> I >> and I for myself. Okay. Meetings from 1220 1217 20225 have been approved. Um
up next we have new public hearings. Uh pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 as amended in the town of Lindenburgg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws. a public hearing on a notice of intent by James um Lilligran for a project that involves the upgrade of a
failing sewage disposal system at 33 Gibson Street. Uh I hope I did not butcher your name. Um I do see that it looks like we have the applicant on the call. Do we also have uh a representative or will you be here speaking for yourself?
>> Yes, I am here representing Jim Wiligrin. Yes. >> Okay. All right. Um, would you do you have anything you would like to go over? >> Sure. Um, should I share my screen or do you want to put that up? >> Yep, you can share your screen.
>> Okay. >> I love when people share their screens >> and you should have you should be able to do it. I you have permission. >> Okay, looks like it's working. >> Excellent. Um, well, as an introduction, my name is Dan Wolf. home with David
Ross Associates and representing the owners of the property at 33 Gibson Street. Uh this is the site of an existing single family home and it has been discovered that there is a failing septic system here. Uh as you're looking
at the plan there, the septic system, the leeching area itself is just to the right of the existing home um clouded out here um between the house and the shed. It's between maybe 40 and 50 feet away from
the wetland area itself. The wetlands are off to the east um eastern side of the property and there's also wetlands to the north on the other side of Gibson Street. Those two wetland areas create
um a large portion of the property that is um within the 100t buffer zone. The buffer zone is delineated by this dark dashed line here. We're also dealing with an existing well that's in the front yard and board of health
regulations require that we stay at least 100 ft away from that well which is represented by the the 100 foot diameter I'm sorry the 100 foot radius circle around the well. So what it came down to was there's just
a small triangular area in the backyard that is available outside of the buffer zone as well as outside of the well radius. And that is a steep slope right there. And that is what resulted in us placing
the septic system in the backyard as far away as possible from the wetlands itself. Um, we were also constrained by the fact that the sewer line comes out under the basement floor heading toward the wetlands itself. And we've captured that
sewer line with a new septic tank and pump chamber that will then pump the effluent off and away from the wetland area to that location of the leeching area itself. Um, so as you can see, we've got very
tight constraints on this property and we've done our best to keep everything as far away as possible. We do not propose any work within the 30foot no disturb zone. Um and all activities that
are proposed on the property will be um enveloped by a um uh filter sock that you can see here with another do a bold dashed line that really comes from the end of the driveway and encompasses all
of the disturbed areas that are proposed. This is a fairly flat backyard. It is all lawn. So, it is a previously disturbed area and the end result will be the septic system will also fit in
nicely with the grades of the yard. This is not a mounted system. We're not creating any steep grades from the the system that would possibly cause erosion. And um the other thing I also wanted to mention, I didn't want you to think that
I'm I'm not being upfront. This is also um a perennial stream that runs down and joins with Easter brook. Um that stream as well as Easterbrook itself, which is
across the other side of the street, puts the entire lot within the riverfront zone as well. So, we've really got all of the factors going on here. and and I'm I'm very happy with the way it came out from the standpoint that we did our best to keep everything
away from the resource areas as much as possible. So, if I could answer any of your questions, I'd be happy to. >> Thank you. Um, do we have any questions from members of the commission? >> Uh, Mary, you have your hand up.
>> Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh, I don't have any questions. I do have comments. Um it seems like very straightforward um resolution um to you know a very real problem right of replacing a failed uh septic system. The drawings seem to
match um you know the site conditions when we went out there and walked this weekend. Um so I don't I don't have any questions. It seems fairly straightforward to me. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mary. And I agree with that. Um, you know, it you did it looks like
the the best with what you had. Um, and it seems very straightforward to me. Do we have any other questions from members of the commission? Do we have any questions from members of the public? >> Okay. Do we have uh any motions?
>> Madam Chair, excuse me. I'm still trying to eat dinner. Um but uh yeah, I would I would make a motion to um approve the um >> approve the um plan as proposed. Um I guess one thing I haven't looked at
is do we have uh D a D file number yet? >> Yes, we do. >> Okay. And were there any D comments? I don't think I recall it. >> There were no comments. No. Okay. So, thank you for that quick clarification.
Um, yeah, I would make a motion to approve this as presented. >> I second. >> Do I? >> All right. Um, roll call vote. Mike Larouche. >> I. >> Mary Wilson. >> I.
>> Andrea Bernat. >> I. >> Teddy Det. >> I. >> And I for myself. Uh motion is approved with the plan as drawn. >> Great. Well, thank you very much. You've made that easy. I appreciate it.
>> Thanks. Thanks so much. Have a great night. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Bye. Bye. >> Bye. >> Bye. >> Okay. Um, >> Madam Chair, if I could just add, >> I I think the presenter of the project
uh engineer made it easy for us to do it by doing the due diligence and making it really clear. >> Yeah. Yes. Thank you for that. We love that. >> Thank you. >> Thank you for saying that, Mary. I appreciate that very much. >> All right. Um, up next Okay. Oh, sorry.
Up next, we have a new public hearing at 58 Spring Street. Um, pursuant to MGL chapter 131, section 40 is amended in the town of Lunenburgg Protection and Municipal bylaws, a public hearing on a notice of intent by D. Dubbie
Construction LLC, Daniel Dubie, for a for a project that involves the demolition of a patio to pour a concrete foundation, construct a screen porch, and the extension of a deck. they have requested to um continue to the next meeting which is I thought about it in
my head and then I forgot what it was. So um that is January 21st 2026. Um so do we have a motion to continue >> as requested? >> Second. >> Have a second. >> Okay. Um
>> second. >> Oh Teddy already seconded. All right, we have a >> Okay, >> so there's a little glitch in the audio >> in the matrix. Yeah, you you were a little behind there. Um your computer,
it was like you talked and then your mouth moved. Um all right, roll call vote. Andrea Bernab, >> I. >> Mary Wilson, >> hi. Mike Larouche >> I >> Teddy Ducet
>> I >> and I for myself. All right, your talked and your mouth moved at the same time there that time Mike. Okay, so up next we have continued public hearings. Um all hearing pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 as amended in the town of
Lunenburgg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws. Uh continued public hearing at 480 MPUS road. Public hearing on a request for determination of applicability by Kenneth McNamera for a project that involves construction of a shed approximately it says approximately
75 to 100 ft from the edge of the stream. It is now 112 ft from the edge of the stream. The shed will be set on a concrete block that are 8 by 8 by 4. Um do we have the applicant on the call? It doesn't look like we do. He did um
upload a new plan showing the uh project area. I will pull that up. Um for any mus and we share.
Can everybody see my screen? Is that a yes? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Yes, it took us. >> Okay. >> Um, so it looks like they're looking to put it here. There's a little picture here, but the
line is showing 112 ft here. Um, we don't have the applicant here, but we can still um talk about the plan if anybody has any questions or comments.
>> Madam Chair, was this the last remaining um >> action item? >> Yep. So, Herlin went out and helped him plot this out. Um I do have the notes here from Herin. Uh give me one second. I
have too many papers behind me. I have the notes. They're in my hand. Okay, this is Oh, they might be from notes from I think we have notes in the here too.
No, actually no, it is here. 40. Okay. Site visit performed on 12:15. Determine location of shed. Current location of proposed shed sits within with 80 feet of intermittent stream. We agreed to a different location about 112 feet from the stream 12 feet out of the
buffer zone. Um although technically is it 12 ft out of the buffer? It's out of a buffer zone. Um the applicant agreed and we staked out the location recommended special conditions installer version controls downs slope prior to construction. No
stockpiling of materials within 50 ft of the intermittent stream. Any excavated soil shall be removed from the buffer zone the same day. All disturbed areas shall be stabilized immediately following construction. The shed shall remain an unheated accessory structure with no plumbing or utilities without
further review. No vegetation clearing beyond the work area is permitted and a pre-construction erosion control inspection by the conservation agent is required. Do we have any questions about any of those comments or conditions?
>> No questions for me, Madam Chair. I'd be ready to move forward um when you are >> okay. Um do we have a motion? motion um to approve the plan as um as presented uh with a uh clarification
here uh that you're showing and uh with the uh conditions as recommended by the conservation commission administrator. >> Um >> All right. Uh roll call vote. Mike LaRouche >> I. >> Mary Wilson
>> I. >> Andrea Bernap >> I. Petty Ducet >> I >> and I for myself. Um so that is approved. I will let Herlin know. >> All right. Thank you. All right. So up
next, go back to my other notes. My other Where did it go? this one. Okay. Too much stuff. We have a continued public hearing for
um pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 as amended in the town of Lunenberg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws. A continued public hearing at 30 Summer Street on a notice of intent by Safe Store Real Estate Co. LLC for a project that includes flood plane fill
and associated compensatory flood plane compensation. Um we were notified by the engineer today that they would like an extension to the next meeting which is I already forgot the date. Um >> 21st 21st. Yes. Thank you. Um which is
January 21st, 2026. Do I have a motion to continue? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Uh roll call vote. Andrea Bernout. I >> Mary Wilson. Hi. Mike Clarouche
>> I >> Teddy Ducet >> I >> and I for myself continue to the next meeting. Um up next we have another continued public hearing uh pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 as amended in
the town of Lunenberg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws. uh public hearing on a notice of intent at 763 Northfield Road by the town of Lunberg DPW for the replacement of the deteriorated culvert at the public at Northfield Road crossing over Mulpus
Brook. Um do we have the applicant on the call? It looks like we do. Oh, I think you might be It doesn't say you're muted, but you're talking and I'm not hearing anything. >> There we go. I think I heard something.
>> Got it now. Yes, there you are. >> Sorry about that. Matt Lunstead, comprehensive environmental for the uh Department of Public Works. Um we uploaded revised plans
uh that were discussed, changes that were discussed last meeting um have been made to two of the sheets. Um, did did anyone have questions on those or should I share real quick? >> It would be great if you could share
them. >> So, this can everyone see that? >> We can or I can. We shouldn't talk to everybody else.
This is uh revised sheet C2A. If you recall, the the um the buffer zone offsets were not shown correctly. I I'm hoping they are now.
And if you recall, this was also where we added the limiter work um to this sheet. uh because of the nature of the wetlands obviously on both sides we're pretty much within everything um un in you know
previously disturbed area >> so if there were oh sorry >> no you you please keep talking >> okay uh if everyone's okay I'll go to the other sheet >> okay does anyone have any questions on this before he moves to the next sheet.
>> Madam Chair, no question, but um just a comment. It does look a lot more um relevant. I mean, it it I don't it seems like all the concerns that I had had about the uh buffer zones being cut right through the middle of a wetland
have been resolved. >> I agree. >> All right. Does anyone else have any questions be before we go on to the next >> plan drawing? Okay. Yeah. Let's move on to the next
one, please. >> Excellent. I'm going to note I'm a little jealous of Mike's background. >> We all >> I wish we were all in that kind of the weather. >> It's inspiring though, so thank you.
>> Yeah. >> Um here's the other sheet. W1A and this the edits on this sheet were uh from the comments from DP about um energy dissipation at any of our
outlets. So we did two things. We amended the leader. Uh this was our temporary dewatering if we need it um from well points uh to do the work in the dry behind the
coffer dams. Uh and this is the bypass um system hopefully a gravity um uh siphon system. And we did add to the general notes. I can zoom in. Um, I
think I captured everything we talked about um at the last meeting in these adding the general notes so that we're covered for any um any discharges
the the contractor may have to make. >> Looks like everything that we talked about Um, so that was that those were the changes. Oh, sorry. Go ahead.
>> Say Mary has her hand up. >> Uh, as I recall, there was a uh replication area um proposed and and that's not jumping out to me where that is. So, was there a replication area proposed?
We zoom in. That's right here. This is on the other sheet. Back to 2A. >> Okay. What? And what are the dimensions of that? Is that unchanged? >> That is unchanged. I'm not sure we'd put
in Yeah, about 30 square feet. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mary. So, the last piece of what we uploaded um basically memorialized the discussion we had about DP's
comments um last meeting and I actually attached the um the right of entry we sent to the butter uh so that D could see that and that's uploaded on their system. Uh I've
not heard anything back. We don't usually I think they leave it up to you guys if if you're satisfied. Um and the last piece is Bill has not received a signed form as of this
morning. >> Okay. I'm not really sure the uh Oh, sorry. Were you gonna say and that's every that's everything I had unless there are any other questions. Um, I'm not sure how we would move forward without
permission from the property owner. Does anyone have any thoughts on that, >> Madam Chair? >> Yep. >> We cannot grant permission um to do work or to provide access um on an adjacent
piece of property. And since this project proposal actually has has those conditions on it, I don't think we can approve it without without getting that um permission. I I for one don't have any other concerns about the project as
proposed except for that missing um you know a butter per you know access permission. >> Nor do I. Um, have we is it just the certified mail that has gone out as far as you know? >> So, they were notified as an abuter and
obviously haven't attended. Um, and we also sent that certified mail just the right of entry form. Um, we Bill Bill would like us if if that's the last thing we need, he'd like us to mail
another one. Um this is a little bit unusual for us. Um normally the butter's there and we can knock on their door and you know point and say we're going to do work right there to fix the covert and and you know regrade and still a head
wall. Um we're there in a different town. Um, obviously I it's up to Bill, I guess, if he wants us to go knocking on on doors. It's a little unconventional, but I think if
you're amendable, um, and you're okay with continuing and this is the only outstanding item, we'll we'll mail another set and and get with Bill about if if mailing doesn't work, you know,
what what next steps are. >> Okay. >> Is that okay? >> Um, yeah. I mean, that would be okay with me. I'm not I can't speak for the entire commission. Also, I'll see Bob I mean Bill tomorrow night. Maybe I can see what he thinks too while I'm with him. Mayor, you have your hand up.
>> Madam Chair, I would be I would be immunable to that. I I would just um you know as a a best practice to say out loud is that uh you know I don't think it from my perspective anyway. U just speaking as one commissioner, it wouldn't make sense to um
to hold hearings on this until that extra piece of documentation comes in. Um and and so for that purpose, I think it would be important while that documentation is still pending for the engineer or bill to notify us um you
know 24 hours or 48 hours or or whatever your mandate is on uh making certain that you know for asking for an additional continuence so that we can minimize the amount of extra time we have and holding this on the agendas open.
>> Thank you. We can do that. just just my recommendations. >> Thank you, Mary. >> That works for us. >> Okay. So, I just want to be clear that I understand what you're saying, Mary. Are you saying that we should not have it on
the agenda until they ask us to put it back on the agenda? >> Uh, no, Madam Chair. I think it needs to be on the agenda for tracking um >> purposes to continue it. Yeah, just let us know to continue it because um we really need to have be continuing
only under their per, you know, their consent. >> Yes. Okay. Um absolutely. Okay. So, it sounds like I'd be looking for a motion to continue to our next meeting, which is January 21st, 2026.
>> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> All right. Roll call. Was that Mike with the second? I think so. I think I >> All right. Roll call vote. Mike Larouche. >> I. >> Mary Wilson.
>> Hi. >> Andrea Bernard. >> I. >> Teddy Ducet. >> Hi. >> And I for myself. Okay. Hopefully we will see you at the next meeting with permission, but if not, just let us know. >> Fingers crossed. >> Fingers crossed. Thank you so much.
>> Have a good night everyone. Thank you. >> You too. Good night, Matt. Okay, up next um continue public hearing pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 as amended in the town of Lindenburgg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws. Um
uh it's on the next page. A public hearing on a notice of intent by Steve Bean for a project that involves the demolition of an existing cottage and construction replacement house and deck on the property at 27 Fire Road 15A. The applicant has requested to continue to
the January 21st meeting. Do I have a motion to continue? >> So moved. >> Do I have a second? >> Second. >> All right. Uh as Mary with the motion and Teddy with the second roll call vote. Andrea Bernett >> I.
>> Mary Wilson >> I. >> Mike Larouche >> I. >> Okay. Oh, you were glitching again. Um, Teddy Ducet, >> I >> and I for myself. Okay. Um, moving on to administrative
determinations. Um, up first we have 833 Flatill Road. Um, and that is a administrative determination. Um, they the last steps I have for this were site visit requested in January. They wanted to continue
until today. Do we have the applicant on the call? Does not look like we do. Okay. Um, up next we have 8 Iris Court, CAD25-22. Um, and it looks like we have the
applicants on the call. Can you state your name and your address for us? It's Ed Wexner, 8 Iris Court, Lunenberg, Mass. >> and Diane Wexner, 8 Iris Court, Lunenburgg. >> Thank you so much. Um, I'm going to
start out by reading our administrator's notes, our agents notes. Um, so it said, "The tree appears to exhibit decline, including upper crown dieback and structural concerns. The white pine exhibits signs of decline and is positioned such that failure could pose
risk to the residents. Um, plant two native trees, uh, for example, white pine, red maple, or black gum elsewhere on the lot within 20 feet of the existing tree line, or plant a cluster of native shrubs, minimum four to six to maintain buffer integrity. All work must
occur with equipment operating from upland avoiding disturbance to the 30 and 50 foot buffer zones to the maximum extent feasible. Stump rem stump may remain in place to maintain soil stability unless grinding is necessary. applicant must notify the conservation
office 48 hours prior to removal. Um, does that all sound right to you? Do you have anything that you would like to add to that or anything that you'd like to share with us? >> It's just regarding the planting of trees. Um, we've got a uh a pretty heavy
um um >> canopy uh through the backyard. In fact, I've got a slide and uh that I would like to share if I could. >> Absolutely. >> Showing the canopy. >> Can I go ahead and hit share? >> Yep, please do.
>> Oh, where's my slide? I'm sorry. Let me get to the right slide. Here it is. Here. So, you can see the canopy area here. It's quite large. We've got many, many pine trees of I mean, we're talking 60 and 90 foot pine
trees um on uh throughout this canopy here. The u m majority of them are on on each side of the property. And uh we also have a uh a small pine tree that we planted.
Oh, I would say, let me get to the right picture. Oh, I don't have that picture. About it's 10 feet tall. Um and it we planted it about seven years ago and we thought maybe that might take the place of taking this pine tree down.
Again, we have a huge canopy of trees in the back. We've probably got about 14 or 15 pine trees that are 60 to 90 feet tall and u I'm not sure there's quite a need to plant another tree. So I'm just
questioning whether we need to do that. >> Madam it's it's one tree that you're take looking to remove. >> Well this this is the tree right here. You can see it. And then if you notice in in back of it, it's between this tree and the lake,
there's a um multi- stem maple. And you can see that the main trunk of that is dead. The top broke off a couple of years ago. This whole thing is dead. And there's a few more branches in here that we'd also like to clean out while we're taking this tree out.
>> I want to make sure I'm looking at the right picture. Is it the one that says 9:19 a.m. on it? 9 >> 917. >> Okay. So, I think I think you have the wrong picture on the screen. U Mayor, you have your hand up. Oh, actually >> I was going to say exactly the same
thing. I'm I'm I'm not I'm just seeing the 919 a.m. slide. I didn't see any movement of slides or anything. >> When you want it, you can what you can do is unless you know how to use Zoom, um you can unshare and then reshare. And then Mike, do you had did you say
something? Yeah, I was having a similar issue. I couldn't see the tree in question. >> Okay. >> All of these look like healthy trees. Yeah. Which is I'm sure what he meant.
>> Well, let me let me bring up the tree map. We put a map together here showing the locations of the trees on the property. This is the tree that we're asking to take down. It's 47 feet from the home and it's >> 90 I'm not seeing that yet, Madam Chair.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You're still You're still not seeing this? >> Yeah, we're still on the 919 a.m. >> I'm wondering why I'm not sharing then. >> H >> You're sharing, but it's the it's a it's a it's a picture with a a lot of trees
in it. Um and it says 9:19 a.m. I'm Would you like me to share? And why don't you do that? You >> could. All right. All right. Let me
share. I'm thinking that. Is this the one that you were trying to show us? >> No, I'm not. >> We don't see this. >> Maybe unshare yours. Oh my goodness. >> And then
>> sorry about this. >> Yeah, no worries. >> Um, if you minimize all of our faces, sometimes that'll make my screen >> pop up on your screen. But it's a picture and it has a very tall
say maple tree. >> I'm not an expert, especially on trees that don't that I can't tell what kind of leaves they have. It looks like a pine. >> Pine. Okay. >> Pine. Yeah. >> Someday. >> Well, I'm sorry. I totally lost everything now.
>> Oh my god. >> So, are you seeing at the bottom of your screen a little icon that says ZM? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, if you click on that or if you hover over it, you might see some screens pop up.
And one of them might have like our faces or a blank screen and the other one might have my screen. Or even you could just try clicking on that and seeing if it brings anything up for you. >> Well, we could see some of your faces, but we can't see the shot of the tree.
>> Okay. So, if you if you can where you can see our faces, do you see how there is a just a dash and if you hover over it, it says hide thumbnail video. >> Oh, all right.
>> Oh, yep. >> We're back to the original picture that you couldn't see, but we could see. >> Yeah, but now I think you're looking at my screen. Do you see me moving the mouse? >> No. No, we're kind of we're only looking
at my unfortunately my screen. >> Is anything chair? >> Why don't you change? Yeah, you just did change for a second. >> Can you see the screen changing now? >> Yes. >> Okay, then you're looking at my screen.
>> So, this is I'm sharing that picture now that you were trying to share. >> I hope. Did you see it get bigger? >> No. >> Oh, I'm so sorry. This is >> this is terrible. Sorry about this. >> We're just kind of inept at some of this stuff. So,
>> not a problem at all. Um, >> so >> so there's a there's a multi- there's a multi- stem maple that's behind the tree that the big pine tree that we want to have cut taken down. >> Yep. >> And and within that multi- stem, there
are several uh trunks that are one that's completely dead. It broke in half a couple years ago and then the rest of it still in the clump, but it's dead. There's another branch or two in there that need to be trimmed out as well. So, we'd like to we'd like to trim those get
that trimmed as well at the same time. >> Okay. So, and that is the scope of the work is the tree, the the very tall tree that's in the picture that says 917 on it. And then also
um trimming of the multi-semb tree that's behind it. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And just trimming on the multi-semb tree. >> Well, we're going to remove we're going to we're going to have to cut down the trunk of the the dead trunk on that tree
and then do some pruning on the rest of the uh uh the rest of the stems that are there where the dead where the dead uh branches are. >> Okay. I'm just um kind of going through some of the pictures that have been
shared. >> Madam Chair, there is actually a site diagram with um uh tree placement in the uploaded files. >> That's what I was trying to show you. Yeah, it just looks like when you start
out it's um it just looks like a a bunch of photos, but then there's an aerial photo and then there's actually a site map with um kind of a site plan of where the existing trees. Yeah, there we go. >> See that now? Do you see the site plan?
>> Yes. >> Okay. Yes. So that >> so that multi- stem, if you can um if you can see where the the the red dot is where the big map uh the big pine tree is, right behind it is a the multi- stem
maple and that's where we want to do some trimming and cut down the the dead trunk on that. >> Okay. >> And then and then when Hurland was outlining the site inspection, there's also another white pine. It's a
60 foot white pine. It's 13 in in diameter. It's showing the same deterioration. Um, and she's got a picture of it in her site uh visit plan. It's the She's got like seven pictures in there. It's It's
the fifth picture. If you pull that up, you can see the yellowing of the pine needles, a lot of dead branches in the middle of the tree, and then the bark is splitting. And that's about 22 feet from the house. So, it also could pose another danger to the property, to the
house. We'd like to take that down as well while we're going to do the other pine tree. >> Okay. Um, do Mary, you have your hand up. >> Uh, yes. Thank you, Madam Chair. With regard to the multi- stem maples that
need to be trimmed, um how many how many of those uh trunks uh need to come out that are damaged? >> Are are you taking all of those multi- stem maples out? Are you going to leave like, you know, four of the stems or
>> some? I mean, if you because we got to do some heavy removing of a couple of those trunks. I mean, if you tell me we could take them all out, I would take them all out. If not, then I would I would take the two out that are the one that's the two that are dead.
>> Uh, thank you. No, I I wasn't um uh proposing to grant one way or the other. I just wanted clarity on what you were asking. Um Okay. And looking at the diagram, that that wasn't exactly clear to me. Uh, but it sounds like there are two two that are damaged and so you want
to take out two of those um trunks, if you will, out of that multi- stem maple that's shown there. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. >> Thank you, Mary. And then and then while while we're on this map, uh uh if you look um straight
up from the red dot, the tree that we're taking out, the the white pine, you'll see a white pine 10t um with a with a diameter that should be 6 in, not six feet. That's the white pine I was telling you that we planted several years ago that we thought would be a
replacement for the one that we're taking down. >> Okay. And that tree is doing well. >> That tree is doing well. Yes. Um, do we have any other questions from members of the commission?
So, the white pine that is 60 ft with a 13-inch diameter, uh, is that the one that's kind of straight out from the corner >> Yes. >> of the house? >> Yes. >> And you're looking to take that one down also?
>> Yes. Okay, it looks like you have a note up in the corner. There are existing smaller trees that will grow to replace the white pine to be removed. Um, okay. Do we have any other questions for
members of the commission? >> No, you don't have any other >> No, I don't have any questions. No. >> Okay. Do any of the commission members have any other have any questions? >> No, Madame Chair.
>> Um, do we have any motions one way or the other? >> Madam Chair, I don't I don't have a motion and I don't have a question. I I kind of have a a comment. Um, yeah. So, It it would be even better if Right. And
and a lot of times we have to work in non ideal kind of um situations. Uh it would be even better if the two white pines that were going to be removed, the drawing was updated to add clarity there and and there was some clarity added
about removing the two stems uh specifically out of the multi- stem maple. Um, I wouldn't have concerns uh if those updates were done. Uh, but I again I just like I'm an engineer. I like things to be in drawing so there's
no ambiguity and it minimizes the opportunity for misunderstandings. >> Okay. Um, agreed. So, >> well, I have a comment though. I I would I would think with the uh with the map location here that isn't that basically
telling you what you're asking? Um, so the map location has uh first off, it's a really good diagram and I love really good diagrams. I'm passionate about those. Uh, the only thing that's unclear or ambiguous in my mind is actual treework that's being
proposed. Um, so usually red means something's coming out, right? And so we see that with the original proposed um, white pine that you want to remove. Um but the all the other ones are green including the 60 ft
um DBH 13inch one and the multi- stem maples are that I think the ones there two sets of multi- stem maples there and they're all shown in green too and and so I think it would make it crystal clear if the white pine 60 ft DBH 13 in
was also red and then the multi- stem maples either had some red attached to them or a note that two trunks were proposed just to be removed. >> So, what you're suggesting is I resubmit this map again and just put a red dot where the green dots are and that would
that would suffice. It >> it would for me, but um I'm also uh I'm only one voice uh and uh I sometimes I'm more conservative than my colleagues um and sometimes my colleagues are more conservative than me. So, I think to be fair, we should let them say their
concerns. They may be less concerned about this than me. >> Well, if I could uh just comment, these were suggestions, too, that Herurlland made to us when when she came out when she noticed these trees, and that was a comment that she made to us.
>> I And I think Hurland has excellent advice um and would have no problem with you guys wanting to follow it. I just think the thing that we approve should be unambiguous. >> Um I do agree with that. Um would we be
would what would you think Mary about submitting an updated plan to Her Lynn? Are we doing like a conditional approval? Not a conditional approval, but approving based with the condition that the plan be updated. So,
prior to work. Yeah, >> sure. >> Okay, >> that seems reasonable. >> And that way you wouldn't have to come back. You could just update it and then Herlin could look at it and, you know, give her approval there. And then that would be a good compromise, I
think. >> So, just to be clear, so I I'm not doing something that I'm not supposed to be doing. put the red dots where the red dots need to be. Um, and then and then what you >> a note saying what
>> for the maple I would say just a note pointing to it saying you know what exactly it is you want to do. If you want to remove those two trunks that are having an issue, just say two trunks to be removed. Put them in red and then a red dot on the white pine instead of a
green dot. And then just before you do the work, have her just give her approval on it. And that way you don't have to come back to a meeting and I will let I can help I could if the commission agrees to it, I can let
Herlin know that that's something to be expecting. >> So can I go in the original submittal that I made and make the changes in the map and put the comments in there then? >> Absolutely. Or you can download it, change it, re-upload it. Okay.
>> And then we just need to talk to Herurlin. >> Send it to >> Her Yeah. So when you upload it, she'll know. She'll get a notification that it's been uploaded >> and I'll let her know to look for it. >> Okay. >> Okay.
>> Okay. I understand. >> Okay. So, we actually have to make sure the rest of the commission agrees that that would be um a good path forward. Uh, do we have any motions? >> Um, Madame Chair, as long as nobody has
a concern, I would be willing to make a motion to approve uh the removal of the White Pine 60in DBH13 as shown on the drawing. Uh, the White Pine NT 2.6 uh ft DBH.
um two trunks from the multistem maples uh 50 foot average DBH 11 in is shown on the drawing directly um to the right of the 90 ft white pine uh with the conditional uh condition that the
applicants actually update the drawing to reflect uh what I just said. Um yeah, I would be willing to make that motion uh without and so I'm not making um a proposal that they do any replication or replace planning.
>> Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Okay, I'm gonna take Teddy on that one. Um okay, so roll call vote. Mike LaRouche >> I. >> Mary Wilson >> I. Andrea Bernup.
>> Hi. >> Teddy Ducet. >> Hi. >> And I for myself. So that would just be update the plan, re-upload it. Um I'll let Herlin know that that's going to happen. And then we're not recommending any replacement plantings either. So it
should be a pretty easy path forward. >> And she'll contact us after she reviews it. >> Yeah. She'll probably put notes. It sounds like you get the emails from the portal. So, um, she'll put notes in with what the next steps are. >> Okay.
>> Well, thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Have a great night. >> You, too. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh, let me go through my notes here. >> Up next, um,
an administrative determination at 41. Yeah, I got screwed up on the camera >> at 41 Hilltop Lane. Um, do we have the
applicant at on the call for 41 Hilltop Lane? All right. It does not appear that we do. Um so I will move on from that one. Uh
we don't have any >> Madam Chair, may I ask a question? Um do uh >> notes >> do the um yeah, do do the applicants have to attend uh for administrative determinations? >> That is true. Um I do have notes for
this. So let me go over them. Um, four trees were observed to be dead, exhibiting extensive branch dieback and lack of live foliage. The trees appear structurally compromised and no longer viable. Due to their location and condition, these trees poses potential risk to fail of failure. With the
likelihood of falling toward nearby structures and causing property damage, tree removal shall be limited to the four dead trees identified during the site visit. Stumps shall remain in place and shall not be ground or excavated. All work shall be conducted using best management practices to minimize
disturbance to surrounding soils and vegetation. No equipment staging, stockpiling, or debris disposal shall occur within resource areas. Any additional tree removal beyond what is authorized will require further review by the conservation agent or conservation commission.
Um, those sound like very clear uh words. the clear uh what's the word I'm looking for? Yeah, that sounds very clear. There we go. Um does anyone have any questions on
that? There are probably pictures that I can share. >> Madam Chair, did you >> I would like to see the pictures. >> Yeah. Um I saw a diagram uploaded that shows two trees, but I thought you read that there were four.
>> Yeah. Could be a typo. Let's take a look. Oh, um 25- Oh, yeah. This one had two. So, and one was location of proposed work
relative to the wetlands. And then, oh, I should probably hit share there. So, the applicant uploaded three tree uh images. >> I thought I only saw two here.
>> Yeah, there's definitely only two here. Um, let's see what else we have. >> And that one's named tree one. Yeah. Tricepia. And then we have tree two. We have tree
three here. >> Yeah. >> We don't have a tree four. Uh tree number two. And then chain number three. Okay. And then there's some one there's some more down here.
I wonder if when Harlin went out she identified another tree. It sounds like It's tough to tell um >> from these pictures
compared to the other pictures what's what cuz these ones are much more clear. If anyone needs me to slow down or stop or has questions, let me know. So, this is the same one we were just looking at before, I believe.
Oh, I think that this is Have we seen that one yet? I feel I can't. Hold on. Let's go back. >> I think that's one of the sepia trees. >> No. >> Oh, it's not >> that large tree. >> I thought it was like Is it not tree two?
>> Okay. It's definitely not that one. I do feel like I saw it. >> Let's see. >> That one. >> Yeah, it is that one. >> One. >> So,
>> yeah. Looks like there's not many branches that are alive on that one. >> Yeah. So, we have >> And I'm assuming that's a marker on the tree. The tree doesn't look that red, does it? No, that's I think that's a highlighter
of some sort. >> Okay. >> Um, okay. So, we have four trees marked here for her and we have three trees in pictures. We
also have more trees here, but I cannot I am not a tree expert. I'm also gonna have a thousand tabs open by the end of this. Let's uh try to reuse some of these ones rather than going through.
>> That looks pretty gone. >> This one. >> Mayor, you have your hand up. >> Um yeah, the uh applicant had originally contacted me and I um redirected her to um you and and Herland. So I went back
and looked at and this is she's been trying to do this gosh uh since the end of November. Um but anyway, uh she said she was in need of removing two large trees that were dead on her, um property. Um so I I think that what you
originally um hypothesized is probably true that she had the applicant identified two and Herurland went out and identified some additional ones. Um but I do think that um we should have like some clarity on which exactly which
trees are proposed to be removed. Okay. Um, >> this your question right in front of us has a red uh a pink ribbon around it. >> Yeah. >> But you can't really tell.
>> Yes. >> Sorry. Keep going. That one I think is definitely marked for >> Yeah. >> But I can't tell by this picture that that tree has any issues. I mean, maybe toward the top it does, but we can't tell by this
picture that that tree has any issues. >> The bark looks very healthy. >> Looks very healthy. >> It is very close to their house, though. >> But not any It's further away than the
one that's even closer to the house. >> I know. It's basically in their house, >> right? >> That could be one of the ones they're trying to remove, though. Um, so where we don't have a clear
picture, would we be look should should we look to continue this and get I know that the person has been trying to get this done. Um, maybe we could ask them to come in and put them up first on the next meeting.
Or does anybody else have any better ideas? Um, Madam Chair, I think that's a fine uh a fine suggestion. Uh, but I I for one would would really like to see like the and I it doesn't have to be an elegant image or or diagram, but at
least some kind of diagram that shows where these trees are uh relative to, you know, the buildings and the and the shore line and whatnot. Um, and it it would also be nice if you could in the interim get uh clarification from
our uh administrator uh on you know exactly how many trees uh she thinks were damaged, right? And to make certain that jives with the diagram the applicant provides on how many they're proposing to remove. >> Okay. Yep. I think that that sounds
there. Does anyone have any other ideas? Okay. Um, so do I have a motion to continue and I will have this application put on as an appointment for the next meeting.
>> Motion to continue to the next meeting which I believe is January 21st. All right. Second. >> Second. >> All right. Roll call vote. Andrea Bernap. >> Hi. >> Mary Wilson. >> Hi.
>> Mike Larouche. >> I. >> Okay. Teddy Ducet. >> I. >> And I for myself. Okay. And um I will ask her for some guidance on what she if
those notes are really for and then um ask her to have them show up at the beginning of the next hearing. And it sounds like maybe you have you may have communication with them. Mary, if you want to let them know how this went if you are.
>> I can do that, Madam Chair. >> Okay. Um Okay. So, continue to January 21st, 2026. Okay. Um, up next
we have no extension request permits. We do have a certificate of compliance for 143 Island Road. Um, this is I think we have Do we have notes on this one from the last meeting? We don't. I thought this
is one I remember. Um I do see the applicant it looks like has come on the meeting. Um would you mind stating your name and your address? >> Um so it's Michelle Salis and it's about 143 Island Road in Lunberg.
>> Okay. Um and if they recall, is this the one that has a certificate uh order of conditions from like 1985? >> Yes. Yes. It's my grandfather's house that I'm trying to purchase. Uh, and my attorney is recommending that this um, uh, conditions of order gets closed
before we continue with purchasing it. >> Okay. Do you have anything? >> My grandmother's not here because he had passed away. So, >> okay. Do you have um, anything that you'd like to share with us or want the >> So, my dad went to the My dad went to the My dad went to the town and pulled
the permit to try to figure out exactly what the condition was for because we were struggling. Um, I spoke to the town a few times to try to actually figure out what it was. Uh, and he worked with Brian over there in the building department and he found out that the permit was for the garage. Um, to the best of our knowledge, I would say. And
the garage, um, has been standing for the past 40 years and in great condition. Um, and he was able to find the permit, which I do have a copy of it, um, which I'm happy to share, showing that the permit was signed off um, >> by conservation >> by the conservation committee back in 1985.
>> Okay. Oh yeah, if you'd like to share that with us, that would be great. >> Sure. Um, hold on. I got to figure out how to do all this. >> Hold on. >> You want to do your >> I also did find I went through some old records and found that the sewer
betterment for that neighborhood also happened on the same day as the order of conditions. I don't know >> what was >> if they were a sewer betterment. So the sewer was brought into that neighborhood it looks like in 1985 >> around the same time >> for the service for like the utilities
you're saying. >> Yeah. >> Oh, interesting. Fine. So it could have had something to do with that as well. We were just really trying to find the record of what it was for and this was the this is what >> contemporary >> that we could try to link to the dates to try to figure out what the order was
for because there was really no record of what the order was about. Um, but you can see that the permit was roughly around the same date. Um, and it was it was stating that they were building the garage. And then on the bottom here, it does show that it's been approved uh and signed off by the conservation commission.
>> Okay. >> Copy of decision forthcoming. Um, I think the dates line up too is was it I think the order itself was >> June 15th. >> I think it was June I have June 11th.
>> Okay. Mhm. Um do we have any questions for members of the commission? >> Um madame chair u so this form is the uh and these signatures represent approval um or
>> so >> certificate of compliance or what does what do these signatures uh indicate? >> That's the building permit. So, there is an order of conditions on this property
from 1985. Um, and I'm going to I'll share that on my screen. >> Do you want me to stop sharing? >> I think it'll I'll just take it over. >> Okay, sure. >> Okay. So, this is the order of conditions.
Um, notice of intent for a project was filed on May 22nd. public hearing was closed on June 11th, which does correspond to uh the sewer betterment that happened in that area, but I don't know if you would have to even get an order of conditions for a sore
betterment because the town is >> doing that. Um, but this is the order of conditions. It does not say >> storm damage prevention is checked off, >> but it does not say what the order is
for. Correct. So, that's what we were really trying to investigate to try to match up some dates to try to figure it out. Also, D file number 208-100, which is
we're still in 208, but we're like way far. So, it's like one of the first ones it looks like. >> Mhm. >> Um, okay. So, yeah. So that's the only I tried to do some digging
here. Um Herllin did go out to the site. >> Yeah. And she said that everything looked stabilized there. Um you know 40 40 years later. No. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yeah. Um
and that's all that's all I have. That's all my visibility on this. Do we have any other questions for members of the commission? Do we have any um I mean personally I think that
we could move forward with closing out this order based on Herllin suggest. Uh she didn't give us any notes on this one, but I did talk to her about it last week. Um she said that the site is stable. There's no work that has
happened anytime recently where we can't tell what the actual application was for. The entire area in the buffer zone is intact and stabilized. Mary, you have your hand up. Well, I
would make a uh motion to issue the certificate of uh compliance based on the conservation administrator sitewalk visit and her confirmation that all the orders of conditions have been met. >> Do I have a second?
>> I have a second. >> All right. Thank you, Mike. Roll call vote. Andrea Bernout. Hi. >> Mary Wilson. I. >> Mike Larouche. I >> Teddy Ducet >> I
>> and I for myself. Um okay. So Harlin will you know she'll we'll let her know that we voted to close out that order and issue a certificate of compliance. >> Okay. Thank you. >> And then she will >> will it come up on the portal or how would I be notified?
>> I think so that um I believe that they send by certified mail but they will let you know. >> Okay. >> Or you can come pick it up. So, they'll call you when they do it. And Mike in the office, Michael is usually really good. He may even have it ready for you tomorrow. >> Okay. >> I can promise that.
>> No, it's okay. I appreciate it. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you so much. Have a great night. >> Thank you. You too. Thank you. Appreciate it. >> Okay. Um I don't have a lot of life left in me right now, but um let's keep rolling on.
Feels like it's 12 o'clock to me right now. Um, all right. So, enforcements. Um, I have no updates on any of the enforcements. 98 Horizon Island Road
um is on as a emergency certification. So, they were here at the last meeting and they were going to have some trees taken down and then come back for permission for an emergency certification. I don't see them here
though. Let me just check the application >> chair. The the application there are photos and there's a diagram. It all looks very straightforward to me. >> Okay, that's it. Thank you for being on that. Um,
okay. Let me just share it so that everybody can see what you're looking at. I already forgot the address. It is >> 98 Horizon Island Road >> Island. share. Okay. So, um attachments
and Okay, that is a big gouge. And then also I do have actually notes here from this one. >> The big crack in that tree on the right.
>> Yep. So, let me I'll make it a little bit bigger maybe. There we go. That is that is quite a crack. Um Herurland's not say tree split tree with the split trunk is deemed a hazard tree and presents an imminent risk. Public safety and property. Removal of this
tree is warranted to prevent potential injury or damage in addition to the primary tree hazard tree. Several nearby mature trees are observed to contain dead rotted and or compromised branches. Branches appear structurally unsound and pose risk or ongoing safety concern particularly during winter snow events.
Um while the tree work additionally while the tree crew is mobilized on site the removal of dead rotted or hazardous branches from adjacent trees is considered reasonable and appropriate as a preventative safety measure provided that such work is limited to pruning and does not result in additional ground disturbance or expanded tree removal beyond what is necessary to address
safety concerns. Tree removal and pruning shall be conducted using best management practices to to minimize disturbance to surrounding soils and resource areas. No staging, equipment storage, or debris stockpiling shall occur within resource areas. All work shall be limited to the
removal of the identified hazard tree and selective pruning of visibly dead or rotted branches on nearby trees. No additional tree removal is authorized without further review by the conservation agent or conservation commission. Um,
but those are Hurland's notes on this property. Do we have any questions? Madam Chair, are you prepared to accept a motion? >> I am. I would um move or make a motion that we
approve uh the uh tree removal and uh damage branch uh pruning uh as articulated in the proposal uh by the applicant and further uh amplified by the administrative um as our uh
conservation comm administrator amplified in her notes. >> Do I have a second? Thank you, Mary. Second. >> Okay. Um, roll call vote. Andrea Bernap >> I.
>> Mary Wilson. >> I. >> Mike Larouche. >> I. >> Teddy Ducet. >> I. >> And I for myself. >> Um, under new business. Uh unless anyone
has any thoughts otherwise I don't think we have anything on the first three. Do we have any new topics unknown or bylaw destruction or MAC training takeaways? Doesn't look like it. Um for the notification of well abandonment I did
finally talk to Herland about that. Um, and if everyone remembers this one or does not, let me do a quick share of um, that on
maybe if my screen wants to. Right now I'm having issues. Okay. So, let me pull it up first cuz it was in meeting notes. Here it is. So, this was a notification that we
received about well abandonment. Um, if I recall, it was next to the Subaru dealership, if that sounds right. And so, I spoke to Portland. Madam Chair, uh there two Subaru dealerships. >> The the one with the new Subaru is not
the >> So I think it's the one that's closest to the intersection of uh 2A and Route 13. >> That's 141 451 Mass, >> right?
Um, so they are proposing to um a final well abandonment. And so I spoke to Herin um and she said that what they're proposing is the best way to handle these type of wells. What they do is they pull pipes
out of it and then they fill it in. That way, um, nothing can get out and nothing can get in. I'm not I know I'm not explaining this the best. Um, it's actually explained pretty well right here that proposed
work entails removing an existing vertical one to 1 to 2 in diameter PVC monitoring well points and abandoning back filling the respective 1 to 2 in diameter bore hole voids to grade to limit future ground substance and eliminate any surface water entry
pathway to the underlying groundwater. This proposed minor activity will not remove fill dredge or alter that area and is therefore not considered subject to the regulation for 310 CMR for the wells located adjacent to the unnamed stream and within the wetland boundary. The monitoring wells being abandoned within the 100 foot wetland buffer zone
are considered minor activities and exempt from performance standards of the wetland regulations. So Pearllin said that she unders that the way that she reads that she understands that to be true um and that this is the best way to handle this. She sees this in um
Fitchburg. Uh I wouldn't she didn't say often, but where there were a lot of mills that were dumping into the river that had things like this, she was familiar with this practice. So there's nothing for us to vote on
here. uh according the to her this is straightforward to her unless anyone has any other comments or doesn't seem like it. Okay. So, we can um I guess move that
off of the agenda moving forward. But now we have like a little bit of clarification for our purposes if we ever see something like this again. Any comments otherwise? Okay. Um,
Lunenburgg, April Earths. Uh, Mary, did you want to speak to this? >> Yes. Uh, thank you, Madam Chair. So, uh, for like the past, I don't know, four or five years or so, I've I've kind of, uh, been a champion of Lunberg, uh, April
Earth Days. Uh, and sometimes, uh, Lunberg's park, uh, parks department has participated, sometimes not. very often we've had the support of you know the municipal um departments uh you know the police uh department's been a really big
supporter um the NHS students uh at the high school have been really great supporters uh and and we have just an awful lot of wonderful volunteers around town this year I won't be able to be in a leadership position uh for this um but I you know would hate for the practice
to go away I'm I'm happy to be a volunteer supporter, right? I'm just not in a position to uh, you know, lead the rallying charge and and do the hering of cats and and whatnot. Um, so I wanted to socialize that, see if anybody else was
interested. Uh, see if anybody was interested in raising their hand to be in a more leadership role. Um, when I sent this to you, um, Madam Chair, uh, I also copied Herin. Herlin uh said that she was uh very interested in in helping
out with this as well. So that also is is an exciting prospect. Um but that's uh that's where we are with that. And I don't mind want to interrupt you, but I would like to also add um that
Herdlin was offered the position as our conservation agent in Lindenburg and she has accepted and it was ratified last night at the select board meeting and Mary went and spoke for her um in my place because I was unable to and I
really appreciate Mary doing that and she did a wonderful job and also we are just thrilled to have Herurlin. um be coming on as our agent because obviously you can tell her quality of work. She's just fantastic. So, we are going to have
she's her official start date is February 9th um because she's you know obviously giving her work her current job um some time to have support and uh I appreciate that.
And um so yeah, February 9th we will have a fully staffed office. Mike, you have your hand up. Uh I just going back to when is Earth Day in this year? >> Sometime usually April 22. >> Yeah, it's usually like the I don't know
the 22nd or 28th or something like that. Um, you know, and what and what what we've done in the past is we've tried to kind of I've tried to kind of coordinate, you know, uh, anybody that had a project uh in town that they wanted to put forward and sponsor and
try to schedule it throughout the throughout the month of April so that we, you know, on the weekends, people could choose a project on a Saturday morning when they were available or Saturday afternoon when they were available or, you know, Sunday morning or Sunday afternoon so that we got kind
of the maximum coverage across the town. Also with the, you know, there are a lot of volunteers who are parents, right? But, you know, spring break comes around the third week in uh in April and they're out of town for two weekends, right? So, pulling some of them earlier
in the month provided, you know, gave us access to some willing volunteers who just weren't available later in the month when Earth Day, you know, actually fell. Um, so, uh, anyway, that's a long-winded, uh, answer to your
question, Mike. Sorry about that. >> And I do think, Mike, we had, um, there was one at the pollinator habitat last year. We did the >> Yeah, we did a clean up >> Wednesday, April 22nd this year. >> You're glitching out a little, Mike.
You're like Max Head over there. Oh, I think he froze. He froze. >> Eth is the Tuesday. >> It sounds
>> Oh, >> you might you might have to go a little closer. I know you want to be with the palm trees, Mike, but you might have to go a little closer. >> You think it's closer? >> Oh, I think Mike you were saying um a Saturday.
>> Yeah. 11th and 12th and then the 18th and the 19th and then the 25th and the 26th are the week kind of the weekends of availability because Easter's on the 5th and you were probably saying that while you were the technology was failing us.
>> I think it still is. Um it looks like school vacation this year is the 19th to the 25th. >> Yeah, it's usually the third third full week of April. And it's a mixed bag. Sometimes people
have better availability then and want to do stuff during the week while the kids are off and they have to be off too. And then there are people that go out of town that say, "Hey, if you were doing something on the 11th and 12th, you know, we we would be able to participate, but we're going to be away
the week of school vacation." Um anyway though uh if if somebody would be willing to you know do the coordination and whatnot um you know and work with Herllin on that I I would be happy to you know support them to the best of my availability
right with best practices or help or whatnot. Um, and I can probably volunteer one day in April, but uh my April is is pretty much maxed out uh this year due to some circumstances. >> Unfortunately, Madam Chair, I will be out of the country
from the 12th to the 28th of April. >> Yeah. Well, that sounds really fun, Mike. And I uh very happy for you. Are you going anywhere exciting? >> I will be uh walking in I'm actually
going to be walking in Italy. >> Okay. So, last time it was biking in Amsterdam. >> So, now you're going to be walking in Italy. >> Yes. >> All right. Well, that sounds really fun. And uh >> I'll make sure that the pollinator
habitat is on board. And didn't the public Lunberg public library do something or I could be mistaken that may have been Arbor Day and not >> I think it was >> um >> they didn't do something last year I don't think but they did something the
two years before >> the year before. Yes. Yes. >> I mean if I'm recalling correctly too bring it up. we always bring it up and and they let us know if it's something they might be
interested in doing. So, it's worth a um to them if it's something that they may coordinate something in and around a program that they may want to bring kids into the library sometimes.
Uh >> Robin, that's a great that's a great idea, right? Bring them in. So, you know, I I I know there's a lot of interests. I certainly don't want not to include them and let them decide if it's something they uh would like to
share and be part of. Um, so I will be glad to um to mention it to them to see if there's any interest and uh let everybody know here at the conservation.
>> Yeah, that would be great. Um, and I can definitely help out. I mean, obviously I'm going to I plan on being on board. I don't know if I can lead, but I can definitely help her coordinate. I can help set up Google
forms. I can do a lot of that stuff um and help as much as I can. April's April is hard for me at work though. I'll definitely be available too at some of the events for sure. Um but
we'll figure that out and then I'll work with Herllin on that. Mike, you can talk to the pollinator habitat. Um, and if anyone else is interested in any Earth Day related that is on the call, um, we can also figure out ways
for everybody that's interested to help out. Um, >> okay. >> April will be here before we know it. I can't believe it's 2026. So, we'll probably start have talk start talking about that stuff sooner rather than later. All right. But thank you for all
that you have done for Earth Days in the past, Mary. >> Um >> really. >> Yeah. So, it's so much work. It really is a lot of work that you put into it. And also just getting the That's the other thing we need to figure out is
getting the volunteer time and getting credit for that, right? Um so all of those things that we need to keep visibility. All right. >> Yeah. But um just a quick note, the vol log in the volunteer time uh actually uh
comes in handy whenever we go and apply for additional grants. Um and uh you know just to make certain everybody has heard. Bob Peas actually has volunteered to uh propose some grants to uh Mash
Recreational Trails to uh get funding for our Reo um parking lot and the Table Rock parking lot. actually get them installed. And so being able to say that, you know, we do these Earth Days and we have this kind of, you know,
volunteer turnout um substantiates uh very much our um our level of uh community support. What >> qualifies as like volunteer like what
events are you able to log? Because I I just bring this up because I volunteered at the library a few times doing some gardening with Robin. >> Mhm. I don't know if that qualifies or not. Uh well what what we what in the
past I've uh captured is volunteer time on conservation properties and then you know if parks was participating with us I would capture their volunteer hours so that they had access to it for grants that they were doing um for parks uh
because you know a lot of those grants are funded differently um you know from different sources uh so I I think it's important not to intermingle And I I don't know and the library all volunteer work is important but I think the library volunteer work we couldn't claim
as um you know community support for conservation um properties. >> Okay, that's a fair question. >> Yeah. And I wonder if it wouldn't be here but maybe there may be some because
that is con that is a a pollinator garden that's there. So maybe there may be something somewhere else that that could, >> you know, be utilized as a because it is, you know, the kinds of things that they look for when they talk about grants and and stuff like that. So um
>> I do >> well the pollinator habitat too is on a conservation land, right? So madam chair >> volunteer hours there we do count. Yeah, Mike, >> I just wanted to say the internet tells me that uh Earth Day in 2026 is actually
Wednesday, April 22nd. >> The internet. >> Okay. Not always. >> So, that's the official day >> on this case. >> Yeah, that might be a good day to have kids at the library though, like the the official day where parents might be
looking for something to do with their kids. Um, but I'm going to leave this on the agenda >> in school on Wednesday or that school vacation. >> That's vacation. >> School vacation. >> Yeah. So, >> okay.
>> And I I will leave this on the agenda so we um can discuss anything that comes up in the future. >> We'll keep >> Yep. We have anything else that relates to
Earth Day? >> Okay. Um, I don't have anything for the budget for this meeting. I'll have stuff for the next meeting. >> Oh, >> I >> Madam Chair. >> Yes, >> I have a budget something. >> Oh, you do?
>> I do. Could I share? >> Absolutely. Uh, you're still showing you a sharing. >> Oh, I probably am. Are you just looking at your own faces? >> Well, it's funny because since we're both co hosts, it says that I was
already sharing, but it was your screen that I was looking at. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So in in the past as the commission we have talked about including uh this document and I hopefully you guys can see it. This is actually linked on our uh
>> on our uh website, right? Um and it's a two-sided flyer. Uh it has, you know, how to contact us, where to get information. Uh and it it notifies and/or reminds um members of the public that uh you know, there are buffer zones
and they are required to come and get um permits before, you know, doing any type of uh you know, activity in those buffer zones. And we had talked in the past about getting this printed up, putting it in the um one of the tax mailings
that goes out to all of the residents. Uh you know, we wouldn't get renters, right? But we would at least get everybody who's property owner um would get this um reminder. And I think it's important when we talk about budgets to make certain that this is actually a
budgeted line item so that we are in a position to execute on it this year or you know the next fiscal year. >> Yeah. >> Yes. So um add to budget also
need to figure out how much that would cost too in order to >> Yeah, that's correct. I think um Michael Gail seems like he's really uh really proficient. So maybe he could figure out, you know, talk to the uh tax
department and figure out how many mailings they do. If he knows how many mailings, then I think he could probably talk to whoever does printing of like flyer kind of stuff well with the town and and get some kind of a budgetary quote on a two-sided, you know, one
pager. >> Yep. And then also I know that uh I I believe that we have it might be a volunteer like doing the tax credit hours that stuffs the the bills. I'm not sure if we or if we pay
somebody to stuff the bills, but there may be a cost associated with that, too. Um so, okay. Yeah. Awesome. Thank you for reminding me of that, Mary. Um because that is something that has been talked
about since I joined the commission. So >> it was something I talked about wanting to do at my initial uh appointment hearing. >> Yeah. So which was four years ago now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Um
we don't have any encroachment issues. Um, Hollis Road residence. We have not purchased the Marceli yet because I was told that there's actually a credit card that we can use from the town, but Michael was out sick and then I got super busy. We have been to the
pollinator habitat though and there's no um it wasn't super cold in there, but I will get that Marcel going. And then also um we have unitel bills coming in. So, Michael Gail has asked that we get uh a
purchase order in line just to cover those bills so he doesn't have to get each one approved, which obviously makes sense. He had asked for 350, which would be covering about $50 a month um until July. I think we should look at 500 just
in case we have it's Unatil. You never know what could happen. They might I don't know if they ever put their prices up in February. Uh my bills are pretty high from them. So I think we might want to look more toward 500, but I am open
to suggestions. >> Madam Chair, I would make a motion to uh open a PO not to exceed you said $500. >> Yeah. >> Unatil for the Hollis Road residents. >> Okay. Do I have a second?
>> Second. >> All right. Roll call vote. Andrea Bernout >> I. >> Mary Wilson >> I. >> Magouch >> I. >> Teddy Det >> I. >> And I for myself.
Um we also uh we went out as a commission um to the Hollisburg residents on Saturday and uh looked at some of the things that need to be done and um we'll have to
start moving on those things pretty soon. Um I think we'll revisit that more at the next meeting. Um unless anyone has anything they want to add. Just wanted to add to remind the conser
commission that >> are you hearing me here or am I fading in and out? Just wanted to remind >> us >> about the heating system. Okay. Just wanted to remind all the commissioners that uh the end of
the month, I believe it's the 30th, that we're going to have that heating system cleaning and servicing at the Hollis Road residence as part of u the annual
cleaning, making sure that the um all the filters are changed and that we don't have any interruptions during the winter. Okay. And um as far as that >> it weeditted it >> a couple of meetings ago.
>> Yeah. >> Um not to exceed $500 or so dollars. I believe >> the vote was and >> yes >> who um will be on site to meet them when
they do the cleaning. >> Cam's heating. Cam's Heating does the the uh the servicing and Jason knows the route uh as far as the going through the bulkhead and um there's generally no need for
anyone to be on site because they just know how to do it. >> So, oh, they don't need to enter in the property. >> They just through the bulkhead outside the house. Okay. >> There's no need to enter inside.
Okay, awesome. Um, okay. Do we have anything else on Hollis for now? All right. Uh, committee reports. Uh, Teddy, I don't think master plan steering committee has met since you're
kind of >> in. We have not met, but I did get um a downloadable draft. It's about 170 pages long, but there's lots of pictures and infographics. I can forward
it to you all um so you can just look at it. >> That would be awesome. >> Um at your own leisure. Um yeah, I'll go ahead and send that uh at the end of the meeting. >> Okay, that would be awesome. Thank you. I'm actually really excited to see what
um is on there and I >> just thank you so much for taking that on because that was I think that's a really important part of our town structure and what were you
>> I was very excited about it. >> Uh it's just a f I just like looking at the infographics. It's kind of they made it pretty like pretty to look at. So >> awesome. lots of graphs and whatnot. >> I can't wait to see it. Um Chris is not here to update us on
open space. Um Stormwater has not met since our last meeting. We are Oh, did we meet since our last meeting? No, we did not meet since our last meeting. Um but we are meeting tomorrow. Um so I will have an update next time.
Uh do we have any communications or public comment? Madam Chair, if I may. >> Yes. >> I am super excited that uh we have uh Hurland starting full-time uh February 9th.
>> That's that's just that's absolutely a huge win for the town. Um and I yeah I I really can't even um put into words how tickled I am about that. uh cuz uh you know it has been it has been a long time
and there have been a lot of uh challenges >> you know and and and no ill will towards anybody. Everybody that has been involved with office uh has been doing the best that they could do under very challenging circumstances. Um
but um you know herin is just such a huge win for our conservation office. I'm I'm I'm tickled. >> Same as am I. Um, I have been very lucky that even though she's been here part-time, to have Michael and Herlin in
the office, I just I can't even imagine what it's going to be like to have her full time. It's been um just even having her part-time. I just all of the proactivity that I think we're going to be able to
accomplish is it's going to be really amazing. So, I'm very excited to have her. Um, does anyone else have anything that they would like to add? Okay. Our up our next meeting is January
21st at 7 o'clock p.m. on Zoom. Um, and if there's nothing else, I will be looking for a motion to adjurnn. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Roll call vote. Andrea Bernout. Hi
>> Mary Wilson. >> I >> Mike Larouche. >> I >> Eddie Ducet. >> I >> and I for myself. We are adjourning at 9:52 p.m. on January 7th, 2026 at the
Lindenburgg Conservation Commission.