Okay. Starting the meeting at 7:04 p.m. for the August 20th, 2025 conservation commission meeting of Lunenburgg. Um, in accordance with the requirements of the open meeting law. Please be advised that the meeting is being audio
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that this AI technology may capture audio prior to the start of the meeting and or following the conclusion of the meeting. All right. So, I'm going to do a roll call. Um Teddy Ducet here. Andrea Bernat
here. Chris St. Germaine here. And then Richard Bur, Mary Wilson, and Mike Larouche are all out tonight. And here present for myself.
And do we have any comments from members of the public before we get started? Um, comments are to be limited to 3 minutes and on a subject matter under the director of the commission. Comments about current agenda items are to be made during the comment period of the
specific agenda item. Please address all comments to the chair. Do we have any public comments? It does not look like it. Um, pollinator habitat check-in. Mike isn't here, so he's going to be the one doing that, but just for anybody on, we
do have a pollinator habitat in Lunenburgg. It's beautiful. It's at 123 Hollis Road, and I highly suggest that you take a visit. Um, we don't have any minutes to approve, so we will move on to new public hearings. Um,
so pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 in the town of Lunenberg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws, a public hearing on a notice of intent by Ashley Owens for the demolition of an existing home and construction of a two-unit dwelling in the 100 ft buffer
zone at 68A Laurel Lane and NOI-25-5. Um, do we have the applicant or the representative on the line? Okay. Yep. I'm going to um give you the ability to share your screen if there's anything
that you would like to share with us and then you Okay, awesome. Want to go over the project or um Yes, I can go over the project. See this?
Uh so the project is at 68A Laurel Lane. Um the lot has been split already by David Ross. Um the site plan has been submitted. We are proposing to do a new two family
uh further away from Wayan Lake than the current existing house outside of the buffer zone. And that's the gist of the project. Okay. Um, so I spoke to Herurlin about
the issue with the straw waddles and um, so she said that it's not an issue with straw waddles, it's an issue with hay hay bales. Had you mentioned hay bales to her at all? Um, yes. And the the comment I received was
no hay or straw is to be used. Um, but I think she meant maybe or I'm not sure if it was that there's a comment that you received from her. Um, but it was no hay bales and straw waddles are acceptable is what
Okay. So, I just wanted to um Thank you for that. Yep. And then you don't have a D number yet. Uh, we do have a D number. It's not on the NOI website unless it's under a
different property. It could be. There's been a lot of confusion with the properties here. Um the town has it listed as 74. Used to used to We had it listed as 7072. Uh but we do have a D number. I can try and
locate it. I'm looking on the NOI website. It looks like for this is the filing date of um 34 2025. Yes. And then here, let me I'll share my
screen so you can see what I'm looking at. Okay. Should I stop sharing? I'm just going to take it over and then I'll let you share and then I'll have you share again. So this is what I'm seeing for 68A Laurel Lane and there's no NOI number
yet. Do you have your NOI number so I can just look it up in here real quick or D number? The D number. So I have the email from them. The D conver confirmation. I have the transaction ID.
I would have to look and follow up. Okay. Yeah, it looks like they haven't issued a D number yet. So, um, well, an NOI number. So, you're definitely going to want to follow up with that. Be able to approve it tonight without a
D number or vote on it. I Yeah. So, just to make you aware of that. You go to the D website. Yeah. Let me go to the D website. Um because that is strange. I know we got
held up and that may have been part of it. Um so I don't know if you want me to just follow up with this or if we wait, do we have to then come back to another meeting? Yeah. So, I mean, no matter what, you're going to have to come back to another
meeting just because there isn't a number. So, with without an NOI number, we can't approve. Um, that's just the wetland protection act rules. So, do you want can you pull up your plan
again and then we can just look at it and see if we have anything that we might want to see on the plan. That way, we can get some of that stuff out of the way for you for when you come back. Yeah. All right. I'm sorry. I don't know.
Okay. So, on this plan, um for the water line, so here's here's the garage. Which way is the water? The water's here. Okay, there we go. So, this is the 30 foot wetland buffer.
This is the 50 foot. The existing house is already behind the 50 foot. Um, but the existing house is entirely within the 100 foot. Um, so the new house is proposed to be further away from the lake than the
existing house. Okay. And um it's going to be overlapping the existing house and then going back. Correct. Going back towards the street. Yep. Okay. And then so you have two stockpile areas. It looks like one is a little bit in front.
So we have one up here near the electrical pole. We have one here between the houses. Okay. Uh and one down here if we need it. Uh but I don't I don't truly anticipate needing anything down here. Okay. And then can you scroll down a
little bit? Um, and then so you have a silt fence on there now. And then can I just scroll down a little bit more? Oris, I'm under a virus attack. I have to turn off my computer and open up another laptop. So I'll have to join rejoin.
Okay. Is it just telling you that there's like a virus? Yeah, I'm getting it's it's all over my screen though. I can't get to get it turned off. Oh, yeah. If try control altdelete and then close the browser, it might kill it.
All right. But if not, just restart your computer. Okay. I have the reg I have the regular recording going. So, okay. Any luck? Still working on it. Okay. So, um, so you have a silt fence
on here and it looks like it's going across all here it is. And knowing that you could be using straw waddles, do you want to stick with the cell fence or do you want to update that? Would you prefer straw straw waddles?
Yeah, I'll probably end up using that. Uh I think we used both for the other project. Okay. So maybe just when you come back put you know silt friends draw straw waddles or combination of or Okay. Okay. Um do we have any questions from
members of the commission? Okay, that was the Teddy just put up an X, which means no. And I've never seen anyone do that before. I was like, what is that? Um, I feel like it's better than sitting in silence. Yeah, I like it. Very cool. Okay, any luck, Chris?
Yeah, I got to stop doing it, so I think I'm okay. Sweet. Okay. So, it doesn't look like we have any questions from members of the commission. Do we have any members of the public that have any comments or questions
about this project? Sorry, it doesn't look like it. Okay. Yeah. Also, I unfortunately you do have to come back because there's no um NOI number, but if
you can get that straightened out, I will let um Michael know that you I'm assuming you'd want to at least try to come back for the next meeting, which would be September 3rd, 2025, and then hopefully you can get it straightened out before that. We'll definitely get it straight out before that.
Okay, great. So, September 3rd, you got Yeah. I'd be looking for a motion to continue to September 3rd, 2025. Do I have a motion? So moved. I second.
Okay. I have Chris with the motion and Teddy with the second. Um, roll call vote. Andrea Bernout, I. Teddy Ducet, I. Christine Germaine, hi. and I for myself.
All right. Motion to continue to September 3rd, 2025. Approved and we will see you at that meeting. See you soon. Thank you. Thanks so much. Bye. All right, let me just pin There you are. I want to pin you, Chris.
Okay. So, up next, um, pursuant to MGL chapter 131, section 40 and the town of Looneyberg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws, we have 795 Lemonster Road, a public hearing on a notice of intent by Ken Chaplain for the construction of a residential driveway
and storm water basin in the 50oot buffer zone. Do we have the applicant or representative on the line on the call? Yes, Madam Chair. Ryan Proctor with Dillis and Roy uh here representing the applicant. Okay. Let me uh make you a co-host.
Thank you. Okay. Um would you like to go over the project with us? I'd be happy to. Just let me share my screen. I'll pull up the site plan here. All right. Great. Uh thank you for your time tonight. Again, Ryan Proctor,
Dillis Roy representing the applicant uh for this project. Ken Chaplain. The commission may be familiar with this site in particular. At the end of 2024, we had permitted three separate lots on the corner of Lemonster Road and Kilburn Street. At that time when we permitted
the original project, the site address was identified as 20 Kilburn Street. And we had lots one, two, and three. Lots uh lot one, which is the subject of this application tonight. We had submitted an RDA for the construction of a proposed
single family house which is outside of the buffer zone. Um the 100 foot buffer zone is this outer orange line here. The only work at that time that we're proposing within the buffer was a short extension of the new driveway and associated grading with that construction. The other two lots, which
are not the subject of tonight's discussion, but just for context, were uh two notice of intents that were previously filed again as part of that overall collective development on the corner of Kilbourne Street and Lemonster Road. Along with uh the RDA that we had filed
with your commission, we had also filed for a storm water permit with the planning board. At that same time, at the end of 2024, the site collectively disturbed more than an acre. So for each lot we were required to file a storm water permit and as part of those discussions uh with
the board and as per the regulations we were required to address the storm water management uh storm water runoff associated with this development. And what we ended up doing is proposing a storm water basin within the buffer zone which in this case is the low point of the site where all the water is running
anyways and that falls within the 50-foot uh no build zone which is this inner line. Uh it is completely outside of the 30-foot no disturb zone uh which is the third orange line that I just highlighted. That project was reviewed as I mentioned
by the planning board and the applicant did pay to have the application peer reviewed. Um so the peerreview engineer review the drainage system that we're proposing tonight along with the overall uh zeit characteristics and the project as a whole. And we were granted that special permit uh the storm water
permit, excuse me. And I did upload a copy of that permit to the application along with these materials. So the only addition the the new disturbance uh within the buffer that the commission has not seen before is strictly limited to this area down here which again is
just the storm water basin that we needed to put in to address the storm water runoff concern um and and address the conditions of that storm water permit with the planning board process. We have received a D file number um for this project and I did submit a cover
letter last week addressing those comments. Um I can just I'll just go through those very quickly. The first two were relative to uh the overall site. So as I mentioned, we subdivided this parcel out of a much larger parcel. Um so there's a little confusion on the
site address. Um originally as as I mentioned, it was identified as lot one. Uh so we clarified that the proposed project that we're here for tonight. 75 795 uh Lemonster Road is it is its own lot now and that's the one that we filed for and the other projects have their
order of conditions already. Uh the second and third comments are relative to storm water management. Uh D acknowledges that the project is exempt from the storm water standards. They did provide some uh comments and recommendations on the stormwater
system. Um, so I did provide some responses to that, but as I mentioned, we did receive a stormwater permit uh from the planning board earlier this year and and that was peer-reviewed by uh the town's uh review consultant and engineering consultant. Uh, the final comment was relative to
professional conditions for operation maintenance activities. Uh, we do have an operation and maintenance manual that we prepared for the stormwater permit and there are operation and maintenance conditions referenced in that permit. Um, however, if your commission uh wanted to include conditions about
operation maintenance of that basin, which would include mowing and cleaning out of sediment, uh we would take no objection to that. So, that is why we're here tonight. Um, if there are any questions, I would be happy to take them. Okay. Um,
do we have any questions from members of the commission? All right. Oh, Chris, I think you're talking. Yeah. The the O andM portion, can you explain, are you going to follow their recommendations? Are you saying that you're not going to follow them unless
we ask you to? Oh, no. Yeah, we will. So, it's part of the storm water permit uh to maintain that basin. So, we we will have to anyways. Um but again, D recommended it. So, it would be a redundant condition, but Okay. If that's would make you feel comfortable, we're okay with it.
Just pulling up the um the plan really quickly. Sure. Maintenance tasks for the construction period, routine operation and schedule. Hold on. Let me just I'm going to share my screen.
Oh, yeah. Yep. Unless you want to pull it up and share your screen. Oh. Uh, if you have it handy, then uh by all means. Okay. Okay. So, so the schedule is showing
um grass whale we inspected monthly mode in the spring and the fall and then remove debris and sediment as required. So that's just saying that when it's
there it will be removed, right? That's correct. Yep. Okay. Exactly. And then um rip wrap inspection, remove debris, remove sediment. Okay. So that will be done every spring and this is perpetual.
Yep. Uh and then inspection of the trench storm drain lines inspect and clean. I think does anyone have any questions on any of this from the commission?
Anything else they'd like to see? I just my question is who does these inspections? Jenny, that's a good question. Um, I am trying to set it up so that things are built into our, you know, workflow in open gov
as far as inspections go for the one year, two-year, threeyear things like that. Um, this feels like it's outside of the scope of the conservation commission. Um, so really
not I have I I have no idea. Okay. to be honest. Um I know that the fact that it exists and it's approved and they've said they are going to do it. If somebody were to go out and look and these things aren't being done, then at least there would be something to back
up saying, "No, you have to do this." Um but as far as somebody going out and checking it, Ryan, do you have any comments on that? Yes. So, uh, typically these, um, when we have a drainage report, typically you're on a larger subdivision where there's some sort of, uh, homeowners
association or something that would that would function as the operation and maintenance people. But in this case, it will be the responsibility of the homeowner. It's it's their system that's help that's working on their runoff. So, it's it's their responsibility to make sure that the system's functioning um, as designed. And that's why the the O
andM schedule that you're looking at um, in up in the pages. Also, there's also descriptions on what exactly they're supposed to do. Um, but yeah, it will ultimately be the homeowner's responsibility. So,
and then yeah. Okay. Do we have any other questions for members of the commission? Um, it does not appear. So, do we have any? I think I'd be looking for a motion to
approve. So, moved. Do you Jenny, do you give uh uh neighbors time to I'm so sorry. Yes. Um, thank you for that. Uh, do we have
any comments from members of the public? And then I have a question. This is John Carroll and I live at 803 Lemonster Road and I'm in a if I'm in a butter or an adjacent property owner and the question for Ryan, can you show your plan again,
please? Sure. Can you pull that plan up? And can you I just want to see something. Thank you. You're welcome. Hasn't quite come up yet. Yeah. Oh, it's not.
It says you've started screen sharing. Uh, okay. Let me try to restart. Uh, let's see. How about now? No. You've started. It says double click to enter full screen mode. Um, it's like
you're sharing nothing. Oh, did you did you see it the first time? Nope. I could see it the first like the I could see it originally the first first time but not these two times. Okay. Um
I'm sorry that has not been a problem before. Yeah. I've never seen that before. I try different screen. Yeah. There you go. Oh, okay. All right. Third time's a charm. Third time's a charm. Here we go. So, can the question I have a couple of
questions regarding the driveway because I'm I have one of the easements on that driveway. There's no encroachment by the the the what what do you have for the width of the driveway? Can I ask you uh of the proposed driveway? I think it's uh 12 ft.
No, the existing easement. The driveway that that we use Joshman and I use to get up to our houses. I can get that for you in one moment. Thank you. the existing gravel driveway to remain. Is that that correct?
Okay. And I have a question about um how they plan on getting the pipe from the uh the drainage swale across. Um we have uh we spent a a little bit of money several years ago to get that driveway redone.
And so we put um we put geotech fabric in. And I I I'd like to make sure if the new owner does something that that's that he does it in a way that doesn't completely tear things apart. Pulling up the drawing right now. We had
a server crash a couple minutes before this meeting started, so bear with me, please. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. I can uh I can answer your second question uh while I'm while I'm loading up the width here, but I I assume that the pipe would be it's just a one pipe that
we're installing there. I assume that it would just be trenched across. Um I imagine it' be done very quickly. Um it probably be opened and cut and and installed in less than a day. Well, so um so Ryan, I put um eight I think I put
10 pipes along the driveway, five of which are on that section. Mhm. And it might be helpful for um for you guys to talk to me because I might be able to help you get a pipe across there without tearing up that driveway.
Okay. I have 8 in um drainage pipes I put in that were never used, but we put them in in anticipation at some point they might be needed. It will enable your your owner to sneak a pipe through pretty easy without tearing things.
Yeah, I'd be happy to put you in contact with them. Yeah, it might help them. It might help them. That'd be great. Thank you. But certainly the easement I just want to make sure they're not encroaching on that because certainly we use it and and that's kind of important. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And you'll
see on the plan, but we're not proposing any grading or any changes to any of the elevations of of your driveway. We're It looks like you're It looks like the easement is the dash line. So, it does look like it's outside. Is it Is that your impression of it? Also, all the disturbance, the basin, all of
that work is outside of that easement. That's correct. Yep. Yeah. The only the only the only other comment I have is there's a a catch basin that the town put in at the bottom of that driveway years ago and that was quite a la palooa back then and I'm reticent to bring it up but um
and I don't want to gum this project up because these people that's a you know they're trying to do what they need but um you're putting these this new owner through all these hoops and yet the town still owns that and that's been a it's been a nightmare. It floods down there
regularly still, but it's not it's not this owner's problem. It's it's a town it's a town problem that's existing. Yeah. Well, is the is the water that's coming off into that storm drain is that from this property?
No, it's coming from the street. Okay. Uh and have you reported that to the DPW? I'm assuming. Um I I brought it to the DPW years ago and that's the solution was to put the catch basin down there and pipe it just pipe the raw
stuff into uh into the swamp adjacent and um you know at some point you Yeah. So, you know, I mean,
I would think that partially what's happening here would help with some of the runoff from this property as far as it coming down the street. Is it coming down from the um is it the road that Cherry Hill is on? What is that? Yeah, Lemonster Road.
Lemonster Road. Yeah. Oh, yeah. This is Lemonster Road. Um it's not I don't want to gum this up because it's not, you know, it's not this property owners issue. You know, certainly the easement is an issue, but it looks like that's been taken care of and and I can certainly talk to Jack
Maloney about about In fact, I think I mentioned it to him the other day that we may be able to help him find a way to get in there without tearing up the driveway. So, this basin is not really for the runoff into the road, but Yes, I realize that. It's for the wetland,
right? I do realize that below grade. Yeah. So, um that's the real purpose that we're here looking at this. Okay. And I understand that. Yeah. Um Okay. So, as far as
the I mean, looks like there's a 12-in pipe proposed here, right? What is the Yeah, that's that's Yeah. Yeah. Um, and it sounds like we're good as far as figuring out how that easement and that
driveway will be there. The impact will be as little as possible to the current homeowners who use that for access to their properties. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. So, are you um
does that satisfy everybody involved right now? Is it John Carroll was your name? I Yes. And I don't see any issues with it. It looks like it's it looks like uh they factored it in.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you for your comments and sorry that I almost forgot to ask if there were any comments. So, thank you for speaking up. Um that's okay. It happens. Did we have any other questions, members of the commission?
Okay. So, I think I'd be looking for a motion to approve. So, moved. Second. Okay. Chris with the motion and Teddy with the second. All right. Roll call vote. Teddy Det. I.
Chris St. Germaine. Hi. Andrea Bernup. Hi. And I for myself. All right. Thank you so much, Ryan. Yeah. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Okay. Me just make some notes here.
All right. So pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 and the town of Lunenberg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws, we have a public hearing on a notice of intent by Jireina costs for a sept septic system upgrade to replace existing failed system in the 100 foot
buffer zone. Do we have the applicant or um their representative on the line? Yes. Chris McKenzie from Dillisen Roy here to present this project. I'm going to make you a co-host. Thank you. I' I'd love to share my
screen. Okay. Yep. Please do. Where is it? All right. Let's uh do that. How's that? Can we see that? All right, we can.
All right, so this is uh the uh existing house located at uh 1498 Lancaster A located right here. Uh just to familiarize yourself with the area, it's basically the last house on the right at the end of Lancaster A just before you get to Lemonster Shirley Road. In fact,
the neighboring property is actually on uh Lemonster Shirley Road uh right there. So the existing house is located here. There's a well in the front yard. So that eliminates the whole front yard area for the potential for a septic system. The existing septic system
that's failed is located in this area here. So we've proposed a a new septic system, a presby system, uh located back here. It is within the 100 foot buffer, uh but it is outside the excuse me.
Is that a question? No. Oh, sorry. I thought I heard something. I'm sorry. Uh might have been my cat. Uh so that we show the 50 foot buffer. You can see there's no work being proposed in the 50 foot buffer zone.
We've got an erosion control barrier of uh waddles uh around the uh entire work area. Uh this system is a presby system. It's an IA system. Uh so it's afforded a a smaller footprint uh than a conventional system which is part of the
reason why we choose it in this kind of application to minimize the amount of work that would have to occur uh in that uh in the buffer zone. Uh typically we show uh over here this is what a conventional system would look like. uh
you can see that the grading for that system will end up way down into the 50- foot buffer and almost into the 30 foot uh no disturb zone uh close not quite into it. So uh this kind of shows why we would choose uh to do a presby system.
Uh you can see it's a lot uh smaller footprint and takes up a lot less area. Uh so we show the erosion control uh barriers that'll be in place until everything is stabilized and then then it'll be removed uh once project is complete and stabilized.
Any questions? Do we have any questions for members of the commission? Is there D number? There is yes notes and there's no notes on this one. So um yeah 208-1356
and no technical comments. I do have a we did a sitewalk here over the weekend. Um I do have some pictures. This one it seems very straightforward. So let me just share my screen though and share those pictures just so you for
your so you can see it. Yes. Mhm. And I'm sharing. Do you need me to stop? Does that help? Oh, there we go. Just take it over. Yeah. Um, so this is the this is it looks like it's going around right here
on the property. Um, the house is over there. It's pretty big flat area and um it's really the only area that made sense that we could see in the yard. So, appears to be very straightforward.
Um, do we have any questions from members of the public? I remember this time It does not appear that we do. Okay. So, I think I'd be looking for a motion to approve. So, moved. Second.
All right. Chris with the motion. And Teddy with a second. Okay. Roll call vote. Teddy Ducet. I. Andrea Bernap. I. Chris St. Germaine. Hi. And I for myself. Um motion approves
unanimously. Uh thank you so much. Okay. Thank you very much and done sharing my screen. So have a good night. Right. Good night. Okay. Up next, um, we have pursuant to MGL
chapter 131 section 40 in the town of Lunenberg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws, a public hearing on a notice of intent by the town of Lunenburgg for the use of hand harvesting, diver assisted suction harvesting, herbicides, and algicides to manage the growth of non-native aquatic
plants and prevent the growth of algae blooms in Lake Wham. The project will address utrification, improve aquatic habitats that support fish and wildlife species and restore the natural capacity of the resource area to protect the interest identified in the wetlands
protection act. Do we have the um applicant which is the town or the representative on the meeting? Hi Matt Ladwig from TRC. I'm here uh representing the applicant which is the
town of Lindenburgg. Hey, let me I believe the applicant is also on the call. And is that Chris Ruth? That is correct. And Jenny Karen Manard from the park commission is here as well. Okay, great. Um I'm just going to make you all
co-host just in case there's anything you want to share. Yeah, I'll go ahead and uh share my screen. Okay, great. All right. Can everybody see that? Can. Great.
Uh, yeah. So, uh, this is, uh, Lake Wham. Um, map that you're seeing right now is a map of aquatic plant cover in the lake that we, uh, developed from a survey that we did in June of this year.
Um the colors on this map uh range from blue which is open water to red which is really high density plants. Um and then the green, yellow and orange categories are in between. Um our area of focus uh for tonight's conversation is the town
beach area which is up here at the north end of the lake. Um as you can see there are patches of red and orange and a little bit of green and yellow out in front of the beach. Um and obviously this is an area that's used for swimming by the public. Um the plants that are
growing in this area are non-native species uh with high biomass. So they produce a lot of stems and leaves in the water column um and basically create a safety issue there uh swimming at the beach. Um the plants involved are uh two
non-native mil foils. So, Eurasian mil foil and variable leaf mil foil as well as a species called curly leaf pondweed. Um the lake is listed by mass D as an impaired water body uh category 4C for
non-native species. So, um these species have been known about for a while um and obviously they uh impair the use of uh this area here for swimming. So, we worked with the applicant to pull together a proposed management program
um for Lake Wham. Again, focusing primarily on this area here in front of the beach for now. Um the the uh management approaches that we're proposing to use uh are handh harvesting as you mentioned. Um because of the fact that these are submerged aquatic plant
species most likely will be divers um and due to some of the volumes that we may need to re remove um we may use a system called dash which is diver assisted suction harvesting. So really the only difference between that and diver harvesting is diver harvesting the
divers go down pull up the plants bring them up to the surface each time they have a handful of plants in a bag um and then put them on a boat or walk them out onto the beach. Uh with the divers suction harvesting is a more efficient process. So they actually can they still
have to pull the plants by hand from the bottom of the lake. Um but they did just feed them into the suction tube and then that carries the plants up onto the uh the vessel top side um to deposit the plants and let them do water there so they are can be more efficient in uh
continuing to pull the plants at the bottom of the lake. Um so those are sort of the physical uh methods that we would uh propose for controlling plant growth in this area. We've also proposed um a couple of herbicides
um for use um both of which are pretty effective on or very effective actually on on the target species that I mentioned. Um the first one is Pcelicore and that is a systemic herbicide uh approved by uh EPA and registered in
Massachusetts for aquatic use. um is primarily used for controlling mil foils because it can be used at a very low dose uh and essentially not affect any other plants and only take out the mil foil. So it's a really good um tool for
these these two species of mil foil that we have in the lake. Um the other herbicide is a a broader spectrum contract sorry contact herbicide. Um usually uh known by as by its trade name
is tribune or reward. Um and that is uh what we would need to use uh to uh control curly leaf pondweed which is not susceptible to pcelicore. um if we wanted to control that at a significant significant level and couldn't control
it with uh diver harvesting. Um so those are kind of like the two chemical uh tools that we are proposing to put in our tool belt for aquatic plant control. And then a third tool that we're proposing to have as part of the management program is um alicides. And
it's not known right now whether we would actually need to apply these. Um, but since we're proposing to do aquatic plant control and this is a swim beach and a lot of other ponds uh across the state have had issues with uh harmful algo blooms closing down beaches. We
just wanted to be proactive and have that tool at hand uh in case it's needed in the future. Um, so those are kind of the three tools that we're looking at uh using here. Again, the the first two are really to control plants. The third would just be sort of as needed um if
algae did become an issue here. Um and we don't know if we'll even need to use that, but rather be prepared than not. Um because this is a aquatic management plan and as you can see the the lake is pretty full of aquatic plants uh
including um the non-native species that are they're pretty well distributed across the lake. Um, this is going to be a project that kind of has to be ongoing. Um, so we are requesting a five-year order of conditions and that's
possible um just to allow maximum flexibility to actually be able to uh enact this program over time. And that's uh my presentation. Um turn it back to you for any questions.
Thank you. Um, so for the suction hand pulling, um, and that's going to focus on those three species, and it's just going to be those three species listed that we that you discussed, right?
And if we're hand pulling and removing those, and this is, you know, specifically in the beach area, um, what would why would we move on to the herbicide if we're going to be hand pulling these species?
Well, so I guess the the answer is you'd want to have both tools. Um, I think the town's going to try to um start with the hand harvesting and see how effective that can be. In past experience, it, you know, if you're working in dense uh plant beds,
um it can take several days to clear an acre and then you'd have to come back the next year and do the same hopefully at a lower density. Um but um it's it's a good tool for clearing small areas, I guess, is is the point that I'm trying
to make. And as things get kind of maybe if they get too far out of control or they're too dense, um the chemical option is a better one for that. Okay. And then so um if I if I may add a comment, this is Chris Ruth. Um
part of it too is the suction harvesting is significantly more expensive. So what we're trying to do is clean up the areas really well with the the hand suction harvesting where you know the swim lessons are. We we've had kids coming out of the water with leeches during
swim lessons. So it was really the initial plan was to handh harvest and then maintain with herbicides as we need to or or have all the options because it's it's a huge cost to the taxpayers to do all this. Okay. And then um when uh an herbicide
is applied and it's going to be like a targeted application the lake will be shut down I'm assuming for the day or day to make sure that there's no movement. So distributing it around or what's the plan?
So typically the applicator would um post the lake for the day. There's technically no requirement to shut the lake down um in fact you know can't really close the boat launch um because it is a public launch but it will be
posted and recommended that um recreation be uh avoided for that day. There's no label requirement for that. is just sort of um standard practice in Massachusetts. And really, it's mainly to keep people out of the way while the
um applicators are doing their job. So, obviously, you wouldn't have them applying the herbicides when people are swimming at the swim at the swim beach. Um so, it's just kind of standard practice. Um a concern though is movement. So, you
know, say the herbicide is applied and then somebody comes by with their boat and then because where it's a targeted application, if somebody comes in with their boat right after it's applied and just brings it all over the lake, it's not going to be very effective.
I didn't realize that we wouldn't be able to shut down the boat launch when this happens. If if I can add to this, um, we would shut down the town beach for that. You know, the plan would obviously be before after the swim season starts, but we we don't have any authority to shut the
lake down. I guess I would ask I know they use these herbicides on Hickory Hills and I think Lake Shirley as well. So I just kind of curious as to what they do. Hey, I mean from what's when Solitude comes before us, they know I know
Shirley Shirley does have a public boat launch, but that is controlled I think by the um the campground that's there. And then Hickory Hills, they don't have a public boat launch. So when they do
the herbicide treatments, they typically stop all movement on the lake. So I live on Lake Wham. Um, I live far away from the public beach, but you know, when a boat goes by, the waves are just everywhere. So, um, and I've live I lived on a lake
before this in Framingham, and when they did this, they would shut down and half of it was in Ashland and half of it was in Framingham, but they would shut the lake down for the day just because any movement is just going to it's going to make it kind of useless if you're
putting in herbicides and then it doesn't you don't get that targeted treatment. and then it's not really going to do anything. Well, let me just jump in here because I think the two that we're using have a very short contact time that's required. So, um it's understood by the applicator
that the herbicides are not just going to stay exactly in the place where they're putting them. They do break down pretty quickly anyway. They have a pretty short halflife. Um, but it I guess the success of the treatment for these particular herbicides is not we're
not anticipating it will be impacted at all by boat traffic, wind, anything like that. Um, I think the applicator would avoid going out on a really bad weather day obviously, but um, other than that um, there's really no practical con
concern for dilution of the of the herbicide and having it not be effective. Um when when is the plan for this to happen? Do we have a a date already in mind or
So we don't have a a date in mind. Um I've been have been trying to get this permitted for almost two years struggling with previous contractors. So our thoughts are really um depending on approval um this year. We may do something in the fall, but it all
depends on when the leaves start growing. the the beach is typically open during summer vacation, so that's our priority to have it in the best condition at that point. Okay. Um, do we have any questions for members
of the commission? Yes. Okay. Um Teddy, um you may have already answered this, but how does this project um address the utrification? Is it just that it has a short halflife and
it only affects certain species? So the utrification has to do with excessive plant growth and um growth of exotic non-native species. So it's addressing that part of it.
Um, and to some extent the handh harvesting pulls a small amount of nutrients out when you remove the the biomass. Um, but that's going to be pretty small uh compared to the size of Lake Wham. So, okay. And then I had another question.
What was the um name of the herbicide again? There was Priscilla and what was the other one? I didn't quite catch it. Um, it has different trade names, but the two most common are Tribune and Reward. All right. Thank you. And we included the labels in the
application. So if you um want to dive into the details that that info is in there. Great. It looks like is tribune also an algicide. Um it's not primarily used that way. It may have some impact on algae, but it's
not really primarily used that way. Okay. Or it won't be for this project. It looks like it says tribune is a fast acting herbicide and algicide that desiccates plant tissue on contact. Um, all right Chris St. Germaine, you
have a question. Yeah, I was just wondering I mean I can look at the list but I've heard that some herbicides can have contaminants like PFAS. Do you know if these have been looked at for contaminants? These herbicides, have you have they been vetted? Yeah, I mean they they've been vetted.
they've been approved in not only by EPA but uh through the process in Massachusetts. Okay. So, and Pcellor is a really really new one that's only been out in the market for just a few years in Massachusetts. So, um you know it had had to go through
probably a more complicated process than a lot of herbicides in the past. Okay, great. Thank you. So, um I see that iPad has their hand raised. Are you a member of the public? Yes, I am. Um, so I'm just going to have you hold
your comment until I ask for members of the public comments. Thank you. Public comments or comments on this hearing? Um, comments on this hearing. So, we're only taking comments on this hearing right now. Yeah. But right now, we're we're strictly on the commission and then we'll move on to
members of the public. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Um, so for the boat launch that's that that's in Lemonster, right? Correct. And then but it's but it's owned by the state. It's controlled by the state. The
whole lake is controlled by the state. Most of it's in Lunenburgg. A little bit of is it in of it is in Lemonster. And does Lemonster also have anything to do with this or is it just Lunenburgg is only going through Lunenburgg just
because the whole area is in Lunenburgg. No, actually we're going to be filing in Lemonster as well and um as part of the butter notification since there were uh butters on the Lemonster side. They've already received notification for this hearing too. So um
we haven't we haven't filed yet in Lemonster, but that's pending. Okay. What was the a butter because I feel like a butters in Lemonster would be pretty far from this property there where butter was notified from Lemonster.
Um there are some along the southwestern shoreline right near the boat launch. Okay. Um do we have any question any other questions for members of the commission? It's not up here. So, I'm going to move
on to questions from members of the public. Um, iPad 2, can you state your name and your address? Sure. Anna Lockwood, 91 Main Street. Um, so a couple things. Um, when just as a
uh couple uh comments and then I I'll have a question. Uh when lake surely does their application they recommend people to not get out but although that is a public launch that they can close um it is not the same as Hickory Hills
I'm not sure if like for example not everyone in Lake Shirley participates on on you know the revenue model that they have to participate on the lake so I don't think that they they are able to completely shut down the lake I think they ask residents not to uh the area
where they will be applying these u herbicides is actually a very secluded area that is you know corded off for swimming. Um and as a former parks commissioner and someone who been who
was on the commission trying to you know getting the revenue getting the some funding for this project I'm very excited that you know we finally are in a place to do this. The town beach has been around and serving the public in
Lunberg for well over 50 years and um and you know this is unfortunately the first time we are having to do a treatment um and you know the biggest concern is safety um if a child goes underneath it's it it's more difficult
for a lifeguard to see it spot and and bring them up. So I I ask you guys to you know really think about the safety of our residents as you continue your discussion. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Do we have any other comments from
members of the public? I'm not seeing any. And um as far as asking for a 5-year order of conditions versus the typical three-year order of conditions,
um what would the ramifications be if we were to just say a three-year order of conditions? Would we have to that would mean that the the town would have to go obviously through the uh NOI process again? Um, it feels tough
to approve something for 5 years, not seeing what the results are. Um, um, I can jump in on that one. Our only goal was, we're hoping for the five purely because of, you know, how much I struggle with a previous contractor. I won't say who it
is because I know they work in town. Um, but the just the cost of the town, every time I need a consultant to come in front of you, it's costing taxpayers between $5 to $10,000. So, that's the only reason we'd ask for five. Okay. So,
um, and five is is I guess just from my experience, five is fairly standard for these kinds of projects because we're not, you know, developing a parcel or building anything that's a discrete project. It's kind of an ongoing
management program. And so I think that's another reason why I would uh suggest it's a a little bit different than your typical application. Okay. Um Chris, I was actually going to ask you a question, but I see you have your hand up.
Yeah, I I would imagine that um like the other lakes, they'll do annual reports. So I don't really have a problem with the five-year. I think it's I think there's no obviously mal intent here. So, I I I feel com I don't have I don't personally don't have reservations on the 5-year.
Okay. Um but that is a good point. I was just going to ask you if you had any question if you had any just having been through so many of these um while you're on the commission. That is a good point about the annual report. Do you provide an annual report like the other lakes?
We the other lakes use a company called Solitude. Um and they provide an annual report to us. Do you also do that? contract to do it right now. But um Chris, go ahead. I think I say um um these guys are the consultants. They don't actually do the treatment work. So, whoever we hire to
do the treatment will we'll make sure that they provide reports annually to the conservation commission. Okay. I I can't I can't hide from the agent. Her office is directly above mine. Okay. And and that was in the application, too. You know, there's a little blurb
about the monitoring program. Obviously, if you're treating plants, you have to know where they are and whether what you did was effective. So, that's just got to be a part of the program. Yeah. Jenny, um they actually usually have a special meeting because they they take so long. It's very it's very
detailed and um thorough. So, yeah, I think we're good. Okay. Um I see Jay Simeone, you have your hand up. Can you state your um address for us? Uh 362 Sunset Lane in Lunenburgg. I live
on Lake Shirley. Yes. Uh Lake Shirley does close the lake for the day. Shady Point Campground, which has the boat launch, closes for the day. We advertise heavily. We have good cooperation for the residents and the
lake is closed to all activity for the day. It's my understanding part of that the purpose is for this subservice treatment for the chemical to actually settle and attach to the plant. Um
and my other question is is this the actual weed treatment map? Are we are they treating the whole lake or they just treating the beach area? Yeah, the f the focus is on the beach area for now. That's kind of the uh the
driver of the project. We did map uh plants throughout the lake just so we have a good baseline idea of where they are and can track that over time. Okay. And then as far as not being able to close down the boat launch, is that
just like a hard and fast rule or is that something that we could reach out to the state for to do in conjunction somehow? I just I'd be happy to reach out to the state as well as um Lemonster because they technically control the boat ramp, but
with no association on Whamm. We have, you know, no authority. We can ask people, but we can't tell someone that has their own boat, you can't use it in front of your house. You know what I mean? It's, you know, like Lake Shirley, I'm sure, has an association that they, you know, the members of that certainly are going to listen, but it's it's a
challenge. I'm happy to do the best we can. I just don't know that we have the authority. It would be it would fall under the association to enforce that if there was one. Obviously, there's not one on Lake um Lake Wham. Um
but will there be notifications to people who live on Lake Wham that, you know, I think that everybody that lives on this lake, being one being myself, is aware of the plants that are on the lake. Um you know, we don't love it. And
I think that if somebody were to say, "Hey, we're going to do an herbicide treatment and we really need you to make sure that the lake is as still as possible." Um, I think that people would be happy to, you know, do that for a day. But
will there be any notifications of that sort or um what my thought was would we post on the town website as well as the town social media um to get the get the word out that way. Um you know another
certified abutters list is possible but it's you know just the postage alone could be another $500 to do that you know each time. So, you know, looking at tax dollars, I would rather just go with the, you know, the website and the social media.
Okay. Um Jason Simeone, you have your hand up again. Yes. When are they looking to do this um this work? The time frame doesn't sound like there is a a set date. Um, looks like maybe they're looking for the fall
after the It looks like It looks like you're doing after the beach closes for the That's correct. The The beach closes on Saturday. Uh, we actually were just able to reopen it because of the um bacteria counts. But the um the plan
would be either in the fall if we were approved in time. I just I didn't know if we would be approved or not. Um and then if not, it would be in the springtime before the beach opens up. is when we would attack it. And you know, my understanding is, you know, each weed has a, you know, early June, whatever
they come out, you kind of have to time it with when they're growing. Jay, you still have your hand. Is that is that is that for the suction harvesting or is that for the chemical treatment? Um, that would be for both. I think depending on the growth and when we have
approvals and my contract is available, I may not even start this until the spring. Um, you know, just like I said, where the beach is closing, you know, how much money do we want to sink into this year versus getting it ready for next year? Yeah. Generally, when we do chemical
treatment, it's usually beginning of July when when the weeds are are growing. Yeah. I had no intention of the chemical treatment this season. It would be next season for sure. Okay. And usually um you know when we do
chemical treatment DP has flyers that we have to post around the lake. Yeah. Yeah. That's my experience. My last done by the uh the treatment contractor. They'll they'll post the lake. Um I know in Lake Shirley we the
association handles it. Okay. Um, is that your only is that the rest of your questions? Okay, Christine Germaine, Jenny, I think you can still we could probably still as a town post that and know they can't enforce it, but I think most people that are on the lake are
going to are going to, you know, abide by it, knowing that, you know, why they're doing it. So, I I wouldn't get too hung up on the on people, you know, tearing up the lake when they when they do the application. I think people will be mostly respectful of the of the It's posted and they're
aware of it. That's the that's the issue cuz I mean I live on this lake and people go like 60 m an hour across this lake and you can see like the there the waves on this lake are unbelievable. Um you can ask the town to put one of those signs, you know, those flashing signs.
You can put it right up there so they could see it. You could talk to the town about it. I mean, like they said, it's going to be an expensive application, so they should they should definitely um Right. I'd hate to see the money wasted. Right. Right. You know, because one boat goes through and or jet ski their jet
skiis, right? Yeah. Um Okay. So, all right. Um and we don't have any so this is basic this is all you know reactive. There's no plan to pitch because the boat launches in Lemonster. You know, a big part of this is that boats come in and
they bring their plants in on their engines. So, we're not going to There's nothing in this about trying to prevent that. It's more just reacting to what's already there. That's correct. Again, we have we have zero control whatsoever of the boat ramp
as far as Lunberg is concerned. Okay. Okay. Um, do we have any other questions from members of the commission, members of the public? Okay. So, I think um I'd be looking for a motion to approve. Um but I would like
to put conditions that um there is an annual report uh you know showing what was done and seeing showing any progress like the other lakes do.
Did any other commissioners have any thoughts on that or anything they'd like to add? I I agree with that and move I approve with those conditions. So moved. Second.
Okay. Um, roll call vote. Teddy Ducet. I. Chris St. Germaine. I. Andrea Bernett. I. And I for myself. And there is an approval um with the special condition that there be an annual report showing
what was done um in the previous period and what the plan is for the upcoming period and any progress that we've seen. Does that work? Oh, that we approved it. So that sounds great. Thank you very much. All right. Thank you very much who
participated. Have a great night. All right. Um, moving on to pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 in the town of Lunenburgg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws, a
public hearing on a request for determinate determination of applicability by Richard Pekquette for the construction of an artezian well in between the 30ft and 50ft buffer zone. Previous water was connected to Fitchburg and now needs to be in
Lunenburgg. Um, this is at 1178 Northfield Road. Do we have the applicant or their representative on the call? Yes, if you can hear me. This is Richard Pette. Can you hear me? I can. Okay. Um, we're we're trying to drill an
artisian well and we are uh next to the wetlands. The well will be about 50 feet from the wetlands with are flagged that are flagged. And the um the trench going to the house goes about 30 ft away from
the wetlands. And um the um the septic system is 115 ft from the um from the well. And this is the really the only place on the entire lot
where we can drill a well. And originally originally the house was um uh the house next door to us which was in Fitsburg was owned by my grandmother. So when my mother and father built the house they just ran a pipe from my
grandmother's basement to their basement and for 75 years they shared the bill for the water bill. Um and now that the house is going to be put up for sale, we have to the Fitchburg refused to run a
line into Lunberg and um so we naturally we need to drill an artisian well. Okay. Um do you have anything that you would like to share with us or would you like me to share anything for you? Um I do have a site plan that I
could bring up if you'd like me to. Yes, you can bring the site plan up if you can. Okay. me share my screen. [Music] Zoom just freaked out on me. There we go. Okay, so um
Oh, there it is. Yeah. So, um I do remember we had uh on your property we were out there not that long ago for the septic, right? That's correct. And as you can see, the um the um the well is 60 ft
from the street um 50 ft to the wetlands and then the trench that goes to the house will be about 30 ft from the wetlands. And we have our straw waddle in place and it's staked. So, it's kind of all set to go. We just need the uh
go-ahad from the conservation commission. Okay. Um do we have any I'm going to pull up. I have a And of course we have the permit from the showa. Okay.
So, and then this is a we were out on a sitewalk this weekend. Um and then this is the area, right? There's the straw bottle. Yep. Okay. Do we have any questions from members of the commission?
Well, that's a good sign. Chris has a question. Yes. I I was wondering how deep is the well going to be? Well, when they start to drill the well, we hope it in the in this area, um the wells have been going about 180 feet deep, but we never know. Yeah. Yeah. They
start to drill. All right. Do we have any other questions for members of the commission? Do we have any comments from members of the public? Okay. Um, this one it's pretty straightforward. Oh, Chris. Yeah, J. The only thing I'm concerned
about is if if he doesn't go deep enough, it could actually affect the wetlands. So, I'm just hoping it's I hope it's not a shallow well. I mean, I know he can't tell me, but I I I've heard that artisian wells can actually impact wetlands. though. Um I mean of
course I need your water. I well in in the um the houses in the area as I live here and I built houses in the we were going down roughly 180 to 200 feet. Okay. Um, I'm sure that I've never heard
of a of a the well would have to go down 10 feet or 20 feet to affect the Well, I don't I've never even heard of an artisian well going that shallow, you know, but Okay. Yeah. Um, I'm just uh
looking this up. Okay. The issue is is this, you know, like you said that it's probably going to go deep. If it was a shallow well, like like I used to live on I used to live on a lake. My in-laws lived on a lake and they had this really shallow well in the backyard. I'm not saying that that's
what you're going to have. I just know if it's shallow, it could impact. But like if if your surrounding neighbors are going deep like that, then we should be okay. Right. And when they're drilling an artisian well, I understand that um the first casing goes down until they hit
ledge. Okay. So, it's a steel casing uh as far as they have to go um down to hit ledge and then beyond that they're just drilling. So, um a steel casing going down to ledge pretty well seals the artisian
well. Otherwise, the the wetlands could go into the well, I suppose. Oh, that's a point, too. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I have no fur further questions, Jenny. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Um, do we have any other questions?
Okay. Um, and thank you for all that, Chris. Do uh I think I'd be looking for a motion to approve. Do I have a motion? So moved. Second. Okay, Chris with the motion. and Teddy with the second. Uh, roll call vote.
Teddy, do you I Oh, sorry. Wait, hold on. Um, I'd be looking for a negative determination. This is an RDA. So, um, motion to
approve a negative determination or to negatively determine. So moved. Second. Thank you. Um, roll call. Chris St. Germaine I Teddy Det I Andrea Berna
I and I for myself. Okay. So that is a negative determination which means that um there's nothing else that you have to do with the commission. And do I need any uh to pick up any
paperwork or special permit from the office or No. The the Yep. We we've it's a negative determination which means that um it's not applicable to anything that is under a jurisdiction. So you're free to you
know you don't need a special permit for it. All right. Very good. We thank you. Thanks so much. Have a great night. Okay. Thanks. Explain that correctly. But okay. Um, up next,
pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 in the town of Lunenberg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws, we have a public hearing on a request for determination of applicability by John Trainer for the replacement of a failing deck. Um, it's the only egress from the
pro from the home between the 30 foot and 50ft buffer zone. Do we have the applicant or the representative on the meeting? I, John Trainer, am the applicant and I'm here.
Okay. Um, let me There you go. All right. I am going to make you a co-host in case there's anything that you would like to share. Um, would you like to go over the project with us or share? I don't have anything to share, but I'd be happy to just sort of explain what
the project is. Um, state your address first, John. 10 105 Horizon Island Road in Lunenburgg. Thank you, Chris. Sure. And I I did submit a plan where the the builder who is present submitted a plan with the building inspector. So, there is something on
file, but so it's an existing deck that's 35 years old or so, and it's the only way in or out of my house, and it's getting to be in rough shape, and all I really want to do is replace what's there with something that's new and
maintenancefree. Um and at the expense that I'm going through, it would be better to start with um foundations and um support structure that is to
current code cuz what is there right now is not to current code. So it would mean um digging five new sauna tube holes and filling them with concrete. Um, so I it is I I am surrounded by water where I
live. I just had a septic system replaced a year and a half ago. Um, and um, it was quite an ordeal to get that done. Um, and so really it's just a matter of um, you know, the three or 4 days it's going to take to dig the
holes, get them inspected, and get them filled with concrete is the only time that the soil is going to be disturbed. And we're happy to put something like straw waddles around the 35 feet that it takes to protect it. Um, I was reading up about silk fences. I don't really
think a silk fence is a great idea. I know from when they did the septic system and they were grading in that area, they really couldn't go down into the ground at all because it was there's a massive oak tree there. There's some big pine trees and they were hitting roots and um you have to dig a trench to
put the silt fence in. Um, I don't really think there's a great risk of a lot of silt or earthn material getting into the lake. As soon as they're finished with the the foundation, um, I'll mulch everything so
it all stays in place. Any questions? So, I'm just looking at Let me share my screen. I'm going to pull up the site plan or the deck plan. Okay. Um
so this is the plan and this is exactly the same footprint as what exists right now, right? Yes. Okay. Um, and then I have some pictures that I took while we were out on site, maybe.
Okay. So, this is the um part portion of the deck that's closest to the water. Yes. And then this is the portion of the deck that's furthest away from the water. Um, well, the water kind of goes around like this. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, basically, I'm
surrounded by 700 ft of waterfront. I before the septic system was replaced, I was an island cuz there was a culvert under the driveway. So, it's really hard to not be, you know, everything I do, I'm within
almost the 50 foot zone. Yeah. Um, my entire property is within the 100 foot, so I know how that is. Um, okay. So, do we have any questions from
members of the commission? Now, is this is this from when the septic was done? Yes, that's the asbuilt for the septic system. And um the blue line is the shoreline of Hickory Hills Lake
um okay right oh wow and um so you know we would protect that I guess it's actually the east side it's the upper part of the map with some kind of stroll waddle or something while the earth is disturbed when they're working
on the deck I mean that line where your cursor is is where the um siltation barrier was when they were doing the construction. And right in that section you were is the last of the grading that they had to do to to take water away
from the house. And and they really couldn't scrape anything right there. It was it's um it's pretty it's taken me a year to get anything to grow back in that area. Okay. Okay. So, do we have any me questions to members of the commission?
Sorry if I missed it. What um material will you be using for the deck? The materials? Yeah. I mean, the the substructure is going to be pressuret treated lumber to code and then the um the decking itself is going
to be um uh a PVC composite. Okay. Yep. I'm getting too old to do maintenance on my deck. Yeah. Okay. So, did we It doesn't seem like we have any questions from members of the
commission. Do we have any questions from members of the public? It does not appear that we do. Okay. So, um I would be looking for a negative determination. Do I have a motion?
So, moved. Second. Okay. Um roll call vote. Teddy Ducet I. Andrea Bernout I. Chris St. Germaine. I
and I for myself. All right. Um we will a negative determination. So that means you are able to move forward with your project. All right. Thank you all very much. Enjoy your new tech. I hope to. Thank you. Okay.
Now we are moving on to continued public hearings. Um, pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 in the town of Lunenburgg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws, we have a public hearing on a notice of intent
by Tanner Cole for construction of a common driveway to service for single family dwellings to be served by private wells and an on-site sewage disposal systems involving the crossing of a bordering vegetated wetland in two locations with all proposed dwellings and private driveways outside the 100t
buffer zone. Do we have the applicant or their representative on the meeting? Yes, Madam Chair. Ryan Proctor with Dulles and Rory. Okay, welcome again. Thank you again. And then you are still a co-host, so you should be able to share.
Okay. I actually don't have anything to share immediately. Um I just had a quick update. We did receive the proposals back for the peer review that the commission had requested. Um Herurland had sent over a quote from Graves Engineering, Ecotech and BSC Group um
all for the review of the uh wetland crossings and wetland area resources on the property. I believe the commission has to vote on this. I would just express the uh applicant's preference on these if the commission is is agreeable um would be to go with Graves
Engineering for two reasons. uh one they were the most economical um but two and more importantly they have they are familiar with the site as they are currently peer reviewing the project as part of the planning board stormwater permit and site plan review process. Um so they've already seen the site,
they've seen the site plans, they're familiar with the property. Um so that that would be the applicant's preference. Um provided the commission is agreeable to that. Um so that that's all I have right now. Um if there's any questions I'd be happy to take them. Okay. Um,
so as far as that goes, I think I would be looking for Ecotech. Um, I don't Graves is not typically environmental. Okay. Design. Um, but again, I'm just one I'm
just one member. So that would be you said it was Graves, Ecotech, and who was the third? Uh, BSC group. Okay. Okay. And they came back with the very high uh Yes. Yep. So, Ecotech would be our number two if we had
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, I think I would I would prefer Eco Cheek just because I think it would make sense to in my opinion not actually have the same person doing that, the same um vendor doing the peer review uh
for this as for the planning board. Um but again, that's just me. So, uh, do we have any comments on that from members of the commission? I would follow your lead on this, Jenny. Okay.
Ditto. Okay. So, um, I think we would vote on who to move forward with. Uh, so I would have a I would be looking for a
motion to move forward with Ecote Tech as the Does this sound right or am I doing this right? Yeah. No, I think you're fine. Yeah. Okay. All right. So, a motion to um approve or move forward with Ecote Tech as the vendor for the peer review. Do I
have a motion? So moved. Second. Okay. Roll call vote. Teddy Ducet. I. Andrea Bernup. Hi. Chris St. Germaine. Hi. And I for myself. So, Ecote Techch will
be the vendor for the peer review. And then the other thing that you wanted to do was continue. Yes, please. Yep. Okay. Then that would be Would you like be looking to continue until September 3rd or would you like to push it out a little bit further to wait for the peer review? Yeah, let's let's go with the third if
you don't mind. um to be optimistic and then if we if we happen to not have anything, we'll just request a continuance again. Yeah, makes sense. Okay. So, I'm looking for a motion to continue to um September 3rd, 2025. So moved. Second.
Okay. Um roll call vote. Teddy Det I. Andrea Bernap I. Chris Andermaine. I. And I for myself. Okay. We will see you September 3rd hopefully. All right. Thank you so much. Have a good night.
You too. Okay. Um up next pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 in the town of Lenberg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws. We have a public hearing on a notice of intent by Shawn Pharaoh for the construction of
two landscape replacement walls, placement of two removable decks, and replenishment of beach sand within the 100 foot, 50 foot, and 30 foot buffer zone of a wetland resource area on Lake Shirley. Do we have the applicant or their representative on the line? Uh, good evening, Madam Chair. Matt Marl
representing Sean Faroh. Um, if I could share my screen. Absolutely. Let me There you go. Okay. Thank you. Uh okay. This was uploaded to your portal last week. I believe actually last
Thursday. Uh when we last left off, the commission asked for two final things on the plan. That was to remove the stone here that he had proposed adding and to remove this dock. That was basically it. So, I had those removed and I had those sent back to the
portal with the newly revised plan. Okay. So, so we're just replacing the wall to where the water just to where it exists. Just to where it exists. Any any like the NOI was originally for this wall and
to replace these existing areas here. Yeah. Okay. And then this two docks. That's correct. Well, yeah. This one is retroactive. This one was pre-existing. He wanted to add a third one here. You guys said historically there were two
docs, so we're just going to leave it with two docs. Okay. Um, do we have any questions or are you all set, Matt, or do you have anything else you'd like to add? No, that that's it. Um I had the commission had asked for changes on the details on the plans. So I had all that
put in um as the commission requested and then Mr. Pharaoh had asked about maybe adding this to the scope of the work. The commission said no. Um and they wanted this dock taken off. So that's what we did. So that's it basically.
Great. Um do we have any questions from members of the commission? Yeah, I'm sorry. Um, are we saying we're I'm just I'm just not following you, Matt. So, are you saying that you're not doing something? Are what what's what was the change? Can you just help me
help me out again with this? Okay. So, Commissioner, the last time we were here, my client had asked as asked me to add a section of new wall here, right, where he had a slope with junipers on here. Yeah. Yeah. Um, the commission said no because it went within the 30 foot zone.
Yeah. and you asked me to remove it. At the same time, the original NOI also had a third dock here which was still on the plans. The commission decided they didn't want a third dock in the water. Yeah. No, it's not the dock part. So that that dot that black dotted line is
showing that it doesn't exist anymore. That's the actual 100year flood elevation that Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Got it. Thank you. Yep. Thanks, Chris. Okay. Okay. Do we have any other questions from members of the
commission? Do we have any questions from members of the public? All right. Um I think I'd be looking for a motion to approve. This is what we asked for. So moved. Second. No.
Roll call vote. Teddy Ducet. I. Chris Germaine. Hi, Andrea Bernap. Hi. And I for myself. All right. Approve. Hey, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much. Thanks. Have a good night, Matt.
Hey, thanks. You too, guys. Okay. Um, up next we have administrative determinations. We have uh 167 Towns and Harbor Road. Do we have the um property owner or the
resident on the call? Yes, I'm on the call. Okay, let me um I'm just going to pull this up and open gov and see what Harland's notes are. And then if there's anything you would like, let me give you the ability to
share. And can you state your name and your address? Steve Wright, 167 Towns and Harbor Road. Okay. I uploaded I uploaded any of the requested documentation. I mean, I guess in a nutshell, if you took a aerial
picture of the of the property, you could just barely see a house is it would be the only thing you could see. Um, I purchased the house 10 months ago, so I'm again not entirely familiar with the processes or how things work here in
um Massachusetts or Lenberg. Um, but you know, I guess the, you know, the issue at hand is I acquired a property that had a lot needs a lot of cleanup, right? So, I had mold problems, some pretty severe carpenter infestations from all the decaying wood. Um, and worst of all,
I the house was deemed uninsurable by all state because um, they're really at the crossroads where they get so many property damage related to trees, they just didn't want to insure the house at all. So, I was actually without insurance for, you know, over a month.
Um, when I, um, brought out a tree expert, um, to my surprise, he not only recommended taking down the three that are dead, um, but an additional 16. Just uh, you know, about half of those
are just like half dead, you know, so they're hollow or compromised at the at the, you know, the base of the tree and are imminently going to fall or cause some damage. and the other were just like, you know, ones that are, you know, present significant risk to the house or
neighboring structures. That's not my house. I know. I'm trying to get rid of some of these tabs cuz uh Okay. Open gov opens in a new tab every detachment that you open. And uh I was getting a little out of hand there. So, so I want to go back to just, you know,
a bit in a nutshell. There's 54 trees in total on the property. Okay. 54. You said 54. Yes. So, um, let me just read. So, Harlon has notes. Several mature trees on the property show significant decline,
structural instability, or dangerous lean toward the applicant's home, neighboring properties, and accessory structures. Work is within or near the buffer zone to a resource area. Removal of hazard trees and trimming is recommended with stumps to remain in place and low impact methods used to
avoid buffer zone disturbance. And um I guess I'm sorry pictures. Oh yeah, but you my preference is that um like I said the house is the house and the property has let been let go for a significant time. My preference is that it's going to be
very expensive because it's going to be a lot of labor um to haul everything out and for have you know somebody climb and do all that work. Um my preference is just to kind of not just tear the band-aid off a little bit is to do it right. So, I'm not coming back next year
and the year after. Um, you know, just from a pure economic standpoint. Okay. So, and it's 19 trees total, but you have 54 on the property. Yes. Okay. Let me uh go through. Like I said
it, you know, three of them are clearly dead. About half of the other 16 are I think they're I marked it up on the actual map like was requested as well. This that I just called up. No. No. One of the follow-ups was that I put it
on the um Is it a PowerPoint? No, it was a it was this the the actual map that you guys wanted it on. I I'm sorry if I don't remember the name of it. So, I have a diagram and then I have a
map and additional that's probably it. It says it's a PowerPoint though. Di All right, we got a nice presentation here. We don't see. So, let me uh get out of the way. There we go. And then let me move this out of
the way for myself. Okay. So, we have a little narrative. I'm not seeing a PowerPoint. You're not seeing it? No. Oh, hold on. Let me let me change my screen. Uh PowerPoint.
How is that? Do you have a PowerPoint now? Black screen. Hold on. Maybe it's taking a second to come up. There we go. Got it. Okay. All right. So, um battle with all state over cancellation of home insurance. Ability to control our current carpenter
ant issues. Imminent risk of property damage to home and neighboring properties. Acorn drop is significant and long-term safety for homes. And then this is a picture of so green are healthy trees,
black are dead trees, red are very unhealthy trees, and yellow are mostly unhealthy trees. Is that right? Um they're in they're so thick that nothing can grow properly. So the the ones in yellow are ones that you know
they're they're they're okay, right? But you know they're kind of causing issues because nothing can grow properly. There's just no space for anything to go. Okay. So it would be ones that I would probably be coming back and you know one to two years and saying help me again.
So okay. And then have some pictures. So the bottom is what most of the, you know, Yeah. Not the dead ones, but the like the nine to 10 that are just
clearly just, you know, accidents waiting to happen. Y Okay. Do we have any questions for me? Can I see the middle diagram again? Yeah.
So, lots of healthy trees. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. The goal would be just to clean all that up because like right now I just I I pummel the neighbors with acorns especially on uh um the house to the right and the left just get their
automobiles pummeled. Okay. Um Andrea, you have a question. Yeah, I'm sorry I missed. Um who was it that made this determination? Um I hired a I excuse me. I I brought
tree people out that know more about trees than I do. Do you know the the company the name of the company? I'd have to look that up. I believe that trees probably on the form. So you have here um
Jay's tree service. They specialize in nothing can nothing can access the properly property. Um, so it's going to have to all be done by climbers and then hauled out because I've got four dogs
that you know and it's so the house is fenced. So it's going to all have to be hauled out. It's a major expensive proposition. So which colors are you removing? The red and the black and the yellow.
I I would love to be able to remove the dead which is in the black and I would love to be able to remove the you know the the red which is again the trees that are compromised and clearly like you know halfway there. I would love to
do the yellow ones because again it's it's it's just like like I said just would be pulling the band-aid off. Yeah. Quarter of the way. I've got nothing against trees and want to respect the, you know, the wetlands area and the the beauty of the lake that
I mean, that's why I bought this lot. It's just been let go. Okay. And then Christine Germaine, you remember the name? Sorry. In my opinion, he's got plenty of trees here, so I don't have an issue with the removal of the ones he wants to remove
because he's got just a good abundance of trees. So I don't I personally don't have an issue with that. Okay. And then um I'm just going to I pulled up a map. I I guess I haven't changed my settings to Google Maps, so
it's a Bing map. Um, but this is, you know, an overhead of the property and what the trees look like from the from an aerial view. Um, Teddy, I think you had your hand up. Yeah, my question was answered.
Okay. Everything's mainly in that unfortunately in that piece by the lake was where there's 75% of them and they're all just one right on top the other. Yeah. Okay. Do we have any other concerns or questions for members of the
commission? Um I would be looking for I mean this is an administrative determination but I guess we would approve it. Um I'd be looking for a motion do to approve. Um but with
the um condition that the stumps are left and grinded and that we use minimally invasive. What was it that herins? Let me pull up her verbiage again because it was good.
Was minimally invasive methods. Yes. Um that is site visit. So um work is within or near the removal of house. Okay. So I would recommend that we approve I looking for
motion to approve removal of hazard trees. Um trimming recommended with stumps to remain in place and low impact methods used to avoid buffer zone disturbance. So do second.
Okay. Roll call vote. Christine Germaine. Hi Andrea Bernard. Hi Teddy Dad. I and I for myself. Okay, that is an approval to remove the
trees as necessary and then just make sure that the stumps are left and that they use minimally invasive. Again, I apologize for my own ignorance. I'm just not familiar with the area enough to is there a next step after this or is
Um, is there a next step after we don't typically do the administrative determinations? Usually our administrator does that. Um, it comes in. Do we did she follow up with them? Do you know, Chris? No, I don't know. I'll make sure. I think I think he gets I think I thought he got something like in the
mail and then he's good to go. I'm not sure though. Okay. I will check with our administrator and um the our office uh admin and just make sure that somebody reaches out to you and let you know let you know what next steps are. Okay. I did get an email that said it
passed and she agreed with the assessment, but Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thanks so much. Have a good night. You too. All right. Um, we have no exception extension request permits. Um,
certificates of compliance. Let me So, you know, and we still have quite a few members on um two members of the public on I think two are probably for certificates of compliance.
Um, there's a lot of people though. Let me go through this. Okay, so up first we have 701 Reservoir Road. Do we have the property owner or applicant on the call? I'm on the call. Okay, let me just um pull up the notes
from our administrator and say 701. Can you state your name and your address, please? Yep. My name is Christopher Coffin. I live at 701 Red Road. Okay, let's see.
I don't application review. Let's see. A meeting was scheduled. I don't have any notes on this one, though. Um, did her Lynn meet you out on site? It looks like she was out on August 18th.
No one ever showed up. Oh, okay. Um, let me check meeting notes. I know. So, when we completed the wall,
uh, Sophia came out back in January, told me to submit some things. We did and then we haven't heard back and then I just got an email saying that I was on a ready for a meeting that okay um just see if I can find 2025 meeting
materials. I don't have any notes on this judgement. All right. So, it looks like you replaced a railroad tie wall with
a Graves recon wall. Sophia did take pictures of it. I assumed you that's what happened when she was when she was that when she was out for a certificate of compliance. I I believe so. Yeah. I called her to tell it was completed and she came out
to do all that. Um, could we just one second? I'm just looking for notes if I can find any anywhere. Okay, I need to file this. So, he filed back in April for this on
April 12th. Okay. Um Okay. Um I'm just going to I'm going to send the administrator a message. Um and do you mind just holding on and then we'll I'll come back
to you after she responds to me just cuz I I know you've been waiting a long time. So, I want to see if I can get this wrapped up for you. Yeah, sure. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Um, okay. So, Chris, do I need to continue that to
move on? It's not technically a hearing. What do you think? All right, I'm going to move on. Um, sorry, mute. Um, J, were you not able to find the COC? Is that the issue?
I can't find any notes on the COC from Herurlin. Um, so I don't I don't feel comfortable. Okay. Um, saying that we can issue a COC without notice from the administrator, without anybody having without any of
the commissioners having seen it either. Okay. Um, so I just want to I'm just checking in with Harland. Okay. And that way if we just move on to the next one, see if we have notes for this one. Okay. Okay. And then that way um we don't have to ask him to come back. Y
unless other people would like to issue a certificate of completion. I don't think anybody I mean there said one person I wouldn't be comfortable doing that without somebody seeing it or recommending it but yeah. No I Okay. I'm just I was just trying to uh also search so I wasn't sure.
Yeah. If you find anything please let me know. Yeah. Um, it looks like these were added to the schedule. Um, okay. So, do we have the applicant from 155 Reservoir Road on?
It's our next certificate of compliance. It does not appear that we do. Let me just look at who the property owner is on this. I'm not seeing this name here. Okay. Um, [Music]
all right. Let me Let's give it a few more minutes to see if Hurling comes back and has any recommendations and then um so if you don't mind just sitting on for a couple more minutes, but worst case if um we don't have any recommendations, what we
could do is put it on the next meeting. Um, Christopher and you wouldn't have to come, but we could get a recommendation and then issue the we could vote to issue the certificate. You wouldn't have to be here. So, we could just make sure it at least gets done on the next
meeting if we can't get it done today. But, I'll give Herurland a couple more minutes just so we could try to get it done for you tonight if it's going to be issued. Um, okay. So, put that on hold for a
moment. Um, as far as we don't have any new updates on violations, enforcements, no emergency certifications. Um, we do still have quite a few people on the call.
Um, so we have John Tada. Is there Can I ask what you're on the call for? We just didn't realize he's still on the call. Oh, hey. Yes, I'm just watching.
Oh, okay. Great. Thank you. I just wanted what I want. There was some cases there that may be something I need to know about in the future. Oh, okay. Great. Well, thanks for sticking with us.
Okay. Um Debbie Canalvo, were you on for something specific? I just want to make sure we don't miss what you're here for. Uh yes. I got a um notice that I would be on tonight's agenda for removal of
trees at 102 Horizon Island Road. Oh. Um okay. So, you know what's I actually I was out at 105 Horizon. And is this is this the is it Grall property?
Nope. Nope. It's Consalo. We're all neighbors. Oh, okay. So, um, let me take a look. I don't I actually don't have you on the agenda. Um, so let me take a look and see
what it sounded like. It was approved. It was just to get, I guess, final approval to have three trees removed. Okay. Um, site visit completed.
Um, okay. It's not on the agenda, but I do have notes in here. Um, and I do it because we write down the Zoom meeting, but it can't get on the site. I see that you have a note in here. Let me
see. notification of meeting date for August 20th. So, you were added to the meeting. Chris as our um senior commission member. Uh this is for a administrative
determination. Um it is not on the agenda, but there would not have been any notifications to a Butters for this um determination. Could we hear it? We have notes from Harland. What do you
think about that? We have a lot of notes and pictures. Are you asking me if we can go forward without the abutter notification? I know. Well, there would be no abutter notifications for an administrative determination. So, I'm trying to figure out could we while the applicant is here
and she's been here all night and we have I don't see I don't see how that would be an issue. I don't know. I mean, the whole thing's being recorded. It's on the up and up. We vote. So I just because it's not on the agenda, I don't know why we couldn't. Okay. All right. So, um I'm going to
um So, this is an administrative determination for 102 Horizon Island Road. It is for um removal of trees. Let me just um arbur to look at trees along our
driveway. found several dead and damaged trees that could cause injury or damage. Um I'm going to share I Okay. So, um Debbie, can you just state your name again and your address?
Sure. It's Debbie Consalvo, 102 Horizon Island Road. Okay. And then I'm just going to share my screen and show Plland's notes. So, Okay. Um, so in the workflow we have
here's an attachment with a diagram. Um, this is the lake. This the trees are to this side of the driveway. So you're right at the end of Horizon Island. Yes. And here are Hurlin's notes.
fin. Are they up? Are you still clicking on them because we don't see them? I'm still clicking. Okay. Um Oh, here it is. Okay. All right. So um tree one hemlock status dead
observation no foliage bark damage consistent with bor infestation. Arborous notes infested with hemlock bores recommended for removal to prevent further spread. Um tree two is a white pine structurally compromised vertical crack present tall and narrow form
potential hazard in high winds. Um risk of structural failure recommended for removal. And then tree three is a red oak. Sad declining evidence of past heavy pruning. Visible water sprouts, possible carpenter ant activity. Arborous notes are poor recovery,
structural concerns recommended for removal. Reason letter in sight conditions. The removal of the free trees appear appropriate. The applicant is advised to use low impact equipment during removal to minimize disturbance to buffer zones, soils, maintain or restore native understory vegetation
where feasible um following removal. Um, so is this Herurland's notes or they are these are This is Hurland's notes. Oh, okay. Um, okay. So, let me just pop up these
pictures. So, it looks like is it this tree, this tree, and then is this two trees right here? So, it's these four. Yeah, there's two trees there. It's one of them. The the thicker one um is the
one that's I put markers in front of them. I don't know if they're still there. It's hard to see. What else we have here? It's like all her pictures are focusing on these four trees. Yeah. Well, it's not that they It's the
um Do you see um under August Aug there's a a pole there? I put markers in front of the trees. One is by the um compost bin. That one's dead. That one's actually all dead. And then
there's one next to it um that is structurally damaged. This the compost bin right here. Yeah, that's that right there. This one? Yeah, that one's completely dead. Okay.
And then this one. I want to say it's Yeah, the one where you're pointing is that that's the last one. It's hard when I'm not outside. So, it's two by the bin and this this Okay. Yeah. Okay. Um I mean based on Hurland's
notes, I would um be looking for a motion to approve. Oh, do we have any questions for members of the commission before I jump the gun? It does not seem so. Okay. And uh so I think I'd be looking for a motion to
approve based on Harlland's notes. So moved. Have a second. Second. Okay. Um roll call vote. Teddy det I.
Andrea Bernup I. Chissy Germaine. Hi. And I for myself. Okay. Um, so that is approved and you can go ahead and remove those trees.
Okay. Great. Thank you. Thanks so much for hanging with us. Yeah. You're welcome. Have a good night. Okay. Um, Carol Thorburn Thorburn. Hi, this is Carol Thorber, 44 Hemlock
Terrace, and um we had put in a notice to have some trees removed right now in a uh one of the latest windstorms. We have a a tree with not the tree itself, but a large branch on the roof right
now, and it's in between two live power lines. Um, I had a professional tree service, iron tree service come in to um, look at the um, tree and they came around and they
said, "There are several trees that I'm going to have a problem with that are leaning over the house and they need to be removed." Okay. So, um it looks like and we I had gotten a notice saying we would be on today.
Okay. Yeah. Um and it looks like the site visit was missed. Uh they didn't come. He said he was coming yesterday. I didn't realize. Okay. Um unfortunately with no notes. Okay.
Yeah. I And no site visit. Okay. We're are there's not much that we can do. Um yeah, I just have a tree in between two pot live power lines that I'm a little nervous about. So yeah. Do you have any pictures?
Um I I I I had I sent them to you guys. Yeah. Let me uh see what's here. Okay. U let me share my screen. All right. So, we got a diagram of
Okay. So, and it's 11 trees. Yeah. Approximately like some of them are like attached to each other, but Yeah. Okay. Um, yeah. Let me see what else we have here. So, here's
some photos. Okay, let me get this out of my way. Yeah, you can see that's the one that's it on the house now. Yeah, you can see the power lines that are on each side. Yeah.
Um, let's see. We have here. So, and then you can see that one's leaning over the garage. Okay. I mean, they're they're really big. And then let me um
it looks like you have Okay. So, is it one of these also that you're looking to remove? Uh yeah, the one that's like leaning towards the the um porch. You can see one right here. Or is it this one?
Uh it's the They're you can't you can't really see, but it's the one sort of the closest to the to the porch. They're all marked in red markers by the tree service. Okay. I mean, this is I mean, I didn't know I
had tree issues until, you know, I had a tree on the house and the the tree service came in and said, "You have some big problems." So, um Okay. So it looks like that was the same. All right. And in total it was how many trees again?
It's and I don't have it exact, but it's it's around 11ish. Like they're bigger trees though, but some of them are sort of like attached and then they go out into like one or two trees. You know what I mean? It's like is it one tree or two? I don't
understand how they marked it. But they're saying at about 11 trees in their proposal to us. Okay. And then is this okay? Yeah. Yeah. I mean there's one one two there's
two or three that are like literally over the house that are very large trees. Okay. Um, I don't I unfortunately I don't we just don't have enough information I think for us to make an informed decision.
Does anyone have any other opinions on that? I would agree. Okay. So, um I will make sure that you get on the next um agenda for September
3rd. Yeah. Um 2025. And we'll make sure that somebody gets out there before then. Okay. To um look at it. And I'm I'm so sorry. And Okay. So, just leave. They'll just I
guess I have to hang out a little longer then. That's a lot. Yeah. Okay. I'm sorry. I just unfortunately it's just it's a lot of trees and I one thing I think that we can say um that branch it you're not talking about
taking down the tree if you're worried about that branch because it's on your house I don't think that's Jenny I don't think that's part of our jurisdiction if you want to get that branch off now you don't have to wait for us I mean it's just about taking the trees down but that's a broken branch that's a different story you can
get that tree off your roof if you have to if you have you want to wait until September 2nd, but the tree removal will have to wait. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm so sorry, but we'll definitely make sure that this gets sorted out before the next meeting and somebody
will come and take a look and see what the next steps would be. Okay. Awesome. And somebody will notify me of the date. Yes. Okay. Perfect. I appreciate your time. All right. Thank you so much. Yeah. Bye. Bye. Bye. Um, okay. So, I have not heard um
anything back from our administrator, Christopher Coffin, unfortunately. So, for you, what I can do is um make sure that somebody gets out there
to check for compliance. Okay. and um we can get you on the next meeting. You wouldn't have to come to the meeting. It you don't have to be here if it's approved. Um if there are any uh concerns um you know it can be
put into open gov and be addressed in between the meetings um if there's if there's any reason that it wouldn't be if the certificate of compliance wouldn't be issued. So um yeah. Yeah. So, we'll put you on the
next meeting and then hopefully get that squared away for you. All right. So, the they'll send me another email telling me when they're coming up for the property to take a look. Yes. All right. Okay. Good. Um and so sorry about that.
All right. Thank you. Have a good night. You too. Thank you. Okay. So I still have um J Simeone on it Simeone or Simeone Simeone
and then I you had spoken during the um like the Whalm Yeah. hearing. Are you just hanging out or is there I'm Yeah, I'm just observing. Okay, great. Um, and then Joe Tulle, is it Toll or Tulle?
You're still on. Do you mean to stay on? That might be pack. Hello, this is Joe. Hi, Joe. I just notic that you're still on. Um, are you just hanging out, too, or? Well,
I'm on because um I need to stay on for the stream to work. She's public access. She's doing the year. No, but you you Oh, typically you don't stay on. I I do for all the meetings. Okay. I've never I've never noticed that
you've stayed on for the entire meeting before. Okay, good to know. Yeah. Do Do you Are you going into executive session or something? Hello. No, we're not. No, we're not. Oh, okay.
Um, okay. So, um, for new business, we have Have you asked Andrea if was that was already you already asked her too? Ask Andrea. Yeah. Andrea B. Oh, that's Andrea Burnout.
Oh, sorry. Sorry, Andrea. I was like, ask her what? No problem. Um, okay. Uh, conservation updates, uh, Mac classes, uh, Mac Frenzy is in
September. Highly recommend 101 102. And then the, um, Mac convention is October 25th. So would love to see everybody there. That is covered under our budget if you would like to go. Um it'd be really nice to have as many members of the commission
as possible there. It's a great experience and you learn there's a lot they usually do like themes. So um like one time it was storm water. I'm not sure what this one is yet, but it's usually things that are topical. It's on Zoom, right? Huh?
It it's virtual, right? Or is it in person? No, the Mac can the the the classes are virtual like 101, 102, 103. But the the convention is in person. It's at um it's at Devon's. So in the
fall it's at Devon's convention center and then in the spring it's at Holy Cross. Um so it's just like you know it's run like a regular convention. They give you lunch. There's snacks everywhere. There's vendors. Um
it's it's a good time and the food is good typical. Um, but yeah, I know that one is in person because there's a you can sign up either for four different classes or you can sign up for two classes. So, you do one before lunch, either two before
lunch or one before lunch and then two after lunch or one after lunch depending on the length of the class. But two of your classes could be the ones that go toward the fundamental certificate, which would be like the if you take 101 through 105 and then two of the two
level classes. Yeah. Are we getting a spreadsheet together to like Yeah, I have to have Herllin send one out. The only reason that I haven't had her send it out um I'm can have her send it out for the the classes like the one the virtual classes but the uh Mac
convention typically when she would send it out you would be choosing what classes you're going to take while you're there and those haven't been released yet. Okay. Um but I'll make sure she gets out the spreadsheet for the um frenzy cuz that starts like September 23rd I think or
September 17th. So we're we're coming up on that. We still have a little time though. And those don't sell out um because they're virtual, so we will get that out though. Um does anyone else have any
conservation updates? I don't have any budget updates because our budget is now kind of wrapped up in land use. Uh no encroachment issues. Grants update would be Mary. Do you have anything on grants updates, Chris?
No. Oh, I actually do have Oh, conservation land improvement. I do have um an announcement on that which is that we are advertising on the United Way Day of Caring. We're setting up a trail work
event at the um Cry Nature Center to repair some bridges and work on do some other trail work as needed. Um, Chris is going to or the Lun the Lunenburgg Snow
Riders Club is going to let us either borrow the UTV that they have or ATV or Chris was going to let us borrow his tractor, but you would be there to operate it. It sounds like either way, I'll be there. Yeah, either way. Either we'll use the ATV or the
tractor. I reached out to Josie today and see what he says what he wants for equipment. Okay. So, and then um I did see your email earlier and it is only the half day. It's I think like 8 to 12 or something and part of that is breakfast. Perfect.
So, um it will be a half day. So, that will be up on um if any of the commission is interested in participating in that. Um it's going to be like a trail work day and it's at Cry and it will be September 19th which is a Friday. Um so I'm still trying to figure
out if I'm available. Um, but that will be September 19th from 9ish to 1ish, but I'll send out I'll send out a link that if anybody wants to sign up on the conservation commission. I imagine it's during the day, not like during business hours. Okay,
it's during business hours. So, yeah, I totally totally get that. That could be tough because that is tough for me. I uh you know I I sit in meetings basically from 8:30 in the morning until 5:30 at
night and it's hard to get away. So um what else? How is road residents? Um lease agreements and tenant responsibilities typically Mike Wood Zeno work that we talk giving us updates
on that. Um he's not here. Committee reports. Uh Chris, do you have anything from open space? Well, we had a meeting, so that was exciting. Finally had we had a quorum. So, it was myself, Michael Tulhill, Colleen Shapiro from Parks and Wreck,
Will Mild from Planning Board, and myself from representing conservation. The only really thing we we um voted on we approved was the unanimous vote to make a recommendation to the select board not to exercise its right of first refusal for 20 222 West Townson Road. It
that piece of land was like 13 acres and didn't really check off any boxes for being a good piece of land. So it was kind of a unanimous vote to pass on first refusal. That was about it for for that for that meeting. Okay. And then um Oh, I think that uh we
had actually voted on that one a while back as a commission to not Right. And I I was representing us. Yes. Yeah. So, storm water. Um we are possibly moving to two times a
month just because we have a lot to to get through. And you were done, Chris. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt. No, I'm done. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. So, stormwater um stormwater utility, we are actually going to be working with a different consultant trying to get things moving a little bit
faster and um hoping to at least present something at the fall meeting and that's kind of where we are. There's not much other than that to update. And then master plan steering committee. I've seen some communications from you Teddy
about um some input that you need from us. Do you want to talk about that at all? Yeah. So um can I can I share my screen? Absolutely. Um this is just a spreadsheet that um they sent that they want us to fill out.
Mary said that she would um take it upon herself to um work on this and probably ask Can you see it? Not yet. It's doing the same thing that Ryan did. One moment. Something's glitchy.
Yeah, I um I also sent it out in the email. It should be attached and I could send it again if that is helpful for everyone. But essentially, it's just they're looking for like what falls under our jurisdiction
and if we have any comments for it. Can you see it? No. Still nothing. Do you want me to try to share it? Sure. Okay. It's um from the email. Yes.
Excel spreadsheet. The go through my million tabs here. Hold on. All right. The overunder MPSC is that the one uh concom master plan recommendations committee feedback. There there's a
PowerPoint that I shared as well and we can go over that too if you want to go over that first. Where is Here we go. Found it. Okay, that works.
So, so yeah, on the left you can see all the goals um which I was excited about. They all I don't know. I I think they're all um noble goals for our town to have. Um supporting a range of housing options for all ages and income levels,
protecting farmland and farmers. Um and then um build upon efforts to improve uh natural open spaces and recreational opportunities, support community gathering spaces,
foster safe and resilient town infrastructure. Um and the top row has like questions for us to answer for each of those goals. Um, is it controlled by our board's
bylaws and policies? Um, do we have a bylaw or policy on this already? If yes, provide a source. Um, etc. And Mary said that she would contact um I think it was like either Herurlin
or Michael Gale to see if we can get answers to these. Um, and they're looking for um us to send this back by October 1st, I believe. So, we have some time, but I just want to get the ball rolling, bring
it to everyone's attention. Great. Yeah. So, we'll have um so if Mary and Michael can and you know, if or can get some of it going and then maybe we meet again as a commission and go over what we have. Yeah. Um,
and we'll just have it one spreadsheet that we all kind of vote on and I'll bring that to the and we'll send it to the master plan steering committee. Okay.
And all the other commissions that are um involved that like were sent a copy of the spreadsheet and they'll fill it out as well and send it to the master plan steering committee. Awesome. Yeah, this is all good stuff.
The PowerPoint is a the overunder about um about the plan and we can go over that too pretty quickly. Yeah, let me um open that back up. Get this out of my way.
Can everybody see this? Yes. Okay. Um, yeah, let's keep scrolling. There's All right. So, yeah, here's the like the surveys that they got from the town. So,
um, at the meeting, I don't remember the the person's name who was kind of, uh, going over the the PowerPoint, but he said that compared to other towns, we had pretty good feedback. Um, and
sorry I'm not super uh, well prepared to present. No worries. So, especially where half the commission's gone right now, it's uh you know, we'll just kind of consider this like a a quick overview just so everybody knows what's coming down
pipeline. Go Yeah. Go back to that that slide with the uh Sorry. Go down and one more. Yeah. So, this is um kind of a a good like graphic that
they're going to introduce with like each of our plans and it's going to implement like what the cost, the time frame and the number of uh goals that that topic addresses in
our master plan. So, um at the bottom you can see like the seven um goals in our master plan and prioritizing sidewalks and pedestrian infrastructure and commercial areas that checks uh four of the boxes.
Okay. Um, and so when we come up with like ideas of like how what we want to include in our master plan, we're trying to balance everything between like the cost and like the number of um aspects that it the number of boxes it checks
off. Okay. Yeah. Know, this is this is great. I think we watched one of the master plan meetings back when we first moved here. It's very cool. that we have a a committee trying to take care of this stuff.
Yeah. And like um when we were we were talking I think Mary suggested like perhaps in like parking lots we could implement something like uh solar panels to cover the cars so that gives shade to cars while also providing power to our
um public facilities. Yep. And I loved that idea. You want me to keep scrolling? Uh yeah, continue. And then these are just like feedback that we got from the town um suggestions that people brought to the master plan steering
committee and people people can read them um at their own pace. Create a strategy for town owned farmland like like community farms or something. Community. Yeah. I what when I think about like the
master plan steering committee and like what I would want to bring is a an area where the community can gather like a public park. Um and they brought up what was it? Marshall Park that was kind of shot down. Yeah. A couple years ago.
Um and it sounded like people were like interested in it but it was just kind of money was the reason why we didn't follow through. Yeah. Um, but for me, the idea that I would want to bring is a like a food forest area where people can gather and be um
in nature and we can have like a town meeting area um that perhaps connects to our like trails. And I was at the Actton Arboritum earlier this week and it was kind of exactly what I would like to see in
Lunenburgg. um just people around the park surrounded by various fruit trees and native plants. They had a frog pond. It was all wheelchair accessible. It was just a really nice um addition to the their town that I didn't know existed until earlier this
week. Yeah, it's very it's very cool there and free. Yeah. So, can't beat that. Um yeah, keep scrolling. and keep scroll. Yeah, just more recommendations from people for various
um for each of the the topics. Um yeah, develop community garden is on there. Large gathering space on town owned properties. um that was in the plan for the town
hall. Um but that got delayed or shot down. There's going to be some sort of a gathering space. Yeah, it seems like money is like a big um the big Yeah.
uh limiting factor because like the school committee needs funding and um Marshall and the thing with Marshall Park I think they brought up was that they needed to update
um like certain infrastructure around that just got quickly uh ran up the tab and so they weren't able to follow through. Lots of bike stuff. Are you seeing all this, Chris? Yes, I am. Yeah.
Continue to be a green community in good standing. So, I think a lot of these are overlapping in nature. Yeah. Um and we can uh kill like two or three birds with one stone. Actually ran this thing. I um actually ran this through AI. I took your
document and put it into AI and I asked it to give me ideas that the cons conservation committee can get behind. It's pretty interesting. It took a lot of the information and gave me key takeaways and suggestions that we could employ. So, it's pretty cool. That's cool. I think that's a that's a
reasonable use for a AI. Yeah. Did a nice job going through like all 24 pages and pulling out the key points and stuff. Yeah, we'll get we'll all come together again and we can uh brainstorm ideas and just make sure that we get the
spreadsheet filled out for them because they um just don't want to keep that keep it delayed. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I I'd be I'd be happy to be involved in that. Yeah.
Yeah. I think um what I'll do is ask for it to be on the next agenda so we can and if you know see what I know Mary was saying that she would fill that out to the best of her ability. Yeah, I think if we if we can um do this
like outside of like meeting time and then convene and go over it. Is that acceptable? I'm not sure. Um technically if we're discussing things that are within our jurisdiction we it has to be an open meeting. If we're
Yeah. If you more than two people are discussing something it's considered public or or whatever if it's a quorum. So if it's more if it's four Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So and even with all the people on sidewalks now we have to be we can't
discuss anything on sidewalks anymore. You can just look at them. Um, so yeah. Okay, then we'll just have to block out some time in our agenda to really Yeah. the next agenda. Um, let's see what Mary
comes up with and uh we'll go from there. But on the next agenda, I'm going to have Was there anything else you wanted to go over here? Um, I don't I don't think so. I think um Okay. like you guys are able to look at it at your own pace.
Um, for the next meeting, um, I'm going to add an executive session for 6:30. Um, so if everybody is available at 6, I'll send out an email just to see if everybody's available, but just kind of
save the date for that. I want to go over some stuff about the Hollis Road property. Okay. Okay. Um, and okay, so where were we? All right. Are we We're at 10 communications, public
comments. Um, do we do have a member of the public on? Uh, do we have any public comment? Okay. Um, upcoming meeting. Our next meeting is on September 3rd, 2025 and
that will be on Zoom. And at this point, I think I would be looking for a motion to adjourn. So moved. Second. Okay. Um, roll call vote. Teddy Ducet. I. Andrea Bernap.
I. Chissy Germaine. I. And I for myself. And it's 9:38 p.m. It is 9:30. Oh, 9:39 from my foot lock. Yes. Thank you, Chris, for keeping me honest. Um, and we are returning at 9:39
p.m. on August 20th, 2025. Thank you, guys. Thanks, guys. Have a great night. You too. Bye.