So, I think we're ready to get started. Um, it looks like somebody started a recording, but it's paused. So, I'm gonna start that now. And then Mary, did you want to do a back? Can you Can somebody do a backup recording? I cannot do it. Um, Madam
Chair, if I'm the co-host. Um, so Sophie is doing it. Um, Sophie is here tonight. Welcome back, Sophie. I can, Jenny, if you uh give me permission. I have to give you permission to record.
Let's see. Yes. Allow recording. There you go. All set. Okay. So, I'm going to start with a Well, we have two new commissioners tonight. We have Teddy Ducet and Andrea Bernap.
Um, should we do roll call vote first or do a little introduction? Somebody guide me. I think just let's do a roll call, open the meeting and then we can do that under announcements.
Okay. All right. So, roll call vote. Um, Richard Burch present. Mike LaRouche present. Chris St. Germaine present. Mary Wilson here. Eddie Ducet present.
Andrea Bernap present. Present. So that's everyone. Um so I'm going to open the meeting in accordance with the requirements of the open meeting law. Please be advised that this meeting is being audio video
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that the town of Lunenberg utilizes Zoom platform as host for its hybrid and remote meetings. That the Zoom platform utilizes AI technology known as AI companion to create audio transcriptions of meetings to aid in the subsequent preparation of meeting minutes. and that the AI companion is activated
immediately upon launching the Zoom application. You are hereby notified that this AI technology may capture audio prior to the start of the meeting and or following the conclusion of the meeting. And then the Zoom meeting link. Um so do we have any announcements from any
members of the commission? Madam Chair. Yes. I do think um it's probably appropriate to uh reannounce the new uh commissioners. Okay. So, um we have two new commissioners starting, you know,
with this meeting. We have Teddy Ducet and Andrea Bernap. Um, and I don't know, do we want to if any if either of you want to say a little bit about yourself or do we save that for later?
I'll say something. Um, hi everybody. I'm very excited to be here. Um, this is very new for me. I'm have been trying for a while to like get involved in my community more. I look forward to working with all of you. Uh, thank you for this opportunity.
Thank you. I'm very excited about both of them. And then Andrea, did you want to just say hi or introduce yourself? Um, yeah. Hi. Um, I um I'm excited to be here also and um I have a lot to learn, but I'm looking
forward to it. Awesome. Okay. Do we have any other announcements for members of the commission? All right. Do we have any um comments from members of the public? Okay, it does not appear that we do. Um
I sent out some minutes from now moving forward. Michael will be sending out the minutes. He's our new um admin in the office. But I did send out 18205 and 122 2025. Did everybody have a chance to look at
them? I did not. Okay. So a little bit. Okay. I don't think that you could actually vote on them because you weren't in that meeting. That's right. Unless you Yeah. So um did anyone else I think maybe we should hold
off until the next meeting. So I would make a motion to approve the minutes as posted. Okay. So move a second. Second. Okay. So Mary with the motion and Richard with the
second do a roll call vote. Uh Chris St. Germaine. I madam chair. Yep. I did have a question on the minutes of the 22nd. Okay. And I'm just trying to bring them back up. I had them open here somewhere
and I can't find them now. But I believe we had talked about the um violation at 1168 Massav and I didn't notice anywhere in the minutes or I'd like to make sure that the minutes um show that we
couldn't find any reports um from the sitewalk that Brian Maretti said that he had with either Matt Maro or Na Nadia. Okay.
Um, yeah, I think that So, if we wanted to, would we want to hold off on those, get those updated, and just vote on 18 tonight to be approved? Yeah, I I would recommend that. Yeah, I just where it's a violation. and it just kind of it
reading the minutes it implies that that was um that we just accepted that. But without any written report from either of the sitewalks, it's really hard for us to accept um accept what Matt and Nadia said about the site.
Okay. Um so the Do you want to remake the motion just to approve 18? Sure. I mayor, you want to remake your motion? Yeah. Uh I'll I'll make the uh revise
the motion to approve as posted uh the January 18th uh 2025 minutes. January 8th. 8th. Yeah. 8th. Okay. So Mary with the motion, Richard with the second. Roll call vote. Um Chris St. Germaine.
Hi. Mike Larouche. Hi. Uh Mary Wilson. I Richard Bers. I I for myself. And it's okay that I skipped over Penny and Andrea, right? Because they weren't there. Yeah. Okay. All
right. So, let me just write down. Okay. So, um moving on to new public hearings. Matt Marorrow did request that we move 100 towns in Harbor Road further down the agenda. So, I think we that's a
second. Um, so I think we would open that and then continue it to further down the agenda is we'll get there when we get there. All right. So 833 Flatill Road um public hearing on a request for determination of applicability by Susan
Robia for replacement of a rear deck extending the length of the house having the same or smaller width and addition of a 14t wide sunroom involving work within the 100t buffer zone. Um, and there's an open dev ID. Do we have the
applicant on? I do see Yes, the applicant is on. Hi. So, do you want to tell us a little bit about your project? Sure. Yeah. Is it possible for me to share? I put some The Sharing isn't turned on. I
I just put We have a new survey that has a little more dimensional information on it than I had on Saturday when you guys were here. Yep. So I am going to You should be able to share your screen now. And then did you upload those
whatever you have to open gov? Yes, I did. Okay, great. Okay, so am I sharing? Uh let's see. Um Oh, I have to say this my word. Okay, got it.
Okay, can you guys see that? Yes. Okay. So, um based on our discussions on Saturday, my understanding is that there are two things that you are most interested in and one of them is the 50ft distance to
the lake. Um and I had a survey already where it said that the existing deck, this shaded area, so the lake is on the left, the the boundary is vertical here and the house is on the right. And the shaded area is our existing deck. And um
uh the survey that I had, he had drawn a line from the top left corner of the existing deck to the lake and that was 54 feet. And um someone made a comment which made sense that hey, maybe the new part we're adding up here in the top um
is closer. And so I asked our survey surveyor to add that dimension and that's uh just under 47 feet. Um so that does fall within the boundary. Um, I tried to sort of draw a line, a dash line parallel to the lake shore, you
know, from the one of the 50- foot distances. And, you know, you can see that the portion of the deck that falls within the 50-foot zone is really just a sliver. Um, and the rest of the house and um,
proposed addition are are outside of that that area. Um, so I think that would be the only area of interest. Um, as far as the the 50 foot line, um, the way the engineering design is drawn right now is that our the footing for
that corner of the deck is just vertically right below the deck. Um, but I put a few pictures in here. And so on the left here is what it looks like walking from our deck out around the side of the house to the driveway. And that's the corner of the house that um, I'm talking about. And on the right, I
put a water bottle. And that's approximately the area like 8 ft out where the um the post would be located if it was as it is in the drawings. And that obviously is not an ideal location because that's where we need to walk. Uh and I've been talking with the engineer
and he says he can lever the deck um so that we can move the post. And um we haven't gone into great detail because I wanted to make sure I got your feedback first before I had him do anything. Um, but I had mentioned to him potentially, um, based on what I knew about analying,
moving it in a footish towards the house and maybe a foot and a half along it. And so that means the post would be somewhere, you know, kind of where I'm arrowing here. It would still be on the hardscape, but it would be um, you know, make it possible for us to walk by um,
without running into the post. So that obviously would be further away from the lake. also uh I don't know what exact dimension that would be um and I don't know you know what your guidelines are for how specific you are you know what
what your uh request would be I guess but that's sort of the area that we're talking about um and then one other thing I would say is that so this the shaded area here is the old deck and we're adding a new deck
here and then um around the corner is going to be actually a room. So, the old deck has a rainwater collection system and um I showed you guys where it drains. There's a single drain pipe down under the deck that then goes underground and out into the yard. Um
and what we want to do is make this next 12t area just into the end of the house also um have that collection system. And so that's 12 x 12. So it's 144 square ft. Um, and you were interested, I
think, in the um, how the draining would work. And as I was thinking about it more, I realized we're also putting this um, permanent roof over the one portion of the deck. And that's approx. It's just slightly less than, but about the
same size as the the new area of the uh, drainage system that we would be adding. And so for the new area, we could attach that to the existing downspout that we're using. And um potentially this
area would um go into the gutters on the roof. And you know, it's a small enough area that's split between two gutters. I I think we have plenty of flow available there. So, um, we wouldn't appreciably be changing the amount that was
discharged, um, down into the ground compared to what we have right now. And, um, a portion of that also is I put on the left here our current deck. And you can see the hardcape under it. So, there is a port, it's not very big, but there still is a portion of it that would be
over something that's a hardcape already. So, there wouldn't be, you know, the ability for it to be going into the ground there anyway. Um, so I I don't know. I guess if you have questions, um, clarification,
suggestions, anything you want to add? Yeah, you can jump to the draw. Go back up here. Oh, it says 883, not 8:33. Oh, I was talking and I was muted. Um, so I had a question. Can you go down to the retractable awning in the the
permanent roof picture? So now you have this retractable awning and um you're going to be removing that. And yeah, it's not even Yeah, it's not even a retractable awning. It's just a It's just sitting on top of the deck. It's not attached to a house. Yeah. Yeah. It's really a shade cover.
The It's not great water. is the this and this roof is permanent. Is it about the same size as that? Um yeah, I would say it's maybe a foot or two wider. Um it's right now we Yeah, we have I
think it's 14 ft wide and that is 13. So So a foot wider. Yeah. So right now our roof has a um you know a triangular shape. I don't know what it's called and we're just going to be extending that out. Um but yeah, just just slightly larger than what we have. But again, what we have is not a permanent
structure. It's really not great for rain because it doesn't collect it. It It's more for shade. And then, so I didn't realize the sun room is going to be above ground. It's not on the ground there. It's actually Right. Well, actually, yes. So the the
portion of it away from the lake towards the front of the house is going to be only a couple feet off the ground because the property rises up there, but it's going to be on on the main level of our house, not in the basement level.
Okay. Um, do we have any questions for members of the commission? I also I actually have some pictures I took while I was out there that I can share. Um, so let me get those up. Do you want me to stop
sharing or is that going to Yeah, I'm going to share my screen so that we'll take it from you. I think so too. But Oh, I think I see Sophia has a question. So, do you want to ask your question while I get my
screen sharing going? Sophie? Sure. Um, I just had a question um or a concern to the commission. I I'm obviously very behind on a lot of things
in the office, but catching up um today I was review sorry reviewing this one um RDA in particular on open gov and I realized that Herurlin um had put a note
um requesting proof of a butter notifications and I still do not see that proof in the attachments. Uh checking. Um Oops. Is my on still? Yeah.
Um I had replied to her uh that we also had to get a zoning variance because we're a couple feet over the pro, you know, too close to the property line on the side. Um and as part of that application, I had um provided envelope,
you know, addressed envelopes to the zoning commission and they sent out notices um to the abutters and u we just assumed that go ahead and everything would be included um she says okay. Yeah, that's what I thought but I didn't realize it says in progress. I'm just
telling you. Okay. Yeah. So I'm actually not clear. I do do ZBA um a better notifications. We have started cooking. Okay. Okay. Um do ZBA notifications count for
everything or No, they would have to notify for the conservation. Yeah, they'd have they have to not the applicant has to notify their butterers. They have to get a certified list or conservation list from the assessor's office. and notify those abutters
specifically of this hearing. So, unfortunately, if that hasn't been done, then this hearing is in violation of the open meeting law. Okay. All right. So, we have to close the hearing then. It just never really opened
technically. Okay. So, I apologize. I assumed. Yeah, we just assumed because I we just assumed that the town you guys were kind of communicating and everything was going to go in those envelopes. But um if not, then we will have to do that.
Yeah. So the butter notification lets the abutters know that you're having a hearing. So it allows them to come on and make any comments. And where they were notified for the CBA, that doesn't help for this hearing. So, it needs to be for each hearing that you have or
each new hearing that you have. So, um I guess we don't we just move on to the next hearing, Richard. Yes. Can we Yeah. Can I can I ask one question before we go? Um is it I I I completely understand what you're saying and assume that we'll
be hopefully on the docket at the next meeting. I'll figure that out and get those out immediately. Um, but since we have you guys here, is it possible for you guys to comment? So, if there's something that more information that you need, we can start again from the beginning next time, but at least we
would be able to maybe address something in the interim or is that not okay? I'd be looking for guidance from I mean we we can have a discussion because it it's it's a it's on the agenda as a discussion
at for a meeting. So we certainly can discuss it but anything that we discuss would need to be just re iterated at the next time we open the hearing. Okay. So, um, should I show my pictures
that I took just so everybody has a Yeah, I guess I don't know. I don't know how your schedule's going, Jenny, but I mean, at this point, anything that we do do, we have to redo. So, okay. We have time to do it this evening or are we better off to just move on? Um,
so our next is going to have to be continued until Matt gets here and then we have Yeah, I think we we probably should move on. Okay. Okay. Well, if you guys if you have any comments or if you can even email, you know, if there's if there's something we're missing that would be helpful for the next meeting,
it would be good to know so we can just have it for that for the meeting, you know, to save time then. So, so um also I'm hoping that maybe our conservation our interim conservation administrator may be able to go out there and take some notes too and that and she puts
them in open gov and that may be helpful for you too. Okay. Okay. Thank you. I madam chair. It would be helpful to see erosion protection. Oh the plan. Yeah. And it should really
have the 30 foot and the 50 foot note. um the 30- foot no touch and the 50- foot no build boundaries on the plan from border to border. Okay. And then so I can do that. And then is the erosion I assume the erosion
plan was something that you were going to tell us that about what we needed to do in order to do the the project or is that something we propose to you first? Generally, it's proposed by the applicant and it would be running along
your limit of work to protect any runoff um polluted runoff from the work side into the wetland side. And usually it's just a a line of um straw waddles and if needed uh silk fencing. And how do we
present that to you? Is it written on is it written on our survey somehow or is it Yep. Yeah. You would just put a line in a dotted line saying erosion protection consisting of straw waddles staked to the ground. Okay. And you would designate that also as your limit
of work which means you you're not going to be going digging or doing anything on the other side of that um boundary. Okay. Okay. Thank you. That's helpful. Thank you. And um have a good night.
Okay. Thanks. Bye. Bye. Thanks. Uh Madam Chair, I'm actually here. So, I mean, you don't have to. Oh, you are? Yeah. Like I said, it was a quickie. It's already done. Okay, perfect. Um I'm going to stop sharing my screen. Okay, so uh moving on to our public hearing
for 100 Towns and Harbor Road. uh public hearing on a request for determination of applicability by DCSJ LLC for a new single family home and associated grading partially within the 100 foot buffer zone. Um we do have the
representative for the applicant on and that is Matt Morrow and me. Is it okay if I share my screen? Yes, I think hold on to give you permission but I don't see you on my
screen. There you are. Okay. Okay. Share your screen. Thank you. Can everyone see this? Okay. Yeah. I'll zoom in a little bit. Zoom in a little bit here. So, we have um one of five lots on 100,000
Harbor Road. This one is actually closest to the butter to the south. Um heading back towards Mass A. Um there was a wetland that actually went all the way back up in behind the properties where it comes most relevant to the
buffer zone on this lot is right here. Any work for the other four lots is out of the 100t buffer zone. Um the yellow line is the 100 ft buffer zone. The dotted line behind that is 50. The dotted line behind that one is 30. The
highlighted in the green is the edge of wetland resource area. The only portion of the work that falls within the buffer zone is a perimeter drain outlet here heading to basically the area where you
have the overstory and stone walls. Um the stonewall street side here, stone wall separating the abuters's lot here. This wetland system continues on towards where it says Michael A. Rash to the um
the south uh west. Um the only two comments I got from the DP, this work doesn't come any closer than approximately 80 ft to the wetland. Um D did send along a couple of comments um
on the RDA. Uh one was about storm water. Um but the storm there is no like centralized storm water with the detention basin or anything like that. Storm water has been accomplished by on-site grading. Um it has gone through
the planning board for each individual lot. The planning board has issued storm water permits approving that. I did call the EP and review that with them cuz they were for some reason they made the assumption without seeing the rest of this the ANR lots that there was some
type of like elaborate storm war system when there wasn't. Um the other comment they made was in the agricultural field in this area um there were wet spots. Um it's a former hay field and a former crop field. And a lot of times what
winds up happening is you get areas that are graded for irrigation. You get areas that have packed down from hay over the years where you wind up having like trailer, you know, like tractor tracks that wind up creating potential uh wet spots. Um I did evaluate the field by
soils to check for any isolated wetlands protectable on your bylaw. Didn't find any. There are areas basically over to the east and over here where the septic system is that do contain some um
facultative wetland vegetation. But the soils there um the the I think the darkest they go are 33. There's no modeling in any of those spots. And um some of the areas where the wet spot was um you have perks and wetlands don't
perk. So, it was definitively, you know, there wasn't any resource areas there other than the BBW that I had found, which actually gets quite extensive as you go in the back of the tree line, um, going behind the other lots, but there's no work proposed in the buffer zone of
that wetland. U, I think you guys have seen enough of my delineations to know I tend to be a little bit more on the cautious side and try to give difference to the wetland um, in every situation. But that's about it. Um, I'm free to any
questions you want to send my way. Um, smoke signals, MOS code, whatever. I'll be more than happy to answer. Thank you. Uh, do we have any questions from members of the commission? Madame Chair. Yes.
uh through you Matt did in your delineation report did you mark the areas that you um took samples course I have um delineation sheets yeah I don't have them in a lot of those areas
because I found nothing so what would have been submitted um would have been relative to this area over here and the areas behind it if you want the data I can submit the data but I can tell you everything on this site especially in the field, it's all Paxton. It's all
well drained. Um the areas over here, uh you've got different types of soils up behind the tree line. Even though you have Paxton mixed in, you have more mucky soils up at the top and the back of the tree line, which basically bleed down to this area over here. So, a lot
of what's out here actually follows contour and is based more on hydrarology than anything else because you can see some water backing up during periods of high flow. Um, I know I reviewed that with the the commission on, you know, the other commissioners on the sitewalk. Made sure to have the back end of this
area um staked out so they could see the back edge of the house in relation to the work and in relation to the wetland. So just if if you can maybe make a narrative in your um wetlands delineation report that um satisfies the comments that D
had made. Yeah, I can add data sheets to my submitt and you know show you specifically where the areas are considering I do have a plan of the entire like proposed subdivision. um I can draw on that, you know, basically
through, you know, a PDF and make reference to it so that you can have sheets that correspond to it. That's not a it's not an issue at all. Okay. Per Thank you very much. And I'm just looking, we have a D number. There's no number. It's an RDA.
RDA. Oh, okay. Yeah, they comment on RDAs, too, in case they see anything they want to comment on. Uh if you want to add that as a as a condition, I'll be more than happy to submit that. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Thank you. Um and I say I you know, we went out on a sitew walk to this um site over the weekend and I didn't have any concerns uh about this or any questions. Do we have any other questions from members of the
commission? None for me, Madam Chair. I have one other court question, Madam Chair. Yeah. Where would we find the IDA comments from D? They don't put them on the portal. What they do is they email it to both the administrative staff and they would
normally copy me. Um, so I know when I saw the email there was a copy to Herurland and there was a copy to Sophia as well. Oh, okay. Those get into I you mentioned them on the sitewalk, but do those get into
open gov? I'll have to check so we have a record of them in open gov so we know what the I have to admit I have not seen those before. Honestly, they they do them commonly now. I mean, yeah, you could basically just have the email
printed out as a PDF on, you know, one of the staff's computers and then they could take that PDF and upload it to the portal on that account because sometimes I sometimes I don't get them. Sometimes they just send it to staff. Um,
and you know that I kind of have an issue with because I'd like to know if they have any comments. This time I was made privy to the comments, which is good. But sometimes they just send comments out. Um, and you know, they should be doing that to the applicants as well if if they
have something to say because you know there isn't really a comment procedure or review procedure on an RDA that normally bears comments. This is something new. Um, I do remember seeing it once a couple months ago. Yeah, I mean it does happen.
Um, as you guys know, I do part-time agent work in Westminster, so I will occasionally get comments on RDAs, and I'll share them with the applicants if the applicants aren't copy, but a lot of times the applicants are. Um, and sometimes the comments are more cautionary than like, oh, there's a
problem. Um, for example, I filed a septic system in Lancaster and there was a flood plane off the lot, but they just told the agent, hey, you know, double check the FEMA maps and verify it anyway. um probably missed the fact that I had the FEMA map on the submittal, but
I mean those are the types of comments that come in. Okay. Okay. Thank you. If we can, Madame Chair, maybe direct the um the administrator to add those to the
open GF portal and to share those with members where we don't get to see them, but they clearly are concerns D has about a submitt. Yep, absolutely. And then Sophie, would you mind adding it says you were copied on them. Would you
mind adding those to open gov at some point? Um, yeah. I was just looking through them now. Um, I can figure out a way to like download it as like a PDF or something hopefully. Yeah. If you just hit print on the email
and then print it as a PDF, that should work. Okay. Um, do we have any other questions from members of the commission? Um, all my pins disappeared, which is weird.
It does not appear that we do. Um, do we have any comments from members of the public? Okay. Does not appear. Oh, Sophie, have your hand up. Yeah. Um, I was just looking closer at who was um in the
correspondence with the uh D with the file numbers and uh the comments. Um, it appears that um I'm also seeing the LCC lunenberg mass.gov included in that. Okay.
Um, did anyone from the office respond to it? Oh, I'm just not that particular one. I'm just looking at one of the more recent ones. Okay. Is it a a an NOI or a RDA?
Uh, this one looks like 1178 load. Okay. Yeah. So, we'll um be start attaching stuff like that to the open gov record so that the commissioners have some visibility on it. We don't have visibility on the LCC email.
So, Oh, I I thought you Okay. I thought the commission did. Okay. No, just the office. Okay. Yeah. You see anything like that, throw it in open gov. That would be great. We'll do. Um, okay. So, do we have any doesn't
appear that we have any comments from members of the public. So, I think I would be looking for a motion to approve with a special condition
that we um add the gosh, I forgot what it was. I went to write it down and I got sidetracked. Was it the markers of the the mass delineation data? Yes.
Do I have a motion? So moved. Do I have a second? Second, Mike. Okay. So I have the motion by Richard and the second by Mike. Uh we have a roll call vote. Um Richard Bers I. Mike Larouche. I St.
Germaine. Hi. Mary Wilson. I Betty Det. I Andrea Bernap. Hi. And I for myself. I didn't forget. Okay. All right. Thank you so much, Matt. I
will get to work on those. Thank you very much. Um I appreciate your time. Have a good night. Thanks. You too. Okay. So, um, moving on to continued public hearings.
Uh, next is 67 Island Road. Um, do we have I'm not seeing the applicant here. I think she Oh, she know what she asked for a continuence um to most likely the next meeting. So, like
to open it, continue it, right? and then we move on. Um, so a public hearing on a request for termination of applicability by Melissa Canavino for the renovation of a patio, stairs, and walkway within the 50-ft buffer zone of Hickory Hills Lake. Um,
and then the applicant has requested that this meeting be moved to at least the next meeting, which is July 16th. So, do I have a motion to continue? So, moved. Second. All right. So, we have the motion by Richard and the second by
Chris. Actually, I think it was Ma Mike that did it. Was that you, Mike? Yes, it was. I'm I'm okay. Voice like Rich tonight. So, Madam Chair, I maybe I missed it. I'm
trying to log in here. Did you do the preamble before to open the hearing? I did the the in accordance with the requirements of the open meeting laugh thing. Yep. I may have missed it. No, the um I heard it
for each each individual hearing the according to Mass General law chapter 131 section 40 is amended in the town of Lunberg Island Protection and Municipal bylaw. We are hearing for continued for whatever Island Road. Um I did not you
know because I'm so used to it being there and just reading what's there. So should I do it again? Yeah, you should read that that that authority should be read for every hearing. Okay. So, I'm going say pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40
in the town of Lunenburgg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws, a continued public hearing for 67 Island Road RDA 24-9. It's public hearing on a request for determination of applicability by Melissa Canabino for the renovation of patio stairs and
walkway within the 50ft buffer zone of Hickory Hills Lake. And um the applicant has requested that this be continued till at least 7:16. So I'd be looking for a motion to continue to the
July 16th, 2025 meeting. So moved. Second, Richard. Mike. Okay. All right. So that's the motion from Richard and a second from Mike. Yes.
Yeah. Roll call vote. Richard Burch. I Mike Larouche. Hi Chris St. Germaine. Hi Mary Wilson. Hi Petty Det. Hi Andrea
Bernap. Hi. And I for myself. All right. So we have up next uh continued public hearing. So that is pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 in the town of Lutenberg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws a
continued public hearing for 183 Northfield Road NI-25-10 and it's a notice of intent by Tanner Cole for construction of a common driveway to serve as four single family dwellings to be served by private wells and on-site sewage disposal system
involving the crossing of a bordering vegetated wetland in two locations with all proposed dwelling dwelling ings and private driveways outside the 100 ft buffer zone. Do we have um the applicant or their
representative on the call today? It does not appear. So, um Sophie, have you heard anything from them about asking for a continuence? I definitely did not get any notification from this. No.
Okay. Um, so where the applicant does not appear to be here, best practice is to continue yes to the next meeting.
Um, so I'd be looking for a motion to continue to the July 14 July 16th, 2025 meeting. So moved. So moved. Second. Richard. All right. Who was the first?
Mike. Mike first. And Richard second. All right. Roll call vote. Um, Richard Burch. I. Mike Larouche. Hi. Chris St. Germaine. Hi. Mary Wilson. Hi. Eddie
Det. Hi. Andrea Bernard. Hi. And I for myself. So um up next, pursuant to MGL chapter 131
section 40 and town of Ludenberg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws, we have 390 Howard Street uh for a public hearing on an abbreviated notice of resource area delineation by Kevin O'Brien at 390 Howard Street.
Do we have the applicant or the representative on the meeting tonight? I do know that the office reached out to them and asked them to be here. I am not seeing anyone here tonight for
this hearing. So, looks like we have to continue to the next meeting and we can't do anything if they're not here. So, I guess I'd be looking for a motion
to continue to July 16th, 2025. Um, Madam Chair, I do have one question. Um so have we actually closed the gap? The last I recalled uh we did not we had not received the final um surveylo flag um
the drawing with the updated surveylo wetlands flags. Have we received that yet? Um not to anyone's knowledge. Sophie checked her email yesterday and did not receive anything. Uh they've gone through the LCC email and not found
anything. Hurland did ask Chuck Karen for um anything that he might have and he did not have anything. So, and we haven't seen anything come from is it art Allen. Um so, as far as I know, as
far as the office knows, we have not received anything. Thank you for that clarification. I I just I I just wonder I mean if you'll bear with me another minute the applicant hasn't showed up a lot right and they've been asked to come.
Yeah. Um and so I wonder if it's in the uh town's interest to keep continuing these if the applicants no longer interested in pursuing it. Uh I agree. And I don't I don't know the I actually don't know the answer. Um it may be
worth um talking to Adam Costa about, but um yeah, we can't I can't approve it without the actual drawings, right? Um and I don't know that there
any actions that we're waiting on to make a decision besides getting those drawings. Um maybe maybe you know one thing to consider is is telling them that if we don't get the drawings and they don't come to a hearing that we we will close
it, right? Or you'll put it to a vote, right? Uh which would likely close it. I would imagine most of the conservation commissioners would not want to approve something without a a drawing. Um I agree. and it it's been, you know,
months. So, we've been out there, I think, in last winter, the winter before last and in the fall and in the spring, and we haven't seen anything since then. And it was, you know, kind of rapidly changing in between the two visits that we were
there. So, I'd like to see if they were going to provide something, I'd want to see something fairly recent at this point, even if they had provided. Well, they haven't provided anything. So, sounds like for tonight we would
continue to the next meeting. Um, have the office reach out again and say that they need to come to the meeting or we can't keep continuing it. Uh they need to my thought is that they
would need to come to a meeting and they would need to provide the plan the updated survey located you know updated updated plan with the surveylo wetlands flag. Um and that we will
you know they don't do that that we'll you'll push to go ahead and close the meeting or put the you know whatever the correct jargon is. Rich is probably closer to it than me uh with the commission to make a a decision.
Okay. Yeah, I agree. Does anyone else have any input on that? No, I agree. I would make a motion that we continue until the what's the date? The 16th of July.
and reach out to the applicant and list out the information that we do need prior to that hearing or we will be taking a vote to deny the application for lack of action on the applicant's part. Okay. Do I have a second for that
motion? Second. All right. I'm going to give Richard the motion and Mary the second. Okay. Roll call vote. Uh, Richard Burch. Hi, Mike Larouche. Hi,
Christine Germaine. Hi, Mary Wilson. Hi. And those are all the people in the meeting that can vote on that because Petty and Andrea and I cannot or to continue. Are we Can we continue? I don't Yes, you can continue. You just
can't vote on a deliberation. Okay. Teddy det I believe I thought I think I have to recuse myself from this because my address is very close oh right yes
good callrea burnout hi and then I for myself make a note Okay, up next we are moving on to administrative determinations. Um I know that uh our interim
administrator had spotty availability over the past couple weeks. Um over the past week actually I should say. So, I checked 30 Peninsula Drive. I did not see any notes in there um before the
meeting. Sophie, do you know anything that I may not know as far as that application goes? I don't see any notes from Herlin, though. I'm double checking now.
It looks like it was just put on hold by Herlin. Um, there was some back and forth with the applicant. That was June 26. So, anything after
that, if you're up to date on that, then there's nothing more that I would know. Okay. Um, and then do we have any we don't do we have the applicant on the line? Yes, I'm here. Oh, Martin Thomas
from 30 Peninsula Drive. Okay. Um, do you have anything that you would like to share with us or verbally or pictures or tell us a little bit about what you're doing? Well, uh, I simply want to remove one dead pine tree. Um, I have uploaded
pictures of it, um, to open Gov, um, which clearly show that it is dead. Um, it's a safety hazard. If it falls in any direction, it's capable of causing either um personal injury, um property damage, um I've already got permission
from the Hickory Hills land owners to remove it and um I've had um tree services come and they agree that it needs to go and um I'd just like approval to take it out. Okay. Um, Sophie, would you mind sharing
the pictures since you're in open gov just to show the I can do that. Thank you. Um, host disabled participant screen sharing. Oh, whoops. Hold on.
You should be all set now. Okay. So, um, this is the tree in question. Yes, it is. There should be four pictures in total. Okay. It appears that there's three here. There may be another one.
I think that there was one that shows shaded limbs. I was able to upload one. and I couldn't update the the next two, so Logan did it. Um, and then there should be one final picture that's dated a little bit later just showing that branches have
already started to fall to the ground. That's the bottom picture. It looks like Sophie. Yeah, that's the most recent. And then would you mind pulling up the original pictures, Sophie? Yep.
You talking about the these right here? Yeah. It's very close to the water. So, um looking for a little bit of guidance from members that have been on the commission longer where this is a conservation administrator determination. Um but we
haven't had a conservation administrator out there. Can we um give guidance on this or vote on this? Certainly. Okay. All right. So, um, do we have any comments from members
or questions from members of the commission on this or about these pictures or Richard? Uh, yes, Madam Chair. Is the tree coming down and the stump remaining?
I was going to leave the um the stump in the ground to secure the um the soil. Good answer. Thank you very much, Madam Chair. And then, oh, Mary. Yeah, I don't really have a question. I just want to have mostly just a comment
that um I noticed that the house is on a well-wooded lot and I I really appreciate the resident um keeping uh that canopy cover and and uh preserving it. U so thank you for that. You're
welcome. might like the trees too. So, as far as um replacement for this, we have a a formula, right, of what we should be replacing this with or should we be replacing this? Sophie,
anyone do we have a discretion where there's Oh, I should Sorry. No, you're fine. Do we have a discretion when where where he's got a lot that's very well populated with trees? I mean, I know there's a formula like a two for one, but where he's got plenty of trees
there, do we still have to enforce that? I mean, I think common sense in there when it's one tree. Oh, Rich Richard. Uh, yeah. Thank you, Madam Chair. Yeah, it I've always assumed that it was at
our discretion, but that was the recommendation that's in the um the regulation and where it is a well um treated lot as Mary commented and he's not removing the tree without and
pulling the stump and disturbing the area. So, personally, I would have no problem with just allowing him to remove the tree. Okay? as long as he's not disturbing the other growth in the area, other other trees will come up. It looks like there was a birch and some other
things in that general vicinity. Okay, thank you for that. Do we have any other comments or questions from members of the commission? Um I just wanted to add um that there is
a replacement ratio but it also varies on what the commission feels with the I would say the tree the overall percent cover of the area. You wouldn't want to try to replace a tree um in a already densely covered area with a lot of shade. Um but the replacement ratio
itself, the trees that are less than 8 in um DBH um requires one tree replacement. Trees that are larger um more like 8 to 20 in DBH require two replacement. Trees and
then trees that are even bigger than that around 20 in require three. Okay. Yep, that's what it is. Thank you. Yeah, for refreshing me. So, um, any other comments or questions
from members of the commission? Doesn't look like it. So, this would be I'd be looking for a motion to approve the removal of the tree and keeping the stump in place. So, move. So, move. Second, Richard. All
right. Uh, motion to Mike and second to Richard. And then roll call vote. Um Richard Burch. Hi. Mike Larouche. Hi. Chris St. Germaine. Hi. Mary Wilson. I
Teddy Ducet. I Andrea Bernap. Hi. And I for myself. Okay. Um motion to approve. Thank you so much for coming in. Okay. Thank you for the approval. I appreciate it. Have a
good night. Yes, you too. Bye now. Thank you. Bye. Right. Up next we have 167 Hounds and Harbor um
with a administrative determination. Let me just check open gov on this one. Do we have the applicant or the representative on the call? Not seeing anyone. This is
they're looking to remove three dead trees. I don't believe has had a chance to be out there yet either. So, we will move on from this one because we don't have any thing in open gov or any information on it and
the applicant's not here. Um, we don't have any extension request permits. Uh, we have a request for a certificate of compliance from 42 Pearl Street. See if there's any notes on that one.
Um, I there was not last time I looked. Oh, maybe I'm thinking they have two in here. Um, I'm going to share my screen and share Herllin's
notes with the commission. So uh segmented retaining walls have been installed in step terraces as proposed. The design appears consistent with the site plan and includes a central stairway for access between elevations. Stabilization and
landscaping of the terraces has been completed. Plantings include ornamental shrubs and ground cover consistent with erosion control objectives. Lawn areas above and below the wall are stable and vegetated. Stormwater discharge point located in the southwest corner of the lot has been constructed with rib wrap
and proper grading. The outlet is stabilized with stone and no signs of erosion or sediment transport were observed. The deck driveway and home footprint match what is shown on the approved plan. No evidence of unauthorized expansion into buffer zones was observed. No construction debris or
temporary controls remain on site and the overall project area is fully stabilized. Field conditions are consistent with the approved plan set in prior orders of conditions. Specific design elements, including walls, drainage features, and vegetated stabilization have been completed as
approved. No resource area impacts were observed during the inspection. Set appears to meet the performance standards for the certificate of compliance. proper stabilization of all disturbed areas, implementation of erosion control and storm water management features, no outstanding or unapproved work, no violations or
unauthorized encroachments within buffer zones. And then we have a couple pictures um with some notes and then I cannot all my stuff is in place is in front of this so I can't get out of it.
And then there's a another one. Here we go. I really don't like the way pictures open in open gov. Looks like where the discharge is. Let me know if I'm going too fast for
anybody. I already showed that one. All right. Um, so I think we could, you know, look at closing this out based on the administrator notes. Does anyone have any questions or comments about this?
Madam Chair, I would make a motion to approve. Okay, great. Second. Do I have a second? Second, Mike. Second. Okay. Roll call vote. Uh, Richard Burch,
I. Mike Larouche. Hi Chris St. Germaine. Hi Mary Wilson. Hi Teddy Ducet. Hi Andrea Bernap. I and I for myself.
Okay. Approved. All right. And then the next is 390 New Towns and Road. Let me close all of those tabs I
just opened. And it does not look like we have any notes in this one. Do we have um the applicant on the call? Sophie, nice. Sorry, I can't unmute. Um there
seems not on Yeah, the site inspections. You are correct. Thank you. All right. So, let me um read these over. The primary and reserve leeching areas are stabilized and no evidence of erosion, ponding or grading inconsistencies were
observed. Inspection ports were noted as installed in accordance with plan detail. The disturbed areas have been fully loaned and seated. Vegetative cover was established and consistent throughout the graded areas. Lawn area within the 100t buffer is stable and does not show any signs of recent
disturbance. The edge of wetlands is clearly demarcated on the plan and corresponds to the field conditions. The 30-foot no touch zone and the 50- foot and 100 foot buffer zones are respected and free of encroachments or debris. A replication area noted on the plan was
observed. Vegetation appears to have successfully established. A small structure gazebo is located outside the 50ft buffer to the wetland boundary. It is not appear to conflict with any restrictions noted in the order of conditions that appears to be in compliance with the approved plans and
the conditions set forth in order conditions. There is no evidence of non-compliance, erosion or buffer zone violations. And then we have some pictures. Um Anyone have any questions while I'm going
through these or comments? So, I think I would be looking for a motion to approve based on the interim admin notes. So, move Richard.
Do I have a second? Was that you, Chris? Second, Mike. Okay. Um, roll call vote. Richard Burch. Hi Mike Larouche. Hi Chris. Germaine. Hi
Mary Wilson. Hi Eddie Det. I Andrea Bernard. Hi. Right. Certificate of nonviolence. Okay. So up next
um we have enforcements the violation and enforcement act enforcement actions and hearings. Um so we have 10 mass. I have not heard anything new. I know that the the office was going to check on that. Um I did
talk to I talked to Sophie about it yesterday and there had been no movement on that. Right, Sophie? That's what we talked about yesterday. Yeah. To Massav. And then same for 1168
Massav rear. Um looking for some support from the office for that. And then 452. I said the boulders are in place. I did. We get the certificate of compliance on that one. I know they were no going to get it out.
U Madam Chair. Uh, yes. I thought the sticking point was who's actually going to submit the request. Yes, that's right. Um, so and it it it
definitely has to be the town because it's the town property even though the applicants or the people listed on the original application were the homeowners that are
across the street is is my thinking. Um, I guess you guys have to get more guidance on that. That's consistent with my own um understanding as well. I think
uh Rich was the dissenting voice uh last time. Step away for a second. Oh. Oh, that that's where we talked about it in the meeting. Um I was trying I was looking through my email like where was I where did I hear this? It was when I watched
the meeting. Um, so yeah, let me we'll have to ask the the office to get guidance. So Sophie 452, do you remember that? I I do recall it.
So, the DPW did they they mostly um it's re rest restabilized it back to its original condition and the DPW went out and put boulders down so people can't use it any longer. Um, and
then we we requested that the office create a certificate of compliance on behalf of the town because it's town property, but uh there's a difference of opinion whether we should be doing it on behalf of the town or whether the
people who were listed in the original application should be requesting the certificate of compliance. I'm on the the town should be doing it side since it's technically town property. Um would you make a note to look into that and then I'll also follow up with an email
just to you and her. Yeah, that's an interesting one especially since it started out very odd with with the violation and yeah, how would that transpired? Yep. Yep.
Okay. All right. I'll follow up on that. Um, I I am glad that that was finally carried out, though. Yeah, me too. Nice to get something done. Okay, so I'm going to move on to 390
Howard Street. Nothing. Um, 48 Meadow Lane. Nothing there. Um, 1147 Massav, not heard anything. um 314 Highland Street.
Nothing there. And then basically nothing on 19 on 199 Massavi there. We're really just um kind of trying to get through the things that we need to get through in the office and uh we will get to these eventually. It's on it's definitely on
their plate. All right. Um new business Uh, we don't have any Does anybody have any new business tonight? Wait, I just noticed is the Okay, the budget is on the next one. I
have um I don't have a full budget update, but I did get guidance. I'm moving on to old business. Um so for the conservation budget I did request budget
um information I did not receive that but I did receive that we have to vote on our fiscal year 2026 budget. So we have uh the for the timber rights funds.
Let me pull this up. So, we have there's a spending limit of $10,000. This is Let me share my screen. There's not a lot to share here. Okay. Can everybody see my screen? Yes. So, I was given this Excel spreadsheet
from Ezekiel Ayala in the office and we have $10,000 spending limit to for the fiscal year of 2026 to divvy up between these two funds which is the purchase of service and supplies.
Um, I would love any guidance on how we should divvy this up, how we would look at this. Does anyone have any suggestions, Madam Chair? Yes. Well, maybe we should hear from Sophie
first. Sophie, do you have any suggestions here? Um, I uh I would say I'm really caught off guard because I haven't even reviewed this yet. So, I don't know if I'm in the position right now to be able
to give feedback on it. Okay. Um, Madam Chair, thank you. I just thought I heard um Sophie's voice um simultaneous with mine. I wasn't trying to put her on the spot. Um, well, we haven't we haven't voted on this allocation before, but you know, of
course, moving forward uh in time, as we move forward in time, if there's an opportunity to do what we do better, uh, I, you know, I for one would embrace it. But I we don't tend to have a forecast for
these types of things out of timber rights. It's as the need arises because it's maintenance of our um trail systems is primarily where uh we allocate you know allocate the um these funds uh if
if the best practice is to do it and then as I understand you know with the budget if we allocate it and then we run out with a overage in one um you know um subgroup and a and an under underfunding
in the other. We can do some paperwork and transfer funds from one uh area to the next. Um I think I might be closest to the run rate of trails um of anybody here. I would definitely uh say we want to purchase uh uh supplies more often
than we want to purchase um services. So, I would I would allocate um or suggest allocating 9,000 to supplies and 1,000 to service. Okay. Um so, yeah, that sounds very
reasonable to me. The what I was told is that we were supposed to submit it last year, but they forgot to ask us. Um but supposedly we did it the year before, but the spending limit is different every year because it's voted on at town meeting. So, um yeah. Yeah. So I Madam
Chair, we have not done it in the three years that I've been on the conservation commission. Okay. So yeah, now there might have been a conversation between the chair and the uh you know current sitting administrator, but it wasn't um on any of the agendas that I was present
for. Okay, that makes sense. I couldn't find it anywhere. Um but what I was told is we have to vote on it. So, I definitely in order to vote on it, maybe this is something new that they're maybe it wasn't voted on in the past, but maybe it's being voted on now and in the
future. Yeah. And if it's an improvement, I I'm in favor of improvements and better rigor. Okay. So, do we have any other comments? I think that Mary's comment seems like a a good idea to me. I can definitely see where
we would need supplies more than services, but does anyone else have any suggestions or other ways of thinking? Um, Madam Chair, yes. I just have a question because I am new to this. And
is there any sort of example of things that we would specifically spend this money on? Like a specific example from last year? Yeah. Mary, do you want to take that or? Great. How much time do I have? All the time in the world.
We're moving pretty quickly tonight. Uh yeah. Um Sophie may have something to add though. Uh looks like she raised her hand. You want to You can start and then I can fill in anything that you might have missed. Yeah. Well, you know, I was
just asking for some examples. So uh you know we have several conservation areas um Teddy and uh we have bridges in those areas and anytime you have a bridge you have to do maintenance of bridges. Uh we
also have uh really active uh volunteer uh groups. Um the snow riders uh Bob Peas, former commissioner, has been uh really kind of our uh our informal uh
coordinator of um of uh trail improvements and whatnot. Right. So, he's been working on going out and actually surveying all of the bridges in town and coming back and giving us advice about where we need to, you know, uh uh put materials to improve bridges.
We are trying to open up a um new trail system uh in Table Rock uh which is on Northfield Road. Uh because we we and you may know we had a we had a mass trails grant uh that we were awarded
last year to do planning work to put in parking areas because there's really not robust parking for Table Rock. And so that new trail system would be coming out directly out of the parking area and then interconnecting with the rest of the trail system. That required a number
of boardwalks and um at least one bridge and uh and then we're trying to get you know at least one of the things I know uh in the next um fiscal year uh catwalks added. There's a there's a trail that goes on the north side of
Mulpus um brook and the cowry uh that ends up being really wet and and what happens in areas where we have wet trails is people tend to you know walk a little bit off trail and walk a little bit more off trail which means that we have the trail getting wider and wider
and wider in a sensitive area next to you know the creek. Uh we we would want people definitely to see on trail. So, if we add catwalks in that area, it'll keep people um and you know, bike riders, trail users out of the out of
the wet and the damp and on the trail uh so we're not um you know uh causing any damage um you know where that trail is uh closest to the water area. Um and we do have I think Jenny there have been a
couple of um Eagle Scouts that have been talking to you about getting on agenda sometime in the near future. Uh and they um you know of course know that we can't um commit funding uh until we have a hearing uh and it's the will of the
entire body that we commit funding but it would be nice if we could um provide some budget support for them uh for the uh I think one wants to build a kiosk uh at the Raino property which is on Northfield Road but closer to the Chase roadside. Um, and then another one is
looking to do in the small town forest uh some improvements there to make it accessible to people with uh mobility limitations um and maybe put in a um a picnic area. So, it would be nice if we could uh you
know, as a group we at least had the budget, right? because you can't make a decision if you don't have the budget. But at least if we have the budget support for something like that, then the commission could decide uh as a body to either fund it or not fund it. Thank you. Thank you.
And then Sophie, did you want to add anything to that? Um no, Mary actually had more information than I had. Mary's very she's very involved in all this stuff. Um she coordinates a lot of
our volunteers and does a lot of great stuff for the trails and the trail systems. Yeah, I would have liked to know more about the trails and what's going on with the trails and be more updated about that.
Oh, Chris, raise your hands. Yeah, speaking of trails, um there's a lot of trees down um around me. Uh some in the convers conservation land, some in our connecting trails like for the
the corridors for the snowmobile um club. So, I just want to put that out there that um there is some cons there's some work to be done on probably a lot of our trails. I need to go up to the small town forest in Cry as well. I think that windstorm really did a number
on our trails. So, um, keep an eye out if you're out there and report them back. Um, I'll be out there with my chainsaw trying to get what I can. Okay, great. Awesome. And then, um, I know that Bob has some people, too, that he
has that That's a good point. I will, um, I'm gonna I'll I'll reach out to him to make sure, uh, co to coordinate to see what he's got going. Okay. Awesome. Thank you, Chris. So, as far as this
budget goes, do we have any other comments or questions? So, chair? Yes. May May I make a formal motion to allocate 9,000 to um supplies and 1,000 to purchase of service?
Absolutely. Do we have a second? Second. Who was was that? I heard Chris. Was it time? We'll give it to Chris. Yay. All right. So, um, roll call vote to,
uh, to update our timber's budget for $9,000 allocated to supplies and $1,000 allocated to purchase of service. Uh, roll call vote. Richard Burch I, Mike Larouche, I, Chris St. Germaine,
I. Mary Wilson, I. Petty Det, I. Andrea Bernard I and I for myself. I will let um the finance office know. All right. Open space and land use. Uh
do we have any grants upids, Mary, or anyone else? Uh one uh one grant update. Uh so the um mass trails grant uh that we're currently working uh for the improvement of the you know or
planning for the parking areas which is you know the engineering analysis designs and um permitting. Uh we I had submitted the request for reimbursement uh to mass trails but I needed to get the uh cancelled checks. Um I was
checking my email over the past couple of days and and Mileen Mari was able to get me the canceled checks. So that is the only thing that was missing for that partial reimbursement uh which includes you know all of the work for the Raino
park and area all engineering work for and permitting for Raino similar for Table Rock. Uh so we should be reimbursed for those something to the tune of $28,000 I think um for a $34,000 expenditure. Uh so then what's left on
the grant is uh the work uh down in the Cry uh with the uh on the towns and uh Harbor side uh access point. It's extensive. It's extensive um planning work uh because there are there are a lot of um you know
um AHJs down there authorities having jurisdiction. Uh but uh you know hopefully we'll get um we'll get that done before uh the end of the calendar year. Awesome. Well, as always, thank you for
everything you do on that front, Mary. Um my pleasure. Okay. Um, conservation land improvement updates have gone over a lot of that
stuff and other topics, but do we have anything else that we want to talk about? No further updates from me. Okay. Um, the Hollis Road residents. And so I just want to so for Andrea and Teddy, we have
um I think if you've both been to the pollinator habitat, there's a residence um to the right of that habitat that's also part of that property and it is we the conservation commission kind of oversees it. There's a tenant there. Um and then also just the pollinator
habitat. Mike is very involved in maintenance and helping out at the pollinator habitat. So we like to get an update on the we call that the Hollis road residence. So um at every meeting we do a little update and see what's going on there. So Mike, do you or does
anyone have any updates on the Hollis Road residents? I have Go ahead. No, you go. Okay. Um, we were approached by um Justin Harrison um a week or so ago regarding his Eagle
Scout project. Yes. And uh anyone who might be involved in this in the scouting knows that um an eagle scout determines he wants to do a project and he in turn selected the pollinator
habitat as his choice to provide a rainarrel system. Um, and there's a 32page how to do this for the Eagle Scout
project where you essentially um get the funding to do this project. you get uh to speak with the group which uh Justin did speak with the um members of the volunteers of the
pollinator habitat to see if this would be a good project for us. Uh it seemed like it was a no-brainer. He got all of the the fundraising for the project in the tune of $814
and all he needed was permission to he submitted a plan of what he was going to do. Um, all we had to do was join him and kind of make room around the small shed that is the lock shed that it's not
a large roof, but enough that I provided a gutter system as well as a down spout. Over the weekend, we had to clear a lot of uh uh brush in order for him to do the project. We discovered a few hornets
nests which I was able to uh get out of the way so no one would get harmed in doing the project. And um it looks like we got the downspout and the gutter in over the weekend
and you'll come back on this Saturday to finish that project with the uh barrel itself and attach it to the down spout. So, there'll be an additional water source uh that will like we have than the
larger shed that we did a year or so ago. Um so, we'll have more water source for the pollinator habitat. Uh as as you know, we have to fill up jugs of water and uh
individually water new plants uh as well as plants that are established. But hopefully less as plants do become established, you know, we can rely on just regular rain, but new plants need that source of water. So this you know
any advant any uh way of getting an additional um source for water that uh we don't have to have the fire department come in and fill up our tanks that we have on
site is really an advantage for all the volunteers as well as lessens the um the reliability of the fire department to have to come fill up our tanks. Um, so we were very uh glad to see
Justin and his crew come in over the weekend on Saturday and um do this incredible uh rain barrel for uh the habitat. So, we're very happy to report
that uh we have another water uh rain barrel source uh on the pollinator habitat. That's amazing. I didn't realize when you said you were going to meet him on Sunday that you were going to start work that day. I thought he was just going to
show you some stuff. He, you know, he's a boy scout. He's prepared. He's ready to go. That's amazing. I love that. So, um, there there was a funny thing he had where he brought his sawzall and he wanted to know where to plug in and we
had to inform him that there's no electricity at the pollinator habitat. So, I went home and got my battery operated u chainsaw so we're able to cut brush and uh get things out of the way for him
and uh so everything worked out awesome. So, I I really appreciate you uh helping him out and doing that and coordinating that, Mike. That's great. And the blackeyed susanss are in full bloom and so are other uh wild flowers. So, you
know, if you want to get a show, uh this is the week to to do that. Yeah, I know. I need to get out there. All the stuff in my yard is blooming, so I can't even imagine what it looks like there. I haven't been in a couple weeks. Yeah. Chris, I saw you had your hand up. Did
you? Yeah. I was wondering, are you going to have a gravity system over that or is it just are you just uh going to be transporting water from those barrels to the plants? Um, that's how we do it. There's, you know, the rain barrel has a spigot and,
uh, we turn on the spigot, fill up containers of water. Uh, but as we get more, uh, sources, we don't have to walk so far to bring that water to the plants. Okay. So, that was a good advantage getting one more source closer
to uh some of the plantings uh in the small lock shed that has uh enough roof area so when it does rain it fills up the barrels in no time. Yeah, that's great.
Mary, you had your hand up. Yeah. Yeah. while um while Mike was talking, I mean this awesome awesome uh that we had Eagle Scout project and particularly with the water in the um in the pollinator habitat area, but it reminded me that we just had a a volunteer um one
of the National Honor Society students went around and updated all our existing trail head kiosk. And one of the things that um we asked her to do uh was we created a little QR code um you know on a on a placard that basically said hey
all of the work uh all all of the the work here is done by volunteers and all the maintenance you know improvements are all done by volunteers we can use your help and a QR code that takes people to a Google form and I thought you know I haven't looked at that in a couple of weeks and we've actually had
uh two people volunteer already through that um that QR code to Google form interface. Very cool. That is cool. That's awesome. Can I also add one thing? We had a lot of help from the volunteers of the
pollinator habitat this weekend. So, a shout out to Christina, uh to Jenny, and to Pam. They were all present while uh we were cutting brush away. They were hauling it away for uh
composting and recycling. So, you know, took a lot of effort to uh get all that work done. Even though we had a lot of scouts and their friends and volunteers, the pollinator habitat was there in full
force to also assist on the project. Amazing. I love it. Right. Well, thank you so much, Mike. Okay. Um, committee reports. Do you have anything from open space, Chris? No, we
have a meeting coming up later this month and maybe I'll have something after that. And then for storm water, um, we did meet this month. We just went over more uh how so we're looking to implement a
storm water utility and we went over a little bit more how we're um classifying properties and what their utility would be based on what kind of property they are and kind of figuring out what properties would be what
cost um what fee per quarter. So, we're just still kind of ironing things out. And then, do we have any communications or public comment? I don't think we have any members of the public on anymore. We
do not have any communications from commissioners. So, I um where where we're done pretty quickly. Uh I don't know if this is somebody tell me if this is okay. I'd be willing to stay on after the meeting or I don't know if we would record this or
not and just kind of go over open Gov for Andrea and Teddy if they wanted or I could definitely talk to you guys outside of a meeting and show you openv a little bit just so you could see how that works. Um, I don't know if that's something I know we've done trainings, but I don't know if we put them on the
agenda before. There's like five minutes kind of you probably saw it while I was using it in the meeting. Um, just to, you know, make sure you guys are kept up to speed and know how to use the tools that we have because OpenGV is amazing. We just got it about a year ago
and it's where applications kind of move through a workflow and it's all in one place where we used to have to kind of go to different places to find things because folders have moved from one setting to another. Um, so I'd be if
anybody wanted to do that or wanted to do it another time, I would be happy to show people how to use open gov or any other uh conservation commission tools that we have access to. So other than that, um, do we have
anything else from anybody? Richard. Yeah, thank you, Madam Chair. I just was reviewing quickly the um agent determination at 167 Towns and Harbor Road and was reading the
application and we may need to change that from a determination to an RDA. their their application is for the removal of 19 trees, not three dead ones. So that we Harland may want to just
review that before going out and going through the determination process. So you're seeing 19 trees. Well, three dead ones and 16
uh where was it? Yeah. and 16 others. At least that's what it was in the um I just got to get back to it. That's what it was in the open gov application. How did I Let's see. Okay. And it may have changed maybe
because it just says three dead trees on the um agenda. Contains 15. Three are dead need to be removed. Um, I'm just gonna I'll share my screen really quick so that
everybody can see this. And then they had the the chart with like 50 trees on it. Yeah. So, lot currently contains 52 trees. There are three that are dead and need to be removed. after consulting professionals
removal of three trees, an additional 16 that are hollow, dying, dangerously close to housing, preventing healthy growth. Okay. Yeah, we should definitely update the agenda for that. Um Okay. Yeah, I will. So, you heard
that too. Uh yeah, I'll make a note. I already wrote a note on my copy. Okay. Okay. Um, thank you, Richard, for picking up on that. No problem. You don't need any open gov help. For sure.
Okay. So, when I can finally get in it, it doesn't like to work with a VPN running. Yeah, I I feel I feel like a lot of things don't like to work when you're out in the the middle of the ocean with your Starlink. I'm guessing you
Actually, I'm not in the middle of the ocean. I'm just in South Carolina. Okay. when you're in you're on the ocean though, right? Condolences. Oh, no. I'm on a dock tonight. Okay. In beautiful Buford, South Carolina
someday. Um Okay. So, I think that um Sophie, do you have anything that you want to say while we're here? um about open gov in
particular or no just in general about your I don't want to share anything. Yeah. Step on any toes or anything. Yeah. Well, it's nice to have you back Sophie. It's been a long time. Yeah. Um about that.
Um I I am glad that um I got the opportunity to to grow and learn. um an incredibly uh I won't get emotional.
Um I'm just I'm really grateful the for the opportunity that I had to work with all of you um and the town over the past almost year and a quarterish. Um and uh however this is going to be my
final uh meeting that I've attended. So um my last day in the office will be July 8th. Um but I hope to to stay in touch. Um I live in Lemonster, so really like eight
minutes away from Lunenburgg. So, I still want to be part of the community and every way that I can. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for I want to say it's actually about a year and three quarters because I think you came in when I did my first application right around that
time. So, yeah, thank you for you know being with us and you'll be missed. Um, so but yeah, so Sophie's last day is Tuesday and Herlin will be helping out um over
the summer while we figure out what next steps are. Oh, Mary, you I just wanted to thank uh thank Sophie for all her hard work, right, and dedication. And I know it's a thankless job uh at times, but I really do appreciate all the effort um that she put into uh trying to
get the office in ship shape. And um and don't be a stranger uh if you want and you want to know anything about uh you know, our conservation lands. Um definitely reach out, you know, cuz uh I'm happy to, you know, point you to places or you know, walk with you out places. You know, we can take the dogs
out, let them play. Um cuz we've got a lot of really interesting trail systems here in town. Yeah, I I really haven't been able to explore a lot of the town. Um unfortunately, I haven't really had the
time um to do that, but I've heard from friends and and family that some family live in Lunenburgg as well, and they they love it. Um, so yeah, we do have amazing trails here.
Lots of open space. Mike, you have your hand up. Yes. Uh, Sophie, I want to thank you for being a champion of of, you know, protecting as much habitat as possible when we go through all these applications.
and um I've really been able to um hear your voice um in all of your um uh thoughts uh when applicants come in and want to do things and you always side
with um you know nature which is great. So I just want to thank you for that and wish you luck in your future endeavors. Well, thank you. My passion is will
always be there since I was little, so that's not going anywhere for sure. Well, that's great. Good luck. And then Richard, I saw your hand up. Oh, yeah. I just wanted to congratulate
Sophie. It's been great uh working with her over the last year and three quarters and wish her luck in her future endeavors. Don't be a stranger. Thank you. Sophie, enjoyed working with you. Enjoyed our walks on to uh Howard
Street. Yeah, those were adventures. Yes, they were. I know. Thank you so much, Sophie. It's really It's been really a pleasure working with you. Um sad to see you go,
but wish you luck in wherever you go next. Richard has his hand up again. Actually, I had a question if as we're moving on. You had mentioned something about this a utility and walking around and figuring what to charge people. Oh, on storm water. What is that? So,
stormwater task force um is the the other task force that I'm on. I'm the ad I'm the delegate for the conservation commission. Um, and it is the the entire purpose of the stormwater task force is
to implement a storm water utility. And that would be to cover a lot of the extra costs that our budget doesn't cover for storm water uh maintenance, storm water uh just infrastructure in
town. Um, we have a lot of storm water. We have a lot of things happening in town that really could use servicing and our budget on doesn't meet that. And then also we have the MS4 permit to
apply with to comply with and there's the budget just doesn't handle that. So there's a lot of towns that have done this. Um Shrewsbury has it. I think Newbury Port, Amesberry, uh Franklin's about to do it. Uh Chelmsford, lot like
tons of Medway. Um, and basically it's just a quarterly fee that would go in either probably your property tax bill. And it's going to be anywhere from like $10 to $25 a quarter for a single family
home if it were to be implemented. And then as the properties get larger um, based on how much impermeable surface they have on the property, the cost would get more. So obviously like Walmart would have a higher cost than
you know your house like a much higher cost or arrive would have a higher cost. It's it's basically single family homes. We're trying to keep it easy. We're not trying to calculate the impervious surface on a home um just to keep it
easy and cheap for homeowners. But, you know, as we get more, we're still not calculating it on the higher classes, but um taking it a little bit, you know, taking it into account. Does that make sense?
So, so this is for structures that are currently maintained by the highway department and it's going to be maintained by an a storm water department. No. So the stormwater task force is is specifically just to get the
utility implemented. So that fee that would be on your possibly your property tax bill that like $10 a month or $15 per quarter. I mean um the then the infrastructure is maintained by the DPW and basically it's going to be storm
water infrastructure. So say uh Flatill Road is a good example. um you know, they had to go out and do some work there, like things like that that are going to help divert storm water or create areas for storm water to
recharge and not just speed everything going into the soil because that doesn't really work. Um we need better storm water infrastructure in Lunenburgg where it's a very very wet town with a lot of storm water, a lot of water just in general as I think everybody on this
commission knows. Mary. Oh, I I was um as you were explaining, I thought I knew what this was and then maybe it occurred to me that maybe I don't. Um so is it I is it planning and
implementation um is what the storm water utility would do or is it mostly planning with the DPW doing the implementation on public lands and does how does that and or does it
cross over into uh you know private land and new projects and whatnot? So um I think so the the task force itself is specifically for implementing the utility. Um then if the utility is implemented the task force would be
converted into a commission. I think just similar to like a budget task force or any other committee that may have started out as a task force. I'm not aware of any to be honest. But it would I I you know there are kind of like the
the partnerships that Bill at the DPW does with people like at Courtland Circle that's technically a private property but there was kind of a partnership with them on fixing some of their storm water infrastructure. Uh it turned out that there was actually a
pipe that was leaking but that was on part of that was on their property. So working with maybe homeowners who are have a lot of water discharging off their property or coming onto their property that may the the infrastructure that we're building may help with that.
Maybe not on their property, but it would be the hope is with any storm water infrastructure and hopefully green storm water infrastructure that you are diverting water into places that aren't people's property and are places where
the water can go to recharge. and you know go back into the groundwater. So it's kind of just figuring out places that Lunenburgg's water can go like I think we we know now that you know the soar isn't necessarily the best place
for your water to be moving through. I think every all the water that we have all the rain that we get can't just always be going through the soore. We need to get this the best place for water to be going is places where it can recharge and start you know becoming part of our water source again.
Thank you. That makes sense. Yes. Okay. So, you're developing a utility to collect funds from the town's people and town's businesses and then deciding what to
spend it on. I guess I'm just not quite following that. So, Bill has a budget that he presented at town meeting um on the things that he would like to spend it on this year. Some of it is um equipment that helps with building storm water infrastructure. Um I can't
remember exactly what's on it, but there is a budget that it's actually a million dollars that bill has. Some of that is covered through the what is the um the grant that we get from the state. I
forget what the fund is called but there's like Yes. And um and then some of it will be covered by not all of it by any means would be covered by you know help would be help be covered by some of this utility.
So, how much is the storm water utility looking to generate an additional revenue? So, somewhere between like 300,000 and 600,000 per year from the town's people. Yes. Wow. They'll be presenting again at the
next town meeting. That seems a little more than $25 a household per quarter. Well, so it's not just households though that we have um you know some businesses that have impermeable services their their fees will be higher. Um you have
the Walmart or the arrive or um we're still trying to figure out how the solar farms kind of get into this. Um although you know they solar farms are a weird situation. Um, so there's a lot that we're kind of working through and we're
looking at other there are a lot of other towns in Massachusetts that have this and other states too. So we're kind of trying to look at the way other towns have done it and see what works and see what doesn't, but yeah.
Okay, thank you very much. I'll have to look more into that. So yeah, we we meet on the third Thursday, but there are our meetings are available um you know on the Lindenburgg access on YouTube if you ever want to watch a
previous meeting. They're exciting. Like watching grass grow. Yeah. Does anyone else have any questions about the storm water task force? Storm water is kind of my jam. So, green storm water infrastructure, I should
say, not pipes, but no more questions on that. Okay. So, um Teddy and Andrea, did you guys make it through the meeting?
Yep. Still here. So happy that you guys are here. Really, I am thrilled to have both of you. Um, as far as Open Gov goes or anything related to getting yourselves into uh any commission assets or resources,
reach out to me. I can always hop on like a screen share with you and show you how to do things. Um, and then I sent you both the document that Mary created and Mary sent it to you too, Teddy. Um, and uh if you have any
questions on that or if anything isn't working, let me know. I'm gonna make sure you should have um received something from MAC, the Massachusetts Association of Conservation Commissioners. Usually they send you something pretty quickly, but if you
haven't, let me know because that gives you access to some of their free training. Um, you get Yeah, I was actually just looking at that. Um, I have not received that and I think it just might be a typo with my email perhaps. Okay. Well, they should
hopefully send it. They did send it to my Gmail. So, okay. I'm going to I'll try to get them to send it to your town email if you haven't received anything. Um, also, yeah, we did have the wrong email address. So, and then
what else is there that I would want to share with you while we have you here? That's it. If you have any questions, just let me know. I know my first meeting was very very daunting. Uh I was kind of thinking as we were going through that I should have, you know, said what like a certificate of
compliances or but if you have any questions, reach out to me or any other commissioner and let us know. You both gotten your email today, so we're we're getting there. Yeah, I'll reach I'll definitely reach out with a couple questions. Awesome. Please do. Um All
right. Do we have any other questions or comments from members of the commission? Uh, our N. All right. Our next meeting will be July 16th on Zoom. That's 2025.
And then um I could be looking for a motion to adjurnn. So moved. Second, Rich. All right. I have the motion from Mike and the second from Rich. All right. Roll call vote.
Richard Burch I. Mike Larouche. Hi. Chris St. Germaine. I. Mary Wilson. Hi. Eddie Ducet. Hi. Andrea Bernap. I. And I for myself. Um, meeting
adjourned at exactly 9:00 PM on July 2nd, 2025. Look at us being fast ish. Um, okay. Well, Sophie, thank you so much for coming to this meeting before you leave us. It was nice to have
you on. We've missed having a administrator on the meetings for sure. Well,