uh everyone welcome to the lunenberg Conservation Commission meeting of February 19th 2025 uh in accordance with the requirements of the open meetings law please be advised that this meeting is being audio and video recorded the agenda lists all of the topics that
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ID is 875 2621 34314 again the last four digits are 4314 so we will start out with a roll call uh Jenny
present and Rich let me know he was going to be able to be here tonight Jeff present Mike present Chris present and let me welcome Peter Stella
Peter uh present thank you okay do we have any announcements by members of the commission do we have any uh do we have any uh comments from members of the public and
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and wave at me uh or you know if none of those work uh as a last resort just just let me know that you're waiting to be called upon and I will I will get to you and I'm not seeing any hands
raised uh so we will move along do we don't have any meeting minutes um to be published do we Sophie or to be approved no okay all right we will move we will move into new public
hearings pursuant to Mass General Law chapter 131 section 40 is amended and the town of lunenberg wetlands protection and Municipal bylaws a public hearing on a notice of intent by the lunberg Conservation Commission for the construction of parking area to provide Trail Head Park
and a proposed gravel driveway which involves the crossing of a bordering vegetated Wetland and the construction of a wetland replication area located at the table Rock Conservation Area at 994 Northfield Road um and do we have yeah Greg you're
here um I am hello our consultant tonight so thank you for that uh why don't I allow you to share and you can uh take the rest of uh the Commissioners through the project okay thank you bear
with me one second okay um how's that everybody can see the screen I can okay great so um thank you for the introduction my name is Greg Roy with Dillon Roy
and um I am representing the lunenberg Conservation Commission this evening so I appreciate the opportunity to be here um the just just for those in the on the call that may not have the history
um and Mary and others can can chime in here but ludenberg the Conservation Commission applied for Grants um probably about 18 months ago now or so um to do some improvements uh design work
for improving some parking area creating some parking area at several of the conservation land uh several of the conservation lands um this is one of them that they uh that the commission received um and so we're here tonight to
sort of kick off the we've been working over the past several months to do the um the surveying and in field work and then design design work uh to put this together uh and we're here at tonight as the initial kickoff for the um for this
particular project at Table Rock um this for those of you that um this is right immediately next to the um to Settler's Crossing Golf Course um this um this stone wall property line right
here is the boundary line between the golf course that's over here and the Table Rock Conservation Area um it's also it's right between the golf course and Stage Coach Road which is um just to the east um over in this area oops excuse me over in this area here off the
off the screen if you will um so the task that we were given was to was to come up with a um a plan to provide uh permanent access and um parking um through the frontage um of the Table
Rock Conservation Area um this particular site um is is a bit difficult because we have a wetland system that um cuts off the the um that
is exists between the street and uh in the Upland portion of the property so if I can zoom in here it's a little bit difficult to see but um the Wetland area essentially goes like this and then also has a line basically
parallel on the road if you will like that so there's really um all Wetlands as you as you come from the road into the site um so our task was to try to uh come up with a plan here that minimize disturbance to the wetlands um and did
it in a way that was compliant with the uh Massachusetts Wetlands protection act standards for uh for these types of projects that that um require Wetland filling and I'll go into a little bit more of this in detail but I just wanted to give you High Lev overview um of of what we're what we're doing here um so
I'll go into the replication area in a minute um the other thing about this project um two other things that I wanted to mention out of the gate is that um it is not afforded an exemption from storm water management because it is not a quote residential project of
four or fewer Lots uh so we have designed a fully compliant Massachusetts storm water management uh system here that uh is compliant with the um 10 standards of the Massachusetts
storm water management um policy uh related to the discharge of of runoff from the proposed parking area um that is a component of the the application that's before you this evening but it is also a component of the application that
is before the lunenberg planning board and so I just wanted to mention while it's not in your purview I wanted to just mention to the to to your commission how this inter interfaces um we will be before the lunberg planning board for site plan approval next Monday night um I the meeting starts at 6 I'm
not sure exactly when the posted time is uh for this particular hearing um so uh anytime you create a parking area of um really the the threshold is very low um it requires site plan approval from the planning board so um we are also before
the planning board uh for their review so they will have a a separate and sort of um parallel uh review of the project as well so just so everybody understands that uh so I'll just go into the specifics as I mentioned the the uh the resource
area um exists in the in the front portion of the site you know along the frontage whenever we have a Crossing situation we always look to minimize impact to the resource area so we we chose an area um to cross that is um
a narrow portion of the Wetland so as to minimize the length of Crossing that we need to do of the Wetland of the Wetland area um a couple things to note you'll note that we didn't put it in the actual narrowest portion of the site and there's some really good reasons for
that U that that I'll go that I'll go into now um all of these green um uh tightly dense um hatched circles are existing trees I had the survey survey crew just locate all the trees
within the 50 Foot within 50 within and up to uh 50 feet uh in the 50 Foot no build uh no structure zone so all the trees here are shown are actual existing trees um and you can see in this portion here of the site uh there's a lot of
existing trees um and so we kind of agonized over this a little bit um ordinarily we would try to get a driveway Crossing in the actual narrowest portion of the lot um but it wasn't a significant change to relocate it over here there's
a there's slightly more um replication area or filling that we need to do of of I think less than 100 square feet or or a couple hundred square feet but it allows us to save a lot of the trees and there's some larger trees in there um the other thing that I
wanted to point out is that these circles here this one here this one here this here here here this one this one these are really large
Boulders um like really large like car siiz Boulders um if not larger uh bus siiz Boulders small bus siiz Boulders um so you can see here that we um we've designed this driveway to um avoid
having to do extensive Rock work um here some of these Boulders you'd probably have to I mean hammering them might be hard moving them would be impossible unless you had a really really big machine which you probably wouldn't have for a job like this so just from those
two standpoints um we we look to put the Crossing in the location that's shown in the red hatched area um and when we did the the math um we're of course proposing retaining walls on the side so we're we're keeping this to the minimum
width possible uh to get driveway of I think 12 feet um uh with going in there we get a a permanent Wetland fill of 1126 Square fet which is well below the threshold of the 5,000 square fet that
is allowed without having to go through the Army Core permitting process uh or limited project permitting process so we're still well within the realm of uh permiability uh by the in the performance standards set forth in the Wetland protection act for this type of work work within aborted vegetated
Wetland [Music] um which is why we have um gone through and proposed it as as we have uh for those factors um we are as I mentioned proposing uh a 12 foot wide gravel
surface um and on either side flanking both sides from the essentially from the road pavement setback just starting right here and coming up to this point here we're proposing retaining walls along the edge uh again to keep every time anytime we do a wetland Crossing we
do that so that we keep the um the Wetland filled to the absolute minimum uh that's one of the performance standards we have to show and document that we're uh minimizing you know minimizing and and avoiding if if possible so um but when you can avoid
you have to you have to minimize so that's what we're doing uh by by showing those retaining walls uh and then uh just to maintain hydraulic conductivity we're showing two uh um uh drainage culverts as well so we
can maintain that hydraulic connectivity across the Wetland area there's really not a lot of flow through there it's not like it's um a large tributary area um on the upgrad in side but it's uh but nonetheless we want to make sure we're maintaining that anytime we cross a wetland we'll uh we'll put a um you know
some sort of Culvert or um uh hydraulic connection uh through there to maintain that it is not a stream um I'm not sure if any of you had a chance to go out there to the site it's it's certainly pretty snow packed at this point uh but
it it's even in the wetter months there's no threadline of a stream you can actually walk through it pretty pretty easily um when when I was there um even through the fall when it started to get a little bit wetter um there was no issues with uh with with any stream
or thread lines that we'd have to be uh concerned about there and then um I'll try to go quick here um we access into the parking area uh again through the crossing uh we come into a 10 uh a 10 space a gravel pad
essentially that is large enough for 10 to accommodate 10 vehicles um that is placed all 100% outside of the 50 Foot no structure Zone um we try to keep everything um you know
all sort of the hard infrastructure if you will with the gravel areas outside of that foot Zone the only thing that falls within only two portions of the the project that fall within the 50 Foot um is the uh storm water management
Basin so we have this area here um is a storm water basin that collects the runoff we're going to we're going to run that down to a Swale system here that runs into this uh this Basin before it and gets you know um treated if you will
uh captured collected and treated stored and then uh discharged slowly there's some exfiltration that occurs infiltration back into the ground if you will uh to meet the recharge standard uh before it gets discharged back uh back into the Wetland area
um that's the first feature that's within the slightly within the 50 um and then of course we have to replicate the Wetland uh so one of the performance standards of the Wetland protection act and your bylaw is that we have to we have to propose Wetland replication we
have to build a constructed Wetland area anytime we uh propose filling of a uh of a a wetland area so we are proposing that right in this location and of course that has to be adjacent to the Wetland it has to be connected
hydraulically to the existing Wetland area so that we can get the hydrology uh so that has to be within the 30 foot um within your 30 foot no touch Zone just sort of by definition um so there's a few we we tried to pick
an area that had the least amount of existing trees there are a few but we're proposing to save them we're not proposing to take out the over story we're just going to put them on hummocks if you will and we're going to we're going to you know do the grading around the um the existing trees with with proposed uh plant things and
vegetation um over seaing uh in and and we have specifications on the second sheet that um document compliance with um the Massachusetts replication standards I know I'm throwing a lot at you uh but uh there's a whole document guidance document for um how Wetland
replication areas are designed and constructed and monitored and we have all of the notes Associated and specifications associated with that on the second page um we're replicating at a one and a half to one ratio so we're constructing one and a half times the
amount a little bit more actually uh one and a half times the amount that we're that we're proposing to fill um and the rationale there is that um um the performance standard of the Wetland protection act is one to one you have to document after two growing Seasons that
you have you have at least one to one um uh that you've successfully created an area that has vegetation established in the amount that you filled at least 100% of the amount that you filled we always do more um because sometimes you have trouble on the fringes and things so
that if you have a few uh a few areas that have trouble taking or at least don't meet that in the first two years that you you will meet the performance standard of the of the one one: one uh standard so um I have said a lot um I I guess I'll
just leave it with um we do not have a file number from DP on this um so we are waiting comments uh a file number and and probably some comments uh whatever that we have a wetland fil type situation we will typically get some comments uh from them uh on that but um
I thought you know it would be a good opportunity to at least introduce it to you and um get any initial questions that you might have how many uh how many parking places do you have there Greg we have 10 excellent yeah we definitely need uh we
definitely need those 10 and then the retaining wall I noticed as drawn there's like no flare at either end is that is that actually how it's going to be installed with no flare at either end or yeah we don't see a lot of these okay
yeah we don't think we need it in this case just because of the way the grades work out sometimes you have it more like a bridge abutment on the side where it flares flares at a 45 out in this case um we just extended it far enough to kind of just bury into where it matches the existing grade if you will so okay
feel like we needed the the flare there so just sort of simplifying the construction okay very good yeah that would be a dramatic improvement over the existing parking condition which is um you know as you know really nonideal it's uh you
know it's it's kind of across the street from where this current um proposed access would be and it's sort of kind of room for two cars on almost a gravel Pad but really overgrown and then uh because
we don't have any existing access across that Wetland anybody who wants to go to Table Rock has to actually hike up this road and you can see how close the trees are to the edge of the road um to to go access Table Rock through that Old Stage
Coach um right uh Road at yeah it's it's really not it's kind of an awkward yeah it's kind of an awkward situation yeah it really is it's beautiful property once you get back up in there and there are a ton of trails I take my dogs up
there a lot uh I go mountain biking up there a lot it's a it's a beautiful parcel that we have but the access is really non ideal so I'm I'm really tickled to see uh this plan um and yeah uh it it you know and and for
those of you that may not know I'm the one who wrote the Grant on behalf of the Conservation Commission um to uh support uh doing this work um so I'm I'm tickled to see it actually starting to take some shape and form uh the goal would be uh
once we get through the approval and permitting process to uh submit uh follow on grants to actually do the work to have um these installed um anyway I I'm pretty
familiar with the with the project uh so I will now uh give my fellow uh Commissioners an opportunity to ask questions Jeff yeah Greg just a question um would it make more sense to put that that I
guess reclaimed area somewhere where it's outside the 30 from where you're going to be doing construction because I mean I'm assuming this is going to be plowed so a lot of that debris and stuff from the gravel going across that will
actually be thrown into that replicated Wetland area so do you know what I mean it it just doesn't seem to make sense to put it that close to the area that's going to be disturbed wouldn't you want that at least 30 feet from that well we could look to You're So you're saying kind of
creating more of a gap between the driveway and the edge of the replication area yeah because I mean I think that's going to somehow you know it's probably 20 feet into that may get destroyed with you know plowing over the years and runoff and whatnot but I mean it's just
my thought that you why are we putting a wetland replication area that's essentially budding the so no it's a a good concern uh truthfully I didn't think about the plowing concern T typically we try to
keep it as close to the area that we're disturbing as possible just to minimize the overall disturbance so you know um we're going to have to get in there with machines and you know uh do some you know minor but but we'll have to do some grading we have to mend the soil we have
to do the plan thing so you got to get in there and so if we were to put it you know more remote you just you just didn't put more uh disturbance in that 30 foot uh no in that first 30 foot no touch Zone we have to put it in the 30- foot no touch because it has to be
connected to the Wetland area that but yeah I I was thinking that you know like right now you kind of have it in the Northwest Quadrant um I think Jeff was kind of maybe proposing maybe it would be in the uh Northeast quadrant
I don't know if that's possible given the boulders and trees section like like over here well no I think the other side uh so on the other side of your erosion barrier yeah and of course would change the erosion barrier but kind of like there with that possible yeah it is it's
just that you know you're just going to have to go farther to get there but that's not that's it's certainly I'm working for you yeah yeah yeah yeah you're you're you're the approval Authority but you're also my client so yeah uh how far is that from uh from the Stage
Coach Road area um do you know off I'd have to get back to that I'm not exactly sure yeah how far that is I haven't been out there since it was no snow on the ground so I don't know from memory either right but I mean from a
construction purpose you know if it was shorter to come in from Stage Coach Road that also might be an opportunity could be yeah could be yeah we'll look at it I think that's yeah I think that's a good uh a good suggestion Jeff because you're right the um gravel
and the plowing would uh would actually dropping debris in there yeah that's a good that's a good comment you're right yeah so thank you for that Jeff any other questions or comments from members of the commission oh how about Northeast of uh
down on Northfield Road couldn't you use that area that is like close to the road right where your cursor is like that little triangle yeah it's actually it's actually wet there uh Peter we just didn't extend the wet the wet Flags but this these wet Flags keep going like that so that that's actually part of the
wet land it's just not marked this little but all right yeah we we stopped our the last Wetland flag that we hung was right here because we knew we were going to be Crossing in this portion so we didn't we didn't Define that that edge but it does that is actually wetland already then yeah it is yeah
unfortunately yeah as I recall that area kind of goes almost up to that stone wall that is the separation between the property and the um Old Stage Coach Road yeah it it and again we we didn't the Wetland widened out over there so we didn't really focus on detailing it too
uh too much because we knew we weren't G to that wasn't going to be the ideal spot to cross sure thank you for those comments um Peter uh Jeff you have your hand raised again yeah I mean is there a situation
where you could get a variance to not have to have storm water like a retention Bas or no so that that's a must okay it just seems like that spot would be kind of perfect to put it like right in that if we were to push that
Barking Lot a little further east but yeah yeah you know we'd love to but um you're going to have to you're going to have to do it unfortunately um it's it's just they're they're very DP has become very strict on it actually um we we've had them ding
us on projects that were less impactful than this one that just didn't happen to be a resident like for example a repair septic system for a commercial project that's being constructed in in a um in a lawn area they've asked us for storm waterer Management
on because it's not a residential project for few W they just don't there's only there's there's only one exemption and it's uh it's essentially um it's it's either well there's a couple it's either a residential project of of four or fewer
Lots or like an emergency road repair project or something like that which we're certainly not in that category so um I'd love to do that but um the won't have it and it's just the regulations aren't written that way unfortunately
any other questions or comments from members of the commission and if not do we have uh questions or comments from members of the public I see uh Caitlyn uh would you uh state your name and address hi my name is Caitlyn Wier I'm the property owner
of 939 Northfield Road oh very good so I'm just curious in relation to where the current small gravel area is that's directly to the left of my driveway where is that in relation to this map great question so you're talking
about the the current area on the south side of um the current parking area on the south side of Northfield Road correct where there's the small sign out that's visible from the road yeah essentially right across the street I think a I can show that next time I
come in I apologize I should probably have had that on there but uh essentially right across the street probably a little bit closer to the golf course than where the actual sign is um if my memory serves me correctly but it's it's pretty close to right across the street okay and then my last
question is where the existing area is now where there's a two spot gravel across the street where you have to walk across are you g to keep that existing area or is that going to be going away but that actually is uh owned by and managed by the um barks commission I
so and I'm so it's not under lunberg Conservation Commission uh care and control I'm not aware that they have any plan uh to change that at all okay just curious I didn't know if there was going to be like a crosswalk across the street from that area to this area that's I
guess what I was wondering yeah no there's there's not um as far as I'm aware uh you know there is eventually uh the Parks Commission intends to put in uh some uh Park improvements there uh
but I I don't have a sense that they are going to be working on that before they complete their Marshall Park um plans okay thank you sure um so Greg I
think it would be helpful to uh show uh Caitlyn's uh uh driveway uh on this um just for for reference um because that any any body else who's in the butter or you know from that area
that'll that'll give them also a little better reference as well as where this is being proposed go yeah I can do that no problem great uh and I'm not seeing any other hands raised uh by members of the
public uh so very good um yeah so I think uh I think we wait and see what d comes back with and then uh Greg you'll look at uh at at the impact of uh changing um
where that proposed replication area goes and then uh get uh uh is it Caitlyn or catlyn I'm sorry I it's fine Caitlyn's fine Caitlyn okay yeah you'll get her address or her driveway on there reference point I
appreciate that any any comments that we might get from planning as well we um again we're we're um we're before that board next next week um Monday um which is also public hearing uh which you're
welcome to attend so uh anybody uh so we'll incorporate any comments that we might get from that board as part of that process as well excellent thank you Greg you bet um also just you the the um the raino property which is just down
the street from this um on the opposite side of the street that is just for public interest um that did not we we're also working on that a parking area very similar on that property um kind of where they're putting the tree uh the access for the tree uh logging yeah um
that actually didn't require filing with the commission because we were able to keep the area outside of the 100 foot buffer zone so positive there um but we do still need site plan approval so that is on the meeting next Monday as well so if anybody has an interest in that um you can get you can come to the planning
board meeting and get a two for one um experience I'm gonna try to attend that if I can um because I will be interested in hearing their uh their feedback um and any other types of requirements you know or hurdles that uh we might need to
plan against I think planning is definitely uh has an inperson presence it may be hybrid I can't remember I always go in person but okay just for your benefit where do they hold those at uh the town hall usually at the Town
Hall easy enough yeah okay so um we're proposing a uh a continuation to March 5th since we're the client we can actually make that proposal I so I'll do uh a roll call
vote for the commission to uh continue this hearing to March 5th uh Jenny hi Jeff hi Mike hi Chris hi Pete I very good and I for myself so we'll uh
we'll see you again on March 5th Greg thank you okay I'm here for the next one too um is it appropriate just to keep my my screen share going is that okay or you want me to you can go ahead and yeah you can uh keep it uh going and shift to the next one while I read the script uh
pursuant to master General Law chapter 131 section 40 is amended in the town of lunberg wetlands protection Municipal bylaws a public hearing on a notice of intent by James and Allison latanzi for the construction of a wetland replication area to provide mitigation
or an existing Farm Road Riverfront Crossing and replacement of an existing covert within a Farm Road at 780 Northfield Road okay and uh Greg you're and I I actually saw Jem on as well I thought
yeah yeah he was here although I see oh there he is he's here I'm here thank you very good uh so thanks uh Jim if you want to interject at all just let me know we're I'm going to start talking and uh you know but feel free to interrupt um again
uh Greg Roy with Dillon Roy I'm representing the applicant uh uh Jim and Allison latanzi Jim is here with us this evening um this is the property there's a little bit of History here so I want to do my best to get give you a brief overview of this um but just just for
reference um this is right down the street from where we just were talking on the same side of the street um right across from the pond I don't know the name of the pond but right right at the low point in uh at Northfield Road Kelly Pond Kelly Pond right right across the
street and it's an access into the backside of what is what was formerly known as Pierce's Tree Farm now Hollis Hills uh tree farm that uh Jim and and son um purchased several years back and now own and operate um and several years
ago um probably three or four now um it was during covid but it was it was maybe three years ago Jim um worked with the um with the current conservation agent at the
time um and and the commission to um essentially improve an access through this this area uh from Northfield Road into the uh into the backside of the farm uh area and that was all um that was all
approved and blessed at the time uh by the commission uh he was given authorization to do that work uh and he did it and uh I think he fast forward um a year or two after it was already built
and constructed um you folks probably know where it is um if you drove up if you drive up Northfield Road it's it's pretty obvious um there was a concern raised uh with DP and DP got involved
um and um and Jim correct me if I'm getting any of these details wrong but D effectively said that Jim had a few options one of which was to come before you and file this notice of intent for the Improvement of the
um uh the Culvert that is that is physically uh needed um across the uh the road I'm going to describe this a little B more detail um so we were in a little bit of a situation because I I think there was a
little bit more of the story I think actually Jim came to a commission before D or maybe as DP was getting involved I think your commission still gave him the green light that that it was okay sort of before um before the before DP got involved but then I think there was another iteration after you gave him
sort of that second blessing that's that's consistent with my recollection as well I wasn't on the commission for the first um iteration but that follow on where violation was reported it came before us again we gave permission again and then you know the
concern sort of said that in your opinion it wasn't a violation because he went through the proper process when he was constructing it but but then DP got involved and so here we are today uh trying to kind of take a belt and suspender approach to this uh and and and uh permit it through the
noce of inent process so that's why we're here um the work I just want to be very clear that the projects installed the applicant gym um went through the process to do that uh with your commission um got the the the
authorization um and you know thought we had everything behind us but but be Lee here we are we're we're we're here to sort of um put a belt and suspenders approach on this thing and and uh uh we filed the notice of intent with your commission so um I want to start with
the overview here here is the existing we did a survey of the essentially an existing condition survey if you will um this is Northfield Road uh down here at the bottom of your screen um this is the existing access
road that was improved excuse me um a number of years back and it comes in here and goes cross uh this is the area that we have the uh the Wetland areas and so highlighted in red is where we're proposing to do the
um you know to do the Improvement to the covert uh and then we're also proposing a replication area uh right in this right in this area very similar to what we just showed you on the last on the last filing um so now we we have a zoomed in view so we we just sort of zoom in to
this area um we are showing right in this area um a new 30in uh corrugated plastic pipe that will be buried so you have a natural bottom so we oversized that pipe
um and pushing that down into the into the substrate there so we have a natural um uh Channel if you will going through the the bottom of the pipe um and then we're proposing a 2,000t wetland replication area in this
portion of the site just to mitigate again we believe this was an existing Crossing but just to mitigate any concerns that might be existing with the uh and it was pointed out that this is what we should do by DP um mitigate any
concerns with any past filling that might have occurred uh we're going to replicate that in this portion of the site right in here uh which again is directly adjacent to the um to the Wetland area it's in a it's in a spot where we think we'll do well from a
grading standpoint um but we have uh a complete set of um uh you know specifications and notes on on how that's how how that's going to be uh uh planted and seated in this case in this case we got some direct guidance from uh
d uh on on how they were looking to have this done so we uh we more or less um went with their recommendations for seating uh in and restoring that area so um again we do not have a DP file number for this one either uh so we understand
that you won't be able to um to shut things down tonight but we wanted to come before you just to introduce things um and answer any questions that you might have Jim if you want to add anything feel free yeah no I mean you nailed it
Greg uh just pointing out that the original the existing 24 inch um pipe that is there that was originally an 18inch pipe that we had then upsized um my last go around with conservation whatever a couple years ago I provided all the pictures and documentation
because we were I took the approach on this that we were doing maintenance and D agreed you know we're allowed to fix a cver pipe um we had upsized it at that point but it wasn't quite to their standard and that's why they suggested to upssize one more time to a 30inch
pipe because given some heavy rains that we' had during the flooding there a couple years ago that there was the wash out in the pipe was not at that point in the substrate and I agree it makes perfect sense I have no contest to any of these issues I'm happy to just get
this done and over with as soon as the you know we're approved and uh you know spring conditions uh allow I'm happy to go ahead and do the work um again very very simple in my opinion um but you know we're crossing tees and dotting eyes and that's that's why Greg's
helping us through this so appreciate it well and Jim as I recall uh you've done everything that we've asked you to do every step along the way and you've been very forthcoming you know and answering all of our questions and being clear about what your intentions were and then executing uh exactly to what
you had stated so I appreciate that as well thank you I don't um I don't have I guess the only question that I have is uh is the I I noticed that it's been uh
identified as Riverfront area so is there actually through this uh through this Wetland uh rivering characteristics there must be if D identified it as uh well I think that the river is actually sorry
Jim no no you're correct the river is not the crossing the river runs parallel to my Access Road and we're outside of that 100 foot buffer zone but the wetlands that we're going to replicate is within that 100 foot buffer zone my
road is not but that's where it's attached to that and that's the riverfront area the 200 foot Riverfront area extends out out to here okay and why was it the DP wanted you to do replication um that's not jumping out to
me is why they wanted you to because if you look at kind of historical here um you got a wetland system that is flag we flag the wetlands but it goes like this MH and then that's the existing limit of the Wetland and on the
other side you have this like that so there was a question as to when the road was put in I think um and I think that you know you can easily say that you know there was a you know historically speaking there was
probably a wetland connection through the through the where the road was okay all right understood just sort of not arguing it um we're we're we're we we we def find what that area is it's it's a total of approximately as conservative
as we could be because we don't want any issues um it was 1900 square feet which again is below that 5,000 foot threshold well below the 5,000 foot threshold in this case DS us to replicate one: one so we're proposing a 2,000 squ foot area um
that is Slightly North of the 1:1 replication um but uh it again it it's sort of just the B suspenders um Jim you know Jim believes when he did the work that it was a maintenance of of an existing road that you know might have been in disrepair but it had been it was
there that's what I had understood as well yeah it's just that you know we're we're sort of responding or reacting to requests from D here so we wanted to be you know we're not pushing back appreciate that yeah I I appreciate that I just was asking because I also was
curious um no good question uh I don't have any further questions uh do we have any questions from members of the commission questions Andor comments I'm not seeing any hands raised so uh we have any questions or comments from members of the
public and I not seeing any hands raised either there I would not be looking for uh anything else uh in the plan as presented uh so I'm not asking you to take away and go add anything uh remove
anything from this uh from this plan I would encourage uh my fellow Commissioners if they have anything that they want you to do or what not to speak now so that uh hopefully when you come back and you have your D number we can
uh you know deliberate and uh send you on your way yep and we're hopeful that this is an odd case where D was involved in the you know we it was an odd case yes so we're hoping that um that we that DP comments will be minimal or none because
we um we kind of just took their bullet point in their email and put it in the put it in the plan so uh I hope so I think we have a different uh uh resource assigned to our area now but I mean hopefully the history will be
good enough and stand for itself yeah okay okay so uh I think uh we've got to continue this to March 5th at the very least uh because we're waiting on that D number uh so I'll do go for a roll call vote uh
Jenny Jeff hi Mike hi Chris hi Pete I and I for myself okay we see you again March 5th thank you very much thank you everybody appreciate
it very good moving along to continued public hearings Pursuit it to Mass General Law chapter 131 section 40 is amended of the town of lunberg wetlands protection and Municipal bylaws a public hearing on a notice of intent by Sally tanoli uh luck
and Richard tanoli represented by Matt Morrow for the replacement of one retaining wall replacement of a section of walkway pavers and the removal of three trees with replacement vegetation on the shore of Lake Shirley located at 352 Sunset
Lane and do we have uh the applicants Andor the representative here with us tonight uh good evening Madam chair Matt Maro representing the applicants present this evening I don't see my clients listed on
the zoom um unless there was I seen them but uh I don't see them now so maybe I just uh misread the names very good Matt am I a I'm sorry goad am I able to share my screen yes
uh Jeff you have your hand up man your hand went down yes I am in a butter so I'll recuse myself but we do have quum tonight so we should be good yeah thank you Jeff yeah I good evening ladies and gentlemen um Matt Maro representing Sally tanoli luck and Richard tanoli um
for this continued notice of intent um I was here at the last meeting unfortunately we didn't have enough members um to be able to close out the hearing in vot we did have some productive discussion um the commission had requested a series of changes to the
plans that were made with the erosion barriers the note in the um believe it's note number two erosion control barriers that commissioner Burch had requested um D had asked us to quantify uh a similar area that um
Sophie also had called out so I revised the WPA form for the um temporary impacts for construction essentially what's going to happen in this area as I noted at the last meeting is these paer areas are simply going to be pulled out by hand the work is going to proceed
it's going to conclude and then the pavers are just going to be placed back in the same area again by hand um there's you know no digging no filling no regrading none of that I D had noted um a flood plane elevation but there is
a flood plane elevation listed here I'll zoom in a little bit over here um flood plane elevation was noted by the survey crew and it actually is here um all of the work is taking place
in the flood plane they're all temporary impacts there is no um changing grades or anything of that nature um this area here the maple by the driveway the 40-in maple that's been labeled on the plan um we agreed to
prune that take that off the table is a removal um this area this tree and this dead one or almost dead one by the uh water body is slated to be removed and as we're removing two trees now instead
of three um we took two of the six off um for the replanting that we did this area right here where the rivard's property is there actually already is an area of thick hedge growth that's very old from I mean I've I've got street
view pictures I can show you if you want to see them from 2014 that still show the same Hedges there um we are still looking to do the large um ariy that you know the emerald green that grows up tall kind of like a tree um without
threatening to kill the property um and we've got three Replacements here two of them will be here in the 30 foot no touch Zone um to allow for um some shade value to uh take place
here um where there currently is there's currently nothing there now um that's basically it I answered the I know you guys hopefully you've had a chance to review it on the portal I did do a response to the EP comments um some of them actually were
standards that really don't apply to a minor project of this nature because there is no filling going on um this is a like for like wall replacement the only thing that's going to going to be different is the material is going to be um Fieldstone instead of cult railroad
TI that's basically it I'm open up to any further questions you guys have thank you Matt do we have any further questions from members of the commission or comments this addressed all of the uh concerns that I had had uh from the
first first hearing do we have any questions or uh comments from members of the public uh Jeff um Matt do you know how this is going to take place if they're going to keep the they're gonna use a little mini excavator I would assume are they going
to keep it up on the property side or they going to bring it down onto the lake itself um he he wouldn't um if you recall the pictures I showed there were areas here where the lands collapsed so he'll have to even that out
pull that back after he you know after these things are hand pulled he'll pull this back and then put some back gravel in it to um allow for drainage but he's not putting anything down here um it's Brett Ramson that's going to be doing the work and everything he normally does
as you guys have seen he does by hand so okay so no equipment on the beach I guess that was my question okay oh when uh I guess one question I do have uh and I I know you it was asked the first meeting but I've forgotten
when um when would you start this plan as soon as possible so during this draw down season if the approvals come in soon enough that's correct okay okay so I think we would be looking
for this to happen uh only during the draw down period I did discuss that with my client he did say that if he couldn't get it done this draw down period he'd have to wait for the next so he does know that okay very good I just want to make
certain I say it out loud so that it's captured in the uh in the conditions no understood and when I say he I'm referring to Rick tanoli he's been taking the lead for him and Sally on this okay very
good so I think I'm looking for a motion to approve uh with h standard order conditions and and to ensure that the work is only done during the draw down period so moved thank you Jenny do I have a
second second thanks Chris okay uh roll call vote um Mike oh mik got bumped out I didn't
notice I just readmitted him oh thanks well well let's wait and let's see uh Mike you're back with us again and I don't see even see his microphone I take a second Mike let us know when you can
hear us again I wonder if that means he's having a storm down in his lovely uh winter uh Sanctuary Carolina right now we had an ice storm know the past few years my mom uh
was alive and down there she had worse weather than I did a little bit jealous uh we lost Mike again uh let's see two three four we still have four these
back Mike let us know when you can hear us well that's something I I keep seeing his camera come up is not on I mean I don't see his microphone coming up Mike can you hear
us yeah you're there yes yeah you are you're having some challenges no um did you I I didn't see when you dropped off maybe I'll I'll can I turn off my video yeah do we don't
need to see actually yeah I'm turn off it is off yeah sometimes that does help uh but apparently not today can we he's back the audio is horrible it's still
breaking up a lot do you want to send me a um text with any questions that you have in the chat okay um I will and Mike while you're uh while you're working on that um we did have a motion
to approve with a standard order of conditions and also a limitation um that the work would only be done during the draw down period uh but I uh when I went to get a vote I saw that you had dropped so we wanted to make certain you had an opportunity to ask questions
oh no the mic dropped again he's just came in on his phone oh did he yeah okay Mike can you hear us now have to unmute his phone yeah I think you're muted
Mike if that's you yeah Mike you're uh you're on mute oh now he's back again maybe he's doing both oh maybe he's calling in on his phone yeah so if you called in on your phone mike you may
I think you may have to unmute in the actual Zoom thought there was a a star something to unmute on the phone oh yeah it says it in the agenda yeah star six there we
go better yeah better so Mike did you have any questions or concerns about the project as presented uh no I do not okay we had a motion by Jenny to approve with a standard order of conditions um and with a constraint that the work can only be
done during the draw down period we also had a second to that motion by Chris St Germain um so if you don't have any questions or concerns I was going to proceed with the vote okay I think proceed with the the vote Mike how do you
vote uh H very good uh Jenny hi Jeff has recused himself Chris hi uh and Pete is not eligible to vote
on this one because uh it uh started uh before or he was appointed uh and so I for myself okay uh it's approved Matt thank you very much it was a squeaker but
thank you very much thank you Sophia you have your uh hand raised uh yes this is just in preparation for we can mute um Mike yeah thank you
so Mike I think that you have sound coming out of two places and they're talking to each other through your phone and your laptop so if you could turn the sound off on one of them like turn the volume on your phone
all the way okay Sophia um I just wanted to let you know um 90 Howard Street ask for a continuance before you read that very good thank you for
that to March 5th March 5th okay moving along pursuant to Mass General Law chapter 131 section 40 is amended in the town of lunberg wetlands protection and Municipal bylaws a public hearing on a request determination of applicability
by Jeff vivano for the removal of 10 dead trees and two leaning trees within the resource area and within the 30 foot no disturb zone of Lake Shirley located at 338 Sunset Lane and I know we have Jeff on the call
um yes Madam chair Jeff it be on 338 Sunset Lane yeah um I guess I'll kind of go over it quickly yeah just get everybody reoriented again if you would sure I need to share my screen with a bunch
of photos that would be nice as well so see how that works okay can we see that yes okay so to bring you through it um these two leaning trees there's the big one kind
of right there and then there's one behind it it's kind of um leaning at the shoreline as well uh this is the area that we swim at so there's a danger for the swimmers we talked about those those are the two
trees right there and how close they are to the Wetland those rocks are essentially what the water comes up to um in the spring once the lake level is come back um let me see here this is a dead tree that you can
see has three qus of the tree and then there's the actual top of the tree here in the woods that you can see right there that tree is suggested to come down this these two trees you can see one I think this was a lightning strike
that went down the center mass of the tree this tree was also hit you can see the bark coming off the back side of that tree which is also dead um that's kind of in this center of the peninsula um this is a Leaning Tree that
goes out into the water uh when the water does come up well this is not really drawn down too much maybe about a foot and a half but you can see kind of where the tree is dead on the bottom that's you know so the water does come up another couple of feet this tree is
fallen and it's actually sitting on like a couple of branches as like stilts um looking to get rid of that one this tree was struck by lightning all the bark came off um that tree this tree was also struck by lightning and the one
that adjoins it is dying as well that's out at the tip of the peninsula um so these are the dead pine trees there's one two three four five six seven and then there's the eight the one
that was three cors of the way up it broke off um and fell recently um this is that tree that's like 3/4 of the way up and it's the top of it is kind of dead over to the right that you
can't see um this is another tree that's obviously dead and it looks like it's going to fall over very soon um this is another tree that's dead you can see it's got a lot of you know woodpecker action in it and that tree will be coming
down if not this season next season for sure um this is another dead tree um woodpecker action in it if it doesn't come down this season it will in the next couple um that's that dead Leaning Tree
you can see that the lake is totally drawn down now so these pictures were taken at different times that's the one that almost leans into the water um this is a dead tree that is just laying on the shoreline up onto the peninsula so the water actually comes up
maybe three feet uh from that tree itself um luckily wasn't like a big root ball that kind of came up with it that is that dead Leaning Tree that I just showed you and that root ball we're looking to get rid
of that um you can see it's pretty vegetated in here um it's there's a lot of um smaller trees that are sprouting up you know with that sunlight coming through now um so with the inine replacement sorry if I'm scrolling through this and giving you a headache
but so this is the that that red block to the north that's the tree that's leaning um that is almost into the water um but it is still alive so I propose to plant one probably
maybe six or eight feet from the shoreline so we don't have that same problem of It kind of getting deteriorated in the root ball um getting eroded out this these two other Red Blocks are those two lines that are
leaning by the swim area and they're both 8 to 20 inches so they'll be um four replanting for those so there's two right behind it that I planted years ago knowing that I was going to be taking
these two trees down because every year they just lean another five six degrees and I was just kind of looking into the future and trying to get that Shoreline stabilized once these root balls kind of rot out and then to the bottom here
there'll be two more uh red Pines planted uh the only reason why it chose red Pines is because I'm taking three red Pines so I'm going to plant five in its place and hopefully three of them survive these two are actually doing really well so they're definitely going to make it they're
probably one of them is probably 16 feet tall and the other one is probably about 12 so they're actually going really nice um so these will be replanted on the bottom and then I'll put another one up there on the North side that's about
it so what are the total number of trees that you're um proposed to take out Jeff um three so three live trees and well I guess uh there's well I was kind of
assuming that that one that was almost into the water was just about dead but um that that's up to you um so in my opinion it's two okay two live trees yeah two live trees and five repl
plantings two of them have already taken well and are okay rooted and growing and then I'll put two more red Pines on the south side and then another red pine by that one that's stretches probably I'd say about 40 feet into the sh like into
the water like people running into jet skis and stuff yeah and and the and then the the Dead trees that you were um proposing to take down how many of those there's 10 10 well including that one that's leaning into the water so 12 in total 10
dead two live okay and this would all be done while the lake is Frozen um just to get you know these are going to have to be fallen and they're probably going to fall onto the lake bed itself so
just I'm not going to do it during the summer obviously to clean up all that debris out of the water but just be crazy so yeah hopefully when the ice you know I'm hoping to get it done maybe Monday but the ice is pretty thick right now it just depends on how much more
snow we get by then so um if not this year then I'll probably wait until next year if the ice does start to melt and I can't uh get somebody in there to cut them this year hopefully it stays Frozen just a little
bit longer yeah for the snowm beers right that's right yeah uh okay I I I think I'm clear on this um do we have any questions uh from other members of the commission questions Andor
comments yes Sophia I just had a question for Jeff um previously you expressed concern about um the the dead trees or unhealthy trees um and your your family and I was just
wondering about why you would want the tree that is already fallen removed that is within the resource area um I mean
kids my granddaughter her friends and you know hopefully more grandkids in the future they go walking out on the peninsula quite often and I just don't want them climbing over that and some of the branches are pretty sharp that have broken off and it it's just a danger to
them so if they were to climb over that for some reason and I I mean it's it's not a huge lot it's 0.95 acres and you know we pay almost $155,000 in real estate taxes and I
think that uh we should be able to use it and if there's you know dead trees that are going to be an issue with kids walking out there in my opinion they need to be removed it's not like we have 20 acres
here thank you Jeff any other questions from members of the commission okay I'm looking for a uh well I guess I'll also go through the formality of um do we have questions or comments from members of the public and I'm not seeing
any okay I think I'm looking for a motion still moved uh motion to approve uh Chris yes presented yeah second thank you
Jenny uh roll call vote uh Mike I Chris hi uh and again Pete I don't think you can vote on this one either because I don't think
you were appointed uh and at the uh first hearing uh so I got Mike I got Chris Jenny he uh and Jeff of course is recused because this is his property um and so I for
myself uh for approval as presented okay thanks everybody thank you uh Sophia um I just wanted to confirm whether or not Jeff had uploaded the
um new plans and information onto the portal yes that plan that I just showed you I uploaded uh this afternoon so it should be on the the portal as an attachment yep that's all thank
you all righty so we have a few others that are continued to the fifth okay I think that um that gets us concludes the uh public hearings now we need to move into it
looks like violations and do Sophia the people for 48 Meadow Lane are they on yes it appears
so okay so possibly Deb and that's the only one I see so do we have uh yeah uh could you identify yourself I'm Jim Lasser I'm using Deb's
computer okay uh no problem with that uh and you reside at for 38 Meadow Lane no I'm at 34 Meadow Lane the issue is on the back side of my property okay so
Jim you uh are at 34 Meadow Lane okay so uh Sophia why don't you give us an overview of the um the concern here um I believe there was on let see
40 48 metal Lane um there was a concern on that property that was brought to me um a little while ago um and I did some investigating just purely on um with corresponding with um
the resident of 48 mle Lane as well as looking at some satellite imagery and um noticed that there appears to be vegetation removed removal throughout different seasons um throughout the year
within the buffer zone and possibly within the resource area or very very close to it just going by satellite imagery and then there appeared to be possibly stockpiling of some sort um
it looked like inorganic materials so nothing that was it's hard to tell from imagery so um my attempt was to go out and check on the property but it's New England and
was not able to confirm in person okay okay thank you um all right so um then uh Jim is any of that stockpiled material
there yours what do you mean by stockpiled material I'm trying to I'm trying to figure out what it is you're talking about I mean I have um I have a four-wheeler parked back there um what do you mean by stockpile what is it what is that you're talking about Sophia do
you actually have photos of the material that you're talking about I do um I have to Lo them but I do [Music] okay just G to try to yeah pull it
up and can I just should be able to share yeah um so I believe this portion it's hard to tell from an image oh that right there this yeah there's a that's a that's an old picnic table that's going to be cut up and thrown in the dumpster
this year that was put out there by the previous land owners and I mean my previous homeowners it was actually my father-in-law and we brought the we bought the property over 30 years ago and that was there when I moved in I will cut it up and get rid of it it's a
picnic table with a couple old boards on it that's not a problem I can get rid of that soon as the snow's gone and then on closer examination it may appears to be like a it might have been a Christmas tree or something of
that nature right here and then I'm not sure maybe a barrel over here that's that's a tire rim from a fire pit I can get rid of that no problem and I'm not sure if this is rolled up fencing or a bunch
of trees H yeah that's a very like a eight foot piece of metal fence that'll go when the T table uh picnic table goes everything those three items will all go as soon as I can give access back
there this is just from a different angle maybe we were back here now it's to the right yeah okay more where is the um just for our reference Sophia where is the uh Wetland
relative to that uh pile of material I'm not certain because I haven't been physically on site oh okay yeah that's a little bit that that pile right there is a little bit of construction debris that's like right on the back side of my property I can get
rid of that too it's not uh it's not D it's not it's not dump there it's actually aluminum that I recycle okay and uh Sophia is there other uh material there that needs to be removed not that I'm aware of no that's
it everything you showed is what's there okay all right so uh Jim uh you know you can't do it in this snow I mean it's not reasonable um to go out and uh do it while everything
Frozen and whatnot uh I would I would uh estimate though that the snow is probably going to clear you know here before too long uh would be reasonable for Sophia to go back to
schedule to go back out there 30 days after the snow clears um would that give you enough time go would yeah okay uh Sophia does that uh sound manageable to you you actually froze and cut out my
internet connection is very unstable so um Jim uh believes that he uh can get all that material that we just discussed uh cleared out of there uh within 30 days after the snow melts and goes
away so that I would be looking for you to go out there and reinspect the area uh 30 days uh after after the snow's melted 30 days or later after the snow's melted to confirm it's been removed
okay do we have um questions or comments from uh any of the Commissioners on the call okay we'll just follow this until uh Sophia gets back out there again 30 days or more after the snow's melted will I be notified
of that visit just so I can be there Sophia you can notify uh do you have uh contact no okay um all right um I I'll make sure you get that I I can
either I'll just swing up to the uh your office Sophia and just write it down and hand it to you so you can get a hold of me whenever you need to yep okay that works thank you no problem all right thank you all right thank
you uh Sophia do we have any more updates uh on any other violations um I do not since 67 was continued okay 67 has a note read
statement um I think Maddie had put that in there let me I think there might be something on SharePoint that perhaps you said you were going to read that is right uh but that's only if
we had held the hearing tonight which we are not doing okay and that statement also has been forwarded to uh the conservation Commissioners as well but we'll uh when we actually do deliberate on the project
I'll read it into the record at that time and Sophia uh is is my understanding correct that we've lost access to near matat um I have personally I can't log in
anymore okay okay um so uh relative to 1168 massav rear I had gone in and done uh you know maybe it was right after the last uh hearing
uh done uh near map uh screen captures of you know whatever near map had in their had in their history archive history five years or six years or whatnot um of that parcel and particularly the Lin's going through that parcel where it appears that work
has been done how is the most efficient way to get that to you so that the Commissioners have access to that I don't I don't think I have the ability to upload files
um do I just email them to you that's a lot that's a lot emails content yeah I don't even know if it would all go through at once still have access to the Google Drive can you throw it on that no well we're not using the Google Drive
anymore we're using SharePoint and open goov um so have you tried adding anything to the Conservation Commission SharePoint because I'm looking at it and it says
that we have you as a member I could try TR it I don't know that's that's an option okay I think try that and then if that doesn't work um let me know and then we'll find another way okay at one point we talked about
making a folder available for Jenny to upload photos from the site walks yeah so that those can go as attachments or I'm sorry not attachments they can be uploaded into open goov
directly um M but since I don't believe 11 so Jenny can upload those to open go directly yes but since 1168 isn't a it's a violation it's not a permitting uh a
different type of Permitting so we don't have a record in open go for that Jenny um Sophie can you give me access can you add a folder and share and just call it like conservation
photos and give me access to upload stuff to it or even give all of us access to upload stuff to it for the ones that are not on open goov just so we them to you and then you could put them in a folder or or we can even get the ones get them on open go if
we 1168 should be on open gov so we can track it it's a different type of filing it's a violation and we have to pay extra for that type of permitting in open goov so our option is SharePoint so I
can set up something to we can drop photos into SharePoint okay great okay yeah that would be uh that would be good okay no other updates on violations um no not at the
moment okay and so that I think that also means that we haven't had any updates on 40 Fire Road 12 as well as I recall um uh Chris was going to go uh talk to one of the applicants but in the
dialogue the interim Town manager uh kind of told you both to go talk to him about that I don't know if that conversation happened or not everything no we haven't talked and
he's long gone now um but I believe I remember Chris sending an email about he visited but they weren't home and that's that was I think last week oh
okay all right cool um all right we'll move along to uh new business uh so uh to the Commissioners I sent you a uh an email uh tonight uh
Town Council uh has actually uh asked us and the select board to convene uh an emergency executive session regarding uh 950 Chase Road which is a uh encroachment um
conversation uh the we had a uh executive session before uh Council approached the uh homeowners um they have uh come back with a proposal uh to
Rectify uh the uh encroachment um and we need to you know we go through the um details with Town Council and with the select board also in the dialogue and we don't talk about things that might go to litigation in Open Session uh because we
don't want to put the town at disadvantage which is why uh all dialogue would need to happen in the executive session it looks like Caesar uh the select board chair has has been able to get has been able to get the select
board to uh agree that uh they can meet on Monday or Tuesday potentially um he didn't give me a time did he give me a time 6 6: p.m. Monday or Tuesday at 6:
p.m. uh would uh our commissioners be available could you be available on either of those days at 6: PM uh if anybody's not able to be available uh at that time on Monday or
Tuesday raise your hand I'm not seeing anybody raise their hand I believe we might be able to do it entirely by Zoom uh but at the very least Caesar said he can make it available by hybrid right so it's better
for people to call in they certainly would be able to call in I'll probably go up there if they do it physically um so you know we would be represented uh there physically and everybody else could call in if that's what you desire to do okay so uh real quickly Jenny could
you be available on either of those dates I can be available at on either of those dates if it's at six any earlier okay yeah I would also struggle earlier than six uh Jeff either of those
States um I'm on call at work and I am pretty much next to go next week so I would assume I'll be called in okay so you think no yeah I'd probably say a 75% no okay uh and
Mike Monday or Tuesday at 6 p.m. would you be able to call into an executive uh joint meeting well it looks like we may have lost mic again and Pete what about your availability Monday or Tuesday at 6 PM uh yes I should be
available okay very good okay so uh Tuesday only Mary huh I'm Tuesday only Tuesday only so not Monday yeah okay not Monday
Jeff and I can call uh Rich bur and find out about his availability as well um so if we did it on Tuesday that gets us me Pete uh Jenny and Chris definitely so that's a quorum
uh and then uh Mike I can follow up with and Rich I'll follow up with okay very good Sophia um can you coordinate with uh with um Annie directly uh because if it
uh if it does end up on Monday uh we'll need to uh get that posted tomorrow that uh agenda posted tomorrow I I will do my best okay Mike do we have you on audio now I don't hear you so I guess that's
no Madam chair can you hear me oh I can hear you Mike did did you hear about the executive I can hear you so yes Monday the
24th yes or Tuesday the 2 5 uh at 6: p.m. and are you available for either of those long as I can get on there okay great thank you Mike thank you yep
[Music] okay very good um [Music] um okay the next uh the next item is 100 uh Harbor Harbor Road chapter 61
removal I don't think um Jenny did you talk about that the last meeting um I I skipped over it just because I thought that it would make sense if you were here for that okay fair enough uh let's see
share the screen let's get this out of here and let's go to cemetery here we go this is Townsen just Orient everybody I'm not sharing
yet share is it sharing the stop share let me try to get share how strange is that oh you guys can see this now right you can see the map yeah I can see it okay cool all
right so out do okay yeah to get oriented here so here's Hickory Hills Lake here's s 2A the property in question is this big field right
here uh the town was notified that uh the owner uh has an offer uh for purchase it's in chapter 61 as such the uh town has uh first rer refusal uh which we're right now we're
kind of past the deadline of actually being able to feasibly uh uh make an offer to purchase it uh you guys may recall that in our uh open space uh strategic plan there are
six criteria uh for making Acquisitions um and the recommendation of the open space planning uh work group was that at least three are met this one doesn't meet any
of them um it's not adjacent to other town like land it's not a parcel bigger than 50 acres uh it's not uh from a conservation uh commission perspective it's not adjacent to any other conservation
land and there are other criteria that are more related to other boards like agriculture um Scenic uh you know uh Scenic or historic um and as far as I'm aware doesn't meet any
of those criteria either uh but I think those aren't in our purview I for one would not uh make a motion for the town to um acquire this land uh but you know I would uh like to hear from everyone
else in that regard Jenny I would also agree that we should pass on this for the reasons that you stated thank you Jenny Chris what are your thoughts um
yeah I Echo what you your summary is there's there's no doesn't seem to have any real value I I would pass okay uh Jeff what are your thoughts yeah that's a that's a pass for me too it doesn't really seem to make
sense Mike what are your thoughts uh I ALS also would like to pass on this one as well okay based on everything very good uh and Pete it's a lot to be asked on your first night here but well no that's
that's a piece of property that uh I don't think has any particular uh value I mean the neighbor across the street might like us to take it but I think uh that we can pass yeah it's it's a beautiful parcel uh I think
the open space Planning Commission was talking to part and the agricultural commission about whether they wanted to purchase it I was not able to attend the last open space planning meeting so I don't know where those uh commissions and boards are with um the
recommendation but it sounds like we're we're unanimous in um not making a motion to uh purchase it and with that though I don't think that we need to vote if we were going if we were going to make a uh motion to purchase it I would ask for a vote but since we're
dein in I don't think we need to do that uh any other questions or comments about that uh 100 towns and harbor okay we'll move on um Chris anything else about wildlands grants well um no
because couple things that I learned I think actually through you is that um it's only applies to uh land that we don't already have um we haven't already Acquired and the thing is is the there's
there's there's no available Grant at this point there was one last summer so we'd have to wait till it comes round again and we'd have to have the timing right if if we were to come across a piece of land um that we want to apply
this um you know this title to or tag it is um wildlands it it does have some restrictions and we'd all have to discuss you know if it's worth you know taking getting a piece of land and applying that title to it which is the the the long the long the long game for
that for that piece of property would it eventually became become old growth that's what the they they wanted to to do and that's limited limited um you know you can't create new trails and there's there's just certain restrictions that come to it so I think
until uh until those Grants open up again we there's nothing really to do right at this point okay very good um should I take it off or just leave it there for tracking um I would leave it on for tracking I'm
going to keep an eye out to see if I when I hear that the grants are coming around again and if if that if it lines up Al lines up with some land that we might be looking for at the town I mean you do get land at you know you they they you know they throw money
at it so if we if we had a piece of land that was worth I don't know $50,000 and they give us half it's only we only have to pay half of whatever land track we're looking at so we should definitely keep keep it in mind so I'll keep an eye out for that Grant and um when when I when
it has some movement I'll bring it up okay very good um Sophia I I would recommend that you move that to Old business um for tracking uh moving forward move it out of the new business section yeah okay not the end of the
world if you forget just you know if if you do happen to remember when you're working on the agenda I and I think I did see that uh Maddie has uh given her notice in her last day as you think you said the 27th of February that's right okay that's
unfortunate um we really need that help in the office so but thanks for ensuring our visibility there I appreciate that um Farmland of local importance uh this was something I had sponsored on
the agenda uh couple of months ago I think uh that's actually been picked up by the agricultural commission uh and they are tracking it uh so I think we strike this from our agenda moving
forward uh we only had it there on the off chance at the agricultural commission did not want to uh pick it up and track it and make the decisions but they and I feel like it's a appropriate for them to have it and track it um budget report I had not had a
chance to look at the budget report I think those come out on the 15th yeah uh Sophia yeah it's in the SharePoint folder yep so one thing that I will need to get and I'll try to write an email to uh
Maddie tonight or first thing in the morning is I will need to get the um billing uh to date on the grant work that we've been paying to uh our consultant engineering form Dillis and Roy because I'm going to have to make a
U report to uh Mass Trails by the 15th of March and it would be nice to go ahead and get some money coming back uh on that so I'll try to get that out to Maddie uh so that that she can work on
that before she leaves and then it won't fall to you to do okay yeah any any progress on the senior volunteer program um not that particular program
but we do have um a volunteer who's oh excellent yeah so that's that's good helping with they should be helping with um a lot of reorganization and filing within the office excellent maybe have to start
though but hopefully soon yeah that's excellent um okay um thanks for that update uh tree policy and tree data sheets you had presented that two weeks ago I don't know if you'd had an opportunity to talk about it the last
time last time I was out uh with the flu I'm still horse but I feel a lot better uh is that something that we need to uh vote on using I didn't have any questions or concerned with the tree data sheets that you had presented
Sophia okay I guess my question is does the commission feel that it's useful for them I feel like it's useful um that's good yes Mike I I feel it's useful as
well very good is is uh Sophia is it useful in your workflow or is it uh extra overhead in your workflow um it's not that much extra I think it's
worth the little bit of extra time in the field filling it out so that I have all that data to present to the commission if there are questions um and it just gives a better sense of I don't know I guess Clarity
on what what I'm looking at and since I do have a like a forest management background I I'm pretty comfortable with using this okay yeah I agree uh and I think anything that you can do to add Clarity uh uh around what you're asking um from
the commission right or representing to the commission and then also creating clarity as a historical document I think that's all really good stuff to be um invest in time and energy in is anybody um opposed uh to Sophia uh moving forward with that process
or concerned about it and I've not seen any hands so we'll move on okay I don't have any update on uh title searches April Earth Day events uh so we had as a commission um talked about April Earth days I had said I you
know was thinking about uh doing that again I reached out to the Parks Commission they are not participating this year uh we do have you know like the pollinator habit tat has reached out uh via mic uh they are interested in doing some
participation uh so we may do uh more limited uh Earth Day events that we have in the past um I'm grateful for help if anybody's willing to help me with this um and yeah
Chris yes mute yeah like that would be awesome yeah excellent thank you uh Jenny um I can help with administrative stuff if you need any help
designing then I'm probably having knee surgery a little bit before that so I will be not walking around much at that time yeah we're going to have to get a St to take you out on those S sidewalks with us yeah I'm starting to be able to
walk again right now so I should be able to do s sidewalks until surgery then I gotta go down again okay well we're not g to get you out on any ice though we're not making it worse no no ice yeah okay well good I I appreciate you uh
volunteering as well um all right uh moving along uh encroachment issues we've already talked about 950 Chase Road I don't have an update on 315 Lancaster
a uh Sophia any updates on the chapter 61 checkbox or whatever the options were for open go workflow can can you hear me I can yeah okay it just keeps dropping out um no I don't
okay uh grants um actually the uh lunenberg snow Rider Grant uh award year 2022 is closed out and I think I've already announced that the snow Riders did the projects on
the conservation land they were able through that and through the uh amount of ink kind uh volunteer work from the snow Riders and uh and the community where they were able to purchase that ATV uh with which they also uh you know
graciously uh volunteer to help out with a lot of the conservation land improvements so it's not even exclusively for their own use uh which we we do appreciate um but we will uh Sophia that's another one that we can take off of the agenda moving forward is the LSR
sponsored um 2022 uh Grant we already had updates from the lunenberg Conservation Commission uh Grant um progress uh and conservation land improvements uh you guys may recall that
a couple of months ago we had um some local mountain bikers come before us and ask for permission to use um a snow dog uh for snow grooming of mountain bike trails and they have been out there uh
in the lane uh larget toown forest and definitely in uh in Hickory Woods doing a bunch of grooming and man it is nice it's really nice uh so I'm I'm definitely appreciating that Chris you had a
comment yes um the words getting out about that snow dog um in the past years with snow the the place to go was lemonster it's this um it's becoming the place to ride at the word's getting out those trails are
gorgeous so anybody with bat bike is really enjoying those Trails so kudos to those guys for doing a great job out there yeah I know I was going to I was going to go try to park at the uh Lane uh Forest on Saturday morning and
there's no place to park it completely filled to the gills it's beautiful out there yeah yeah um okay the uh Hollis Road lease agreements and tenant UH
responsibilities uh uh what is the name of that it is called a custodian license agreement uh member of the public have volunteered to help us uh rewrite that um and uh they have
asked to appear at the March 5th um with their uh proposal for the update so we look forward to hearing from them then and then uh committee reports have we had any um storm uh meetings
Jenny Jenny's on mute we there was one last month there's no update for us from it and then we have another one tomorrow okay um and then uh open space we had a meeting last week I was not
able to attend I was traveling um and uh and actually I had asked previously if any uh Commissioners would be willing to take over as our representative for uh open space um Chris you had said you might be interested in that are you
still interested in that you're on mute yes does it always fall on the same day and what day is that they only meet once a month and it's usually a Wednesday okay okay yeah I can do that
okay that's awesome uh I'll uh I'll notify Mike uh to Hill he's great and they you know even though they only meet once a month that's how often they could possibly meet most of the time it's uh it's actually cancelled
just due to member availability and lack of having an agenda there haven't been a lot of agenda topics mostly it's things like this you know 100 um towns and Harbor Road that come up and they come up very few and far between okay okay uh
so maybe uh before we depart um you know and I maybe should have done this at the beginning of the meeting but I didn't have the wherewithal to give Pete a heads up about it Pete do you want to just introduce yourself to the conservation Commissioners and um you
know you can also I've been calling you Pete uh but I thought you had said that's what you preferred but you can set me straight in that regard as well yeah I like uh Pete I don't like PD but somebody wants to call me that I'll
just won't get upset uh I got uh I just wanted to be involved more in the open uh yeah in the open areas which we have the uh things like uh uh Table Rock and Northfield the
lane making sure that they uh uh see some improvement and use and uh also make sure that people in the town are aware of how much open space we have because like often people will like say why didn't we buy this piece of property
and turn it into open space and we have quite a bit of land and I want to make sure that it's it's utilized I I'm not I'm not against uh you know if a piece of property becomes available uh that would benefit you know
the town would benefit by picking up I just think we have to be careful of what we uh spend our money on and and all that I think we've got a we've got a pretty nice town and I want to keep it going in the right direction so I just want to get involved and uh I started talking to Mary and uh well I just
decided to do it so here I am yeah I think we started talking back in November or something like that it just uh took the town a while to actually get you on the agenda but we're really welcome uh we really are happy to have you here um Pete and have you join
our ranks um so I'm looking forward to working with you thank you thank you for volunteer oh you're welcome hopefully it'll all work up welcome Pete so are there any other uh any other comments from the commission and any other comments from
members of the public think I am looking for a uh a motion to adjourn so move thank you Jen second Mike Mike yeah there you're coming in strong uh and it the time is
9:02 uh for the recording so roll call uh vote on adjournment um Pete uh yes I Chris hi Mike Mike was there we come back to Mike Jeff hi Jenny
hi I for myself Mike I I heard an i all right everybody thank you good night have a great evening