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because we want that recorded. >> I apologize for that. >> No worries. Uh I didn't remember till later either. Okay. Calling to order the meeting of the Lunenburgg Conservation Commission of Wednesday, June 17th, 2026 at 7:04 p.m. In accordance with the

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requirements of the open meeting law, please be advised that this meeting is being audio video recorded. The agenda lists all topics which may be discussed at the meeting and those reasonably anticipated by the chair. Votes may be taken from these discussions. Not all add-ins may be discussed and other add-ins may be raised to the extent permitted by open meeting law. Please be

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Zoom application. You are hereby notified that the AI technology may capture audio prior to the start of the meeting and or following the conclusion of the meeting. All right, I'm going to take a roll call. Do we have Teddy yet? Does not look like it. Um, Andrea Bernup

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>> here. >> Mike Larouche >> here. >> Mary Wilson >> here. >> And I am here. Jenny Puther. Um, Richard will not be here tonight and we are hoping that Teddy will join us soon, but we do have quorum now.

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Okay. We do not have any appointments tonight. Uh, public comment. Do we uh comments are to be limited to three minutes and on a subject matter under the direct jurisdiction of the commission. Comments about current agenda items are to be made during the comment period of the specific agenda

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item. Please address all comments to the chair. Do we have any public comment? Does not seem like we have anybody here for publicmen. Okay. Uh, up next we have our pollinator habitat updates. Oh, I didn't see any

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pictures come through. Mike, did anybody send pictures that I missed? >> Um, yeah, there were quite a few this week actually of um >> Oh, the ones that were sent earlier in the week. Yes. Yes. >> All right. If you want to give your updates, I'll I'll put get those go going on my screen.

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>> Great. Um, it's been a great week um weatherwise at the habitat. There's a lot of new growth. I was there a couple of times this week and saw uh a monarch butterfly caterpillar on a um milkweed,

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which was pretty exciting. If you're into the stages of monarch butterflies, that's essentially where it starts. Or well, not where it starts, but that's a part of the cycle of the monarch butterfly. And um and I believe we may

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have pictures of that. Um and and just regular full-fledged butterflies uh were also photographed this week. And um yeah, a lot of a lot of new growth, a

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lot of flowers that are are blooming, which is kind of exciting if you're into plants. And um Jen, our photographer, is also she claims to be a bug person. She goes to the habitat, make sure all those

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healthy bugs are available um for uh nutrition for birds and other um and other creatures that essentially live on bugs. You know, people say, "Oh, no. I don't like bugs." Well, uh, bugs are a

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really big source of nutrition for, um, a lot of insects and birds and, um, so anyways, um, the habitat is doing well. I know later, you know, we want to talk

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about this now or just later. I see it. It's in the, uh, agenda. Um um but I think that issue has been cleared up and we'll talk about it more when we talk about Hollis Road. But I just wanted to be positive right from the start.

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>> Uh the habitat is doing well. Um you know they're trying to water. They're certainly looking forward to rainy days. That means they don't have to go out there and water plants individually, which is what they do. Volunteers actually will uh especially new plants.

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Um perennials not so much because they are such uh there are established in such a way that they don't require watering on a regular basis uh given that they are established perennials.

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So, that's not going to go too heavy into that. Um, as I am not an expert, but I can see a beautiful butterfly. >> It was working. Let me put it back up. >> Yes. >> Okay, >> there we go. Is that the painted lady?

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Is that what that is? >> I You're I think so. Yes. >> I think we have a couple pollinator habitat people here. It looks like if anyone wants to chime in. Um, I thought I saw Jenny. Yep, I do see Jenny. I'm assuming that's

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Jenny. And then somebody is listed as pollinator habitat. >> Okay. >> Um, and then let's see. This is always in my way. There we go. Got another one.

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>> Now that's I was told was a monarch. Uh, >> looks like one. I thought a milkweed it looks like. >> Yes. So, okay. Beautiful. What do we know what that is?

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>> I can't tell you for sure. Here. >> Okay. That is really pretty. I kind of >> I think that's common milkweed. >> That's the That's milkweed, >> I believe. So, >> that is I have never seen it look that detailed.

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That is amazing. I guess I never It always just looks like a little pink like doily normally I guess. Okay. >> Amazing pictures. >> Yeah, she really does. Um and then is this a

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>> It is common milkeed. >> Okay. Ooh. >> Looks like >> Oh, that's >> that's um grasshopper on a cone flower. Yeah. Looks like is there another bug back there? Maybe >> there could be. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Cute. Awesome. All right. Thank you so much for the update, Mike. >> Hey, you're welcome. Thank you for showing those pictures. >> Uh Mayor, you have your hand up. >> Uh yes. Thanks, Madam Chair. I got a um

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text message from from Teddy Ducet and uh he he let me know that he's not he doesn't have internet reception right now >> and he he said he tried texting you but it bounced back so he just wanted to make certain that you knew that he he was probably not going to be able to uh

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>> join. I did let him know that we had a quorum without him. >> Um awesome. Actually, it did come through. >> Oh, did it? Okay. >> Yeah. I just uh don't I forget that my phone exists when I'm in the meetings. >> Easy to do.

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>> Yeah. Okay. Let me uh All right. Let me just I'm just texting him back really quick and letting them know and just responding. Okay. All right. Um yeah, so we have just to so everybody that's on the meeting knows if they're interested, the pollinator habitat is at 123 Hollis.

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Is it street or road? >> Road. >> Road. I always confuse the two. 123 Hollis Road is open to the public. Um, and it is beautiful. So, if you ever want to go see a pollinator habitat, that's the place to go. All right. Um,

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up next we have invasive plant removal. Um, I don't think Lisa is here. Teddy was going to do the update on this, but he's not here either, so I

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guess I'll do it. Um, this is the So, I spoke with Lee um I for Fraalosi I think is her last name. um from Red Trillium Gardens and she would like to put together an invasive removal

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uh day sometime in the fall because at a it will be cooler and also that's the best time to tackle a lot of the invasives that are in the conservation areas that we have in town. Um she wants to start focus with the focus on the

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lane property and also have a uh like an information day maybe at the library uh not too long before and hopefully advertise on the town's social media. I know we don't have a social media manager in town anymore with the new

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budget. So I heard what I've heard is that the um I I Herman can confirm is that the agents or office people who work in the offices have been trained on how to do the social media now. Is that true

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Herin? >> Correct. Yeah. I did the social media for my previous place of employment when it came to conservation. So it's just >> awesome. The same thing >> with like a little graphic. You could post it on social media for us. >> Yes. >> Okay. So for this year, um, we would

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stick to manual removal just because if you wanted to do any sort of invasive removal using an herbicide, you need to have a licensed pesticide uh, a pesticide application license on any sort of public land. So, you know,

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we don't have anybody that would be that would qualify for that right now. So, that's just something that is in the pipeline. um if any commissioners have any input on that just so we can make sure we're we're doing things the right

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way and moving forward the right way. And if not, we can move on. All right, I'm going to move on because it doesn't sound like we have any comments on that or do we have any comments from members

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of the public about that? Nope. Okay. Um, minutes from the previous meeting. Has everyone had a chance to look at the minutes from 63 2026. I'm going to take All right, I got

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another thumbs up. I'm going to take those as yeses. Wait, Mary, you weren't at the last meeting, so I don't have a quorum. Oh, you're muted. I don't have a quorum to vote on the minutes. >> Yes, I was not there, Brett.

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>> Okay. So, I'm gonna I'm gonna leave that on for the next meeting. Um Okay. Up next, we have new public hearings. All hearing. Oh, pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 as amended and the town of Lunenberg wetlands

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protection of municipal bylaws. We have a request for determination of applicability by Edward Cula for the construction of an open carport at 44 Peninsula Drive. Um I do see we have the applicant on the call. How are you? >> Good. How are you?

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>> Good. Um okay. Do you have anything that you would like to share with us? >> Um no. I think everything I submitted and um what um came out to see is I mean it's

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self-explanatory I think um with what I'm hoping I can do. Uh I don't think I'm not going to disturb any any soil other than what you know comes up when they put the helical piles in. Uh, so, um, the runoff is already there from the

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existing pavement, which goes towards those planters and kind of sits there on the side of my shed. I don't know if they looked, but um, you can see where it sits because all the pollen um, actually congregates in that area. So, it never makes it down to the water when

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it does run off the driveway. Um, and I have on the other side I have the stone um that'll collect the water that's going to come off the other part of the roof. But other than that, I I believe everything else is pretty straightforward. Just an open carport.

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Um 25 by 25. The dimensions is probably right around 8t high. I think under underneath with the pitch with the roof pitch is probably about if I had to guess around 13 ft at the center.

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>> Okay. Um I'm just going to pull up the um site plan that you had uploaded. I think it was actually the additional engineering documentation that had the better >> Oh, yep.

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So, I know um Andrea and Mary and I did go out on a sitewalk and look at the property this weekend. >> Okay. >> Um let's see. Let me just share this. So, Mike can see it. >> Yeah. Madam chair, I I was in Cleveland

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still, so able to join you. But >> I remembered at first I was like I told Mary that you were going to be in Cleveland and then I was like, "Where's Mike?" And Mary was, "You told me he was in Cleveland." >> I was like, "Oh, yeah, I did tell you that, didn't I?"

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>> Um, okay. Yeah. So, this is the road and then this is the existing driveway and um this is the proposed carport. And then we um and it was so this is

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156 across. Did we have the distance from the carport to the high water mark? Oh yeah. Front. >> Yeah. I did I did submit another one that um did show that um with the the 50, the um 75 and the 100. That was

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>> okay. the next to last that um the agent said she got and she posted she received and posted >> be this one. >> There we go. Perfect. >> Okay. So, right outside of the 50 at the corner.

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>> Okay. Um do we have any questions from members of the commission? Mary, you have your hand up. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. I don't have any questions. Um, just comments. Uh, and the thing that I had been looking for on

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the drawings that I had access to on Saturday was the um was the dimensions um and the buffer zones overlaid on the drawing. Now that we have that, it seems pretty straightforward to me. >> Thank you. Do we have any other questions or

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comments from members of the commission? Okay. Do we have any questions or comments from members of the public? >> Okay. Um I think we'd be looking for a negative determination. Do we have a motion? >> So move.

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>> Second. >> All right. Roll call vote. Mary Wilson. >> I. >> Mike Larouche. I >> Andrea Bernat >> I >> and I for myself. Okay. So, we have a negative determination which means that you are okay to move forward.

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>> Oh, that was weird verbiage. >> Great. Thank you very very much. And I I I learned a lot by going through the process of doing all the paperwork myself. >> Yeah, I know. It's not It can be a little difficult to do, but >> a little little daunting. Yes.

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>> Yeah. Well, but I know Herurlin is in the office and she's a really big help. So, we're very lucky to have. >> She was great. Your agent was a lot of help and I I did appreciate her help. She um it was, you know, refreshing to know that I could send something an

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email to her in the morning and by, you know, early afternoon, she'd had responded back to me with what I any additional uh information I would need to get to her. So, I don't know if she's listening, but I do thank her for her her work helping me out.

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>> She's awesome. We really appreciate that feed feedback. Thank you so much. She's amazing. So, all right. Have a great night. Thank you so much. >> You as well. Thank you. >> Um, okay. Up next,

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uh, pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 as amended and the town of Lunberg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws, a request for determination of applicability by Jeffrey Wilson for the reconstruction of an asphalt driveway at 71 Chestnut Street. Do we have the

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applicant? Um, I do see a Jeff Wilson on the call >> and Hi. Okay, welcome. Um, so do you have anything you'd like to share with us or do you want me to pull

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up the >> Uh, you can you can pull up what the contractor >> Okay. has proposed to do. And the only thing I think I'm not sure if it's listed here is it's

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just replacing the existing asphalt driveway um with a uh with a new one. And so it would be it would be ripping out the old one and then and then where that was

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just um put in um new new gravel or whatever he has listed there and and then and then putting on new coat of of um of whatever they they do the the taring with and paving with. That would be

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that. >> Okay, let me um share my screen and just give Mike a visual. Uh Mary and Andrea and I went out this weekend and saw the site. So this is the Everybody can see

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my screen, right? Yeah. This is the driveway. Um the entire thing is going to be redone. And then at the edge of the driveway AC, if you go across the street and a little bit, if you're looking out from the driveway, you go across the street and a little bit to

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the left, the wetland is across the street. Um, we do have notes from Herllin also about this. Uh, proposed work consists of removal and replacement of the existing paved driveway within its current footprint, including excavation and disposal of existing

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asphalt, installation of a compacted crust aggregate base, and placement of approximately 3 in of new asphalt. No expansion of the driveway footprint, grading beyond the existing driveway limits or work within any within any identified wetland resource area is proposed. During the site inspection, the existing driveway, roadway frontage,

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and adjacent resource areas were reviewed. The nearest wetland resource area appears to be located across Chestnut Street from the project site, separated from the proposed work area by the paved driveway. Existing vegetated roadside areas and mature tree cover, provide a buffer between the driveway

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and the wetland resource area. The proposed activity is limited to maintenance and replacement of an existing imperous surface and is not expected to result in alter alterations to wetland resource areas, changes in drainage patterns, or adverse impacts to wetland functions and values.

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Um, thank you for those good notes, Arlin. Uh, do we have any questions or comments from the commission? Um, Harlin, you have your hand raised. I just wanted to note that there is a picture of the resource area that's

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across the street. It's kind of hard to see, but um I did I was able there's the resource area. You can you can see the if you zoom into the middle, you can actually see the water >> like right there. >> There it is. Yep. >> Yeah. And so this is across the street

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and like I said a little bit to the left. Um I think did we also have that on a plan. >> Yeah, it's on the site plan, Madam Chair.

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>> Okay. So, this is the driveway. Oh, this is the driveway. And then this is the street that it's going across. And then here is um I feel like that's not truly that looks like it's at halfway in the

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street, right? >> It could be true. It could be that it's under the street, believe it or not. Okay. Oh, yeah. Like during a >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, do we have a Did we have a measurement

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of where it is from the wetlands? >> I think I measured it through GIS and um it was like 55. Hold on, let me just quickly do a measurement through GIS right now. >> Thank you.

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I'm moving into the multi-tab zone here. Anytime I go into open gov Apologies for the delay. So according to my calculations here, it is 49 ft and 39

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49 ft. 49.39. >> Okay. >> And that's like an approximate calculation through GIS from like one corner to one corner. Um, and that's the corner that's closest to the house. If you measure the other side, which is like the one that looks like it's in the

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middle of the street, it says that's uh 73. >> Okay, great. Thank you so much. >> Okay, do we have any other questions or comments from members of the commission? Okay. Uh, I'd be looking for a motion

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for a negative determination. Do we have a motion? >> So move. >> Second. >> Okay. Uh roll call vote. Mary Wilson >> I. >> Mike Larouche >> I. >> Andrea Bernap >> I. >> And I for myself. All right. So that is

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a negative determination which means that you can move forward with the project. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you so much. Have a great night. >> Thank you. Thank you all. I I really appreciate all all the help you've all done. Thank you. Thank you. Good night.

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>> Good night. >> Okay. Um, moving on to continued public hearings. Uh, pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 as amended in the town of Lunenburgg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws. uh notice of intent by the town

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of Lunberg Conservation Commission for the construction of an ADA parking and reconstruction of an existing hiking trail at Cowry Nature Center. I know we have the applicants on the call and it looks like we do have the

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Oh, Herlin, you have your hand up. >> Sorry, that was a mistake. >> Oh, okay. And it looks like we have the representative on the call, Greg Roy. I do want to say that Teddy Ducet just joined. Commissioner Ducet just joined the meeting. >> Oh, perfect. Thank you. Let me pin

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Teddy. I'm glad you can make it, Teddy. >> Thank you. Sorry about the delay. >> Oh, no worries. It happens. Um, okay, Greg. >> Thanks, Jenny. Greg Roy with Dilson Roy. I'm representing uh you folks, the applicant. Um, I don't have anything new

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on this. I think we're still trying to sort out um um review of an of a different alternative. So, I apologize I didn't get you a continuation letter on this before tonight's meeting, but I think um there's nothing new to share on this. Um

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unless the commission has something new that they would like to share with me. Yes, I see Mary's hand up. So, >> I see Mary's hand is up. Um, Madame Chair, do we Yeah, one one question big question that we had was about the uh where the budget still is

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on our grant and I thought uh you know our volunteer Bob Peas was going to reach out to uh town finance but you know I've been away I think also Bob's been away. I don't have an update. I wonder if one's come to um the commission or to our

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consultant or if that still >> I haven't got I haven't gotten anything Mary I think Bob has been trying to chase track that down. I don't think the I I my sense is the holdup is not in bot with Bob but I think uh I don't know if anybody else has any other updates or

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has heard anything but I haven't heard anything past a couple of flurries of email in the day couple days after I sent my last inquiry a few weeks back. So >> yeah, and I thought uh I had had some correspondence from

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someone in the thought the town uh finance department about about budget uh and she was gonna she had asked for time to come and talk to

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the commission. Jenny, did that ever happen or >> no? Um I think I if I remember correctly, Herin had said we had a full um

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we had a full meeting and then she had asked to come to a different meeting. Anyway, Herllin has her hand up though so she could probably speak more to that and she I know we have a budget some budget stuff happening tonight too. So Herlin please please add whatever you have.

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>> Yeah. So, I am trying to track down um was this part of the Mass Trails grant? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, I can get to the bottom of this now that I have this year-to-date report. Um I'm not really sure what's currently happening with the account, but under the budget, I will discuss the

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fact that um there something needs to happen. Um there there seems to be some context missing from here and I don't know if the piece is that we're missing is from Bob or finance. Um and then once we get that squared away, hopefully before the next meeting, we can reach

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out to uh Greg Roy and kind of discuss what the commission wants to do um moving forward. It's a vague it's kind of like a vague answer. I know um there there are some

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roadblocks if um that haven't um we haven't been able to meet with the finance director. Herin, let me know if you um have any other questions, right? If there's anything I can do to help with this, let

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me know. I I also uh just, you know, full disclosure, have have sort of been waiting on the next um reimbursement request, kind of hoping to start from a level, you know, knowing exactly where

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we are on the balance sheet um before I before I took that next step. So, I I would like to see that as well, but if you need any background or something, um, let me know and I'll certainly share you information that I'm privy to. >> Would the entire balance of the mass

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trails budget be from that one grant >> did send out? Um well we have two different it looks like two different m items in here I guess sub accounts. Her you have your hand up. >> Yeah. So I that's what I wanted to get

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at during the budget but I guess we can discuss it now because it's part of the mass trails. So um it looks like the revised fund balance is in the negative which leads me to believe that there have been no draw downs. Um so what happens in municipalities is when you get a federal grant um you submit all

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your invoices to IDIS which is the federal government's like it's a money holder um and then IDIS gives you like this number that you draw down for from and then they send the funds to the municipality to cover the balances and

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it looks like um I'm not sure who does draw downs for the town of Lunenburgg or who's in charge of this grant. Um, >> this one doesn't work that way. >> Okay. >> Um, and I don't know how it's happening on the balance sheet on the finance side of

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it, but the way this grant works is >> we have a contract. The contract covers, you know, what um specifically what our maximum reimbursement is, but we actually have to pay our consultant, pay

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the expenses, get the receipts, and submit those for a reimbursement. >> Yeah, that's that's the draw down. That that's what it's called. So, when you submit those receipts, they we draw it down. So, >> okay. But I'm not doing it through a

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portal or anything. I'm actually sending those by email to the MA mass grant administrator. >> Oh, okay. So then that makes Okay, that makes a little bit uh that makes things a little bit more confusing on my end because when I did the munice for it, it

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says the account is in the negative. Um either way, I think it would be a good idea to get together with Bob. I know that he's been out, but um try to square this away before the fiscal year is over in a few days so that we're not running into um issues with Mr. Roy and

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everything else. >> Yeah, I agree. Uh because I was also of the impression uh that uh our consultant uh maybe had a couple of invoices pending since my last reimbursement that

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I submitted in August, September of last year as well. So the town should have paid those invoices, but >> I think so. I don't think there's any that I know of. I can check, but I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that Michael

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figured all of that out and got those paid. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, now it's just up to me to figure out what the the ones are that have been paid since I did the last reimbursement and then figure out where we are on the

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overall balance sheet. I think um Herurland, I'm I'm I think it's probably the best idea is to probably try to get us all together on you know in a meeting if we can to talk about it. You, me, Bob, uh Karen maybe.

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>> I can definitely try to coordinate that. >> Thank you. >> Okay. All right. So, um, it sounds like you would like to continue, Greg. >> I think so. Yeah, I think we need to. We don't have any new There's nothing new to present to you folks at this point.

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>> Okay. And would that be July 1st? >> Um, so I'm going to be out of town on July 1st. >> Okay. >> I would suggest maybe >> Yeah, maybe your second meeting in July would be better. >> Okay. All right. So, July 15th. >> And that that gives us a little time to pivot. Yeah. you guys. It's probably

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going to take a week or so to get a meeting scheduled and figure out what we're doing and then, you know, if it would be short time to get get something, you know, get something together if we have some direction. >> Um, anyway, so I think a month is probably more realistic. >> Okay, great. All right, so u looking for

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a motion to continue to July 15th, 2026. >> So moved. Second. >> All right, roll call vote. Mary Wilson, >> I. >> Mike Larouche, >> I. Andrea Bernap. >> Hi. >> Teddy Ducat. >> Hi. >> And I for myself. All right. Thank you

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so much, Greg. >> Thank you. You got me for a few more. I think >> I I figured. Okay. Um, up next, pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 as amended in the town of Lynen Brookland's protection and municipal bylaws, a notice of intent by Daniel and

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Rachel Brackett for a common driveway to provide access to four residential lots at 816 New Townson Road. Do we have the applicant or the representative? I do see the applicant. >> I I'm here as well. >> Oh, okay. Perfect.

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I apologize to waste Dan's time again here, but it sounds like he didn't make get the me. It's my understanding from talking with Ryan today that your commission had essentially no comments last time, two weeks ago, except for wanting to see uh that the planning

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board process uh had wrapped up um which it has not yet. Uh we're going to be on next Monday um for that. We've addressed the peerreview comments. We're waiting a final response back from them which we hope to get uh you know in the next day

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or two prior to the Monday meeting. Um so I think again I don't think there's any new information here. So to the extent that your board is waiting to to to make sure that the planning board acts um I think we need to um

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push this off. I and this one probably can be July 1st I think. Um >> okay then Ryan would be here for that probably. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, we'll do a motion wrong if there's if there's any other questions that you folks have, but Ryan said there was there was you folks didn't have anything remaining. It's

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just wanted to wait and make sure there wasn't any any tweaks or anything through the planning board process. So, I think that's >> we're in pretty good shape. >> I do not have any other questions. Um, do any members of the commission

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have questions? Oh, okay. Yeah. So, um Oh, I haven't seen that one yet. Teddy, >> I'm sorry. I was just saying no. Yeah, I was just >> I figured I figured out what I was like, stop. Um, okay. So,

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July 1st and then, you know, if Ryan can't make it for some reason, he can always just let us know. >> Yeah. No, we'll we'll we'll be we we anticipate being ready to go for that meeting. >> Okay. All right. So we I'm looking for a motion to continue to July 1st, 2026.

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>> So moved. Second. >> All right. Mary Wilson >> I. >> Mike Larouche. >> Hi. >> Andrea Bernap. >> Hi. >> Teddy Ducet. >> Hi. >> And I for myself. All right. Thank you, Greg.

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>> Okay. Thank you. Um, up next, pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 as amended in the town of Linenburgg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws, a notice of intent by Benjamin Builders for the construction of a common driveway entrance with related drainage basin and site grading at 56

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Ruth Street. This is you right Greg? >> It is. Yes. >> Again, Greg Roy with Dilson Roy. I'm representing the applicant, Benjamin Builders, uh for um lots known as two through four. Um and then the the address

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they've been grant they've been given now addresses, so it's 56 Ruth Street. I'm actually not sure what the uh it's 44 50 and 56 Ruth Street. We we're labeling it as 56 Ruth Street, but it's actually referring to all three of those.

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And uh we we were before you probably six weeks ago now. I think we had to skip a few meetings. Um presented the project. Actually, may I share my screen, Madam Chair? Is that acceptable? >> Absolutely. >> Okay, do that. Let me Oh, I got a I just requested

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permission there. >> Okay. Did you get that, Herlin? For some reason, I don't get it when people request it. There it is. Okay. Okay. How's that? Can you folks see the

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screen? Okay. >> Yep. >> Okay. So, we were here about six weeks ago uh and presented the project. I'll just give you because it's been a little bit um I'll give you a little bit of an overview of this again, but just to kind of put us into context. Um the your

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commission was looking for a couple things. Um wanted to see us get through the peerreview process with that the planning board was doing. Um so this project is a is a common driveway uh that is um

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uh per um excuse me reviewed by the planning board through a special permit process. Um and we also have storm water permits for each of the lots um associated with this as well that is also reviewed by the planning board. As part of that process uh the planning

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board sent the project out for peer review to Graves Engineering and um when we presented it last time your commission asked for um asked that when we got those peerreview comments that we upload those to the portal so that you could take a look at them. So we we have

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done that. I I'll I'll go over those in a minute. Uh but I just wanted to give you kind of an over overview. We have uh not only given you the comments, we've actually given you our comment responses and the revised revised set of plans that have been uh revised to reflect

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those um those comments from Graves Engineering. And then secondly, um you asked you asked us to provide you with a little bit of an alternatives analysis or some detail on the alternatives analysis that we uh that we went through

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uh with how we uh came to the alignment of the uh of the of the common driveway and its current location. So we did provide that document as well. That's in a separate letter um uh that that should be in your portal as well. So, um I'll just give you a quick

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overview of the of the plan. And again, this is we haven't made any um any um alignment changes or or significant grading changes uh since the first time, but I'll just give you a quick overview here. Um again, just just for people's

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reference, um well, I don't have a USGS map on this plan. I'm sorry. But if you're going down Reservoir Road, Round Road um exits to the east uh and then um kind of te's

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into Parmentor if you would. It doesn't really tee, but it it joins Parmentor. Parmentor goes to the uh slightly to the beers to the left and then Ruth Street goes on the uh uh up along in between the parcel of land and uh and the lake. So that kind of just references you to

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where where we're at. We're on the southerntherly side of Lake Shirley here. Um, and there is a pocket wetland um, which is actually not jurisdictional with the uh, under the wetlands protection act, but is jurisdictional under your local bylaw. Um, so there's

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an isolated wetland uh, which is shown here in green. It's about 3,000 I think square feet in size, so it's it's quite small. Uh, not very deep either. Um, but be that as it may, your bylaw defines that as a jurisdictional area that has a

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30 foot and a 50ft uh 30 foot no touch, 50ft no structure on a 100 foot buffer zone, which are shown on this plan in orange, blue, and yellow respectively. And um going to do a little highlighting.

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We have one house cited in this location here. Another house cited in the back um right here and another house cited here. Uh the topography um is high to low obviously down to the

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uh all the grades kind of slope down towards the the isolated wetland area. And so, um, we looked at a couple just to kind of morph into a little bit of our alternatives analysis just to give you some cliff notes of that. I won't read it verbatim, but we did look to try

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to do individual driveways to service these lots in this in the really on the entire uh property as much as we could. Um, in this case, because of the grades and um um needing to meet uh those uh grading

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requirements that the town has for driveway grades and also looking at um I I know it looks like there's a lot of loss of there's a lot of grading on this plan, but if we were to put three individual driveways in here, it would have been worse um even though it was

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outside of the buffer zone. So, it made a lot of sense to us to do to combine these into a common driveway along uh which which is aligned in this location here. Um, and we tried to match that. It's a little bit difficult to see, but

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um there's an existing cart path uh that comes in right in this location here. So, we tried to position it um further away from the wetland. So, that there's already an existing way, if you will, um

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that's that's located in that uh in this proximity of the site. We're moving the driveway further away, and we'll be restoring that area um that was former car path uh back to natural naturally occurring vegetation. So, um that we do

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have a little bit of grading proposed within the 30. Um but there's less there'll be less permanent alteration I think within the 30 um after we're done with this project than than is what's propo than is what is existing today. So, we'll be restoring those areas back

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uh to natural and you'll end up with more of a buffer between the traveled way and the isolated wetland. Additionally, um because um this project is subject to storm

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water management uh at the town level uh which require it requires compliance with the Massachusetts stormwater management policy. Um, so in addition to moving it further away from the from the wetland and establishing a little bit more of a buffer zone to the isolated

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wetland, you're also going to have the benefit of having all the storm water that flows from the site, particularly the driveway and the paved areas captured by a modern-day storm water system and directed to um storm water infiltration basins uh and treated for

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total suspended solids removal. Um it'll there'll be an operation and maintenance plan and and all the things that you would expect to see from a modern-day uh storm water uh management plan. So um so we we we gave you um those

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alternatives. We also looked at a couple different alternatives for um for the uh alignment of the driveway. Um you know, these things are are tend to be a little bit iterative. Um and when you look at the grades and you look

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at the uh needed to accommodate traffic um turning movements for emergency vehicles and and things like this along the common driveway um it really emerged as the best location uh to put it in that uh to put it as shown. Um so um

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again walking that fine line between wanting to get it as far uphill as we can u but the further uphill we go the the more grades we're fighting and the slopes got a little bit more difficult to work with. So um that was really our uh really our thought process there.

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Um, there are no DP comments in this one because it was not a DP file uh filing again because it's uh it's it's local local jurisdiction only. So, um I think that was it. I I I think I'll just go through really quick if it's

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okay the uh the comments that we got from some from Graves. Some of them don't really uh aren't really um that significant like the first one adding some telephone numbers to the plan. We of course did that. Um, comment two was fairly significant. Uh, the soil testing

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needed to be performed in all the basins. That has now all been done. Um, so that's complete and it it is shown on the revised plans that um that I just showed you. Um, there was a note about the storm water operation and

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maintenance manual um that it needed to be updated with owners, future owners emergency contact information. We have updated that and resubmitted the uh storm water operation and maintenance plan. We also submitted that to your commission as well. So you folks have that um as well.

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Uh four related again to the storm water operation and maintenance uh manual with some inspection logs. Um again that's been updated. Five um the uh the stormwater and M needs need

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signatures. So again we've we've updated all the stormwater O andM related ones. Number six, same thing. um when the certain uh operation and maintenance tasks were triggered. We've updated that. Um number seven relates uh to the the

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drainage calculations that we uh had performed. Um I don't want to bore anybody with this stuff but uh uh let's see riser detail and the infiltration bas numerous onein show offices which are normal. So we had a little discrepancy between the plant what we

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had shown on the plan and what we were modeling in the hydrocad. So uh we uh we updated uh that address that consistency and made sure the model uh jived with the uh with the plans and details. Um

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So, it looks like we had a uh a typo on the plan here. Uh we had we had some elevations that weren't going to be uh uh feasible to construct. So, um again, we've corrected that. It looks like from our note here, we had a we had a you know typo on the plan, so to speak. So,

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we've updated all that, made sure that all chibives. Comment nine is uh had to do with our total suspended solids calculation. Um, so we have corrected that and and re uh resubmitted the the calculations back uh

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along with the revised storm water calculations. If I'm boring anybody, I'm sorry. I could talk about storm water all all night, but I know that not everybody can. Uh the comment 10, the plans need to show the locations of of of or otherwise identify that a stabilized

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construction entrance is required. So we have showed that uh temporary construction access which is that sort of rumble strip that takes the uh uh the dirt and mud off the tires before it get tracks onto the public uh public ways. Um

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the infiltration trench strip line recharge construction detail needs to be provided. So again we added that to the plan and then the rest were related to planning board uh comments. They asked for a turning movement diagram which we provided not really appropo of the

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commission. Um they had some questions about the overflow from the lower rain garden um being immediately adjacent to Roo Street. Um it's actually flowing gonna overflow toward intentionally towards

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the isolated um wetland area so that we keep that hydrarology um uh continue you know we keep that continuity with hydrarology so it won't be flowing on Ruth Street the question about an HOA um there will

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be a legal mechanism uh for um common driveway ownership uh for operation and maintenance tasks uh which will relate to the commission because um you know you you will be concerned I think about correctly about storm water uh systems being operated and maintained correctly

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in this case because it's a common driveway. There will be a legal framework in in place that will have requirements in the ma in sort of a master deed if you will. It's not really master deed but there'll be deed references in each of the deeds that relate to the common driveway agreement

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uh where those uh types of activities will be referenced. So, u you're a little bit more protected than you otherwise would be on a single family uh lot in this case. And that was it. So, I just wanted to give you the overview of those uh which addresses um the types of

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changes that we made to the plants. And that's all. I'm happy to take any questions. >> All right. Thank you, Greg. And we do love talking about storm water here, just so you know. >> Good. That makes me happy. >> Um do we have any questions for members of the commission?

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Teddy, you have your hand up. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh, Greg, is there a planting list for this uh project? >> So, you know, they said rain garden, but actually this one we don't have rain gardens. Um, this one we're do we're calling these infiltration. We're

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actually doing bonafide infiltration basins on this one, which wouldn't get planted. Um, so I don't have a planting schedule for you. um like we had on some of the other one other single family lots were rolls in the rain gardens.

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>> Okay, thank you. >> Great question, Teddy. Um do we have any other questions or comments from members of the commission? >> All right. Do we have any questions or comments from members of the public? Okay. Um, I think I'd be looking for a

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motion to approve. >> I I guess I have one more question. Um, >> okay. >> As for if if it says rain garden, should we have the changed. >> Well, the plan doesn't say rain guard. So, the plan's correct. Um, we've got

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it's uh you see, let me highlight it so you can see it. Proposed infiltration basin. I think it was a question that um that was posed by the planning board and we like to do those verbatim. >> So, uh let me just see if I can

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>> That's fair. I just want to make sure that we have everything in order if we're going to approve it. If it says rain garden and then there's infiltration basin. I just want to make sure that >> Yeah. No, I think it's okay. I think the plan that you have is correct. I think it's really just the document that the the question that was asked the way it

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was phrased by the planning board member. >> Okay. >> Um so I don't think that'll cause any problems. It's uh it's it's a uh it's an infiltration basin in this case. >> All right. Good questions, Eddie. again >> and that that really relates to the s

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you know because it's a little bit more of a ju just for your edification on a lot of the single family house lots and I think maybe a couple of the common driveways we're doing uh we are doing rain gardens I know you several of the ones that we approved a few weeks back um that you have reviewed have rain

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gardens this one where it's three lots it's a little bit more impervious area so you know um there's a there's a limit to what you can put into a rain garden practically um by the uh storm water management better management practices

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guidelines for rain gardens. So this one just kind of was a little bit at the upper limit. So we we did a a full bonafide infiltration basin and then you get recharge out of it. Um which is a benefit as well. >> Um is there like gravel put into that or

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is it just dug out soil? >> Sometimes we do. Sometimes we do. In this case the underlying soil is really really good. Uh here it's it's a it's a good sand and gravel. So um we have the benefit of of that here. So uh we don't have to do anything really exotic to get

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that to uh to infiltrate in this case. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. Um I would make a motion to approve. >> Thank you, Teddy. Um >> do we have Teddy? You did a motion to app to approve, right? Yes.

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>> Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Okay. Um, roll call vote. Mary Wilson. >> I. >> Mike Larouche. >> I. >> Andrea Bernap. >> Hi. >> Teddy Det. >> I. >> And I for myself. All right. Thank you,

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Greg. >> Appreciate it. >> Okay. Up next, pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 as amended and the town of Lunenburgg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws, we have a notice of intent by UNATIL for the construction of

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a um I don't see her on. Also, I know there's no D. So, is there a continuence on this one? Helen, >> uh we did get a D file number very very last hour of the day. Um but they did request a continuence to our next available meeting which is July 1st.

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Okay. Um, so looking for a motion to continue to July 1st, 2026. So >> move second. >> All right. And did I say the address? That's 934 Mass. I want to make sure I said it on the record before as we continue it. Um, all right. Roll call

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vote. Mary Wilson >> I. >> Mike Larouche >> I. >> Andrea Bernap >> I. >> Teddy Dat >> I. >> And I for myself. All right. Um, up

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next, pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 as amended in the town of Lunenburgg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws, a notice of intent by Nichols Excavating LLC for the replacement of a failed septic system at 146 Young's Road. Um, it looks like as

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you see the >> Oh, no. But I think you skipped uh >> Oh, did I skip one? >> Thank you for that. Gosh. >> Let Dan let let Dan get out of here. I got to I got to stay for meeting anyway. >> Okay. All right. We'll take it out of

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order. So, uh at 146 Young's Road and I do see that we have the uh representative on the line on the call. >> Yes, I'm Greg Roy is here representing the applicant. >> Excuse me.

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>> Okay. Um wait, so you're 146 Young's Road. I'm I'm 146. Do you want to take >> Go back to 18 Oakidge and get that one out of here. >> Why don't you do that one first because Dan Dan >> I thought you were saying that he All right. You want me to take it out of order? >> Well, no. Yeah. No. No. Where? We're

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next. >> Take it in order. All right. So pursuant to to MGL chapter 131 section 40 as amended and the town of Lunland's protection and municipal bylaws a notice of intent by Steven Veton and Melissa McCarthy for the demolition and

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reconstruction of a single family home with a new sewage disposal system at 18 Oakidge Road. And I know that we have the representative on the call. >> Yes. >> Good evening. >> Um my name is Dan Wolf. um with uh David

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Ross Associates and representing Steve Veton and Melissa McCarthy who are also on tonight. Um this is a uh continuation of a hearing that we had back at the um back at beginning of May I believe and

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we asked for a continuence. Um this why don't I uh if I could share my screen would that be okay? I realized I somehow got muted. I did say please do, but you probably didn't hear me. >> Yeah, I didn't hear. I went ahead anyway. I hope that's okay. >> Thank you.

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>> All right. Well, we had met earlier and um I had um come to the commission with the belief that as long as uh the construction that we were planning was no closer than the existing structures, then that would be met with um

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satisfaction of the commission. But the commission straightened me out and I'm actually glad about that. Um, from the standpoint that the the home that was designed has has uh undergone a complete redesign to help it fit in the space

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better. It uh allowed us to move the house uh out of the 50-foot no uh no structure zone and it also allowed us to remove it from any portion of the flood plane. So, uh, I think good things have

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come out of this change. I hope you'll find it, um, the same. Um, as I mentioned, we've got a completely new house footprint here. Uh, the previous plan had showed a, um, a house that was not connected to the existing garage,

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but in this design effort, uh, we did connect it to the garage, giving, uh, access right out to the, uh, the detached garage that was there before. Um so um what I wanted to report which I

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thought was fairly significant and again it came out of your suggestions uh from the last meeting is that we did have uh the proposed deck of the new house uh 32.5 ft from the wetland previously and now I'm happy to report that the house

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and deck are now 51.2 feet back from the uh resource area. So very happy about that. There were just a minor modification to the upgraded septic system uh only in the fact that the tanks were reoriented and also moved

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somewhat away uh from the resource area. Those tanks sit only about 92 to 94t away from the wetlands. Now uh so again another positive improvement that came about as as a result of your request to

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us. So, I'm I'm hoping that you uh feel that we have listened to you and have heard your request and um uh this is the plan we're presenting tonight. So, if I can answer any questions, I would be happy to. >> Thank you. I want to say I we I

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personally as one commissioner, I do really appreciate this plan. Um I think this is a much better plan. Thank you. Um, do we have any questions or comments for members of the commission?

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Okay. Uh, do we have any questions or comments from members of the public? Yeah, >> Harlin, do you have any comments on this one? >> I always mean to ask you and then I forget.

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>> Uh, no comments. This is This plan looks great. Um, I do um I do want to make a a note for the commission that if the commission does move forward with an order of conditions tonight, if we can put in some conditions in regard to

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debris removal um staging outside the 100 foot buffer, please. because I I believe the house is being demoed first. So if all debris and rem like removal can be put outside of the 100 foot buffer for staging um and covered or something like that so it doesn't fall

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into the waterway. >> Okay. Uh so it's debris outside of 100 foot buffer and >> debris and like so staging. Yeah. >> If they're going to have dumpsters on site and all that stuff.

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>> Yep. Okay. Uh, do we have any other questions or comments? Okay. Um, you're looking for a motion to approve with the condition that debris uh, and staging is outside of the 100

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foot buffer. >> So, moved. >> Second. >> All right. Um, roll call. Mary Wilson. >> I >> Mike Larouche. >> I >> Andrea Bernett. >> Hi. >> Teddy Det.

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>> Hi. >> And I for myself. All right. Thank you so much for this updated plan. It was really nice to be able to work so easily. >> Great. Thank you very much. I appreciate your time. >> Thanks. Have a great night.

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>> You too. >> Okay. All right. Pursuant to MGL chapter 131 section 40 as amended in the town of Lunenberg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws, we have a notice of intent by Nichols Excavating LLC for the

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replacement of a failed septic system at 146 Young's Road. And we do have the representative. >> Yes, Madam Chair. Greg Roy with Dulson Roy. I'm representing the applicant this evening. And um I think

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um I think I'll share my screen if that's okay. >> Yes, please do. >> While I'm doing that, I'll just give an update. The um so I think this was opened a few weeks back. Jack Maloney from my office, I think, was the one that presented to you folks. Um this is

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a repair septic uh septic system um or an upgrade as we call it. Um so it'll be a replacement system. Um there were um it wasn't able to be closed last time because we were still waiting on a D

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file number. So um we did get the DP file number. There was uh one comment from D relating to just questioning whether or not or asking us to confirm whether or not that uh there was additional flow for um whether the

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system was being expanded and it is not uh being expanded. We're matching the existing bedroom count. So, it's a true repair in the sense that it's it's just uh replacing what what is there um apparently and no no expansion. Uh the

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only other thing I wanted to report was that the board of health did approve this uh plan uh Monday night. So, um we did have to request a local variance uh to the um relative to the location of the leeching field to the wetland. um and

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several what we call local upgrade approval um waiverss uh through the through title 5 uh and those uh were all approved by the board of health. So I think I'll leave it at that. Um but if you have any other questions I can

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certainly uh certainly answer them. >> Okay. Uh thank you Greg. Do we have any questions for members of the commission? Um, I think the D comment when I looked at this earlier, maybe I'm confusing this with another one, was actually

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about uh how the 50 foot related to repairs on um septic systems that were grandfathered in. Uh, am I am I misremembering that? I

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guess I should have read it. I just went with Jack's uh briefing uh packet here. You know what? I have it. Uh let me see if I can >> You're correct, Madam Chair. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Will you just read it for me? Just >> Yeah. The 50ft setback distance shall

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not be required for replacements of septic systems constructed prior to the effective date of 310 CMR 10.00 00. So long as the replacement does not represent a substantial enlargement over the current system and no alternative location exists on site, the applicant should confirm the date the existing

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septic system was installed. If an alternative location or design exists which could provide greater distance from the resource area exists. It's a lot a lot of exists and whether the proposed system is a substantial enlargement over the existing system. The commission may consider requesting information on the proactive system to

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verify the project meets title 5 approval. has the board of health reviewed the plan. So, yeah, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going crazy. So, it was partially what he wrote, but then there was all that other stuff. And um I just thought that was interesting cuz I didn't I actually just didn't know

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>> that um >> that the 50 foot setback distance isn't required for replacements of septic systems constructed prior to that date. >> I just thought that was interesting. >> Yeah. So just just so everybody's benefit, title five sets the dis the

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distance between a leeching field and a wetland resource area at 50 feet. Your local bylaw sets it expands that to your excuse me your well your bylaw but also your uh board of health regulations expands that to requires 100 ft.

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>> Yeah. So, in this case, we um so in the case of a repair septic system, a a system that's replacing a failed system that's old, and I I apologize. I do not know when the system was constructed, but I got to believe it was, you know, a

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long time ago. Most people are. Um, so when when in the case that where you're replacing an uh a failed septic system or upgrading it and not increasing the capacity, meaning you're designing the new system to manage the same number of

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bedrooms that the existing system managed, um, you're allowed to request what's known what are known as local upgrade approvals under section 401 or 402 of title 5. Um, and there's a whole list of them that you can that you can

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uh ask for. You can ask for reductions to groundwater offset, the distance, the vertical distance that the system is. You can ask for area reductions of the size of the the system. And you, one of the things you can ask for is a reduction in the distance. You can reduce that 50 foot title five

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requirement to the wetland. Um, which is what we have done in this case. >> Um, and and the board of health um is the one that irrespective of the fact kind of like your board where where um you have the state weathers protection act but your

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commission administers it and issues the permit. It's the same thing with local upgrade approvals. So it's a state regulation, a title five regulation, but it's administered by the uh board of health. So they have the uh the authority to either grant or deny local

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upgrade approvals and they granted those uh with this system um on Monday night. So, >> right. Thank you, Greg. Appreciate that. All right. Um, do we have any >> just one other thing? Sorry.

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>> Oh, yeah. Please. >> There's one other point in there that I I felt like I could flush out with uh being uh putting it elsewhere on the site. Um, there really when the blue is the well radius. >> Um,

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>> so there's really no other spot. uh you have to be at least 50 ft away you have you're supposed to be 100 ft away from the well. Um you can't be any closer than 50 ft. Um and they um sort of when you're when you're asking for local upgrade approvals it's kind of a

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hierarchy if you will. So they like you to be as far away from the wall as you can even if it means you got to be a little closer to the wetland. >> Uh so that's kind of the way we that's the way we arrived at the location. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. Do we have any questions for

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members of the commission? Do we have any questions from members of the public? Okay. Um Carlin, do you have any comments? >> No, I think this is the continued hearing. I think I uh made some comments during the last meeting.

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>> Okay. All right. I'm looking for a motion to approve. Do we have a motion? >> So moved. >> Thank you. >> Second. >> Okay. Uh, roll call vote. Mary Wilson. >> I. >> Mike Larouche. >> I.

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>> Andrea Bernoff. >> Hi. >> Teddy Ducet. >> Hi. >> And I for myself. All right. Thank you so much, Greg. >> Sure. >> All right. Um, wait, where did my So there it is. Right. Pursuant to MGL

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chapter 131, section 40 as amended in the town of Lunberg wetlands protection and municipal bylaws, a notice of intent by Jenkee Jenk Construction LLC for the construction of a single family home with a wetland crossing at 507 West

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Townsend Road. Do we have the applicant or representative on the line? I know this does not have a D number. Did they ask for a continuence? Her >> I didn't see one come through, but let me briefly check. Sometimes they email

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me right before the meeting. Let's see. Nothing on here. And then let's check open Gov real quick. Sometimes they put it through open go. >> This was 507, right? >> Yep. They haven't submitted anything and I

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don't see a new site plan which was requested during the last meeting. Um I would say >> continue this to July 1st and I will reach out to the applicant to make him aware. >> Um

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all right. Uh looking for a motion to continue to July 1st, 2026 and the office will reach out to the applicant. >> So move. >> All right, I'm going to give it to Mike and then do have a second >> and second for Teddy. Um roll call vote.

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Mary Wilson >> I. >> Mike Larouche >> I. >> Andrea Bernett I. >> Teddy Dette I. >> And I for myself. Okay. Uh moving on, they are done with hearings.

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Do we do not have any administrative determinations tonight um for enforcements? The I know we don't have any updates right now on 1168. It looks like if I look at the meeting

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notes, uh Harlen, you have your hand up. >> Uh yes. Just recently um I was in an email thread with D where they requested a timeline from this uh property owner and the representative which was given

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to them um as let's see just bear with me in regards to them getting information back to us and they are going to be working on getting something to D and to us. Let's see.

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Does I'm sorry. A timeline for the work conducted on the property. Um I will share this with everyone. I apologize for not sending this out in the meeting materials. Um it just came through and um it talks about the

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demolition of the existing house and um it looks like DP also asked for their USDA contact as um the property owner is stating that uh this is in

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either the works of becoming um farm a farm or is a farm and um we are to hear back from them shortly Okay. All right. Thank you for the update.

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Um hope hopefully we'll have more soon. >> Okay. Um 314 Highland Street. I see we have a lot of notes on 314 Highland Street. Uh do you want to go over this Harland since you went on site? Yeah. Thank you. >> So the applicant um I'm sorry, not the

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applicant, the property owner is not attending tonight. Um so basically I was on site on June 4th and based on the site inspection um and observations um unauthorized works associated with

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the driveway improvements um those were the pictures Mary had sent in. Um there was an installation of a covert placement of gravel fill and alteration of a drainage um feature existing characteristics of an isolated wetland or seasonally saturated wetland swale.

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And when I went on site, it looked like as you're approaching the driveway, there was some vegetation to the right that looks a little wet, but um it didn't have all the characteristics of a wetland. It could be some sort of isolated wetland that is from the

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drainage that's up above. Um and then to the left side there was definitely a wetland. Um, so I discussed it with the property owner and he has been living there since 1987 and had some concerns with icing and damning forming at the top of the

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driveway. He hired a company who said they would do some work for him. We're just repaving the driveway and as they were repaving the driveway, the contractor stated that it would be a good idea to put in some sort of drainage pipe underneath the driveway so that the ice would stop from forming up

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above. Um I think he just he wasn't experienced and had no idea that he had to come forth to the uh commission for permission for this. He did provide a letter which I uploaded. I don't know if you guys got to see it yet. >> I can um share my screen >> please. So,

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>> while I was out there on site with him, I did discuss the ramifications of potentially having a fine for the violation, having to either remediate this completely by having the drainage pipe removed um or um other options. I

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said I would come to the commission and propose two options. One would be total removal of the drainage pipe, filling it in and and or filling it in so that the water can retain in that area. Um I want to make a note that the the area that

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seems like an isolated wetland was dry at the point we are at level two drought. It's really hard to tell and even the soil um the hydraology of the soil because we've been in a in a drought for so long, it's not really indicative of what the actual soils in

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that area are like. Um, so it was very sandy when I went on site. Um, and I also told him that another option would be some sort of informal replication somewhere else on his property. Um, he said he was open to paying for a

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violation fee. Um, he would really would like the second approach of um, either some sort of informal replication on site um, and then whatever the commission wanted to do. and I said my only job is to advise the commission and then they would move forward with some

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sort of decision after we explain to them what happened. Um this person is of a certain age and and I think that there was a little bit of lack of understanding with that and I'm not using that as an excuse but just providing context to all of this. Um, I

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think that maybe issuing a fine, a possible fill, not the removal of the actual um, pipe, but maybe filling it in with more rip wrap in the area so that it does retain some water. And then the

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replication also, all of those three things combined might be a reasonable remediation to the violation. >> Okay. Um, Teddy, you have your hand up. Thank you. >> Yes, thank you, Heron. Um, and Hurlin,

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is the uh isolated wetland that you were referring to caused by the drainage from the pipe. And the isolated wetland looks like it was there before. So, the water used to flow over his driveway causing some

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icing. And now that the pipe is there, the pipe lets the water flow underneath the driveway. And so what I think he was saying in his letter is I see it looks like this little um waterway

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used to take water and put it into the back of this property that's next door and they filled that in. It sounds like >> that's what it sounds like. And then I tried looking if you look at GIS. So typically tributaries are led by a resource. So there has to be like a

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major resource above a tributary that feeds it. So when you look at I'm just trying to pull up my GIS up real quick. When you look at GIS, the closest resource area is pretty far from that property. So I'm not sure if whatever

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whatever tributary is there now is was created when the houses were built like runoff or if it's actually the topography of the area. Um, but I couldn't find like the original source. Is this

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This is 314 Highland. All right, just bear with me as I pull this up. Okay. >> Yep. >> So, let me see if I can share my screen. Bear with me. Oh, you have it up. >> I do. >> Do you have your base layer on to the

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side to the left? All the way to the left there's layers and you scroll to state data and then all the way down D wetlands. You just click on the circle. Yeah. The top. If you click on both, it does the national inventory as well, which you

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want. There you go. >> If you zoom out, so you see how the tributary is out. It's below his house. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm not the drainage from his driveway, you know, it that that can't

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be it. It has to come from above. And I couldn't find the resource area up above. So, I was thinking that maybe the tributary that's forming right next to his house could be due to the construction of the adjacent house 18.

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Okay. So, in his where was that? >> The letter that he submitted. >> Yeah. Hold on. I have too many tabs open. This is this open gov breaks my brain. Um, oh no. Did I find that in here? I

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found that in here. Okay. So, he's showing because he's showing it way over here. >> Yeah. I'm not sure where he found that. >> I'm not sure where he found that map. It says 1987 to 2000. Um, because I couldn't find anything. And if you

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scroll, if you zoom out even more to see if anything on that end comes up, do you see how the tributary that um if you zoom in that? Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's the closest resource area

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>> and that's a marsh. >> Okay. >> But you did see >> Yes. Well, on site there is definitely >> there was definitely vegetation that's indicative of wetlands. There were ferns growing in the middle. He had he actually had a bunch of wild blueberries growing around that he had never even

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noticed. >> Um uh so the strata was definitely there. Um >> so it's been long enough >> it's been wet long enough so that it's an isolated wetland. >> Okay.

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Okay. So, um Harland has two suggestions. Um do we have any comments, questions uh on ways to approach this? You suggested filling the pipe with um

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what exactly? >> So there was already rip wrap there which is um a bigger size stone. My thought process was letting putting in smaller stone like filling it in with more rip wrap which would be less you

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know when you fill it with dirt or soil it just it's going to wash away. But if you put rip wrap in there so that a little water, a little bit of water can flow through and not ice over his driveway but still get through enough to where the other side is still getting enough water. Both areas are getting

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water. Um that's why >> Yeah, but if there's like a if there's like a huge overflow event, it doesn't flood his driveway. It just goes to the next. Yeah, I like that idea. >> Um and like keep both areas as wetland.

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>> Right. That was my that's the only thing I could come up with because um the other option would be to have him rip up the driveway which would then I think would cause more damage to the area. Um he would have to get heavy machinery in

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there to remove the pipe to then fill it in again and find some sort of remediation which would probably be elevation. Um, and I think that's just more disturbance to the area than necessary where he can probably hire another contractor to under our supervision to fill in the pipe with

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some rip wrap to slow down the water flow. Not enough to where ice is over, but enough to where both areas are still maintained as wetlands. Um, and maybe issuing a $300 fine on top of that if the commission is not open to that, that's perfectly fine. We can also add a

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small informal replication area on his property. He's willing to do that as well. So maybe both the rip wrap and the replication. >> Yeah, I like all of that. I'm I'm in favor of all of that personally. >> As am I.

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>> I'm uh I'm in favor of uh the remediation and whatnot. I'm I'm not really uh so much in favor of a fine uh myself. uh just you know it seems like he's willing to work with us. It you

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know it it does seem like it was an honest error. Uh you know I I think more about uh fines when we have people who are not willing to work with us who have been before us multiple times and then claim that they don't know there's a

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wetland protection uh law etc. Uh but in this case it really seems and feels like it's an honest error. I agree. Thank you, Mary. Okay. So, um it seems like we're all in agreement with the

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or from what I can tell adding some rip wrap to the cover and doing a restoration area. Do we want to wait for is the applicant planning on coming another time or do you think that we could come up with something tonight and just you could

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relay that to them and >> help them? Okay. >> Yes. I don't think they are technologically inclined and h were having difficulties um with this whole issue thing. That's the letter actually. He brought it in um

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very kind and I I agree with Mary. I I think the fine would be too much. He just offered so I I wanted to relay all the things that he was willing to do. U but he is more than happy to comply. Um he's just not very savvy with technology and okay, I can definitely if you guys

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make a decision tonight, if you vote on both things, I can definitely relate and work with him closely so that we can get this up and going. >> Okay. Um, >> so do we need to vote, Madam Chair? Better formality. >> Yeah. So, let me um take a quick little

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poll. Are we all thinking that the adding the river up to the cover with a restoration area is the best path forward? I got Teddy. I got Andrea.

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I got Mike. >> I >> Okay. All right. So, um, and we do So, I have a motion. I'm looking for a motion to approve these actions for the uh restoration of

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the area that's in violation. >> So, moved. Second. >> Um, roll call. Mary Wilson, >> I. >> Mike Larouche, >> I. >> Andrea Bernap, >> hi. >> Teddy Det. >> I.

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>> And I for myself. Okay. Um, thank you so much for working on that with them. Erlin. >> Sure. >> And um, let us know if you need anything on that. Um, okay. up next.

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Um, we don't have any emergency certifications. Uh, we don't have anything under updates. Uh, do we have anything under topics unknown? Do we have anything that we want to do we want to pick up bylaw discussion

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again soon now that Oh, Harland, >> I'm sorry. I missed under topics of known. I had sent out an email today about um I don't know if if everybody's aware about the environmental bond bill that is going before the house. They were supposed to meet today at 1. I'm

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not sure what happened. Um but I thank you all for at least looking at it if you did. Um I know that Teddy and Andrea both reached out. Um and it's very important that we keep our eyes on things like this. Um, if any of you have haven't had a chance to read it or look

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it over, I would highly suggest you do as the changes that are proposed will de will directly impact every one of you as commissioners. Um, and um, it's something that we should be looking at closely and possibly discussing. I have

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discussed uh the potential changes with our town manager. Um and yeah, we just have to be very um aware of the things that are kind of happening. They are happening very quickly as of recent. So um I just

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wanted to put that out there. >> Right. And did has everybody had a chance to see that? I know Andrea, Teddy, and I did. Mike, did you have a chance to see that? Uh I did but unfortunately I was not able to respond because I was on my bike ride.

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>> So I was unable to to respond by the 1230 uh deadline uh that we were asked to respond by. So, um I agree with Hurland

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that this is uh very important stuff and um um we we should certainly send our voice in to uh make sure that um you know we don't have our rights removed.

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You know that that's what I understood what was trying to do. they're trying to go around. Um um is that is that >> their authority? I think I would say >> you know they don't need our authority

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uh to go ahead with um certain regulations uh regarding wetlands and and you know that's disturbing to me knowing that there are groups trying to do that and we should certainly voice our opinion um

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and our concern that uh we don't want this to happen and if it means you know making a call or um about our opposition we should certainly do so.

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>> Thank you Mike. So um where they ended they didn't end up voting it sounds like you do have some more time. >> Okay. >> And the other thing that we could do is um you know if we have a little bit more time if you know people who you think would be willing to call too or send

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letters. Herin sent a a great letter earlier. You know, people could also take something like that and tweak it and send it in. Uh Mary, you have your hand up. >> Uh yeah, I didn't want to interrupt your train of thought, though. >> Oh, no worries. Yeah, I just I just wanted to um you

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know remind everybody that uh the we here is the town and and not just us as a commission because what we actually what we actually are charged with um presiding over is the will of the town

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and the town's bylaw um subsection. That's the wetland um protection act or the municipal wetland regulation that's been enacted by the will of the town and you know under our home rule rule jurisdiction. And so what they're um

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what the proposal seems to be doing is taking away um home rule authority from the town. So I would encourage anybody who has the ability and inclination to reach out to actually reach out on behalf of the town, right? Because we

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are all members of the town and those of us that sit here at the table tonight are uh members of the commission that have been given the authority to um you know uh deliberate on the matter of the

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town municipal laws. but that is really the will of the town that we represent. Um and and that to me is just a huge deal with the state wanting to take away home rule from the towns. >> That's all. >> That's an excellent point, Mary. Thank

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you. >> Yeah. So, it looks like it sounds like we still have time to reach out um and maybe ask people that may be interested to also reach out. Uh there's a phone number and there's also a email that Herllin sent that has their email

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addresses and the phone number to the office. So if anybody is interested in taking that on or did wait, did we did you know when they're planning on voting on this now? >> We don't know but um it's very quick. So

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the amendments they had so they met last night and um put together 583 amendments to be voted on today at 1. So when I mean quick I like I'm I mean quick things are happening very quickly. Um but I'm sure MAC will notify us again

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and I I do keep the um there's a live feed sometimes that goes comes through. You can look it up of like civic engagement and they'll have like the state house, the house of representatives. I'll I keep that sometimes in the background just in case because this has been circulating since

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last year. Um, but if anything does come up, I will notify everybody. I don't know as of yet when they're going to meet again to vote for this, but I'm sure we'll be hearing about it shortly. >> Okay. I think it's like it's wild that they can meet last night, come up with 587 amendments, and just put them all

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into one bill, all different things, and then vote on it, you know, 15 hours later. >> It's very strange. Yeah. >> Yeah. It doesn't I mean, we if we want to talk about anything, we have to post it 48 hours in advance so that everybody

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has an the ability to know what we're going to discuss and come here and discuss it with us. So that seems um just crazy to me, but here we are. Um okay, so thank you for pointing that

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out, Herlin, and um bringing that up because it is very important. Uh so unless we have anything else under the topics unknown, we have the bylaw discussion. I know that we had tabled that for a bit just because there was so

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much happening in town, but it might be something that we want to start looking at as far as the wetland as as far as the permitting fees structure and start, you know,

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figuring out how to approach that. >> Um, >> yep. Yeah, I think that's something that we can start working towards. I've mentioned in the past um it's just a verbiage that so we have to change it in

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the town code charter first um and I I have to meet with legal um to discuss the path that they want us to go with first. >> Okay.

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>> All right. Yes. if you if you could um do that at one time at one point with his office hours that would be great and if you want I would be happy to go with you too for that. >> That would be great. Yeah, I will let you know.

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>> Okay. Okay. Yeah, I'd want to definitely just keep that as something that we start talking about again so that we can it's something we've wanted to do for a while and it would be nice to get some movement on that finally. And we don't want to do it we don't want to be doing it as it gets closer to

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although all year is budget season as it gets closer to you know the crazy part of budget season when nobody has time for anything. Um but also we're going to have to do something in town meeting too so we want to be prepared for that.

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Um, okay. So, conservation budget. We have a budget. We have budgets to look at. Um, did I did everyone get a chance to see Harland's email with our account?

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>> I have not I I know she sent an email, but I've not had a chance to review it yet. >> Me neither. >> Okay. I'm gonna pop it up on my screen. So, I wanted to interject by saying that um the way the the way the land use budget is set up is

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very confusing because all our monies go into one pot. But so then I I only drew the year-to- date reports from these actual active accounts that we have. Um, one of them is the Mass Trails grant

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that has a negative balance which I have to sit down and figure out what the status of this is. We have the HA account which is Polish Road and that's a revolving >> Hang on. Um, go ahead. It would it would be helpful for me to see what you're

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looking at while talking to it. I am sharing my screen as we speak. I hope. Wait, no. Is that the wrong one? Um, where is the screen that I'm on? My computer's being

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conservation documents. Is it this one? It's this one. Okay. Can everybody see my screen? >> Yes. Yes. So I just wanted I I wanted to give a quick summary before we went into each account. >> Um >> Okay.

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>> So it's the Mass Trails Grant, Hollis Road, Timber Rights, and then the wetlands bylaw account. Everything every other account that we have that is related to conservation is either account with a zero balance which was just left open forever or a grant

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account where we are receiving funds from sort of some from excuse me from some sort of grant or um endowment like there's one where somebody left a large amount of sums to the conservation commission that the town manager kind of

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keeps track of and I don't have access to that because it comes directly in from a bank, not through munis, our municipal finance system. So that I that was more for a clarification as to why there's only these four accounts that are reflected.

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>> The Chris uh >> Kelly Sean Kelly fun >> Sean Kelly. >> Yes. >> Yes. So that would that would not be reflected under MUNS because um it's a bank almost transaction not an internal MUN

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um like expenditure and you know but it it seems like it ought to be in munice because we should have the ability to draw funds from that account if we elected to. Right.

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I said the same thing. >> I agree. >> I said the same thing. And I'm not sure why we don't have um like I don't even know what the process is to like if we wanted to use those funds. What are the stipulations? Was there a contract in

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place when the funds were allocated to ComCom? Are there are there fees from that account that are being charged for us holding money in a bank? Like >> I feel like there ought to be some transparency there. Uh you know it and

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it is a it is a sizable pot of money, right? Uh which you know hopefully the town has invested in some uh some type of fund that yields some some gains, right? And but there should be some transparency there uh because it was

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specifically and directly allocated to uh Lunberg Conservation Commission uh by the uh the request of the grtor. Uh so we we should have visibility to what what it is um you know month over

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month. Uh and you know we are chartered also with ensuring that it's being used for conservation commission um purpose right which it sounds like right now we have absolutely no idea. >> Correct. >> Yeah I am in complete agreement and I

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think when I met with the town manager and Bob Peas she said that she was going to start sending over those account um she said that she gets statements um over to me. Um, so I will just send her

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a little nudge to remind her so that we can kind of see where we're all at with um, >> but it seems like she shouldn't even have to do that. It seems like it should be in Munis and it the bank notices should go to finance or whoever posts

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the accounts to Munis and and then it should be visible to you through Munas, >> right? I agree with that. you know, this other thing seems like it's some kind of manual sort of workound something, but the transparency should be all the funds should be visible in Munist.

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>> Yeah, I agree. I >> And I mean, I'm not honestly I I you know, it occurs to me that it could sound like I'm just a paragon, the town manager, and she's had a hell of a lot of crap to go through to keep the town running over the past year. Um, so it

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could just be that this, you know, was least of her worries because we haven't come to her and said, "Oh my god, the sky is falling because we don't have this money." And I I certainly could understand that. But it seems like it's time to, you know, we're past the town meeting. Seems like we ought to start

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getting some of this, you know, other lower priority stuff sorted out. I think that we now have a finance director who is taking over the role of um actually putting in process and procedures that probably weren't implemented in the past. So I know that

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we're we're in the path of the right we're in the right direction. We're walking towards there. So I think it's you know Yes. >> So >> um >> I had an email not that long ago. I mean, I was okay Decemberish

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where they gave me the the balance of that Sean Kelly fund, but I can't find it now. Um, but it was like pulling teeth to get that and just to make sure that it was still out there somewhere. >> Yeah, I've heard it's a significant

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amount of money. But um >> yeah, >> I will definitely be working at getting that either on Munis, finding out why we can't get it on Munis if we can't and then um like Mary said, just if we have access to our funds, we can actually know what's happening with them. I just

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a little bit of transparency for me is also key. Um but if you want to start with the Hollis road. Um >> all right. So, for fiscal year 26, which runs from uh July 1st of 2025 to June

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30th of 2026, which is soon coming, uh these are the it's not a detailed expenses. If anybody wants a detailed expense report, I can definitely get that to you. But I was trying to put this together. It's been a very hectic week this week. Um

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and basically we have um the prior fund balance for this account, excuse me, which is the previous year uh 2025 and then the changes in the fund which is expenses of things that we paid for and then the actual current balance as of

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today. Okay, that is um the >> 272654, >> right? And um the reason I did this is because I want to use that revised fund balance to establish the budget for 2027

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for each account. And establishing a budget just lets us use that money. If we establish the budget at 27,000 uh 2654, then that's how much money we can potentially use next year from this account. >> Okay. So, last year I think we divided

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it up to purchase of service at $10,000 and then just put the remainder >> to the maintenance of grounds. >> Mhm. >> Do we want to do the same thing this year? Anyone have any feelings either way?

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It >> seemed to work out for us last year. We saved within >> It looks like you from last year there's still $7,000 available for that. >> Yeah, >> Madame Chair. >> Yes. >> Uh just an FYI, um

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last year that money may have been uh okay given that we were we were receiving income from the custodian. correct on that account. >> Yeah. But and sorry, go ahead.

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>> Uh so we've had six months of no income. So um and plus we're finding out that you know we may have additional expenses. >> Yep. >> That may exceed $10,000. Um so

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>> so we'd be making the whole thing available. >> Okay. Um 10,000 would go to the account 15192 and then the rest would go to 15 Oh, they're both 15192. Um the sub account for purchase of

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service would be 10,000 if we went that way. And then the sub account for the maintenance of grounds superintendent maybe um would be like the remaining. So all of the funds would be available to us. it wouldn't be.

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>> So, we're not limiting ourselves by Okay, that's all I wanted to know. Thank you, Madam Chair. >> Yep. Do we have any questions or comments about setting budgets here? So this is our budget for the year that

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was granted by the town budget and we have additional funds that we are not aware of how much that is that the town manager is overseeing. >> So this is one of our accounts in um our

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we have a couple of accounts in the the town budget. This and this is munus. This is like the system. So this is the hollis road revolving budget. So this is money specifically for the property that the pollinator habitat is on and the

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home that we used to have a custodian at. So, most of this money, I would say probably all of this money came in from the um custodian funds that we received and they all went into this account and

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then we use this account for maintenance at the um the residence >> at that property. >> Thank you. And so this this is just one fund that we're going to be looking at. And we have to the town makes us there since there's two um sub accounts in

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here. We need to divide it up into what we want to set as our budgets for these two sub accounts. And then one is purchase of service, which I think would be I guess like you know Mike had a um a

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quote for the cleaning. I think that would probably go under services maybe. I mean, maintenance of ground superintendent though. I feel like that kind of goes to the home repair. So, I don't know. Maybe that. I don't really know. Oh, purchasing service is probably

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the stuff at Mackie. I'm guessing like the things that we maybe we buy. I don't know. I don't know how we divy that up and decide what goes to what. >> Probably Home Depot as well. >> Okay. Yeah. Um it does usually I would think I would think of that as not

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purchase of service though. >> Okay. >> Um but that is I don't see anything for a Home Depot unless that goes under maintenance. But Harlland, you had your hand up. Help me out here if you have >> I don't know for purchase of services. I imagine it's something that we need for

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um when you subcontract somebody to do something for the house and then I think the maintenance of the grounds is just general maintenance. I imagine like you need to buy something new for the property to maintain it and keep it at, you know. Um my hand was up because I would like for the commission to

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actually vote on the fiscal year um 27 budget. So if after every piece we can vote on the appropriation and allocation of funds. >> Okay. >> Please. >> Um yes. So I was thinking we can vote for the allocation on this fund right

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now, right? Is that what you're saying? >> Yes. >> Yeah, that was what I was hoping to get to. >> So, does anyone have any issues with us establishing 10,000 for the purchase of service and then 17,2654 for the maintenance of grounds?

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>> I'll make a motion to approve. >> Second. >> Okay. Um, why did I just go to Oaka? That was weird. Okay. Uh, roll call. Uh, I was used to having it right in front of me. Um, Teddy Ducet, >> I.

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>> Mary Wilson, >> I. >> Andrea Bernett, >> I. >> Mike Larouche, >> I >> and I for myself. All right, one down. Timberesights. Um, in timber rights last year, it looks

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like we put a,000 to purchase or service and 9,000 to supplies. And that is because I believe the town limited us to a $10,000 um budget. Is that still a thing, Carolyn?

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>> Yes, that is procurement law. Anything over $10,000 has to go out to bid and then prevailing wages come into place. >> Okay. So, do we want to stick with uh it looks like we have 40,000 in this fund. So, we want to stick with 1,000 for

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purchase of service and 9,000 for supplies for the upcoming fiscal year. >> So, moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Does anyone have any questions about that before I do a roll call vote?

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>> Well, or >> So, this will be for the fiscal year. Yeah. So, the thing that I'm thinking about, Jenny, is you and I applied for grants to start the actual

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execution work on the um on the parking areas that, you know, our consultant has, you know, done the done the prep work on, right, for Table Rock and for for Reo. And if we get that

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those grants, we have the benefit of receiving those grants, then we would need to provide matching funds. And matching funds, I think, would come out of this. >> Yes. >> Uh and matching funds, I think we had

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the way we had forecasted would exceed more than $10,000 a year. >> Yeah. >> We have two years to execute on the grants, right? Yeah, I mean it's we we don't we won't it sounds like you know from my conversation with the grant administrator today we won't know

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possibly for a couple of months whether we get it or not but shouldn't we allocate at least enough funds to cover those grants >> yeah and that was 15,000 per grant right >> so yeah

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>> so um her hurlin if we are you know the I I guess the majority of what we use this fund for is for um grants or things that are happening at the you know conservation properties

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>> conservation conservation property uh improvements and maintenance. >> Yeah. Is there is this a rule that we have to follow it because I don't think I don't see us needing anything that we would put out to bid that would be over

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$10,000 for what we use this fund for. >> It would be for services provided. So, uh, the $10,000 cap is only for services. >> Okay. Okay. So, we could put a $10,000 cap on services >> and then put the rest to supplies. >> Yes.

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>> Okay. Um, I think that seems Does that sound good to you, Mary? If I were to >> say 10,000, we could say 10,000 for purchase of service and then 30,32911 for supplies. Yeah, I think that's probably good because if we were going out to bid for

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services, we wouldn't be in a position to execute on that likely in the first half of or in the second half of the fiscal year anyway, right? Because we're probably not even going to have the contract until January, which means then we'd

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have to put together RFQS, get those circulated, bring them back. Yeah. So, I think I think we're fine doing it that way. >> Okay. Or do we want to even go a little bit lower on purchase of service and then put a little bit more into supplies? >> No, I I think I think that's I think the

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way you proposed it before is fine. >> Okay. So, um 10,000 for purchase of services and then the remainder of $30,329.11 in supplies. Uh do we have a motion? So moved.

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Do >> I have a second? Second. >> Okay. Uh, roll call vote. Teddy Det. >> I. >> Barry Wilson. >> Hi. >> Andrea Bernat. >> Hi.

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>> Mike Larouche. >> Hi. >> And I for myself. And also I just wanted to say the Timber Rights Fund in case anybody doesn't know. Sorry. I didn't know. Um, my sorry my husband is making so much noise in the background. Um the

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timberites is the fund that is funded by um forestry at the conservation land. I think that's the only place that this um this fund is receiving funds from unless

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anyone has to has anything else to say about that. Just so everybody knows where those funds come from. >> Yeah. which means they're not they're not inexhaustible and they're not autorenewing, >> right? Cuz we can't we don't do forestry every,

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you know, 6 months or there's a there's a big time between how often you can do timber harvesting. Um, okay. Up next, wetland by Lafies. So

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these are the um funds that we have collected from our permitting. >> Correct. >> And do we need we don't need to establish anything for this one do we or is this just for our

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>> you can establish a budget. So these funds can be used for anything in the benefit of conservation. >> Okay. So, I mean, it would make the most sense to establish a budget for the entire fund balance >> or even half or I mean, if you've never

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used the funds before, let's not get too wild. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, we we never used the funds before, nor have we had visibility to those funds before. my uh

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in my naive naivity, I thought that the previous town manager was recouping these funds and applying them towards the personnel budget. And I I know they didn't balance out, right? But it's

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better to have some funding towards a personnel budget than zero funding towards a personnel budget. But I don't know >> um under the wetlands protection act I'm not sure if that is correct. So these funds if it could cover it would have to

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solely cover my uh salary and nothing else. um if they if they were allocating those funds towards that um it's an account

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that is controlled by the commission only. So the funds that go to the town are fees for violations that goes into the town's revolving fund. Anything else is

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the commissions. So these funds can be used for anything in the benefit of COCOM. In previous um places of employment, you can use them to put together flyers for conservation. Um we

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used to do like new homeowner flyers like hey you live you bought a house, there's a wetland behind you. I think we went over this. Do you remember the flyers that you guys had? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, this would be this would be like a fund that you would use to purchase or

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print out more flyers or that this >> that would be great. >> Yeah, that's exactly what you would use this for. You could use it for flyers. You could use it for putting together an event um for anything that you wanted to that was in the benefits of conservation, you know, without

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obviously being too egregious. you know, we're not uh going to buy pizza for everybody with it, but we can definitely use it for things in the benefits of conservation. >> Okay. Um what would you recommend

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setting a budget sitting for? saying a number >> um because we don't have a structured fee schedule that is reflective of um surrounding towns. I think maybe half of it now just in case um and we see where

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that goes. Uh, speaking of the future, I have put together goals and objectives for myself in this role and one of the things that I would like to do is a guided hike once a week or once a month. And >> Oh, that's something that I would like to use some of those funds for. Putting

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out a flyer, putting together maybe a liability waiver and setting up something where people can go. And so half of it would be great to start off with. I wouldn't be using all of it, just a small amount if that. Um,

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but I think maybe half to start off with. >> Okay. Um, so that would be about 9350. So, um, if we were to just set the budget, say 9350. >> Yeah, that's >> and then have the remainder be the 935316.

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Um, but we just say the budget is 9350. So nobody cares what the remainder is anyway. >> Make a motion that we allocate 90 >> say 9350 >> or the what do we call this fund? >> The wetlands protection bylaw fees fund.

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>> Okay. Yeah. I make a motion that it be 9350. >> Second. >> Do I second? All right. Uh roll call vote. Mary Wilson >> I. >> Teddy Dette. >> I. >> Andrea Bernap >> I. Mike Larouche >> I

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>> and I for myself. Okay. Um and then the last one is the Mass Trails Grant which is a little bit different because it has expenses and revenue. >> Right? So this we don't have to set a

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budget for. I just wanted to give you guys um an overview of what it looks like on Munis or what is reflective as prior fund balance, the changes and then the revised fund balance. Um but I think that um this is something that I have to

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work through with both Mary and Commissioner Wilson and the finance director so that we can kind of get it sorted out. Excuse me. So it looks like we've purchased um 13,548 out of 29530

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is there. And so for incumbrances, we have no idea what that is. Oh no, that's the is that the portion that we are planning for the outstanding grants? >> No, I think that's from I think that's from last year.

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>> Okay. Well, we do have a grant from last year. I don't know if they're thinking that, you know, was that right about the amount that you had. I guess I want to say encumbered, Mary, for that grant that we're working on now. Um,

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yeah, I I I think that's pretty close. uh because I think the total total request was 61,000 right so 20% would have been around 20

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something though >> 15 no yeah 25% would have been 15 >> um >> huh yeah it's hard to see what I mean it looks like revenue um would be I think I would guess what

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we've taken in right what they've given us. >> Well, then there was that whole thing about the matching funds getting funded by ARPA too. >> Yeah. And then we still we still haven't figured out that um

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if that's an issue or not. Right. >> Funds. >> Yeah. So we we had uh you know uh submitted the grant proposals right with the 20% matching allocated by the commission to uh come out of timber

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rights uh but then the town had some ARPA funds that they were not able to distribute. So, uh, Bob, who is then still on the commission, went to the select board and requested that those ARPA funds be allocated to conservation,

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uh, to support the matching funds. And that was approved, uh, voted on and approved by the select board. But then, um, when Jen uh, came into office as town manager, she had communicated with Jenny that

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there might be uh, an issue there. I don't know that we ever got a confirmation that there was an issue there. Uh but that's you know in my mind that's a question but you know and a big question to get answered.

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So both the town manager and Bob Peas and myself met in regards to this and okay I think the funds from ARPA were allocated because right now um when we met with when I met with all of them there was $100 left on the ARPA funds

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for this grant and she and Bob had said it's all done because the problem with ARPA funds is funds had to be used by the end of fiscal year 2025 sorry by December in fiscal year 2025, which was not this past December, but

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the previous December, and any other monies you had left over had to either be refunded back or um put into the general fund. So, we agreed that we were going to put those $100 back into the general fund.

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Does any of this make sense to anybody? >> Well, the thing that I don't understand from a mechanics of the budget kind of perspective, right? Okay. So, allocating the ARPA funds, but because the grant had not yet

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I think not yet consumed those funds, does that mean that they just all went away? >> It means >> that's what I don't understand. Um, it means that we can't use them for that anymore. >> Okay.

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>> So, if you got an invoice today for those $100, we wouldn't be able to use those $100 to pay for that invoice. >> Just the $100. >> Yeah. For the Yeah, just $100. That's all we had left in the ARPA funds was

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$100. $101.35. So, I think we need clarification from Mr. P's as to everything financial and he's away. I was supposed to sit down with him again. >> Um, so >> I think I might have figured some stuff

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out. So the 28,63907 was the matching funds um that we received uh in 10:15 2025 from DCR. >> Okay.

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>> Uh I have an email from from Ezekiel Ayala to Mary Bob, myself and Mileen Mari. I don't think she's is she with the town anymore? >> Yes, she is. It shows they they were trying to figure out where this

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reimbursement should go and um yeah and Mary I applied for a partial reimbursement for our mass RTP grant for the amount of 28,639 um and then the matching fund supported by the town of the ARPA funding was 715977.

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So that 28,639 is us receiving the revenue from the grants the matching funds and then so is the 15,90 does that become

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net of revenues expenses? >> You know Jenny what you were just were you just reading something or were you doing math in your head? I was reading your an email actually that you wrote to Ezekiel from October 14th, 2025. >> You share it with us?

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>> Oh, yeah. I was reading it on my phone cuz I didn't want to take over my screen. See if I spell Ezekiel right. So, it was uh let's go this way. I hate how they try

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to put things at the top to suggest them to you. Here we go. So, it looks like you were looking for the grants um funds and then Ezekiel found it. This was year.

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Hi, Ezekiel applied for a partial reimbursement from the Mass RTP grant for the amount of 28,63907 as of June 2025. Have we received that reimbursement from the state yet? matching fund supported by the town out of ARPA funding was for 715977

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and um Bob thanked you for copying him and then Ezekiel got back to us and um >> so he only confirmed that he had received the payment from the from the state. >> Yeah.

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>> So we don't know where the 71 >> Yeah. >> 100 came from. So, and >> and I think one of the things that I don't know, you know, about municipal government and the way their balance sheets work, right, and particularly

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with like ARPA grants and funding, when we uh sign the contracts with the with the consultant, the town had the obligation to satisfy those consultants, you know, that that financial obligation

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even though it hadn't been built yet. Could the town have allocated the ARPA funds out of that or would the ARPA funds have only been uh allocated out of the you know an actual invoice payment?

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That's something that I I don't know. >> I think we should know. >> Yeah. And because to me it's weird that there was somehow just $100 left out of our our ARPA allocation. Even though at the time that that went, you know, Herm

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was saying that that went away, we hadn't received any invoices yet, but we had but we had received um um you know, we had signed the contracts. I think there's a lot we got to know

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here, but I I think the way we're probably not going to resolve it tonight. Probably just got to all sit down together with um Bob's balance sheet and kind of go through where we think things have have come from and see if we can figure it out. >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. Yeah. >> Okay. We don't need to set a budget here anyway. So, >> no. Yeah. And I think having things reflected on Munis properly is what the finance director is really working hard at right now. Um because I know some of these numbers are skewed in other ways,

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not just ours. >> I do want to say that this is the best thing I've seen as far as a budget goes since I have been on commission. So there's that. I don't know about before me how things were, but um this is this is definitely a step in the right

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direction. at least knowing what's there. 80% of what's there, maybe 70. Okay. All right. So, does anyone have any other comments or

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questions about budget? No. Okay. Um, will we set our budgets as best we could? And I think we can move on from that now. Okay. Um, we don't have any encroachment

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issues. Uh, Hollis Road residents. Um, we did have a report of ATV use in the Hollis area. So behind Oh, Mary, >> do we know we don't have any encroachment issues?

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>> Oh, that's true. Well, we don't have any on the agenda, but that's an excellent point. >> Okay. >> Um, >> I just want to make certain that the record, you know, is not >> Yes. >> Miss representative, I think we've lost track of the encrossment issues is what I had understood the last

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>> status to be. >> Indicated at the last meeting that her and that she and Bob are looking at a list. Okay. >> And uh right, Herlin, >> correct? Yep. I'm just waiting for him to get back. >> Okay. Awesome.

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>> All right. Um Okay. Yeah. So, we should have Stephan encroachments on the agenda at some point, just not yet tonight. Um Okay. So, Hollis residents, we had reports of ATV

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going through the area through the pollinator habitat and some of that area. behind the Hollis residence. We um I let Herlin know and Mike was able to very quickly he got some signs and put

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them out there. So, I want to say thank you to Mike for that. Um I know that Herllin said we also have signs in the office that she thinks that Mary may have had printed at some point in the past. >> No, I think Bob uh probably had those printed, but yeah, there should be some

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in the office. Okay. Yep. So, we also have some in the office if more are needed. Um, I do see that Jenny is on. I'm not sure if she has anything that she this is what she's on for or if she has anything that she wants to add. Jenny is the founder of

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the pollinator habitat is how would refer to her maybe. I'm assuming it's that Jenny. Mike, were you going to say something? >> Yeah. I just wanted to say that after I was on that chain and realized, you know, that we probably should act

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quickly and fortunately, uh, Hurland did, um, text me back saying that they were signed. So, I was able to put up four, um, no ATV signs, which had been

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in the office. I think I guess Mary or Bob, whomever, to have made these. So, um I I didn't want to um put it on the big butterfly sign, I thought. But as

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you enter the road to park on a large tree, I was able to display a no ATV sign and uh also an uh another ATV or no ATV sign at the post where there was

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another uh sign uh posted. So, as you go into the habitat, so you if you didn't see it at the beginning, you definitely had to see it going into the habitat. And I

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also had an extra sign uh that I put on the shed. Um, so if you went in through that uh direction, you would see a sign there because I think there was reports

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that the ATV did go by the shed on Hollis Road. And I also put one on the lower kiosk so it wouldn't overpower the um the signage that we want people to

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read about the pollinator habitat. It was in the corner um at the bottom of the kiosk. So, you know, it's definitely there, but it wasn't the main focus of the kiosk. And we also got a wetlands protection

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area, do not disturb sign uh added as well to uh as you go into the pollinator habitat once you've parked your car, you would have to see the sign and it gives

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the conservation commission and the phone number. So, if you wanted to question um you know, why can't I ride my ATV? Well, you can call the number. We'll tell you it's not permitted. So, those are the four no ATV signs and the

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one wetlands protection area sign um with the do not disturb. Um so hopefully uh that will do it. I haven't heard of any other incidents um of that encroachment

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and uh so we'll wait and see. And there was no damage as far as I know. I mean, they may have gone through some fields in back of Hollis Road where, you know, I've only mowed the front and part of

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the back, but this is like, I believe, toward the back where there's some very tall grass. And I think Jen, our photographer, kind of talked with the person and saying, "You may not want to go in there given you can't see what's

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on the bottom." Uh so apparently the person was thankful that got he got the warning uh but was was made clear that they ought not to be atving on this property.

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>> Right. Uh thank you so much, Mike. I actually was out there yesterday. I think I went yesterday to do some watering and I saw the signs and >> I noticed them. Yes, they were very they were noticeable, I think. Very prominent, but not too prominent to

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overpower stuff, but they were definitely noticeable. >> Thank you for doing that. I really And thank you, Herlin, for, you know, getting together with Mike and getting that done so quickly. Um

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also um as far as the Hollis residents, I know you had provided us with a quote for cleaners and we had approved it. I don't know what is the next >> step. we have scheduled. I was given

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word that it would be best if the cleaning could take place in the new fiscal year versus in the uh closing of the fiscal year. So, we have scheduled VODA cleaning to come in on Monday

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uh July 6th and 7th to do their cleaning. >> Okay. and I will be there to open doors to make sure, you know, water is available and electricity uh is available and um

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I'll probably be there in the next day or so uh and check all those other items. Um plus it's time to mow the lawn again. >> Okay. Thank you, Mike. >> Okay. um for taking care of that. Uh

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Chris Ruth sent out a list of work needed. Um I don't know if I'm going to put that up on the screen just because >> Oh, yep. >> Do you really want to go through that this evening? Uh >> I No, I don't think I'm trying to just call everybody's attention to it.

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>> Okay. I do you want to go through it through it >> and I'm not sure if that's something we want to just do together but you're the chairperson. >> I don't I'm I'm open to suggestions. I don't know that I love the idea

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of throwing up everything that might be wrong with the property. >> Right. >> That's what I'm saying. >> Yeah. Not that there's anything wrong. You know what I mean? We don't need to throw up a list of >> Well, there's a lot of right things in that list as well. So uh but in lie I

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was going to ask Herurland if she had a chance to schedule uh her meeting with the attorney um visav um a new uh custodial agreement.

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And I know there was some time on um on Thursday whether or not those were times that you were planning on meeting with um the attorney regarding that. Um, so

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I wanted to and then I was advised that we should set up a meeting between the town manager and possibly the chair and maybe you, Mike. Commissioner,

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>> glad to to attend. >> I have asked for some time and I'm just waiting to hear back. Um there seems to be conflicting opinions on

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this property um with regards to moving forward with a custodian and I am not wellversed in the whole gist of how things run. um she doesn't seem to be fond of having someone reside there again and fixing

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the house. >> And I think that's something the town manager and I think that's something that needs to be discussed between the commission and her. >> Aren't we bound by the gift that was given to the conservation commission

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that we maintain this property? Is she aware of? >> I don't know what she I I to be honest, I was a little unprepared to have that conversation

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with her. >> Okay. >> At the time. Um if I can be fully transparent, I was not ready to sit down with her. We were in the middle of other meetings and this just came up briefly and I said, you know, this is a conversation that you need to have with the commission. If this is the way you

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feel, I think it should be relayed to them. by you. Um and then we should kind of read or in depth go through what the stipulations are to is it a restriction to the um con um custodian or what the

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commission is bound by and she said okay >> okay yeah I think that we should >> meet uh >> at any time uh just give me some notice and I'll be glad to

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confirm a time to meet. >> Okay. Yeah, I reached out to I think her executive assistant for some time and I'm waiting to hear back. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Um yeah, just let me know you

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want to meet. Um I just need a little lead time cuz so I can put it on my calendar. Uh, okay. I think we can move on from the Hollis property for now. Um,

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committee reports. Teddy master plan. Anything? >> Uh, no new updates. Still waiting to hear back about updates. Um, real quick, Jenny, did you go over the invasive plant talk at the beginning of the meeting? >> I did. >> Okay, great. Thank you. Yes.

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>> Um I just gave an update of what you know Lisa is looking to do and um you know the thing about the library having a talk at the library uh using social media to advertise it. Um, I actually talked to

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Renee Mken at the select board because I was wondering what the uh plan with social media is and she let me know that people in the offices are helping out with social media and Herlin is going to be helping out with social

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media which she did at her last job. So, she'll be able to put up any thing that we want to, you know, say talk about with it so we can get it advertised when we're looking to get it done. Um, and that we'd have to stick with manual

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removal for this year. Do you have anything else you want to add? >> Uh, no, that sounds good. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Um, Open Space, Andrea, I think I know your update for open space.

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>> Yeah, I'm sorry to say I missed the meeting and I promise to do better next month. It happens to the best of us, especially these meetings that don't meet regularly. I think it's a lot easier to make it to conservation because it's like first and third Wednesday, first

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and third Wednesday. And uh but storm water's like all over the place. I'm always like, "Oh man, I have storm water tonight." So um and I've missed storm water by accident. So um it would be very awkward if I missed conservation though. Okay, storm water.

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We are meeting actually the 24th. We have not met since the last meeting. So I have no updates there. >> Do we have any communications public comment? >> Oh, I do. >> Oh, okay. >> Um and I just don't know. We used to um

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have like kind of a routine conservation commission kind of area for updates and and we don't have that anymore, so I don't know where else to put it. Um yeah, so uh we've had a lot of uh we had a lot of NHS students um you know we did

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the project and Table Rock uh for uh kind of Earth Day. It wasn't on Earth Day. It was on the following uh Saturday. Uh and then we had a lot of uh NHS students who were not able to attend because it was the school break and their families were away. So, we had a

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lot of NHS students volunteer uh and they did um you know some trail maintenance down at Cry at the uh Towns and Harbor um entrance. Uh they went out and picked up uh you know trash at uh

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about uh eight of the trail heads across town and then uh also did uh some additional trail marking in um three properties that I knew needed some enhancements. Um, so we really appreciate the, you know, Lunberg High

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School National Honor Society coming and and helping out with the various projects that we have. Um, right now I have, uh, some Eagle Scouts that are reaching out and asking for uh,

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so a project lists to uh, pick from. Um, I've gotten input from Bob. Uh and so one of the things we've identified is there are a couple of kiosk uh trail major trail entrances that don't have trail head kiosk. Uh so I have that on

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the list. I know the bridge at Hunting Hills uh desperately needs attention. Um, we also identified uh Jenny um with your help that there's a if we get the grant funding that we put in for for

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Mass Trails, there is uh wetland uh replication uh labor that would be required at Table Rock. That's an opportunity. Um there are at the Raino property where we have a permit to put in a trail head and provide safe access.

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uh we would have to get in there and actually create some trails uh maybe put in some water crossings, bridges and whatnot. Um so I identified that uh you know one of the things I would like to see in Reo is uh maybe a couple of

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wildlife viewing platforms and um you know one or two ADA accessible trails that meet the ADA accessibility uh trail guidelines. Um so I mean that's on the list. Um Bob Bob Bob kind of

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thought that that uh might be something that we would have to put in some um for a grant and you know and the challenge about funding that through grant is um you know we might not be able to get an Eagle Scout to do it because those kids tend to want to you know plan something

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in the summer and have it completed the following summer and grant cycles tend to go on three-year cycles right from application to final. um reimbursement. Uh but anyway, I just wanted to throw that out to everybody and make certain

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they had visibility to it. Um one other item, Jenny, that you and I uh had come up with is a couple of years ago there had been a uh violation uh on town property at Zero Reservoir Road, which

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is the town um parcel that abuts Lake Shirley. And this was specifically uh right across the street from 40 Fire Road 12. Um if I could share um just to kind of reacquaint everybody with this

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>> parcel. Um Okay. Can everybody see the GIS map? >> Yes. >> Okay. So this is Fire Road 12. This parcel is owned by the town and this area which has now been, you can see

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it's been planted back with seed. You can even see the barrier boulders that DPW put there to keep people from going back. And Herllin, for your benefit, and and maybe for Andrea and Teddy's um benefit, um one of the residents had

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gone in and and cleared this area and paved it and you know, put a whole bunch of uh his uh household uh property on it. Uh so that that encroachment has been cleared up but uh you know I was thinking uh that it would be nice you

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know even better if we went back and actually you know seated it with natives maybe put some you know native dogwoods in there or something like that to really discourage people from uh wanting to reclaim this back. Uh now this town

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property is not under the care and control of conservation. So, I think we would have to go get permission from the um from the select board, you know, before uh before granting um you know, or asking a Eagle Scout could to go do

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that, but this is something that I thought might be a nice thing to do. I don't know how how others feel about that. >> I definitely agree with that. I have a question though. is this property this property is the parcel ID is Zero

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Reservoir Road. I mean the partial address >> because there uh >> is there was there's an ANR >> on >> really >> zero reservoir road >> um in open gov

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um >> well I mean this is the tax uh you know this is the Lunberg tax GIS right it says zero Shirley Reservoir road >> okay I mean I wonder if I think there's one I think there's zero Shirley Reservoir and I think there's zero

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reserv reservoir. Um Herine, you have your hand up. >> Yeah. The other ANR is for a different parcel. The ANR for the zero reservoir road is for the lot that's across from the entrance of Round Road.

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>> That would be just uh down here. There's Round Road. These parcels. >> Yes. >> Cuz these just got subdivided, right? >> Yes. That's the ANR. That's also Zero Reservoir. If you click on any of those, I think they might have just gotten numbers like 944, 942, but yes, Zero

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Reservoir Road right there. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. The one I'm talking about is up here >> and it says Zero Shirley Reservoir Road, but I mean the road that they're on is

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Reservoir Road. >> Yeah. >> Who knows? But anyway, this is this is the parcel, right? >> I was just trying to picture anybody developed there and I was getting confused. >> No. Yeah. Well, it's owned by the town, so >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. Sorry. >> Anyway, Hurlin, what are your thoughts about that? >> I think that's a great idea, and it doesn't always have to be like a structured project. It could be something like this for the Eagle Scouts. Um, I think it's a great idea.

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I think, you know, one of the things I try to think about for them is I think with their Eagle Scout criteria they're supposed to come up with a project, you know, do the planning, do the, you know, budget, do the execution, go through whatever the approvals are, right, and

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whatnot. And so that most of those things come easier with a implementation project than a trail maintenance project, you know? So, I was trying to think of something that they could could really kind of hit their metrics and and uh you know, do

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well do well on u and and this one I thought this one the building the kiosk you know also you know uh hits it but this is one I'd really like to see done and and uh Herurlin do you think that I

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the best place to start uh for asking for permission or at least getting like the nod of you So, if we approached the town and said, "Hey, could could we work with an Eagle Scout to do this?" Would it be to go to the select board? What do you think?

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>> Is it Conscom property? >> No, it's not. It's town owned property. It's not Yes. >> Right. >> I think it would be the select board. I think putting out um just a hey, you know, we're wanting to do this. I'm not sure that it'll take

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much other than like a formal presentation to them. I think they they would be open to having something like this done. >> Okay. I can uh I can uh go ahead and socialize it and see, you know, if Renee uh who's the current chair wants me to

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do any type of preliminary something or if I can just kind of, you know, put the concept out there and then leave any formal, you know, approval uh and presentation to an Eagle Scout if we can get one of them to grab hold of it. Uh I

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leave it to that. Mike, you have your hand up. >> Uh, yes, Madam Chair. Um we were we had an eagle scout project at the pollinator habitat if you remember last year

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>> and um I saw the application and it's pretty extensive for the Eagle Scout to uh but I remember on one of the things or it was stipulated that that they had to provide the fundraising for the

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project. Um, so how would that fit in with this project here, Mary? Um, or is this >> Well, their their fundraising can be as simple as the you know, they asked the conservation for commission for funding

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and we said yes, which we have done on a number of the kiosks. >> Okay. >> And and so in in this regard, right, they could ask us for funding. We could also maybe point them to some friendly, you know, people across the community to maybe ask for seeds, ask for maybe

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training on how to do, you know, native um sewing and when to do it and whatnot. So, it could be it could be a number take a number of different uh venues, I think, or avenues. >> Okay. >> Okay, cool. I just wanted to socialize

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that with you guys. If you can think of any other projects or anything that you think should be on our kind of our dream list, right, of of improvements and particularly things that are more of a project nature and less of a, you know,

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uh maintenance kind of nature that that these because we do have good engagement from the Eagle Scouts. Um so, you know, the more we can find things for them to do, I think the easier it'll be for them to continue to approach us with those ask. Uh, but yeah, I I'd love to have a

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really long list dream sheet for them to kind of come and pick from. So, thank you. >> All right. Thank you, Mary. Um, and then as far as the agenda, um,

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having a spot for things like that, I guess, could we could we use updates for that or do you think we should add something to the because the new business updates, would that fit there, you think? or should we add something for stuff like that for the for subsequent agendas?

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>> I think on the new updates um we can add a subsection from like uh under new business and updates we can do something uh I'm trying to think there's there's we used to have in another municipality I worked at like commissioner comments

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or commissioner updates too. >> We can add something like that to it. >> I feel like we used to have that. I don't know where it went. >> Yeah, we used we used to have um in the it wasn't under committee reports but it

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was you know sort of kind of more in that area. It was like conservation property updates or something of that nature and we and we would talk about grants there and you know trail work and trail projects and whatnot >> that but to be fair we didn't have it

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for long like you know I came up with I'm like oh hey we probably ought to be doing a better job of making this visible right and then we added it and then you know it was there for six months and then went away. >> Yeah. Okay. Um, I wanted to say I meant to say

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it while he was still on, but um, Brad Coons was on the call again tonight. I don't know if anybody noticed that. He has since dropped off, but he did sit through almost an entire meeting, and as far as I know, he is moving forward with an application to become a full

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commissioner. >> Awesome. >> So, um, and he's been already sat through three meetings now. I'm going to reach out to him in the morning, um, just to say sorry I didn't acknowledge him. uh as being on the meeting tonight. He's not obviously he hasn't he hasn't filled out an application yet or he did

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just reach out to Melissa. Um and I know they just did appointments the other night. Richard was reappointed. >> Um >> he is he should be hopefully able to get sworn in before the next meeting. Um he is out on his vote for a

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week or two. Um so Richard's reappointed. We did not have any new appointments um because I wasn't I was actually sent two people like right before they were doing appointments but their applications were really old and comm conservation commission was like

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last on their choices so they ended up being appointed somewhere else but um I have spoken to Brad and then I haven't seen any other applications come across so we may be able to fill that slot at some point soon though that would be nice especially somebody who's been able

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to sit through a classes already, three meetings already. That's uh pretty um impressive. So, >> feats of endurance. >> Yes, exactly. Um at that, do we have

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anything else that we need to discuss before uh next meeting is on July 1st, 2026 at 7:00 on Zoom. Do we have anything else we need to discuss before we adjurnn?

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All right, I think I'd be looking for a motion to adjurnn. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All right, roll call vote. Mary Wilson >> I. >> Mike Larouche. >> I. >> Andrea Bernab. >> I. >> Teddy Dad. >> I.

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>> And I for myself. Thank you so much everyone. Have a good night. >> Have a good night everybody. Good night.