okay so we have a quorum so I'm going to start the meeting now in accordance with the requirements of the open meetings law please be advised that this meeting is being audio video recorded the agenda lists all of the topics which may be discussed at the meeting and are those reasonably anticipated by the chair Vice chair votes may be taken as a result of these discussions not all items listed may be May in fact be discussed and other items not listed may also be brought up for discussion to the extent permitted by the open meeting law please address all
comments to the vice chair this meeting of the Conservation Commission will be held by the zoom at the link provided on this notice I'm not going to read the zoom link because we've already here um so I will start with a roll call uh so Richard Bur present Jeffrey vivano present Michael larouche
present uh Chris St Germaine is not present and Mary Wilson is not present um so next we would go to announcements I think we do have an I have an announcement which is that we had a new commissioner confirmed last night at the select board meeting his name is Pete Stella I have not seen him try to enter so I'm not sure if he was sworn in or not um but I'm assuming
he'll be at the next meeting if he's not here tonight what was his name Jennifer Pete Stella or Peter Stella thank you so I think that he did say that when the pollinator habitat needed to be mowed that he had reached out and offered to Mo I'm not sure who he spoke to about that so next is public comment comments are to be limited to three minutes and on a subject matter under the Director D of
the commission comments about current agend comments about current agenda items are to be made during the comment period of the specific agenda item please address all comments to the vice chair do we have any public comments doesn't look like it um so I wanted to I had I was looking through the agenda today and for 67
Island Road which I see that the applicant is on I don't see it on the agenda and I was wondering if that was on purpose or if we had planned on moving it to at the last meeting the Melissa canbino is on right now um we had planned on having her here this week but it's not on the agenda and I don't
want her to have to sit here and find out that we won't be able to hear it if we we can't hear it if it's not on the agenda um Sophie did she ask to continue no that was it seems like an oversight they should have definitely been on the agenda I even gone last week um to go visit and follow up and everything so I don't know what we can do about that if anything for the time being tonight
um yeah unfortunately we can't hear it if it's not on the agenda is my understanding so um Melissa are you there yes I didn't know if I needed to be in the public comment or make a motion to um talk but I thought um the last time I had heard from the chairwoman that I had to have everything in by this week um and we did that and we met with Sophia and I thought this week was when in uh when we
need to have all of our um photos uploaded and everything and we did that and then we but then I didn't see us on the agenda for tonight but if we could somehow we can wait till the end whatever um so unfortunat yeah unfortunately because it's not on the agenda we can't hear it because of open meeting law I just I really AP apologize for that um so we have to put you on the agenda for the next meeting which would be February 19th
okay oh I'm sorry that that happened no that's fine I just wanted to know you to know that we got all our information in and that's that's okay okay thanks so much sorry about that thank you no problem thank you have a good night okay so um it doesn't look like we have any minutes to approve no there's there's no minutes we're pretty behind on
minutes okay so we'll move on to the new public hearings um one thing I wanted to note before we moved on to the new public hearings is the Contin the possible continued uh last minute oh okay yep so 32 Hemlock Drive they originally uh wanted to continue well
they wanted to be here but they couldn't be here the representative uh Greg Roy however I did draw it to their attention that we still haven't received um uh certified mailing receipts for the abutter notifications and it was brought to our attention that they need to read advertise because they did not no if fire Butters okay um so we want so they're looking to continue to February
19th um I don't believe that's possible because the deadline for submitting to The Ledger past okay it would be uh February March it would be a March date okay um um Jenny just technically if they did not not notify of Butters the hearing was improperly opened so I was just G to ask that continue it
so the next the next meeting that we have with them will technically be their first on this um application okay so we will just leave that one as is and not do anything with it no no if they have to read advertise if they didn't advertise it properly it wasn't prop ly opened the application wasn't complete so we couldn't open it so okay there's no no sense in continuing it because we have to reopen
it any we have to start from scratch okay okay thank you for that Richard thank okay so on to the First new public hearing um so pursuant to mgl chapter 131 section 40 as amended and the town of lunenberg wetlands protection and ipal bylaws a public hearing on a notice of intent by Daniel Sheen of Red Bird Construction for removal of an existing deck within the 50 Foot no build Zone
and 30 foot no touch zone of a bordering vegetated Wetland as well as construction of a two family dwelling within the 100 foot buffer zone of a bordering vegetated Wetland located at 213 Electric Avenue do we have the applicant in the meeting I am his representative Daniel Shen with Haley Ward okay um do you want to go tell us about the project sure uh if I could share my screen I think it might be easier
yep um we give you permission I give you permission for that right I believe so is the host yeah okay is not turned on I will send a request
okay and let's see here can you guys see that yep yes great um so the work itself here is going to be relatively straightforward so I might just kind of blow through this um but if you guys have any questions or concerns I'd be more than happy to answer them as we kind of continue here um so what you see here is you can see is it a can you hear me yep okay sorry I didn't see my mic popping up um so as you can see here this is
kind of part of a bigger uh scale but specifically for 213 electric a what we have here shown in green is after construction this is all the stuff that would be proposed to be in a vegetated state most likely grass um and what you see here in the the gray is uh the long driveway going to be paved withinus and then in this olive color here is going to be that multif family dwelling structure as well as a porch in the back or deck in the back um what we're showing on the side here is like a
excuse me a um Keystone diaphragm is going to be acting as a filter strip um we also have some rain Gardens that are proposed down here which I'll show on the next slide here this one's just a little bit easier with a lot clearer as was mentioned by Jenny um you can see there's existing wood deck here that's to be removed um I personally have not been to the site so I don't know state of it um but based on some area it does look like it's kind of been overrun by the vegetation within their surrounding area um we can talk about that later um
just kind to go to the other busier plan set here again this section here with my cursors if you guys can see that is 213 electric G um so the grading here actually does show that a lot of things kind of want to flow to this uh existing Wetland a bit further down on 221 and not so much into this isolated Wetland up the top um and here are the is the uh rain Gard I'll zoom in a little bit better here so you can kind of see um this is that rain Garden that'll be kind of treating a lot of the uh storm water
um that's going to be sent down here um just for full transparency because this is part of a bigger plan this has also been submitted to the planning board for storm water permit application and honestly that's really it I'd be more than happying any questions that you guys may have and if you want me to zoom to anything specific uh feel free to ask so I'll turn it back over to you you um do we have any do any the Commissioners have any questions for the
applicant Jeff yeah I was just wondering if there's any erosion control um I don't see any on the plan uh yeah there is some you can't see it on this plan I could actually me pull up a different one where you can actually see it all but we're proposing um silt fence and straw Waddles going to be kind of lining on around now just give me one second while I pull up the other one
here I should had this one all separated to go okay hold that one up and with any Lu see if have to change the screen
that's being shared here did you guys see this or you guys still seeing that previous screen oh we can see that see it perfect so right here is the uh silt fence line kind of coming down so this G be the road
control barrier okay do we have any other questions from Commissioners Richard thank you madam chair um you said the deck was coming out or it's proposed uh so this would be being removed I'm going to go back to one of the previous and you have a narrative for um revetting the
area when you take out uh we do not um but we can get that for you okay is there anything that the commission would like to see like any specific plan things or anything of that nature generally for myself I like to see whatever is uh Native and in the general area okay you kind of want to re at least the 30 foot no touch Zone at least try to get that revegetated in a way that matches the um the vegetation
and the surrounding area makes sense perfect thank you and so this is the property that's across the street from the church I forget what they call it now yes yes I believe it is I'll try pul this a if you guys can see that so in that existing wooden deck is that the stage that they used to have when they were having their festivals out there is that what that is that's
actually a great question I honestly don't know yeah because at one point there I know they had had um festivals and things like that okay I thought they had a little stage out there so that the staging is going to be taken out and then you'll revegetate the area yes and what's what's the limit of grading going to be around the house again uh yep so you see on the screen here we're actually going to stay
without uh the 50 Foot buffer for a majority of it um we start to get a little bit creeping into it as we get close to that staging is it's going to be removed um but everything is proposed outside of that uh 30 foot no disturb Zone all right and can you overlay the uh silt um the erosion protection again because it looks like it kind of stopped didn't look like he went the entire stretch of the so here's that overlay with the set
erosion controls this kind of massed area in the back here they can't really see anything that's where the existing staging area is okay and I guess can we put temporary erosion protection while they are removing the staging absolutely okay and then can call the limit of work to silk fence I would imagine y okay and they've pretty much cleared
that a lot up to the property line yeah that's kind of what I've been seeing from Ariel I personally haven't been to the site um but that definitely seems pretty fair it looks like this has been an ongoing project y yeah I guess I'm looking at it from overhead it looks almost looks like in
Burt okay that would be news to me yeah and I'm not sure how old this picture is but almost looks like burnt and then again it could be an old picture yeah I'm I'm just flipping through as well on uh Google Earth here I don't know if you guys can see what I'm doing no okay you can't yeah I'll try to showare this can
you guys see that there we go okay yeah so it looks like it's been cleared oh this is this is 2023 this looks like that's the area where the staging area was uh so must be a Google Maps is really old picture yeah when I go to
2024 it still looks like it's cleared there um looks like it's starting to get a little overtaken by the vegetation that's currently existing um but we can take a look at that I know we have a site visit scheduled um I believe it's the 10th uh no sorry the 19th um we can take a look at that so long as a snow not kind of hang everything
but okay do we have any other questions from Commissioners yeah NOP just from the sil fencing and then just uh a narrative for what we're going to put back in that area to revegetate it okay thank you thank you Richard um do we have any members of the public okay and
then um I know we were we haven't done a sidewalk here yet because Sophie wanted to wait until the ground wasn't Frozen to check it out more right Sophie uh yeah that's correct the snow cover it makes it hard to to kind of process everything um on the ground visually if nobody else had any um
questions or comments I do have some specifically from d and I just wanted to double check that I didn't miss any um correspondence with the applicant about addressing those comments okay go ahead yep uh so the comments read the applicant should propose a pre-treatment for the bio retention areas to receive at least
a 90% TSS removal um per volume 2 chapter 2 page 23 TSS removal sheets should be revised accordingly the applicant should ensure the buo retention areas meet the design and um there they also say let's see the applicant provides equations and figures for required recharge volume and required water
quality volume and States provided recharge and water quality volumes volume below Spillway for each lot but the report does not demonstrate how the applicant arrived to these figures um for the provided recharge volume and water quality so they should be providing and showing their work with that the applicant should include these equations to demonstrate confirm compliance to
standards three and four and then the special note says the commission may include the operation and maintenance plan or yeah operation and maintenance manual as a special condition in the orders of commissions if approved okay um thank you for that so I just want to clarify um this is so they want me to show their
work for how they arrived at how would I word that or taking notes just kind of oh sorry Sophia um just to kind of clarify too so what they're really looking for is um show the work on the volumes that are actually provided by the rain Gardens um so I know what the storm water report and I'm not sure how you guys want to handle this so I'll leave it up to you um we are going forward with the storm
water permit application with the planning board which my understanding is also going to be uh reviewed by uh the peer review for the town um but again we have no issue you know answering these questions too um so I don't I don't want to try to confuse you Jenny uh so if you'd like me to kind of answer these questions be more than happy to um but if you were still just taking notes on what D said that's kind of the the gist of it they want to make sure that we show the show the work for the 90% TSS removal credit for the rain Gardens they
want us to show the work for the um volumes for water quality and for recharge okay and then so are you saying that will all be included in your storm water plan correct we did submit a sto storm water report yes okay okay do we have any other questions from members of the public or the
commission okay so I think right now we would be looking for a motion to continue um and we would want to see temporary protection um where the stage is removed and uh vegetation narrative for where the Stag is removed um the limit of work is going to be the silt fence and then we'd want to see the questions that the D has
answered um in the storm water plan does that sound right Richard sounds good to me okay so I'll be looking for a motion to continue with those conditions so moved oh we need a date oh to February 19th is that when we want to come back Daniel uh that's when the site walk is scheduled I don't know if it makes sense to go for the meeting after that if that's your next available we'll surely
take it okay so Sophie what do you think should we would make more sense to go to March where you have the site walk on the day of the next meeting yeah I wouldn't schedule it for February 19th I would do the first um first meeting in March is I shouldn't know this but let me look my calendar uh
5th it is March 5th okay so i' be looking for a motion to continue to March 5th moved second okay roll call um Jeff Fano hi Richard bur hi Mike lar I and then I for myself that's everybody yeah great thank you guys thank you so
much thank you you as well okay update my notes really quick and then we will move on to the next meeting okay so the next new public hearing is um pursuant to mgl chapter 131 section 40 as amended in the town of lunenberg wetlands protection and Municipal bylaws a public hearing on a request for
determination of applicab applicability by Jeff vivano for removal of 10 dead trees and two leaning trees within the resource area and within 30 foot no disturb zone of Lake Shirley located at 338 Sunset Lane so I know that we have the applicant here yes I member of the commission um so I think I don't everybody if everybody was on we don't have a quorum tonight um with Jeff not being able to vote on this so we can hear it and then Chris and Mary would
can watch the video and then sign the um the mullet mullet Mullen rule mull form yeah and then we'll be able to vote on it next week but well Jeff can present tonight yeah I'll at least get your feedback for tonight and then uh yeah I'll just I guess uh we'll talk about it in a couple of weeks too yeah or unless if you'd rather wait we can wait too it's up to you well I'd at
least like to get feedback so okay you know if there are some issues at least I could address them at the next meeting so I think that makes sense if I could share my screen I'm on an iPad I think I can do it you should be able to you okay so not exactly sure how to do it and also I know you put a lot of documentation in open gov so if it'd be easier for Sophie to share for you we
could do that too I actually I kind of have them in order here I think so okay might be easier if I do share my screen I haven't used zoom on an iPad in a while but I think you have um you should have like do you have like a hamburger or like three dots yes and you click those you should
see share screen hopefully in those options there's a share function but I have to select the photos that I want to share I don't know if [Music] that um H yeah this was a lot easier before they updated this okay let me see if I can just select the
photos okay do you have that it looks like you got it y okay it says you've started screen sharing there we go perfect okay so this is well you can see the one Leaning Tree and you can see where we swim that sanded area there yeah in the center of the screen kind of right there okay so and I I I tried to
stand the tree up I had a I had a backo come and we put a we climbed three4 of the way up the tree and we put chains around it we tried to pull it and uh we actually snapped the chain so it it's just not going to be able to be saved I was hoping to kind of lean it back up and then maybe get some we had some pieces of granite all in place to put under there so that that I tried that last winter when the ground was frozen and it just just didn't really work um it's it's mostly a gravel
and sand yard so it I wouldn't necessarily say that it freezes I mean the loom area freezes but the sand and gravel you can honestly dig in the yard during the winter it's it it doesn't really freeze up that hard so weren't successful there so there's these two trees they kind of share almost like share root ball there's that one leaning and then the one that's kind of leaning behind it so when we built the house seven years ago I would say the tree that's leaning really far was probably about the angle of that other tree right
behind it um so those two trees I'm looking to remove um just because of the danger of you know kids and US swimming and then the the bank itself I can't imagine the size of that root ball um so those those are the two trees that I'm looking to remove and then this is kind of a picture that's closer up of those two trees the one on the right is the one that's leaning really far and then the
one on the left is you know really close to the the bank as well and um the we get heavy wave action here this faces West so the waves actually come up over those rocks at some points uh you know especially in the fall when the water's still up and you know there's good wave action so this this Bank just keeps keeps eroding so those two trees we're looking to take down there's this tree that's falling well fell down um and it's still alive but um I've had a
couple of jet skiers get stuck in it and I just don't want the liability it sticks out about 50 feet um so looking to take care of that tree um there's another actually that's another shot of that tree that's actually leaning out into the water water um but it's it's it's got some branches that come down almost like like cripples that are keeping it up and keeping it alive amazingly um but that's been there for
seven years since we've owned the property um there's this other dead tree that you can see kind of right there that's kind of it goes up into the woods you can't really see the other 20 feet of it but looking to take that tree um that's another picture of that tree that I just showed you um and you can actually see the lake is down now and that's pretty close to the current level so I was looking to
get it done now obviously so that we can get you know like a little they have these little kodas with little arms on them you stand on the back of it it's not like a real heavy piece of equipment but it um Curtis is the one doing the tree removal and he said he can just drive out there and cut them up into pieces and discard them pretty easily when the lake is down um so these this is a peninsula um of land we we have about almost an acre
this is the tip of the peninsula to the right and my granddaughter and her friends go out here all the time during the summer and there's like three Trails there's one that's kind of on the base of this uh West Side I'm sorry the east side of this there's one that's up on the hill and there's another Trail that's kind of on the uh the west side of the peninsula it's not trails that we made I think it's just trails from Wildlife going in and out of there um and so you can see these trees there's
one two three four five six seven of them that are dead um we actually had a lightning strike uh two years ago um and it hit I thought it was just the two trees on the end but obvious obviously some other trees um were affected by it it was a pretty strong strike you know the the house even shook a little bit um and it's it's
not our first lightning strike we had one five years ago where it it split about 120 foot Pine that was about 200 I'd say two feet across at the base that it it split from the root ball all the way up to about 20 ft from the top that was the only thing holding the tree together I'm not sure how it stayed standing but it did and that was about 15 ft from the house which did about $35,000 in damage to the
house so it just seems lightning strikes this peninsula really gets quite a few of them since we we moved in here we're realizing this so those seven is it seven yeah it's seven up here I'll show you more detailed pictures um this is the the another tree you can actually see it's it's broken probably three4 of the way up and the tip of it is kind of leaning up
against another you can see it's on like a 30 Dee angle to the left of that tree that's standing there right now that's the top of it um so that tree we'd like to take um this is one of the dead trees um you can see that there's a lot of rot and it's just in danger of falling um and I think the longer we wait the more of a mess it's going to make in my opinion um this is that one tree that 3/4 of the way up
it's gone so although it looks healthy it's completely dead um these two trees you can see the one on the left is very compromised I think that's where maybe some lightning came down through this tree and then the one on the right which it shares the same root ball it's kind of got the same thing going up on the screen on the right hand side of that tree and they're both obviously
dead um this tree is the one that got struck by lightning because all the bark from this tree was on the ground um the next morning when we went out there so those two trees are well shares the same root ball but that was the major one that got struck and that's all on the tip of the peninsula you can kind of see the lake bed off in the distance there um so those are those two trees that were kind of dead on the tip this is another tree um I just kind of turned around to
my left um from looking at those other two trees that tree is dead this tree is obviously dead um and this tree is obviously dead so I think that's it um and I I I've hired Curtis for a day and he's going to try and get as many trees out of there as he can so I'm not sure if we're going to get them all out but at least I'd like to get a good portion of them out and definitely those
two leaning trees on the shoreline um I think that's about all I have so you guys have any comments or concerns I'll address it and then you guys can all hear about it again in a couple of weeks okay thank you for that um do we have any questions from members of the commission obviously all the stumps will stay we're going to cut them as low as
we can but I'm not going to grind anything okay and Richard has his hand up Jeff just a quick question so the ones out on the peninsula I mean there's more than enough coverage out there that I don't feel the need to replace those but you do have the the couple there that are by themselves over by the little bit of beach do you have plans to replace uh
trees um believe it or not rich I actually did plant two trees over there um with just knowing that those were going to kind of go let me see if I can get a picture that shows them um you can see there's two smaller trees almost behind them if you can it's maybe 8T off the bank I guess you can see zoomed in these two here okay um I I planted those years ago
knowing that these were going to go so I think I've already kind of check that box off if that's okay uh you know the only thing that you you'd have to see what it says in the bylaw for given the size of the trees coming out and what the replacement needs to be I think trees within the 30 foot there there is a schedule in the bylaw I
don't forgive me I don't remember exactly what it is for a tree of 12 inches or 15 inches of what you have to put back in that would be my only suggestion on these two and then the third one that's completely down where there's just not a lot of coverage around there like I say myself the ones out on the peninsula there's more than enough other trees out there that'll fill in without a problem so it just be a matter of whatever the bylaw requires for the the
replacement okay so that would really be my only suggestion what's the third tree I guess uh the one that's perpendicular to the water okay so you're taking a two I guess some question in the reason for it I mean nature is taking these trees I'm not really asking to take them but they are going to die so I mean I it's just was expecting to
replant the area so that I mean if all the trees fell down now you wouldn't have any trees there along the bank and the trees do provide a service holding in the banking providing shade for the the water so there are reasons that the trees are there so that would be my only my only comment was whatever it says in the bylaw for replacement when taking them
out okay so would you accept these two trees as being Replacements or no uh I would certainly accept those as towards whatever the bylaw says you're supposed to put back okay if those two trees satisfy the requirement of the bylaw of the regulations then that's fine okay where you you said you planted those in anticipation okay just be what just another concern that I have is I have a lot of these these red
Pines this red pine that you can see leaning here um there's there's a lot of them like growing that are maybe two feet tall up on the peninsula um outside the 30 and what I've been kind of doing over the years is is kind of replanting those would you be okay if I just you know use those native trees that might be only two feet tall and um I mean they really take off pretty quick
um I probably planted about eight of them oh five or six years ago and they're one of them is already like 20 feet tall it's amazing um would you be okay with that yeah just because I like I like to have the native species there and that's really the only thing that survives really well because it's a hard Pine there's tons of them around the lake so yeah I mean wherever you get the trees from is fine like I say it's just a
matter of just satisfying the the regulation so okay great again just to make sure that there's there's trees back in there that will grow back into the spots and provide the the holding with the root system and that sh so and I I was actually gonna maybe put one over here you can see in the center of the screen so maybe I'll put one like five feet off the bank there because there's no trees right there right now so and then I'll I'll tuck another
one in where those two trees are and I think that might meet the bylaw with the two trees that I planted um like four or five years ago okay great Madam chair yeah oh yeah is that did you have something you wanted to say to me Richard okay um does anybody do any other members of the commission have questions for the
applicant Sophie did you raise your hand Sophie yeah sorry um Jeff were you able to see my site visit notes and comments on open gov um I did yeah and do you have any uh what is your response to my notes and
comments well my like I said my granddaughter and I even go out there with my granddaughter quite often on the peninsula and um the reason I'm doing this is that one tree that's kind of missing the top of that fell when she was out there and I I just don't want it it's a danger to our grandchildren and their friends to have these dead trees out on pensula when they're out there playing so that I mean I understand your comment that it you
know it's good for the environment for these decaying trees you know they provide um habitat and you know food for you know squirrels and birds and everything but um I just I I'm just fearful that they're going to get injured is my issue with I mean otherwise I would just leave all these trees I wouldn't care about them there there's no reason for me to really take these trees down if we didn't go out there you know but um that that's my
concern I I just don't want that to happen um so I guess that's my response um did anyone else on the commission have a chance to review my notes I did not but I'm [Music] looking for them now if um I don't hear anybody so I can just read them out loud
okay that'd be great um so this is what I submitted on my inspection report so the overall comment uh States mostly all the trees located are identified are wildlife habitats um assets and should be protected Ed per the WPA values most are located in buffer zones um some fully and partially within the resource area um Lake and the
bank none of the trees proposed to be removed that were only identified by the inspector myself were assessed to be a risk as part of the tree site visit assessment forms which I completed and attached none posed risk to building s walks parking landscaped areas traffic utilities or Recreation sites however uh skip down to the exceptions two large mature trees which are the ones that Jeff pointed out um
are a few feet apart and have a decent lean towards the water near the recreational area um should these trees leaning furthest towards the water pose a threat to entry and beach access and swimming area could be cut if the stump was left intact for erosion issues um and then in the middle I wrote trees analyzed uh show Wildlife values such as habitat nesting nutrient recycling for soil and water fish
structure and shelter as areas for spawning Turtle basking amphibian habitat and food for Birds dead decaying trees provide screening for rainfall root systems on Bank hold soil prevent further erosion of Bank from rainfall with current wash out and resource areas removal of these trees would further deteriorate and thre the Integrity of uh the lake Peninsula area for coniferous
dominant tree stand I do have other um notes but those are separate from that open gov report um Sophie where in your in open gov is this because I try to look at usually the administrative review and is I'm not seeing notes there is there am I missing somewhere that you're putting
notes so it's it's the RDA d24 d8 yeah and then if you go to the Conservation Commission site walk completed January 28th yep here it should show right in the inspection the site inspection notes I could share my screen to show you exactly you I found it I never
thought to click on the site inspection I always look at the notes at the bottom where it has a comment but yeah I that's where notes went okay now good to know for the future great okay so I was just looking in the wrong place okay um so it sounds to me like what you're saying is you know you the try to
clarify the trees that are on the peninsula you think that those provide good habitat and you're you don't see why those would have to go um and then the other trees are healthy and you're worried about losing that habitat um is there do you have any recommendations based on your notes that you would like to
see um I mean you kind of summed it up um I think that the trees that are not quite as dead as the rest of them on the water's edge that are leaning I think if we looked at the bylaw or if Jeff looked at the bylaw and did some sort of replacement um for
those that's definitely fair as they do pose a hazard but the rest of the trees I still don't see as posing a hazard um in relation to where they are and um any structures or anything like that that I don't really have other recommendations other than kind of opposing then that's mainly the ones on
the peninsula right okay um I I might have missed it Jeff do you have the caliber of those trees the two leaning trees or all of the two leaning trees and then the other tree that is still the this the one that's in the water right now kind of um the one that's in the water is probably 10 inches around okay but I don't think Rich was concerned about
that one the other one that's big and leaning is probably oh 14 inches and the one behind it is probably 10 could you work with him Sophie uh to make sure that we know what the ratio for replacement would be for those yeah and I know just where to look for that
answer okay yeah I know where to look too but so we're calling this a okay okay um can you zoom in a little bit on the bank behind the tree that's in the water right now yeah now do you it looks it appears that that bank I can stick half a shovel under that bank yeah like I said there's
there's there's massive wave action here it faces West so on those windy days it really splashes right over that bank yeah I mean you can see you can see Roots all along that line yeah have you considered putting Maybe some like water loving shrubs in there to help stabilize it a bit or Richard 650 feet of Shoreline so it's yeah that's a lot of shrubs I just
yeah just worry about your erosion I me I do have plans to put you know some more of these the stones that you see um around like part of it but in in all honesty I I it's it's just a it the expense it's $50 per square foot to put a wall in so multiply that times 650 fet times
probably a twoot wall it's it's a lot of money if if I were to take on something like that or even you know I understand with the shrubs but in in my honest opinion I could put a shrub a foot off of that Shoreline and next year it would just be dead because of the wave action just comes right up on that door so get washed out yeah some shrubs if they can get an established root system that would actually like
that true yeah I mean it's it's it's solid it's not yeah long as it's solid you can definitely you can stick your whole arm under there I mean right yeah under this area um I just worry because your trees are all falling in so it seems like you might have some stabilization areas there this one you can see is yeah it's hanging out over the water and yeah there's trees all around the peninsula
better yeah but this this tree though I I tried to save that so many times I yeah I should have listened to the concrete guy when he was pouring the concrete he said I'll just pour like a yard of concrete around it but he's like that won't go anywhere and I was like I don't know if that's the right thing to do but yeah okay so I think that it sounds like we would be looking to get um a good replacement plan based
on what you you you figure out what you have already planted figure out the caliber of the trees that are coming out that are in that were you know are healthy even though they're leaning and um you know you and Sophie Sophie could help you make sure that you have the right replacement plan when you come back okay and then if I could get your comments on the dead trees I I actually I'd like to hear if any other members of the commission have
any comments on the trees in the peninsula and and again my granddaughter and her friends go out there and we go out there all the time just to kind of hang out and we swim and there's a small area over there that has a clearing and we swim out there every now and then and I'm just fearful that one of those trees is going to come down or branches I mean they're in pretty pretty sad shape so Richard do you have any thoughts
about that or does anyone else have any thoughts about that personally given the count of trees that he's looking to take out and the trees that are currently there on the peninsula I don't see a a big oh you did say to the de trees that are there I mean he has expressed a safety concern and he's not looking to do any other development out in the area
so okay myself I am I am fine with those coming out given the reasons that he has given as a safety hazard so and again to look at it there's plenty of other trees in the area to provide uh habitat and the other uh things that Sophie had stated and again that's my opinion but my my biggest concern with the the three trees out along the edge where the vegetation is limited I just want to make sure that
we are reintroducing trees into that area okay yeah I think I would agree with Rich that there is there's will still be plenty of tree cover there and that those there's habitat there and those would be okay to remove with okay how about
Mike Madam chair I you know sort of lean toward what Sophie is saying I I I'm a big believer in habitat and but you know certainly not at the expense of safety as well um um you know if there was any you know compromise on those Seven Trees um but once again it's not I'm not saying gee save this one and not that
one um you know um there are plenty of trees there but uh you know I have the vision of a of a yellow bellied sap sucker going after a tree and it's one of the most amazing things in nature to see and those are some of the trees that a sap sucker would go after and make um uh you know that natural spectacle in front of you but once again that's uh
something that I'm fond of but once again if you're telling me that your granddaughter and brings her friends there you know they might like to see a yellow belly zap sucker do that but once again um um it's I think it's your call you're you're a conservation commissioner yourself so uh preserving nature is probably something that that's in you to
do as well but you know um um I'm just a preserver of Nature and I can't help myself but um I sort of lean towards Sophie Sophie's Point here but once again if there's a compromise that you can you know cut a tree that's you know six feet tall that's not going to harm anybody but it will be a focal point of of U nature coming in um that's
what I would say and so you know you're not going to be surprised if a six-foot tree that's dead um Falls but you know certainly these look like they're what 30 feet tall you know that's pretty scary if you're a child um but those are my thoughts okay thank you um Sophie s did you have your
handris yeah sorry um I was just wondering if the thought of with the dead trees damaged trees was there any thought of removing the majority of the tree and leaving like a shorter snag that it's not as it wouldn't be as harmful if it were to fall just to leave something for um
something envirment I mean I don't think I'm gonna be able to get a tree guy to climb up one of these trees he's just gonna drop it I mean my other concern too is I mean I I can get them down now when the lake is frozen and we can clean up all the debris you know what if what if this happens one night and you know Carl luck goes skiing almost every morning and
he I I can only imagine what that would do to you if you're water skiing and you hit one of these things floating in the lake that just broke off one night I mean that's another beer of mine too is that it falls into the lake and floats away and it's in the middle the lake and nobody knows about it oh okay I'm having trouble wrapping my head around that um the if you know if an 80 foot tree
falls and the bank is 20 feet away and 60 fet of it breaks off it's going to float away so that's debris in the water but I mean that does sound like sorry I didn't mean to cut you off um it does sound like that would be some a part of nature taking its course and I I don't think that trying to it would be very hard for everyone
that lives on the lake to try to save everybody from trees falling um on the water's edge I think it's part of the natural process okay do we have any other comments from
Commissioners do we have any comments for members of the public okay so it doesn't sound like it um just as far as the commission goes I want to just make sure that Jeff has all the guidance that he needs for when he comes back to the next meeting I think for myself I would be looking for a good replacement plan
for those three trees um and you know also taking into account what Jeff has already planted and then as far as the trees on the peninsula I would is for safety sake I would be okay with seeing those go does anybody else want to add anything to that or do they have any they'd like to say
against that is that your hand up Richard or uh no I was just agreeing with everything you had said okay I mean I will say that you know the trees that there's probably two that aren't terrible yet but in five years they will be so those will be the last two that'll have them Target I guess and maybe those can kind of hang
out for another five years till they're more of a concern but yeah I think I think for now we can I mean that's what I I the most important thing I think is that replacement plan um and then we can see what you know Mary and Chris say when you come back okay okay I think at this point I'd be looking for a motion to continue to the February 19th 2025
meeting Madam chair I think there's only three of us present at this oh right that's right we can't vote at all right so this has just been informational yes okay so we will um move on to the public hearings there's nothing else on this okay thanks for your time by the way thanks everybody for comments thanks okay so pursuant to M uh pursuant
to mgl chapter 131 section 40 as amended and the town of lunenberg wetlands protection and Municipal bylaws a public hearing on a notice of intent by Ryan Vickers for removal and replacement of a collapse oh sorry we're we're continuing this one we already talked about that uh we didn't open it correctly last time okay pursuing to so we're moving on to the next one pursuant to mgl chapter 131 section 40 is amended in the town of
lunenberg butland protection and Municipal bylaws a public hearing on a notice of intent by Sally tle luck and Richard tanol represented by Matthew marrow for replacement of one retaining wall replacement of a section of walkway pavers and removal of three trees with a replacement vegetation on the shore of Lake Shirley located at 352 Sunset Lane do we have the applicant or their um person representing them here
tonight Madam Madam sh Matt Maro here um and my client Rick tanoli is also present okay Jeff did you want to say something I'm a direct butter so I have to recuse myself so that does not have quorum oh okay so unfortunately Matt we don't have Quorum for this um do you have and I know for this we were looking
for um do you have any do you have an update that you would like to give um we can't yeah I I can I mean I can show you my screen that's okay yep let me know when you yeah can you see that now yeah I can see it okay so what the commission asked for they Bas they asked for three basic things on the plan
one was to have the erosion protection placed on the plan which you can see um it has been placed on the plan um scrolling here uh note number two is the erosion control note on the plan that was requested specifically by commissioner Burch um the third thing is um Sophie and actually DP had mentioned it in in their comments too um they wanted the square footage on the area where the papers were going to be pulled out so that
comes out to 132 square feet it's marked on the plan um to give the commission just a real quick synopsis on that the the scope of work on that essentially and I put this in my response to D's comments they're just going to be lifted out by hand and they're going to be placed back in the exact same spot by hand so really nothing's going to change they're just being moved out of the way because if you saw in the notice of intent application package a bunch of them were actually starting to cave in
along with the land so we want to get those out get the wall replaced with the new wall and then put the pavers back where they were that's basically it the other thing the commission had asked for and it is on this plan this tree um you guys agree to the other two trees I guess we were good with so far at least some of you were and then you wanted to put a note on there that this would be pruned so there is a note on that tree by the driveway that it is just to be
pruned only and it'll be left um the only thing we would ask is on this plan there's six shrubs proposed you know the large arbores that get tall like trees but uh and they provide similar habitat to what's there now um but they wouldn't cause similar issues growing too close to the house Etc um we have six on the plan now but as we're only removing two trees um my client was
wondering if we could remove this this one by the driveway and this one by the front of the house and that's basically it um D EP had some comments that I addressed um some of it had to do with a flood plane issues um flood plane is noted on the plan it actually is right here the actual specific flood plane elevation um that that's just a quick
synopsis okay um yep so that lines up with what I had in my notes and do we have any comments from members of the commission even though we can't vote on this tonight doesn't look like it and then I guess we probably Richard we wouldn't want to look for public comment right now just technically we're not in a open hearing uh well technically we can't
open it so just make a statement that the meeting will be continued until the what's the next one the 19th yes okay so um thank you for that that Matt and unfortunately we'll have to continue this until February 19th if that works for you and the applicant understood um and appreciate it and thank you for letting me at least
show you guys the changes that we made to at least show you that we you know we we did do our due diligence for you okay thank you okay so that is it for hearings for tonight um um so and 390 Howard Street is continued until February 19th so and we don't have any administrative determinations we don't have any extension request permits we don't have
any certificates of compliance or notice of project changes um Sophie do we have any updates on enforcements um looking 40 Fire Road 12 um well actually 10 massav was uh I guess I could start with that I was somewhat in correspondence
with the applicant and their representative from I believe it was Dillis and Roy they're putting together that um f like the filing schedule that the commission requested um and still working on the plans okay so it's going to take a bit but we do having the knowledge that they're working on it is a lot better than where we were prior um let's see fire Road 12 we're
still working on um in conjunction with the help of um the land use director I went out there and confirmed that the the stockpiling of personal supplies is still there um we're hoping to get that removed as soon as possible um I think Chris was also in correspondence with the lunenberg police department since it is um considered
trespassing at this point and okay 48 Meadow Lane um at the last meeting we had discussed having myself go out and look at the dumping um and stockpiling of debris within the buffer zone and within the Wetland area as well as removal of vegetation I couldn't uh I was not granted permission to access that site
via 48 metal Lane so I will have to send a letter to both 48 metal Lane and I believe it was 32 um the adjacent property to access that site and I will also include in that letter that we would like them to attend the next uh conservation meeting okay
and that is it for enforcement section okay and then we don't have any emergency certifications does anyone have any comments on any of those enforcements okay um so move on to new business and for topics unknown 48 Hours Advanced meeting on the agenda is the thing that's immediately under topics unknown
a topic unknown or so we have the docy sign time frame listed here so I'm assuming that's something that you'd like to go over Sophie yes I'm just looking for note for that okay um yeah so I have spoken um with the luse director for some guidance
and he supported uh the following and which I wanted to convey to the commission I've been working um very hard to keep the office functioning within the deadlines and time frames by state law and since we have the ease of using the docu sign tool um I'm advising that the commission signs documents in a preferably much more timely manner since there are many moving parts that
makes document creation signing sending to D and the applicant and the owner and an intricate um as an intricate process with that being said the office is working towards setting up an improved workflow that will help the department and board work more cohesively with time frames including working with the administrative assistant who's Maddie um in her weekly schedule which is only 10 hours a week so in turn the office needs all the
doc you signed documents to be signed by all the commission members unless there's an obvious Conflict by the end of day on Tuesdays to keep in compliance um and then on Thursdays um the documents will be sent into DocuSign um to meet the necessary the necessity of having all signatures completed by the following Tuesday so that they can be issued
appropriately are there any thoughts or comments or concerns on that statement Madam chair yes I'm sorry I don't somehow I can't have my hand raised here so I was hoping that will be okay to speak absolutely uh so you're saying that uh docu sign documents will come in on Tuesday and
Thursday or can they come anytime during the week so as of right now I what the lack of workflow they're they've been coming in um whenever I can get to it but once we have a more established workflow with this implementation the documents would be put into docy sign on Thursdays prior the week prior to the Tuesday that we're
requesting them to be signed off on okay so you have Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday Monday and end of day Tuesday gotcha thank you so is the expectation that the ones that are coming in on Thursday will be from the meeting that we had the Wednesday the day before yeah that's right okay I think I I think this is a great process that's my
comments does anyone else in the commission have any comments about that okay so um thank you for letting us know Sophie and uh so and then I would send out an email to the entire commission just letting everybody know because I don't know when Mary and Chris will see this but I guess
there's nothing to S there's nothing to send out from today but um just in general just to get it all in writing and make sure everybody is aware yep Absolutely I'll send that out okay thank you okay so next we have the 100 Town St Harbor chapter 61 removal um so do you want to fill us in on that Sophie or are we all aware of what's going on with that
100 towns in Harbor is coming out of chapter 61 and we have a WR of first refusal um I spoke to Mary about this couple weeks ago it doesn't sound like there would be any reason that we would want to uh exercise that right but if anybody has any thoughts on that I'm glad to hear
them okay and I don't think we would we want you know Mary to be inv and Chris to be involved in that anyway um if we were so if it's okay I'm going to move on to the next topic which is wildlands Grants which I actually am not familiar with because does anybody have any or is that am I thinking of something that has the same name but is that the thing that Chris was sponsoring
at the last meeting um that was the paint I know he was sponsoring the paint stewardship program so he decided that was dropped yeah so this is I remember there was another grant that he was that was the Farmland of local no that was Mary with the Farmland of local importance I does anybody have any visibility on the Wildland Grant that's on I have an email chain um
of her requesting okay Chris was part of this I think it an outline okay yep I can share it if you would like um yeah absolutely or maybe if Chris is sponsoring it I think that maybe we should wait until he's here next week at the next meeting um but I do I do remember what
it was now so if everybody's okay with that we'll move on and save that for Chris for when he's on the meeting okay um farmlands of local importance I believe Chris also no Mary sponsors that do we want to touch on that at all
okay all right conservation budget report do you have anything that you want to talk about for that Sophie um that that's kind of a like a placeholder to have for every agenda um the budget report is uploaded to the SharePoint um for everyone to look at and review um every 15th of the month
okay if they have any questions or concerns or want to discuss it that's the material is there okay great um do you have any updates on the senior volunteer program um I'm fortunately not that specific program we haven't had anybody come in and qualify for that specific program but I did get um really good news that one of
the um citizens that lives nearby and is part of uh Lakes um production and maintenance she will be volunteering um in the office to help with a lot of different tasks she just needs to go through HR to fill out some paperwork that that'll be really great okay and then I have tree
policy um so I think this also may be one that I would rather it's not pressing it's not a pressing subject so I think I'd rather wait and push it off until Chris and Mary are present okay but I I would actually want to ask if the commission has um had a chance to review any of the documents because it was brought up um briefly
before so okay um I actually have hold on to refresh myself no it's not letting me open it um so I'm going to refrain from making any comments because I wanted to refresh myself before I said anything about it
um so can table that to the next meeting unless anyone has any objections but I'll definitely prepare be prepared for the next meeting um moving on to Old business I don't we have any updates on title searches I don't think anyone who's involved in that is on the meeting today and then also April Earth Day events which is technically Mary's
domain I don't think anyone else is involved in that with her at all or Mike or you I checked in with uh the lunenberg public library and the lunenberg pollinator habitat and it looks like um um it wasn't quite on the public libraries radar yet but they're they're hopefully going to get something organized um but uh the pollinator
habitat is very excited and they're planning some events and I told them that we would be happy to help them during our meetings to promote whatever they have uh so I'm hoping by the next meeting uh we will have some information on the pollinator habitat's earthday event okay and then if you have information would would we Sophie would we want to put that on the agenda for
the beginnings just so that it could be an announcement when people are in the meeting would that be how that would work I'm assuming under the like appointment section okay okay um and then so Mike you would just let Sophie know so she could put anything that you wanted on the agenda for some visibility sounds good I will do that okay all right so next we have
encroachment issues you have any updates on any of these properties Sophie I do not okay so then I'm going to move on to open space and land use um we have the chapter 61 open glove workflow did we have anything that we wanted to touch on that for tonight um it looks
like soie do you know how that goes in open gov there's a chapter 61 it's I've been well when I was working closely with Brian on going through all the open gov updates and what not that was kind of added um as a future uh want but as of now it hasn't been Revisited because of other necessities
happening okay and then do we have any grants updates not not am Maya and um I forget who kind of tackles that usually Mary seems to know the most about grants right and then conservation land
Improvement updates I think that also might be a merry topic I know Bob has been out doing some improvements as he does um and he's you know repaired a few Bridges and things like that so I guess I'll move on to the holl red residence Mike do you have any updates about that yeah I called on to uh Chris Ruth to give us
an update on the search for replacement cabinets and um and I called them earlier this week and I he says oh yeah Nick's working on that but I'm not sure um so he was going to give Nick a call and I didn't get a call back so I'm assuming that uh there have not been any cabinets found this week but we continue to talk about it and work on it and hopefully they will arrive for
our Hollis Road residents okay great all right all right so moving on to committee reports Mary is not here to report on open space and I could not connect into the last I I dropped after about 15 minutes on the last storm water so I still have to watch the meeting so I don't have any updates
there um do we have any we don't have any public comment because there's no one here from the public and do we have any Communications or updates from any members of the commission he all right well I guess with that I'd be looking for a move to adjourn oh Sophie sorry question
um with the new commissioner should I start should we start adding their name to documents as an official member um I would yeah I would it just make sure he got sworn in um but it sounded like he was planning on doing it today so you might want to also maybe check and make sure that he's getting his email and maybe reach out to him make sure he
knows how to get on meetings is that something that you would normally do yeah in in conjunction with probably it um but yes okay I think he needs to complete an open meeting law certification course too so I think you need to get that um that would probably be through human resources thanks so so I think I actually just went and
signed up for it myself oh okay when I was appointed and I was able to do it like that day you can just look for it on the I'm I when I got sworn in I forget the woman's name um I feel bad about that but she told me just to go and do the open meeting course and then send it to her I think so hopefully somebody is giving
him some clarification on that or maybe someone from our commission can but that's a good point Richard we have anything else okay I guess I'd be looking for a move to adjourn so moved back okay uh roll call Mike larouche hi
Jeff aano hi Richard Burch I and I for myself excellent job Jenny nice Jobing with me did great you did very well thank you perfect have a good night everyone good night have a good night