all right so um 7:01 I'm going to call to order the uh a Monday March 3rd uh meeting of the green committee in the Lunberg Green Committee got a little bit
of junk to read here um uh following information is also provided for members of the public that would like to participate in the meeting remotely participate remotely there is a a public Zoom link from a telephone you can dial in um if you want to be recognized and
want to just uh talk either raise your hand or if you're on a phone to dial nine the agenda that we had posted listed all the topics which may be discussed in the meeting and there are um uh which may be discussed in the meeting and are very on those reasonably
anticipated by the chair votes may be taken as a result of these discussions not all items listed may in fact be discussed and other items not listed may also be brought up for discussion to the extent to permitted by open meeting law okay that was my big speech here so I
got folks drifting in here let me go back to showing my participants so I can see when other folks drift in and things like that all right I got Alex i got Justin okay excellent excellent
hi there everyone okay okay so um you know next thing for me I'm going to skip over I'm going to go directly directly to you guys um um and let you enjoy your evening if you want as we do all the fun stuff that
town town meetings are all about um so as the team knows we're we're well I we we talked about it last time uh one of the things that Unatil is offering through the mass save program is a energy audit of town municipal buildings
so um we are in desperate need of this as we look to try to do what's next um we've managed to do the HVAC we have the uh got the green grant for the HVAC for the uh primary school and as the town
decides what they're going to do with uh Turkey Hill we felt it was important that we make sure that it stays a very viable building and moves into the 21st century um uh not just 20 you know 21st century i'll leave it at that and then the uh public safety building is
probably one of the bu flagship buildings but we need to definitely uh make sure that that stays going so um Matt is I has invited with us with Elsa elsa is Alex and Justin i assume you're with Elsa or are you uh town yeah we can
do some very quick introductions um my name is Elsa i'm um one of the program managers for our um EPOM support team we help with the the commercial side of our implementation um and then Alex is uh one of our specialists who will be kind
of delivering the the meat and potatoes of our uh heat pump consultation this evening and Justin uh is uh with our team as well um on the residential as well as the commercial side so thank you for letting us all kind of tag along here um Alex maybe we can set the stage just
for a minute and then I'll hand it over to you by just talking about what the consultation is um the consultation is is the kind of beginning conversation of our assistants that is designed to really uh meet our customers no matter where they are in the process uh it
sounds like uh for the school we're kind of on the just getting started page of just starting to think about options um but thinking through kind of um HVAC replacement and heat pumps as well as talking through kind of other associated considerations with weatherizing your
building as you prepare for heat pumps for further electrification and what might be involved in that so um part of this will be kind of asking some questions to do some intake to discover where the building is and you may or may not I'm not sure if this group has all of the information if not that's okay we
could of course follow up with the facilities team for it but we're also going to talk through kind of what what may be involved and um things to consider especially for getting started and getting quotes from from contractors um but Alex I'll hand it over to you if you want to go ahead and
get us get us started that sounds great um thanks Elsa and I'm gonna share my screen and um share with you this uh consult report which will be Oh maybe I can't i
apologize i'm uh not used to this Zoom platform it says post disabled participant screen sharing i don't know if that's something hold on bear with me here um enable request uh remove purchase
no that's not doing it bear with me a second i'm not that familiar with this either so um Oh here you go there you go boom great it was the only one that wasn't checked i saw all these checks and I said "Oh we're all set." But oh well no worries uh all the platforms and
and different things so So we'll be sending this report to you and it's got a bunch of useful links in it um we always start by recommending that you look into weather weatherizing the building uh first of all it will delay
the heat pump project but it sounds like this is a big project that is planned to take a little while uh anyway and I'm not sure and we can check if it's any different i also might know for municipal buildings but um typically the
weatherization program is uh 70% covered by utilities u by your utility uh unit in this case and um it starts with a no cost energy assessment someone will come out
and uh identify all the opportunities for energy saving in your building um then they'll connect you with a contractor who will develop a scope and it might take about two months to get to the point where you're ready to actually
start the heat pump part of the program uh or the project but what that will do is it lets you get that scope for what the future heat load of your building is and so you can buy uh smaller equipment and then use less energy and save more
money every year uh on after that um so we'll connect you with um with the correct people if you are interested in in pursuing that and um and
then once you've got uh if you do choose to or or not the first step will be to find a contractor and there's this uh handy tool there's a link right here um let me
ask what is the uh address of the school i don't have it in front of me oh and I can't hear you Dave sorry if I do that it's on Northfield Road in Lunenburgg um uh what the heck's the
address again um 129 Northfield Road um and what's the town and and zip code sorry 01462 so with that and Alex I I we may kind of expedite the
full overview of the find a contractor tool just because we have a larger group here today um great give kind of a quick overview you know we generally recommend getting three different quotes um some of our customers have contractors they already work with and that's certainly
fine um but we may find differences between different quotes from different contractors which is why we recommend having several um and one of our follow-up services that we can um assist with as you get a little bit later into
the stages here is uh doing a quote comparison and what that is is a after you've collected a few quotes or maybe even a few different proposals from the same contractors uh what we can do and and we ideally recommend um that you ask your contractor as well for a manual N
and a manual N is is the commercial larger building equivalent to a manual J so it's a heat load calculation um and what that will do they'll you may have a manual end from all contractors ideally or for some of them but we can evaluate that manual N and then compare the
quotes against the manual end to make sure that the systems that there are uh to evaluate the systems they're proposing and make sure that they're adequately sized that they efficiency specs meet the requirements for the um for the equipment against the Massafe
qualified product list which we'll talk about in a minute um and then that they're all eligible for for rebates as well yeah definitely and uh and it's a really exciting project i
um you know you've got a huge campus here and um and there's a lot that you can do um even even geothermal if you're looking for if you're able to and you're looking for the best long-term solution
for heating for the space um it would be very easy to to put in geothermal bore holes and um and even uh tie in a dual system that uh uses less bore holes and is able to heat the whole thing
electrically both from the air and the and the around um so we'll find some contractors we'll get some project proposals and then once we work with you
uh if you choose to and we find we get it all uh decided what uh what contractor and what proposal to proposal to move forward with then the first step will be this rebate commitment letter
um all of those contractor proposals are going to have model numbers and um and specify the equipment that the contractors are planning to install and you probably won't really need to look at it but the the
contractors are going to look at this uh qualified products list which is a big spreadsheet with all of the um eligible equipment and this is the main um main requirement of the of the program is
that you install eligible equipment um and to ensure that the first step um will be to fill out this form um and this is all just basic contact kind of
information and then the reference numbers for each of the uh heat pumps and all of the equipment that you choose um whether that's a air source a VRF which is a larger more advanced air source system which is probably
something you're you should look into or a ground source which is is the best of all and this letter will take about 3 to 6 weeks uh to turn around and come back it will maybe it will be much faster in in
your case i'm not sure um but then it guarantees your rebate for one year um after that and and it makes sure that whatever equipment is selected um uh qualifies and and it'll be smooth
sailing after that at least as far as the rebate goes um and then that's that's mostly it for the for the rebate side of things um but we'll include a lot of
information about system sizing and um a whole bunch more information on uh different options in terms of uh what heat pump to choose and uh whether you choose ducted or ductless um delivery
methods is there duct work uh existing in the building does anyone know uh I I believe there is yes I believe there is i'd assume so so I don't know Dave if
you've had any uh conversations with the facilities team there i know there's been turnover um but similar to the elementary school right there's a uh a main kind of fresh air ventilation system that is tied to a a boiler system so I think it's a similar setup where uh
that's how they're getting the the heating delivered now um I don't know if there's central cooling today Dave or if you know that answer i I don't think there is you know yeah so I'm I'm assuming it's similar to what we saw at the elementary school uh
where they started to add some uh mini splits for cooling purposes uh without integrating it into the heating and we're working uh as Dave mentioned on a green communities grant to do that for that facility and that this would be kind of next up in line uh that they
probably follow the same pathway so Matt this one doesn't even have the many splits this one getting ahead of it as Yeah yeah the old system the only benefit this school has it has it has a larger array of solar panels sitting on the roof so at
least we're better at generating electricity here yeah i would say that you know because we're getting ahead of the game as opposed to being a little more reactive with the last project uh that we worked on um it's you know as Alex mentioned there might be better
opportunities for like a whole system as opposed to kind of how it was phased in at the other school uh but likely with the ventilation system that's in place you know having a VRF system or even like Alex said if there's an opportunity the geothermal might be a better fit
than doing kind of the peace meal mini splits that uh that went into the primary school understand absolutely and one thing to mention you know and and uh that's great with the the solar array that we noticed in the um in the mapping software as well um with the geothermal
system as Alex mentioned because the uh thankfully for right now at least the federal tax credits are available for the and would come to the school as a direct payment uh as opposed to a credit so um would be an additional 30% um for
eligible geothermal systems cool okay um so there are some different considerations um uh between the the different options typically the duckless systems are a little bit more efficient um there's
less losses uh right in in getting the heat to you but in terms of uh ventilation and air quality there are good reasons also uh for the ducts and and that'll just be a matter of
comparing the quotes um and looking at the options um but you could scrap the duct work entirely and go all mini split but probably it would make sense to reuse it to some degree whether that means a combination of mini split heads
and and the central ducks or um it'll really just be up to the contractors to see what makes sense to them and then we can look at what they bring bring back to us understand and you know so like you know some of the challenges today is you'll have you could have one two rooms
next to each other one of them says it's too cold one of them says it's too hot okay and that's that's the only reason why the mini splits beca look look attractive however who you know this is a system designed in the I'm going to try to say 80s so you
know who knows what what what's going on with that system and it you know we haven't had a good facilities person in the school for eight years six years now so okay yeah and as Alex mentioned you know if you have the space within your project timeline to consider evaluating
and and uh implementing weatherization opportunities first that will really go a long way in in dealing with that kind of air leakage especially if you to pinpoint kind of where it's coming from and those kind of comfort and temperature imbalances perfect perfect definitely
um so uh as to the rebates themselves uh there are some other uh considerations in terms of how much uh how much money you can get back uh they're all run on a per ton basis so that's 12,000 BTUs
and it goes by the cooling and that's something that you can find uh on the spec sheets uh for the different equipment um which I'm happy to to show to you if you like and so here the the regular air source heat
pump is 2500 per ton um and that's usually a good option although in your case I think you're definitely going to want to look at uh the larger VRF systems which have higher efficiencies uh over time as well as a larger rebate
they are more expensive and I think it's an important distinction that there's two different kinds um or there's there's a VRF system and then a VRF uh heat recovery system and the heat recovery one is is much more
advanced and you're able to heat and cool sim simultaneously and also uh things like recovering heat from waste water as possible from all the water that you uh drain down the drain as well
as uh heating your uh domestic hot water with your air conditioning um and things like that that may not make I that might not be a huge selling point how much use does the building uh get during the
during the summer i'm going to hesitate but right now it's not I don't think it gets a lot during the summer um however though there's thoughts on this building so it's a matter of whether it stays as a school
or not um that's going to be the big big thing it could end up being a town building eventually which would expand its summer usage substantially yeah definitely um all right well that's definitely good
to know and yeah there would be probably many more opportunities for heat recovery as well as uh more AC load in the in the summer um also there can be some challenges in
geothermal uh when your loads are really imbalanced when you have a lot more heating than cooling um usually that's not that big of a problem though um usually it's more skewed the other direction um and so finally uh the
geothermal is once again more expensive but uh also once again this is by far the most efficient over time uh so the coops the uh amount of heat or cool that you get out of the air source heat
pump hopefully will be up around three um for the cooling season and for the shoulder seasons but it's probably going to drop down to two or even dipping down to one as it gets really cold outside and the benefit of geothermal is it's
always going to be like at least three 3.5 or four even higher uh potentially and and here uh the the rebate is 4500 per ton
um I have no idea what the heat load currently is for the building but it must be huge um um I don't know yeah I used to have that number i looked and I don't I couldn't find it um I
apologize it's Oh no i'm just I mean we we finally have a new facilities director um I think they started last Monday so I had to give them a I had to give them a little time to breathe before dumping and this again is kind of a preliminary
conversation so we can do kind of a more once they're able to kind of get their feet under them and um are able to kind of dig up records uh do a more kind of fuller data intake yeah yeah would we have would we have
um a cost projection um a cost and performance projection available from the um engineers before we can get started on this and so we can look at all three options yeah so depending on the type that you're interested in you know what we
would recommend and once you have uh contractor selected so again getting back to kind of re the recommendation of selecting multiple quotes but contractors can also make their own recommendations between system types um and Alex can answer questions um
contractors would be happy to kind of quote you on a few different systems um but we re you know with any of the recommendations what we would have from them again um asking for that manual N is a comparison against the heat load calculations for the buildings to make sure that that those systems are
appropriately sized um and then we'll we can talk about kind of costs that we ideally you from any one of your contractors would also have kind of a fully itemized cost consideration at which point Alex um will of course give you a breakdown for the the systems
proposed what the eligible full incentive amounts will be um by the system size all right the ground source makes you know obviously makes the most sense it's just you know how does this look you know at you know the you know the short-term costs but also over time
um over time it seems like it would be you know absolutely the smartest decision decision but is uh is it in the budget and as part of that uh quote comparison um kind of next step um reporting that we can do part of that
will be kind of a a payback um estimate for especially integrating the the solar um that you have system that you have right now um looking at the costs looking at kind of the how the incentives play into it both on the mass level as well as the federal level um
and what the the difference in usage would be to pay back the system very good thank you um yeah on that note it would be good information too to to find out what the
um net metering scheme is like I imagine typically you make a lot less money selling power back than you use and so especially if you have your own solar um electric heating could could have a a
much shorter payback period um Dave could I interject a quick comment in regards to that yes sir go ahead thank you um just be aware that the town has not managed its solar credits or its
solar production credits uh correctly or efficiently for a number of years so we have buildings with thousands of dollars of credit and other buildings paying $300,000 a year in electric costs oh yeah uh and that's been under review for
almost a year and still has not been sorted out and part of the problem is that the arrays that are involved here or the sources of the power are multiple entities so trying to and from what I
understand reallocation is only allowed once or twice a year so it took 6 months just to get a handle on what was where and then slowly they're supposedly working on adjusting allocations just so you're aware
yeah I wasn't thinking that it's a municipal building um I guess that could factor into it too but only if you're able to offset easily to to other buildings right and the
system on there is a isund 106k okay yeah that's something to do just to give you an idea 106 um 100 106,000 um kilowatts I think it is um hold on i
can tell you exactly yeah all right cool good to know well [Music] um that's pretty much the end of what I typically
um go over with people um we know that your sponsor is Unidil which is the only other part um one one thing to just add to that Alex so uh we're the electric sponsor uh however the gas service for
this building so Lunenburgg is an interesting town depending on where you are in the city you either get gas from Unatil or you get gas from national grid so uh this building will get national grid gas so from a you mentioned kind of
weatherization in advance of of doing uh you know anything for heat pump or electrification so if you were to do a weatherization audit or to to look to do some of that work um you know we would have you guys uh connect with National
Grid for that process um but similar to what we did over at the primary school uh the green communities you know DOER's program will require weatherization anyway so it's good to um you know make sure that that's part of uh any project
if it's going to go through the green communities grant thanks Matt yes and and I I believe National Grid has a municipal rep for every city so we can put you in touch with the the Lunenburgg rep to get
started on um the audit for weatherization opportunities as a next step no problem appreciate that absolutely and then in terms of kind of timing of how long that takes you know I I think that you know when you do have a
timeline for when the the weatherization opportunities will be complete um in the meantime this can be a good time and Alex can kind of walk your facilities team or whoever else will be involved in kind of vetting contractors through again through that using that tool and finding uh
contractors um that are part of the our heat pump installer network to start getting in touch with and start um getting some quotes from okay so let me I know we we can go through a lot of things here i'm going to just the easy things for us all right i mean obviously
I'm going to have you know this is just a meeting you're meeting with the green team but the big things for us is to try to understand um uh you know uh timelines uh for things because uh we're trying to push some folks along so that's really
what we're looking to a lot of what I'm looking to understand is more the timelines sure do you want to answer that Elsa oh you go ahead uh well do you have a is it like as fast as possible or um do you
have specific deadlines in mind or anything i'll just say yes to both those no um there's really not um the town it's it's more of pro wanting to quickly provide information so that people can start making decisions
okay that makes sense we don't really we don't service the National Grid things um weatherization rebate programs um so I can't really speak to how quickly that could turn around but you could uh schedule a no
cost energy assessment tonight or tomorrow um tomorrow I guess when we get you the report um Elsa yeah and and Alex I'll just jump in and say you know I I don't think this will go through kind of the common route we can put to in touch
directly with uh the your national grid and municipal representative um as Alex mentioned we can't speak exactly to their timelines but uh ideally you should be able to get an audit in within the next couple of weeks um and then you know how quickly they can turn around
the weatherization project um yeah I think will depend a lot on kind of what they identify and opportunities there and of course it won't be an all or nothing there may be kind of different routes to to select no and that's perfect i was really looking at your timeline like you know how long it takes for the audit process if everything
falls into place the SC stars align I can give you all the building documentations you need and all that stuff that's what I was really looking for because you know I say that there is going to we need to that building I know for sure needs weatherization yes mhm
and I know that's got to be done and that that's all part of capital planning and as Mr pacios will tell you it's nothing's quick in this town when it comes to that yes so J question on that so what is that
process within the town so if you get your your team is like "Yeah we're going to go get quotes on uh on putting heat pumps in this building and you got pricing and Elsa's team and Alex can can kind of give you the the best case uh
scenario of these three uh proposals that you have that you want to take to the next level you then take it to the superintendent or where does that go does that have to go for town voting is that what's the process um I'll actually can I Mr pacios can I
ask you to kind of step in on that one because you you are much better at this than I am yeah Dave Pacios uh former resident of Lunberg i'm actually up in Jefferson New Hampshire now just so everybody knows but I am still officially vice chair of this committee
until May of 2026 at least um yeah the capital planning uh process um is as I agree with a couple people that have tried
to understand it over the years and disagreed with it is pretty convoluted um the whole process starts in as early as August for the next um fiscal year and uh previous uh that
that's when the capital planning starts reviewing projects that have been submitted by the department heads to the town manager and then a list is handed to um capital planning committee
and then they go through a process of prioritizing and then they interview department heads relative to those uh projects so you know you you start in August and and you're hoping that you
have it sorted out and um it's let's see capital planning is done with it within a couple of months then it's up to the town manager and our charter gives the town manager wide
uh control and responsibility and abilities to shuffle the projects around uh knock them off the prioritized list uh quite a number of things and she ultimately she or he uh ultimately
determines when she gets further into the budget process how much money can be applied towards that list and once that's done then we know what projects made the cut and which ones didn't
and there are slight adjustments made all the way up to almost town meeting uh because there are a lot of unknowns in municipal government budgeting because of the state and so on and so forth so that's the basic process the problem
we've been having in Lunenburgg with grant um awards is that the grants have been applied for I'm going to say at the wrong time some of the grants that uh have
been awarded had sunset dates on them that were fairly close to when they were awarded and in one case uh recently the town turned back $1.6 $6 million in grant money um because they didn't have
the money for the balance of the project um you know no fault of the committee really that applied for it because nobody really put the dotted eyes and crossed the tees for them as to how you needed to time this
green communities uh grants were running into the same problem but um I'm waiting for a text message um actually from the meeting I was in just before I jumped back in here um to see what our solution is for the present
uh grant that we've got awarded um there is a delta between the incentive and the $200,000 that we presently have and there's a meeting
going on right now to hopefully find a solution to that so that it allows us to get completed uh with the President Grant round um grant to be able to reapply in October
so in a nutshell that's it i believe we're going to see some changes in the way capital is approached over the next year uh but I can't tell you for sure does that answer the question yeah so I guess let me throw this out so if best
case scenario you would have quotes and at least a an estimate on project installation costs by August you would then uh be able to potentially go for a green communities grant as early as
October it would be some selection process over winter spring by the town manager as to whether or not uh this is a project that's viable for next next summer installation and that would be the quickest turnaround
i I' I'd agree with that yes yeah i I would also Yeah so to give Alex and Ilsa's team just you know kind of some timelines and things like that that as as far as you know data that we'll want to collect with your facilities team for
the the building and then any follow-ups uh you know that we'll kind of have that timeline in mind yes yeah that's off the table yeah uh just one other comment very quickly in that uh present uh capital planning process uh during their
prioritization the uh members take into consideration a number of uh reasons why they move project up the list personally um and one of them is uh applicability for
grants and especially if we have you know if we're close to being ready to apply for the grant or we have the packet put together and the minute the the additional funding is secured and we can throw in that
application that's one of the things they look for and they will move a project like that up the list yeah and I I'll just say that uh that the reason that this should be much more competitive than uh the the primary school project right you're you're
getting in ahead of time to get some of these things and it would be designed in a way that it could be comprehensive as opposed to kind of phased in the way that uh the primary school uh was put together so it should be more competitive where you'd be able to you know hopefully get green communities
grant as well as uh the rebates that uh that Alex went over right i agree that right and and that's really what we're looking for is that you the most of the time the project is that the way that things have worked is that a certain
entity in town will just go out and get a quote for a project but they don't even know the scope and this is really why we think that's the biggest thing that we got looking from for you guys is help with the scope of the project what's going to
make this the most successful project possible and that's really where we need to help because otherwise I'm going to listen to a contractor you know one guy's going to tell you you need you know you need double pane windows one guy's going to tell you you need triple pane windows and one's going to tell you
you need to just make a solid wall so you know who do you do do you do the cheapest contractor or what do you do what's best for the long run yes absolutely and and you know to that end I think as Alex mentioned you have different options between different types of heat pumps you know ultimately
a lot of that will come down to kind of preferences but the most important thing that we can recommend is that any contractor that you get a quote from performs a manual N um and making sure that they have performed a proper heat load calculation will make sure that the system is properly sized because to your
to your you do not want an undersized system of course and and or an oversized system ultimately will lead to kind of operational issues to comfort issues um so you know that I think is the most important factor and why we recommend starting with the you know find a
contractor tool is that these contractors are part of the mass pump installer network um and have been kind of held to that to that quality standard okay okay perfect perfect so um I've
just admitted a few folks into the meeting um they're from the school side so the the meeting group got even larger um than we had but the biggest thing so the biggest things for us and I just want to re just review with you guys because this is very exciting for us the
other side is we want to do one of the town buildings as I mentioned we have the public safety building this is with police fire and the jail and you know it was designed that the hot water source is on one corner of the building and the
cells are on the most furthest section of the building from that you know um and so it really it's like you know the most another inefficient building and that's why we really want to look at
that as well as well but so if all as I'm understanding this if all goes well once we sign all do all our paperwork and all that stuff it's I'm going to say a couple of months for you guys to have the audit done and that way that would
give us a document for the school for the town to be able to start looking at feasibility of the project you know what's what's needed with weatherization first and then what would needed to move forward with the heat pump because obviously we would have to do the
weatherization pieces first before we even qualify for the heat pump side is that correct as part of your grant funding it sounds like yes and that is not a a mass save requirement for commercial projects but it it sounds like it is a requirement
for the uh green uh the green funding okay okay so if I green communities Okay all right do they require it actually be installed first or just they do not so in most cases they'll require
that um weatherization be part of the grant request so in the case of uh the primary school project or our most recent uh projects that went in for Lunenburgg this year they had uh weatherization components to each of the
facilities that were being looked at so even though the primary school is one that there's not a lot of weatherization opportunities we had to build in like a little bit of weather stripping and things like that just to basically qualify for the requirement okay exactly and we can get that started first you
know depending on what they find you know they may be able to kind of complete the project much in a much faster timeline than that if it's just simple measures such as weather stripping um in any case you know we can certainly get the process started as well with with contractors and selecting quote selecting quotes and then
evaluating the the heat load calculation uh and the quotes should be something that we can accomplish within you know the span of just a couple weeks so meeting this timeline won't be a problem and we can plan to kind of um depending on how much time the the data intake uh
needs um you know it shouldn't be again you know a question of more than a couple of months altogether okay okay and so that this is real this is real good for us this is exactly thing so what would you need what would you need from us for next steps
so for next steps it sounds like we will put you we need to put you in touch with National Grid so we we can do that you know as early as tomorrow probably um to get connected to your your municipal representative and they can help the process started for evaluating for weatherization opportunities uh at the
same time we can get the ball rolling with with helping you find contractors so Alex can um either by email or an additional follow-up call um plan to meet with you to um show you again the kind of all the ins and outs of that find a contractor tool and for evaluating contractors that service your
area again you know it's ultimately up to you how many quotes you get but we generally recommend three um and that may be some part of some contracts that they require three three bids um contractors can quote you on you know a variety of systems as well if you would
like to consider you know say VRF and alongside bouncers or heat seps um but you can evaluate for contractors that offer those types as part of the tool as well um and then once you have your quotes we can get the ball rolling we will uh Alex can work with your facilities team and and members of this
group to um kind of get the needed information for um your your building uh to start putting together the uh heat pump comparison so I'm sorry i felt like that was a little bit of cart before the horse you're having me pick a contractor
before I even know what I needed well your contractors can come out to to perform the heat load calculation again depending on kind of what they develop what what they identify for the weatherization opportunities and how long that's going to take if we want to kind of keep the ball rolling and and
they identify a smaller amount of opportunities it may be possible to have the contractors out to to do their manual while that's underway okay because that that's one of my things i'm not sure we even understand what weatherization needs to be done right or what would be whether what the best bang
for the buck on weatherization would be type of thing and is that something that you help us with or is that what I just relying on a contractor with so the weatherization will be through so as Matt mentioned your that goes through your uh heating sponsors that will be
through national grid through your gas um and they will send someone out to uh evaluate what do what we call an energy audit that will identify what um what opportunities for weatherization and it could be something as simple as kind of weather stripping uh to prevent air
leakage or uh for insulation opportunities okay perfect so that would be through the national through uh national grid and then I and that your your side more is on the HVAC is is upgrading is is evaluating the system that's in there
today and and what would be necessary to upgrade to make it a efficient system for tomorrow exactly okay so once we have your contractors and we we have get the the ball rolling with the manual ends that's when we get all the information and start comparing those quotes and pairing the the heat load
calculations against each other inputting all the information you have about your current systems about your solar arrays and that will let us do the kind of cost analysis as well okay so it's sounding to me like I need to first thing step is getting with national grid but at the same time I would like to
keep the ball rolling with you guys that we we at least know what the system we have feeling that weatherization will take place before we would be moving forward with any HVAC system understanding too that we don't really need to do the weatherization but it's
going to change the complexity of the it's going to change the dynamics of the system if that is done yes depending on kind of what they identify and the scope of what they they recommend yes it may it could be possible that whetherization's required to get certain
uh certain rebates or grants it it Chris it is required for the green grant but it's a matter of what how how much weatherization would be necessary for the green grant right generally speaking the weatherization's all it's always a win you want to get um building as tight
as possible put as much R value in there as possible so that way your heat load calcs come back as low as possible um allowing you to use a smaller system in general and uh less energy over time okay and I'll just note that it's also
70% uh covered by by the utility i believe this is exactly what I do for work great okay um excellent excellent so uh um for next step for you guys is it right now in
fact I do have uh Chris Stevens chris welcome to the team and all that stuff i think he's our new facilities manager for the schools and so is there something that you're going to need from Chris to kind of I sent him the sheet the the website that you had sent me and
I'm wondering if there's anything in particular or anything like that to kind of help move this along yeah so Alex can follow up i know we have a pretty big group here so we don't have to kind of go line by line on this very call but um that sheet has a table
which Alex can review with you Chris and and you two can decide whether that makes sense by email or maybe just a quick follow-up call um essentially will be information about the building um that will help us to to kind of assess next steps right i mean I know Chris is
still drinking from the fire hose and you know even trying to figure out where the stuff is half the time because you know it's he's three people removed from the last person that actually had things in order so um I know yes yeah i It's Yeah I'm sure it's a lot to kind of dig
out from so you know if that needs to happen by email and kind of a peace meal process that's absolutely fine with us as well yeah we'll get there yes understand okay excellent so I'm I'm like I say I I didn't you know for you guys I like I said the weatherization
was a little bit of a tossing it in there but I know it's necessary for the green brand but I definitely the bigger thing is obviously your your end of the system is going to be the larger expense and that's why I that's the one where I think that the group that's on
here that's what we really need to understand you know we need we want to be ahead of the game and to be able to really p you know be able to go in with the exactly what we want not relying on a contractor to tell us what they want and that's what the exciting part is you
know for us so we welcome the opportunity um I don't know if there's I know some of the group jumped in late i don't know if there's questions from any of um you know from from yourself Chris or from uh Sue Kate or Sue at all yeah I
wasn't able to the what you sent me i wasn't able to sign into it i've been getting a lot of that lately ah okay yeah we may have to give you permission uh yeah I don't think I have a lot of the permissions yet so and that's maybe a good follow-up question is who should be kind of looped in throughout the
process um obviously the you the two of you can kind of work together on the the data input but as we get kind of later stage in planning the um the weatherization and kind of getting quotes from contractors should it be this entire group is there um yeah it
it's going to be a small group it's going to you know Chris is basically going to be one of the key points but we'll definitely be helping him you know when it comes to with the find the contractor and things like that and everything like that there's also another Chris that is involved on the on
the town side okay great great you guys just have to scream out Chris and one and somebody's gonna answer one of the two of them perfect okay great well Alex will be involved um we will also have uh Paul from our engineering side involved on the the um quote
comparison part of it but um Chris Alex can be a resource you know for kind of questions throughout uh the whole process okay so Elsa can I ask a favor then could you throw a quick email like hello with Alex's email on there i'll let I'll forward it to Chris with you
guys still on copy great and that way everybody has everybody has that kumbaya moment great great and then you know we can get you guys started tomorrow with with figuring out who is your National Grid representative to to uh to get you scheduled on the weatherization audit
perfect perfect excellent excellent all right yeah that was my biggest question is who do I send this report to so uh Elsa will you connect me or I could send my email right now yes yes absolutely yeah so we'll we'll send an email out Dave and and get the kind
of the correct context uh sorted out and then get our distributions put together perfect perfect that's what I figured i I'm I'm gathering your yourself as more of my point i'm looking at as I'll be your point and then we'll make sure we get the folks because you know I'm trying to unlike this call I'm trying to
keep it small for the folks that have copied and everything need to know basis right and that's it yes definitely great well we're looking forward to getting getting started on the project with you excellent we look
forward to it and I I thank you i thank you so much for time look forward to the email um school guys I'm going to ask you to stay on for a few minutes if you could and I'm going to let the I'm going to let you guys enjoy your evening if you can great great thank you all nice to meet you thanks so much thanks all
take care enjoy thanks again all right guys so you know what you know our big thing how we how do we stand so we had an emergency meeting with the um with the school committee after having a
a meeting with the town manager um and the chair of the finance committee the chair of the school committee and the select board last Friday um so the the emergency meeting tonight so that the school committee
could take official uh an official vote to um withdraw the capital projects that were slated to be part of the town manager's capital plan for the town meeting uh in
just a couple of weeks and replace that with an equal dollar amount um to go toward this uh mini split project done at the primary school um so
so that plus a small delta uh will be um hopefully resolved after after town meeting and uh as long as that uh capital plan amended is approved at town meeting we're we're good to go
okay all right so I do have one thing though i'd like us to see about you know they they showed us a find a contractor site there and I'd like us to investigate another couple of
contractors because it I don't think it affect us it's not going to it might affect a little bit on on things but I I'm I'm my concern is that this contractor never brought this up in the first place
and you know this is something that every contractor in the state that does state things should have known about when it came to the rebates incentives and things of that and so I'd like you I'd like to especially because you're going to be look you know as we look at
it I think um um Sue could definitely think the last conversation we had with him he was very wishy-washy as to what the cost would be you know basically the system he quoted is not available anymore he's going to have to do something
different and blah blah blah and I'm like you know we've all dealt with those guys at our house and they never give me that warm and fuzzy that there won't be those uh um amendments to the Constitution as they say nope totally get that
um Sue and I'll have to get working on it if we're going to have to bid this out um I I will say that um a a valid concern I think was was raised with um you know new new companies bidding um
falling within this uh this cost range uh due to the potential impact for all the tariffs um we just don't know what that's going to do to total cost on parts and everything else so um we can
certainly pursue it and maybe it comes up that uh we get a a better a better outcome um but I I do think that potentially there's a chance that it it might come in higher which I don't think would surprise anyone because every time
we take months to get to a project and then we get updated uh costs it's always something higher so um we can certainly pursue that okay thank Yeah i I I appre I'd appreciate that because I I I look at
that because look the I think the present contractor is going to get hit with tariffs too that's what I was going to say how locked in is his contract because I wouldn't be surprised if they already throw that out there you know yeah yeah yeah the I'd like to look you know definitely be
something to look at because who knows maybe there there was there was a lot of things in there that I wasn't you know that seemed a little strange and that's that's the only thing so we're happy to help you work walk through that process and go through the process i think the big thing you have is that today you
have an idea of what the system could look like from them and that's further along than when you were when you first went for that bid you know when we first started this process and I think that goes a long way to be able to make sure you're looking at apples and apples versus an apples
and oranges dave through you to Dr burnham do we at this point that $483,000 figure do we have a commitment to that number or no if we don't then we're we could be more than
$170,000 short yeah and if we are more than $170,000 short we're out of luck there's not going to be any more money um and we'll have to cross that bridge when we get to it I guess um I would say
that the cost my sense from what Dr gillson has related to me is that the vendor is reluctant to say a hard yes this is our price we're we're locked in but they are also not saying "Oh no this
price is not valid anymore it's going to be a good bit more." and and given us any indication you know to what extent that cost might have increased so I I don't know if they're trying to sort of play the middle here and hope that
they can just land the deal or or or what i don't know yeah okay but they have been reluctant to to commit or say otherwise so hard to say i get that
um I had another thought I was going to mention oh the other concern only concern I have and and you know we're going to need to be sure if we go for another quote or two from other vendors we need to be sure they're vendors that
understand the requirements of the grant that we've already got uh i.e the equipment's got to be on their list uh and there's other criteria that's got to be met um you know we don't want to waste our time with a vendor that's
using uh a brand that's not on the list because we're just as you know we're totally wasting our time then yep yeah so so Dave on that front I know you might have jumped in a little bit the the group that we were showing before but on the Mass Safe site they have a
find a contractor find a find a contractor thing and all of those contractors are are fully aware of what's necessary to get the rebates for mass save mass save and then it's just a matter of making sure I'm going to I would work with Matt to make O'Keeffe to
make sure they knew what was necessary to tie it into the old system so we can still receive the rebates on the present equipment yeah I'm I'm more concerned that we don't shoot ourselves in the foot with the $200,000 we already have you know we we change vendors and
something gets changed that green communities doesn't approve that money is going to go away so I I think we need to be very careful that's all I'm I'm always that way with unknowns and I agree anybody any contractor that's that
that is that wishy-washy is going to hit us with a 25% or more increase when we actually ask for a a contracted number well I think I think that that what we would do um is reach out to the town
manager tomorrow morning um to talk about next steps moving forward because whatever those steps might be we've got to move quickly yep i agree if this project needs to be done this summer it needs to get underway late June early
July it's got to be pushed through it's got to be done by mid August before school opens for us but also so that we can tie everything up in a bow and have it all done so that you're all ready to uh pursue the next round
yep dave Dave do you remember the uh date that we're required to have the closeout uh documents to green communities to qualify for October um I'm going to say I think that's a pretty tight schedule yeah it's in
September it's It's September i want I want to say it was September we were trying to get things wrapped up in order to be able to do the grant round in October this past year right yep that that sounds right i I just want to make sure that we've got an eye on the
targets that's all yeah and like for us like I said we would need to get it all done before school opens um that last week in August so we we would have to be working on a really tight timeline anyway yep great okay excellent
excellent thank you everybody that's putting additional energy into this yes yes and and by the way that I I I think the green communities themselves are w will work with us as much as whatever we decide to do it's just a matter of you
know in the end I their biggest thing was is it does the systems qualify and does the final energy assessment qualify and they've said both you know so far we're good on that okay and Chris um I'm going to hook you up with Matt O'Keefe
yep and also the you'll get hooked up with the gentleman from National Grid but both of them both of them have a free program for you that you go to a course and learn all about the energy management systems okay perfect so it's
it you know so that you don't have to call in the third party every time you have to push a button yeah right yep okay perfect but in in general just they'll be they should be a great asset to you as you go forward yeah fantastic and I'll just say that just after four
days on the job I think that Chris is going to be a great asset to the school department and the town so thank you think I think we we finally landed in good hands here excellent and I think you guys need to know understand I think you guys have hopefully will understand
that probably well over 60% of the money that we've ever gotten se I'd say closer to 70 80% has gone has gone towards the schools over the years that's appreciated and that was mainly because the facilities manager was active with the group so when we were looking for
grant opportunities he was there pushing his stuff so um feel free feel free yeah if you all need anything just give me a call i'm there well same here if you need just let us know so like I said we did the refri the refrigeration units were part
of an energy audit we're you know they have these building energy audits um I felt Turkey you know the the feeling of the group was Turkey Hill was made the most sense especially with everything going on and the conversations about Turkey Hill so you know but if there's other buildings that you guys want to do
this with let us know yep i didn't you know I know you know I didn't think TC Pasios made sense today to do an energy audit on it no weatherization might be a tough one there huh so
Oh no we can come up with we can come up with $10 million worth of weatherization easily for that building yes understand but get getting that through town budget was my my thing so excellent excellent um Brute
um Kim Chris Matt any any questions or anything like that or any thoughts um I I had the only thought I had earlier was and you had brought this back up Dave um was that we uh stick with the contractors on the approved contractor list because they generally
know how to work work well within the system um there's things that uh they would include uh that other contractors might overlook um and using a non-improved contractor uh I've seen people run into
trouble in the past doing that which makes reminds me appreciate that um we actually I'm sorry I didn't mean to jump around but one of the questions that was thrown around was the contract we have on the solar panels on Turkey Hill do we know who's
that with and what the deal is with that yet correct me if I'm wrong Dr gilson but that company went bankrupt and nobody there's no company that is has ownership of those at this point is that right yeah that is my understanding from
Chris Ruth the um the town facilities manager so So the contract that one changed hands several times different companies took over um but our understanding is that the the last goaround
um company is no more and no one no one assumed that so um we were at end of contract on that anyway so what happens now with those have the town take them by eminent
domain manage it ourselves it's not difficult i do believe that they're still generating net metering credits for us it's just there's no company that that owns them that we need to work with so
but how do we know that the net metering credit we're getting is correct well that's an excellent question okay we've been trying to figure that out for both of our solar and that may be something that Chris can help us out
with yeah I think audit done on them or whatnot and see what they're really putting out yeah Dr burnham um Chris might want to be introduced to George from Whites Smart also okay because he's Chris Ruth has him involved in trying to
sort out the entire solar credits and and um allocations and so on and so forth cuz the the whole allocation system is messed up within the town uh one of the things he mentioned to me at one point the
uh public safety building was sitting on a $30,000 credit balance and you know what your bills are at the schools uh with huge amounts you're paying out and we got thousands of dollars in credits setting sitting on other buildings and
Right because they're allocated just for that one building correct right yep no it's been a it's been a source of frustration for us to try to sort through all of it um to be sure that we're not somehow um getting the short
end of the stick and it and it's and it's been an exercise for sure trying to get to the bottom of all of it and I will say that um we did have um we did have a a a pretty lengthy meeting with uh Chris
Ruth uh and Chris Stevens our new our new director here um last week was that last week yeah that was last week today's only Monday um uh so they they are already um really kind of jelling and um I think
they're going to work fantastic yeah it's going to be good yeah we're going to get along just good yeah it's almost like they had been working together for years the way they were just interacting so I I I think it's very promising excellent excellent i mean that's the biggest thing for us is just making sure
you know we're we're one town yeah i mean we're all on the same team yep yeah and that's the whole that's really the whole thing for us but okay so and um so Chris I'll be I'm away for a couple weeks but I'll be back after after Easter i'll be back so I I'll make
an appointment with you to come and say hello and talk a few things there i know we have a website to look at the panels and look at the energy thing i don't I can try to find out what ever happened with that as well but there's been you know it's I we probably have it where
it's you know nothing was updated for Yeah right on things you know i don't think I don't think it was folks priority for a couple years yeah right might have some info for you on that too Chris i don't know yeah right okay yeah
sounds good excellent excellent all right i I appreciate the news it was exciting for us i know there was a lot of discussion you know um and I know you guys really want to get this project done as we do in a timely fashion the
really exciting part is that we can move forward you know I look I I'm going to just speak for myself i can let the group speak for themselves but my feeling is is I rather you get the project done and that that the project's
done correctly than worrying about whether we're applying in September or whether I'm applying in the spring for my next round okay I'll say it that way because this project just it just has to be done correctly because it's it hinges
on the rest of the it hinges on whether that system's good for only another five years or another 15 years and I'd rather see another 15 years than five years agreed i think we need to see another 15 years i I think it the project um is was
supposed to supposedly good for 17 years of lifespan so even better even better even better well you know so that'll be fantastic okay all right any other questions or comments from the group before I'm going
to let these guys enjoy their evening since they've been through enough meetings too i just want to say thank you Dave for everything that you have done um to move this forward so thank the group the group the group has really worked hard is is there too and I Good
good and and Dave Pacios thank you for your continued wisdom that you offer to me i've only gotten a little bit of push back from what are you doing you know you're not you're not a registered voter you're not a taxpayer but you're still
involved my comment to all of you and my answer to the question that I just posed from other people is that you can take Dave out of Lunberg but you can't take Lunberg out of Dave we're wondering what he's going to do
come May with town meeting you know that's that's up in the air that's going to be a a 24-hour decision based on believe it or not weather oh I was going to say I was going to say nobody sponsored them
oh I've I've got 12 sponsors already lined up that's not a problem you know me Dave i just kid with you i figured Oh yeah no I know i know okay excellent all right guys thanks again have a great evening thank you very much appreciate all the support you got it thanks guys
good luck Chris thank you thank you good night good night all right thanks guys okay i'm going to make this easy um I heard from Tyler no update on styrofoam what he's looking for is he's
going for a grant um to try to get the this thing kicked off because we have to get that container and things like that okay so no real update from him uh on on it um other than that I'm going to try
to make this quick and easy um Kim you sent out meeting minutes i did for March 3rd um I sent them out in the email maybe like a day or two after i didn't hear anything back about any changes so
so um anybody else have any issues with them no I thought it looked good i'll move that we approve them okay I'm going to throw a second since Chris was missing on that one so I'll throw a second we'll just do the vote and we'll
start chris your your thought um it sounds like a good project to me in so I Okay all right kim I Matt hi all right and I give an I so those are approved
great i'll send those over to Ellen okay excellent excellent um other than that this was the biggest thing so I'm going to fill you guys in dave already knows what happened is is that um the school you know obviously the schools are hurting for money as you every everybody
in town knows right so they were going looking at tableabling this project and the other side Oops hold on i got Dave here he dropped off and then he dropped back on so let me give him a minute so so the idea was that um they
were thinking about what would happen if they tabled this change the scope of the project or tabled it okay and they they were nice i didn't want to get everybody involved but they had um uh Dr gillson
set up a meeting with um UNATIL the contractor and green committee uh with um uh Kelly to discuss this and during that meeting what Kelly mentioned to her
mentioned and it wasn't untrue is that they had till 2026 or 2027 to close out the project so the thought was oh we'll keep it we'll just put this on the back burner for
now and we'll do it when we have some money and that's when I you know we had several email we had several conversations with the school committee directly to say "Look guys you do that and you tie the hands of the green committee from being able to apply for
any grants till this one's closed." So um we've explained to them what's going on we've explained to them in emails had lengthy conversations and today you heard the words that they're going to find the money and continue with this
project now the problem we have is the contract that they've been quoting with every time is I got to send it out to quote again every time there's a comment and he's already said that what has happened is since he first quoted and
now they've changed the refrigerant from grape juice to cranberry juice i really don't know but they changed the refrigerant so he's telling us that the con the contra the c the company that he uses which is uh
Dyken they don't have the system that he specified anymore this was using two one one main unit for every two heads and he they don't have that size right now available in the new cranberry juice so he was going to have to go requote and
at that point if he's re quoting my feeling and he's he was this guy has never mentioned to the school that if these things were integrated with the present system you're o you're up for multiple rebates even the mass save rebates so it threw
up a red flag to me to say "Let's look for another contract." Mhm at some point and that's why I'm saying is I'm not going to worry I I'd rather not be concerned with having this installed by August as to having the right system
installed that that that's that's that's for the school you know type of thing that and you know we all know that there's many people who make mini splits and if you ever saw the list the list is probably I think seven pages long of what
qualifies so it's not that hard to find a system that qualifies it's harder to find a contractor that has the best interest at heart so I kind of wanted to do that i didn't really have everybody involved because you know these meetings were thrown
together kind of halfway last minute and there was a lot of pe a lot of folks on here and it was mainly you know Dr gillson's trying to get this done but she's also trying to balance a budget with a lot of shortfalls so you know her
first thought was "Oh it's a $480,000 well it's a $170,000 project i can kick off the list." But it was also you know having to point out to the school committee that there's 300 you know
$330,000 that is getting free out of this well $310,000 free out of this $480,000 project you don't want to give that up um was really the key so just wanted you guys to make sure you know make sure you guys knew what
was going on behind the scenes anything else dave we a long time ago there was a conversation in a meeting and I can't tell you who was there for sure but I know uh Dr burnham was the one that mentioned
it i mean that this one for one change is not new to me at all it was it was way before we even put in the application that that change in the design of the units
was at least mentioned and as far as I understood the numbers that we put into the grant application reflected the one unit for one the one for one units not the one
for two units because that had already gone by the wayside so I don't know we're we're mixing things up here uh even some of the comments if you get a chance to um watch the uh school committee meeting
that emergency meeting this evening uh I chose to leave it alone but um you know there's there's a little bit of back and forth that's not accurate okay in any case we need to get to a point where we've got a good number
and I think if the project comes in much higher than a delta with a delta of more much higher than $170,000 I think this committee needs to think very strongly about whether we
return the $200,000 and go through another um application process in October um by the way Dave I I agree 100% i mean it's it you know there was a lot of work
done to get that number as low as 170 and um it it it definitely if the number comes in much well first of all it's not going to get funded if it's much higher than 170 and I mean we can look at other things
but that's the really the key is going to the key is going to be this whole project not uh not not just peacemailing it with because I I I I have no desire as as the rest of you have stated and the school committee stated I have no
desire in kicking this thing to the curb but if if it keeps growing out of control like it has uh you know that That's why we're in the position we are with some of the proposals that are coming to town meeting now they've been
put off for so long that the escalators have been way more than even the estimated escalators so it just goes up and it goes up and it goes up so if we can't cleanly move this project
forward and I agree even if we get pushed off to spring of 27 uh but if it's looking like that's even questionable with the numbers running out of control then we got to cut our losses turn that money back and reapply
for something we know is going to happen and and I think that's the important part for you guys to be aware of going forward is that if everybody's going to put all this energy into applying for a grant whatever's the match is going to
be required or the a bal balance above the maximum they're going to get through the grant has got to be committed before or at exactly the same time as the grant is applied for or you're going to run into this continuously
um I think the town manager has put the uh grant writing services back into the budget for $50,000 and part of the intent there is to help not only get uh grants but to
manage grants once they're awarded and she has some other ideas too i've had personal conversations with her um about other options for more support that's very inexpensive so do do I need to sell
you like a a 10T by 10T square on my property so that now you're a land owner in Lunberg yeah well it might have to be a little bit bigger than that because it needs to have a a dwelling that I can sleep in up here there is no limit on the minimum
size of a uh occupied dwelling in Massachusetts I'm pretty sure there's a minimum size okay so the plot would have to be big enough to put the minimum size bedroom one room that's all I require and uh you know once I once I lay my
head there for a few days I'm doiciled back in Lunenburgg and uh we go from there but you know at this point I'm a member of the public and I'm a member of this committee legally so you know I I don't plan to give up my input
um unless things change i was real concerned that the governor might not extend the uh remote access to open meetings and that would have been it i would have been done but uh I'm good on that matter till what 27 or so
yeah you you and the conservation kid man i don't know what they would do yeah yeah definitely okay excellent so so I'm I'm done rambling if there's anything else we needed to talk about okay so so guys oh Dave I did have one question what buildings were you guys talking
about i you know I I watched part of the school committee meeting then I jumped into our meeting uh for the audits that you guys were talking about earlier there with Matt and and Elsa and so on so it's uh So it's it's going to be on
the school side it's Turkey Hill yep and on the town side it's the public safety building okay okay so I'm figuring the figuring the public safety building is the next building that's what 20 years old yep and it's going to need something
and nobody's paid attention to that building either for years right right um the just just to add a little piece of something conversations that I had at the MM MMA conference uh a year ago January with
two or three different people in the 495 belt area that at the time you guys were talking about geothermal when I clicked in um and most of those were saying that the incentives that were available a
year year and a half ago were more conducive to new construction than they were to existing construction and the incentives were incredible yes as long as you did it again the way you needed to do it for
the incentives so I just add that as context nope understand agree agree okay so um I appreciate that Dave so guys that's about all I had for
tonight i'm looking at my time and my 90 minutes is up so I'm waiting for somebody to say something here right about now yeah dave what what do you think about May are we going to wait till after town meeting to meet or or what do you think i I'm I know I'm
jumping ahead a bit but I mean I cons I I consider that first Monday in May for to getting together but that is that after town meeting no so we can I don't believe so we can talk about that getting together then you
know is it yeah town meeting Saturday and fifth is meeting is the right so yeah so I'd say it's okay okay I was thinking backward Oh so does any Oh that's right anybody
have a problem with meeting on Cinco de Mayo can I bring my margarita we need a Rio Bravo or something that'll work i was going to say the back room of as long as I can have an internet connection it is a Zoom meeting then right so we're all
Yeah hey see you there yeah um I know you're just keeping it on the agenda for you know until we do something with it but the committee configuration um based on what Annie sent us there a
couple of weeks ago uh and Tyler we've got three people sitting in the wings waiting for some action on whether or not we're going to appoint the two positions uh associate positions although I I do
think that they really should be alternates rather than associates yeah so um Yeah yeah i agree with Dave so if you can um um throw me a quick email we might we refresher of uh Annie and just to just to just so I have everybody okay
just so just so you're aware we don't have Annie anymore i know yeah okay yeah so it's I only bring it up because we still need to move forward with it but you know it's it's probably going to end up being on the town manager's
uh plate or somebody you know uh Julie I don't I don't know who it'll end up being uh because the select board will on once they get past elections then they will start into reappointing season and I think that
would be the time to ask for the adjustment to the membership of the committee um and fill all the seats yep i'm I'm with you i'm with you and I definitely believe that Yeah having it as an alternate just changes the voting for everybody so it's easier right right
you you've seen how that works out for you guys in zoning board of appeals yeah and I I think all committees should be set up that way so that they they virtually shouldn't almost never have a problem
with quorum sounds perfect okay i And yeah mine my head's getting a little bit better so I'll be uh I'll be ready to tackle that in May with everything okay I'm done talking you got it all right so on that note anybody want to make a motion
motion to adjurnn any second second second excellent all right all in favor i roll call oh sorry roll call all right passios i Snider hi Duffy hi Olden hi
Then I I for black all right guys enjoy it sorry I missed the snow and we'll talk to you guys soon good night everybody good night everybody thank you good night