##VIDEO ID:2s0Q-65L24k## take I was I was oh looks like we're on air we must be ready to go 601 yes that's you can you kill the volume on that give me a second hello hello hello did it go away kind of not yet I should not be going all the way out probably I think the simple fix would be just muting your machine I did oh okay so are we I think we're good now they fixed it okay great excuse me um well uh just be we open the meeting I want to let people know that um 494 electric AV has requested a continuance uh through no fault of their own so if you are here for 494 electric EV you don't need to be tonight all right and with that I want to say good evening and thank you everyone for joining us for this the January 27th 2025 meeting of the lunenberg planning board we are here at our beautiful upstairs meeting room at Town Hall the meeting is being recorded if you are watching this meeting at home and you want to participate you can go ahead and log in with zoom or call in on your phone with zoom um the link for that and the number are right on our agenda on the town website and or you can drive down and join us here as always yeah I would say I am the host of Zoom this evening and it seems there seems to be an issue because I don't have the pro the regular equipment just make people we okay yeah may not be able to smoothly participate yeah so we are making trying to figure it out yep we are making do with a slight uh equipment issue but we'll get through and uh yes say me being recorded I believe that is all we need if there's anyone who wants to lead us in the pledge we can have it excuse me I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right all right that is our opening and public comment seeing none I'll move us on chair and director's reports uh Mr chair through board I don't have much other than I was going to bring up the master plan Project M um and it seems to be sort of stalled again we got to figure out how to move that forward and brainstorming it one thing I thought of is you know this is the planning board's project that occurs at your direction so maybe we just ask the consultant for a complete draft with the implementation action items included and then we go to the various land use related boards committees and commissions if you look at the master plan steering committee a lot of it is representatives of those various bodies and if we can't get that group together or you know it's we're struggling to do that U then maybe we just go directly to the source and try to get it on agenda of each of those boards committees and commissions and get some input and get this project closed out I I think that's the only way forward at this point in a expeditious manner so um something for the board to think about we can talk about the next meeting I'm just kind of launching this at you so well we have uh we have on our agenda tonight for the master plan steering committee for board discussions okay so we can um hit that at that point as well a little more um I know Tim and I will both have a at least a little info there and great anything else Mr director no that's all I have all right great um then I we have um one anr tonight and a couple public hearings so let's dig in first up we have an approval not required for for 763 massive uh just for our friends watching us at home an approval not required is always a funny thing because the board has to we don't approve we endorse an approval not required um but here we are thank you good evening my name is Steve ballad from Haley Ward um we have a three lot anr on massav it's the formal Funeral Home matelli Funeral Home site um there is an existing septic for the funeral home but they're going to convert it to sewer and the configuration of lot two with that narrow area that goes between Chestnut and massav is to allow for the sewer to go to massav for the town bylaws that it has to be on their own property the sewer line so that's why it looks the way it looks but there's area enough area for that lot without that narrow down section okay um so I am uh so thank you um I haven't had a chance to look at the Board of Health comment yet but so we may ask you a couple questions that don't factor into our decision-making process but you'll hear us ask them because we've had situations where um even experienced Engineers have been like oh uh oh wait a minute and we don't want people to create their own hardship in the technical sense or even just in the general making your own life more difficult sense um so it looks like you did submit to the Board of Health and got a response from them so great um and okay I'm I'm looking at the plan I see that you're the old funeral home and that is divided up into three lots okay I haven't had a chance to review this one that's okay looking myself um if we have questions or anything feel free to shoot them out as we go and this meets the minim this is what is this this yeah this is residence oh residence a limited business okay and this meets the minimum lot size for The Limited business residential district yes okay re see Frontage right any questions for the applicant no all right with no questions uh we could certainly have a motion if you're happy with it you could move to endorse the anr for 763 massav uh motion to endorse uh anr for 763 Mass second moved and seconded any further discussion seeing none uh votes have to you know before we do a vote M Reed could you just speak up so we know that we can hear you tonight I'm here thank you great love it uh and what I'll do is I will go down the line and M Reed I will call you after Mr Wilner um okay uh because we have one member remote tonight it is a roll call vote Mr McLoud I Mr Allison hi Mr Wilmer hi M Reed I and an I from myself easy peasy very good do you have a m I think you have the you have the Miler I don't do we not have the is it in the rolls over there P chance I don't see a over here looks like it might be the outermost on one I could be wrong often our our admin assistant brings everything over he wounded up not being able to be here tonight so there's a little bit of us going oh Logan does that they no Myer okay the Myer didn't make it okay um you do have it I it was with the yeah oh no we're not questioning if you provided a Mya I wouldn't be here if that wasn't there this is purely um no this have nothing to do with you apologies we should be here we should be endorsing yep we're not um okay if we we will arrange having the board members Mr chair come in yeah I'll say get into the office as quickly as we can to get that signed for you right but it's here all good all right thank you thank you rock and roll check that off next up would be uh again the public hearing for I see no one knew but being thorough the public hearing for 494 electric AV has asked for continuance we'll go through that at the end of the public hearings moving on to 558 and 560 Goodrich Street for sto uh uh a storm water management permit and a special permit for a common driveway Mr chair while he signing up through you to the board just an update on this application we did have the peer reviewer uh submit his most recent comments I think it was Friday okay that's Friday and I forward him to the planning board all right all right great great take it away all right uh for the record Chris Anderson with handing and Engineering here on behalf of Easter Brook Nomine trust uh we were before the board a couple meetings ago now I think uh for the special permit to effectively turn an existing common driveway into a common driveway under the current bylaws if you will um as you can see here on the plan in front of you we have goodward street that runs along the side of the page um and the rest of the development kind of extending off of that um we did receive peer rview comment uh from graves engineering as well as the various Town departments um I'll go over the comments from graves engineering because they kind of lead into a couple more of the department comments if you will um specifically Graves brought up uh two major points relative to the design of the uh the common driveway uh specific spefically the radi um at the uh intersection with Goodridge Street uh we did request a waiver to reduce that down to 15 in order to make it a little bit more uh user friendly if you will on the site uh we took a second look at it um based on review from both Graves as well as the fire department um and we were able to realign everything and make it a little bit more user friendly so we did uh we were able to get the 30ft radi on the souly intersection um upon further investigation it was difficult to get the 30ft on the south on the North side if you will uh primarily because there's a 36in Oak in the way um as such we reviewed with the fire department um to make them comfortable with acceptance of this reduction um effectively we provided the various turning Maneuvers for the largest vehicle that the fire department currently has and it can easily accommodate the entire maneuver without crossing over the uh edge of pavement or interfering with any anything else both going north and coming into the site and exiting um I did review that with Chief Sullivan um and he did respond in favor of that reduction um through the open go portal so uh we did address that and that coincides similarly to what Graves had requested uh they think 30 foot is a little excessive in this application um and that 20 foot is a little bit more user friendly so uh we did address that comment um the third comment was relative to the depth of the uh existing pavement on the site uh the current pavement thick is about 4 in uh per the landowner they designed the road um the owner is a developer uh so they are very familiar with pavement um but the current driveway does take large uh farm equipment and other deliveries so they designed it it'll be a little bit more heftier um portions of the driveway are a little bit rougher shaped than others uh so in areas uh during or during construction uh we're more than amendable to doing the Institute testing to confirm the depth and cleaning up any uh damaged pavement along the way to make sure that it doesn't deteriorate any further um Graves reviewed the storm water and uh calculations and found them to be in order um the outlining comments came from the uh fit or the lunenberg sorry fire department which echoed the concern about the radi which we addressed um Building Department raised a question relative to the parcels uh specifically um a parcel configuration relative to 560 Goodrich which is when the Lots being serviced um effectively there's two 560 Parcels on the assessor Maps um just because of the how the land was acquired over time um they're under common ownership same owner owns both properties and is the nominee trust as well so as pending a favorable action by the board and anr is going to be submitted regardless to try to separate the lot or separate the lots to gain the the extra lot and that lot can be consolidate into one at that time so we'll stay below the four lot threshold um and Board of Health uh raised a question relative to well regulations um pending also a favorable action by the board our next step is to go in front of the uh Board of Health uh we did do the appropriate testing and laid everything out so we are able to provide a fully compliant uh septic and well on the site as well so um besides that that was pretty much the last remaining comments um from the various departments and peer review uh if there's any questions from the board I'll be more happy to answer them so um making sure I've got my mind around everything fire department has reviewed with the new radii and is satisfied correct and Graves reviewed the new radii did I I mean did Graves review the new radi was there a comment there or so the radi question came up in their initial review y uh they said a 20ft radi is more uh accable Ander to the fire department and understood thank you um understand the septic what I don't think I fully understood what the building department concern was could you explain that to me a little bit so sure so if you look at the current assessors Maps um specifically the gis um it looks like the driveway is servicing four properties right now you have 564 good R Street uh which is effectively the house right on the road um and then you have two 560s 560 good Rich Street and 560 good Rich Street rear um with two different paral numbers the only reason that's there is because the landowner acquired it at different phases so that's why he threw the flag at that so they're under common ownership same owner everything it's going to be effectively Consolidated to one lot as part of the anr process but you're not going to do the anr till you know everything's Coop pathetic and cool yes okay understood um great I would turn to the board and say what questions or thoughts do we have seeing none um this is a public hearing I would invite members of the public if you are watching at and uh is there anyone in our Zoom waiting room or I assume you're checking that I have no yeah okay great um okay um again if you're watching at home and want to speak up go ahead and use that hand raised feature and otherwise um members of the public here any public comment seeing none okay um seems to me like everything feels in order now I don't know how other what others see but I don't now would we need to condition anything on this if we were to approve for additional um you know standard conditions plus would we is there anything we would need I don't know like I don't think it matters in this case but do we need to condition that it's contingent upon the anr happening or anything for things to work out correctly or does that really matter it doesn't really matter it's just a hard stop fine with that I just want to um okay terms of the Comm and derve way the main you talked about maintenance yep some provision for you know recording on the deed that it is to be maintained privately or by the property owners um that's not in your standard conditions necessarily yeah uh we do have a requirement and have you uh put forward I I don't remember the exact requirements in that bylaw so I apologize um did you put forward a a method for the driveway to be maintained by the multiple owners is that already is that it's kind of already written in the that they currently operated right now um but as part of I think the building permit process that documents had to be prepared and provided to the building department regardless okay so I think that's your catch if you will far lack of a better term that prior to occupancy of the structure or anything like that um that threshold has to be provided in order for the common driveway to be quote unquote legal okay all right great um any other questions or I have a question so this is servicing two two existing homes and a third one to be constructed is that the case so currently the driveway services three properties three properties uh the 560 Goodridge Street uh the 558 good rid Street 560 is further up the hill back off the property 558 is um pretty much right off the page to the top right and then you have 564 sorry 564 which is M lot in the street so um you have three current Lots with this we would get the additional fourth lot uh which would be located right where the house is showing on the plan now so I guess my question well that brings up another question I didn't think we allowed common driveways for more than two buildings did we before we did not before the current bylaw right so there's already three existing served and they're going to construct the fourth how did that work how how pre-existing that was many years ago this is back in the 90s um different regulations different review processes okay um now if if the maintenance agreement needs to be recorded on the deed uh is that going to be a a reissue of a deed for the typically you can put a notice on the deed so that you can put a notice on the deed so that it's recorded with the chanted title okay very good yeah that was my concern I guess all right um and sounds like Graves is happy with storm water so good um there was also the question about waivers would were there additional waivers besides the radi uh the radi and the alternative turnaround area so the local bylaw requires you to have I think it's like an 8x2 turnoff area about halfway through or so many feet um we currently have an existing culdesac that's already there and it functions at a higher level than a turnoff area does currently so if anybody were to get into the site they can easily hit the culde saac turn around and get out and that was uh a and that was and uh Fire and Fire Department was fine with that correct Department was amendable to that as well great okay cuz that's I mean that's largely I view I view that as their perview because they're the ones who need to drive the big trucks so I only bring it up a procedural point point go ahead I only brought it up because we typically need to make a vote on that a yay or nay condition before we close the hearing yeah is that what you were going to say V vote on the waivers individually yes yeah so the waivers are for the Turning radi and uh to have the turnaround be as represented on the plan as proposed representative plan of record okay that is approved yep all right so let's get those out of the way um could I have we have to do them separately so could I have a motion uh motion to approve waiver for turning radius second and do we need to specify um as present as presented on the plan as presented on the approved plans say as a presented presented on the approval plan and it's usually a roll call vote okay and second that all right moved and seconded any further discussion seeing none all in favor Mr McLoud hi Mr Allison hi Mr Wilmer hi Miss Reed I and an i for myself great and now we need the turnaround as well um sorry this is another waiver yeah another W motion it could be motion to uh approve a waiver for the required turnarounds on the common driveway um to be as presented in the plan of record so moved second moved and seconded any further discussion seeing none all in favor Mr McLoud I Mr Allison hi Mr Wilmer hi Miss Reed hi and an I from myself great we've got those squared away um any other questions or thoughts on the public hearing before we close it last chance to ask those deep-seated questions that I don't think we have cuz to me it seems straightforward now storm water management what's that have we seen anything about the storm water management uh that was reviewed with Graves man he had no comment have we talked about it or I think as part of the pro I think we have in general we can dive into it more specifically now certainly I just I'm just curious if we had or not I don't remember hearing anything about it um could we get a quick summary of the storm water plan please correct all right uh so the majority of the site storm water design is accommodated using a series of infiltration trenches primarily along the proposed expansion of the actual driveway um elsewhere it's only a small increase of Pavement in one way or the other uh so there's really no need to capture that as much uh we compensate for that by providing that infiltration trench that along run along the down gradient portion of it that will capture the runoff as it hits the um uh the driveway um allow for infiltration and recharge and then anything in large events will just over flam flow and continue on its way uh the proposed house will have its own drywell system uh which will capture the roof runoff and provide additional uh mitigation offsets for the uh the driveway as well as the house um we're located well outside the 100 foot buffer zone to the Wetland so we don't have to do conservation filings um so that's pretty much how we accomplish it because the the driveway is already there so the Pavements been there established for quite a few decades at this point in time all right that's better do we have any uh additional questions about storm water or anything else right seeing none if the board has has no more questions for the applicant we could have a motion to close the public hearing for 550 the public hearings for 558 and 560 good Street for the storm water management permit and for the special permit for the common driveway so moved second moved and seconded forther discussion all in favor Mr McLoud I Mr Allison hi Mr Wilmer hi Miss re I and an I from myself great great thank you thank you very much and we'll get that anr into you guys okay great now let's uh now we still have to deliberate and do the formal vote and everything but yeah all right um seems like the Ducks are in a row for additional conditions um we need to include that the I think it I don't think we have official standard I don't remember if we have standard conditions for the driveways or not presumably not this time so we also besides standard conditions we need to include um a condition on the um special permit that the uh M that the that I don't know what the term is but that the communal main maintenance is required and needs to be and that should be recorded with the deed do we have any other special conditions we do have standard conditions on Drive oh we do okay great does that includ Bas on yep great decisions permits that were issued this past summer by Mr Harris and I believe those did include the de the uh recording with the deed correct I will tell you in a little bit I just got to okay now also after he looks at that the question needs to be brought is there going to be any difference between those approvals and the new ones because that was the old bylaw and this is the new bylaw um the ones done with Mr um oh my goodness uh I'm forgetting Richard's last name Good Golly but with Richard Harris thank you the ones done with Mr Harris were under the new bylaw are you sure I didn't think they were but okay think so I am not seeing anything about a HMA or a uh private maintenance okay so we do need to add a special condition um the the uh maintenance of the common driveway whatever form that looks like needs to be recorded on the deed four months blah blah blah Roan Control preconstruction meeting uh all the applicants owners and their successors and ases must maintain all coverts collection basins traps retention detention ponds Outlet structures and other elements this is the drainage so um there's nothing here about maintaining the road driveway itself okay so we do need like so that means we do need a special condition to record um the both that that that the drive way is community maintained and whatever the maintenance plan for that is I would disagree I would say that would be a new standard condition for this type of a thing I I don't disagree I don't know if we can just say we're throwing in a standard condition now I don't know how that well it would be new for this one but it would be standard for future if I may yeah I put one in a decision you're going decide later on that we discussed at the last meeting to this issue it's a special condition because we didn't have it in the C okay that I could identify at the time and we haven't identified it since so special conditions one a legal framework must be provided for continuing maintenance of common areas such as a Home Owners Association to be recorded on all property Deeds hearing all right now I'm sorry is that was for storm water or for the common driveway that's for uh continuing maintenance of common areas which would be the road all common areas so the special permit for the common driveway yes okay and I I would think that would be a standard condition for the storm water that was that is one of our standard conditions for storm water that there has to be a if it's communal has to have a maintenance plan I I'm I'm I'm I'm suggesting that we in the future look at having that be a standard condition of the common driveways as well it should be cuz the roadway exactly full agre does affect drainage obviously but but in and of itself it needs to be maintained and replaced privately whether or not it needs to be a special condition for this specific application I correct I don't yeah no you have my full agreement we need to good get that in there um okay so sounds like storm water management permit we have to have these votes separately anyway uh storm water management department sounds like can be approved with standard conditions um remember there being anything okay so we could have a motion to approve the storm water management permit for uh 558 and 560 Goodridge street with all uh with standard conditions uh so moved seconded moved and seconded any other discussion all right all in favor Mr McLoud hi Mr Allison hi Mr Wilmer hi Miss Reed hi and an I from myself great um hearing no objections and just worry thinking about the details uh we could have a motion to approve the spe so by the way special permit vote does require a super majority so it doesn't need three of us it needs four of us um just general note uh approve the special permit for the common driveway with standard conditions and the special condition uh regarding maintenance as specified earlier by Mr O'Reilly so moved second moved and seconded uh any further discussion all right all in favor Mr McLoud hi Mr Allison I Mr Wilmer hi Miss Reed I and an I from myself boom shakalaka so we'll get that decision written up and we'll review it and sign next meeting great thank you very much thank you glad we can get that taken care of next up would be the storm water management permit for 255 Sunny Hill Road good evening evening just for the record Justin lir mccardy engineering here tonight on behalf of the owner for 255 Sunny Hill Road so at the last meeting Mr maret was here he presented this plan that you see in front of you single family house along Sunny Hill a drainage sale on the left- hand side that's managing the pipe that comes off of Sunny Hill Road septic system in the middle and then detention Basin at the bottom of the hill since then we did receive a comment letterer from graves engineering this past Friday they had seven comments in total the majority of them were they were in agreement with the drainage design the hydrocad all the modeling things of that nature the open-ended items were one a detail of a rep wrap sale the one show on the left hand side of the plant to be provided we did provide that in a revised set plans that we did send over this afternoon to Logan and Mr O'Reilly has the hard copies the second comment was temporary entrance sperm to be added down at the bottom of the page we did show a temporary construction entrance burm coming into where the existant driveway is and then the last comment was regarding the construction of the sale this one I just want to read real quick and talk about so Graves engineering comment reads from existent ground elevation 507 to Elevation 545 the plant proposed to construct the r w sale and Elevate our fill condition with areas adjacent to a sale lower than the sale gei recommends that to the extent possible the S be constructed by Escavating into Nave ground to minimize the potential of water to breach the sides of the sale so this sale specifically is being put in to handle the discharge of the pipe that comes off from Sunny Hill The Way That We grade this out and have it constructed is we're trying to match the existing grade as is but keep that flow on our property towards our infil ation Basin right now that pipe just spouts out to our property and it naturally erodes down towards the left you can see the house kind of in the top left corner off the page a little bit there's a little bit of erosion so to help fix one of the town's issues we're just putting it on our property putting it in a RI wrap sale and directing it to our Basin the way that soil is constructed to help m that potential blowout that gei is concerned about is again trying to maintain slopes as close to existent great as possible but that soil is going to be constructed with a non-woven geotextile fabric at the bottom and then 8 in or larger rip wrap Stone in that so it will be beefed up it will be armored to help eliminate that potential issue so with that those were really their only comments the are ones were they found it to be in compliance with the sowar handbook they found to be in compliance with the town of lunberg so more regulations and no our issues so any questions from the board I'd be happy to answer um not for you yet but other qu I I don't see Graves questions in the share Drive am I missing it uh yeah they're in there um Sunny Hill Road gei peer review one am I oh yeah no you mean right up at the top where it says gei PE yeah yeah no you can ignore me first dang thing right there Logan put it real obvious at the top there we go um weirdly I found I have the habit of reading things backwards I often start the bottom or on books I start at the right hand side which isn't super useful it turns out been told it's a left-handed thing um okay great um now uh Mr Riley I Mr Riley I have a uh I I'm looking through uh your report and um are we uh where is it oh okay this is the one with the issue of the taxes doesn't say yeah the tax issue is that you know anything about the that has been resolved the check was cashed on actually I think this past Thursday it was okay so I can check that and prior to the signing of the decision at the next meeting yes goes for it doesn't we we'll assume that's true yeah and I do have the receipt in my email from the owner of the check being cashed up from his end so he saw in his bank account that the check had cleared okay yeah I just need clearance from the tax collector yep so we'll have that before this decision is sign at the next meeting but CH okay so but we are able if we W if the board wishes we are able to move forward tonight now yeah because until the decision is actually signed and filed with the town clerk it's you can approve on the record but that could be a procedural thing that could stop it great okay super um one sec I apologize excuse me all right okay so questions um questions for the applicant I have a question yeah please excuse me so uh the review comment about the soil uh recommended that it be in virgin soil and I don't think you said one way or another whether it was or it was not so there is an I have to walk away from the mic but you can take it with you maybe not no I don't have Rin it so there is here we're going to cut slope there's just a little section here in this part where you can see the Contours that coming up just a little bit that's the fill so it's not like we're in a 3 foot F it's maybe a couple inches to a foot where that's the fill condition that's what grav is pointing out again the biggest thing is the way that this slope is trying to maintain the natural gr up the sale to the slope you do end up with this little trade off and cut the fill so they just they're not commenting to change it they're just making the comment to point out that hey just be aware of these certain areas and again two big things is or three sorry is maintain the natural grade which is the important thing for a site like this especially where the grades are so steep the woven fabric that'll be put at the bottom of the sale is another feature to help eliminate that potential breakout and then again the 8 in rip wrap is oversized for that type of well per the calculations that we get in the back of a book so we are doing what I would deem adequate to help prevent that potential issue the other thing to point out is during the 100e storm that Swale is seen less than one CFS of water so it's not a running River coming down that pipe so it again if it was 2050 CFS then there could would be that concern it's less than one CFS and the just aligning everything in my mind again I'm looking so we have the comments from graves dated January 24th you've gotten back to them since then then today today and did Graves respond to your response yet no they haven't had a chance I um we received the email I believe Friday at like 3:30 so I'm just trying to make yep I I didn't know if if I if I was missing another response um in from the previous experiences that we've had working back and forth with Graves the ments aren't anything that we weren't expecting yeah it's very consistent with what they've done for other projects that we've done in front of the board so in in our eyes the comments were simple enough to address here's your updated plans yeah I just wanted the board to see it tonight so that way they know it's being taken care of okay um all right do we wish to uh I mean first of all other questions or thoughts from the board we'll start there I don't want to move us forward too quickly seeing none um do we wish to close the hearing and deliberate tonight do we wish to get a response from graves first on the fixes I understand that I understand the argument that these are very straightforward things to address I understand the argument of wanting to wait and be certain um please please one thing that's why I want to close it yet the biggest thing with their comments is that they had no issue with the design itself yeah the hydrocad design the star model anything like that the comments that they brought up were minor technical comments to address on the plan set yeah so th this is really what you'd be seeing yeah all right no waivers requested correct nope um and I don't remember I know there weird rules about it can we approve can I say contingent upon but I know contingent mean all these words have legal meanings I don't know can we approve with the condition that Graves is satisfied with yes the responses okay great um do we still need to technically open it to the public oh yeah we do need to have public comment thank you you're right um no public in the room do we have public that wish to speak in Zoom seeing none as always if I if you want to speak get that hand up use that hand raised feature and we Loosey Goosey with public comment we like it when people talk um all right I feel like we're in personally I feel like we're in a good place to move forward um I don't know how others feel but um if people are satisfied we could have a motion to close the public hearing for 255 Sunny Hill Road uh motion to close the public hearing for 255 Sunny Hill Road second moved and seconded all in favor Mr McLoud I Mr Allison I Mr i m Reed I and an I from myself great public hearing is closed um now let's AB C and D liberate um yeah I mean if Graves is happy I get everything that's been said we could um I mean is there other discussion to be had seeing none we could move to approve the storm water management permit to for 255 Sunny Hill Road with um standard conditions and also with the special condition that um that gr that I don't know what the word exact wording would be that we can move forward with this can go forward once gra says yeah we're good with the responses so moved second and before I have us vote Chris we do have in storm water that it has to the maintenance has to be record oh wait this isn't a this is a single family lot so still need to be recorded yeah okay it does all right okay that's in standard great moved and seconded further discussion I'll bring it up after okay all in favor Mr McLoud I Mr Allison I Mr Wilmer i m Reed I and an I from myself boom you're good um just when you move on to your next item I would like to ask could you deliberate 171 Arbor Street first I know this is the decision with the new Common Drive totally totally cool get we're also the client too so yeah no than thank you for asking that we're happy to um I just want to finish out close out public hearings first which is with a continuance so it'll be quick yeah no worries um all right final uh 494 electric AV has requested a continuance is that to our next meeting yes um 210 okay motion to continue public hearing for 494 Electric Avenue to the February 10th meeting meeting at 6:05 p.m. at 6:05 p.m. second moved and seconded all in favor Mr McLoud hi Mr Allison hi Mr Wilner hi Miss Reed hi and an I from myself great again if you're just tuning in now 494 electric a did request a continue in since through no fault of their own and uh hopefully we will be here with Bell on to look at it on the 10th okay we're moving on to reviewing our decisions and I'm going to move us to 171 Arbor Street first because representative the applicants here and that way if anything has to be addressed they're here cool let me go back okay so we do not have the written decisions in our um or oh I see what decisions what try in the SharePoint try go to it's not in the individual files it's in for me it's in oh yeah I see unnamed files so that's fine it's problem but yep no check it's there somewhere cool great that way I can just it's the second unnamed document got it for Mr chair is this the issue of the special condition that the board wanted to consider before signing the decision I see I put a special condition in there that reflected that after looking at the meeting watching the video I believe that captures the discussion and deliberation at the time that said can we revise the conditions Prior to signing the decision while approving it this evening at the last meeting and I said yes so okay great that was the additional issue that uh was going to be motioned okay great signed as part of the file decision okay and I see that at the end wonderful I was just reviewing it and getting my mind around it quickly myself um looks fine to me I don't know what others are thinking okay all right hearing no concerns we don't need to vote do or do we need to vote on no you already voted that's why so we just signed right approve and U now it's just signing the decision to be filed so um and unless you want to add a condition that you didn't previously deliberate on or identify but that would have to be highly consistent with motion to approve at the last meeting yes so it it's now it's signing the decision if it looks good you okay there's five decisions there I was able to print them all out unfortunately but so you'll have to they're in no particular order but U well there rather than fish them out I'm going to have us look through these since we don't need to do this like in a legally technical way we can look through them review and then if we're happy we'll hand it down inside but I'm hearing no concerns about 171 Arbor Street so we're going to be signing no I look I you're should be fine I can't promise you someone's not going to say OMG way but I I have no reason to think that'll be the case no I just I know it's a first going through the common Drive special permit so I just want to make sure there's no concerns before I left yep no it sounds like everyone's happy I I can send you a copy of it that doesn't have the signatures but okay no well if there's any issues email myself for Brian tomorrow okay we'll take care of that and we're just going to do all the signing once we go through all the decisions okay great thank you thank you and now with no public in the room and no public in Zoom ooh you what that means y'all watching at home you should log into Zoom just so you can comment you don't have to do that all right I'm just taking a moment myself to double check and see that everything matches my memory I want to break your concentration Mr chair but go ahead okay so you'll see in those decisions cuz there you know several different permitting um sections of the bylaw so there are three different sets of standard conditions one for common driveway one for storm water and um site plan review mhm that's what we have right now okay for use with the deliberations and decisions s plan approv right yeah well I I make sure it says that but yeah that's yeah what's my concern so now be would be a good time for me to bring up the point that I was that came to mind before um so with the storm water permits it doesn't matter if it's a single lot or multiple Lots still needs to be recorded that the maintenance is required on individual Lots yes the additional requirement comes when there's multiple lots that all depend on a similar drainage system we have to set we have to have I don't know if that would be a standard or if that would be a special but if it's a special then we're going to have to think of it every time it's more than one lot if it's a standard condition and it doesn't apply it can just float in the Nethers right I mean it doesn't matter if it's a condition that there be a maintenance agreement between the multiple Lots if it's only one lot could we do a standard in that way yes awesome and and that's simply you um we should do it in public hearing advertis as a public hearing where you're amending and adopting new standard operating procedures oh we're going to we should probably do it for more than one thing then yeah so um we should get everything looked at I think but that's just my and in the meantime we can put that as a special condition it won't be me yes but yeah all right so they're both just to rehash they're both for maintenance but one of them is is on the deed requiring it be done and the other one is an agreement between the land owners assuring that it will be done in an adequate fashion because we put in that uh we put in that comment if we put in that condition to have it on the deed that it maintenance needs to be done because we we found that um see I'm glad you mentioned that and that JS you know jogs the memory and goes oh yeah because we were frustrated that we'd approve all this stuff and then the next owner would likely be clueless there's a um yeah I don't know if I should bring this up do it do it no guts you won't do it you won't do it no there's a larger issue or can of worms here sort of the 800 lb gorilla that um what drives the need for a single family storm water permits um over what is going arai with our subdivision approval process because normally all the drainage for all the Lots should be taken care of with subdivision approval under the subdivision Control Act your local Rags an anr is what's going AR yeah okay right so you're saying the Lots anr process ties our hands we can say all we want and we can tell them well this is a requirement for that and that and that but they can ignore us all they want too because we have no teeth in the anr process we get you saying additional impervious or there's additional impact on lots that didn't exist when the subdivision was approved well I'm also going to mention that that the only we we almost never get a single family home construction for storm water management because they almost never disturb more than an acre and almost always it's New Lots going in however we did try at one point to get all the storm waterer management required for an individual law on that law so that they didn't have to have homeowners association or any such thing how however some layouts some designs they don't do that and they they put it all together as five Lots in one drainage system and that would require not only be recorded on five different Lots but it would also require an instrument that that that facilitated the uh agreement or or monetary contribution by the individual lot owners well yeah there's some things that the town is not going to accept yeah so drainage systems that they aren't going to ex we're not going to maintain this because we can't it's not designed to town standards this would come up normally in the definitive subdivision so we don't get many definitive subdivisions would actually be I I think the component one sec 17 171 was our first definitive subdivision since that I can remember yeah no we don't get many definitive subdivisions a lot what we get a lot of is um someone owns or buys a multi-unit piece of land or not multi- a multi-acre piece of land and they hire Engineers to carve it up into multiple lots that all have appropriate Frontage so it doesn't Okay so that's not a definitive subd yeah so it doesn't need to be lot was created let's say maybe who knows yeah but not through a definitive subdivision yeah that's very we get very few definitive subdivisions and many more um because we have the reduced Frontage Lots um we just get a lot more um okay so then it's it's it would be absolutely necessary that there'd be a private mechanism for maintenance yeah because the town could never maintain any of that correct okay nor should we right y they can maintain the drainage in the road and will continue to anyway yes but as to whether leaves the lot on the a Butters okay yep I got it yep no we got very very few and um frankly with our and I don't think this is bad one bit with our common drive with our new common driveway bylaw um that removes more cases where someone might have done a subdivision um not as many because you it doesn't actually give Frontage where you can't get Frontage already so you can't make a new road to get Frontage that way but yeah no it's you can get a little they can get creative enough and serve it with a common driveway which is fine I'm I I don't view that as a negative because a common driveway is maintained by the owners not by the town so we don't need to worry as long as there's not a public safety issue or a yeah yeah okay yep no fair question um great these decisions look fine to me if I hear no objections I'm going to start signing and passing I I do notice that it's a my first name has been changed to Jeff I'm sorry my first name has been changed to Jeff with a G where I think well I can't say every single one of them but it should be Glenn I don't know if it's easier for me to change my name in the header and up on top because there's yeah oh loading yeah Jeff McLoud it was wrong for a while while it finally got corrected now it yeah it did get corrected and now it's but I can give you an excuse but we're using the soft I'm not going to give you an excuse we'll fix it so that's the front page so I can yeah you can change that right yeah okay doesn't affect anything what I'm going to do is I'm going to pass this down the top page Glenn when you get it cuz you move it to the bottom cuz it's actually the last page okay can I borrow your pen please sure thank now the the ones that don't require the super majority can go with three signatures right but Amanda still needs to sign yes site plan review but Amanda still needs to sign the common driveway one well yes well do does she the decision was filed as oh yeah majority okay but I mean without M Amanda is still a super majority but I I don't know oh wait cuz it was unanimous then I think we are yeah it's it's not it's reflected in the decision so it's not essentially she sign in other words it wouldn't be rejected okay Town Clerk and then would it be better if M Reed can come down it would be better by okay sure because I can come tomorrow and son I have no problem doing that I'm still alive don't worry I don't know you say that but I've seen puppies your puppy seems to be very well behaved because I don't hear any he's sleeping don't let it fool you there's no such thing as a well- behaved puppy gets worse as I go I mean it says a man with two 50 60 lb pit balls that insist their lap dog so I I can't might not be the best judge oh sorry I all right realized keeping it in hand I stole that one downstairs before the last meeting Eng glad you moved all the signing pages to the back of each one thank you cuz otherwise we made a heck of a mess it depends on the circumstances but generally planning board member who voted on an issue should sign the final document they are part of the majority that approved it does not say must it's I know that they've allow it they allow all right so Amanda that means if you don't come down and sign them you will get some very Stern looks but that's it I mean the town C I'll come sign them tomorrow and you need up the rest of us to come in and sign ASAP for the my for yep for the my for the anr okay and we should be able to swing by the office as early as tomorrow I assume yeah it'll be sitting right on the okay great thank you perfect love it let me exit out of a bunch of Windows here just so I can kind of clean up my own apologies to Glen we've got to that just keeps coming back alternatively have you considered that you could just change your name to Jeff but it's with a G who's Jeff cuz it was in there I don't know I I have no idea when I was a kid I definitely read that name because I I read a lot of like books by English authors as a kid so I definitely read that as g off and I would be um I'm somewhat ashamed at the age at which I realized the name was not that um all right so decisions check zoning workshop for fall town meeting accessory dwelling units in flood plane map updates Okay so we've got some um as promised yep some zoning the Adu bylaw and the U flood plane bylaw and I sort of teed this up a little bit for you both are State mandates or requirements those should be done by annual town meeting this spring and so what you have in your um staff report or is a the Adu uh by law that we've generated internally that is consistent with the state mandate and uh reflects some of the protections that we've added locally um so that it you know if you want to do which you can under the new law at the state statute U have a detached Adu in addition to uh an Adu that's already approved on the property do thing more than 1 Adu uh it requires a special permit so additional permitting that we normally require for that level of permissiveness so that's that you've already looked at it there's nothing really different from what you looked at in the fall we've cleaned it up there's been some more guidance and promulgation from the state it's a moving Target of course because it's the state but so we're tracking that we're cleaning it up we'll continue to do that as we have maybe two or three more zoning workshops before the warrant closes and um I'll point out any sort of adjustments tweaks but essentially we're covering the state mandate and we're adding extra protections at the local level that's what you're looking at right there so the document we're looking at in the staff report has um changes either uh struck through or added in red is the original doc the original the unaltered is that our current bylaw or the bylaw that we were looking at in the fall uh well you've got a current bylaw in the zoning bylaws right yeah and the ones with the strike M and the ads there that's what's going to change that's what we proposing so this is not that is not on the books right now that reflects what we believe is compliance and consistency with the state mandate and some extra stuff to so that's what that is that's the track these are changes from the current bylaw not from the bylaw that we liked but ultimately couldn't do in the fall okay got it great um what are changes just as a summary what are kind of the changes from uh what we liked in the fall not a lot really it was the same stuff you know the bit the change that we did locally after we looked at what the state was requiring and what we had to change within our you know that you know what the essence of that is it's now by right you can't require a special permit for and uh 1 Adu on your um property and that can now be anywhere so it could be 5T from the property line whereas we had setbacks before that were that were required and under a special permit process so we did what we needed to do to be consistent with the state mandate by right we changed the table of uses to allow it by right inste up by a special permit from the zba and so what did we do at the local level well we added this protection because Additionally the state uh allowed that you could have this another detached Adu that's new multiple adus multiple adus on the property that has never been permitted let alone by right so what we did and what we're allowed to do on the state mandate is require that that's by special permit okay and so that means in addition to setbacks you can't put it 5T from your neighbor's prop line property line you have to get a special permit from the zba anything above and beyond what is by right that the state mandates is goes through the normal local process of of deliberation and control so that's that's the essence of it okay protecting the town while trying to meet the state mandate there's nothing we can do about the bu Rite allowance for 1 Adu but now they're saying and that's part of the state mandate you can have more than that but we can require local permitting process for that and that's what we're doing and under State M under the state mate for a if someone wants to build a single Adu they can just by right oh sure by right no I understand that but which what does that mean do we have no do we have prote under what you've put forward yeah here do we have Protections in there that say you can't build your single Adu 5T from the property line oh okay great that I just want to make sure that that wasn't yeah lost okay is the typical setback which is 20 ft I believe and um and the state didn't say that in the Mandate mhm so you could have if you didn't do anything or address it built it 5T from the property line like any other structure but um so we corrected that yeah and for our friends watching at home the reason you don't want um we say adus accessory dwelling units mini houses or many apartments or it can be separate from the house from the main primary dwelling unit um but the key is having any dwelling unit 5T from the property line makes things like fighting a fire in that dwelling unit potentially much more difficult uh which is why you want additional setbacks purely at least from a safety standpoint uh we don't want people building dwelling units that are actually fire traps because that would be poor um at least I don't I can't speak for the board maybe y'all want fire traps I I should not presume um so that pretty much covers what you've already seen Y and how we're trying to clean it up tighten it up and as I said since the fall when we pulled it it because Town Council identified these things that needed to be addressed and only because the state was accelerating the the process MH um we're you know trying to adjust on the fly as more guidance comes out more guidance came out in um the beginning of January so we're trying to hit that Target and we will so that that's pretty much covers that and obviously we'll have a couple more zoning workshops for the public hearing and you'll you'll see what the final product's going to be do we have feedback from the board on the Adu bylaw as presented by our land use director I do think it's important as we move forward and address this you know certainly through the the public comments but even even on town meeting floor it's just be very clear as to where this change is coming from that it is in fact you know another uh what I would classify as an overreach from the from the state mandating this change so I just think that's very important that the the voters understand where this where this change is is coming from um because it is a loss of local control over you know another example of loss of local control over over zoning and I think the it's important also to highlight each each change that's in there like for example the one where there would no longer be owner occupied one of the units I think is a pretty pretty significant change and it just have to make sure that the public is aware of that because I think you know that could just open it up to investors coming in and buying you know a piece of property and yet one more piece of property that will come off the the the uh the ability for individuals to own a home and own a piece of land it becomes into the rental fold so I I I personally like the the um requirement that one of the units be owner occupied which will go away from my understanding with the and that's one of the mandated changes so I just think it all these changes I I realize some of them are you like nuanced but the ones in particular you know the fact that this is generated from the state or when when you say the state it really is the legislature those who we have elected to represent us are forcing this down so I think that's just an important aspect to make sure the voters are fully you know educated on this this this change and other changes that are coming to with you know MBTA communities act I uh I know that our um our State Rep recently had a uh office hours I I wasn't able to schedule time but I I really wanted to because feedback I really want to pass along to the state legislature um is is that I I get why they are making the decisions they're making we do have an absolute housing crisis in this state and it's worse than the housing crisis in much of the rest of the country but there's a housing crisis in the country as we know um but even if if we accept everything they're putting forward as necessary and and we could certainly debate that but let even if we accept that everything they're putting forward is necessary the time frame in which they are doing as such in requiring action precludes smaller towns now lunenberg is not a Tiny Town anymore um next census we won't be rural but precludes smaller towns that aren't cities that don't have this bigger infrastructure means we can't can't address other issues because we are nonstop playing whack-a-mole with State requirements we think we have a chance to breathe and can work on updating other bylaws and things that need doing in the town uh we were going to work on solar and we still can't because we're still in the middle of hitting every state mandated mole that pops up with a very tight timeline um if we don't have further feedback and if we do that's great but I wasn't seeing any um I would encourage us to read this over and um if we get things in before let me ask you Chris if we read this over and have comments and annotations we want to make ideally when would you like that from us so you could incorporate those thoughts into another draft is a week acceptable oh yeah okay yeah so thank what's the drop dead date March 17th is when the warrant closes so I was just thinking if we were going to look at this at our next meeting again if we were going to read through it with a fine tooth comb make any recommended changes or POS or give you any questions when would you want that info from us well here's a catch on that there's always a catch and what you know what the instruction we've been given from the town manager in the town is you have to get the motion in by the end of this week and so what is the motion for the warrant that move to that paragraph and what is the implication of that within that paragraph you have to basically contain everything that you're going you're proposing to change that the planning board's sponsoring and then you have to stay within the What's called the Four Corners the of the intent of that so you know the when you see a motion yeah the motion move to in the article that header that paragraph is due by the end of this week what then you can't not even possible because we have to have public hearings on it we have and going to generate Provisions that possible this is the implic of this this is what I've we've been told I've been told I I that's not how with town has worked in the past I I don't I mean otherwise we have submitted as a Citizens petition Town meetings in 4 and a half months we've never had to have our motions submit like do we have to be well ahead of time yes the warrant doesn't close till March there March 17th yeah well there's no way that we should have to have that done next week that's not I've never seen it myself but it sounds like somebody's got their eyes crossed told to do so if my board revols and says we're not going to do what you're telling us we need to do Chris I we can't I get it we can't yeah I I this isn't even a Revolt I I feel like there's I mean yeah I agree with Mr Allison this is is even a Revolt we are not able to and that's not and that is not we have not been expected in any year in the past to have it in by the end of January and that kind of change needs to be telegraphed to the boards not telegraphed needs to be explicitly communicated to the boards months in advance so we can make that alteration in the way we do our business yeah the only thing I can say is uh the board will proceed as you feel comfortable and then I'll I'll figure out how to make that work at whatever process they've decided to adopt but MH I just wanted you to be aware that's what I've been told is I I I hear you I am happy to um join as as chair happy to join in any conversations that need to happen about because this is not the way we've done business in the past and if we need to have things in by January that needs to come to us yeah it in September people man it is a distinction with a difference in that I'm just trying to give you as much information now about what does this mean um and you are somewhat constrained once you define that that language of that motion of the so-called Four Corners you cannot stray from it and it's a a gray area in a matter of interpretation but the AG has shot down articles that change too much outside of the intent of that motion the Four Corners so we just have to be mindful that's what the town's looking for you tell whatever you however you want to proceed you tell me and I'll just have to make it work that's you know I'm not going to I we need we need to advertise two weeks in advance for the public hearing and we're not even prepared to have a public hearing so we can't advertise because we don't know what to advertise and that's two weeks minimum down the road for the advertising requirement alone I I so I think if you can look at this the bylaws the model bylaws and the draft bylaws you have and give input by the next meeting I can work with that quickly to get it into some final form you can review but it will be the pleasure of the planning board what gets where does this decision come from that we need to have all of this ready by the end of this I don't know if it's I think the I don't know I think it's just U the fear of sort of extending into the new town manager's tenure when she doesn't know anything about this and hasn't been involved in anything okay well or um we we assume um I I don't know but I I know that's what I'm hearing and so I wanted I had to convey it to you no and I hear you so we'll we'll just figure out where we need to go next but the board's got to be comfortable and happy I yeah no Chris this ain't you it's not you no let me be real clear this ain't you this is okay well what I need to do to to make sure the board's comfortable with where they want to go I I am happy to meet with the power uh do y'all mind if I meet with any powers that be if they wish so I can kind of say what the heck's going on because somebody that needs that can use a little bit stronger words than heck I would be happy to meet with you I am on I am in a public forum and I choose my words according I understand but this there's a bunch of nonsense going on and and it's not just recently it's in the last few years and I just I don't like the way things are going and and it just it seems like people that speak up that know something that have something some valid input get shot down by other people that say that's not nice well you know government is not nice sometimes it's not nice it's not fun and it's not a Bowl of Cherries so if you need somebody that understands that and purports themselves differently then I'm happy to do that as well but this is ridiculous and I don't mind saying it what you've been told Chris what you've been told is absolutely ridiculous for this board to be able to do yeah so uh period so if you want to just look at it and proceed the way you feel comfortable like okay yeah I'm going to okay make war too yeah and I'm happy to have that yeah no I think we'll see how it goes but so even more so if we're I think we're does the board have any other direction on that or I I I don't think so I think I think the FL plane thing is even more of a a reach we don't have much control over that so it's another mandate I'm going to pause us for a second okay I want a wrap discussion on this before we go on to flood play okay um just because I can't um track like that so on adus knowing that we are tightly constrained in what we can do so just cuz we have an idea and it makes sense doesn't mean we're allowed however if we can get our feedback to Chris within the next week that he can incorporate any changes that may or that may be doable and we can review at the next meeting and we'll all already be very well fluent in it does that work for all of us can yeah it it works for me can I ask add on to that is is is it possible for you is it possible for you to distribute the other comments without naming names or is that still an open meeting law violation is that is that isn't that isn't that in meeting material meeting info so that we can all be aware of other people's input before the next meeting I can always report what you individually tell me right that's what I thought you just can't discuss it that's what I thought okay so yeah we can give our feedback to Chris Chris can share that yeah great okay [Music] um and yeah okay wonderful so I'm going to move us on to the flood plane map updates because as much as I feel like I understand adus I feel like I don't understand flood plane map updates yeah and I'm I'm not going to tell you that I completely do either but uh it's another mandate and um it's been on our books again like Adu has we have a flood plane bylaw and if you look at this sort of you know from a practical standpoint or a simple standpoint they're just updating the maps so it's an update of the flood plane maps The Firm Maps you know relates to the insurance and so forth it's a little bit more than that because with the maps go a bylaw that talks about what you can and can't do in the flood plane and this is somewhat of an aggressive expansion of prohibitions under that in in comparison to our current bylaw so so think um changes to definitions which we didn't have before lots of definitions that that can be fine you know it's clarified but um lots of changes to that and then some additions of things and if you're looking at the the bylaw in there the information I gave you it does something which is good that I think we were talking about early on when I first got here which is you'd love to see suggested changes to our bylaw with explanatory notes that go along with it and explain what the hell is you know why is this needed and this does that but there's there's sort of a a handful so look through it I don't see anything like you know starkly like a power grab or or too you know heavy-handed but it is more there are more prohibited activities so there is additions to Authority and and and there's some additions to variances in the process overall makes a VAR process a little more honorous so it's it's a lot take a look at it and then we can maybe talk a little bit more next time but this is they don't even have the official letter adopting our Maps out yet okay I don't worry about that quite yet may I I have a bunch of questions if I may because I'm trying to wrap my mind around this yeah sure um first of all uh the the right the writing that is in our staff notes um that is what is that that I'm looking is that the proposed new language so what that is is it's sort of a um deck of okay this is what this is and why we're doing it and then this is the model bylaw and language you're suggesting you adopt that you update from your local bylaw and here's the explanatory notes after each one see our the green ones that are changing that are already in your BW but we're updating them see the red track the red uh font that is new new language that we are saying you should ad that you have to adopt in our document there's no green and red this is all black okay so let me fix that okay great thank you that that well that that's why I was wondering because I didn't see it is just standard text okay um I don't know unless it looks different for others okay great I just want to make sure yeah all right let me let me fix that sorry about that but there there are you can track it without the colors but it's much easier with the colors okay if you so let me fix that and get that version out to you okay thank you and um again we'll review Send initial thoughts to Chris and then he'll have a week to kind of I mean not I mean we're much further back right there's a lot we don't know secondly could so I'm really lost on this is so this is not a map update I mean a map update is included yes but the state is saying in addition to there being a new map we expect you to make changes to your current bylaw to reflect these requirements from the state that's the the Crux of the matter and is that just again so I can understand um was this a recent legislative action was was this a what led to this coming down the pipeline this is driven by the the feds okay essentially um who update the map like FEMA updates the maps and that's just a datadriven process yeah but at some point the federal agencies involved in this that passed the cmrs and the the regulations they they decided that there should be more more strict reg regulations and maybe they were looking around at all the floods and the land the damage and the property loss and lo loss of life but it's it's coming from the feds in order to be compliant with nipes which is a federal standard okay um and the flood maps which means you know you still comply with the insurance requirements be to be insured for flood loss you have to do this okay and that's what it is great okay that that gives me a lot more understanding so I was thinking I had heard about any of this at the state level and I don't know how that works with fee well it's not state level there we go um okay what is Nip a national prevention of it's one of those accurate let me look at National poliu and discharge and elimination system there you go thank you there we go I might like to comment also is that this this is a very technical highly Technical and and and and it's not surprising at all that people are saying and I don't know cuz I'm not completely sure exactly where this comes from um I do know that conquer did this many years ago so it's not it's not a Statewide thing I mean it's it's it's a town Bytown thing so our flood maps are from the 80s so it I'm curious as to why this is coming up for this town at this time but I'm also making in the suggestion that we uh we uh we we foresee and expect to invite our uh Graves engineering to come in to um maybe maybe multiple times maybe to talk with us as a board at meetings and then and then certainly at the Public Public hearing maybe because this is a much more technical aspect than this board is typically involved with can I do this can I because there is an offer out there can I get the the DCR is handling it at our state level so can I get their their point person get them to come out exactly and they should not charge us for it so I will schedule that yes at February 10th meeting that would be amazing love it haven't come to every meeting that we have on it we are we pay taxes for a reason I am happy to spend that tax money make us spin our wheels and spin them together well I especially happy to spend the state tax money that we spend by making use of services the state says we can take we can make use of um oh also another question are there other are there other towns in our region that are undergoing this as well or is it just lunenberg yeah well the way it's working is um so we are in the nashille Watershed they're doing it they're prioritizing by Watershed ah so the watersheds there's like four of them okay main one that in Massachusetts that there so they're focusing on us first they're updating those Maps first but it's the towns in the National Watershed so theoretically Fitchburg and I fitchburg's a little on the we're right on the edge I brought that up only because the the um our our um our our local Regional group um monachus Regional right yes are there other towns in the monachus region I think there are oh yeah all of them all of them to our North so this is going to be a regional issue as well yeah so there's going to be that so yep I would I would recommend that we Lean Like the awesome suggestion lean on the state and then also lean on our regional group because they're going to obviously be aware of it and probably trying toig I'd like to get both somebody from both of them out in the 10th maybe I won't be able to I'll get definitely the DCR representative who's offered you know love it make themselves available thank you I'm surprised Fitchburg might not be involved cuz they have the headwaters in the nasua in town but change colors on their paper man that was I know that they're not mapped yet okay I mean gone I think we just got fully mapped as like yesterday all right all right just I I hiked to the headquarters of the Nash on the regular in fishburg when I lived there so I'm just going huh yeah okay cool all right so we've got our we've got our home we have got our homework gang there we go um all right I'm going to move us on then board discussions master plan steering committee uh composition so I asked for this to be on the agenda so we could talk about it um now I know just general there's what Chris brought up earlier in addition uh Tim I know you called for a meeting on February 6th correct as per the as per our um what you call it standard operating procedure y um and I began so I did get CL clarification that yes uh Quorum is decided by the people who by the positions uh that exist for the board not the filled positions so Quorum is eight people for that regardless yeah yeah um there won't be any meetings then and what I still need to get the feedback on I should have followed up on that my apolog iies is what we can do how we can reconstitute that board I have to follow up with the town clerk on that um Now by our next meeting the B the committee will have an opportunity to meet yeah um and you could reach out to them and say hey y'all this is our opportunity to meet and actually provide feedback to the planning board on how this board should be composed so that we can move forward sure because this is my thinking anyway I'm open to other ideas I'm just thinking out loud um I would rather personally that that board told us how they should be composed and while we while the decision lays with us I I think their feedback would be crucial and I would certainly take it very as my main influence in decision making um and I mean I guess that's my thought I'm curious what others think we have that issue where the board that committee rather hasn't been able to meet due to getting sufficient Quorum I'd love them to say what they think it should look like now yeah um then that would be great uh getting the board to that point is going to be a challenge um there's three positions that are just uh that were previously filled that are now empty um and despite people signing on with the understanding that it's the first Thursday of every month there's constant uh cancellations or over conflicts with something else um I don't know how to get enough people together to have a meeting happen um could you stress to the board that I mean in an email communication about scheduling that sure cuz I know you can't have discussions but you can lay out it should be fine to lay this out ahead of time in Chris corly correct me if I'm wrong um but as acting chair you should be able to lay out that the playing board wishes to get feedback on re recomposition the board sure so that it can meet effectively and we like their input but we need them to meet to do that and we if they can't meet then that I mean we can do it anyway and they could certainly come to our meeting and give input when that happens as individ uals that's fine too yeah um because I don't for a second think that any board that is struggling to meet on their own designated meeting time is going to suddenly do real well and get Quorum at another board's meeting yeah does this work for everybody as a plan going forward um and then at our next meeting we can have their feedback or not and recompose as usual I dis agree um this whole thing is our responsibility this board's responsibility okay this whole master plan thing right now the previous group of planning board members decided that we should sail it out get $150 spend money on a consultant and let them do it and then we'll create another subcommittee which is not uncommon I didn't disagree with that at this point it's our subcommittee doing our work and we have known for months that it's not working it's on our agenda right now I think that it's well within our purview tonight to change the membership of that group I think and that's a question Chris are we are we able to reorganize members of a subcommittee that we've created yeah your Charter it's our Charter I mean do we have to advertise it any differently than we have on our agenda tonight no you can change it if you like my suggestion would be to ask the sitting member that that's been there yeah uh would if would you would you take five people off the list would you take 10 people off the list um I've got three people that we can eliminate immediately because theyve either resigned or no longer representing the board that they were appointed from um I could go through and figure out who are consistent uh un availables are and we could eliminate those as well but I don't have that information immediately on hand um there's an at large the conservation and the um Finance board position that are uh no longer have somebody representing them they had a position that's no longer filled um and that would what is the board it's 15 15 so eliminating three would bring us down to six needed for cor you need to eliminate even numbers so you keep an odd number in the group I think right just for not strictly required but no not I don't think but six people for Quorum we can do we've we've fallen short of having meetings cuz we've only had six or seven people before so if we can chop off four or five names or four or five positions then we can solve that right now and they can apparently assuming everybody's schedule Works continue to meet I this is this is not something new this is not this right we need to do something because this contract that we have is going to end and if they don't do anything more then thank you but they still got some obligation to fill that contract and we can we don't have enough yet I'm sorry we don't have enough we don't have the implementation chapter with the action items so oh so I mean they're not even done but they if if we don't act then they could contractually be finished right so then we've spent this $150,000 for an incomplete product um there is no indic we will be getting a product from the Consultants they're I'm not I'm not I'm not downt talking anybody I'm not making fun of anybody I'm just saying this this matter of factly needs to happen to move forward yeah in a productive manner no I agree that we need to make some changes okay um regardless we're going to end up with a product from the Consultants mhm so we won't be left high and dry there in addition [Music] um I I am personally hesitant now I would certainly accept motions to the contrary and everything that that's fine not issue at all I am hesitant to rejigger that board without giving them the opportunity to chime in in a very direct and clear fashion um which I would Envision as giving them a chance to meet and also communicating to them saying hey at the at a meet at say the February 10th meeting the board is going to be recomposition your committee so get your voice heard if you have a feeling eye I'm hesitant to say say yeah we'll cut off any particular group let's say Finance for example I'm not worried about hurting people's feelings dude and this is not about hurting people's feelings at all this is about getting the job done for the town I am not worried about hurting people's feelings I am worried about people feeling not heard in the process and that that isn't a feelings thing well it is in every everything's feelings like like we can't separate it we we are creatures that feel but I want to make sure that people feel that they've had the opportunity to be heard so that doesn't sabotage the process later so and then doesn't become oh well you didn't X the playing board should have y and therefore this whole therefore and it becomes a whole stink at town meeting and everything is what I would rather avoid I can do is communicate to everybody that I have on the board that I'm requiring their input are they going to be at the meetings um and then from there the the next meeting is supposed to happen before our next meeting here uh determine how it goes no shows get cut and we go from there the next meeting I'll have a full list of people in positions that can be eliminated and just to be clear I would use different wording the no shows will be cut just because that that is ultimately a whole board decision I'm a little bit salty about the whole thing I blame be nicer I don't blame you for being salty go ahead Glenn I think a a compromise would be if I understood correctly there's three vacancies so if we eliminated eliminated those three vacancies I realize it brings it down to to 12 but if it sounds like if we leave those three vacancies in place at 15 he's not going to be able to have a meeting it sounds but if we drop it to 12 no there's those those spots are vacant anyway increases his chances of getting the six or seven um people there but and with the conversations can indicate that if if they don't have that meeting they can then forward any of their input directly to the chair because the the sub meeting that will be a you know re reorg so is a conservation at large finance and sorry it wasn't conservation it was Parks uh Parks finance and uh the at large position formally held by uh Josie Gilcrest now so it is my understanding that Parks is likely interested in I've been told they are un until meetings start happening they're not interested and the fact that they're not interested is stopping meetings from happening I I get that too um so that's my hesitance there is they seem to want to be involved and I'm not I'll be the first say I'm not thrilled with the whole we want to be involved but only once things are happening and not being involved gets in the way but it is what it is um I can also I'd like to add also that these are public meetings that all all 12,000 people of the public in town are welcome to these meetings so if if a person's position gets cut they are still welcome to go to that meeting so there is no possibility that you're going to butt hurt somebody about not being able to be heard Glenn were you when you were talking about cutting were you thinking of that so were you thinking of that tonight well yeah if I understood correctly it said three people resigned yes yes so those three those three positions count against Quorum yes if we eliminate those three positions will that assist him in gaining chances of gaining quum I can probably hit six people I guess that that leads in that probably leads into my other concern yeah I think there is a very real possibility that cuts in membership numerically need to go deeper than three people for this to be effective and what I don't really want us to do is cut just to then in a few weeks have to to like recompose the group and then in a few weeks have to recompose it yet again sure um I would rather we did it once and thoughtfully that said if there's a motion I'm gonna take it and that's not an issue okay I'm not trying I am not trying to kabash it I have a differing view so I would rather and but I'm also very happy committing and saying we are vote hell or high water we are voting and recomposing next meeting regardless sure that's where I am um but we also hear viewpoints saying we should do it now miss Reed I don't mean to put you on the spot but by the same token four of us have discussed a good deal I don't want you to be left out sorry I had to unmute um yeah I'm I'm kind of in agreement with Mr Allison on this and my only reasoning is obviously I'm somebody who has very big feelings um but I feel as though if people wanted to be involved they would have been involved and more proactive from the beginning we've been I don't even know how long this Project's been going on at this point um but I feel like if members or members at large had things to say these things would have already been said so I don't find the harm in in going in and reconfiguring um I I I can see Mr mccloud's point about you know finding that middle ground um and I think I'd be I'd be fine with that as well but at this point um I agree with Mr Allison like this project is just kind of just stopped and it is under the planning board so it doesn't make sense to just kind of wait around for another month worth of meetings to be lost and that's in nobody's you know it's nobody's fault it's just Quorum is Quorum it's too many people it's too many you know it's hurting cats at this point as they say um so that's all I have to say right thank you all right we have different were you gonna speak Glen no I was just G be interested to hear Mr Wilmer you know after hearing all the discussion because it'd carry a lot of weight of course with my opinion um I would like to have like the finance committee has had an opportunity to submit a new person uh to the board they're uh I'm sorry I'm terrible with names uh their member left the finance committee board and as a result left the uh steering committee board they've haven't gotten around to or cared enough to reappoint somebody else Parks committee had has indicated that they're not going to appoint somebody until the board works and the board won't work until they appoint somebody um and I'm I'm fine with cutting those three positions that and the the at large position here and maybe that gives us a chance to have a meeting next week um and if we can have a meeting great if it's continuing to be a problem then I will have a better list of what else needs to be cut okay um Chris I'm going to ask purely from a logistical standpoint or like like logistical legal whatever standpoint is there a problem with recomposing I don't know what the term is I'm using the phrase recompose because I don't want to say restructure because that's a different thing is there a problem with recomposing that board tonight and then if we deem that is not sufficient recomposing again in a couple weeks I don't think so okay yeah unless there's something specific in what town meeting required with the appropriation all right it's all your your choice I think okay I'm fine with that um I would all right well let's um then if there if there's going to be a motion let's have it uh I think we're I mean I think we've kind of reached where we feel on this uh motion to restructure the master plan steering committee by eliminating the finance committee seat the Parks Commission seat and the at large uh seat formally held by chair uh Josie Gilcrest does that work I think so okay second moved and seconded all in favor uh well I have to do roll call Mr McLoud hi Mr Allison hi Mr Winer hi Miss Reed hi and I for myself if if we can do it multiple times I think I care less um um Tim would you be willing to just make sure you also reach out to the could you please reach out to the Committees y that have just been cut let them know that that happened as well as invite them to the next meeting to basically if they want to be involved yeah have I mean sometimes things light a fire under our butts sure because we go uhoh we do need that and maybe they do have someone who wants to I don't know all right that works one more thing I think um probably would behoove us to contact the town clerk tomorrow about that change as well um because they do they have reached out to me to try and get a membership list of the board um so I have an email I will coordinate with them okay well they just need they just need some officiation from this board sure to the town clerk because it's it's a totally separate board that we just reconfigured yeah yeah okay is on the nation wed go figure yeah see F like it have to be cuz yeah it's got the Nash River maybe the Nash river is uphill from everything in we don't even have the Nash in US you in our town all right okay does that definitely does that jog it does up down I think goes down through Lancaster surely okay I am going to move us on to board discussions 100 Town Harbor Road right of first refusal and this is the one that the um uh open space committee is this the one that open space committee said informally discussed oh yeah informally discussed um and I believe you said that the sentiment seem to be it doesn't meet the requirements that were put forward to the open space committee but that doesn't necessarily mean it's not worth it is that a good paraphrase I think it's fair to say yeah I mean they were just saying oh it's it's a nice piece of property it would be nice to see it not developed but it doesn't doesn't meet you know the open space criteria okay so it's just acknowled it's hey it's too bad it's a nice piece of property and you know maybe somebody else would step forward and want to and did the select board already act on this property or no not yet there was a defect in the notice okay we read advertised is 120 days and I think it's coming back to the selects in a in a week in a week okay and it is on the agenda for the next open space committee for a formal discussion okay um so it sounds like will need to give some input anyway um what is this property exact I'm not super familiar with it like at all if you go down to towns and Harbor Road you know from it's to a it's on the right just a just a tick down the road on the right maybe a quarter mile or so before the lake it's nearby the lunberg primary school okay yeah I see um does it so I mean what do we collectively know here about the property in terms of size what it I haven't had a chance I haven't walked it or anything or I mean walk I haven't looked at it so and on the Aerials it looks like a big field but I don't know how accurate or not that is Chris do you have more background on this at all not much but I'm trying to pull up uh this okay something from Council I'm just looking for description not seeing it it's a fairly large field that's been used to you know for hay and um it's all I know about it I don't think there's any been any interest in developing it per so per se um now it's did it come out a chapter I assume okay I mean agricultural right yes okay um 9.1 Acres you know for other uses do it vacant land and it's come out of chapter already to construct five single family homes could you check the the waiting room is there somebody in waiting room I can't get into Zoom any I can't get you can't get in yeah I think somebody else might have somehow become the host I can't I mean doesn't let me in the host yeah says I'm the host and it won't let me in May do you mind if I take a quick look yeah me yeah I don't like how the chair sits my knee doesn't like it at least I can't even get into office now [Music] where's you know when I and I click on the L and I was in before who's running Zoom then that's a good question if I can't get in and I'm the host cuz it's not open oh Amanda's still on it Mana can let me just pull it up I'll show you here okay there's a link that made me the host I'll get it for you in a second here yeah but is I mean is zoom even open on your machine now I'm conf I can't get it open I go to on that link I can't open that link can you just open the app directly from the so there's the link and I was in before as the host okay and I saw everybody com in that's weird can we just try searching like opening the Zoom app itself in case I can I can try to troubleshoot it but yeah but I mean if we can open the Zoom app that might go in if not he won't be able to get the host that way really says that Public Access is the host just so you know we would never the host who the booth public access the booth oh oh Public Access is the host the booth is saying they're not the host all right so friends if you are at home trying to reach us via Zoom um technical issues our apologies but send us an email with your thoughts whatever oh wait it looks like man is doing something there technical issues our apologies but send us an email with your thoughts whatever wait it looks like is doing something [Applause] there did you mute your oh there we go we got it nice all right okay so technical issues seemingly fixed enough okay um and this doesn't I mean it looks like a recording in progress okay so technical issues seemingly fixed enough okay I did email documentation that I had through open space recording in progress okay so technical issues recording stopped seemingly fixed okay okay that's fine is that Mr controlling it exactly that usually the controller would be list hijacked or uh you are controlling it back in the booth right no we're not never have never have you were the host you stay the host okay all right that's exciting so we lost zoom and misre it looks like and are we recording anymore okay whose computer is showing up on you're just seeing okay but you have we have to we have to L back in again okay but we're not the who's that that's Dex and Booth could you try opening that link again uh Chris okay so now I'm at least getting into the enter that could you try opening that link again oh Chris if anybody so at least the chair of the pack was just making noise so I know that he's involved right now yeah hopefully fingers crossed okay I'm in [Applause] okay so I'm back in it looks like I'm back in as the host oh great okay I've got the chair of the P was just making noise so I know that he's involved right now could you I've got this sounds somebody's got to be muted and I can't let me see if I can mute them back the oh great okay was just making noise so I know I don't know where that's coming from I can you mind try so we [Applause] go no oh this is in the browser oh Dave could you mute yourself your microphone [Music] please this is I should be able to M yes I just can't see well cuz I'm oh there we go how' you do that no I okay I think we're okay all right Amanda are you there Amanda no yeah we have to let them we have to let let's see and okay we're all good there you think we're good that looks better that looks like it should if we can just mute on think that might have done it oh no so this is what I had before how do I how do I turn the feedback on I muted I see that let's just going to no volume mixer should do it I think we're better now yeah okay there I m the whole computer that should that's fine I don't need to all right well fun and excitement my friend oh God the seat's so low okay sorry about that everybody okay now Glenn you said that we have a document on Townson harer road yeah I just emailed it okay thank you I mean I think it's what we must already have so we have an email from Glenn with a document with more info about Townson Harbor Road okay Les the includes the plans and everything I mean it looks like a perfectly I can see the value for everything [Music] I mean it looks like perfectly I can see the value for Mr can you mute your microphone oh there thank you and Mr pasos did you want to speak by the way because your hand is up there's a hand up there all right I'm assuming we're good okay almost looks like you froze so NOP nope it'll be po of the course all right I mean I get why it's a nice piece of property personally I I don't think it borders any Town land or anything so I don't know what they use right I mean that's essentially what you know that's part one of the criteria yeah Town Harbor Road is Town Land is What townland Harbor Road is Town land it looks like a vacant piece of land and it looks like more than 3/4 of it is open right now so what do you mean town Harbor Road is townland the RightWay it's the Town Road oh yeah no I mean the property on the 100 100 Town's in Harbor Road itself right sorry yeah no it's a public yeah it's a public road but it doesn't the property doesn't abut it's not like AB butting the Town Forest or something or other conservation land um and it doesn't seem to I mean I see no reason the town would from a planning board perspective I cannot think of a reason we need the land in particular planning board I agree with you agriculturally I would disagree but I mean I I it's not our place so I sure I hate to see arable land turned into yeah houses um but that doesn't really matter um well we were going to spend millions of dollars on Marshal Park maybe they want to spend some money on a 9 acre piece I don't know yeah I mean the I this the select board may have multiple reasons it would be a good idea I just I'm not aware of any so I mean from a planning perspective it's it's a large piece of land and I don't believe that sewer runs down Townsen Harbor Road so that would be a detriment I'm pretty sure they have Town water on towns and H but no sewer means limited development um so as far as and open space Acquisitions aren't for municipal development anyway are they they're only supposed to remain open yeah so I mean technically our our response I guess should be that we see no especially since we've got open space to give us input and they couldn't come up with the not that they couldn't come up with but they they did say that it didn't list the what do they at seven six or seven they Tred to hit at least three or four now that makes I I get it I agree I apologize my phone was going off and I am looking to see ah okay got it yeah okay Mr pasos were you trying to reach me oh the beauties of modern tech I am gonna Dave you're trying to get trying to speak can you hear me yeah we can hear you we can hear you can you hear us okay I'm going to try this one more time Mr chair can you hear me uh poorly but yes with the background with the like okay acoustic we can hear you okay uh it's a little weird little weird hookup here I don't know why but can you hear me poorly yes with the back with like okay if you can say what you want to say and then mute we'll work with it he's playing something else besid but his computer's open okay yeah we're Dave we're just getting a lot of background noise when you when you come off mute so we can't really understand you if Dave were to text me can I read that out loud is that okay yeah Dave go ahead and drop me a text or something if you want and I'll make sure I read that out loud that's funny Amanda just sent me a text a picture and she seen Dave Paso is as host I think I may have found the issue can you hear me now yes okay uh I've got my speaker down really low so we don't get that feedback as long as you can hear me that's what's important uh over the past 2 or 3 weeks I've been advocating for this PE piece of property to be considered being taken over by the town for the purposes of the Agricultural commission creating uh Community Gardens it's the best best piece of property that's come around in the last decade that would fit the needs for Community Gardens being uh plenty of access from a Town Road uh Municipal Water Supply and that's been Farmland as long as I've been alive uh I really do believe that uh if it's looked at from that perspective it would be valuable to the town and Adcom uh given the right guidance could possibly get either grants uh can get grants and can own property for those purposes uh they were meeting this evening they did not put a zoom uh link on their meeting so I was not able to sit in on that uh that's the information I have as I say that was Farmland producing hay and uh corn uh for all of my life until uh recent Years thank you thank you Dave thank you Mr pasos appreciate it um I the agenda for February 12th for open space okay it's on the agenda for February 12th at open space Sounds like select board is going to be need need to maybe acting before then um I'm hoping agcom has an opinion on this I I I think Mr paos brings up a good point about this being potenti po Al valuable for community garden space and maybe the best we've seen in a long time I don't I have no idea whatcom's desire is to run with that or what Park's desire might be to run with that or how that would work um what are our thoughts do we think it makes sense for that do we want to make a recommendation do we want to acknowledge it but not make a recommendation I don't know the community garden space was something that the last Town Master Plan steering committee meeting we had something that I was very much in favor of um because you know we do have a lot of rentals and people that that don't have property and I think an opportunity to take part in one of the things that makes lunberg great is uh really beneficial to the town um with that as an idea I'd be fully behind making that a community garden if possible I always wonder about Community Gardens that aren't directly adjacent to um to the populations that would be most likely to use them because I mean I Comm I for years I had a community garden plot in Fitchburg when we lived there in condos um and it was nice but I wasn't really participating myself the way I wish I could have because I was far away I don't know how much by most of the people of that Garden were people in the departments next door I wonder how much use not you know there's a lot of communities with Community Gardens that are nowhere nearby I see a great great ones out towards Watertown in that direction and everything so I'm disagreeing with my own thought there we go um what kind of re do we need I mean I don't think we have to give a straight yes or no to the select board we could how do we feel about saying this has potential use as a community garden if that's something the agricultural commission is willing to run with no is that something we could hold off and wait so we can hear what what the Adcom has to say and we can vote on it when does select board need to act on this property 120 days since December 5th is the date on the I think it's it's been re the shot clock's been reset yeah because there was a defect in the notice oh got so as of Friday or maybe today I think I think the hund I thought the 120 days was from the app was from the them filing it not from the town starting action I believe cuz we've run into that 120 before and it's been super tight cuz by the time we even knew there was a property coming out of chapter we were like a month and a half in or something from this from this email it indicates that the clock would have been reset to the Wednesday the 22nd of January oh okay last week last week right if if that's the case then we have time yeah and I'm happy to wait for open space to give their feedback um and I think I mean that was you know without knowing what I was talking about that's exactly what I had suggested that open space was that you know we certainly weren't opposed to it it just didn't hit their criteria and that we'd wait to see if any other you know agency or board in town stepped up and then then they could in turn support them based on that so I mean that was logic faulty or not I'm not sure but that's basically how i' feel here as well all right do we want to wait for open space to chime in after their meeting as well as a the egg yeah and hopefully have feedback from egom this meeting tonight yes no maybe is that yeah all right okay sounds like we want to wait or there's a lot of quiet and I'm hoping that quiet is just I don't see any harm okay all right then we can wait all right on my agenda man let's get through the rest of this um AB budding Community noses Logan isn't here to go through them that I'm not super concerned committee reports master plan steering committee I believe has been fully addressed at this point open space committee I is there anything new no I think that's all right Municipal Building design committee yeah we uh we met last uh last Monday and um the uh the Consultants are continuing to be very uh responsive to comments and um and give good presentations um the fact that municipal buildings and school buildings are being collocated is obviously as always causing problems um my understanding was that there was a considerable push back and a desire to look at some other options uh that was through private communication at that last meeting that was not even brought up so I don't know where that went um but we're moving forward uh in in a in a thoughtful way that seems to make the majority of people happy which is the best we can do in municipal government these days all right Capital planning committee uh Capital planning committee is meeting on Wednesday to uh is basically to go over um the interim Town manager recommendation based on some budget shifts and everything kind of go over the list one more time with the interm town manager um so that can get solidified and then we can get into our 10-year plan Economic Development Committee we did just meet and um were able to engage on the land use director which we appreciate with the EDC so I think that'll be a healthy healthy connection and we look forward you know what they look forward to you know working working with them to try to make lunenberg a a more uh business friendly um town but one one other uh aspect that came up in discussions was the meet and greet and that was happy to hear that you know the the board was represented there as well as I believe um the land use director also showed up that must have been like your first day or something I was very impressed to know that yeah first week that's so that that just came up that you know that's something that they there was a Grassroots effort from the EDC to put that together and you know moving forward there was the discussion to try to professionalize it and I think it was prudent to uh seek a possible budget for the EDC specific to that that uh that event to try to you know not necessarily lean on the local business businesses so much in order to run a business uh you know an event to introduce businesses to the town that if maybe some money could eventually be added to their budget for that specific so that would be a discussion for future okay future meetings great thank you storm waterer task force um we met this past Thursday um we've started to get information on like fee structures in the lake um so we're starting to make a real good Headway with where it is that this is all going to go um we have a plan for making an announcement at the Springtown meeting just to kind of get ourselves on everybody's radar um before we start our year-long process of advertising and uh public input so everything is going pretty well on the storm water task force great massachusett Regional Planning Commission we have not met since our last meeting we'll meet next month massachusett joint Transportation committee same thing have not met since the previous meeting we'll meet next month it's amazing that you can have a whole joint montachusett joint transportation committee for the region but joint Transportation requires a special permit in lunenberg to open that business um I got Matt to smile all right that was a good one thank you um I'm mature minutes approval for just uh for 129 and I don't see the minutes in our uh file I'm going to push that off to our next meeting then because we don't have that all right meeting schedule as a reminder we meet at 6:00 p.m. in the town hall unless we tell you otherwise our next meetings include February 10th and February 24th public comment go ahead Dave thank you first of all my apologies to the committee I believe the uh technical issues emanated from my computer I had Facebook open at the same time I had Zoom open so that's where the feedback apparently went through um I do caution though that there have been some issues with zoom meetings recently Cemetery commission for one uh their last meeting uh very weird things happened with zoom and when it came back up as you saw this evening well and behold I was the host all of a sudden uh similar things happened with the cemetery commission meeting uh I really think the town should be communicating with zoom and have them look into this meeting and that meeting to see if somebody's hacked into the system um they should be able to see IP addresses if anybody has gained access access during meetings um lastly I appreciate you putting up with all that trouble and allowing me to get my information across to you uh there's still an issue with notification of um appropriate boards committees whatever within the town when in uh application for anything that really needs to be vetted by all committees or all possible interested committees uh the list apparently is not complete um open space has already expressed their concern uh you know nobody thinks of Adcom but in this particular case they should have been notified um those are my comments thank you very much have a great evening thank you Mr pus and and the good news is on that that in the medium term I believe that is something that they are looking at incorporating into the open gov process so that they you got you know if something's coming out a chapter the applicant has to indicate that because they do and that will immediately propagate out is my understanding I'm sure Logan can Mr oconnell can give us more info about that when he is here all right no other public board comments concerns seeing none I would look for a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn second moved and seconded roll call Mr McLoud hi Mr Allison hi Mr Wilner hi M Reed hi and an I from myself well that was an exciting time my friends have a wonderful night and we'll see you in a couple weeks take care lunenberg