All right. Good evening, Lunenburgg, and welcome to this the planning board meeting for Monday, April 27th, 2026 is 6:00 p.m. We are here as always at
the Bilada meeting room upstairs at our beautiful town hall. If you are, well, if you want to join us tonight, well, if you're here in the room, thank you so much. We've got a crowd. If you are watching us on the television or on
Facebook live and want to join us tonight, you can go ahead and use uh Zoom. You can of course drive down and join us or you can use Zoom. The link to the Zoom link for this meeting can be
found on the meetings agenda on the town website in the agenda center and you can access through the zoom link or through the provided uh phone number and meeting ID as well. So you have many ways to
participate. As always, I am glad for everyone who's here and for those who will be joining us. This meeting of course is being recorded and I think that's all we need to open the meeting. I'm looking forward to it tonight and we'll first look over for
any board comment to start. All right, seeing none, as a reminder uh to the public, the this board does not have open public comment, but um es I mean for the any public hearings, we're required to solicit
public comment. If it's not a public hearing and it's on our agenda and is something you want to speak to, just give me a signal, let me know. You can use the hand raise on Zoom or I suppose use the hand raise in the audience which is a bit more of a mechanical process
and we'll be uh generally speaking happy to chat. If you ever want to talk about something that isn't on one of our agendas, let us know. go ahead and call the office, email me on my town email, and we can get you uh we can get that
topic put on an agenda to discuss as long as it seems appropriate for the planning board. Um just looking to keep the meetings on topic, but not looking to stifle public input by any means.
Okay. So, I will turn uh to Mr. Steven Wallace and say, Mr. Wallace, what is our director's report tonight? >> Well, Mr. Chairman, >> chairman, >> um, I've started assembling example
bylaws for the, uh, types of bylaws we're going to be working on over the summer. That would be senior housing, inclusionary zoning, um, cluster housing, and minor site plan
review. So, I I've assembled uh examples from a number of what I consider to be comparable communities. I don't want to inundate you all with all of them at once. So, what I'm going to do is this week I'm going to send you
the example senior housing ones. Next week, I'll send you the example cluster housing ones and the week after that I'll send you the inclusionary zoning ones. What I'd like you to do is look over
each example and flag what you like and what you don't like. And if there are other communities that you think are comparable that you'd like me to look at their bylaws and see what I could pull from them, just let me know what those
communities are and I'll be glad to do them. But I'd like to I'd like to by the end of June get your input on the examples so that I can start putting together um our drafts and give you something to
react to um in July. All right, great. Um, and that actually just as a board, we'll want to just I know I've mentioned it before, but we're going to want to uh keep just keep each other apprised of
summer plans and if we're going to have to miss some meetings and we don't have to do that in public so people know when we're traveling. Scheduling's allowed. Doesn't have to be public discussion. Um, just if we know we're not going to have quorum, there's no reason to plan a
meeting at that time and mislead everybody. >> Okay. >> What's the best way to give you input? Do you want like PDF with notes? Do you want a memo? Anything you want to give me, whether it's >> careful what you ask.
>> If you can edit a PDF and just insert your comments right in there, all the better. Okay? you want to give me a memo, if you want to stop by and talk about it, you want to call how however you're most comfortable giving input. >> Okay. You'll probably get all of them.
>> Uh, all right. Okay. And with that, I will um will we be looking at the ANR comprehensively with the public hearings tonight for Zero Reservoir Road? Is that okay? asked to
keep their uh share driveway and ANR applications open while we work through their storm water permit. Am I am I correct there? >> Yeah. Okay, great. So, the ANR is on the agenda, but it sounds like we're not
going to we're not we will not be discussing it tonight unless we happen to come to a conclusion on storm water. >> There you go. >> Understood. Great. that's well within uh our ability to do to shuffle items on
the agenda some. So, we'll see how that goes. And that means the first item we're going to look at today um what we're going to do is we're going to look at the storm water permit for Zero Reservoir Road. Yeah. And come on up and set up while I explain the process from there.
If that comes to a conclusion tonight, we may be look we may or may not look at other components of Zero Reservoir Road. Then we'll move on to the storm water permit for 60 Crossroad and then to the storm water the collection of storm water permits for
222 West Towns and Road. For those who are joining us online um 860 New West Towns and Road did request a continuence so we will not be speaking with them tonight. So if you're watching us for
that and that alone um you may retire and do other things. Great. Take it away. >> Good evening. Evening for the record engineering here tonight on behalf of the >> of the project at Goodrich Street and
Reservoir Road. So last time I was in front of the board, we had discussions regarding the drainage along Goodrich Street, the three stone depressions as well as the culverts underneath the driveway. So, first thing I want to just address is we did pull them out of the rightway. They are solely located within
each individual property. Same connection, same things we talked about the last meeting. They're just out of the right away. In addition, I did add the stone depression detail to the detail sheet. Like we talked about, twoft depression, 6 to 12 in trap rock.
That would be each depression. Then we already had the detail for the drainage pipe. The third and most important item I believe is regarding the easement mechanism, how to handle the operation maintenance of the drainage. So after consulting Mr.
Pal's attorney, we went back and forth on different types of documents and he had sent over two documents that I had forwarded to Mr. Wallace who proceeded to send them to you. One of them being the declaration of the drainage easement and the second one being the establishment of the homeowners
association. So those are both drafts. What I would like to hear back from the board is a comments, questions regarding those and preferably with the address plans, the easement documents, all that. Hopefully that the
board will approve the project and they can condition that the documents have to be addressed and reviewed by town council prior to issuance of documents. See, anything like that. So with that, I'll leave it to the board. Any questions, comments? Happy answer.
>> Can I ask a question? >> Yes, please. >> Uh Justin, for the front lot drainage structures of all the storm water that's generated by this development, how much of that storm water is handled
by the front lot drainage structures versus the remainder? >> You're talking specifically the depressions? >> Yes. Very little. During the 2 to 50 year storm events, you're not seeing more than a CFS of increase.
And then during the 50 year, the PEON diaphragms along the driveways are infiltrating everything that's running off. And then in the 100, you're seeing approximately 2 CFS >> CFS >> cubic feet per second. So with that,
these depressions are still seeing very little drainage. They're not going to be filled in be sands of pools and water. >> And um I'm just looking in open gov and the plans uploaded on April 23rd would
be the plans that we're looking at. >> Yes. It's a 421 rev date and it just again the only change to the plans was the depressions were pulled out of the rightway and the detail added on sheet I believe sheet two.
>> Mhm. >> So these are open channels not filled >> the depressions. Yeah. >> Yeah. So it's your typical open depression and the whole idea of the trap >> being grass it's trap rock. >> Yes.
And the piping is for culverts under the driveway and that's it. >> Yep. So you get one under each driveway and then same as the last plan, you get the one pipe to the flared end discharging back towards the wetlands. >> Okay. I'm I'm going to be I I'm going to
be very forthright with you. I'm going to be a much easier cell than I was at our last meeting. >> That's always a good thing. >> Yeah. Um, no manding from those plans and and I understand and I may have done some misreading on my part and understand
that as well was that the piping was more extensive and it was going to be harder to access which was the source of a lot of my concerns and and how backups could occur. >> Yep. And no, see
with the extra clarification, um I personally have fewer concerns because I look at it and go, if you if you screw up, the person whose driveway is going to get affected
if it's all flowing downhill, the first driveway to be affected should be your own. Do I understand the topology correctly? >> Yes. that if I'm not taking care of my culvert, then my driveway will be >> you're going to see the issue first and
then if you continue to not take care of it and it keeps backing up, then we get into the bigger issues and >> yes, but okay. No, that is uh um great. No, thank you.
I still like to have something formally memorialized, but I feel much more comfortable with everything this way. Okay, great questions from the board. None. Um,
so board members, you're down to two options for how to deal with the maintenance of the front lot drainage structures. Um you can have them outline in each property deed
as um Elijah has put together in one uh option and then the other option is the homeowner maintenance agreement, the homeowner association agreement. >> Those are your options to choose from unless you've got something else to or
Justin maybe you have another idea. >> Nope. I just wanted to lay out so regardless there will be some sort of easement. Now the second mechanism of the homeowners association I know that was the topic of the last meeting. So regardless there will be an ement there that establishes the right to operate
and maintain the drainage but Elijah did provide the homeowners association documentation for the board if the board. So um I seeing the setup how it is having a more
comprehensive understanding of the limits of the uh of the piping. I don't I'm going to turn to the board. I don't know if others have a strong opinion which way to go. I don't actually. I prefer the HOA because it
includes the fiduciary portion. F. >> Yeah. >> It outlines it. It says there is a financial obligation to this and if the homeowners choose to do the maintenance themselves, maybe they decide that it's
$100 a year because they just need supplies to, you know, they need some >> not Roundup because it causes cancer or whatever. Or they can choose to have it professionally maintained. And at some point it's trap rock. It's going to trap
everything and it may need to be replaced and there's a financial mechanism to do that. >> That's a very good point. Yeah. >> Yeah. I do have an opinion now actually as much as less than a minute ago I was
not so certain. Um other questions from the board and then I'm going to turn to the public because it is a public hearing. Uh just a comment in the HOA there's a reference to the town of Westminster. >> Yep. >> So So I >> I understand Mr. Powell also does a fair
amount of business there. So just as long as that gets corrected. >> Yeah. And that that's why at the beginning I said it was a draft cuz coming here I did look at it and go, >> "Yep, no, that was for a different project." >> Will you want town council to review the homeowner language or
>> I have we done that in the past? I have no idea. >> It's a legal document. I think it's probably safer to just make sure that the form is adequate and >> I have no problem with that. Um, yeah, I I I like that.
Um, all right, I'm going to turn. Is there any public comment for the storm water permit for Zero Reservoir Road? Again, if you're on Zoom, go ahead and use that uh hand raise feature. And if you're in
the room, also use your personal hand raise feature. Seeing done. Great. And again, if if you're having trouble on Zoom and you raise your hand a moment late, as long as the hearing is not closed, whatever, not a problem. Um, just let us know.
Okay, great. Um, so if if the board was inclined to act on the storm water permit tonight in addition to our standard conditions for a storm water permit, I would add
the sightsp specific one that we have town council um review their homeowner association legal document. All right. Okay. If there's nothing else from the board on the storm water permit and
>> I move Oh, sorry. Go ahead. >> Oh, I was going to say and we feel satisfied. I'd be open to a motion. >> I move we approve the >> I think we have to close the public hearing first. Sorry. >> I move we Well, we can do it either way, can't we? >> I think thought you have to close the public hearing first.
>> I move that we close the public hearing on Zero Reservoir Road, PBSW255. >> I'll second. >> Moved and seconded. All in favor? I >> I >> I >> I move we approve the storm water permit for Zero Reservoir Road, PBSW255
with standard conditions and the sight specific condition that town council review the submitted draft homeowners association document. >> I'll second. >> Moved and seconded. Any discussion? >> All in favor? >> I bang around. So, board members,
tomorrow I'll write up the decision, send it to all of you, send it to Justin, um, and we'll we'll give you the rest of the week to get back with uh, uh, edits or things that I missed. Um,
at if we don't hear back from you, Lee's going to call you in next week to sign and that'll be that. >> Great. Now, does that mean that you're ready to go with the ANR? >> Yep. So, two items. So, we'll turn
around submit the ANR for the next plant board meeting. And then at this time, I would request that the special permit for the common driveway be withdrawn without prejudice. >> Move that we accept the withdrawal without prejudice for special permit for Zero Reservoir Road PBS 25-10.
>> Second. >> Moved and seconded. All in favor? Hi. >> Um, this >> we can approve the ANR. >> I said I was going to say does the ANR need >> it's not changing. Is it >> myar? >> I owe you a myar and I we held off
because with the easements we wanted to make sure everything was squared away. >> So, >> okay. >> Yep. No worries. I can get that over. >> All right. >> Take care of at the next meeting. >> Great. Then we'll see you in a couple weeks and we'll square that away. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. All right. That means Zero
Reservoir Road checked off for tonight. Happy to see that. And next up will be the storm water permit 460 Cross Road. If you're following along at home and want
to use Open Gov, this would be PBSW 2611. And because this is the first time we've seen the storm water permit, we do need to open the public hearing formally. Uh, the Lunberg Planning Board will hold
a public hearing on Monday, April 27th, 2026 at 6 PM Town Hall, 17 Main Street, Lunberg, Mass to hear and review a storm water permit application uh for a single family home at 30 Pine Grove Road, a single family home at 64
Crossroad, a duplex at 68 Cross Road, and an addition to the dwelling at 60 Cross Road pursuant to chapter 204. 4 storm water and storm sewers of the code of the town of Lunenburgg. Subject property information. Uh the address is
60 cross road Lunberg Mass. Assessor's map 99 parcel numbers 10 11 12 and 12.1 or 12 comma 1. Uh applicant is Christopher Anderson Hanigan Engineering
8 Monument Square Lemonster Mass 01452. Uh owner is Timothy K. Gendrin, trustee of 60 Crossroad Realy Trust 60 Crossroad Lunenberg, Mass01462. You can view materials online at
lunmberergmma.al.openggov.com/arch with record idpsw11 via an email request to the planning office planning lunenbergmma.gov gov or in person at the planning office at 960 Mass Avenue in Lunenburgg. >> Great. Take it away. All right. All
righty. Uh for the record, Chris Anderson with Hanning Engineering here on behalf of the Timothy K. Gendrin um property owner of the site. Uh just to orientate ourselves here on the plan in front of you tonight, we have uh Pine Grove Road that's along located along
the lower portion of the property with Cross Road going in a general north south direction on the plan itself. Uh 30 Pine Grove is located to the westerly portion of the site obviously off Pine Grove Road. Uh from the intersection with Pine Grove and Crossroad, you go
with 68 which is the proposed duplex. uh 64 which is a single family house as and then 60 cross road is the existing single family house. Uh just to give a little bit of history about the property uh we were before the conservation commission um about 2 years ago now. Um
at the time the applicant uh Mr. Jendren was looking at developing only two of the lots in an addition. Uh so the thresholds were never reached for the storm water management permits. So if you were to drive to the site today, there has been work that's been commenced under a notice of intent
issued by the conservation commission. >> Okay. >> Uh so at that time we were well below the threshold. Um and the last few months, Mr. Gendron has looked at uh developing 30 Pine Grove uh to incorporate an additional single family house and that's what kicked us over
that threshold. Uh so uh just putting that out there to the board that we weren't trying to get anything around anybody. We were just >> changing the plan as we went unfortunately on this one. >> Yeah. And for the members of the public who are here um storm there are certain events that can
trigger a storm water permit and because in many municipalities residential in many municipalities in Massachusetts residential may not even ever trigger storm water permit. In Lunenburgg, we have traditionally, I mean by law over
the years, been very thoughtful about protecting our watershed and water supply. And because of that, uh, certain amounts of work, really work over an acre, even if it's spread among a few laws, I say work, I mean ground
disturbance, um, does also trigger our storm water permit. And that's why you will sometimes have someone coming in who started a project, plans change, and now there's a need for a storm water permit. >> Okay. Uh so as part of the storm water
uh permit, uh we did incorporate several additional uh water or storm water management practices into each individual lot in order to bring the site into compliance. Uh for the purposes of going through the lots, I'll start with 30 Pine Grove, explain that briefly, and then move on down the road
if you will. Um so 30 Pine Grove Road, uh we're proposing a single access drive into the property. Uh that driveway will have a diaphragm filter strip uh that has um crush stone depth to it that uh captures the first flush of runoff, allows it to naturally infiltrate into
the ground, and then allows for surplus storm events to continue on towards the wetland area. Um, in addition to that, we are proposing a roof drain uh dry well system in the back portion of the property uh in order to capture the rooftop runoff uh for the proposed
building. Uh the storm water management features limited to exclusively on the lot. So there's no shared infrastructure on this property itself. Uh water and sewer will utilize municipal services. Uh there's an existing water mane that cuts through the property going towards
the Lake Wham area and there is an existing low pressure sewer system within Pine Grove and it's our intent to tap into those. So no septics or domestic wells on this one. Uh we have filed with the conservation commission for this and uh for a new notice of intent and we are intended to be heard
on May 6th if I remember correctly. Uh so at 68 Cross Road, this would be the proposed duplex structure. Um has a single driveway entrance into the property to service the actual structure itself. Uh we've incorporated two additional or drywall systems into this
property to capture the runoff from each of the individual units themselves. uh to provide the storm water compliance. Uh we did get an order of conditions for this uh site uh back in 2024. Uh we are looking to uh request a field change
from the commission that also will be heard on the 56. Uh this one will tie into the domestic sewer system within uh Crossroad and the houses or the units will be serviced by two individual uh private water supplies.
So on this plan before you right here, we have both 64 and 60 cross road because they're in close proximity to one another. Uh 64 cross road, the single family house has um remained generally intact with the original approvals with the conservation
commission. Uh it has a single uh dry well system that captures the roof runoff as well. Uh allows for natural recharge um as part of the storm water management program. Uh this site will be serviced by a new domestic well as well as the public sewer system. So no sewer
or septic system on the property. Um 60 cross road um has a little bit more of intensive use. Uh the um land owner is looking to put an addition onto the existing structure uh with a new driveway entrance feeding that actual structure. It's going to be a drive
under with a living space on top. Um the driveway will incorporate a filter diaphragm strip similar to what's on 30 Pine Grove to capture that first flush and to allow for natural recharge. Um in addition to that, this lot has an a very extensive
backyard area. That's how I want to put it. Um so in order to provide additional compliance with the regulations, we're proposing to uh construct a small infiltration basin in the back. Um it's built into the actual existing topography of the site. So we're
building a small burm around the lower portion in order to capture it and then have a small outlet pipe in order to allow the natural release of water uh during larger events. Uh based on the calculated storm events for this uh feature, we're looking at only about a 6 to 4 inch ponding depth at the
100red-year storm event. So it's quite minimal. Um besides that, that site remains generally intact minus those uh points I just discussed. Uh we did receive peer review early this morning. Um we are working towards addressing those
comments. Uh most of them were generally clerical in nature with a few minor modifications to the plan. Um and uh Graves Engineering had requested additional soil testing. So uh we're working with the site contractor to schedule a time to get that taken care
of. Um with that being said, um obviously there's still some issues to resolve with the peer review. Uh so we came tonight just to get initial feedback from the board and the uh general public. Um but with that being said, um it's the general gist of the
project. If there's any questions from the board, I'll be more happy. So, you're adding another dwelling unit as an accessory apartment. >> No, no, no. It's one addition to the existing house. >> So, there's no additional dwelling unit on it. >> Okay. All right. Just another room.
>> Just another big room on the building. >> Got it. >> Um I think this is the first time in my years in the planning board I've seen the words volleyball court on a uh on a on a site plan. >> Yeah. Um,
so yeah, now none of the storm water facilities are shared on any of the lots. Is that correct? >> Correct. >> Great. >> Love it. That makes it easy. Um, questions from the board. >> Is the property owner the ultimate
developer of the additional lots? Are they going to be sold? Is there an agreement already? >> So, the um property owner, Mr. gender and owns all the lots and is developing all the lots. >> Okay. So, that leads into my next
request. Um, we've recognized and we've been told by folks that when we do one storm water permit for multiple dwellings, it creates a burden at occupancy. So, we're looking at implementing phased permitting for the
storm water. So, it will be one permit that covers the four lots. So in order to function in that, it would be helpful if you would provise provide us with a phasing plan. And I would ask that you include a
construction schedule um more not necessarily tied to specific months or days, but tied to progress so that we're not dealing with four or three open lots at a time. and we understand where
progress happens when things start to progress and we can close a phase out and we can move on to the next phase or open an additional lot because um I I don't have an issue with the plans as they're developed. It just over time if all three of them are open at the same
time, it can be >> problematic for our friend down there who works for the town. We we've heard that from a number of developers that if if you include include multiple lots in one storm water permit >> that it gets hung up when they start
selling those lots. >> Yeah. Which is why I want the phasing so that we can understand that as you know house one is we're finishing the mechanicals and and boarding we're going to open up lot two and start the foundation. But then I would look for
phase one of the first lot to be completed and closed prior to moving on to lot three. >> Y >> and that will just give us a completion and >> correct. Yeah, exactly. >> Understood. Um, and I think for me, and and I I'm
only one member, but the property owner's home, I think, can be sort of phase one and the first lot could be phase 1 A. And I don't think there's an issue with them happening at the same time because where he occupies the home,
um, they're going to be on site and most people don't like to mess up their own property too much. Yep. So, I will confirm with uh the property owner. I think the additions towards the end >> the selling of the other lots >> and that's fine if they if they want to do the lots and then do theirs at the
end that that's great. I just know >> sometimes you start a project like this and you're like I can't wait to have my garage or you know Christmas is coming and I need the great room whatever. >> Yeah. No, understood. >> Um and we got the peer review back on this today.
>> Yep. Okay. Great. So, um, did you I don't even know if you've had a a chance to really review the peer review yet. It if there's anything you wanted to talk about there, don't feel obligated. That's an invitation, not a >> Understood. No, no, it's all good. Um, I
did look through it. Uh, nothing is of major concern. Um, if the board would like, I can run through them and how I'm intending on addressing them, but >> No, no, I don't see you. >> I don't want to bore anybody. Um my only other question, have you petitioned the sewer commission for the additional
>> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah, they've all been petitioned. Um I believe some of the connections have already been extended onto the site. >> Um so it's like I said, we started the construction process last summer and then this past winter the additional lot
got added and so it's unfortunately in a halfway point between starting and going. And um I mean doesn't really directly pertain to this per se, but these are already separate lots. So we're not >> correct. So this board approved an ANR
plan last fall. Uh okay. So that separated the single family house from the existing house lot. >> Got it. Great. All right. Um I'll see if there's other board comment that I'm going to go to the public.
Okay. Um again this is for the storm water permit for 60 cross road. Do we have any public comment again and we have some here and I will invite the speaker up. If you have some online just use the hand raise feature and we'll
make note. Come on up please. And what I will ask you to do is when you get to the microphone, the first thing just please share your name and your address so we have it for the record and the floor is yours. >> Okay. Uh John Paula uh and Patricia
Paula, 63 Laura Lane. Um, now when we built this house 17 years ago, John, but we got a lot of um water
rights, not water rights, but uh uh the natural waters back there. We got assessed for all of that for taxes. So now we have a strip
that runs right in the back over here. And uh it seems to encompass the uh that second lot 12 I think or a 42 or I'm not really sure. It's kind of small but it says RB and not I don't know what RB
means. Is that uh resident building? Is that what that means? >> It's the zoning district. >> Oh it's a zoning district. And so if there and the thing that I've noticed about it that it slopes back, the whole thing slopes back at a certain point in
the middle slopes back and then it really dives down and it goes into the water. So I'm wondering is that going into something that I'm paying for is my point. Okay. And so why should he
do that? going into my what I'm paying. It's not really my property. I mean, it's the town's property or the waterway property, but I'm paying taxes. It's more mine than his. You know what I'm saying? So, uh
you you see that, sir? >> So, I was going to say 63 Laurel. >> Yeah. 63 Laurel. So, if you want to take a look at this and I pulled this off of the uh uh the town the town maps that they have and uh if you want to take a
look at it. >> No, we right here. >> We can take a look at what anything but then we have to keep it and scan it in for record. That's all. >> It's right here. Could you could we pick that up please and put it on and then please do show again
where you're talking about >> original property line is here. >> He needs to speak into the microphone so folks >> thank you. That's right. I apologize. Thank you. I do need you to speak into the microphone. >> It just pulls out.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. No, because we can hear you, but our friends on TV and for the recording, we don't have it. So, please do explain again. >> Okay. Tim's original property line is right here. >> Can you bring the microphone a little closer?
>> Oh, yeah. >> You understand? >> Okay. So, right here. Okay. That goes right up to my property line. And uh so uh I I don't know if he did any water um
storm water back then on that. >> Uh we did if he it was before 2018. He didn't. That was when >> before 2018. Oh, really? >> Yeah. That was when our storm water bylaw came into effect. >> And and if if the original home didn't
create more than 40,000 ft of disturbance, he wouldn't have been required to do it. >> Okay. So, your concern is storm water shedding onto your property. >> Yes. >> So, I'm going to direct you to the map that you're looking at. >> You see those medium and dark green
areas? >> Medium. Yeah. Right here. The light. >> Yep. And then the dark green. Those are undisturbed areas. >> The the light sort of icy green is the disturbed area. So any water that's currently running in those undisturbed areas will continue to
>> and the areas within the icy green are intended to be and designed to be captured per the description that Mr. Anderson gave of the storm water systems and that's why we hire an outside engineer to review his work and ensure
that he's meeting our standards and the state standards. >> Well, I get that. Okay, I understand all of that. Okay. But it's still the fact is it's still runoff going in my property unless they put something else
to divert it. Maybe a COVID going into a basin. Uh would would be the only way that I would say, "Yeah, okay." But you know, my point is how come he doesn't buy it? Just buy this off of me then if you want to use
all of that. >> Well, so that's a separate conversation. Well, yeah, it was a separate conversation. >> But when you purchased that property, >> yes, >> even if this property were vacant, there was still water running from that property. Water follows the natural
course and physics says it runs downhill. >> Well, they kind of changed it a little bit, don't you think, with the the bulldozer that they have there, they kind of changed the slope a little bit. >> So, >> they have Okay. If you mean for the
current work that's been done. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, up until now, now I I have not been to the site, so I can't comment about on the ground situation. I'm going to be speaking very gently. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. >> Um, up until now, they have not done
work that has triggered the need for the storm water >> uh for the storm water permit. >> Yes, I noticed that. So now with the work coming in, with the additional work that will be done, that does trigger the need for the storm water permit. >> Yeah.
>> And that now comes before us and our job is to make sure that the local and state requirements are being met. Paraphrasing those on a high level, those requirements
broadly say, now there's some caveats and exceptions. There always are with anything legal, but broadly say that the water leaving the property after the work is done should be about the should be the same
amount in the same as the water leaving the property before the work. And would you say that's an adequate explanation? >> That was a good explanation. >> Okay. So that means that once the work is done um our job is to make sure that
their engineer has designed something and that our engineer agrees that um that that will be the end that should be the end result. >> So there should not be a change once
everything is settled. It should be what it status quo. No more water leaving the property than exists pre-development. Correct. >> But that bothers me. All right. It does. I'm sorry. Okay. When somebody, you know, I'm not saying that they're doing it intentionally. It's the storm water
thing that you're talking about, but if it's going into something that I own, >> I don't like that. >> I You don't have to like it, and I understand why you wouldn't. Um, we are bound as a board. by by the local laws of the town and
state laws regarding storm water. And that's what the state law and our municipal laws say. We are not free to start layering additional requirements. That's not an option we have as a board
to say, well, >> yeah. So then then basically I have to take it on the chin. Is that what you're telling I'm not telling I I am saying to you >> the way it has been >> for the past however long the house has been there
>> is the way we are here to make sure it remains that way. If you feel you've been taking it on the chin for 15 years, then >> Well, I mean that >> Well, I I Well, because >> because he's he's opened up this land
and he wants to put homes on it. That's changed everything. >> It does change things. And that's >> Well, that's that's my point. >> It's changing everything. Before there were houses there, everything was fine, hunky dory, and uh you know, storm water
could go anywhere. So, uh, now it's pinpointed >> and so what's happened is their engineer has identified the way the storm water was flowing and then has designed a system that
should keep storm water basically the same way overall. Our engineer who they pay for the t taxpayers don't pay for that. it is the applicant's job to pay our engineer
um make sure and says yes I agree or no I don't and here's the changes I want to see to protect other nearby property owners we are not enabling we don't have a choice by law
>> are they doing that >> yes >> are you protecting are you protecting my rights here >> you Okay, everybody. >> Yes, please. >> So, I apologize. I probably should have gone a little bit deeper into the how the hydraology of the site works. So,
the entire site drains to an existing covert system with within Crossroad. So, everything flows, if you will, from the north south into the wetland down into the site and in through the culvert. So we designed everything to be reviewed at the culvert because that's when water
physically leaves our property. >> So the site generally drains in the north south direction. There's an existing area of upland that creates a barrier between what I'm presuming is your property >> and what Mr. Gendron's actually doing. So there's no water directly discharging
onto your property. It's discharging into the wetland on our property and then directing itself towards crossroad. But that's a good salt there. I mean that is a deep that is a deep salt
coming like this and it's filtering down here. You can see the >> So that is >> and we take that into consideration and effectively all the discharge points are due south of that. So that's below grade of this. >> Was that with the culvert that you use
or something like that? the the culvert's below elevation wise from the site. It's lower than that, but you're up hill up high and the water is flowing from your property onto our property. The discharge points for our storm water system are on the lower portion below
your property. >> Yeah, that's very elevation. >> Correct. >> Lower. So it it's been like that ever since I've owned the house and the property. So uh but if it's flowing like
that it's flowing like that and going on because of these houses we got to do something >> and we are addressing that I don't I don't want to see trash. >> So what the >> So the only thing we can address here tonight
>> is storm water. We can't control the the quality of neighbors and if they discard things, they shouldn't be discarding things that end up on your property. And if they did, there's legal means to address that. Here at the planning board tonight, we are here for a storm water
permit. The only thing we can look at is storm water. And we have the engineer who's telling you that it has been the way it's been designed to flow away from your property. And um I haven't had a chance to do a deep dive on our
peerreview engineers stuff myself yet because it came in this afternoon. >> But on a very high level glance, I don't see anything from the peerreview engineers points that would indicate there is going to be additional runoff
in your area. Now, if it's in there, it's all a matter of public record and the applicant's engineer does have to address the points made by the engineer hired to protect your land. >> Yeah. >> And if you're concerned about that strip
of land, you and the property owner, you can approach him and try to negotiate that transfer in in whatever means you see fit, but that's outside of the authority of this board. You have about two and a half acres. That strip from
the property abuing you on Laurel Lane to the end is about a half an acre. So, you would likely be within zoning still, but there's no obligation for the property owner to purchase it from you. >> Yes, >> that's certainly something that is a
civil matter that the two of you can discuss outside of this hearing. >> Yeah, I understand. I thought there was another one in here too. Isn't there any addition? Okay.
>> Uh I guess >> great. >> Well, thank you very much for coming in tonight. If you do have questions about the process, do let us know. >> Yep. Yep. But we are as a board we're happy to help. We are limited in what we
can look at. >> I do just want to make one comment, Mr. Chair, if it's okay. I've found in the past that typically the engineers for the projects are pretty kind and easy to work with. So I think if you do have an issue and maybe you want to send him a
picture of what you're talking about, I I think they are willing to work with other homeowners if I'm not overstepping. They can answer your questions. They can take a look at what you're saying. So, you know, they are available for you. >> Yes.
>> Good. Thank you. >> Is there other public comment for the store water permit for 60 Cross Road? >> I assume we've had no hands on Zoom, correct? Okay. I see none in the room.
Um, other questions from the board at this time? >> Anything else you want to share with us tonight? >> Uh, no sir. Uh, we have the comments or the um comments from the board and the peer review and we'll look to address those over the next couple weeks.
>> Okay. Uh, when would you like when would you like to continue to >> um I'm hoping to have a machine out there probably by the end of the week. So, if the next available meeting uh >> that will be May 11th, >> May 11th work for you. >> I believe that should be able to work
for me. If not, I'll reach out to Mr. Wallace. >> Okay. We do not have a second meeting in May. >> Okay. >> Because uh our typical meeting date would fall on Memorial Day. >> Understood. >> So, May 11th and then our next scheduled
meeting is June 8th. I move we continue the 60 crossroad PBSW2611 hearing to 11 May at 6:35 or 6:05.
>> Second moved and seconded. All in favor? >> I. >> Great. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. All right, friends. That is two sets of public hearing down. >> Oh, if you have a if you do have a
question, come on up. That's fine. >> Again, just to be thorough, reshare your name and address again when you come up. Just for completion, >> John and Patricia Paula, uh, 63 Laurel Lane. Uh, does does Tim Tim Gundron does
he own all the wetland right up to Pinerove? I don't know that off the top. I would have to review and look at that plan. That could be a question. You could approach the applicant's engineer while he's in the room with you if he happens to know that off the top of his head.
That's something you could check in uh GIS as well. >> GIS, >> which is you can find that on the town website. That is >> effectively municipal mapping software. It's like Google maps for property boundaries. >> Very live. >> Yep. Okay.
>> And so you can see that there. >> All right. Thanks. >> You're welcome. >> Okay. Um, next up would be we have storm water permits for 222
West Townsend Road. And this is continued from our um, April 13th meeting. Howdy. Uh Chris Stoddard started engineering on behalf of the applicant. Um so we're back. Question. Did you get
a response from >> No. Graves is still reviewing your revised plan and your response to comment. >> Okay. Okay. So we can go through the other stuff though. So, um we did go out last week and we did do um a series of um
test bidding. Uh we did put together the soil reports and we did forward that to the town. Um and based on the comments of the board last time, we did get um clarification on lot four, I believe it was, um
regarding the trench going out into the right of way. The um highway superintendent or DPW director had no issue with that. Um, we did update the plans to include planting counts. Um, so what we kind of did is I took
full bloom out and I kind of tried to size them as if they were taking up all the space. So that's what the different uh counts of um in the planting plans on each um on each lot. Um I think that was
basically most of everything we had to discuss um to update. So, and we're waiting on a response from Graves, you said. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> I >> Oh, please. >> No. Um,
right after you sent in your revised plan and your uh response to comment letter, I I got that right off to Graves, but they just weren't able to get it for tonight. >> All right, we're waiting on response from Graves.
In the meantime, do we have other questions or comments from the board? Not at this moment as we're waiting on that, but this is a public hearing. Hey public, do you want to chime in on
222 West Townson Road? You can raise your hand. >> Hand on the back of the room on Zoom. >> Yep. >> Oh, there is a hand on Zoom. >> I think that's the cursor hand. >> Oh, is it? >> Oh, is it? Is that the cursor hand? Oh, yes it is. Never mind.
>> Oh, I I was so excited. We were going to have feedback. It was going to be like the dark horse from Zoom. Who is it? Was it? No. >> All right. >> All right. Okay. So, thank you for the thank you for the updated info. And it sounds like we are
still waiting on the on Graves. And so, um, when would you like to see us next? >> I mean, assuming we get >> 11th would be the next meeting, right? >> Yes. >> Yeah. And I would hope we'd have a response. >> I'm sure they'll be able to respond. >> Yeah. Before then.
>> Great. Um, if that works for you, we could have a motion to continue. I move we continue the storm water permits for 222 West Townsen Road, PBSW26-2 through 5 to 11 May at 605.
>> Second. >> Moved and seconded. All in favor? I. >> Thank you. >> See you in a couple weeks. >> Okay, those were fast public hearings. Woo. Um again it I don't think there's been
any change but the 860 new west town road site plan review storm water permit and special permit uh have requested continuence so we won't be looking at those tonight. I move we continue 860 New West Towns
and Road, PBSA26-1, PBSP26-1, and PBSW26-1 to 11 May at 6:05 p.m. >> I will second. >> Moved and seconded. All in favor? I
>> I Okay, perfect. And now we're on for decisions and business. uh a bond for storm water work extension at 7-Eleven Massav.
>> So board members, um I visited the site with Jeff from Graves Engineering and the applicant's engineer. Um the storm water controls were in place uh wellkept.
Um still some loming and seating that needs to be done and the grass needs to take hold. Um, the applicant suggested a bond amount of 14,500. Graves, knowing that we wanted a 30%
escalator, suggested that we set the bond amount at 18,500. And I sent you the Graves um report today. It came in this afternoon. They're >> in your folder, too. Yep.
Uh, sure. Come on out. For the record, Dan Sheen with Hilly Ward. I just want to at least thank you guys for being here today and just want to at least let you know if you have any technical questions as well. I'm the applicants engineer. I'd be more than happy to answer those questions as well. >> Great. Thank you. Yep.
>> What's the method of seeding? Is it hydro seed, lmen seed, sod? >> Yep. Uh, it's been hydro seed over there. >> Okay. So, it has been hydro seeded. Yep. >> All right. All right. Do we have questions or thoughts? Seems straightforward to me. Um I
believe some of them are already occupied. No. >> Correct. >> That is correct. >> I move that we uh set the bond at 18,500 for 7-Eleven Massav. Uh cash bonds
>> to be I was going to say I was looking for uh see if there was a number uh yes to be paid in cash and with no release until a minimum of uh 1 November 2026. Looks like we have a question in the audience.
>> All right. Please, if you're going to speak, I need you to come up to the microphone. >> I'll withdraw my motion while we hear this. >> Thank you. And you're going to share your name and your address. So we have that for the record. >> Sure. Nick Marino 711 messav unit 3. I don't know if they want to speak as
well, but this is a bunch of the owners from the HOA. Is this open to discussion at this point? Um we just have some concerns I guess with the situation. >> I I am I'm allowed to take public feedback at any point. So please
>> Sure. Um so I think in the report we just saw the report ourselves. Speaking of the microphone, we saw the report post online. I I know that you had mentioned that um the grass is starting to take hold and it was hydro seated. Well, correct. Um it was hydro seated right before the winter time and a lot of the grass is not taking hold. There
is clear erosion like essentially canyons to the dirt. So, we're concerned that the erosion is going to really not make the grass grow and it already is like a non-stable non flat ground. Um so, I I would just ask that you like read the wording carefully on the report that we just reviewed as well. I think
this is the same one in front of you. um rehydro seating or something would probably be >> and that that would be the purpose of this bond is we would get a cash amount equal to the cost of re hydro seating plus a 30% increase so we can adjust for
the straight of her moose closing or y >> someone doing something else stupid in the world and until the vegetation establishes it would need to be 75% or more established and our engineer verifies that such is true
along with the town planner, they would not get the money back. >> If it continued to go too long, this board has the right at that point to claim those funds >> and perform the hydro seeding. That's our least favorite thing to do because it's just a giant pain.
>> I wouldn't prefer that, >> which is why we asked for cash because cash is easier to get than other forms of shity. Uh in order to reestablish the grass, they would need to have appropriate and sufficient grading which would include filling those rivullets,
doing the fine grading per the approved plan. All of which would be reflected in asbuilt plan that would be submitted by the applicants engineer reviewed by our town planner and our review engineer at the applicant's cost. >> So after November 1st,
the owner could come in and say, "Hey, I'd like to have my bond released." At that point, our engineer goes out there along with myself and their engineer >> and we make sure that everything's in place, everything's done, and at that
point, if it is, we can release their bond. >> Yeah. Sorry, I >> I'm familiar with that. I'm I'm a little bit concerned cuz we spoke to someone from Lake View um who is the company doing the hydra seeding recently. Uh and they mentioned that it's not in their plan to rehydro seed. Um and the the
owner uh mentioned to us that he's additionally not planning on making sure that grass actually grows. He's just going to put seed down and not water it and stuff like that. >> Get a response from the applicant engineer. >> So I don't know if that's true or not. Frankly, we we hope that it's not true and that it all works out, but I just
we're interested in just getting a list of like what the situation will be. You said that would be a bond for work to be done. We'd like for the work to be done to be outlined. >> I don't know if that's reasonable. >> Well, let's let the applicants engineer respond.
>> Again, Dan Shim, Haley Ward, uh, news to me. Um, so my understanding was that everything is supposed to be hydro seated again. I know I personally wouldn't sign off until I saw vegetative growth. Um, as part of that work that is outlined in the bond estimate, there was some room for loming that was to kind of
address some of the scouring erosion that was brought up by the HOA members to kind of give it a nice little top dress have to get rehydro seated again as well as the 74 bay 2 that still needs some work as well. So, all those line items were at least adjusted for u. But
by all means, I personally wouldn't feel comfortable signing off on anything until I see vegetative growth and we'd have to make sure that at least again reaches that EPA's 75% for actual coverage. So, >> Lee, is the bond estimate letter is that
something they can find on open govern it is. Okay. All right. >> Okay. Good. All right. So um the the answer has been that um I think from a couple both from the applicants
engineer and from the town side that no one's looking to have this signed off on and we have our engineer as well to verify that the requirements will be met and again we're limited to state requirements but we and municipal but we
can hold their f hold their feet to the fire there. >> Sure. We're not trying to make trouble. We're just trying to make sure it gets done. I mean, we all hope it gets done. Um, but the Lake View person saying that just really made us nervous. >> And it could be a variety of things. I mean, builders are in this business to
make money. And they often, again, I this project's been going on for at least four years, probably longer. Um, and sometimes they don't contract with the same person. Lake View is a local reputable company. Uh, I don't know what
pricing looks like, but often they have a contract to do X work and that's done. So, they may not have bid a reed. Um, so it's sometimes hard to get a contractor to give anything beyond what they've
already committed to do being Lake View. Uh, but the this board, like was said, is here to make sure that the project is completed per the approval. >> Great. Thank you. I have a question. >> Please come on up. Share your name and
your address. And >> hi, good evening. My name is Ravi Krishna Swami. I stay in unit 6 on the same location 7-Eleven Mass Avenue. >> Yep. >> My question is, is this hydro seeding only for the storm water area or is it for the entire property area like back
back of the homes? >> The all of the disturbed area has to be made stable. And so the hydra seeding I mean it's being made stable one way or another. So in general it's for everything that's been disturbed unless
it's stabilized another way. I don't know the plans off the top of my head for the fall thing but everything should be stabilized one way or another. >> Thank you. The reason I am raising this question because the hydro seeding has never been applied for units back of the
unit five six part of seven I just talked to the builder last week I showed him that because they have been just with the weeds even in the picture what you are showing you didn't show the exact back of the home picture for the hydro seeding it's only weeds are there
when I bought the home last year May 9th 2025 I bought the home it was fully weed were there. They said they will fix the weeds by the springtime and they will be replacing with the hydro seeding. I was thinking they going to do it but they did hydro seeding everywhere except
these three areas where building unit five back of that unit six back of it and between six and seven the sideways plus part of back of seven they did it but they did eight they did on the front they did on the sideways everywhere 1 2 3 4 they did it I thought they are going
to come back and did that do that it didn't happen but I complained to the owner who is Mr. Matt Nolan last week only because I was out of country for a while when I talked to him last week he said I'm sorry Ravi first time I'm hearing this and he said he's going to
talk to the whatever that lake view person and then they're going to fix it I hope this by this November they'll be fixing it but I want to put it on record they have not hydro seeded even a single time for these three areas as per the picture the picture doesn't clearly show
that that's what I wanted to bring it up for records >> right thank you I do I want to give you the chance to clarify. >> I just want to clarify for the board. I know we're hearing a lot of unit numbers 5 67. So please, HOA, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the area he's talking about is pretty much from the
Massav street view all the way to the units. There's those few units in the back which I I don't know the numbers off the top of my head. There's a very small area, small retaining wall in the back and that has been hydro seated and seems to be establishing some growth. I think what everyone else is here is kind of um voicing as well is that the units
in the front between the road and the units you'll see from the public view that still hasn't been hydro seated and they are entirely correct. It it hasn't been hydro seated. You can see some scouring nothing too major but at the same time too there is some sedimentation erosion controls. Am I misunderstanding?
>> Opposite >> you did do the front the back of that behind that conservation. >> I I do I apologize. I do need all discussion at the microphone >> just because it otherwise the TV doesn't have it. We don't have it in our
>> reference. All I'm saying is when you enter the front is I'm not talking on the road facing side. I'm talking on the back of my unit. See from my back house back of my bedroom from the top I look at the backyard there is a fence there is a one more fence and then there the
conservation. So in that area it's completely empty. There is no seedings at all. >> Is is this the the picture you're referring to? this one here with the retaining wall. >> Yeah. If you look at the >> the fence between the fence and the back of the hole, that area, if you walk in, you will see that.
>> Thank you. >> So, for the record, just with all the pictures showing everything like that, that area is the the basin area itself. It has seen some significant work over the last, you know, say a few months. Um, it's been sitting dormant for most of the winter, I imagine. Um, but you
are correct. It does need to get reed and everything like that as well. >> Okay, great. Wonderful. Do you have another >> I guess I just >> just to reiterate, could we get the commitments on what will be redone saying hydro seating in the back has
never been done and then rehydro seating everywhere else for example? I don't know if we can get that committed. >> The commitment here I would say for HOA and for the board is to make sure that the site has been um constructed in accordance with the site plans themselves. that includes all the disturbed areas to be seated. Um,
typically done by hydro seated. It's been used there in the past. So, I would presume that would be the same method of application as well. U means and methods would be on the contractor. Um, but for the funding sake, we would be covering for hydro seeding the loming to cover any type of scouring that has occurred
as well as the needed repairs as well um for the storm water system itself. So yes, the make sure I'm clear for the HOA. The the seating itself will to make sure that there is uh grass growth established throughout the entire site where there is no imperous surfaces.
>> So I want to make I want to restate what I believe I heard said because I want to make sure I think we're all on the same page, but I want to make sure. Um the number we're talking about tonight include the for the bond and everything
includes the cost of hydro seeding. Now the the requirement is that the area be appropriately stabilized and covered and with grass growth that can be done by other ways than hydro
seeding. So it might be the case that whoever they hire handles the any additional grass growth that has to happen differently than hydro seeding. Okay, I'm getting nods out there. Great. I just wanted to make sure we're all on the same page and I
don't want people going, "But they said they'd hydraed and there was this other way and is that okay?" Love it. Okay, great. Um, I am glad we can provide a place to make sure that we're all on the
same page. And as a side note, um, some of you have lived there for a bit yet, but still, let me say thank you for moving to Lunenburgg. I'm glad you're here. >> I actually moved from Long Island. That's good. My kids are here nearby.
So, that's the reason I moved and I feel it's very comfortable. >> Well, thank you. And I'm happy to steal people from uh New York whenever we can. Um, >> absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Must be like paradise compared to Long Island.
>> All right. Okay. I move that we accept a bond for $18,500 for the LMAN seed or hydro seed of 7-Eleven Massav to stabilize the storm water uh to be paid in cash uh and not to be
released before 1 November 2026. >> Second moved and seconded. All in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> So, board members, I will prepare the bond paperwork tomorrow and send it out to you and you
>> um once your client brings in a a uh a check and signs the paperwork. I'm going to need three signatures from the board members. Then, we'll put it in a uh a bond over with the Treasury.
you guys can get to work and we'll see you sometime after November when everything's done. >> Absolutely. Thank you guys very much. >> Great. >> Thank you. And thank you all for coming in tonight. Very much appreciated. >> All right.
>> Bam. So that is our decisions in business section. So for board discussions, I am going to apologize. I realized like midway through this afternoon I did not send out the master plan update to everyone. So I'm going to boot that to
our next meeting and then send it to us possibly before leaving this room tonight. Um you have my apologies there. And um my understanding is there something else we >> Yes, that just came in this afternoon
from the select board. Um the town has recently taken 250 and 356 Hollis Road through the tax title process. Um they said to handle this like the
right of first refusal pro uh process for chapter lands. Um, I set that out to you today along with the maps of the properties
250 Hollis Road. Has frontage on Hollis Road and West Street. It is 19 acres in size. 365 Hollis Road has a wee bit of frontage on Hollis
Road. >> Single family home. No, >> there is a building on it and it's 8 1/2 acres approximately. >> So, my understanding is we can't vote on this because it's not on the agenda, but we can discuss it because it came in later than the chair could reasonably
anticipate and place on the agenda. >> Well, the select board's going to be dealing with it on May 7th. >> We have to have an answer by May 7th because it's on the select board's May 12th meeting. Why does the select board need to why?
>> Well, we could >> if it's for the May 12th meeting, why do they need to have our answer before their meeting on May 12th? >> So, they can send out whatever we say in their packet. >> Well, sure, but it can't just be
>> I didn't say it made sense. I didn't think I didn't say it's the way that it could happen. And I said, "That's probably the reasoning. We could uh post a meeting for Saturday and vote after a discussion this evening since we'll
we'll all be at town meeting, right?" >> Hooray. >> I see some shy faces next to me. >> Yeah, >> I'm going to be in New York. Sorry. >> I mean, yeah. >> I mean, we could also schedule a meeting sometime next week and do a quick Zoom
if if we needed to have a vote. I'm not comfortable voting without it being on the agenda because what I don't want to do is say something and and get the open meeting law wrist slap or worse have them do something else
because our mo vote wasn't valid or appropriate. >> Uh that that was a more eloquently ver uh explained version of mine which is I feel like we can't do this if it's not on the agenda. like >> I mean we can talk about it because it wasn't reasonably anticipated they
received it today >> but we can't vote >> I wouldn't be comfortable voting >> you explained to the select board that um >> we we'll either schedule a Zoom meeting in advance of their vote or they're
going to get our vote the day before >> and I think if we give them the minutes from our discussion and say this is where we're going you'll have a final vote by your meeting they'll just have to live with it. >> Yeah. Yeah, I'm comfortable with that. I don't see the We're meeting before their meeting.
>> Yeah, the day before. >> Yeah. So, we don't have We will have our answer. Maybe before their meeting. Maybe not in a way for it to be >> distributed >> thoughtfully coalated into a document,
but um such as the >> I say if they want our input, that's how they're going to get it. >> Yeah. Next time, get it to us earlier. And I I they could >> if they took this and it's gone through land court, >> it didn't they didn't just know about it
today. This has been going on for a really long time. >> Uh >> looking at the property, I think both of them would be great for senior housing. >> 250 would not. >> It would. It wouldn't. Why? >> No. 250 is actually part of the old
Hollis Hills 40B development. It is a topographic mess. including a lot of ledge and a lot of um elevation change. The 40B development, if you go and look at that, there was a significant series of tall retaining
walls and it was never built because for a variety of reasons, but the cost of building it was excessive. >> Okay. I seem to remember um vaguely something about that. So I I you know
I'm not going to say that nobody will develop it. I think it has some significant wetlands. It has some topographic and >> I called up the wetlands coverage. It didn't >> No, I thought I thought there was a like some rivullets through there. Nothing
crazy, but enough that it kind of just I always find the GIS wetlands layers to be suspect. Uh and when you get on the ground, there's often some isolated wetlands or some intermittent streams that don't show up on the historic
layers. Um >> which are we which is the legal obligation the re reality or >> reality like you because you need to have a wetland scientist delineate the wetlands. So the GIS is just sort
offormational and historic. um a wetlands delineation is good for three years. So after after that because it's a natural feature expands and contracts you you have to go back and and redo it. So I, you know, and my
understanding of the changes to tax title law where up until like maybe a year ago, if we took this for tax title and we were owed $500,000 and the property was worth 1.2
million and we took it, that was the end of it. We took it, we kept it for municipal purposes. Now, we're obligated to pay the difference between the lean and fees
and the assessed value or the a um I'm losing the word. Uh when they come out and tell you how much your house is worth, >> the appraisal >> the appraisal the appraised value. So, we would need to have an appraisal done as part of it. And if we if we don't do
that, if we decide it doesn't have municipal purposes, it goes to auction. We take the claim for whatever we're owed and the remainder of value is returned to the property owner. And it's a significantly different process than it used to be. Um my understanding is
we're no longer allowed to RFP properties that we took that we take under tax title going forward. Um, and so we're essentially just doing an auction and the highest bidder Yeah.
>> takes. Um, so I guess I I didn't look too closely into the document, but do you know what the the uh leans are on the two properties? >> No. That would
impact my decision then. I I feel like there's a difference between we can there's a difference between property we have to shell out a ton of extra money for versus >> property we don't. >> And that's kind of why I put that out
there because >> I can find that out. >> Yeah. I mean the the the 250 I don't think is worth us taking for planning purposes. I think the cost and challenge of development of it um could be
potentially a quagmire that I don't think we want to get into. Um 350 uh if it's 356 rather if it's a a single family home >> 365 >> 365. Okay. I'm defin It says 356.
>> Uh that might be my error if it's on the map. >> It's on the memo. Oh, >> also, was this emailed out? >> Mhm. >> It was. It came in about 3:00 today. >> It was sent to planning board, >> 356 Hollis Road. I'm I'm sorry.
>> And that's my dyslexia. >> Oh, >> so, you know, a single family home, I think the town is going to be made more whole just selling it. Um, again, I I think that town developed
senior housing sounds wonderful. Oh, okay. I I also put 365 in. Um, 356 I might be in favor of actually holding. That's the old lake lodge. Um, >> how many acres does it say? >> It's four.7. >> Okay.
Um, it is a disaster of a property. It has a large building on it that probably should just be torn down. Um, there is heavy equipment strown about the parking area. Um, this is a thorn in the
townside going back decades. Um, they've had issues with folks living there. Uh, and you know, the building is covered in vines and other things on the side. Uh,
it's somewhat of a fire hazard. Uh, but the lot itself is relatively flat and either could provide four decent building lots or a small village style development. >> Sewer line going by.
>> Uh, no. And that's actually another shady thing that happened. Um there was in order to get sewer to that development, there was some um late night
property transactions and lot line moves to give the rear property some access to Electric A, which does have sewer. And there's some question as to whether or not there's infectious invalidity on the
property where Les's auto repair is. Um because Oh, isn't that interesting? It no longer shows us connected.
Um but no, there is no sewer to the property. Okay. Uh, but I believe the the site has a fairly sandy soil. So, a group septic system would probably work for a medium-sized senior development.
Uh, I guess my feeling would be if if 356 was in a rears greater than the appraised value or in a reasonable proximity to
it, it may be worth pursuing. Uh otherwise um I think similar to our last discussion for right of first refusal, I think the uh financial situation the town is in
makes it challenging to spend money to acquire properties. So let me get the lean amounts for both properties. We'll place this on the agenda for the 11th for a more wholesome discussion
>> and we'll let the select board know that um sorry but uh you'll have to wait until the day of to get our response or attend our meeting. >> All right. >> All right. Great.
>> Does me Talon do our tax title or do we have a separate >> I don't know. Um, she mentioned somebody in the letter. >> Expect this to read >> a big long memo.
>> No, this is the other one. >> Tax title attorney David Copala. >> Oh, okay. >> All righty then. Okay, friends. It's time for committee reports.
Um, master plan steering committee. Nothing to report. Correct. Open space committee. >> Uh, we met before the last meeting. >> All right. Municipal building design
committee uh met as this meeting was beginning. So I can't tell you the results of that meeting. Um, I I did communicate with the chair of that committee that I simply I cannot meet the night, same night as planned
board meetings because a 5:30 meeting before the 6:00 pm meeting I'm chairing and need to be physically present for isn't accomplishable. Um, municip Oh, yep. Capital Planning
Committee will be meeting uh this th the intent is to meet this Thursday. I don't know if the agenda's been put in yet um to go over more last minute changes be I mean the the last minute changes because
this has been a uniquely challenging budget year. >> It's weird. um economic development committee did meet what was it two weeks ago? >> Two weeks ago
and I'm blanking on that a little bit what we did there. >> Um we talked about making sure that the town clerk notifies the EDC when they issue a new business license.
uh because the EDC would like to uh work with the regional chamber of commerce, North Central Mass Chamber of Commerce to um host some ribbon cutting events for our new businesses.
So, there's that. We've had a good handful of new businesses open in town recently that people probably aren't aware of. I mean, everyone notices Ruby Donuts. They don't notice necessarily the new gym, the new kids uh care or
play place. Yes. >> Ruby Donuts in the gym aren't really congruous. >> They are if you spend enough time on the rowing machine. >> I've made my choice. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Me, too. >> They need each other to survive. >> He knows my first name.
>> Well, the owners brought in like a dozen donuts to the building department just to get us hooked. So, >> it just shames all the other doughnut places. >> Smart business move. >> So, good. >> Unreasonably so. >> Well, that was the bulk of what we
discussed at EDC. >> I'm actually Lindsay and I were traveling on Ruby Donuts opening day. Opening day were in Vegas at the time. Look, the food in Vegas is great, but we were a little sad to miss opening day. >> I definitely didn't buy a dozen and go
back and buy another dozen later. The worst part is they're far more edible in bulk than other donuts, and that's super dangerous. >> Yeah, they are. >> Um, all right. This free plug has been brought. No. Um,
okay. Storm water task force. Um, I think I forgot to mention at the last report uh that we've withdrawn our uh presentation from the town meeting. uh we decided it wasn't the right time
to try and uh yeah weird. >> It just wasn't the right time. Um we are currently working on kind of working out how much everything is going to cost and try and come up
with some of the reasons that we think a utility is better than uh it being part of the common budget. Um we're working on that. We're hoping to start doing public educations and then see where we line up for fall meeting.
>> Have you received much feedback on calling it a utility versus an enterprise or one or the other? >> Not that not that I've heard of. I just know in places that I've worked that they've done you Call of Duty utility
people get all bent out of shape about buildings and rolling stock and all of that. Oh, we're creating a new department and util like the the just the spectre of utility versus enterprise as a way to fund things that are already being done with materials, people and
equipment that we already have. >> Sure. You utility might just be me uh shorthanding it. I know we use it's a common term. I just it's more of a as you start to roll it out, it's a thing to maybe talk with the consultant or consider as you
>> start to to give it to people in a in a public way. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Montichus Regional Planning Commission. >> Uh haven't met since our last meeting. >> What about the Montichus Joint Transportation Committee? >> Same answer. Both of them will meet at
sometime in early May. Okay, minutes approval. We have minutes for our last meeting. Isn't this amazing having a minute minutes for our previous meeting? >> I think it's more amazing that they're
cogent and readable. >> I know. >> Yeah. >> I move we accept the minutes for 13 April 2026. >> Second. >> Moved and seconded. All in favor? >> I. >> Bangarang. >> Okay. Meeting schedule. Uh our next
meeting is going to be May 11th at well here at town hall. All meetings are at town hall unless otherwise we make a deal about it. We do not have a second meeting in May because that will be uh Memorial Day. So we have May 11th and
then this board does not convene again until June 8th unless something comes up that makes us have to have an offcycle meeting. That is not the current intent. Um, >> do we have a second meeting in June? I don't see it. >> We do have two meetings in June. Okay.
So, it's not listed on the agenda. >> June 22nd. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. >> So, up. >> I do remain a question for the 11th. >> Okay. All right. >> Um, just just know that uh it's going to be a heavy agenda for May 11th. Besides
what we've continued on from tonight's meeting, we're going to have the first phase of Pariner Road before us, uh, the 25 lot ANR that where they've broken into phases. So, yeah.
>> Okay. In front of us for a lot >> for storm water in common driveway. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. And yes. >> All right. Great. Okay. Do we have any comment from the board?
>> Nope. >> Seeing none, >> I move we adjourn. Second. >> I was going to say I would look for a motion to adjourn. It's >> already there, but it's already there. >> All in favor? >> I I >> Friends, uh, thank you for joining us.
It is 7:33 p.m. cuz apparently people say that when it adjourns. Lunenburgg, have a great evening. We'll see you at town meeting.