e e all right um good evening everyone and Welcome to our February 24th 2025 meeting of the
lunenberg planning board we are meeting here at the beautiful upstairs meeting room at Town Hall if you are are watching us online today tonight on Facebook or watching us uh on pack you can
always um well come on down if you want to participate or you can log into Zoom or uh with your phone or with your computer the zoom Linkin number and everything are on the agenda posted on
the town website this meeting is being recorded and that's all we need there great we are running we did we are starting uh 5 minutes late due to a couple logistical issues that had to get ironed out but now it's time to rock and
roll okay uh before we start the rest of the meeting was someone like to lead us in the pledge I pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to for which it stands a nation under God
indivisible with liy and justice for all okay first as always uh do we have any public comment seeing none and for those who might be logging into Zoom
um because we don't have anyone there at this time but if you do log into Zoom go ahead and use that hand raise feature great um Mr Riley our land use director will not be joining us this evening so
um there is no director's report and we will move on he is a bit under the weather diving right in with we have an anr uh an approval not required 4 589 flath Hill
Road is there let's see if there's anyone in the yeah I don't believe the applicant's coming in for um this one it's pretty straightforward yeah I don't that's not strictly required so okay
um we have access to those plans and everything right there on the SharePoint [Music] Logan you don't happen to um know enough about this to give us a ballpark description do you and if you
don't that's fine um let me see not at the top of my head but I think I did have some notes we do have uh Mr Riley's staff report yeah we do have yeah that he email actual emailed one um oh never mind this plan is properly prepared and
I recommend endorsement that's the entirety of his report on it okay which is fine normally but um I just want to give a look see you make sure we know what we are looking [Music]
at okay this so they're cutting off a new lot to the on the East well I'm guessing no it's not really North is up and to the left so on plan left
they're adding a cutting off a new lot it looks like I see um plenty of Frontage well beyond what we require anywhere okay do we have any thoughts or
questions on the plan or I see diligent eyes moving so I can give us time as well not an issue [Applause] and topographic looks can't see how that would create any issues
[Applause] are people ready to discuss or do we want more time uh I'm curious as to so 579 and 589 are currently one parcel is that what I'm seeing here that is my reading of it um because they're calling
out 579 as new lot area and the other detailed parcel would be 5.89 but they're also showing the easement that small strip that connects it 20.63% a
okay so they're taking looks like they're taking parcel a off of 589 579 ah and giv it to 589 okay yeah I I see that I get that all right lot lines
lot lines to be extinguished okay yep yeah no I see what we're talking okay it's a little more complex than just not cutting off a new parcel but that's fine I see I mean overall we're looking at two Parcels that
meet Frontage requirements for the area and uh meet our zonian guidelines they have gone to the Board of Health and gotten their report great is there any further discussion um is there oh go ahead so
I'm going to mention that our bylaw says that anything under 20 ft in width does not count towards lot area and but this is 2063 and I'm assuming it's continuous there's no proof of that um but it does appear that the back
lot is in excess of 2 Acres which I think is this outlying does it say I don't see not sure uh where do you see an area with only 20 ft of width at the flat hill for
the back lot I mean Matt can I come over and just look at your screen you can point sure no it's taking me forever to get it to get it up oh okay I also have the paper plans here if you want banger doing it old school we
[Applause] go either one just pass one down to end so this whole lot here this is its Frontage 20.63% oh existing easement doesn't say existing but it's already recorded in book and page so it's existing got it
that doesn't make any sense to me I mean if if if this is the only change going on and this is existing I don't know what to do about that but that's not adequate prage oh I see I was misreading yep no you're right but it doesn't
appear that that's a new lot line so this is not an 81x right the no obviously it's an mhm um so that's what I noticed at first yeah right so but there's no indication that that's changing
so the indicated change is parcel a away taking it away from 579 it' be really helpful if there was somebody here to explain something it would be um but again it's it's we don't have
the authority to deny an anr and within 21 days it's would submitted on the 10th I believe yeah so on on on the technically it should already be approved no 31 so submitted on the 10th
then yeah we won't have another meeting in time so if if if it is the case that parcel a is the only change coming away from 579 flath Hill then I don't see any issues because it's already an existing lot with a 20.63% [Applause]
[Music] um so with uh the land use director's recommendation I would saying that it meets the requirements even if we don't fully understand it I would be very
hesitant um I'm going accept whatever there's a motion a second for but not endorsing the anr we could do nothing we could endorse
clining to endorse doesn't um I don't know that we could that that is a wise move with the land use director saying no guys it's cool I agree so great we could either let time
pass and have it happen or we can endorse um the motion could be to endorse the anr for getting the address again is listed to endorse the anr for 589 flat hill
road if that's the motion someone wanted to make so moved second moved in second all right all in fa uh any further
discussion all in favor I I I did anyone not nope okay cool great all right endorsed
wonderful thank you got the myar here uh anyone have a Sharpie in their little Roars underneath I know but we can sign later in the meeting cuz there's people here for business and they're not going to take it with them tonight right all
[Applause] right um we have two zoning workshops up next on the agenda those were originally placed earlier on the agenda last week because we had a guest coming in we don't have a guest speaking this week
and in addition we do not have our land use director here to workshop with so I'm going to at least put those off to later in the meeting and um if we decide we I don't know how much we could talk about anyway and then we'll just pass
them on public hearings first for 494 electric AV site plan approval and storm water management permit this is a continuation from uh past several
meetings good evening for the record Bill Hanigan do you have the what don't think [Music] so so I'm subbing for Chris today he had a a family emergency he had to deal with
um so um I'm I'm coming here with some information that I believe has been reviewed uh my understanding is that the last meeting that uh the majority of the plan items were addressed relative to uh
the peer review the um storm water management um the engineering comments have been um addressed with with respect to um the plan set and my understanding was the planning board members wanted to do a site review to take a look at the
intersection of Pierce AV and electric um um and I my understanding on that is also that that went relatively well and that I believe that the the board is in at least has an understanding of what we're trying to accomplish with what's
on the plans right now um so the I believe that the discussion was centered around um the crosswalk and the stopline and and those items um at that intersection along with how is the traffic flow going to work
so what I'd like to do is see if there are any additional questions or if th those issues have been addressed then we can we can move on to the whatever we have and go from there um we do have that in addition um
second it is I know Town Council was waiting on the I don't I don't know the legal technical terms here but the
uh uh the applicants lawyer provided um the report saying that the status status of Pi have yeah status of Pi have and uh my understanding was Town Council has requested the backing documentation for
that which I believe was provided please so probably a week and a half ago you got to go to the mic I always do that but a week and a half ago attorney for the applicant about a week and a half ago we put together an entire package I had the title abstractor who
was also an attorney review complete package his abstract his notes all the indexes in a package went to your planner okay and I my understanding is the planner then delivered that to your Town Council yes okay great wonderful
okay um um it's the first time he's got a complete package we had an opinion letter from attorney GRE from the first hearing that outlines his research and his conclusions okay so Town Council just wanted the back of information which we
have provided yeah and Town Council um so Town Council has information he's going to look at it and um give us some figure for what it will
take to do the actual Deep dive review um and I don't again I don't have the better terms for that cuz I'm almost like a peer review but with the with the legal yeah yeah um and we he was going to have that number Chris may or may not
have what that number is but he's not here tonight to give it to us so otherwise I would be happy to pass it on and do that figuring um so we are waiting on that uh that's just limbo as far as this board tonight so
we um um yeah but we did co go last week we had a meeting on site and took a look at the site and um discussion on yeah the big concern was crosswalk location and
everything we have Engineers saying if and I I feel like I'm getting a look maybe not but if that's an incorrect assessment say that um please we have Engineers saying this is an appropriate location I got
the feeling there were board members who I know previously felt it was not I don't know current feelings one way or another and I think that's where we are so I will turn to the board and say what are our thoughts yeah one of my concerns was
based upon the the location of the current crosswalk which I suspect no one in the history of the planet is actually used so the one proposed here is certainly better than where the the the current one is so over overall I think
you know with with the benefit of the the site visit I do feel as though this is a good plan um I think it could be a lot better with the previous points that I had made but I I do respect their their
professional you know and it's I think it's good good a good plan okay yeah I'm I'm going to repeat myself again I don't believe that this is ready to come to planning board uh the ownership of the road that I believe
needs to be squared away and figured out and not only that if it is not Lunen BG's road then we need an understanding of what they intend to do with the road and the Pres the residents that are on that road and if it's not a road then
technically they could close that off uh so I mean correct me if I'm wrong but it's not going to be just a well a lawyer talking to a lawyer and saying n it's okay you guys can have the road we don't want it all right so let me let me dive into that a little bit before I know the attorney wants to dive into it
as well but there's um the status of the road is I believe what is what the question is okay what we're asserting is that the status of the road is that it's a public way okay so lunenberg AC accepted that portion of of uh Pierce
have there are two steps to that one is the acceptance of the way and the second part of it is the conveyance of the fee within the road the first part happened the second part did not it's not that uncommon but well it is actually very
uncommon um and usually what ends up happening is that it then it would become a paper Street okay would be if if the for example if you had a road that was laid out and the town did not accept it that but it was still a road then that would be a paper Street where
um the the the um the right to pass and repass over it would would be basically limited to the people that live on that road or the surrounding area in this case the town actually took it as a public way okay accepted as a public way they never got the fee though that that
piece of it never happened uh we in and it's it happened so infrequently that um the last time that this happened on a product that I was involved with was Research Drive in Lemer and what happened on that one was the subdivision
was approved and the the road was built with State funds and part of it had to be that we had to get the acceptance of the roadway done the city accepted the way as a public way but did not accept the fee in the in the street they
accepted an easement on it because of the fact there was concern about contamin contamination in the area and the city didn't want to own the contamination different set of circumstances but essentially the same type of a of a of a situation so it it is it is out there um I think having the
attorneys review it to to to to make the board more comfortable about what the status of it is is fine us being here um to to uh get a site plan approval for a parking lot and storm water management permit I think is is not uh ahead of
what we're trying to do we're trying to do both we're trying to basically bring this to the town's um um attention Okay which is why when we first filed this we we specifically said that the fee in the road is owned by the applicant that's
our position we had information relative to that our our attorney did title work on that provided that information to us to be able to move forward so that's why we move forward we expected a review of this of this topic but we did not expect it to be delayed as long as it has been
delayed so I I think that the the application is has been submitted um um in in uh an appropriate manner um it just that the the the attorney review has just taken longer than we expected so now we understand that the attorney review is now in process we're going to
end up getting a quote from the attorney about what it's going to cost him to do his review that's going to end up having to be paid by the applicant and then from there I believe it's going to be paid by the applicant or is that is that different than peer review that would be uh that is the that
is the the typical mechanism the typical process and is the is my understanding of what the process would be so then so then from there once that review is done what we want to do as the engineer we want to make sure that everything on the site plan is
acceptable okay so that's what we're trying to get pending that review is everything else acceptable and we believe that from the conversations that I've been involved with that everything else is well I I guess the reason I brought it up again was because uh our planner and our building inspector and
our zoning officer said that if that is a public way this is not a valid application to planning board because we don't allow parking on across the street from a business also the the quandry the question was raised about you're
proposing 6,000 fet total I think but anything over 5,000 square F feet plus four different uses needs to be a shopping center application I don't think we've gotten a shopping center application nor do I believe we've gotten a description on the uses
proposed in this new building determinated yet yeah I I think that that's something that we've we've done um the information that's on the plan is speaks for itself there's three uses there that we're proposing okay three three slots they're all
anticipated being retail I believe you just said that it's four or more requires 5,000 plus and four or more so could be larger with only three right but we have three so we're not we don't hit that threshold if so we have 6,000
sare ft is that what you said that's my understanding all right so so if if for example we we go forward and we build the building and someone decides they want to go in and split it up more they have to come back to the planning board and get an additional permit and we acknowledge that okay okay so but
there's still no application to increase the size the capacity for the the restaurant either which which I can't imagine is not going to be done when he's got more than he's not he's not I don't believe he's proposing to increase the size of the restaurant right no there's no increase this is more based the parking lot is more based upon a
need than a permit requirement relative to the number of seats within the building they've already increased the building they've got a brick and mortar there where they had a t and that was all approved by this board it was right so I don't understand why there's an why there's an objection to us adding a parking in an area that we could use
some additional parking if this board already approved an application not objecting I'm asking why the pro there's a reason you want 80 more spots the reason we want 80 more spots is because we need parking for events
okay so therefore if we do need to go back and increase the number of receipts within the restaurant that would require us to come back to this board for that permit and any licensing board that may be appropriate okay okay this is gone it's very it's very public knowledge about how many seats we have it's very
public knowledge about how many parking spaces we're requesting it's very public knowledge that we're showing three spaces and 6,000 ft anything that we are not permitted to do by the bylaw we are not permitted to do without coming back in front of this board or one of the other boards within the town of
lunenberg okay that's fine and okay yeah um so I guess again it's not going to be just decided between the two lawyers the status of the road is is the lawyer discussion everything else in the plan is this planning board discussion exactly so if that road is is not
resolved in your favor then this is not a valid application if that road is not resolved in our favor then then we've we've gone through the process and and that's that's that's our choice not just you but it's also the abuts it's also this board it's also obviously we have a
high degree of confidence in in us in our attorneys being correct that that's wonderful but I I certainly am not willing to give you an approval on something that we don't we're not asking you for an approval tonight we were asking you whether we feel that the site plan aspects of the project are appropriate at this point in time pending the legal review that's what
we're asking so yeah again to summarize we anticipate this being continued by the way yeah okay we're not asking for an approval tonight my my recommendation is going to be that we with we ask you to withdraw without prejudice and when you
get this squared away come back to us we're not going to do that um and again for filling in details for those who might be turning in now and not over the past months
um there's odd background about piev and what the town did or didn't do and what that means for the road this intersects with our parking bylaw um when we redid the parking bylaw because we had some big parking problems
previously in town uh we made it pretty pretty lock tight in retrospect I wonder if we did an overly good job because um if the we don't have the ability to
wave I did confirm that with Town Council we cannot uh I say wave I know there's other technical terms but we don't have the ability to say this still improves parking enough even if it's not on site that isn't
allowed within our bylaw um so it's correct we cannot approve this until we have that answer but um it sounds like the applicant is looking
for an unofficial hey do you have more questions or concerns I mean not unofficial but yeah well no it's it's a do do you need anything else more from me as the engineer um on the project at this point in time that's that's what all I'm asking for so and if that's if
if because then we can sit back and we can we can continue to the next meeting if the attorneys aren't done then we can just continue but I want to make sure that if we have anything else that you're waiting for from handing in engineering um that we're able to provide that to you um along the way love it all right
so not worried about the status of the road right now let's assume everything goes as the applicant expects um and this is and it meets our
bylaws do we have other concerns uh on the site plan level or on storm water that H uh have not yet been addressed please I know this has been addressed but I just want to bring it
bring it up again um the site visit I think went well the the sidewalk The Crossing area I understand that I'm not an engineer so I it was explained why it being closer to the road Mak makes more sense why being in that location makes
more sense I am still struggling and this might be a failure on us because we didn't have anybody from DPW there or anybody from you know Police Department or fire or anybody come um my issue is still the entrance of the parking lot
being on Pierce Avenue to me I cannot wrap my head around having all of the traffic coming in off of Electric Avenue on to pierce Avenue entering the parking lot as being a safer place for people to cross rather
than having it cut in directly from Electric Avenue I know it was brought up that there's been a lot of accidents we brought up CVS as an example the engineer said CVS has had a lot of accidents with the cut in with the with the solo right turn lane that goes into
there but there's been no examples of accidents there there's never been an accident there caused by that so I I don't for me I did you have a question no I I'm I'm trying to figure out who who said there were accidents at CVS or not your engineer said that it was
dangerous I believe he said that too I said I know I talked to Chris Riley about adding a a um a uh it's Tech it's it's termed a deceleration Lane yes okay I had concerns about adding it at this
location because I I thought it would make it more dangerous at this location I I don't know about anything that we spoke about at CBS well from I don't know who he he said CV I don't know where CVS came from but it was the same kind of I know he's he was asking about
putting something like CVS had at this location right which we've talked about before and to me I know I'm not an engineer you might say that's completely wrong but to me that seems safer because then the only uh traffic that pedestrians have to deal with when they
are crossing that Crossing area is those coming in or off of Pierce Avenue and to me that seems a little bit less likely to have some kind of a pedestrian accident there when the only people going down that road are the people interested in going on Pierce Avenue
when everybody can just go into the parking lot off of Electric Avenue to me that seems safer for pedestrians and that's I know we've been over that I might be wrong you might tell me I'm wrong I wish we had an opinion from DPW or from the police department or from
somebody who knows more than me well your your peer reviewer could provide you an opinion on that as well Graves engineering they they could yeah I don't remember anything in there from graves about that but maybe he didn't call out any he did
not call out anything anything specific okay just just so I still have the mic um the the area you're speaking about is is right here okay and so this distance beyond the the crosswalk provides more
than enough distance for a vehicle to park I'm not Park just to St to stop and perfect world right well that's why it's that's why it's been set that way right okay so so this this location okay anyone coming up
Pierce um they're going to have plenty of um sight distance to be able to see them anyone coming out of the driveway would also have sight distance to see them okay for someone coming starting at this location and moving across okay cars coming from the North heading in
and turning in there's adequate distance for them to not only see the person from the sight distance to The Pedestrian from back in here to be able to see as long as we don't put too high of of uh Landscaping in that area they would be
able to see them as well okay so adding a a a lane next to the Lane what that does okay okay is it it it prevents the the natural um slowing of
traffic when you're behind a vehicle that has to turn into a street the vehicle behind it is what I'm concerned about if you give that person if you give the person behind the vehicle turning on to piav more room any
driver coming out of piav is going to look at this driver coming up with his his directional on hopefully turning into Pierce have when he pulls into the breakdown Lane his presumption could be I'm I'm good to go and he's going to
pull out and this guy's going to go rushing by and broadside him that's why I'm concerned about the intersection not and and I'm I'm not fully on board with putting in a a a deceleration Lane in there but for for me the deceleration
lead wouldn't be there it would be past Pier Avenue so M Reed you're thinking about if the you you were suggesting double with the curb cut and entry for the parking lot being on um on
electric on electric correct and deceleration Lane to get into I in at this at this at this level of traffic I wouldn't put a deceleration Lane anywhere along the section of Route 13 I wouldn't do it it doesn't because of the fact that when you talk about deceleration what you're talking about
is high speed traffic you're talking about 50 mph plus traffic now I I've driven on this road so I know that they the people drive on that road fast okay but a deceleration Lane typically has to be a lot longer than than what they what they have at CVS that's more or less
like an early turnoff than anything okay and I think adding the either of those components to any entrance along even down here adding it to any entrance along uh Route 13 what it does is it makes it so that the person behind the person turning can speed past faster
okay which I think can be a more dangerous vehicular situation than than leaving it the way it is we all have to slow down for the person in front of us to take a right-hand turn okay that's kind of the the concept The Pedestrian
aspect of it is where do we put the crosswalk there's really only two places to put it you can put it here or you can put it here I don't think it matters to us where we put the crosswalk okay so if the crosswalk in being more visible is
at this location Chris gave me some sketches um that he put together in case this matter came up Chris Riley Chris no Chris [Applause]
Anderson than mhm much appreciated thank you and Rogan you're going to need a copy of this um I say I was say I was going to say could you also send it electronically just to make it easier for to get this in the public
than so when when Chris and I were reviewing this today he he was asking he was telling me about this and I said well what are what do we have for an option you know do we have we provided them with an option yet and and he said well we've talked about it I said but given them an actual drawing to show how
it could be redone differently this would be a typical um crosswalk that you would have at an enter intersection um stop line behind the crosswalk um provides more room behind it where you're not going to have pedestrians Crossing but the pedestrians
would then come out to the street go across go along the front um of of the road um on the on the E on the north side of the parking lot and then there'll be another internal crosswater um on Mike's property on Le Forno's property to get to the front door MH
this is this is viable and if if the board feels more comfortable with this layout I don't think we have any problem with it okay um because and and truthfully you know part of it is part of the thought process
putting the crosswalk where where we have it originally on on this plan is that if we have them go out to the street they're probably not going to use it they're going to come out of the parking lot and just walk straight across to the restaurant okay so that part giving them
a designated area to walk across the street was the premise of putting it in that location but if the board feels more comfortable because this this actually provides a better crosswalk for the town in general if the town then puts sidewalks up and down the road then
that crosswalk is already established okay so it it really it's really up to the board as far as what they what they would rather see we're comfortable with either one I suppose in defensive the original
like when we went out to the sidewalk the sidewalk uh the current side or crossw walk was completely blocked over by snow like it was it was buried there so there wouldn't have been any way to access it um anyway like there's a crosswalk there but nobody could get to
it um is that more is that more towards the intersection um yes the one that's currently there is more like that like this yes okay and um and I I was having the same thought that was mentioned
which is um I look at this and go well that's where I expect your crosswalk to be Etc but I I also know that people don't like using they won't let me phrase shortest distance yeah people will not
use crosswalks on a unless it is exactly where they're already going or necessary I'm from Chicago we don't use crosswalk period we just walk wherever we want I'll tell you what bringing two kids to the city all of a sudden I I
suddenly become a crosswalk feiend but I never was before and I probably won't be once they're older I'll be real um they're going to cross from the parking lot as well they're likely to not get onto the um provided
sidewalk or sidewalk equivalent walking area there and will instead probably I think there's a good chance we'll walk in the exit to get across um in the parking lot exit and that would just further create pedestrian hazards I like seeing it it lays it out
for me and I look at it and go oh they're not going to walk that way um and that's the intent of providing it yeah other questions concerns I would just Echo the comments
um that Amanda had made you know it wasn't necessarily focused on just the the crosswalk in and of itself it was just the impact of the traffic coming into piers and then into the parking lot if as mentioned at previous uh meeting as well we just or I just feel as I
agree that if the traffic were to come in into the uh the parking lot directly from Electric AV Say closer to where the on your plan where it says remove existing driveway entrance provide bit burm yes so there's an actually an
existing okay but the further further towards lemonster yeah so just generally that area if if if the vehicles were entering in there even without a deceleration I I get your point there it's very um to to point if you if all the traffic was coming in and out of
that parking lot and whether those two parking lots were conjoined or not but even if it was just isolated if the vehicles were in and out of that area that there actually is an opening there with like a chain across it if the vehicles were coming in and in and out of there and the pedestrians were
channeled through the parking lot up to that Park up to the sidewalk and then crossed and as she had mentioned then they would just be looking out for the the residents if you will or a limited amount of traffic coming in and out of Piers uh so
so you're saying close that that correct Pierce one off correct so so that would also the number one concern would be that it would eliminate the or not eliminate but uh diminish the chance for vehicles to you know interact with the pedestrians but it would also address
the concerns from the neighborhood that they didn't want excessive traffic coming through through their neighborhood so that it would address two things and the primary the primary one would be pedestrian safety but you know having said that there was obviously some hesitation to to make
those changes cuz they they were not and I respect the fact that you know your profession that it's that's getting back to my point tonight it's good it could be a lot better but it's good it's his property it's his customers I'm I'm comforted by the fact that he's not
trying to get his customers run run over by you know cars he needs them but overall it's a much better plan aesthetically it looks really nice um it probably is safer than the you know as it is right now so I think it's a good
plan I think there's a lot of room for improvement but like I said we we need to be um respectful of our businesses and encourage their growth and in their success and you know at this point right now like I said I just read it's it's a
good plan I'm I'm a little disappointed that it's it's not better but I'm not the engineer so it's good but you are the board correct um as a counter to that I'm thinking of my
behavior when I go places and I think I prefer the entrance on pif and and the reason being I am never going to pull into the lot on the opposite side of Pier have first I'm
going to go to the restaurant I'm going to go oh shoot there's the restaurant I'm going to turn in at the building I'm going to go in there go see there's no not a lot of parking and then I'm going to go to the further
lot we can have those people either continuing on through the lot Crossing Pier have there or so we either have exiting electric entering Pierce exiting Pierce in more or less a straight
line or we have entering electric exiting onto electric rep Pierce entering Electric exiting electric again and that's a lot more potential points of conflict for cars to
smash into each other is kind of um because people are going to want to park close right that's so I think I prefer the entrance on Pierce for that as well as fewer points of entry on the more
busy road but I'm also not I'm also not an engineer it turns out all right but well what I try to do um and you guys we've done a lot of work together over the years I I try
to listen to what the board is asking for and try to get a sense of what everyone's comfortable with there's there's a thousand ways to do a plan this is one of them maybe maybe this is a combination of three or four of them
into into this version of this plan here chairs point is I think where we're leaning is that if you're driving north to to lunenberg and you're going to go to Il Forno you're going to take a left either into piav and turn into the to
the to the uh parking lot and or you're going to go a little bit further and turn left directly into the parking lot in front of the building because that's the focus is going to be there and you know it it may be that there's sufficient parking around the building for lunch but probably not for dinner so
what will happen is people will come in they'll then go out if there's no access to pierce for for the for the southern parking lot or from the from Pierce to the southern parking lot they'll have to go back out onto um Electric Avenue turn right and then turn right back into the parking lot again so that that's a
another couple of movements that may not be desirable okay um I think what will happen over time is most people that go to the restaurants locally are local people okay and what they'll do is they'll know that if
you're if you go in there at 7:00 don't even try to go to the front lot just pull into Pier sa and go into the go into the um to the parking lot there okay um so so that I think that'll be how the traffic ultimately starts working on this lunchtime people are
going to probably go to go to the first lot first but then they'll have the opportunity to go to the second lot so there's a lot of different ways of of of looking at how the traffic will flow especially when you have m multiple entrances at multiple locations and that's one of the reasons quite frankly why we try to um separate and eliminate
any um access points on Electric Avenue except for the new the new building so that way there wouldn't be any you wouldn't have someone going into the parking lot thinking that they were going to be able to get to the new building then have to come back out and come around or you know if they go to the new building they know they're not
going to get to that other parking lot so there there is some thought behind it but you know we do we do a lot of work with different boards and they have you know everyone has thoughts that might things might work better a different way so I think it's healthy to talk about these things I'm not saying that just because we're Engineers doesn't mean we
always have the absolute 100% correct answer and I don't I don't think that that's fair to the board because the board does have to a decision-making power on this thing what we're trying to do is we're trying to make sure that we're we're addressing all the issues along the way okay
so I know that that matter is still kind of out there with some people so I I I I think I I we may need some direction on that about you know when can we when can we put the location of the driveway item
away when is when are we done with that and if and if we're done with that tonight then great if we're not then we I guess we need to do a little bit more talking about it um internally so there's there's there's four or five ways we can do this um what
we're trying to do is we're trying to think through all these processes ahead of time and provide you with the information of why we chose the way we did so I think that's a fair request and also for the board with the understanding that
um it's always good practice to be as upfront and knowled knowledgeable about our future opinions as well as possible by the same token um it ain't over until the uh document is signed right until well
until we have a motion and a vote to finally approve but looking to communicate our thoughts on this so the applicant and his Engineers can
respond are we comfy as proposed are we comfy with the are we comfier with this alternate proposal are we comfier really pushing for a different angle I'm
I am personally the most comfy with as proposed however that is exactly one voice on out of five of us so I Turn to You and say how do we feel is
it good enough to meet your needs is it good enough to meet your needs but you really you want to advocate in the way of another thing are you a fan of this are you not not okay with this where are we I think that's a fair request with
the amount of time that's gone on so we can try to help them narrow in I'll go ahead and be the third person to to say that I'd rather see it off of electric a rather than Pierce I think that you could combine it with one of the two curb cuts the the
Northerly curb cut for the new building quite easily and then and then another reason that I'm thinking that is how large is that part behind you that's cut off from this well that's all residential how large is it it's only going to be three building Lots it's
going to be three building Lots right are there going to be like the whum road building lot no no no three single family homes is what we're I believe that's what we're leading towards right now I I heard discussion and I don't know who I heard it from so I'm just
going to say the gra Vine let's put it that way that we're going to wreck the Empire State Building on that problem that that could be eligible for this new MBT a zoning 15 units per acre everything in lunberg is eligible for that so so you're going to tell us that that's going to be three single family
homes right now well unless I'm going to say no to that because of the fact that I I hadn't even thought about that aspect of it quite frankly but once again through this board whatever approval we would need to do to go through to get that approval from this
board we would have to run through which tied our hands are going to be on that one too right well it's I you're asking me to answer questions about something that's not on the table no I'm I'm I'm asking the board to realize that there's further development down Pierce AV and right and that's going to Simply cause
more traffic and more vehicles and and more daily trips well and that and that's mainly to support your point that you'd rather have it come off electric so that exactly exactly thank you that would only be the case though that is only an option if the board were to decide that
that is an appropriate location that that the an area including that is the appropriate location to do the dense development zoning required by the MBTA communities law we may well not put it
there that's kind of a separate discussion when's the last time we didn't give the nasty end of the stick to whum it makes sense I mean uh I don't think that's an answerable question like what what are we calling the nasty end of a stick what I mean no
I I agree in certain ways wh whum is one of the areas we've looked at and said it could make more sense there we've also talked about the possibility of being able to bring in TR toown in that area
to account for a large portion of the development that needs to happen so I don't think we have I mean I don't think we any of us really have an answer of where MBT of where the MBTA communities zoning change is decidedly going to go
yet we haven't had that talk I I think I think from I mean he he bring he brings up a good point are we going to develop it with more than three family houses well I mean if that if that is is zoning possible and economically viable then then I think that we would have we would
have to take a look at it why wouldn't we that being said I think that the entrance on Pierce could be conditioned that if the development out back generates more than x amount of traffic trips or is is more than three units that you move the entrance over to
Electric Avenue that could be part of the future permit I think that provides a safety net for the board that's interesting to me anyway so it s it sounds like we
have um three board members Mr MCL I I think you're in that who well what going back going back preference what's that it's a preference right and go and going back to my original state you know I tried to keep
it simple initially was that it's good and you know I I I wouldn't you know good you know not to be over overly complex but good is good um and it may not be exactly you know what I what I was expecting and
tonight's discussion was good the the the points brought up by the chair you know as well as Mr Hanigan and it's and again just deferring back to the property owner I know that's a little bit of a a stretch with a pending legal advice but
it's his property it's his business and this is how he deems it to be best for him um and you know the point of someone their initial Focus being the the um the main parking lot with the parking lot directly directly in front of the
restaurant you know people pulling in there as the their their target is a is a good point [Applause] um but it will be war and then I would be more inclined you know back to your point of it's not over till it's over
I'd be more inclined to support this plan despite my disappointment that you know I personally think it could be the points mentioned could be better but I defer to the property owner and the engineers having heard those those
concerns you know uh considered them and present this plan which I think is good so I think what you're hearing is aboard with some complex feelings and I I I I wish I could just distill it down
to of course this is the solution that will be best going forward um if you can read that bully for you because I don't know the best solution for meeting the board's needs in this case because
there's some differing opinions um see what the vice chair said since he's the only one who hasn't spoken about it um Matt's point of going from Electric AV to the main lot to pierce back to Electric AV and then into the parking lot made a lot of sense to me in
terms of uh the the addition of um conflict points so keeping the entrance where it's currently designed uh does make sense to me so I'll take that as we're going to leave things alone for now
and we're going to wait to hear back from Le once we have that process done so we'd request a continu to the next the next um planning board meeting and if we have to then continue because legal's not ready unless Jeff has something who wants to add now I'm I am
before we oh good go no so I just want to make I do want to make sure we get public comment in as well so before we're not going to if you want to speak first I'm fine with that cuz I just want to make sure that we do get to the public we're not going to continue without public comment that's all okay just my my only request tonight would be
um and I think there was an email exchange about this um Mr Muhammad is desirous of constructing this canopy between the two buildings MH the Project's been delayed he was hoping to get it installed before the weather hit and we're kind of in the throws of it and the purpose of the canopy is to
provide a shield between the two buildings mhm so I just going to ask the board tonight I mean the reason it's on this plan is because um we went to the building inspector asked for a permit and he said yep and it's
really it's really not a big deal I'm not going to try to mince it any other way but sorry it's really not a big deal I'm not going to any way but but because it's not shown on the site plan from the prior approval he won't issue us a permit to in to install it and it's going to help tremendously in relation
to protecting his staff and his clientele in between the two buildings and to me you know this board could probably vote on that tonight and we'd be able to get a permit we can I don't believe we can vote
on a component of this plan separately uh what I would Rec um what I would recommend is I think that the addition of the canopy um could be tacked up I know
exactly enough to be dangerous here so I would confirm whatever I say with Mr Riley but I think that if you were looking for to get the canopy up which I understand completely um one way to do that would
be to take the project that's related to that canopy the effectively the last one from a few years ago and Tack it on as a dominous change after the fact um I mean we just did a DI Minimus change for
something that was like 30 years old so being a few years old isn't a big deal and um I don't know all the requirements for what makes something di Minimus I'll get with a planner yeah but I think talk to Mr Riley about that that should be I
think that can be brought on as a Dom Minimus change to the old one and then the board votes on if we find it to be a dominous change and if it is that is something that could be squared up at our next meeting so long as things are
taken care of whenever that paperwork has to happen that's all I have I'll take it up with a planner I'll I'll get an email tonight okay great thank you back to you okay um this is a public hearing I do want to make sure that people have the option to speak so if oh
we have a hand up we have Mr McDonald yeah good evening how you guys doing you guys hear me okay yep Dave we can hear you hey hey a couple things real quick I'm sorry I couldn't make it tonight one thing I want to mention or a couple things I want to mention is as we
go on you can see the economy is not really good uh when it comes to businesses especially small businesses uh just so you know Outbacks just quit overnight they just shut down and again I'm I'm an advocate for bringing business into town either restaurants
stores U Mar pot type businesses and I think what you guys are doing is good you want to do it the right way and Mr chair I'm not a planning board member so let me know if I'm on the line but there's always a solution to something to get things going and I know elf Hornos has
gone through some uh building issues I I think again what it's we have to do as a town is start looking at how we can help them not keep the lane things not having a bu building inspector come down and not try to help the tenant and get him approved if you look at the parking
situation and again I I understand what you're saying uh guys but I don't know what Mike wants and I what I missed the beginning that did Mike mention what he wants what entrance he wants who's Mike the owner of he was asking if Mr Muhammad said what he
wanted for an entrance yes I I admit I tend to assume the applicant wants what they've asked for in the application I mean I would like to what the the owner would like and the other thing is Mr chair I know there's some purchase land across the street could you put in an
order of conditions that when that development comes to you you re-evaluate this and if it's has to be corrected it can be corrected at that time but I think the guy should be uh I think this business should start to succeed and and start getting behind all this and let them concentrate on serving in the town
of lomberg again my opinion Mr chair great thank you Mr McDonald's uh you guys have you guys have a good night and at least the weather's warm too by the way oh I meant to wish everyone I wanted to be the first person
in government to wish everyone today a very happy you can see the black on your driveway day because Good Golly I missed that the uh White Ice got old um
okay so all right any other public comment Mr PE uh Bob p 11 winter Green Court um Mr chair when when I was on the Planning and Zoning commission we often had applications like this where it's not
clear what the path forward is to get to an approval MH um and I when we were doing that I would often take and do a straw poll where I would take it's it's it's a moment in time you know and I would go down I would go to every single applicant and ask them well where are
you on this on this thing and I wouldn't let them off the hook um so because that gives the applicant an idea of what what's my best way you know what's my best path forward you know uh to get to an approval and I would urge you to do
more of that um and I just want to say that uh tonight to to say that this should have been uh applied for as a shopping Center when it's clearly a restaurant uh that uh we should be worried about
something a residential application that's not part of this uh process um and it's not before us that we should be worried about um uh you know the MBTA law as it applies to this
application and that they should withdraw their application after what how I don't know how many public hearings have you had so far um is the antithesis of working with an existing business to help them succeed thank you
thank you um there is also a retail component as well that we have not been notably discussing because it's more minor but thank you um all right any other public
comment seeing none anything else from the board seeing none um I turn to the applicant and say do you want to continue to our next meeting in the hopes that we will have the I mean hopefully by then we
should have that number from Town Council be able to say vote Yes put those funds into escrow and get that all sorted out would you like to continue to our next meeting or further up when when is the next meeting uh March 10th March
10th which is caucus which we have on the agenda to discuss ah so you may not have a meeting on March 10th we haven't discussed it yet so I don't know that's fair we always have
um what I sounds like we need what's the next meeting after that after 24th um if we could get a a continuous to the 10th yeah we can and then if we the likelihood of the attorneys being done by the 10th is not high but um it might
be something that happens quicker than we think M so let's let's go for the 10th and then from the and then if you have something that has to be postponed anyways then we'll at least be ready for the 24th great think that works uh motion to
continue um uh the public site approval plan for 494 Electric Avenue to March 10th and the storm uh oh sorry and storm water management permit at 6:05 p.m. at 6:05 p.m. I will
second moved and seconded all in favor I I I okay great thank you very much thank [Applause] you uh all right we will move on to site plan
approval for 801 Northfield Road the next three are all brand new I brought water don't worry I'm ready uh the lunenberg planning board will hold a public hearing on February 24th 2025 at 6:05 p.m. Town Hall 17 Main
Street lunenberg Mass to hear and review an application for site plan approval pursuant to 250- 8 .4 of the code of the town of lunenberg by the town of lunenberg Conservation Commission for construction
of a parking area at the raino conservation area the subject property information the location is 801 Northfield Road assessor map 38 parcel number n owner is the town of lunenberg Conservation Commission 960 Mass Avenue
lunenberg Mass 01462 you can view materials online at lunenberg Ma . portal. opengov docomo ma.gov and lonnell at lunenberg ma.gov and also in person at the
planning office at 960 Mass Avenue in lunenberg Mass excellent thank you ladies and gentlemen Greg Roy with Dillon Roy this evening representing the applicant which as you noted is the lunenberg Conservation Commission in this case um so just a little bit of History
here I'll try not to dwell on this but the um the lunenberg Conservation Commission received um a grant for this project to and I'm not sure who that was through but it was a grant nonetheless uh for the construction Improvement in
construction of a uh parking area to access the conservation land um so we're here tonight um to to seek the site plan approval as you as you reference portion of that um uh permitting process I just
wanted to put it in the framework um of the larger picture um actually in this case this is the only permit that we need other than a driveway permit through the DPW which we we we are aware that we need to obtain uh we wanted to go before your board first um but we've
actually um uh been able to design this project complet completely outside of the jurisdiction of the lunenberg Conservation Commission so there's no there's actually no jurisdiction here in the buffer zone to a wetland area um but we're here here tonight the the proposed
project um utilizes an existing um access to the property which is currently being used as a uh access for the logging operation uh just just for context if you take Northfield Road
uh West from Route 13 and you go towards settler Crossing Golf Course if you can all have a visual on that I think some of us are really uh familiar with that section of town um you go down the hill and we're labeling it as Northfield Pond it might be called Kelly's Pond is on
your left and immediately after the pond is the property that we're talking about so um the property actually has uh owns a portion of of the pond and there's a um there's a a chunk of up in land uh just to the west of it so we're
proposing to utilize the existing um it's kind of difficult to see on the plan here as I point but the existing uh access that goes into the property from Northfield Road uh to the South again that's being currently used uh for the logging operation and then we'd be
creating a uh gravel parking surface for large enough for 10 vehicles uh to park to access the conservation land um the uh we're here tonight because your bylaw is fairly liberal
relative to what needs a site plan approval um and it's really any the creation of any amount of parking on a non-residential project I believe so um that's why we're here this evening uh so it's a fairly straightforward forward project we are um we did put in some
storm water management uh we're not within a a jurisdictional area but we're close so uh we have a we've we've sort of pitched everything uh towards a Swale which then goes to a a small uh storm water management Basin
uh but it's fairly um fairly routine here uh a fairly small application as far as you uh normally are used to seeing um I think that's all on this one I wanted to be brief and I'm happy to take
any questions that you folks may have and this is this is not for this doesn't trigger storm water management there it does not storm water built into the it does not we we built some storm water in there because it's a town
project quite frankly and if we were 10 ft closer to the Wetland we'd have to have it anyway because the the the uh um Department of Environmental Protection would not give us an exemption from storm water management so you have it here because uh it's really good
practice from a from a gravel service but it does not it it we are not over 40,000 ft of alteration um and it otherwise would not trigger your your storm water bylaw okay I will turn to the board for
questions comments thoughts then I will also open up for public comment um we've got the plans in front of us qu uh what questions do we have I hope the fee was waved I think the fee was waved yeah
thank you I think the fee was wave we appreciate it it looks good yeah all right I'm going to hearing nothing else on the board for a moment I am going to open up for public comment please uh so what I do need I
just need you to come up and speak at the microphone and start by giving us uh your name and address and then share hi um my name is U Michelle Matthew and I live on 914 Northfields Road in Lunenburg and I was
just curious where exactly that parking is going in um I've had a you know people coming back and forth on the dirt road and I was just wondering if it's going to be cuz the address was 904 and
904 is uh settler crossing looks like settlers Crossing land so I wasn't sure if it was their abing their land or in the front there next to Stage Coach where Northfield Road is if it's going
to be in the front or where it's going to exactly be cuz I didn't have a chance to look up plans do you know where the the abandoned house is on Northfield yeah um way down at the end of stage coach yeah so a little confusion so we
have two applications this evening okay so one is raino which is um not near the Table Rock land which I think which is the one you're speaking of right next to Table Rock we're going to talk about that one in soon the next hearing this one is further um East towards Route 13
and on the opposite side of the street yeah but we are going to talk about stage coach in a few minutes because that's a SE it's a separate hearing so this one is not near that section um but I will answer that I will remember that question and I will answer it when I talk about the next appc we already have
parking across the street yes on that and I'm hoping that's where it'll stay um so that we'll get to that one we talk even mind it so much I'm going to pause this I am going to pause this for a moment because what we're discussing is another public hearing that we haven't opened yet I understand so we'll get
over to the uh I don't have the the 994 Northfield 904 9004 thank you 9004 in a bit um right now we're going to look at the 801 and so we we have to take things in for legal reasons in proper order and
everything any public comment for8 uh the site plan approval for 801 Northfield Road seeing none oh Mr pce uh Bob p 11 winter Green Court um you know presently uh that is
being logged uh we're going to take and or the Conservation Commission the logger is going to take and leave the skid Trail selected skid Trails uh clear uh to create Trails um and um
uh the logger is going to uh clear the area of the parking lot um and uh the public will be able to use that fairly large piece of conservation land that's never had any public access before uh due to this project you know between the
logging and then the creation of this parking lot um there'll uh be uh two fairly substantial Loop Trails uh in there and uh we also hope uh at the far back corner to be able to get a little
access across uh the parcel it was to be the lettuce Farm um so that you'll be able to go directly from this parcel over to um the parks and wreck parcel it's farther up the road on the left hand side as you
go up the road um and so You' be able to take park at this lot go all the way around go through the parks and recck land go up through Table Rock go all the way up and and end up in New Hampshire so uh so if you want to get lost we got you
in style um great love it I I like hiking off Northfield Road but that's me um all right turn to the board do we have any questions uh
thoughts or concerns about the site plan approval I'm hearing nothing so uh nothing from the public otherwise so we could look for um a motion to approve the site plan approval
for 801 Northfield Road with standard conditions we have to close the public hearing first oh you're so picky to follow the law um okay you are correct if there's nothing else uh do we have a motion to
close the public hearing motion to close the public hearing for 801 Northfield Road second moved and seconded all in favor I I I so now we could have a motion such as to approve
the site plan um the site plan approval for 801 Northfield Road with standard conditions uh so moved second moved and seconded any further
discussion all in favor I I Bangarang got that one squared away thank you thank you next up is 994 Northfield Road okay the lunenberg planning board will hold a public hearing on February 24th 2025 at
6:05 p.m. Town Hall 177 Main Street lunenberg Mass to hear and review an application for site plan approval pursuant to 250- 8.4 of the code of the town of lunenberg by the town of lunenberg Conservation Commission for construction
of a 10p space parking area parking area for the Table Rock conservation area subject property information the location is 994 Northfield Road assessors Map 37 parcel number 15 owner
is town of lunenberg Conservation Commission 960 Mass Avenue lunenberg Mass 01462 uh you can view materials online at lunenberg ma. portal. opengov Avenue in lunenberg Mass thank you very much again Greg Roy
for the record Greg Roy Dills and Roy I'm representing the applicant which again is the lunenberg Conservation Commission a little bit more to say on this one um same Spiel as before uh this is another site that the for which the Lumberg Conservation Commission received some
grants uh to improve and create the uh a parking area for access to the property um again we're here tonight because it's a the creation of 10 parking spaces um which requires site
plan approval through your board in this case uh we also have work within jurisdictional areas of the Conservation Commission we and the weather protection act so um it is not a project that could
that is eligible for an exemption to the Massachusetts storm water management policy because it is not a residential project of four or fewer Lots which is essentially the only exemption that the Wetland protection act gives you unless you're doing an emergency road repair
project or something like that so this project um like the other one but but this project requires compliance with um the storm waterer management policy so we have also submitted uh along with our application
to this board but also to the Conservation Commission associated with the notice of intent a storm water management um uh book and if you are having trouble sleeping at night you can pull that out and read a few paragraphs
and that'll put you right to sleep um but I wanted to just go over this um a little bit more uh broadly uh immediately to the West um is the settlers Crossing Golf Course so this property AB buts settlers Crossing um
the you tea off on one towards this property if you will so the uh the green of one is is is sort of you know adjacent to this property a little bit further off the street um and it's immediately adjacent to Stage Coach Road which on the plan is plan right kind of
where our details are with the erosion control barriers it goes in and up uh way up into the uh into the the the property uh to the north there is as the uh as the um one of the previous speakers uh mentioned
there is a parking area in this area of town which is immediately across the street on Northfield Road from where we're proposing the access um it is not however on land owned and controlled by the lunenberg Conservation Commission so
if folks um are uh familiar with this process from a few years ago um these two pieces of property were I guess acqu I'll say acquired uh by the town um through a couple of different mechanisms one of in the long I'm I'm
not going to summarize it but what ended up happening was the land on the Northerly side of of Northfield Road which is the subject of this application um ended up being owned and controlled by the lunenberg Conservation Commission as conservation land the land on the southerly portion was I think purchased
by a grant through the Parks Commission so it is owned and controls by The Parks Commission and I believe Parks has some long-term plans that I'm not really aware of uh on the southerly portion of that property I know they're focused on other portion other parks in
town uh currently but I do believe that they have some other some long-term plans so um the Conservation Commission um is seeking to construct a viable parking space for access to their property which only exists on the norly
side of Northfield Road and we're trying to do this in a manner that sort of solves some of the logistical issues that we have um with Stage Coach Road um I think that the ultimate uh plan here is to create a uh separate
and distinct access point to this land that does not need folks walking up Stage Coach Road to access the property which is the currently the way that that is accessed so this would be the parking area would be um several hundred feet um
west of the of Stage Coach Road and would be you know squarely in in the center of what is owned by the Conservation Commission and then the the plan would be to access construct new trails Bob please nod if I'm or nod nod if I'm saying something incorrectly uh would be the AC would be
to create some new Trail accesses through this portion of the site um that would completely bypass and separate pedestrian vehicular and pedestrian traffic from Stage Coach Road um because there are some residences on that um on
that road and and so it solves some logistical issues um we do have a Penning application before the conservation commission we opened that hearing last week uh they continued that that meeting uh we did receive a few comments from them that will be
addressing um relative mainly to conservation related issues such as some Wetland replication and planting um specifications that we provided and we also got a few comments from the Department of Environmental Protection as part of that process which we'll also be responding to as part of the
Conservation Commission project um so um I don't necessarily think I want to ask you to close this one uh because I I want to make sure that you're approving the same plan that's approved by the Conservation Commission it just makes it easier um but I certainly would like to
hear any comments that your board has or any comments that the uh the audience might have so that we can incorporate everything into a a final set um I do have two questions off the bat one is you have to comply with storm water
correct does this need a storm water management permit or does cuz I don't think this applic I don't think we have that application correct that's correct it does not need a storm waterer management permit through your bylaw because it does not have 40,000 ft of alteration okay but you still need to
comply with got it it's through the uh Wetland protection act yep so I know this gets confusing but there's a lot of different triggers that can happen with storm water management um in this case the trigger is through the wetness protection act it's triggered through that understood just that does that that
changes theing Etc right um my second question and I should have asked this on the last one too and I apologize um Northfield Road is a Scenic Road in town yes so are we uh chopping down any trees
or disturbing any walls that would require that application excellent thank you uh I did mean to bring that up on the last one so retroactively we're not doing any of that on the other one so just sort of go okay uh but on this one we're not doing any of that here
either so we're actually I'm going to go over and point real quick we uh we survey located the uh the portions of stone wall that exist and there are no portions that exist on the portion where we're where we're seeking access which is shown in the crossed red
area area that's the proposed driveway um also the the the place that we um proposed to cross was selected really because of the tree situation so we're trying not to take down any trees we have to take down a few as you get back
into the site and of course there'll be some in the parking area um but all of the green blobs that you see on this plan are all of the existing trees that we survey located and you can see the ones by the road which are on the the the lower portion we're not proposing to
take down any all of the uh the road is all being done in an area where there's no uh where there's no trees um so there are no Scenic Road related issues on either of these two applications
great um okay I will turn to the board and then I will turn for public comment do we have questions regarding this application I'm glad you mentioned the the scenic road cuz I was also thinking the same
thing that we should have asked in the previous one but I saw the trees on the plan that so so uh just just FYI we only need the scenic Road only applies to the RightWay right so there was a there must have been another reason that you survey location yeah for the Conservation Commission has an interest in the trees
within the 50 well within the 30 foot but with really within the 50 Foot no touch of the Wetland yeah good point Y um and I I would I kind of would like to have seen it go off sage code because there already an existing opening but as you say there's no stone walls
um and it's is it I I don't think it's going to be even paved is it no gravel yep yep now that's all I got okay my questions were the same great I am going to turn to the
room for public comment please and although you already have just please go ahead and give your name for the record an address for the record again my name is uh Michelle Matthew and I am from 914 Northfield Road in lunenberg right off of Stage Coach Road
um looking at my property line I am just wondering where exactly this is going in is it going in from Northfield Road on the side or is it going to be going up a little bit because I right now I have problems with people parking at the end
of Stage Coach Road and also parking on my land where I have my own parking lot on Stage Coach Road so if I'm looking at that where my land is and you're going to put a driveway not a driveway sorry a
parking area across from there in in the middle of where my land is then I'm going to have more people parking there so I'm kind of worried about that um so if you look this is this is
um Old Stage Coach Road this is my land but my land also goes a little bit on where you where the cut is over here um on 904 with your permission yes the um this
is the edge of that Wetland area there okay which is we're actually proposing to be like down here by probably close to 200 ft so the parking would kind to be over that so not anywhere near close to that lot line okay so and it would have access off Northfield so the the whole intention I was instruct we don't
want to utilize Stage Coach Road anymore MH for vehicles or pedestrian traffic so really this is trying to resolve that sort of long-standing logistical issue all right so it'll be somewhere around here yeah down the road path to the West
is where we're proposing it and then you guys are going to do a path to go all back that would be great that's right so they' be completely through there without having access St agage Coach Road okay all right great thank you yeah you're welcome love it other public
comment hi Laura Karen gustus I live at 19 Burke Street lunberg I'm one of the property owners of sist Crossing and this is Tanya rebin she's my superintendent and groundskeeper manager and manager so we have some issues some very
yeah some concerns I mean if you want so more familiar with the lay out there with the land but so from what we're looking at this parking looks like it's going to be behind obviously he said our first green in the second tea box
um couple concerns one who we have our own you know our parking lot for customers who you know they know that they're putting their vehicle at risk they're parking at the golf course we've had numerous cars get golf balls in the windshield so who will be responsible if
you know I have someone driving up the first Fairway and they there's tons of balls in those woods um and they overshoot it and we hit you know they hit a car in this parking who's responsible for that you know who's going to protect these cars is there going to be a net put up like they used
to have a net that ran along Northfield Road cuz it used to be like a driving range way back when and we took it down obviously because it's you know it they don't hit over there it's further up um that was one concern a second concern
is how are you going to stop people from parking over there grabbing their clubs and just walking onto the second green which they have done I mean I mean we've had people grab their clubs walk up to the first tea box and I've had to go hey you need to go in and pay like this is
not free golf here um so you know how is that going to be to yeah to prevent the public access you know to our course cuz we can't see it we' had people out there hiking who have come on
to the course not realizing where they are I mean they're non-golfers oh up on the fifth the trails come up in the upper Woods over there because we have an upper upper tea box I don't know if any of you are golfers but it's way up um and it's an artificial turf that type
of thing but we have had people hiking in the woods or uh motorcycle not motor dirt bikes dirt bikes come out to that t that tea box so I mean the public is coming on to the course and you know one of the concerns is somebody could get
seriously injured um for the golf ball yeah with a golf ball and then the other issue which is kind of really concerning is the wetlands we have as it stands now we have in the spring I mean we have
Rivers running through sections of the golf course and particularly on that side there's a large pond down by our fifth well our fourth green and our fifth T box there Pond and there's a pond to the right of the second te box the T box on two Yeah by and that water
runs straight across when it floods it will run straight across the Fairway over to one and down yeah yeah I mean so we have a concern about how it's going to impact the golf course as far as you know the wetlands and that type of thing
I mean there's areas of the golf course that we have to rope off until sometimes June you know into June because it's just so wet you know people take a cut they're going to get stuck so I mean oh you ankle deep in mud I mean it's one and my my only other thing is
you know I have the police on speed dial because we have numerous issues with people just in our parking lot I mean we have a street light I have a big sign posted no loitering um I still have to call the police I've had cars park there
um doing inappropriate things that I have happily knocked on the window but like you got to go go up to Walmart go someplace else but you can't be here um drug deals we've had we've seen drug deals passing go by um I've had a domestic that I had to interrupt last year so it's like in in and we're here
seeing this so I can call the police and have them come so our question is is that going to be a patrolled area is someone going to keep an eye on this because you know and I'm not trying to say anything bad but college students are going to be coming back and we do we
do see an increase in our in property damage when school comes back when the college comes back into and we've had numerous things damaged right yeah so all right I've heard you express uh a good handful of concerns I will want to
turn to the uh would the applicant like to respond to anything there at this time I'm not sure actually you want to respond oh sorry uh Bob Peas I was a conservation
on the Conservation Commission but I'm still doing one heck of a lot of work for the Conservation Commission um and uh when we um first I'm going to address uh the other lady's concerns um when we first
uh talked to Greg about designing this parking lot um we said you know we wanted to take and make a entrance directly off of Northfield Road uh to get away from people going up Old Stage
Coach Road uh because first of all there's two residences on that on that on that old dirt road um and you know some of the residents uh and and you're walking up it part of it's paved there's old utility poles it's not like you're
on conservation land at all it's it's not it's not very aesthetically pleasing and it annoys the resid there you know and so we're trying to make it so that uh people don't go upstage Coach Road to access it and that they don't park on it
we're trying to take and create a separate parking area for people to park and so also so they're not parking across the street you know when we acquired that land I was I I helped uh Brandon when we acquired that land you know through the parks grant for the
South and the land grant for the North and in order to get the grant we had to show that we could furnish two parking spaces and we had no money uh to do that so we put some gravel on the other side we put that sign and supposedly that's our parking space but really it's it's
across the road it's not safe um and so we're trying to establish now proper parking you know so people can access this resource because there's a lot of beautiful land up there um and we want to the keep the lot as close to the road
as possible uh so that that the parking lot is visible from Northfield Road uh be you know because people worry about what happens in a parking lot you know uh that isn't monitored uh but I I would say you know we have a similar parking
lot down on um Holman Street for the lane property and uh we've had very minimal if any problems down here at least that have come through the commission's detention you know through the police department or anyone else
you know with with problems down there at that lot um as far as the golf our the concerns I heard were golf balls uh um uh you know hitting the cars in a lot
um you know I'm not quite sure how I think I think the lot's going to be fairly you got to scale how how far are the cars going to be from the property lines GRE and and where I think about they're about 100 feet and that
that's going to be one heck of a drive to to get all the way over uh through the woods if we're so I apologize if we're going to speak we do need to do it at the microphone so that it's on the recording and so our friends at home can
hear so I I don't mean to cut off just yeah and um and um so that was one concern I heard we we do have little placards we put up at all the property lines uh that say uh lunenberg conservation land uh approximate
boundary you know so people know when they're leaving uh the boundary uh when they're leaving the property and getting on going on to settlers Crossing land you know when settlers Crossing would be you know free to take in you know a poster land but
actually in a different venue I'd love to talk to you about about that and the trails that are on settlers Crossing in the back but um and um you were concerned about people leaving this parking lot in you know
sneaking on to the golf course and and I don't know what I can do tell tell you about that um but it we spent a lot of time and energy to purchase this land for the public use and it's got three points of access right now it's got one
on a Howard Street uh it's got one off of New West Townson Road uh and neither one of those you know are really that the those lands are fairly narrow not good for parking
you're going to be in someone's backyard if we put parking in either of those places and then we have this this is the best place on the property to establish a parking lot we're trying to do it to address you know the concerns of the
people uh on um Old Stage Coach Road um and um and I mean the wetlands are the wet I'm not sure what the concerns are about the wetlands because I mean I'll talk
about that all right goe if I if I may so I said at the onset thank you um Bob uh and thank you for your comments too appreciate it I'm a golfer okay and I'm a bad golfer so uh
you can yeah I certainly can uh and I I I do frequ with the course a lot so I I understand what you're saying um the um the thing with with Wetland protection and storm water uh I think I heard storm water kind of in there in that vein is
that I said at the onset that this project is not exempt from Storm waterer management and that's really why so there's a a real small subset of projects that the Department of Environmental Protection which is again just for everybody in the room is the state of Massachusetts not the town so
that's sort of overarching regulations um Statewide they do not exempt a project like this from storm water management so that we have to comply with 10 standards one of those standards is to make sure there is no more off-site
runoff after you finish your construction than than is the case in the pre-developed case so we have to do an extensive analysis which we've done and again I'm not going to bore you with the details here um we had to do an extensive analysis calculation size the
storm water basins that we're showing on the plan to document compliance with that we also have to treat the water we have to make sure that we take out any fines um what we call Total suspended solids TSS is the abbreviation um and we have to make sure that we're removing those things before
it gets discharged to the wetlands so overall um the Department of Environmental Protection through its storm water management regulations which again are state regulations in this case um uh those regulations exist so that some of those metrics are are
taken are taken into account so um and in fact some of the comments that were raised uh by the Department of Environmental Protection that I referenced as part of the Conservation Commission process that we opened last week did have to do with a few questions they had on our storm water design so
the state does promulgate the regulations and they do act to enforce them uh so I I just I just wanted to make sure that I I said that I I don't know what else I can say other than that um the Conservation Commission um they're a client in this case but
they're also um uh a review a reviewer on on the process and they gave me some comments and questions and things to ask uh things to look at as part of their uh due diligence um in the review process both under their State uh we protection act
but also under the local lunenberg Wetland protection bylaw so uh there is checks and balances that are happening uh relative to wetland protection so and we're not proposing anything that doesn't meet the performance standards and believe me the Conservation Commission uh will not give a permit if
we and the department of enviral protection certainly wouldn't uh wouldn't condone it either um if um we didn't meet those standards that I think that's where I'll leave it great thank you thank you thank you appreciate it
okay thank you thank you I I was curious on oh just you got to speak at the microphone as all hi my name is Michelle Matthew from 914 Northfield Road I was just curious um how you're how they're going to get to
what is it 804 um Northfield Road the one the parking area that's going to be in the back I think that's a separate that's a separate property is it it is a separate property it's the one we were talking about prior yeah um
but how are people going to get to it are they still going to use Stage Coach Road no no okay so that one that that one that we were doing previous is further down towards um uh route route 13 okay and right before you get to the
pond on the opposite side of the street a stage coach that's how that'll be accessed so pry quite a bit a ways I would say it's yeah maybe not quite a half my quarter mile away yeah between the abandoned house and the pond right right
okay all right thank you no thank you appreciate it uh do we have any other public comment on um well on this public hearing for 994 Northfield Road right seeing none board we know
that the applicant is not is going to be looking for a continuance because they want to make sure this is the final setup do we have any other questions thoughts or concerns for the applicant before we work on a continuance did you did you walk the
site quite a bit before yeah so we we did this is all this is all an on the ground survey um of course the wetlands were delineated we survey located all the trees in the woods um wondering if there was a lot of golf balls in like immediate area um I I don't I don't remember seeing it
but I can't yeah I wasn't looking for them either so yeah okay all right Mr PE uh Bob p 11 wi Green Court I just want to mention um I I went up through
that property uh trying to find a place to put a trail that would go directly from this parking lot straight up to Table Rock um and first of all I never saw any golf balls um so I'm not sure how many people actually uh drive a golf
ball you know that far into the woods um and second of all we' started and we've surveyed I I flagged the entire route of the proposed trail and I had a lot of difficulty because the property Line's not straight and there's a couple places
where settlers Crossings uh if you look at the property map where settlers Crossings land come substantially in to what other what you would have thought would have been a rectangle of land you know going up to where settle or Table Rock is but at any rate
the whole thing has been flagged in um most every Wednesday I go out there with one or two neighbors and uh we're working our way up uh from the parking lot uh towards Table Rock you know uh it's a created Trail so the public will be able to go up through the middle of the woods uh through some fairly scenic
areas uh to get to Table Rock and all the other stuff that's up there farther deep in the woods great thank you Mr peace okay I would uh when do you want to continue to um I I think we could do the 10th
because we're going to we we have everything in front of us relative to Conservation Commission we're not waiting on anything so it's just a matter of us getting the the plans revised and they're not significant uh plan R Visions so I think we could be ready to go for the 10th if you are going to have a meeting I know it's just
we have on our agenda later to discuss the 10th so happy to continue to then I just want to make sure again understood I heard you yeah great yep all right so we would be we could have a motion to continue the public hearing for 994
Northfield Road to our March 10th meeting at 6:05 p.m. uh so moved second moved and seconded all in favor I I great thank you thank you so much for
your time um we have one more public hearing it's a public hearing kind of night for 110 Pleasant Street the lunenberg planning board will hold a public hearing on February 24th
2025 at 6:05 p.m. Town Hall 17 Main Street lunberg Mass to hear and review an application for site plan approval pursuant to 25-8 4 of the code of the town of lunenberg by Paradis contractors for construction
of an addition to the existing shop building on the property adding approximately 1,092 Square ft to the garage SL equipment repair space at the rear the subject property information the
location is 110 Pleasant Street accessor map F 95 parcel number 16 lot two the owner is 110 Pleasant Street llc at 110 Pleasant Street in lunberg Mass 01462 you can view materials online at
lunenberg ma. portal. opengov docomo unber Mass all right take it away folks again for the record my name is Greg Roy with Dillon Roy representing the applicant this evening um we have um a site here
that is um as you mentioned located at 110 Pleasant Street um for your reference this is right next to the former location of the Woody if that Rings any bells it's just to the um plan north of of the the the site um it's
currently it's zoned commercial um it's currently used um as a contractor um by a a local contract it has been historically used by a local contractor uh for commercial purposes it was recently purchased by another local
contractor uh Paradis uh contractors and they are seeking primarily use the existing facility as is but they are proposing to build a approximately a 1300t addition to the building which is shown on your plan here in um uh peach
color and that is more than a 25% increase in the building on a commercial lot and that is one of your uh triggers for site plan appr approval so in this case we are not proposing any uh modifications to parking um there's adequate parking which we've documented
um on the site plans um we're just looking to to build um a um an addition to the structure in the back um relative to Pleasant Street in the back of the existing build uh primary building there's an existing storage trailer I'm
not sure if anybody's had a chance to go to the site but or if anybody's familiar with the site but in the back the in the area within the footprint of the new building there's an existing storage trailer that's that's there it's a temporary structure but it it is there and then there's a shed structure that you can see a smaller rectangle if you
have the plan um sort of on the southernly side where the uh where the L uh portion of the um the smaller portion of the addition if you will um both of those structures both the temporary storage container and the uh the shed
would be uh removed from that area um so essentially it's just an expansion the the um the use of that building is really a shop area um garage door bays and so the applicant is proposing to add a uh an additional Bay on the souly I'll
call it the South Westerly side of the building and um that is really it we did um we did issue with all of these applications I guess I just I guess I got a little bit sloppy we did Issue sort of our standard p package here we went through all the
metrics of your uh site plan requirements um this one again um doesn't Tri uh trigger excuse me uh storm water management uh permit because we're not proposing anywhere near 40,000 ft of of alteration um but we did give
you a memo sort of outlining the metrics of um of of storm water metrics if you will the area where the proposed addition is going is either um impervious with a with structures or is really hard pack gravel so there's
really not going to be a significant difference in the uh storm water runoff um after the addition of the roof um we are aware of a comment from the Board of Health uh relative to wanting to do a Title 5 inspection the
applicant doesn't have an objection to that um so that's certainly uh no issue and I think I'll leave it at that there's any questions happy to take them okay I turn to the board and just seeking clarification
um you're not it sounds like you're not looking to wrap this up tonight because you still have to do the title 5 work is that correct I we I mean if you feel like you need to keep it open for that I I think that's kind of a separate track I I don't see how that relates okay we're happy to that's out there I don't
even if you need to condition it okay they're not going to give I think the comment by the Board of Health was that they want to see that prior to a building permit got it all right that's kind of a separate process I just want to acknowledge that it was an application uh a comment as part of the application perfect thank you that
that's that clarifies all right back to the board questions thoughts seeing none yet but quizzical faces I'm going to turn and ask if we have any public comment on this seeing none in the
room um seeing no we have no one in the waiting room correct uh I assume but just us okay all right turn back to the board I'm seeing 110 Pleasant Street and
on our GIS it looks like a vacant lot but I'm seeing 104 Pleasant Street that looks like it's got a similar configuration of buildings can you speak to that yeah when I search one Pleasant Street I get a residence
mhm just having some confusion with the address uh okay uh let's see if I did I give you the deed just off of Google Maps it tells me that that 110 Pleasant Street is somebody's house mhm well I gave you the deed and it was
owned by the deed conveyed in um recently here in uh August of 2024 from Robert Proctor and an Proctor to 110 Pleasant LLC and it's the uh it's uh the
subject property so I'm not sure if there's an issue with GIS or I see I see it now it's in the aerial obviously because it's there the gis just didn't have the footprint of the buildings ah okay not a big deal gotcha um I was actually trying to see how big
that lunberg piece is next to oh yeah so lunberg isn't a butter yeah um it's a huge piece it is yeah but it's not the P so um this is
just so if the building was slightly smaller we wouldn't be here yeah it's just that we triggered the 25% threshold so yep and it's it's just the existing Garage in office space and you're adding that kind
of L L-shaped chunky L shaped Edition that's correct y all right and what is the and that is black top surrounding or yeah there's a black top apron that goes around so the parking spaces that you can see that we numbered are all on
paved area so that that line that's sort of a little bit uh skewed to the building is the edge of where the gravel is as you come in there's a apron of asphalt around the building where the parking is and also in front of the garage door Bays which are on the
northwesterly side of the building all right so yes the answer to your question is yes it's an existing asphalt apron so just adding more building on top of impermeable that's correct all right
[Music] other questions from the board thoughts concerns to me this feels pretty dang straightforward at this point but I don't know if the feelings of others seems pretty straightforward to
me as well yeah all right if we have nothing else uh and no concerns to discuss or bring up while the applicants can answer questions I will uh see if we want to close the public
hearing sure motion to close public hearing for 110 Pleasant Street second moves in second is any discussion on that all right all in favor I I great public hearing is closed time
for deliberation [Music] seems yeah I mean again to me it seems like okay great we could have a motion to approve the site plan approval for 110 Pleasant
Street with standard conditions so moved second moved and seconded further discussion all in favor I I thank you rock and roll thank you sir all right um because Mr P is here I am
going to move us from the decisions we have on the agenda to the mrpc gis contribution for a Conservation Commission because uh we don't have to take take up more of Bob's time some point you can go
home um and this is uh Mr P this is just this is the same thing we do pretty much every year where we don't have a use for the at least to my
knowledge we do not have a use for these work hours and you do well yeah I I spoke with Chris about this um actually last year no one used these GIS hours I didn't get handed over I'm so sorry because uh well that's but that's
because I didn't do any map work last year last year and they were supposed to be devoted to there was a mrpc itself applied for a grant uh to do a Regional um to develop Regional uh bike
um no I'm sorry Regional Trail plans re Regional Trail Trail Visions uh you know for all all the towns and in the participating towns in the region and uh I signed lunenberg up for that and as part of the condition of applying for the grant you had to devote your eight
hours of time you know to the implementing the grant but they didn't get the Grant and that didn't do any map work last year uh but I'm hoping to do map work this year uh the TR maps for um the lane property large Town
Forest the maps for uh uh Table Rock uh and the maps for um Small Town Forest in hunting Hill all need to be updated um and um it'd be great if we can get it done
for free rather than the Conservation Commission having to pay uh I think it's now up to $84 an hour for the work M so CU and you got eight free hours and Chris said he had he he said I I just don't see ever going to use these
hours so so I'm asking could you know could you once again authorize Chris to take and have say you know that you guys have voted uh that they can be uh turned over to the use of conservation for
trail man thank you great um yeah the these are ours that are kind of in our bucket but we every year I've been on the board we've signed them over because we typically don't have a need for them
um do we want is there any discussion on this no that's that's that's my recollection I don't remember ever not doing that and I don't remember when we started or I I just I think we started
when Adam came here MH I think I think and and I think that the entire time that Adam was here we did this yep um it would be nice if we it would be nice if we understood why the state thinks that we need those hours and and and understand what it is
the state thinks that we should be doing that we're not and I've mentioned that before but since we don't have any idea and our land use director has already said that he doesn't have an idea of what we're supposed to be doing with them I am all in favor of granting the
conservation request I don't even know that these come from the state it might be from our mrpc membership or okay okay that's why I thought say I think it was State uh Mr P did say bingo for the record
um um yeah so I mean we have it because we're the planers so we have the membership there we go uh we could have a motion to authorize the land use director to assign our uh G our mrpc GIS
contribution to the Conservation Commission for trail mapping so moved second moved and seconded all in favor I I Bob take care of our Trails thank you so
much um if you haven't ever had a chance to hike the trails the many trails we have in town do it there are many that are not strictly accessible are certainly more accessible for uh those of us with shot knees and they are
beautiful and a lot of fun Table Rock is hands down one of my favorites yeah and I go off a Homan regularly with a pooch cuz I can all right okay so I'm just going to keep us in board discussions
for Citizens caucus overlap March 10th at 700 p.m. as like EV as per every year the citizens caucus overlaps with our meeting um and the citizens caucus is
the uh they nominate people to be on the ballot do we have a problem with overlapping with citizens caucus I I was hoping to go last year was the first time I've ever been to a caucus I i' never they didn't they
didn't do that back where I came from so but it is what it is and I'm up for reelection so if I decide to go another 5 years then I would I don't think I need to be there but um
it's a good showing um does I never really really appreciated when people that weren't there got nominated but fair and then it does almost every year to Monday I mean we're not obligated to hold that meeting then we we could look we could find a different
time we could not have that meeting I think we've done it a couple of different ways before I think that we might have started late or we might have taken a break didn't we start early last year didn't we come like a half hour early oh
there was a year I don't know if it was for this but there was a time we started early and like Bam Bam Bam mhm when I got nominated we started early okay my ear but that requires I I do not anticipate our
agenda on the 11 on the 10th will allow for since we have uh two public hearings continued to the 10th um we could certainly look to start afterwards if we'd like I that would be
like a 8ish p.m start it's getting late yeah I'm not thrilled about that idea um well the alternative is the membership that wants to go to the caucus rather than be at the meeting uh would only impact the Quorum if if
nothing's done about the meeting yeah um so if we don't have any special permits special special not storm water special but real special right then then um three people would be adequate but that was that was my
thought I I don't want to be like forget about you but by the same token that kind of lets us split the difference as needed give me one second to confirm but I think we might have a special permit special special for then oh well that would be good to know oh
sorry are we talking about we're talking about the 10th not the 24th yes y yeah let me yeah yeah never mind I'm thinking of the 24th all right great so and knowing that Quorum could be an issue we can tell applicants they
probably don't want to schedule onto the 10th then great is that how we want to handle it sure yep all right sounds good to me Bangarang don't really need to vote on that cuz we're changing
nothing cool um we have our decisions for 558 and 560 goodr Street and 255 Sunny Hill Road yes um which would you like first um if you're getting to them online
they're on the leftand sidebar under decisions like where it says home emails to the board there's a decisions tab there um and I also have the paper copies right here okay I'll will hand the paper copies down I have them so this is pre-signing we should
review and just make sure everything is all set um do people assuming people want to take a look at them we should you do want the paper copies got sorry I thought these were just I'm just going to excuse myself for
one second while yall review um how many there's two decisions yeah and are they two or three pages uh there's two distinct uh decisions I think for 560 one is the storm water one
is the uh special permit for common driveway that might this one's just storm water stop it what [Music] what [Applause]
okay [Music] Logan can you can you point me to the place on the on the 255 storm water can you point me to where it says something about the maintenance requirement being on the [Music]
deed sure thing let me look through this I didn't see it maybe it's a special condition I'm sorry for which property were we looking uh 255 Sunny Hill [Music] [Music]
didn't see it from control fing through but I'm reading it end to end right now just to make sure oh those uh the closest thing I could see is in 17 um the last sentence of that paragraph is continued maintenance of
this area in a manner which assures permanent stabilization and prevents any soil erosion will be the responsibility of the owner of record of the property um which is in the vein of but not the same as
the require explicit requirement to record it on the deed yeah and we had that requirement so that it was transferable the requirement of the maintenance transfers with the property right I don't think it the it I don't
think it's needed to be on the deed to be transferred I think we had it on there so that future owners had some kind of information so that there was guarding not so it was legally transferable but so that it was
practically transferable if that sense I thought that's why we required it to be recorded with the deed so that no that that's why I'm saying that's why we had that that's why we added the deed recording but I don't think it's on no it is not okay um and I'll also mention on the same one the special condition I
think it should read a final review of the site shall be prop provided by peer review not the plan I mean I can look at the plan all day and say that looks like the plan yep but I think the intent there was to perview the site after
construction I thought that one was because I thought that special condition was because there was something minor that I thought we just basic I thought there was something minor that the peer reviewer still needed to say yeah okay that's good and
we I don't think that was the checking the site afterwards I think that one that special condition was um about some minor uh I think ISS is even as strong but in unresolved um they had fixed something
for the peer reviewer peer reviewer had not yet gotten back and said [Applause] yes well I still don't think it's going to be a final review of the plan because that's what we're doing by signing these I am
going hate to do this to an applicant a lot but we're missing a condition we don't have the exact wording that we know is correct that that will be correct and binding there we have a question about a special
condition listed and I don't know that we have the answer on exactly what the context of that was um we voted but I I don't think we can sign I'm not convinced we can sign this one
yet I agree was that I agree I agree okay great you're on the left side of me now that I'm over here I don't hear anything on that side so project address
560 okay come and driveway St one me 550 560 so likewise as far as the the legal requirement for the maintenance on these two five 558 and 560 um the maintenance and then also the um
the agreement between the owners of the common driveway right for the maintenance is that on here I think that would have been a special perent as I mean a special condition as well and I don't see any on the storm
water so it's assuming it's the same standard conditions is the last one which it should be won't be there for storm water so the legal framework must be provided for continuing maintenance of common areas such as homeowners association to be recorded on all property Deeds herein that's on the
common driveway but we still don't have well I mean do we have the recording of the maintenance and agreement for the storm water on the on the storm water perment specifically not the common driveway
right um cuz that that special condition I'm pretty sure covers the common driveway doesn't it yeah I think that does cuz we're just saying hey you have to set up a legal framework it's not it's not our business to dictate what that legal framework is we're just making sure they do it right that one
exists yeah um I'm not seeing that on 560 good riches storm water but let me I'm looking looking at 17 it doesn't read the same probably different [Music]
[Applause] yeah I'm not I'm not seeing it yeah it looks to be the same standard condition so I would speaking personally I am personally comfortable
um signing the decision for the uh common driveway tonight I'm not comfortable with either storm water unless we knew we had the correct wording and I don't know that we know we
do have the correct wording for the deed recording so that's where I am there I don't know where others sit okay yeah so the standard conditions for both storm waters are the same yep okay appear appear to me to be the
same I I compared multiple points and they were dead set or dead similar identical even one was [Applause] second okay his windows
now since I I I think that was our first Common driveway for the new bylaw right I don't think it was I think 728 good Rich sweet may have been um I don't know if that was in under the new one or
just before the new one um but I've seen that address tossed around a lot in the records that was yeah um Mr Cola now I remember us saying something about with multiple units you had to have a sign directory and I don't remember having
seen any pictures not a huge importance but um that was a requirement for the fire department so if they're responding to a fire they knew which leg to take to which house that was supposedly on fire
right right or or deliveries packages so you don't have to go on Facebook and say who's got my package we do have a requirement for a sign but but we've passed the point of yeah I say if we mess that up we mess that up
they still have to have it but I think we did mess it up yeah all right [Applause] yeah I guess so sure all right so the common driveway one right I've heard from Matt on this I just want to make sure others are in agreement with okay
yes great so we're happy to sign the one of three all right I'll take it so just sign away uh if it's the the one you're intending yes the Comm driveway yeah just put your signatures on
anything who who [Music] cares I've got pens sure a pen God There You Go sir thank you do I need to sign the last page too on that uh no said planning board further
certifies yeah I think that's there are some forms like there there are some decisions that exist where I have to sign separately yeah okay as chair cool great woo we
um another board discussion was review of standard operating procedures but that really needs Chris I'm going to put that up off cuz unless there objection um abing Community notices is there anything big bad that we need to
or big good that we need to know about um nothing that is Major um there were two notices from the Lancaster planning board um both were well one was from the Lancaster planning board one was from their zoning board of appeals uh both at
71 to 75 Main Street um regarding a 2,000t addition for uh truck repair and don't believe that's particularly close um side thing about these uh
would I'll check with Chris if this is like possible in kosher but would you prefer to get these in kind of just like a when it comes in format almost like a newsletter type thing instead of trickled in at meeting specifically just
so if there was something where you recognized an address and said hey I know that place this could be a thing would we like just to get these notices from Logan put together as appropriate more frequently and in
email I think this is quite adequate okay okay just my opinion yeah I'm fine with it sounds good right great okay and going back to that all right committee report
master plan steering committee we have a meeting scheduled and I know we have enough people for it um but still one thing to do um I would like to eliminate the two vacant
positions there's two remaining vacant positions uh and just to ensure that meetings are easier to make I would like to eliminate those two positions um they've been vacant since we started uh I hear you on that
if you know I would my personal thought yeah is if you know that you're going to have Corum like like barring unforeseen craziness could we wait on that until after that meeting in case the committee
has other thoughts and things I mean if you if you think it could be a threat to it I'm open I was just thinking we just rearrange the committee and I hate to rearrange again so we can rearrange again sure um I can leave it open to the
the steering committee to see if they want to do that um it would drop required Quorum from 7 to 5 um or sorry from 6: to 5 mhm um at the moment we've got we either have
eight or nine I don't know if I'm included in that eight um um so we are fine for Quorum at this point um I still do have some people that haven't responded but I do have enough people to have the meeting great
so uh it's March 3rd next Monday okay that was originally 15 people and we we we knocked off three three to have a total of six I mean a
total of 12 which is half is six yeah now in conversations I I don't recall I'm pretty sure you always round up because you typically want to have an odd number of people but I don't uh but someone said to me that you take the membership
and divide it by two and add one for the Quorum and it's somebody that has been involved in town government almost as long as I have so um I never even bothered to look it up but if if it's plus if it's half plus one as
far as a quorum requirement then they're still at 17 I mean seven mhm um and and you say vacant does that mean that there was nobody appointed to the position ever or that the person appointed to the position never showed
up there's never been somebody appointed it's the select board and um the zoning board of appeals nobody ever stepped into those rules s board never had someone they did have someone but then he left was
it was it Frank I think it was Mr Franco yes okay he was there and then he nobody filled his vacancy gotcha okay I wouldn't be against if if you'd be willing to accept the motion I wouldn't be against moving to remove two more people but two more two more spots
not people I I will I will certainly I I was sharing my personal opinion I'm certainly happy to accept accept the motion if did have somebody originally in select board um I could extend to them to see if they want to refill that
position um I'll hold fine I have enough to have the next meeting so that gives an opportunity to see if they want to put somebody in there or not okay that makes sense and then we can get the input from the steering committee of what they
would like to be and that will help sure great open space committee yes so we are still working on the 100 towns in Harbor uh Road property we didn't have a full we had enough for a quorum but we didn't have the the full
committee so we are still waiting waiting for a uh you know a full board to to discuss it it Still Remains the Same there's a lot of in interest in it but there is still a lot of a lot of work and it would it would be a good topic for the um review standard
operating procedures in in in the future because it did come up as to like they're still talking about it because a citizen had forwarded them that letter indicating that 100 towns in haror Road was coming out of chapter so we just need to streamline that process like it
was it was it was indicated that they hadn't actually formally been requested to review the property from the planning board so I I kind of took responsibility for that I I was there and you know could have provided better guidance in that that aspect but I think that would
go towards the standard operating procedures if if and when or when we get it set up through open goov and I'll stop in at some point to chat with Logan a bit more on that but I think it would just be clear that once that you um
property came out of chapter and that email came through that that would essentially be the notification of our you know our desire to hear their their thoughts or assessment based on the the six criteria mhm um so I think you know
that that's as I learned the process myself you know it's it's it's tough to be the the point point person on something you don't know a whole lot about so it's it's becoming more more clear to me um but I I think it is it is
important even even as I wrap my head around that the fact that they just are and correct me if I'm wrong we're just assessing the property based on those six criteria and would essentially just forward that score off to the the board of Selectmen and that they ultimately
are the ones that will make the decision whether to uh basically execute the first right of refusal and obtain the property it's it would not be the our our decision or the open space committee's decision to actually pursue it it would just be to
recommend based on that criteria is that correct that is correct now I do not believe we have ever as a board said open space committee yeah please review this specific property I think it's one of those where it has been brought to
their attention by the land use director as our agent right to say hey this is coming at a chapter take a look at this right um which I I don't personally think we as a board need to give that official okay
especially where things are times sensitive and and I think that's the takeaway for me was gaining experience is that I'm I'm there and saying yep we would like you to you know score this if you will and then my other question I I just didn't know is that the end of it
or is it do does their recommendation come to us and then we vote on it as well and then that goes or do we just go with their vote we definitely vote on a recommendation to the select board okay I don't know if theirs goes separately
to the select board as well okay I know it comes to us and I know we send a recommendation to the select board um because it it sounds like that there'll be it would hit three of the six criteria and it was still like an
informal discussion so it it's I believe it was like they they look for three or four hits for it to to go forward so okay great and um and there's enough
time on that for the open space committee to meet again yeah there was I guess it would I'd have to go back and recalculate as as if we were also going to you know weigh in with with a vote but um the the originally the Clock Was
reset because when they first sent it out it something was missing so the clock didn't start so we had a little bit more time like we're probably at about a month right now okay so M Mr oconnell can we have that on our next um agenda regardless
absolutely just uh yeah because I I don't want us to miss our opportunity to chime in no I appreciate that um great all right Municipal Building design committee we were cut short uh for whatever reason Zoom just disconnected
um and the chair did not say that he fat fingered the exit so um I'm assuming we have more zoom issues than we are aware of um but anyways we did get some discussion in um just before we got cut
off there was a a discussion from the representative from the school committee on that group uh in in basically uh compartmentalized a a long list of uh comments on
Facebook um that was part of the discussion is the the timing of the presentation being put on Facebook and and all the the cut to the schools and so there was a large clamor about that and um he was breaking it down um so
we're basically trying to get ready to uh put a a happy face on this at town meeting um $22 million is a lot of money whether you've got a happy face or or not so um basically that's what what the
group's doing now is they're trying to get rid of town meeting all right thank you Capital planning committee has not met since our last meeting Economic Development Committee uh we also have not met since last
stormw waterer task force um we've received from CI um an initial breakdown of what uh fee schedules and some of the implementation is going to
look like so we've got some really good progress happening there um we're looking to have a kind of just a 5 minute introductory spot at the town meeting just to tell people uh pay attention this is this is coming up in
the future um yeah making progress it's going well great massachusett Regional Planning Commission uh we have not met since our previous meeting but we do have a special meeting this week on Wednesday
but just to approv travel for mrpc members oh okay so like a yeah yeah like special oh one of those things one of those things massachusett joint Transportation committee uh we met a couple weeks ago
not much to convey they did mention that lunenberg does have a project on the schedule it looks like they're doing uh I I believe it's a traffic and safety review for um Mass
a from I'm not going to remember the cross streets but basically from Walmart Mountain Electric Avenue right yes to Chase Road that's what it was right at the corner with the with the the gas station so they're they're they're going
to be there looking at the cars looking at the traffic patterns I'm assuming they're looking mostly at that entrance ramp that kind of comes on from Chase Road but that's it Walmart Mountain W isn't that what it's
called what it's called Walmart mountain look I'm not saying it wasn't an app descriptor but things can be accurate and ruin my soul at the same time is that not what it's called cuz I grew up that's what it was called I mean I couldn't tell you what the name of the
hill is mind you so Walmart Mountain there we go okay minutes approval for our February 10th meeting ooh friends we're back at the time that our minutes line up with the previous
meeting we had it's amazing what happens when all the positions are filled right and Logan I continue to love your your minutes by the way much appre I I am still trying to get them more I mean less
detailed only mildly um I was looking back at some of my old ones from like when I first first started here and I was like wow these are nice and concise but it's because I didn't understand what was going [Laughter] on all right do people wish more time to
review the minutes no okay I'm getting head shakes so we could have a motion to approve the minutes for the February 10th 2025 meeting uh so moved second moved and
seconded any discussion all in favor I I all right excellent meeting schedule um yeah we meet here at 6:00 p.m. at beautiful town hall and our upcoming
meetings include March 10th and March 24th public comment there is no public here uh board comment concerns uh I just
small thing to bring up just now because I remembered it now um in speaking with Town Council the other week they nothing we can do about it now but um There is mild concern that um
as as a reminder our Adu bylaw needs that we originally were like yeah this looks good Town Council said that is not going to fly with the state and we need to drastically rework it there are concerns
that um about if whatever we need to rework it to legally to meet the state's needs will fit within the four corners of what we put into the warrant um we'll just have to see how
that goes that that's not a known value One Way or Another yet but FYI and we will have to figure that out [Music] um when the time comes it could always become a citizen POS petition and
address that way but just kind of putting that on our radar that was another aspect that came out of my discussion with town Council um along with his reminder that he is always happy to review
bylaws and and help in their crafting if need be um all right any other board comments concerns please kind of in that same category I was just wondering if maybe in the future a conversation maybe
between the chair and the land use director relative to the reference in a recent email indicating that employees are encouraged or directed I'm not sure what the term was to um refrain from emailing outside of work hours so I
think I'd like to hear more about that it seems like that's somewhat limiting and you know government's you know doesn't work 8 to four sure I can I can chat with him on that and he may be able to give us some more uh
help elucidate that I'll probably let them feel better for us that seems kind um all right I I I agree with that um I I I would also like to mention we're only open four days a week as far as the municipality so
um that makes it quite difficult and I know that uh well the DPW fire and police I think are the only ones that work on Fridays um I'm not sure why that had anything to do with that but
um yeah no I'm I'm I'm not I I share concerns about that policy I don't I think that that uh if they're willing and able to I don't think that they should be uh told not to right um
it's great that the staff is who they are and they are willing and able and do do that but uh I I can't think of any possible legal reason for that to have been asked of I
can conceive of reasons it legal reasons it could be asked but I don't know if they're accurate I I will follow up on that as a volunteer most of the time that I have to dedicate to this is outside of standard work hours yeah I think that's a fair
point um and then one more thing about Town Council um there is no reason that we cannot request the Town Council to be here uh especially for things like this uh
electric AV uh application um and and it's not uncommon not uncommon for us to consult with Town Council at our meetings when we're putting Bas together um and and of
course we want to be uh lary of of his time um he not close I don't think um but uh and then also on the town counil um the the questions that were being
asked on that electric AV plan uh they're far beyond our purview far beyond our purview and the outcome of that far beyond our purview discussion or whatever it's going to
be weighs very heavily on whe we we'd even considered that application in the first place or if we have to consider it because it's other than we thought then then we should be getting the full picture and and and getting the
description of what's intended to become of that entire Road MH um I I really people can think what they think the audience you can think what you think about my intentions on on bringing
these questions up but ideally this is the responsibility that we volunteered for and we've been elected to do there are residents on that road that have stopped coming to these meetings by the way because oh it's on the agenda for
the six sth time and nothing gets talked continued we're making the residents come to meetings and sit sometimes for a half hour to an hour before they're even aware that oh they just nothing's happening okay go home that's not fair
that is not fair it is not fair to them it is not fair to us because we have a lot of stuff that we haven't gotten done because there's a lot of stuff to do and and that's just one example of what I feel personally I feel is a frivolous
use of this board and this time it's it's it's excuse me it I I feel I feel very strongly that it should have been initially saw as seen as an incomplete application should not have come before
us and in the public um uh it is a little background on that I can give you what components I have which isn't a lot is only in the context of if memory serves because when this originally came
to us and they talked about there being the road thing um I admit my my first offthe cuff just out loud response was how can we even look at this and and the answer was that I believe Town Council said yeah
it's this it goes to the planning board now and this is for them to look at is that the only thing they've said about it since I'm sorry that's the only thing they've said about it since that's ridiculous yeah well we we
now have the we have what Town Council needs and that um I had a good meeting the other week with uh Town Council with the land use director to identify
specifically what Town Council needs and as we heard from the applicant they have received that info and sent it to council so now we should there were I mean clearly some snao there hopefully that is being addressed and we will have that answer
in hand ASAP um I get your frustration I do but I just wanted to I wanted to give the component that I had which was Town Council had said yeah this should go to the planning board now not I mean not
with any other legal like because of X but no this is it should be here okay um I'll also tell you I'm working from memory about something from months ago so that's fine appreciate it thank you all right anything
else I would entertain a motion to adjourn so moved second moved and seconded all in favor I I rock and roll friends at home thank you very much I hope you have a good
couple weeks till we see you next take care