Evening everyone and welcome to this our Monday, November 24th, 2025 meeting of the Lunberg Planning Board. We are meeting at the Bilada meeting room upstairs at town hall. As always, if you want to join us tonight, now normally
you would be able to join us if you're watching us online. You'd also be able to go to Facebook live. It does say we'll be on Facebook with our agenda, but we have been superseded by the tri board meeting that's happening tonight. So, we are not on Facebook live like the
agenda says. That's life. Um, we do remain accessible via Zoom, however. So, feel absolutely welcome. You can find you can always log into Zoom with the link on our agenda. The agenda is found on the town website and this meeting is
being recorded and broadcast on public access. Um, with all of that, that is our standard preamble and we can call the meeting to order. Um, opening. Oh, I see Mr. Harris is joining us this evening.
Wonderful. We are being joined tonight as well. uh remotely by Mr. Richard Harris who is our um who is our interim land use director as well as by Lee Bane. Lee Bane is our
new admin assistant in the planning office. Uh thank you both for joining us tonight. And that's right, our office actually has staff in it. Very, very exciting. Um, if not for all of y'all,
I'll tell you that's a pretty great thing in my book. Um, opening with any board comment. Nope. >> All right. Um,
and uh, chair and director's report. Um, on the chair side, I would just chime in that we have um, the planning office looks real good right now. Friends, if you haven't come by, stick your head in the if you're in Ritter, stick your head in the planning office. We've got the
new counter built uh thanks to our friends in facilities and uh the office is repainted and it looks fantastic and we are very fortunate that also kind of helps with the uh with the
accessibility for Ritter as well. We can't do anything about the current layout and the kind of the long route to the accessible entrance, but this will help keep that way nice and clear and easy to navigate for those who do need
the accessible entrance. All right. Um, I think those are actually some just the biggies. There's not a lot for me going on. Richard, is there anything you'd like to say uh share from the land use
director's standpoint? >> Not really. No, >> I I would I'm was not expecting to be here tonight, but my other meeting got cancelled. So, >> I was surprised and I'm glad you're here. Wonderful. Um Oh, I will I put the
talk about putting the cart before the horse in some ways. I almost forgot. MBTA communities passed. It passed non-controversially. That is a huge feather in the cap to the various iterations of this board who
have been working on MBTA communities since it began 3 years ago. It's a huge feather in the cap for the members of the public who were concerned and reached out either via email or in conversations at the grocery store or at the public info sessions we had. And
that let some really good discussions happen so that by the time we got to town meeting, none of this was new. It wasn't what's going on. The community was aware and even if individuals weren't as aware,
they were surrounded by people who did know. It made the process very slick. Um, and Richard and I are looking at getting that all submitted. So, we're in a good place. All right. Um, I'm going to go on to
appointments. We have Judy Dragos here tonight uh being brought forward as a candidate for the Economic Development Committee. And we have in our folder um either in this folder printed or also
on the computers we have um Judy's talent bank form. But Judy, you've owned business as Lunberg forever. Tell us just a little bit. >> Okay. Judy Rose. Um, I've got a
background in business and marketing. Uh, the last 15 years of my career have been in the restaurant business. My husband and I have owned five restaurants. The last one being Lunberg Diner here in Lunenburgg until we retired last year. Um, so I'm very
familiar with owning, operating, running the business po business parts. Um, I feel very confident in assisting businesses and I'm looking forward to if there's an
opportunity to help Lunenburgg grow their their business um to bring more businesses in. I love this community and anything I can do to help, I'm interested. >> Love it. Um, I would turn for I would
turn to the board and see if we have any questions. Have you attended or participated in any of the uh committee's meetings or watched them? >> No. Let me add I'm also the vice president of the Lunberg business association. So um no, I have not been
part of the economic de development committee other than attending their last mix and mingle. >> Okay. >> And and working with the some of their board members there knowing who they are. So, and I know the Lunberg Business Association is its own entity and has
its own goals and correct objectives. How do you kind of intend to use that platform to bring other businesses in or >> look at economic development on a wider platform for the town?
I don't think I can answer that for you right now because I have not been that I have not been worked with the economic development committee that much other than they asked if I were interested in the they they felt like I the vice the president there Josie felt that I would
be a good candidate to join her committee. >> Thank you. That's all I have. >> Great. Tim, do you have anything? >> I do not. um your uh history and and uh
uh past seems like a a good fit for what the board would be looking for. >> Okay. Thank you. >> And Judy, you and I have interacted in the past as well. So, >> um excuse me. All right. I would look for a
motion such as to um uh appoint Jude Judy Dragos to the um open seat on the economic development committee. >> So moved. Second. >> Moved and seconded. All in favor? >> I.
>> Perfect. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Judy. >> Have a good night. >> Yep. um like really like that we can keep that committee moving and um we'll talk a little bit about more some of what's
going on there uh during the committee reports. Not a ton. Great. Looking next on our agenda, which I've promptly buried in my papers because I'm only so useful.
There goes Greg Roy. Just assuming he's up because he's next on the agenda >> and the only person here. >> All right, we have our public hearings for 30 Summer Street. There are three of
them. There's um the special permit for building in um the flood plane. Uh if you're for those who are looking on open gov I'm going to give you ref open gov reference numbers as well for those who want to see the documents there that's
PBSP259 for storm water permit PBS256 and site plan approval PBSA 258. Um, we do need to open this special this uh
>> so we need to open the public hearing first. >> Mr. Chair, if I could ask a preliminary question before you open the meeting. >> Yes. >> We have a site plan approval, a storm water permit and a special permit. And the special permit requires a super majority.
>> Yes. Do you have I just want to confirm in the public uh do you have the ability for Mullen's rule because I because Miss Reed is not here and we would need her to form a quorum. >> Uh we do have the ability for Mullen. >> We can Mullen rule a special permit, right? Yes,
>> we can do it. I just want to make sure that your board you understand that we would have to >> the town has adopted an and and the planning board has used it previously. I >> I knew the answer. I was just trying to get it in the public and I wanted to make sure that it would be acceptable to have Amanda do that. It's acceptable to
us. I just want to make sure that >> understood completely. Nope. Not an issue. Um if you if you don't want to open tonight, we would be fine with allowing you to continue. >> No, I want to open tonight because the other we can do it. I think you can open all three. I was going to suggest that
maybe we didn't open that one, but I there's no harm in opening it. >> Okay. I mean, it's it's the one she can miss. That's the that would be the only concern there. >> Um Yeah. Um I I it's your call. I'm fine either way.
Um you're going to continue the other two, I suspect. So um let's not open it. Let's just open the site plan approval and the storm water. >> Okay. >> And then I can talk to that. I would just ask that he send a continuence form
signed >> agreeing to the continuence of the opening of the hearing beyond the 65 days >> that's statutoily required. >> Yeah, we'll do that. No problem. >> Great. >> I think that makes sense. And then I can talk to the merits of the project under the other two hearings and then we can
not waste time, I think. >> Super. I just thought about it. I'm like, "Oo, yeah, I don't want that to >> Yeah. No, I appreciate I I appreciate that. Thank you." >> Okay. Um, great. Let me with slight apologies. I normally try to
have all these documents up and ready before the meeting, but I'm going to be real with everyone. It is Thanksgiving week and I am hosting. So, um, >> would you like me to read it? >> If if you have it handy, that would be great. Thank you.
The Lunberg Planning Board will hold a public hearing, excuse me, on November 24th, 2025 at 6:05 p.m. Town Hall 17 Main Street, Lunenburgg, Mass to hear and review an application for site plan approval pursuant to section 250-8.4,
special permit pursuant to section 2504.8D3, 8D3 construction within the floodplane district and storm water permit pursuant to section 204-1 of the code of
the town of Lunenburgg by Chris Russ SAF store real estate co LLC for the construction of a four-story self-s storage facility containing approximately 104 700 104,700
square ft at 30 Summer Street assessor's map 115 parcel 9 owner Summer Street Autos LLC 30 Summer Street Lunberg, Massachusetts 01462. >> All right, great. And Mr. Roy, if you
are ready, please. >> I am. Thank Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Greg Roy with Dillison Roy representing the applicant this evening. I appreciate your time. Um, and I'm going to try to be brief um and give you an overview of the project. um also tell you where we are with the other
permitting um because this like like a lot of these larger projects dovetales with some of the other boards and commissions in town. Um and then I do want to make sure that we discuss um peer review. I'm I'm certain that you're going to want to get this peer reviewed and I'd like to get that uh if it hasn't
been already, I'd like to get that underway. So um so real quick um again we um were talking about the property at 30 Summer Street. Um it's very close to the Fitsburg line. If you go um to the
west a few properties the Fitchburg line is there we go is kind of over here off the off the page if you will. Um so um you may you may be familiar with the site. It's currently used as a as an
automotive um auto auto sales uh facility. The gray hatching here uh constitutes the existing uh extents of the of the pavement on the property and the uh the pink uh rectangle is the existing structure. And I point that out
to you to just to document that there there's a lot of impervious on the site. Just about an acre of the 1.15 acres site is is uh in fact impervious. Um, so we have a a fairly um impervious
existing condition. Um, as we mentioned, um, I'm going to put another piece another plan up. We're proposing a self- storage facility on the site. Um, it will be an air conditioned self- storage facility. So,
not one that you would see where you pull up to a garage door bay, singlestory. Um, this this will be a multi-story building, air conditioned, climate controlled space. Uh, fourstory building. The footprint on the um on the pink portion here is approximately
26,000 ft. I'm I'm rounding again. Four stories um which is how we get to the approximately 104,000 square ft of of um of area, gross floor area. Um we are proposing uh to reconfigure the pavement
at the site to just be uh consolidated to the front portion of the site. Um one of the things that you'll need to determine through the site plan approval process is parking. You don't have this use to find as a use. Um so we have um
we have worked with the applicant. the applicant actually feels that uh in it's let me back up a little bit backspace. Safe store um does these all across the country. So this is sort of their um their business model. Um so they're in
the business of of finding sites and permitting uh these type of facilities all over. So they have a lot of um data relative to these type of things. Um they actually came to us and said uh when we were doing the initial early
analyses relative to parking that they really needed about 12 spaces. We're able to get them I think 16 or 17 uh between 15 and 17. I think we took a couple out for a dumpster right here. But we're in excess of what they need. Your board has the ability I think to
determine that. But we will need to make that determination through the site plan approval process. So I just wanted to kind of bring that up. Um but essentially we're going to utilize the existing entrance which is right here in the middle of the site. Um a lot of this existing today is actually fairly
unconsolidated. Um they park vehicles there uh and show show vehicles and things for sale, but u the primary access is right here in the center. We're going to utilize that. We'd have two-way traffic um along this front edge with the parking right up against the building.
the accessible um handicap spaces would be in this location adjacent to this black rectangle here is the portion that would be the office. Um so um that would be where we would uh be looking to get that accessibility. It's not colored very well here, but there also is a
sidewalk located along the side and front here that also is an accessible route. Um meets the ADA standards uh for accessibility. It's just colored green. We didn't render that quite right today, but um so we've consolidated all those
in that area. And the reason for that is really um one of the things I wanted to talk about tonight, although you didn't open it because it's a special permit. Um I did want to acknowledge the fact that the site is within the 100red-year flood plane. Um so
we're trying to keep the filling of the flood plane to a minimum but there is some flood plane filling that is required um to construct the building and also half of the parking. We've raised this portion of the parking lot so that it can be sort of that the right
elevation relative to the building. We left this portion of the parking lot at existing grade so we don't have any additional unnecessary uh filling of the flood plane. Uh be that as it may, we have a table here on sheet C4 that documents our flood compensation
storage. This is important will be important when we finally get to open the flood plane um special permit, but it's also important uh relative to the conservation commission. Um flood plane is considered bordering land subject to flooding by the weather's
protection act and requires a notice of intent. So, we've also filed a notice of intent uh application with the conservation commission. We opened that hearing last week and that's ongoing. So, I just wanted to >> uh let you know that that is in progress. Um so, but that's really how
we determined that, you know, where we'd put those accessible parking areas um on that portion of the site where we're um filling the parking in order to make that work. Um from a storm water standpoint
uh the site is fairly unique in that we are reducing the amount of impervious area on the site. So existing conditions is like.9 five or 995 I I can't remember almost an acre of impervious area. We're reducing
it. Uh the the parking areas um uh sidewalk areas and and rooftop areas um are 86 acres. So we're reducing that by I think 12 or 13% uh on the site. So doing
nothing on the site for storm water controls by way of um detention basins will be reducing the the amount of runoff because we'll have more green space and we'll have more um infiltration of the storm water. I understand you're not going to take my word for that. You're going to get it
peer-reviewed, but just as an overall uh as an overview of that. Um, but we have provided a storm water drainage report that, as I say often enough, if you have trouble falling asleep tonight, you can pull out, read the first, you know, 5 to 10 pages and it'll put you to sleep. But
we have provided all that uh to document compliance with the Massachusetts storm water management policy. Um, utilities. I'm going to flip the page actually. We had a exciting discussion on the floor of town
meeting. I guess that's the word I'll use. Uh relative to this part of town and uh and water um last week. >> Um this site is actually not connected to water. There's an existing well on the property. Um, now, yep, there's a well
somewhere over here. I'd have to show you on the existing conditions uh page. We are proposing and we've worked we've talked directly to uh to Fitchburg and also to Lunberg uh the water district with Lunberg. Um we are proposing a connection uh to the water man that's out in the
street. will be connecting right in this location here and providing domestic and fire uh sprinkling flows uh through this um to this to this piece of property. Um so it's it's great that we could hopefully we're on the path of getting
those uh those um this area of town resolved um relative to that because we are going to be indeed proposing a new commercial connection um on that uh in that portion of town. Um we haven't had any issues relative to the engineering
specifics of that um that connection when we reached out to the uh city of Fitsburg. Um similarly, we're going to be connecting to the sewer. Um so the sewer exists out in the middle of Summer Street and we're proposing a lateral uh right in this location to connect to the
uh uh you know to connect the the wastewater to the site. Um at this point we don't propose any gas connections because um energy code really uh makes it difficult to use fossil fuels nowadays for um for heating. Um but if
we um if that would really be a construction level thing anyway. Um but we would have we'd of course uh propose an electrical connection to the street uh in a you know conventional manner. However, Unel tells us to do that is what we'll do.
Um generally uh speaking t two more points. Um there is an access ramp where you can drive into the building um to to access into the building. Um, operationally speaking, most of the patrons that come and
um, access the storage park in the in the out exterior to the building and bring their their um their items in utilizing the elevators and things uh to get them to the the second through fourth floors. Um, but there is uh the
ability for uh for uh interior uh loading uh through this portion of the site right there. Um, and then the only other thing I wanted to point out, I think, is lighting. Um, well, two more things actually. Lighting. Um, we're not proposing any, um, parking lot lights
like you'd see at, um, Hannerfords or Walmart. Um, we're going to be using wallpack lights, so downward throw lights mounted to the side of the building. I think we have, um, I think six proposed, five or six proposed. Um
the only portion of the site um and I know we don't have any butters here, but that doesn't mean we're going to ignore it. There are some This is all commercially zoned, but there are some residentially you uh residential uses over here. Um so we're not proposing any wallpack lights on this side. The only
thing we proposing is what's allowed what's required by code for a a light at that pedestrian door, but no um wallpack lights that would uh sort of flood the the parking areas. So, we're going to do the the rear here, this side, and this
side, but not the um adjacent to what's a intervvil road. Um and I think the only other thing I wanted to say was that um by way of permitting, I I should have led with this, the first stop we made was to the zoning board of appeals
because this use is allowed by a special permit uh from the zoning board of appeals. They did grant the special permit for the use um two or three weeks ago. So, I think we're in an appeal period there, but I think that's it. Um, like I said, I I uh expect that you
would want a uh peer review. If you don't, that's fine, but I would expect that you would on a on a project this size. And if that's the case, >> recording in progress, >> I would love to get um You want me to repeat it all?
Uh if if that's the case, I would love to get that going uh and initiate or authorize your staff to to get that uh in progress. >> All right, that's it. >> Great. Thank you. Um as uh although we're not going to look
at it tonight, just for the quick edification of our viewers at home, um this is going to be the first project coming before our board that makes use of the new flood plane bylaw that we passed at last town meeting. Um that
bylaw is a mandate from the state and we really use their recommended language and everything. uh is pretty is overall straightforward, but that's why there's going to be a special permit here that if you're watching at home, you may not have seen us do before. Um and again,
that's for bylaw before. I think it's just an updated bylaw. Yes. Because they updated the mapping. So, it was just some minor changes if I'm not mistaken. >> Um >> I mean, it was a little more extensive in language, but I think functionally it's fairly similar.
I don't think it had the special permit requirement though. It did. Did Okay, great. >> Then it's just the mapping change that more comes into play now. I know there was a lot of words we had to do. >> There was a lot of words change, but it's it's just kind of that the lawyer is making you update language.
>> Yeah. I mean I mean I know that the thing I memorized more so was my pitch to town meeting and the understanding of what it really means to the town which is had much more to do with we need to do this. so that people could keep their flood insurance. >> Yeah. Right. Right. Absolutely.
>> Yeah. This is an interesting site because we surveyed this in I don't know um June. I can't remember. I think the maps updated July 3rd or 4th or July 5th or something like that. Beginning of July,
the flood maps. And it was fortuitously timed because if we had done this, if we had been processing the and drawing the existing conditions based on the 1980s maps, um the the old
flood plane maps, the datam conversion actually suggested that the flood plane was going to be about 1.8 ft lower on this site than the new maps um published. I don't know what happened. I don't know
if they did a new study and decided they needed to increase the elevation in this area. Um because around the corner we're working on select engineering on the corner of Route 2A and it's in Fitchburg but Route 2A and John Fitch Highway. The
the new maps cover that area too. And the datams did exactly what we expected. It it it went down, you know, it went down by8 ft. Here it went up by h a foot. I I don't know what happened. We
I'm suspicious of it. Um but we've used the published the newly published flood elevation um and just went worst case scenario on it. I don't know of any we've had some pretty big floods over the 20 years that I've lived in town. I don't know that
this area is a big you you did you do you know of any flood in this part of Summer Street? Most of it used to be urban flooding and it was more a result of the landing strip that used to be out there and the lack of drainage. >> Yeah. Yeah. I just don't know of this part of town as being, you know, of
real, you know, but be that as it may, we're using the published the newly published flood elevation which is based on new datams and um and we're meeting the performance standards based on that. So >> great. Um and again that's not our main topic tonight. I just wanted to give
some extra info for our friends at home who are going, I haven't heard about the flood plane. Is this a big deal? It this is still part and parcel. >> Um >> um I also like calling out to the town when the work they've done in town
meeting matters. Um >> it always matters, Matthew. >> Well, so yes, it does when they can see how their work has a direct impact. I I should say. Absolutely.
>> Um, all right. I Well, I have a couple questions, but I will turn to the for uh storm water and site plan, but I'll turn to the rest of the board as well. And then we will also turn out for uh public comment. I don't
think we will have I don't Well, there is some in out there tonight, so we'll also go out for public comment as well. This is a public hearing. But first, I'll turn to the board. Do we have or what questions do we have for Mr. Roy tonight. >> Do you have any, Tim?
>> Um, I do not. >> Okay, then I'll start my list. >> Um, in your narrative, there are multiple mentions about it being a redevelopment site and meeting MEP or maximum extent practicable. >> Our storm water bylaw actually requires
redevelopment to meet 80% TSS and 50% phosphorus. I didn't dig through the storm water report. I just want to make sure that we're hitting those targets. >> Um, you don't have erosion control on the rear of the site. I'm inferring that
that is an elevation thing and not wanting to spend the time and effort to install it around your area of clearing where it's a a twoft height difference between the main site and the crest over to the the slope down to the MBTA
tracks. >> Correct. Yeah. >> Um, >> it's, uh, will they be intending to have a truck rental business like some of these facilities have? >> Not that I know of. U,, but I'll ask that question
>> because, frankly, the parking is fine until you start bringing U-Hauls in and out. And, uh, >> Yep. I'll ask that question. Thanks. So, for the drive-in to the building >> Mhm. >> can you provide turning movements for
your average U-Haul? And can you also do it for the trash truck? I'm I'm sure you've run the exercise, but I just want to have it on the record so that there isn't questions when that first person hops the curb and runs into the building because they don't know how to drive a
U-Haul. >> Yeah, absolutely. We could do like an SU30 or something. Yeah. Um, I know some of these facilities, especially this large, provide managers apartments and the manager lives on site. Is that part of this facility?
>> Uh, not that I know of, but I'll ask. >> Mention it. So, I just wanted to ask. Uh, do you know the total number of storage units in the building? >> I do not, but I will ask. >> And did the zoning board put any hours of operation? >> Um, you know, it's interesting. I didn't
go to that hearing. Um, so I'm not sure, but I can we'll check. >> And that's more of a curiosity because I think the longer it operates, the more it's open, the more we just want to be conscious about parking. >> Yeah. >> Um, I know we're not doing flood plane
tonight, but you're using all low impact storm water for the most part, and you're also providing compensatory storage. It appears that it's a hybrid system. Is that fair to say?
>> Yeah, this is tricky. Um, I I said that I think I know where you're going. Um, I said that we don't need any detention basins, conventional detention basins. >> Well, I mean, you have them in in a in a sense. You have the swailes around the building. >> One of the D comments during
conservation process was that we need to document how we can accommodate flood storage in the areas that are also going to be dis where the roof is going to be discharged to. So, we have to address that with um with uh DP. I'm actually interested in seeing what what um
uh Walsh has to say about that. >> That was that was my kind of thought as well. Graves, excuse me, Jeff Walsh Graves, because I this is one of those situations where um >> we could direct the roof leaders to
bypass those storm water areas to accommodate a flood that in my in my view probably isn't going to occur on this site, but if it does, it's going to occur. There's a 1% chance every hundred
years. Granted, that's happened. you know, we've had, you know, 100 year storms uh multiple times over the past 10 or 20 years, but it's a very low a low chance event. Seems like it'd be better to just discharge the, you know, the the um the roofs into those areas.
So, for 99% if not all the cases where you're going to have we're going to have runoff events and no flooding associated with Baker Brook that we just we just utilize it even though we don't need it. >> And >> so, we have to work through that. I >> I don't disagree with the approach. I just want to know that mathematically it works out because
>> at the end of the day >> we're proving it and >> yeah it won't work out if there's a 100red-year flood. >> I'll tell you that right now. Um if there if there's 100 if there's a water surface at elevation 366 which is essentially all the way around the building and
>> here right >> um you just you won't it'll be pouring into that and >> and I mean honestly in that event even if you were to use dry wells under the parking area you're in the same situation >> right we have a lot bigger problems than the roof right and but by the way in
that situation that that's that's more or less what you have Now you you you have no attenuation of of storm water runoff. It flows directly off the site into the flood plane areas. So it's what you have today and we're reducing the amount of impervious area. So the the impact is going to be less is my point.
But we have to work through that with DP and I expect with Graves, but that's a good question. And with the drive-in building, and this is not necessarily our concern, but it's something I think we should be aware of,
is you need an MDC trap in a garage that you store a a vehicle in. I would reach out to the building inspector or the plumbing inspector and verify if that's a necessity. Yeah. Uh because you may need a second sewer connection or at least a Y once you get into the site for
those two flows. >> Yeah. Know, it's a good good point. I think we need to go to um the sewer commission as well on this one. So, we we need to get that reviewed. But thank you. >> That's all I have. >> Great. Um I had a few questions. Uh just
I'm curious how they came I I understand this is a company that does this regularly and it it doesn't benefit them >> to have an inappropriate amount of parking, >> but I'm curious how they get to the number. Um I could I could get they
didn't give me a detailed calculation. They just gave me anecdotally that for these type for these size um places they routinely permit them with you know 12 or so parking spaces that's what they see that they need um sort of anecdotally is what they pointed to.
>> Yeah. >> But I can get some back back up for you. >> Yeah. I I would like to know the methodology. Now the methodology may be Yeah. Yeah, we do this all the time in buildings this big typically need about this number. If that's what it is, that's what it I just want to >> Yep.
>> Uh and frankly, if they do have some kind of calculation, I also want to know it because >> this isn't included in our >> parking bylaw right now. And >> data point for you folks. Yeah. Okay. >> Right. In general, my feeling on that is businesses aren't going to spend three
four million dollars to do this and underpark themselves and make it hard for people to give them money. >> It's true. >> I I agree. I think that >> and I I think it's good to get the calculations just I think it's super unlikely. I just am aware of our history
of problematic parking in town and >> I'm just I I will feel better. I I support your your request. >> Same as I I also sit there and think, okay, what if you what if they're wrong and people start parking up and down summer street
regardless of if they can't and >> in their big boxes? >> Yes. Um No, that's good. Fair question. >> Um okay, I think that's mine. Richard, I'm going to turn to you and as always, my friend, you can feel free to interrupt me at or us at any point
because you know we're paying you, sir. So, feel free, but um is there anything you want to ask or want to bring to our attention for us to ask or like that? I >> think you've brought questions I would have uh raised uh regarding the parking.
I think be could be helpful to have a couple of um sites that they have these facilities at. >> Yeah. >> So we can see what their square footage and their number of parking spaces are there and see how how they compare. >> Great.
>> Yep. >> Thank you, sir. And I'm going to take a moment as well to ask if there is any public comment. I see no public in the room, but we do have public um on the in
our participants list on Zoom. So, if you are here and want to ask a question or make a comment, just go ahead and use that hand raise feature. Um if you really aren't sure how to use the hand raise feature, unmute and say,
"Dude, dude, me." But yeah, seeing none at this time, I'll let us know if that changes. >> I did have one last question that I I missed on my list. >> Please. >> Do you know the number of employees that they have on their largest shift? I know a lot of these places are usually onesie
twoozy. There isn't too many folks there, but >> I'll confirm that, but my understanding is like one or two people on site. Um not not a big load there at all. >> Yeah, that's kind of what I >> But I'll confirm that. Um I'm
I'm just looking quickly if Okay. Yeah, the uh I I see the police department did I mean it's gone it's gone to the police department as well. Wonderful. I didn't I wasn't sure that was a step in this process and I wanted to make sure it was
because I could envision a world where >> they care about >> storage facility in particular. >> Well, they probably will as far as security goes. Um most facilities I've dealt with like this >> have an internal external camera system. Um, and generally it's it's monitored
fairly strictly and they may just want to reach out to the chief and see if he has a retention time period that he likes to see. So, they make sure that, you know, if it's a 30-day retention, um, >> just to make sure that if there there
are any requirements or or other things that he thinks would make it easier for him to assist them that they can be ahead of that rather than have an incident and find out that >> yeah, >> they don't have what he needs for whatever. >> Enough enough. Uh, yeah. Okay. Um, we
also did get um I think we got I can't remember if it's through this process or if it was through our filing that we made with the zoning board of appeals, but we did get a comment from the fire department about hydrant placing and things like this. So, um, we we did address that. There's going to be a hydrant. It's not in this plan, but it's
going to put a put a hydrant right there. Right there. >> All right. And then, um, I think that Bill Bernard had a a comment or two, so we'll make sure that we we clean all that up. I I I like to get the comments out in front of me, peer review and all.
Uh and then we'll try to do as comprehensive of of a planer vision as we can to try to >> address everybody's concerns at once. >> Yeah. And that's See, it's interesting because they have that I'm thinking I don't see anything, but it must have been through the >> I think it was through the zoning board of >> appeals GBA
>> process. Uh yeah, and >> yeah, >> we have that noted. >> I love that. I love that open gov lets me look at this and I'm like, "Oh, police department's looked at and approved. That's easy." >> Um, >> it's a good system. >> When you do get the zoning board
decision, it'd be helpful if you uploaded to >> these three just so it's all >> tidy and in one. >> Yep. We'll do. >> All right. We have still no public
comment. Do we have further questions from the board? But I know we do need to go on to a I'm not going to stop us before we go on to uh peer review, but any other questions from the board at this time? >> No. >> No. My question was whether you want a motion about peer review or not.
>> Uh yes, please. >> I move that we uh send this to Graves for peer review. >> Second. >> Um Richard, you're you are our interimm right now. Is that good enough for you or do you need more from us in any specific way?
That's fine. >> Okay, great. Moved and seconded. All in favor? I >> I >> I'm I'm happy to send that, Richard, if you'd like me to facilitate that to ease the burden or if you if you want to do it, however you want to do it.
>> If you can send it, that'd be great. >> Okay, I'll CC all of you. >> From from a logistical practical perspective, >> it's easier for you to do it than >> Yeah. >> me. Okay, that's fine. Maybe if you just follow up with whatever paperwork you
need from uh from Graves >> when you send it >> when you send it to them. I assume you're going to do it electronically. >> Yeah. >> C copy me and >> Yeah, I will. Okay. >> Lean on. >> I uh
>> I think so. Okay. >> I think we did submit the fee, but I guess you know >> that would be the one thing that holds it up and and generally Graves prefers a hard copy for review. Yeah. >> So, if you send it digitally, make sure you're following up with the hard >> Yeah, we'll do. I'll ask him whatever he wants. >> And if we didn't get the fee, we'll make
sure we get it in. I think we filed this when you had no staff in the office. So, I apologize. So, if there's anything you need from us, you know, relative to that, just let me know. We're happy to provide additional copies or whatever you whatever you folks need. >> Great. >> Thank you. Okay. And uh
>> Brian was pulling his hair out trying to do the legal advert. Uh >> yeah, figuratively speaking, uh try to get the uh legal ads down and everything. So >> uh I you know, I haven't said it today
in public, so I will say it again today. Um Brian Jingris is a saint and um Lun the people of Lunenburgg will should be grateful
how much they will never know how important he is in their lives because they don't know because he's been pulling extra and helping out with all of this and that has that prevents the sorts of issues that people notice. Yeah.
>> Um that we are fortunate. >> All right. Um when do you want us to see you next? >> Um well I think that it would be probably uh optimistic to think that we'd get all that stuff done in two
weeks. So >> it's going to be three three weeks. >> Oh, three >> because uh our next meeting we've condensed our two December meetings to one on the 15th. >> Oh, then we better do that if we can. Okay. >> And then if if we for some reason don't
have peerreview comments, maybe we kick the can down to January. But I'd like to keep the if there's a chance, even though it's an outside chance, if there's a chance that that uh Graves can get it done, we'd love to keep him keep have the opportunity. >> Okay. So, I will turn to Oh, Richard. Uh
just looking on on the um open gov I didn't see any indication that the peerreview fee had been paid. >> Okay. Is that a standard fee? That's a standard fee every time or do you estimate it? >> It's a standard fee.
>> I believe it's in in Lunberg is a standard fee. >> Okay. Well, um >> some other communities it's varies each time. >> Okay. Well, you'll have a check tomorrow. >> Great. All right. Um,
and uh, Richard andor Lee, just please uh, do find out from Graves what we expect the turnaround time to be because if um, if Jeff says, "Yeah, I'm not going to get to this until
>> right until after the next meeting, we can >> Yeah, we'll >> we can both let the applicant know as well as make sure it isn't on our next agenda." >> Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, I I I think we need to be kind of blunt. This is Thanksgiving week.
>> Yeah, it's not going to happen. >> It's pro It's very unlikely it's going to happen. >> I agree. But I'd still uh >> it's easier to just continue one meeting and then continue it again than it is to >> have him hanging out there.
>> No, I agree. I I I like to try to not have the extra items on the agenda when we know they weren't happen just for the sake of the public. But this is also in the grand scheme. >> Well, and the other thing that that could be advantageous is to come and at least open the uh flood plane permit.
So, if we could just keep it on, I think that would be good. >> Great. All right. >> And I will get you a continuation letter for uh for the whatever. >> Yes. >> Perfect. Thank you. And then I would look for a motion such as to continue
the this public hearing to our December 15th meeting at 6:05 p.m. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Moved and seconded. All in favor? >> I. >> Thank you very much. >> Happy Thanksgiving.
>> Happy Thanksgiving. Great. Thank you. >> All right. Okay. Um, so I've changed deci on the agenda. We've changed decisions to decisions in business. And this is really just meant
to be where we can put the the paperworky type of aspects of our the things that may need a vote, but they're not um decisions don't. was there tonight. Um the 100 towns and
Harbor Road storm water permit except uh handling a bond for that could but we need to talk about it first. And um that's just where I'm putting these. Once we have a full-time planner, I
suspect our agendas may shift and morph to meet um their working style as well. But for now, it works. And um Richard, I'm going to turn to you and ask because
last I knew, we put this on the agenda so we could talk about it, but last I knew the uh applicant had not gotten back with an estimate. Is that correct? >> I haven't seen anything yet. >> Okay. So that be it it's it's the
standard. They'd like to get their uh certificate of occupancy, but for the building commissioner to sign off, um the storm water needs to be done. Storm water can't be isn't ready yet because we're heading into winter.
>> They can't do the plants until spring. >> Yeah, exactly. So, um but without an estimate from the builder, we don't know what we could do for a bond. So I think it's a I would I believe it's a moot point unless I'm incorrect
>> unless they want to give us well above what reasonable cost to do plantings would be >> and we have no communication from them to that effect either. So um >> say we punt. >> Yeah, I say we're going to punt and if
they come back great. Um, now it came in today, so it is not listed on the agenda, but we do have a decision for 255 Sunny Hill, and that should be fine for us to review again because this
isn't a substantive part of the meeting that is a vote. This is us checking paperwork. We cannot print it tonight for a signature because the printer here is down. So even if we like the decision, we'll have to come and decide.
>> Um I also sent also sent 560 Maltus in as well. >> Yes, >> there's an error on that one. The front page notes 390 Goodrich Street under the uh certificate of decision.
>> Okay, I'll I'll correct that. >> I don't mind signing it with the front page to be corrected. Yeah, >> I'll take care of that. I apologize. >> Yeah, it happens. >> I see I um
Okay. And yeah, I only for my apologies. I only forwarded the um 255 Sunny Hill. I did not forward the mulpus. Um, do you need me to forward that? Oh, we have that here in front of us.
>> Done. Yeah, we have. >> Yeah, thank you. Never mind. That's easier. Great [Applause] comments in case we have technical problems. Got it. Thank you.
[Music] Um, I think now Sunny Hill, we do not have a print copy. Is that correct? >> Correct. >> Okay, >> that's the one that just came in. >> Got it. Understood. Thank you.
And like I said in in the future, please, this is an area I'm going to be weak. So you can feel free when these come in, throw them on the agenda, >> okay, >> for the next meeting. And that way, um, I don't know if it's the way my
computer is putting it up, but in the standard conditions on Sunny Hill, there's a page that has one line of text and then a giant, then it's blank until the next page. So, if we can compress that, it will make it better. It looks
like it's a um attract changes copy. So, I don't know if the changes are accepted if it will then compress it. If not, before you print it, it might be worth trying to do that. >> Mhm. Um I also find that the
um >> Okay. that that the way Outlook open if you're looking in Outlook the way Outlook opens the documents isn't necessary >> which is why I said it might be the way it's displaying also um Tim did not
abstain he was not present for the vote >> he was present when we voted on Sunny Hill >> right >> he could not he abstained well he could not vote on it cuz he hadn't Mullen rule. Mullen rules.
>> I guess I guess we could say Oh, I'm sorry. You're right. Yes, it was the first one. I I looked at the meetings backwards. >> Yep. >> Um on Sunny Hill, I just wanted to note it says the vote was a roll call vote. I
believe that was a >> it was a voice vote. >> A voice vote. And this is super annoying by me, but it would be great if the text were consistent for everybody's name.
>> Yeah, >> it doesn't have any practical effect. It's just one of those things that I look at and it bothers me. >> Understood. >> So, I I know that that's me and I own that, but
Okay. Um, all right. >> Yeah. If I open it on the computer here, it's got that big space, but if I open it here on my phone, it all >> Okay. Yeah. So like it it's probably just Outlook. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> I've had a few of those re I only know cuz I've had a few of those recently where I panicked. I'm like, "What's going?" And then I open it and I go, "Oh, never mind." >> Yeah. I I when I sent it, it didn't have it. And then I just opened it again and now it's got >> I'm opening it out of Outlook, so it's
probably the way that the window is popping up. >> Yeah. The Outlook Word viewer is only so good. It turns out >> all of 365 online is only so good. >> I agree.
>> Uh there is a reason for my personal use I get the big boy version or whatever you call the apps as apps, not as things in my web browser. Grumble, grumble, middle-aged men don't like the world
changing grumble. Um, and um, I sent the u mulus one first because I noted from the public from the meeting record, the gentleman indicated that they were trying to get this ready
before the tax credits expire. >> Yeah. So that with the twin day appeal period that has a uh u urgency to it. >> Um on malpus I again a small thing and I'm comfortable
signing with it getting fixed cuz I don't think it matters. But in the motions and conditions um the motion passed by a vote of four in favor to I think that is a letter O in this font not a zero. Okay.
>> Like I don't even know how much that matters in a practical sense. Um >> yeah, that's definitely an O. >> I >> has been changed. >> Yep. This is where you have to deal with the fact that I did document design for
a living for a long time. So >> that's the same thing as >> Yeah. But we'll we'll sign a a signature page and >> Yeah, we have a sig page and otherwise I think it's fine. So, okay, great. >> Amanda online.
>> Um, I can So, we can just sign one of the signature pages we have here. I have one >> I have one that's not stable. >> I love it. Thank you. If you can pass that down, we will give it >> our um
>> I can pass the pen, too. >> Yeah, please. Blue pen is acceptable, right? >> Yeah. Okay. >> Blue or black? >> That's what I thought. >> Just no purple or red. >> Nope. >> No. The registry does not like red. >> I've got a pen. >> I apologize. I'd hoped to get these last
week, but I was in a place in New Hampshire that for some reason my uh girlfriend's uh net uh server did not like me and every time I tried to log in, it would kick me off. So
>> that's unfortunate. I'm sorry. Yeah, understood completely. Um, and Richard, to be frank, um, multiple of us on the board have worked with you enough to know that if you say
this will be changed, it will be changed and that's not an issue. Um, I've already changed first item that Adam brought up on Malus. >> Yep. Okay. So, Malus, it we've got
and no one else had any other concerns with Sunny Hill other than the vote, I think. So, if we can get into the office and sign that um next week sometime. So, >> office open Wednesday. >> Yes, it is.
Great. All right, then. I think that is all of our decisions and business for tonight. >> If if I can, I just want to make one note >> on Sunny Hill. You'll note you may note that the reference to the appeal process
is different from the past several decisions. past several decisions were quoted the zoning bylaw and not the um section of the uh stormwater bylaw that actually
references the appeal process. >> Thank you. >> Um excellent. Okay, so that is our decisions and business. Um, side note, by the way, I I asked
Brian Jingris because I was curious because as a note on our agenda, the work was all for 100 Towns and Harbor Road. Uh, but in the original approval we did was 100 Towns and Harbor. The
bond would be for 116 Towns and Harbor Road. That because that's going to be the address once assigned and everything. Uh I only bring it up because that made me ask Brian Jingris uh how this works on the back end. And among
the upgrades coming to open gov and this is probably not a surprise to you is the ability to link these addresses to the previous because this one they did an ANR 100 towns in harbor is going to
become multiple street addresses once assigned by building department and so open gov will have the ability to link the new addresses back to the old uh permits and everything for the previous.
>> So that will things are only becoming more linked in a way that will make research easier. And having had to recently go through through some of our files, I guarantee that anything that makes research easier is lovely.
Um all right. and okay board discussions master plan and the I mean the real touch base here and this is easy because
Tim is on the committee and Adam this is what we've already talked about you and I which is just um as we're getting into the home stretch and the master plan steering committee would really like if remember way back
in the fall we looked at that grid that the master plan steering committee gave and um Adam gave some feedback on it, shared it with us and Tim and I, you were aware of it from your part your formal participation on the committee
and my informal participation in the committee. Uh in my informal participation with the committee, not on the committee. Um, so they would like us to
commit because to some of our thoughts because they need to commit to a plan in writing and um I don't want to I certainly don't mean to cut short more discussion in this venue, but by the
same token um Adam's shared a lot of his thoughts. I my voice has been able to be shared plenty in the calls and everything. So, if we're comfy with it, um, and I know that looks like Adam will be joining for
the call next week as well. I'm offering this to the board if there's more we want to talk about on that grid and we can look it up and talk about it. >> But for those who are here, I think we may just be in a good place and not need to do that tonight. But I don't want to
cut us short if we're looking to. >> I think we're in a good spot. >> Yeah, I I think I've shared my feedback on that grid. I'm hoping that in the time since we've submitted feedback that the grid has changed or will change in the
final product because I I won't be comfortable going forward if the the final product reflects what was in that grid. >> Yeah. And um things have changed notably. >> Okay. >> I mean many are many of the goals still
>> are many things still generally the same? Yes. Has wording been tightened? Have things been categorized and put together in a way that makes it more coherent and actually communicates the broader picture? >> Yes. Um, and again, you Adam, you and I
have talked about this, but to say it out loud for the uh community at large, we're it looks like the direction we're going to go, and I think this is a good thing, is a master plan that in the end identifies a lot of goals that the town
has has identified that we've as a community said these are important to us, but also recognizes and will say ways to get there include and will give us options. They're not an exhaustive
list of options because the world is changing and both as we've seen in town recently, our rapid growth and other needs mean that we need to be able to act nimly. In addition, um there isn't
necessarily we haven't as a town come to a consensus on every bit and piece. So having some direction to go then enables us to look at that those goals know ways we can approach and react accordingly and that will that would impact
decisions the planning board makes that will decision m that will impact decisions other boards and committees make because the master plan although it's effectively it is technically a land use document really touches on every aspect of our community through
that lens. All right. Um, I will move us on then unless anyone has anything else. Ab budding community notices. The Fitchburg and normally it's not a big deal. Um, and this still I don't
think really impacts us much but it's here in our paperwork. The Fitchburg Planning Board is looking at their is looking at a zoning change. um [Applause]
uh zoning act to consider amendments to the Fitsburg zoning ordinance for technical revisions that will clarify the special permit and site plan review process and definitions and goes more in putting that on our radar because this
is more than just oh yeah they're they're doing a storm water permit for a new development. I don't think it's going to impact us one bit. It doesn't that's more of an applicant process. >> Yes. >> Sort of thing. >> But um put it in for the sake of
completeness in that case. And otherwise moving forward committee reports, master plan, steering committee. >> Um I don't know that there's much else to add at this point. Um we there was
some presentations made at the town meeting and those all seem to go well. Um the committee is finalizing collecting up all of the uh [Music]
uh input requests that is sent out. Um and hopefully there will be a finished draft uh in the near future. Did they get much input from other boards and committees? >> Um, to my understanding, yes.
>> Um, some committees have had a lot of input. Some have had I mean, some have been in communicado as expected. Um, there's been a push to still try to get info
from them and um, in different committees have expressed different ways. uh capital planning for example a lot of what we talk about was how you know a lot of our answers were you know does this involve your committee yes to
the extent that this is a capital project within our purview >> that it's a capital project but not to the extent necessarily that we're looking at a big debt exclusion or something. So, still good info and they've been
incorporating all of it. All right. Open space committee. Um, I was unable to attend uh the most recent meeting. Um uh going based upon the agenda that I
have um there may have been some discussion in regards to uh item I have here drafting a bylaw and mission statement. Um, I don't know if there has been an actual discussion
about um I'm sure there was the expanding the board and its own uh having it under its own control. >> All right.
Municipal Building Design Committee um continues to meet twice a month and on Mondays opposite playing board effectively and it has been um
work there is progressing fast. That said, nothing is a sure thing yet. Um the committee continues to be very focused on Ritter as the
as I'm informed was the initial charge for this reiteration of the committee uh to focus on Ritter as the new effectively the new town hall. There's been a lot of talk about in in large
agreement about taking the 1960s annex and bulldozing it um because it does not have historic or any other value and instead uh building a new potentially threestory
annex instead in vaguely the same footprint. um on paper and with some estimates that may get that gets us the square footage we need for town offices.
I think there's a lot more discussion to have there. The reason for you look confused, Adam. >> I I I don't look confused. I I >> or >> so it's not the direction that I think that
I would take if one were to ask me what the best way to retrofit that building would be. Not an architect. I haven't been involved so >> I can't say it's wrong. It >> just feels wonky. Um,
my understanding is that end of the building is less expensive to build on than the far end of the building due to grading and everything. >> And um, part of the reason looking at three floors is because two kind of
meets if we did two floors there, it would meet our needs right now. And I have been probably the most vocal person in the group in terms of saying I don't care about right now. I care
about 20 to 50 years from now. >> We have 5 lbs now. We're going to have 10 pounds at some point. >> Yes. Because we are we're not growing at the rate we were a couple years ago, but I'm not convinced we're not going to resume that rate of
growth. And frankly, government is just changing and there are more needs and there's more professionalism and there's more people that are needed to serve the various needs. >> I think that committee has I I could again wax a long time about this about I
think that committee we are moving quickly. I think there's a lot of good ideas coming through. I do think we are simultaneously going at a great clip and I think we are missing some key ideas and inputs we're going to need. >> Parking is going to be the major issue.
There's not enough parking there currently. And if you combine buildings and build a significant three-story addition, you are essentially going to eliminate what reasonable parking there is.
>> And that has been part of the discussion as I'm sure it has just >> and overall the goal for the committee is to get to a point that we haven't rather than engaging a design firm and saying make us something that meets our
needs >> because people weren't really happy with where that landed last time to instead say here's our needs as we understand them. here's the way we think we here's the
way it looks like this is the approach to take please work with this and I would argue that we should also tell them to push back on us where we're wrong >> but to give more guidelines
to hopefully develop something that is going to meet our needs effectively and be more appealing to the town's people as a whole Um I I will say that
there is a lot and this is more for the sake of the town's people out there. There's a lot of thought being not so much thought but there is an absolute intent uh there is the real intention to make sure that whatever is built meshes
well with Ritter and makes a cohesive with the original Ritter and makes a cohesive structure that can honor that building's history and be um a pleasant focal point for downtown.
Again, I don't know that I I think I'm still on team. We shouldn't have town offices in the center of town. But there's also a a school of thought that putting a completely contrasting style of building
emphasizes the historic nature of the original building and can not detract from it, but rather enhance it and elevate it. You want to see a great example of that, by the way, go see Quincy City Hall. Um, fantastic. I don't
know if you're familiar with Oh, >> fant. They've got the giant the original city hall is a big granite colonial building >> and then um built off of it is the large
modern glass and steel. And so that juxiposition highlights both the historic character and really makes it visually clear what is historic and what is modern. Um, >> now I think there's a lot more
discussions to have on that committee. And I bring it up here because I think in more detail because I think we need to be having lots of conversations about this at every step as a town as a whole. Um, so no one's surprised when something
comes to town meeting eventually. Capital Planning Committee continues to meet. We are going to probably with the town manager's understanding and blessing, we're going to go past the new year in terms of getting everything together. That date of everything must
be submitted before the end of the year isn't really a true necessity. It was a matter of contrivance and a roughly good date. But the the money situation in the town being
what it is from the prof and I don't mean that sounds scarier than I mean I mean in terms of having our profession having professionals who can do the books and everything. Um us being behind on that means we're going to move it a little bit later as we go. It won't be a
big deal for the town otherwise. Economic Development Committee has not met since our last meeting because their meeting was going to be uh the same day as special town meeting. We'll be meeting in December. I forget. We're going to have some guest people come in. I can't remember what is off
the top of my head. I do want there has been some talk on that committee though for um helping do ribbon cutting ceremonies for new businesses opening which I think could be great. Uh we do have new businesses opening in town
pretty frequently these days and it's nice to give them that option as well as highlight to the community as a whole that we do have businesses coming to Lunberg >> stormwater task force.
Uh we postponed our November meeting um until we could get through uh the special town meeting and uh get uh the funding we required for the new
uh consultant. Um we got approved at special town meeting. We'll have our next meeting uh very beginning of December. Um and we will continue on from there. Great. Amanda is not here for Montichus
Regional Planning Commission or Montichus Joint Transportation Committee. Minutes approval. Uh we do not have any minutes to approve at this time. Um Lee is aware of the backlog and we'll be getting to it, but she has been in
the office 5 days, including today. So I I think we can be uh understanding on that front. >> Thank you. Um, meeting schedule. As always, our board
meets at 6:00 p.m. at the Bada meeting room upstairs at town hall. I do want to call out our usual cadence would put our next meeting on Monday, December 8th. However, since we're not going to meet on the 22nd of December, we decided to
combine both meetings. Our next meeting of this board is on Monday, December 15th at 6 PM. After that, we'll be meeting on January 5th and January 19th
at our usual cadence. All right. Uh it's likely I won't be available on the 5th. >> Okay. Good to know. Thank you, sir. Um board, any comment from the board? Nope.
Well, >> okay. >> Thank you, >> Richard. Do you have anything else for us before we sign off tonight? >> Not really. I just want to say I I'm glad y'all decided to meet on the 15th and not the 22nd. I've got
I have two private projects before planning board that decided they're going to meet on the 22nd. I am >> I I was shocked by >> I am so sorry. And Adam, I do remember the year we met
after between Christmas and New Year's. >> Yes. >> And it was you, me, and Matt Allison in that Zoom call and everyone else who said they were going to be there, >> didn't show up, >> insisted we needed that meeting. Yep. >> That was my first year on the board and
uh here we are now. All right. I would look for a mo a motion to adjurnn. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Moved and seconded. All in favor? >> I >> I. Friends, it is 7:20. Thank you for joining us again. This is your planning
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