So great. >> Uh okay. Good evening everyone. This is uh it is Wednesday, November 19th at 700 p.m. and this is a Zoom uh virtual meeting uh of
the Lunberg Capital Planning Committee uh in accordance with the requirements of the open meeting law. Please be advised that this meeting is being recorded and will be able to be found on the Lunberg Access YouTube channel after the meeting. Um the coordinates for the
Zoom meeting and the dialin are posted on the agenda uh which is available at uh the Lunberg Town website and at town hall and other posting locations. Um, we are also using um the AI transcriber tonight, which I think is a first for a
capital planning meeting, but I was advised to do so uh given our challenges with minutes. Um, the agenda lists all the topics which may be discussed at the meeting and are those reasonably anticipated by the chair. Votes may be taken as a result of these discussions.
Not all items listed may in fact be discussed and other items not listed may also be brought up for discussion to the extent permitted by open meeting law. Uh I am calling the meeting to order and moving directly to public comment. Is
there any public comment? just just briefly >> a after last night's meeting I I just wanted to express my displeasure is maybe not the right word but
I'm not I'm not happy with rating the capital plan as a funding source and I I understand that these particular projects might not have gone forward but it just it makes me wonder what we're
doing here. We spend a lot of time debating these projects, deciding what is going to be done and not done, and then we lose control and some of them are done, some of them are not done, and I I just don't like it being used as a
funding source. >> Can Can I respond to that a little bit? >> Yeah, sure. >> Yep. So, I I I recognize that and it I I want to be clear on something that I think may may or may not be lost on folks in this room, but certainly is is
I think lost on the the larger public here. Once we fund a capital plan at town meeting, we are authorized to only do the projects under that under that list. But and then if we are
moving money from one project to another or one one one thing one expenditure to another we require town meeting authorization to do that. But to return excess like one of those to return
excess or to decide not to go forward with the project and just return that funding back to free cash that requires no authorization. So we actually often so if you looked at those funding
sources um from the FY22 capital um there's two ways that you clean up old capital pro old capital that's unexpended. So there were three projects in there that were unexpended um had remaining funds and then projects
that weren't going forward. you can reappropriate that money to another another project or you can close that money out to free cash. So to just simply close those projects out though
does not require any any decision of town meeting. >> Right. And then it would just flow to free cash. >> Exactly. So that's why so that's why you know where those projects if let's say it like this. If last night didn't happen, it would be
very likely that those FY22 accounts would be closed out to free cash anyways. >> It just would have to then flow through the free cash process. >> Yep. >> We also um and we can put a bow on this,
but we do have um quite a bit of of recent precedent uh for uh transferring uh transferring unexpended capital into various budgetary items. I'm getting a
call from Chris Manard, so I'm going to take this for just a second. >> Okay. >> Hey, Chris. Oh, I'm not getting a notification. Um let me look. >> Yeah, on the wrong link. >> Yeah, you're on the wrong We sent out a revised agenda earlier today with a
different Zoom. So, I'm not seeing you in a in a waiting room, >> but we are all on the uh >> on the thing. >> You want to just tell them what the meeting ID is? >> I've got it right here if you need it.
>> I did, but I can give you the meeting ID. It's posted on the website, too. Okay. All right. Good. There he is. All right. Do a full panel. Hi, Chris. Sorry about
the snafu. >> Oh, that's okay. >> Okay. We are in public comment. Um, and we've just talked a little bit about allocating unexpended capital. I won't walk you through it. Um, but it was a nice chat. Uh, do you have any public
comment? >> Okay, we will move on. Uh, chair's report. Um, I apologize to those of you who had to deal with uh my
displeasure uh with the uh posting of or lack of posting of last week's meeting. Um it's just a continuing theme I think for me for the the fall of 25 uh and the overall difficulty in terms of
scheduling both meeting space and Zooms uh for meetings and the additional um challenges of both town meeting uh town hall hours uh and availability and obviously the challenges of holidays and
the open meeting law. Um it's just one thing after another and when you're trying to administer an ad hoc committee um that does not meet regularly um we are out of sight and out of mind I think uh frequently for at least one
office in town and that is why we did not have a meeting last week. Um looking forward um tonight's meeting um with Mr. Ruth from the facilities department uh will represent the last of our scheduled
presentations um for capital requests. Uh however, a couple of things have occurred over the course of the last several weeks since we began uh listening to these presentations starting with the school
department uh in midocctober. Um I was contacted by the superintendent almost immediately following that meeting. Um first with an apology that the quality of the overall uh
presentation was not to her liking. Uh and I gladly accepted her apology. Um but also with some concerns uh around the accuracy of some of the quotes and numbers that were being presented. um as
well as some additional topics that have been brought to her attention even in the ensuing days since she uh since they presented. Um, I attended a meeting last Friday um with a couple of school committee members and the superintendent and the
facilities director and the finance director uh of the schools and they informed me that on tonight's school committee agenda um they are seeking to redisuss their capital plan request and
um may in fact be looking to come back to us um with some revised requests. uh and that is obviously subject to uh the decision of the the school committee uh this evening. Also um there has been at least one
meeting and there is another meeting scheduled for tomorrow morning uh pertaining to the track and field facility. Uh and that is certainly going down the path that I had expected um when we last discussed this several meetings ago. um that hopefully it will
come to some sort of town meeting action in the spring. Um but it is not in a it is not able to be brought forth as part of this capital planning process that we are currently in. Uh it's just
too complex and too slow. Um and so what is likely to occur uh I think is that the school department will engage us and the town uh in the leadup to town meeting um with potentially a separate
proposal uh and a separate article. Um again we are very early stages still on that in terms of how that is likely to come to bear. Um, I've kind of stuck to my to my characterization of this, which
is I do think that it is in scope for capital planning and the capital planning committee needs to be a part of this, but it doesn't necessarily need to rigidly follow our annual capital planning process. Uh, and that we need to have some flexibility based on the
situation on the ground, which is a lot of personnel turnover. um and a um and a facility that is uh not holding up. Um so I just want to first inform everybody um of that and kind of how
that has gone down over the course of um the last several weeks. Um, with that in mind, what I would like to kind of propose and and you know, potentially just open it up to discussion,
um, is how we're going to come at this and maybe try to stick the landing uh, for a recommendation uh, in the month of December. Um where where my head currently is on
this um is that with next week being Thanksgiving week uh I think a meeting is unlikely um which if we stick to what we have been doing over the course of the last
uh several weeks when we have been able to meet um we have potentially available dates on the 3rd of December, the 10th of December nomber and the 17th of December. Um and if you know folks are not available then you know please take a look at your calendars and let me
know. Um but my hope is to kind of rally around those three dates. Um on the 3rd of December um I'm hoping to do a sort of rollup of everything that's been requested. um a discussion, an open
discussion and uh potential questions for the town manager that we may want to um either submit in advance and she can get answers to or uh submit then and she can follow up and and and get back to us um asynchronously. Um but I I think that there are probably
some questions brewing about any or all of the the proposals that we've gotten that we do need to take a moment to kind of pause and follow up on. Um, and I think the third would be a good date for that as well as reserving time for the school department to come back if they
need to do so. Um, and then I will have at that point a draft of what I believe will be going into that meeting. Um, a list of FY27 requests. Um, and
the idea would be that we would release those to the committee at that point. um come back the following week, ideally sending me your priority lists a day in advance so that I can compile them and we can have a conversation about it on
the 10th um and potentially approve um but also potentially not approve and hold the 17th as a potential cleanup date. Um so I wanted to just kind of float that out there today and see what
people thought about that. Um, obviously on some of those days or all of those days, we're going to have to have conversations about what we're going to do in January, February, March, and you know, as the budget begins to unfold, to what degree we want to uh engage. Um,
obviously there'll be a likely additional school department item that we'll have to tend to. Um and then we also, you know, had agreed as a committee, um that we were going to take a look at the outy years and provide some guidance to the department heads on the outy years as well. Um which we can
certainly take the time to do that once our primary goal of this priorities list in December is complete. So with that, I will shut up for a minute and and entertain any questions or comments. Madame Town Manager.
>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I I don't know if I have a wrinkle or not, but um we do not have a anticipated date of when we're going to have free cash certified to know what we're working with for available funds. And I don't know how
much of the funding availability goes into the calculus of the prioritization of the list or if it's just simply a prioritization. Yeah, that's a great question, Madam Town Manager. From my perspective, our task is predominantly this
prioritization list. Um, we certainly want to be informed uh in terms of where the winds are blowing with respect to funding. Uh and that has by the way that has at least been a trend in the past where the
previous interim town manager and the previous your predecessor um did kind of give us a all right this is how it's looking this is how it's feeling. We might draw the line at a million dollars or whatever the number was. Um but then obviously during the budget process that
that line moves uh and and ultimately it's your proposal and your plan. it's not the capital planning committee's plan at at the end of the day. So, um I don't think that that should slow us down in terms of sticking the landing for our um charter uh requirement. Um
but what it may do is cause us to need to be, you know, in regular communication as those numbers become more apparent. >> I I use that as part of my prioritization. So,
I mean, and honestly, like having this nailed down in December to me is fairly arbitrary because we don't really pick it up and deal with it until about March or April in the finance process anyway. So, I'd rather come out with a a good
capital plan list that is thorough and everything else than rushing, you know, through to get it in place in December. But, you know, it's just, you know, my opinion and, you know, the chair of the finance committee's view of the world. Um,
>> look, I'm actually quite malleable on this one. Um, but but I do think we do need to be respectful of the charter. Um, which does say that we need to report out by, you know, effectively end of year. Um, just for everybody and the
town manager and I did this on the phone uh a few weeks ago, kind of looking at the charter, it's all stipulated in numbers of days, which is a little irritating, but um suffice to say what what the requirements basically are from the charter is we report out in
December. The town manager has a number of things that she needs to do in January, fiscal forecast amongst other things. this should inform the fiscal forecast or this whole process should inform the fiscal forecast. Um and then
her capital plan I believe is due right around the 1st of February. Um so again to your point Chris and I entirely agree there's what the charter says and the way we actually do it and and how we are uh affected by the numbers as they be
they become available during the budgeting process. Um, given all of the challenges that we have dealt with this year, I am not against pushing a recommendation into January. Um, but I
>> Yeah. And I don't I guess I don't even mind if it's like a preliminary list that we come out in December with, but I actually like the fact that we got back together um during the budget cycle last year as things evolved. you know, we didn't we weren't saying, "Hey, you
know, we did our job and we're done." Well, I don't think we were done. We had new information come to light and we we dealt with it as as things uh kind of emerged. So, I think that that was a good thing, not a >> Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you there.
Yeah. Yeah. Um any thoughts? Any other thoughts from >> from from my perspective? the the amount available to fund it is is a part of it. But I guess I look at it as in the best of all possible worlds, we'd fund the
whole thing and our job is kind of to prioritize everything. At some point, somebody's going to draw a line in the sand and some things are going to be left off. I guess in the margins when that happens, depending on where that
line falls, it might cause me to do some minor rethinking of some of my priorities, but I I think we should come up with a preliminary list in December. It's never set in stone. We can always vote to
revisit it or change it, but at least we have a a a guidepost at that point. Mr. Dolo, Mr. Brener. >> Uh, ditto effectively. Yes. >> Yeah. Same here. And sounds good to me. >> Okay. I I think one other thing that we
haven't necessarily considered in the past, but we should is funding sources. Um, you know, so maybe DPW we say, hey, we should we this is necessary. It's kind of below the line, but we could we could use chapter 90 funding for it. So
maybe we need to put it above the line because it's an alternative funding source for something. Um, so we've never kind of brought that dynamic into things, but I always wondered why we we didn't or borrowing, right? Maybe we should do borrowing on this,
>> you know? So >> look, I I completely agree and but I I do I I do think that, you know, obviously this is the town manager show and we need to advise her as these things I think come around, but it needs
to be an open discussion. Um but I I tend to agree. I also think, you know, frankly, the finance committee has a lot to say in this as well, particularly when it comes to funding sources. So, >> yep. >> Yeah. I I think that I am open to hearing as many perspectives and ideas
as can be provided. I think, you know, as I stated kind of before we started this meeting, Mr. Bowen last evening, you know, had a great idea that was at least worthy of some consideration that hadn't even crossed my mind, right? So I think that hearing different
perspectives and ideas absolutely 100% in my opinion can be under this the purview in charge and and is helpful frankly. >> Right. So I I think what I'm hearing is is that at a at a high level, at least looking
out as far as mid December, we all sort of agree to the work plan, I think we're we're we're probably not quite as uh as hardlined as my initial um uh plan was is in terms of the
finality of our recommendation. Um it's a we will call it a initial uh recommendation subject to further information that we may want to consider in the month of January or something like that. >> Yeah. The only the one wrinkle I have personally is that that the 10th um I am
not available. I'm not available that week. >> Okay. Um Okay. So maybe we should plan that we still meet on the 10th but our vote is on the 17th. >> Yeah. And again, if if Tanya can kind of
cover for me and, you know, maybe she becomes the next CPC, you know, person or something. But, uh, >> um, and again, can't vote, I guess. >> Yeah. But but but you know if you or or you know assuming that we do get out a
spreadsheet on the 3 with a a list that we can you know kind of prioritize from maybe you and she can consult on that and either of you could submit it to me the week of the 10th regardless of where you are physically Chris. >> Yeah. Yeah. It may be a picture with
handwriting on it if you can bear with me. But >> I'm flexible. It's all good. All good. I can take it over the phone. Whatever. All right. Um All right. So, I don't want to belabor this. I I think we go with that plan for now until it changes.
>> Um I will also do my darnest to get a physical me meetings in place for December. um despite the challen I I don't have a I was very preferential to physical in-person meetings until this year um when it became extremely
difficult for me personally but um I think it's still my my general preference to try to meet in person. Okay. Um with that is there any other uh commentary on this? Uh if not, I will move to the town manager report if she
has one. No report. >> No report. >> Uh so then I will then go to Mr. Ruth. >> All righty. Um >> I'm going to um we can work from my machine here, Mr.
Ruth, if you want. >> That's fine. Um, I tested this before we started and I need to test it again because I took it all down while we were talking. How's that? Can you all see my screen? >> I see a black screen.
>> There we go. >> All right. You can see it. >> Yep. >> Perfect. >> All right. >> All right. Well, Peter, we can skip by the title here. That one's not all that important. Um, I think unless you guys want me to
run through all this, we can skip through these kind of just information slides here. >> I think you guys kind of this this group knows the drill at this point. >> So, we've got facilities, parks, >> yep, >> and here's the overview.
>> Yep. So, if you can go down to the next page, that should be the agenda here. I have it printed in front of me, but I'm missing some of the slides. Uh, all right. Hang on a second. I have uh There we go. The uh zoom was in the way.
Um so this is just a summary of what's on the um FY27 list. Um the two that are highlighted are I was hoping to combine into the the same project. I got pricing on the boilers, but I'm waiting on some numbers for the oil fire unit heaters.
So I'll have to follow up with that. That's why those are highlighted. Um, if you jump to the next slide once you're ready. >> Yep, I'm there. >> So, this is my list of FY28 through 29.
And yeah, that's all there. Um, the only one I really want to point out on this one that, um, will be a big discussion is that big 1.4 4 million at the bottom and that's for re- roofing the section of TCP that is um not being
decommissioned. So I just wanted to make sure you guys saw that number and understood it was there and because that's that's a big one. >> Mr. Chairman, can I just jump in on that? >> Sure. >> So um just to put a little bit of a finer point on that, there was $325,000
that or 300,000. Chris, did I make up the 20 five? Yeah. 300 >> $300,000 um in uh prior year capital to do um the TCP roof. Um that was for the section that has been decommissioned. Um
I had Chris kind of do a calculation to see if it made sense to take that $300,000 and move it to another section of TCP. And um he can talk about more of that in detail at a later time if folks are interested, but it just was not going to
make sense and would lead to a patchwork job on the roof. So that is a pretty big number for a a very leaky building, but we're we need to start making some decisions around the future of that building a little bit quicker because that's a big number
>> indeed. Also on this chart, I don't know why um that TCP roof line um is showing 40,000 in 2029. That must have just copied from the cell above. >> I'm sorry. Can you say that again? >> Um if you follow the TCP roof line
across to F uh 29, it says $40,000. It shouldn't say that. >> Oh, okay. So, that was just a errand. >> Yeah, it must it must have copied the line above it. >> Okay. Um, if I could just ask you on the I think you I think you shared me a SharePoint
version. If you could just correct that because we're going to transcribe this stuff. >> Yep. I will um I will fix that one. >> Okay. Um, >> okay. I think I got it here. All righty. Um, if you jump to the next
slide here, it's just it's looking these ones are just looking further out. And as I'm sure you guys know, these things tend to be moving targets. Some of these are ones that were before my time, we've done our best to clean up. Some of them that we didn't need, but um, you know, the ones once we start
getting this far out, we're some of it's a guess to be honest. You know, I have the library roof scheduled, but the library roof's holding up pretty good, so maybe we can push that out. that type of thing. >> Mhm. >> So, >> okay. >> You don't have anything in here anymore
for Brooks, do you? >> Nope. Nope. We We pulled all that stuff out. >> So, it's totally out of the 10-year plan >> at this point. Yeah. I mean, until someone comes up with a plan for the building, I just I couldn't justify spending any money there.
>> Yeah. No, I I I I think that's the right thing. >> Do we um I'm looking at the uh I know it's way out, but the the exterior doors on the town hall. Um does that have any sort of
triggering for any kind of ADA because I know that we've got sort of a long-standing issue with the front door, front entry of that building. Um, it it probably will. And I believe it also has to go in front of I think anything on the exterior of that building really would have to go in front of historic as
well >> or APC. >> Yeah. My my understanding for from our uh town clerk historian there is at one point a car crashed into the building and those front doors were replaced and made smaller. We had a hard time finding
any hardware that would even fit the doors because they're a weird size. I think at the very least though we might have to add railings as well. >> Okay. So, this could be a this could be the beginning of a really big project if we
>> it could be, you know, hopefully the building design committee has a solution long before we get there. And this will come off of this list and be rolled into something else. But, okay, >> we're doing our best. Okay. >> All right.
All right, you can jump through the next one here. Um, go ahead and jump. Um, this one we kind of already looked at. So, if you want to skip past this one, we get started on the the first actual project here. >> Why are the Why do you have the boiler in red?
>> That's That's the one I'm still waiting on the number for the So, we wanted to do the boiler and there's two unit heaters on the fire side that are non-stop issues. So, we wanted to roll all those together because they're all kind of connected to the same oil line system, but I'm waiting on the number
for the oil fire heaters. >> Okay, >> Chris, how good are these estimates? >> Um, most of them are pretty good. The only one that's uh I would say the parks one is using some variable quotes. Um, but without
having the engineering known, I won't know how many yards of dirt we need. Um, and then the boiler upgrades and waiting on numbers. Other than that, they're all pretty pretty tight. >> Okay. And the field improvements would include new infields,
you know, gravel clay or whatever you >> have a slide on it coming. Right. We're going to go in. >> Okay. >> The Chris, I guess what I'm just to kind of double down on Chris's question. When are you going to have like numbers that we can rely on particularly for the
boiler? >> Um, that's a fantastic question. The guy who owed me the numbers was on vacation the last week and a half or so and I went on vacation next week. So, it'll be sometime after that. >> Okay. Like maybe the 3rd of December.
>> I will hopefully have some numbers by then. He was waiting on the manufacturer to get back to him. So, it's, you know, three levels down the chain there to get the actual answer. >> Okay. Um, and then are these in a any priority from your perspective?
>> Um, from my perspective, the public safety roof is top priority. Um, the public safety controls upgrade is very high. Um, the boiler upgrades are significantly higher than the oil fired heaters. We could deal with those if we
had to, but um anyone that works in the public safety building can tell you the boilers have been a nightmare this year. >> Okay. >> Can I just speak to that a little bit because I think well, you know what, Chris, if you're going to get into the slides, that's what I was going to say. >> This was it was basically a yes or no
answer. Are these in priority order or not? But we we do need >> we do need a priority list from you as well, Chris. If you could >> Yep, I can do that. the follow just kind of give it to us in in in >> Can can I ask just one other question and maybe you handled this before but
are you putting contingency on every bid as well? Are you putting like >> Yeah, I have this a Chris or Jen question. >> I have 10% on all these because some of the numbers are you know I took cost per square foot from last year type of thing but I typically put 10% on everything
just in case. >> Okay. And Jen, is that pretty or maybe Peter, you know, is that been consistent across all the >> It actually has not been and we probably want to go back and double check with all of the department heads as to whether there's contingency included and
whether we collectively believe a particular thing needs a contingency or not. For example, the vehicle that we have a hard quote on it is what it is. But, you know, a major infrastructure project maybe not. Um, I actually got a very similar question from a school
committee member tonight. Um, and I told her that start with the number and then we can have a conversation about grossing it up or whatever, but let's get an accurate quote first. So, >> and and Peter, I believe I sent over to you my backup sheets. >> Yeah, all of it right in there.
>> They were distributed to the committee. Yep. Yep. Okay, let's go. >> All right. So, um, this one's pretty much top of my list at this point. Um, this is replacing the roof in its entirety for the public safety building.
Um, that includes the shingled roof that covers, I guess, the fire offices and the entire police side and then as well as the rubber roof over the fire garage. And there's, um, there's a small like carport out back that's rubber roofs over the police cruisers as well. Um,
the all the roofing is original to the building at this point. Um, this year we've had quite a few leaks once the uh the drought ended and the rain started again. Um, you can see from the pictures here that those are shingles that are in the sun and not
getting mold. They're they're just falling apart. So, it's it's definitely time there. Um, the rubber roof hasn't been leaking bad yet, but you know, when I go up there, if you rub your hands on the on the rubber, your hands turn black instantly, which is the telltale sign that the oils have come out of the
rubber and it's starting to crack and it's it's ready to fail. Um, pricing for this one I put together using the cost per square foot numbers from um, town hall roof and the DPW roof that we did last year. And like I did
mention, I stuck a contingency on that just for escalation and any possible misses there. >> Okay. Um, stinks that we're replacing a roof on a
20-y old building. >> I'd hope we don't get to the TCP plan where the 20-y year roof is at 40 years. Yeah. Yeah. >> But, you know, as these roofs leak in the the finished spaces, you know, every
drip cost us the patch money and then the repairs inside and can lead to mold and all kinds of stuff. >> So, this is one of those areas that I know exactly enough to be pretty dangerous. Um, and I recognize that, but I thought it was common for the
architectural shingles to have. Now, I'm not questioning. I can see the pictures. I I get the need. Um but I just thought architectural shingles had closer to a 30-year life expectancy normally. >> Um so when you buy the shingles, it all really depends on how you specify it.
There's 20s, 25s, and 30s. >> Okay? >> And it really goes by the weight of the shingle. Um what I've been doing with um at least town hall and senior center, the two roofs I've done so far is I'm specifying 100% grow grace ice and water shield. And with that, I'll be long dead
before these roofs leak again. The shingles could all blow off and they still won't leak. So, and it's it's not a huge cost in grease to do that. So, it's it seems to be working well. >> Love it. Like I said, not not questioning the need in this case. I was
just surprised going those are architectural. I thought they were longer. Great. Thank you. >> Yeah. You know, if you don't specify which ones you want and 20 years ago, the 30s weren't as common. up. >> Okay, >> Chris, can you explain what that 100% ice and water shield coverage is? Is
that a layer that goes under them or is that >> Okay, so it's it's like a peel and stick rubber and it's it's typically specified for 3 to six feet up on the eaves depending on the pitch because that's where you get your ice dams. Um, it's one of those things that
there's a lot of people make the product. The one I specify is the the best out there. And I could strip all the shingles off this thing tomorrow, put Grace and water shield on it and no shingles and it wouldn't leak all winter. It's it's basically a rubberized coating over the whole roof. Then you
put the shingles over it. Self seals around the nails. It's It's pretty impressive stuff. Anyone else? All right, moving on. All righty, on to the next one here. So, I had this one kind of as a a medium priority. Um, but in the grand scheme of
things, you guys may kick it down a little bit. Um, but I want to say a year or so ago, we replaced all the carpets in the public safety building, but that was, you know, offices, bunk rooms, we didn't touch any of the hallways. Um, so all hallways have VCT.
And as you can see from the pictures here, it's um it's seen better days. I mean, is that pretty much across all of the the floors, or is that just like two good pictures? >> Um, so that's on the second floor, which is the the worst section of it. Um, some
of that may have to do with the fact that it was, you know, over a wood floor, which has a little more movement than the concrete floor downstairs. Um, but there's there's quite a few spots downstairs where it's you can see the tiles are starting to pop. It's harder to see in pictures, but you know, every time you have a leak and the water gets
under there, it's uh they start loosening up and curling up at the edges. And um we did this year increase the amount of um we have Cintas that does the monthly walk-off mats to try to prolong this a little bit so you know
through the winter they're not dragging as much salt and mud and stuff in. >> But we have mats over these in the winter. Is that what is that? >> Um ju just at the door at the main entrances. So >> Okay. Not down the runs. Okay. >> Yeah. And this uh this pricing came from cost
per square foot numbers from when we did the carpet plus, you know, that was a year or so ago, so we put the 10% on it. But the you know, luckily in the hallways there's less furniture to move. You know, we have some washing machines and tables and stuff downstairs, but it's a little less intensive than moving
everyone's desk to put carpet under it. Okay. >> All right. This one is um for the the headend controller at the public safety building. Um this controls the heat and AC in the entire building.
And anyone that you know that works in there will tell you it's always a problem. Um the system that's there right now was original to the building. Um we're constantly having to get back into it to maintain it. You know, we had all kinds of boiler issues and it took a while to figure out if it was the
controls not talking to them correctly and all that type of stuff. The system's also proprietary and parts are becoming very hard to come by. Um but this one would be replacing the headend unit only. The wiring and the the controls on
each unit. um we can kind of repair as we go if you know something breaks. Um the I I never ever thought I'd ever even talk about these kinds of units until I got into volunteering for committees and
we ran into a an issue with a an electrical panel I want to say at the primary school. Uh no, it was Turkey Hill. uh a few years ago um was a fire panel actually. Um and
what I came to learn was that all of these you know industrial and commercial building systems um have you know a sort of forced obsolescence period of about 5 to 10 years and the
manufacturer stops making the old thing the parts become hard to come by and you got to buy the new thing and it's really expensive. Um, what happened with the the uh the Turkey Hill panel that we bought was we
actually were able to find a new old stock panel on eBay uh for an extremely reasonable price and we're just able to do a one for one swap and kind of get on with life. Um, and and I I guess that's the question that
I'm I'm kind of leading into here is, you know, would we be better off to keep our eyes peeled for a replacement of the old tech rather than upgrading to the new tech? At least when
it comes to something like a panel. Um, for this one, the the fact that it's a proprietary is really the biggest issue because it's, you know, panels that aren't, you can kind of mix and match parts. Um, you know, as you see these, especially with the school, if
you ever see the word simplex, run and hide because it means you can only use Johnson controls to work on it and the parts are a pain in the ass and you can't get them from anybody else. And for whatever reason, lots and lots of public buildings specified simplex stuff
between fire alarms and this and it's they're always a nightmare because you're you're locked into one contractor and you just there's nothing you can do. Okay. And when you say a proprietary system, you mean this thing was pieced together by the the contractor who put
in the system. >> Oh, no. Simplex supplied all the parts. But you can't you can't go and put a Honeywell part on this. It all has to come from Simplex. Um like fire alarm panels for instance, Simplex makes one. It's all their parts only. When Honeywell makes it, you can mix and
match >> all different kinds of stuff and it's I I just anytime there's anything proprietary, I shy away from it very much because it locks you into >> their program and that's it. >> Okay, that's helpful. Thank you.
>> Chris, do we have do we have these? You know, we probably have these across all our buildings. Do do we have these kind of all coded into the plan as to when the they're all going to have to be replaced? >> So, at the moment, the only buildings
that have well, I guess there's three of them. So, the public safety building and the library both have these. Um, last year we put some money on for the design for the library um because that one's a more complicated system. Um, and the other one that has a control system on
it right now, surprisingly, is TCP, but nobody can even communicate with the computer system because it is running off of is either Windows 2000 or Windows XP and nobody has a laptop left that can actually talk to it.
I guess my question though is is for all those things, are they coded into the the 10-year plan, the 20-year plan, whatever? Like, do we know when we're going to have to do these? >> Um, yeah, I have them for these two buildings and the TCP one we may have to do just because we can't control the
boiler over there. Um, the rest of the buildings don't have it. It's really just thermostats. So, you know, we have unit replacement in there, but not it's all local control. If we were to do a whole building renovation, we would upgrade to this, but >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Got it. >> We're on the boiler. Chris, you're muted. >> Yeah. There we go. Sorry about that. Um, so the boilers, um, for whatever reason,
when the building was built, they decided oil was a great idea, which is a pain to be put it nicely. Um, so the current system, these boilers are 20 years old. Um, we had a time over the summer where we had to stop by every
morning and restart the boilers manually because we couldn't get them to stay on, which, um, the firefighters really love when they come back from a call and jump into a cold shower. Um, this system runs the heat and the hot water for the building. Um, so the
estimate you see here at the 115 is replacing both boilers in their entirety. Um, we had talked about replacing only the burners as an option. Um, you know, because boilers are typically just a big hunk of cast iron. Um, that being said, digging through
some old files from my predecessors, I re I found out that the burners have already been replaced in 2008 and they're failing again. Um, it is an option to replace just the burners again for significantly less money, but that's going to, you know, we could do all that
work and have a crack in the boiler we didn't know about and then still have to do this. Um, mixed in with this. Let me just double check so I don't speak out of turn. Um, we also have the new oil transfer pumps which you can kind of see uh next to the
blue bin there. Um, there is a 30,000galon tank underground and they they pump up out of it and you can't really see it in the picture, but there's actually a tray under that full of diesel fuel because it's they leak. So, it would include replacing all that
pump system as well. >> Okay, here's where I was starting to jump in prematurely earlier, Mr. Mr. Chairman, so um I I hear that Chris has said that firefighters um have come home
and to that to that barn and had to take a cold shower. I want to put a little finer point on that. So from a management perspective, I have had um more than one grievance surrounding this issue because this isn't a matter of somebody was out um and they got sweaty
at a workout and they wanted to take a warm shower. They need these showers as part of their job to decontaminate after they've been on certain types of calls. So, this is a safety issue for the staff. >> Chris, can you talk a little bit more
about the burner versus the boiler? Um, >> yeah. So the the burner is >> just again I'm I'm a little flabbergasted not just not only from the price tag but you know my residential boiler which is I think pushing 20 years
old and I have it serviced annually. The guy comes every year and says yeah you're going to need a new burner at some point but that boiler is going to last you probably your lifetime. Right. So I I'm you say well it could have a crack. Well, my head could have a crack,
but you know, like I I I just I don't I'm I'm having a hard time here with going with the higherend approach just because of its age. Do we know that that thing is really that tired or or are we just like, if we're going to do it, we might as well do the whole thing.
>> So, um I don't know if you can see in the picture, there's actually two of these boilers. Um it's part of the reason the cost is so high. There's there's a lead lag system on it. Um the we start I started out thinking let's just do the burners because it's significantly cheaper. Um the
recommendations of our contractor is to not do it that way. And I understand contractors obviously want to make some more money. Um but that being said, I would hate to spend money, do it, and then have a boiler go back down. As it is, the work on this is going to be
difficult because of it's a 247 building. It's not like we can shut it down. Um, that being said, if this was a natural gas boiler, I would probably not be recommending it because they burn so much cleaner. But where this thing's been running off of oil for all these years, we had an issue last year where
we got some bofuel dumped into the tank and um it caused a bunch of sludge to break loose. Like we were pulling snakes out of the lines. So, what's actually inside these things is is anyone's guess. Um,
my recommendation is let's put two new boilers and be done with it and not worry about it where it's it's life safety. You know, this isn't the library that can just close. This is our police and fire departments that need to operate no matter what. So, we did look at it, but my recommendation is
replacement full. >> Can you explain a little bit more about you mentioned a diesel fuel trailer and and and a and a the pump system? um you opened with you wouldn't have put in oil. Um can you can you explain a little bit
more there? >> So my understanding when they built this building and I don't know anyone who was on that committee but they were told it was going to be 40 grand to extend the gas line to the building and someone thought that was too much money 20 years ago and decided to put an oil tank in.
And heating a commercial building off of oil is the only time I've ever seen a building this size off of oil. It's It's total insanity to me. >> I you know I guess why what I'm asking here is is why are we putting another
oil burner? Like what you tell me we should do it right, but you're kind of telling me that we're not going to do it right. >> Um there isn't really an option to change it. I had talked to the chiefs about the potential of um switching to a propane system in lie of this and um
apparently there are concerns of terrorism attacks of having a propane tank outside the building because it's an easy target. >> I get a flyer every other month from UNIL trying to get me to convert to natural gas. >> Natural gas is not available in front of
the public safety building. >> It isn't. >> It is does not run by that section. If it did, that would be a very different conversation because then it would just be a tap off and up the driveway. >> How far? >> Uh, I'd have to double check. It's in a one of the weird sections of town that
goes from Unatil to National Grid. So, that's kind of why it never got extended there because it's at the edge of each of their territories. >> We did so much wrong on this project. It's unbelievable. >> Okay. kind of part for the course at that era. >> I was just going to say that. I was going to say these 20-year-old
municipal buildings. This is the two building, same story that I had in my last town that are of this age. >> But even the property, I mean, Mr. Bowen knows he was intimately involved. Like it just he and I fought about this 25 years ago.
I'm not going to belabor it, but I mean, oh my god. Anyway, >> there's also a chance that this was built on some sort of Native American burial ground because we're at the point now where every light pole is individually grounded because it was getting struck by lightning so often.
>> All right, we won't waste any Anybody else have any comments or questions on this one? >> I'm good. >> Possible one of our public safety people is a budding superhero. that would fit. Okay.
>> All right. Uh, this one is back to everyone's favorite building. Um, so this request is to begin the process of removing the asbestous from the decommissioned section of TCP. Um the
we went through did a you know take off based off of the speces report and it's basically all of the flooring in this decommission section the all of the hard ceilings which is the bathrooms for the most part and all of the pipe insulation. Um this is a fairly real
number. Um, there is a I stuck at an additional 50,000 on it because the number I got was for removing all of the asbestous, but some of the pipes are in concealed spaces, so there will be additional demolition for them to get to that. That's not
necessarily a speestous. Um, the the main thing with this is, you know, I know money is obviously tight, but this has to get done no matter what. There is no way around it. Even if the building burned to the ground, we still have to we still have to pay to remove all this
stuff. Um, so it's one of those this is what it costs today, it's going to cost more next year. Chris, >> as you remove ceiling and tiles and start punching holes and stuff, you're not going to fix any of it, right? It's just going to be left as
>> Yeah. All these holes are in the area that are de decommissioned. The uh picture on the left there is um one of the boys bathrooms that we had to have that section of ceiling abdated just to get to the pipes to shut the heat and the sprinkler down. Um the picture on the right there is one of the janitor's
closets where it's exposed. But the um as we're discovering decommissioning this, there's pipes run every which way in this building and it was the plans are terrible because they're not as built and it's a mess.
Uh, I'm beginning to think of TC Pasios the same way that I know Mr. Manard thinks of the Brooks House. >> Oh, I Yeah, both. I agree. >> And yes, >> and and sitting here today, this would be my last priority item.
>> What has to get done now? >> Well, I understand that. However, I think it can be done as part of a new building project or a project to do whatever it is we're going to do on that property once we decide to do it. But
we're not resolved there. And until we're resolved, I just I I feel like we're going, you know, we're we're I I don't know. relative to all the other things that are being asked for in
my mind that's like this needs to get packaged along with what are we doing on that property. The school committee is meeting tonight. One of the things on their agenda is to discuss the future of Turkey Hill and whether it's a you know minor renovation, major renovation or
replacement. And I continue to believe like that property is an option. Um, so I I just to me, yeah, I know we're gonna have to remove asbestous. I totally get that. But I I feel like it could be rolled into
another project that doesn't draw on our limited available capital funds. >> I guess uh my question would be if we I I we kick the can on everything in this town as we saw last night. I hate it.
However, my question is now going to be, can we kick the can on this one in the context of um we don't know what the building's going to So, I guess, yeah, I want to know, is this a current safety issue or is this something that has to get done
and we know that anything tied to construction is going up faster than inflation? >> Um, I think to that point, is it a safety issue right now? No, because this is the decommissioned portion of the building that the only people that will
have any access are me and my facilities guys. Um, my mentality was it's just going to keep getting more expensive. And the other thought I had was say we do all this abatement, you know, kind of gut the back half of the building. When something happens at Turkey Hill, now
we've got 25,000 square feet of enclosed space, maybe we put temporary classrooms, but maybe we don't. It's just people seeing a large empty space sometimes gives more ideas. But again, it's not a safety issue. It's just if we kick the can down the road, it's going to cost us more tax dollars.
>> Chris, do you know what the cost of asbestos removal is over time? How much, you know, does it go up more than inflation? >> Um, it that's a good question. It definitely follows any of the labor cost and prevailing wage because the bulk of
it is labor and then there's the the trucking and transport cost. Typically, it's going to a landfill in Ohio. So, you know, as fuel goes up, trucking goes up. Um, but I don't have I don't have the accurate data how much has gone up over the years.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. And and again, I I should have prefaced my comments. This is no disrespect to you, Mr. Ruth. You're doing your job. Like, you're doing the right thing by bringing this to us. This is a town of Lunberg problem where we got to get our collective crap
together and figure this out. Um, but I just in in my mind, there's other ways to do this that are >> N I'm with you. I'm just I'm also a resident. So, anytime I see something that's going to cost more, that's that's where my focus is. >> So, it's But I understand what everyone
else is up against. you know, I'm I'm working with the building design committee as well, so I know there's a a lot of balls in the air trying to figure out what to do here. >> Okay. >> Um, it's tangental to this, but Mr. Beardmore, since you brought it up, I I want to ask the group. Um,
and I I guess this is a I don't mean it to be a loaded question. I think it ends up a loaded question regardless. Some things are just explosive that way. This is like the eenth time I've heard. Well, the school committee is having a
serious conversation right now about the future of Turkey Hill and everything else. I don't need a big in-depth, but do we have reason to believe this time is different? Because on this topic and Lunenburgg as a whole is real good at
talking about buildings and then doing nothing and not even coming to a conclusion. >> Well, yeah. Yeah, I mean we could talk for hours about this, but let me let me offer you one observation, >> please. >> As we've been having this conversation over the course of the last few years, one of the things that was said many
many times in public meetings, mostly by Carol Arshambo, was that the schools are going to wait their turn until they're not. And that tipping point was last spring when we decided that we aren't doing the
plan that came forth from the mun municipal building committee. uh and the the the the opinion of the old school committee and I think it's shared by the newer members of the school committee, but I'm I'm not authorized to speak on their behalf, is
is that now we got to get the ball rolling and and we the important meetings that happened before were constructive. We spent money to do an assessment of that building. We know a lot more about that building than we did a year ago. um because we had a full assessment that
included ADA and all of the systems in the building and the whole nine yards. We we have a a rel you know a reasonable uh cost assessment in terms of what does it cost to bring it to current code and you know those those kinds of things. So
um there was a lot of missing information uh as well as this tipping point that has occurred over the course of the last several months. So but but the school committee has never
you know come to a conclusion around do we do you know small upgrades to the building? Do we do a m major renovation that means basically taking the building out of service for a couple of years while we do it or at least a year or do we do a full-scale replacement of the
building? The school committee's never, you know, weighed in with a collective opinion on that and that is on their goals for this year now is to come to a resolution on that to engage the MSBA to figure out exactly what all of the various ramifications and permutations
are. >> Great. Thank you. I I appreciate that perspective. >> I guess my opinion on TCP is I don't see a future for it that doesn't involve it being leveled to the ground. So I I would start that
process along with Brooks House. I I I think we have the same view of where the building is going, which is needs to meet a bulldozer, but you know, have a lot of work to do before we get there. >> Maybe there was a missed opportunity last night for some more straw polling.
I And I kind of say that half joking, but half serious. Like I think we hear about some of these buildings and we hear sometimes some really vocal advocates, but and and we think that that might be the sentiment, right? But perhaps it's not. Perhaps there is a
different appetite if we were to pull kind of more widely. >> Yeah, >> I hear that. But part of the issue I I I think is the variable attendance at town meeting, not just in terms of raw
numbers, but in terms of the people who show up are so heav the specific individuals who show up are so influenced by whatever the topic duour is. No, no. I was using that as an example just but more like truthfully to
pull the town more. >> Yeah. You know, >> I have a I have a different point of view on this which is I actually because we have recent evidence over the last 10 years to show you that a straw poll in one meeting has nothing to do with the outcome in the next meeting. Um
>> yeah, >> what I can tell you what I have seen here and it's credit to Mr. Bowen who I just shared some a little bit of history. The reason why we were able to build three buildings in Lunberg in a fairly short period of time came down to
one word, leadership. The right group of people got together and they decided they wanted it and they were going to put in the effort and they campaigned the hell out of it and made it happen. And by the way, it had nothing to do with me. I opposed most of it at the time. But Mr.
>> and Mr. Cronin and a number of others uh who were involved made it happen. And that's what it takes. And and it has little to do with the current opinions of anybody. It has to do with the leadership to actually move something.
>> I think we got this this pestos. >> I think so too. >> Yeah. >> All right. Mr. All right, >> on to uh the last one here. Um so this one is for regrading and reeding of
Fitzgerald Field. Um you know, as you can see in the picture here, there's some patchy grass. Um I don't remember when I sent the drone up for this picture, but it was it was offseason. Um the main issue on this field is the right-hand field and that right hand
dugout from the time the snow melts till sometime May June that field is almost that section is almost underwater. Um there's a stream that runs through the trees there. um you know it's it's really not usable over the years that
whole side slopes slopes over the edge and um it's really not even level for playing baseball at this point. I mean it is little league not the pros so it's not the end of the world. Um but in this one the the thought was
roughly 3 to 400 yards of material to bring in to raise the right hand side up to kind of control the water and keep it in the stream. And then the rest of it would be, you know, fill the high and low spots and, you know, receat it. Um, we have some money in here for
engineering to make sure the grades work and it drains. There's some money for the initial year fertilizer program to get it running. And there's some money in there for some fencing upgrades. And the fencing upgrades are we're trying to combine two parks things here of um a
little bit of fencing here and some fencing repairs at the town beach. Um the town beach is there's a section where it doesn't reach the ground and kids have been climbing underneath into traffic. And at Fitzgerald field the fencing issues are more related to snowmobiles cutting across and doing
damage >> if it soaks. >> I could yell downstairs, but did parks weigh in on on this one? >> Um are they in agreement? >> Yeah, this is this is what they had sent over to me. Okay.
>> They have some other ones that they asked me to keep on the list for future, but nothing that they were looking to do this year. >> I'm sorry. Go ahead, Chris. >> Oh, sorry. So, at one point we were encroaching on the neighbor's land. Is is that
going to be fixed or has that been fixed as part of this? >> Um, yes. Fixing that is not part of it. It's the that dugout that floods in the back stop is right up against the the edge of the property there. Um I think anything we did there of that kind of
level. Um there's another wrinkle that gets thrown in here is this is technically not a parks property. It's a conservation property. >> Yeah. >> So it just it adds a couple more layers to getting stuff done. Um,
I think I think at the end of the day the right answer and we'd obviously have to talk to town council maybe what we just did with an easement for town hall type of deal or worst case we have to shift it all over. But >> do we um are we really not using either
of these fields in the spring? >> Um the field on the left you can use more but the um it depends on the the rain of the year. There's been years where it's been unusable and there's been years where, you know, mid end of May it starts
drying out, but that one dugout we had to add a couple yards of crush stone into that dugout because there was 4 in of standing water in it. And you know, the field was okay with the dugout was still underwater type of thing. Yeah, the numbers in baseball are a lot lower than probably when Rey and
certainly when I don't know if you played baseball, but when >> my own kids played baseball that So, the fields are not as utilized as they once were. >> Yeah. I guess that was kind of what I was getting to is I'd like to understand what the necessity because I'm all for
spending like if it's something that's going to get used $59,000 relative to some of these other projects that are, you know, cuz people in my opinion sometimes like their toys a little bit too much. Um I I think that this is a great project, right, if it's going to
get used. And I think that that's where I'm a little bit hung up here is if you're telling me they're not being used, and I haven't heard a single complaint from youth baseball beyond, you know, T-ball, which is being played
up at the old primary school location, but I haven't heard it about field availability. Like, what are do we need this? Do we need these, I guess, is what I'm getting to. Um, that's a very loaded question that I'd prefer not to walk into the shredder again because last
time I said anything about what little use I was uh attacked on that one. Um, I can ask the question and the answer they're going to give us is yes, we need it. We have scheduling issues. Um, you know, we have the fields. I just don't want to let them the longer we
leave it, the more it cost us to bring it back at some point. Um, the fields once they dry out, they get used throughout their whole season. Um, we also let the um there's a Special Olympics flag football team that uses it later in the season for practices, but you know, the water at that point is
typically not an issue. >> My >> I think ultimately those questions are, you know, the parks commission's perview on prioritization. Um, but that's why I asked if if they had weighed in on it. I hadn't asked them if
they had. my my my information is a little out ofd because I've been out of little league for a long time now, but I and I can't speak to the baseball side because I had two girls who I coached on the softball
side and at the time fields were at a premium. I don't know what the numbers are, how the numbers compare, but there at the time there weren't enough softball fields to accommodate everybody because the lake lodge closed and and we
lost a a practice field. I don't know about the baseball side though. I I think it might be helpful um to get some commentary from um the uh the parks commission on this as
well as you know the leadership of the youth baseball association. Um, >> yeah, >> one of them is my neighbor, so I can probably just go knock on his door and ask him, but um
I'm just just curious here. >> I have the same >> I know youth youth baseball does not even share their enrollment numbers with the parks commission. So youth baseball is very hard to work with.
I I'm kind of of the opinion they can become easy to work with or I don't I when I say I don't care I don't mean that like oh whatever but it if they don't want to give me data that doesn't
lead me to believe it's good numbers. >> Yeah. I mean my my take on this is I want to be a yes on this one. Right. Like >> I do too. But but I I need to know that it it's actually needed. >> Oh, Chris, by the way, I want to call
you out and say thank you because I started saying regrading um erosion and I got a little panicky about the feasibility of this and then you included the magic words and there's money here for some engineering and my
storm water heart sang. So, thank you. Wait, one other uh one other comment on this. And um I'm not going to die on this hill either, but um the fact that this proposal includes fencing repairs on the
town beach, which I also absolutely want to solve. Um but to the letter of the law, the strikes of bundling on this one. M I the the town beach portion of the fencing was a a much smaller number than I anticipated once it actually came
in. So, you know, worst case I could pull out that $3,400 of that part. So, I >> I think by our by our rules, that should be done by your budget. >> Well, if my budget goes through what I
asked for, I can definitely get it done without without the increase in my parks budget. there is a 0% chance of it getting fixed. >> And out of curiosity, and I don't want to belver this too much, but where is the problem with the fencing in the town beach?
>> So, from basically the town beach building down about 75 ft, there's a section where the fence doesn't actually touch the ground and there's about a one foot gap there. And you know, everyone parks along the road. And I saw one time a kid went under the fence and got past
the cars and almost got clipped because, you know, nobody can see you. And I've seen other times when, you know, the kids try and crawl underneath, but their parents catch them quicker. Um, we had a fencing contractor come out and look at it and the the best thought we came up with was remove the existing fencing,
cut the poles down in that section, lower it. Um, why they didn't do that, I don't know, because the fence, the rest of it follows the braid. But why they left that section up, I I really don't know. >> Not for nothing, but can you raise the ground?
>> Uh, we looked into that and the the best option I could come up with was some some bigger like rip wrap, you know, 3 4 inch minus stuff, but, you know, I have kids and something about putting a whole pile of rocks along the beach just didn't seem wise.
I hear you. Okay. >> All right. Well, if you could um maybe have a conversation with the town manager, decide what you want to do on that, but I do think we need some uh additional commentary on this or >> I mean, fields in in green space is
always good, right? I you can't argue with that. And I this is uh to my I'm not as familiar with the town fields because my boys aren't square or diamond shaped field sports kids, but um
this looks this is an area of of town that doesn't have much else in the way of parks or fields. >> No. >> Yeah. This one's kind of out there for >> it's is servicing a a a different client, a different group than some of
our other parks are. And I think that's always relevant to know too that we're hitting different kids. >> I will say too, as far as dealing with the the youth baseball folks, um I know they do have a new field coordinator who's going to be working on all this and it's someone I've known and worked
with in the past and hopefully that relationship will be able to improve a little bit. based off that. >> Yeah. It would also be nice to have a a recck director to be on the other side of that call. >> No, that'd be fantastic to have a rec
director. Do you know anyone? >> That's going to be very unlikely based on what we're seeing. Unfortunately, >> I've tried talking the chair of the parks commission into it, but she wasn't having it. >> You just got to give six or eight weeks vacation.
>> Okay. Anything else here? >> Nope. That That's it. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> Okay. Um, any additional questions or comments for
Mr. Ruth? >> I guess the only question again to the 10-year plan is is you feel it's pretty pretty robust. It's fairly inclusive. Like just as an example, I don't you had like three projects that were XXX, which
means they were identified this year and in this year's plan, which means we missed it in the 10-year plan, you know, last year. Some of those there's hasn't been a whole lot added here. Um I can send you guys a copy of
my actual working sheet that I use because it may be easier to read. Um the the numbers were kind of some of the numbers in there never matched up when we were using the um not the open gov whatever it was the clear gov system. So some of the numbers were just I put an X
if I didn't know what it was. >> Okay. >> You you did you did mention that the parks uh besides reservoir did have something in the outy years that they wanted to do with the other parks. I just don't
remember. Is that in your 10-year plan? >> Um, there's not really a number there yet because I don't know what we're doing. So, I just have it as a placeholder, but the two projects I know they want to work on besides Marshall are um some redesign over at McN to make
it more accessible. Um, as well as parks controls a pretty goodized parcel on Northfield Road by the golf course that I believe the plan is to get some soccer fields in at some point because those are also desperately needed in town. If if I can on that ladder project, one
thing that I had advocated with Heather for when uh she was cutting deals with Bright Weave or Green Leaf or whatever that um that company that was going to go in next to to Hannerford there >> is.
>> Yeah. break firms was to to try to get access up into that park from Route 2 A rather than having to get access from Northfield Road itself because if that
became a pretty busy park, you know, bringing it down in through that neighborhood, um, you know, might might be difficult, right? The same problems we were thinking we might have with the the big development up. Oh, I guess that's a road up from that. But so as as
you're potentially cutting deals in that area, think about access up into that, you know, the that park space that we acquired uh this in the part of that Celiba deal. So I guess Jen, if you can kind of think about that and maybe Caesar from the
select board's perspective, just have that in your mind that >> Matt may be something that >> what's that because Matt Matt knows when stuff is coming. I wish somebody was coming with some deals right now, but Matt might know a little more of folks. Yeah,
>> I do support keeping traffic off of Northfield Road, though. I can tell you that. To my I mean to my knowledge that area that area is still under deal with another business that is it's kind of in
limbo. Um, and we'll see what happens if and when they come back >> or if >> I know there was a thought of connecting it to some conservation land, but I think prioritywise connecting it to that park, if that park were to become where
we put rectangular fields, um, that that would get much more use than the the conservation access. >> Definitely. And it's really needed like I you know, that would be that would be good. We can figure that out.
Okay. Um, anything else for Mr. Ruth? All right. Thank you, Mr. Ruth. I appreciate it. Uh, email with the, uh, couple of follow-up items and, uh, >> we'll be in touch. Thank you. >> All righty. Sounds good. Thanks, guys. >> Thanks, Chris.
>> Um, we do not have minutes to approve. Um, madam town manager, I've had a note to call you and ask you about a minutes clerk. >> You need a minute clerk? >> Well, we I've been copying Danielle and haven't heard anything and I don't know if she's >> kind of fallen off. So, but we
>> the last few meetings we haven't received any minutes for. So, >> okay. So, all right. Let me connect with Danielle. >> Okay. Um, and then hopefully we can get some together. I can certainly help if need be, but um and and I I can tell you
when I go back to my email, I can tell you how far we go back. We still have some outstanding ones to approve, but we could do it as one big package. So, okay. Um we've discussed future meetings uh as part of my report. So, we don't need to belabor that. Is there any
public comment? All right. Hearing none. Is there a motion to adjurnn? >> So moved. >> Second. >> We have a motion by Mr. Menard, a second by Mr. Brener. This will be a roll call vote. Mr. Bowen
>> I. >> Mr. Nuzo. >> I. >> Mr. Brener. >> I. >> Manard. >> I. >> And an I for myself. Thank you all. It's been a fun evening with you. >> All right. in a couple weeks. Happy Thanksgiving. >> Good night, everyone. >> Good night.
>> Jen, she's gone.