##VIDEO ID:SfulwvFLx9w## good evening it is 6:30 pm on Wednesday December 18th 20124 uh this is Brian Leon and chair of the school committee I am calling the school committee meeting to order in accordance with the requirements of the open meeting law please be advised that this meeting is being broadcast at a later date over the lindenberg public access Channel this meeting will be broadcast at a later date through the local access cable channel and on the public access Facebook page and will be found on lunberg access YouTube channel within 24 hours 24 hours after the meeting the agenda lists all the topics which may be discussed at the meeting and are those reasonably anticipated by the chair votes may be taken as a result of these discussions not all items listed May in fact be discussed and other items not listed may also be brought up for discussion to the extent permitted by open meeting law uh first up on the agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance if you please rise I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the repic for which it stands one nation God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you uh the first item the next item of the agenda is uh executive session to conduct strategy sessions in preparation for negotiations with non-union Personnel or to conduct collective bargaining sessions or contract negotiations with nonunion Personnel I'll look for a motion um I mooved to go into executive session for the previously mentioned reasons second we're going to do uh roll call vote Mrs bosski Mr be yes Mrs Ash yes and Mr Le yes thank you uh 6:45 p.m. we are back from executive session our next item item on the agenda is public comment I will open it up to public comment from the public oh somebody just walked in public comment from the public all right seeing none they're going to open it up the public comment from the committee I I have a comment um so uh I'm sure it'll come up in a report or something later on but I want to uh uh congratulate and thank um Mr Skol brini Dr Burnham Dr Gilson uh for their uh great work on the budget task force which Mr SCH breed reported out last night at the select board meeting uh in what turned out to be a hour and a half fairly extensive conversation you beat my record for standing at that lecturn um at that Podium um so um and and I think that all of the recommendations well I don't think I agree with all of them I I think that they're all things that should be pursued in part of the narrative uh to driving uh greater uh fiscal leadership and responsibility in lunenberg um all of that being said I think we also need to keep our eye on the ball um which is we have a number of things that need to move forward over the course of the coming years including um dealing with the turf field dealing with turkey Hill dealing with Town Offices um all of which are going to need support of the voters um and now if we're adding a CPA and a number of other things like that like that that's an awful lot for for us to to have to um articulate campaign and and build consensus around um and then finally in terms of the the budget you know issue the the big issue around inflation and prop two and a half and the Delta between the two um while there are a lot of things that were discussed last night that can have an impact the game is still Chapter 70 when you run a $25 million budget and 10 million of that comes from the state and it does not expand at the same rate as the rest of your budget the town has to pick up the state's share um and we need to continue to demand leadership from our legislators and um our other state stakeholder organizations to to make that case and write that wrong thank you thank you any of the public comment from the committee all right seeing none next item in the agenda is the chair's report um so I have a couple updates uh the MS I have an msba update the Massachusetts school building authority the msba has announced the statements of Interest s sois for the 2025 core and acceler repairs program the ARP will be open Monday January 13th 2025 at 10: a.m. uh some key updates the core program focused on new construction additions and major Renovations and the deadline is Friday April 11th 2025 it's an accelerated repair program ARP that now includes heat pump conversions alongside roof and window door repairs to align with Massachusetts Net Zero carbon emission goals starting in 2025 arpis will be accepted by anually with the next deadline Friday March 25th 21st 2025 uh important changes there a template update districts reusing prior s sois must review changes that may impact responses submission requirements um supporting materials must be uploaded online hard copies are no longer accepted and the msba encourages districts to submit s sois for applicable projects additional guidance and details are found in the msba website um and opportunity to address uh for addressing School building needs and advancing sustainability goals uh the finance committee chair reached out uh was looking to um talk about how we execute budget season uh given the transition of Carter and whoever's uh selected as Town manager a lot of new players this year uh with new chairs um s looking to have a conversation about that um also they have a finance committee meeting tomorrow uh with a joint meeting with the budget task force the Scarsdale 211 um they did have that meeting on Friday 126 but it was a smaller group um so I wait updates on that um also in our folder uh I shared an article on North Middle that they are closing two of their schools uh North Middle sex is Ashby towns and imp peil they're closing the only School in Ashby Ashby Elementary and they're also closing Spalding Elementary School in in towns and they're going to be combining um some of the schools so I think that's twofold it's a it's a warning when you see um towns that are not passing override some of the the consequences that we've um are going to see and also I I looked at it too that they now have two vacant schools schs and in a town where we're considering possibly renovating a school and looking for a space that maybe our students could go maybe we could look into negotiating with North Middle sex on possibly using their building or using a building uh I also have a social security update uh that affects uh a lot of our our staff um so the Senate actually voted uh the US Senate voted today to to basically take the next step um to advance the measure on the Social Security Fairness Act the house had already actually passed it in November and it's a bill aiming to repeal two Provisions that reduce Social Security benefits for public sector workers who also receive pensions so it's the windfall elimination provision of the web WP it reduces Social Security benefits for individuals pensions from jobs where Social Security taxes were not withheld and then two it's the government pension offset that g reduces social security spousal or survival benefits for those with non-covered government pensions so I've heard from several retirees about this and the concern is that if [Music] a if you have a retired teacher on a pension and their spouse is collecting Social Security if that spouse Dies who is collecting Social Security typically this the spouse would get that social security benefit but if they have a a teacher pension they are not going to get that social security benefit so this would eliminate that um conflict and they could actually collect the Social Security uh or if you have uh people coming into teaching late um that put into Social Security this would allow them to still collect Social Security and uh their their pension that they're paying into too uh these rules have long affected public workers including Educators impacting over 2.7 Americans as of 2022 The Proposal the proposed repeal has bipartisan support and would restore full benefits for those effective um if passed it would significantly benefit public employees impacted by these provisions and this legislation may have more important implications for educators and other public employees uh in lunenberg and across the country and the last thing I just wanted to wish everybody a Merry Christmas happy hanuka happy K Quanza boxing day or anything else you uh you celebrate next item in the agenda is the student Representatives report do not have a student representative tonight the next item of the agenda is to review and approve minutes from November 20th 2024 whether there any questions or comments about the minutes not seeing none I'll look for a motion I will move to approve the minutes from regular session November 20th 2024 second any discussion we going do a roll call vote Mrs Bowski oh sorry can I just we did yes Mr be yes Mrs ASO yes Mr School Green yes and Mr L yes thank you uh next is to review and approve line item transfers warrants and donations uh the warrants from December 3rrd 2024 to December 13th 2024 total $ 27,825 420 from the PTO uh this uh was a result of the um request for funds uh program that the PTO does um and this first check will be deposited in the gift account for Turkey Hill Elementary School we also have a donation from Hanford helps program in the amount of $365 this will be um deposited into the lunenberg middle school gift fund and we have a check in the amount of $410 4 um also from Hanford helps and this will be deposited into the gift account at the primary school and will be used uh to to support future field trips and I would recommend acceptance of all any questions or comments I make a motion to accept the uh all three gifts with gratitude I'll second any discussion all right a roll call vote Mrs brazowski yes Mr beardmore yes Mrs aand yes Mr School grey yes and Mr Leon yes thank you uh line item transfer and we have Dr Gilson with us this evening to go over that line item transfer okay we have a line transfer request from the technology department and have uh requested to transfer uh $1,279 6 from the computer maintenance repair system they purchased screens to uh replace uh for student uh laptops and they want to that that money is supposed to be taken out of the Lost Books and Technology revolving uh account and so you didn't have the uh money from RE now so now it's been process so they just want to move the the item or the line of $1,279 in other words when um students uh devices are not insured um they they assume the liability of any repair um so parents make their their payment through rev track it goes into that lost book account but as Dr Gilson explained at the time there w funds uh posted there so we took it from a different line and now we're just uh moving the money to more appropriately reflect where it should be taken from what questions or comments do the committee members have seeing none I look for a motion make a motion to approve the line on transfer as discre second any discussion I think we're ready for a roll call vote Mrs brazowski yes Mr bmore yes Mrs Ash yes Mr SCH brini yes and Mr L yes all right next item on the agenda is the superintendent report an update on director of facilities we have been U reviewing applicants and we will be conducting an interview of an applicant tomorrow um and update on the annual gift card Drive um great big thank you to all the generous members of our community who donated to the lunberg school secretary's annual gift card drive this year we received $6,700 in um donated gift cards so thank you um to all those who donated and then also a great big thank you to all of our secretaries for their efforts um to support our families um each year through this effort um this year we also had a donation of Christmas trees uh we were contacted by Folks at Hollis Hills um and they were looking to donate 50 Christmas trees to families in need this year um so again um we have an amazing Community um that rally around and support uh when folks are in need so thank you very much uh to Hollis Hills uh recently Mr uh s received a letter from nask as we continue this ongoing process uh with nas uh I did place a copy of that letter in the items of interest subfolder in your meeting packet tonight um if anybody has any questions relative to that they can send them my way and um I'll connect with Mr Sandry and we'll we'll get back to folks with uh any answers for any questions you may have um I also did put in that they uh they did let us know that if any changes occur with Staffing levels uh we are obligated to notify them um within 60 days I think um so I'm sure that we'll have many a conversation uh relative to budget development for next year um and also I had on my list the m SBA the only thing that I would add um to the chair's report relative to the um the new cycle opening um on January 21st they will be hosting a webinar uh for superintendence to go over the ins and outs of the upcoming cycle um so Dr Gilson and I will attend that um as well few calendar reminders again for everyone um the January meetings are off cycle they are not the first and third Wednesdays as they typically are because the first Wednesday of the month is the holiday January 1st um so this upcoming month will be the 8th and the 22nd uh 6:30 both meetings will be hybrid uh the first meeting January 8th hybrid from town hall January 22nd hybrid here from the Middle High School um and schools and school offices will be closed beginning Monday the 23rd of December for the holiday break and we will reopen on Thursday January second um even even central office uh staff um they're going to be a very very Skeleton Crew um at those offices so anybody looking to come in to conduct any business really it would be encouraged to call or email in advance to be sure that the the people that need to meet with are are actually in the office um and with that I'll just end with um wishing everyone um in the community a happy holiday season um hopefully a healthy holiday season there's an awful lot of U virus activity floating around uh the schools and the offices uh in recent days so Wishing every one a healthy holiday and that's all I have for you tonight thank you uh what questions or comments to the committee members have all right seeing none uh next item of the agenda is uh we have presentation I think it's just a play setting no presentation tonight uh next item is new business action item School Food Service administrative review so I'll invite naen renen uh to review the recent um review that was conducted and um the corrective action plan that she's put together and um Nina I'm making you a co-host right now so that you can screen share your slides because the host of the meeting cannot screen share it's a security thing okay um the Food Service program is subject to an administrative review on a threeyear cycle and uh luckily this year one of was my cycle uh so the review is basically just an evaluation of the overall program um from how the food is brought into our schools how we menu it how we serve it how it's stored um how it's purchased um how we track the production of it temperatures the signs everything um so the they send um deathy sends out a reviewer and it's worth noting that they shared that she came our reviewer came with a couple of guests she was a mentor to uh two folks from new campshire um they were um learning the process both through new to the program so um yeah we had our review [Music] in was it November just before Thanksgiving and I received the corrective action plan already done uh completed in submitted and um it was a lengthy one this year again I think it was because she was mentoring and she wanted to find every little thing and share as much knowledge with those um I'm certainly not going to go through every um piece of that corrective action plan that you give today my major reason we wanted to share this review process with you is the fact that um in that corre action plan it was um found that some things need to be posted for the public and I before I post it for the public I really would like to share it with you um with the school committee so um a couple of those things are the fact that our policy our wellness policy needed to be updated and our civil rights policy need to be updated um and that uh a trial assessment needs to be posted for the public and that's basically it as far as being posted to the public you're wondering what a trianal assessment is it is an assessment of our wellness policy which um this assessment is conducted again on a three-year cycle and we conducted it in 2324 I did it with the wellness advisory committee and we were fully uh implementing most of our practices in um in areas including activity education nutrition education promotion marketing and um usca schools in section we were however lacking in marketing um which was another piece that we need to update in our wellness policy so it kind of came here oh I'm so sorry I never put a screen there you go apologies I just talked right through all of that I am so sorry so these are some of the things that are reviewed as you canra and then corrective action plan nutrition analysis meal components and we did get nutrition software this year um and that did pose a bit of a problem there was a bit of a learning care for some of our managers and um we have since gone through some more training and worked out um a better plan for how to use and read and comprehend that that program my apologies oning sharing thank you Miss Lorenzen yeah we have the slides too I think it was more for the public I think just flipping through the slides so the public could see the slides so thank you we appreciate that what questions did what questions or comments to the committee members have excuse me uh I just have one question what is Titan Titan is our new software okay okay Miss brazowski did you have any questions comments what did they what did they marke and we provide for okay okay I was just curious that thank you and when you say foods that you can sell is it it's foods that need the nutritional guidelines for the food program absolutely so we can sell lart snaps and some of those are but as as they're the guidelines for what are the questions or comments to the committee members have all right thank you Miss Lorenzo all right so this is an action item are we looking [Music] to just accept the report okay look for a motion I'll make a motion to accept the report regarding the school Food Services administrative review I'll second any discussion all right I think we're ready for a roll call vote Mrs P yes Mr beardmore yes Mrs ASO yes Mr schini yes and Mr Leon yes thank you next item on the agenda is new business action item FY 24 end of year report so you have um the report in your uh packet and Dr Gilson is here um she may be able to answer some of your questions however I would just um remind everyone that we contracted the uh Finance Consultants that worked with us last year to to do this report um so if if there are questions that we can't answer we we will be able to get you the answer and get back to you what questions or comments do the committee members have I have to apologize I have not had the opportunity to review this yet and may uh reserve the opportunity to ask you questions offline when I do sure I would just say that there's lots of numbers and and as always the lots of numbers seem to be logical to me and if there's something in here that we should our attention should be drawn to I would appreciate knowing what that is but it I did go through the numbers but not knowing anything about the numbers I you know it seemed all reasonable to me but if there's something that that we need to know about it that's all is this available to the public I don't know that um Mrs Peterson got all of these things posted prior to the meeting tonight but it will be okay all right if there's no comments or questions I'll look for a motion to accept the report I'll make a motion to accept the report I'll second any discussion I think we're ready for a roll call vote Mrs brazowski yes Mr beard Moore yes Mrs Areno yes Mr scho Ry yes and Mr Leon yes thank you uh next item of the agenda is action item secretary's memorandum of understanding uh so we recently um engaged with the secretaries Association for their next contract uh the contract would begin um July 1st 2025 um and I I don't know if um either of the school committee members that were on the bargaining team would want to um recap um the agreement yeah I can uh so myself and Laura were on the the negotiation committee uh it's a three-year contract um the bereavement leave that the the teachers got um in their contract very similar language almost identical language to that for bement was added um the there was a uh sick sick day buyback that we added uh this will allow us to get notified ahead of time if a secretary is retiring and we can uh plan for their replacement so we can train the replacement um we also added um a step seven in the second year uh currently they only have six steps and then we added a step eight in the third year the cola percentages were 4% for year 1 4% for year 2 and 4% for year three um Laura did I miss anything um I I just I did want to add when we did the comps for the secretaries um this increase puts us a little more in line with our comp towns and surrounding areas um brings us up to a little more of where we should be thank you were there any questions or comments from the committee members there that a comment um I'm very grateful that you and Laur took this on but I'm also grateful that the secretaries were that they came to the table and everybody was focused on getting it done yeah I thought the negotiations went really well uh good conversations and uh the secretary's do an amazing job uh literally we're just talking about at the beginning of the meeting how they raised over $5,000 with their uh gift card fundraiser 2 for the the the community as well um and they they are a vital part of the school any other questions or comments do we have the town manager interm Town manager he's not joined via Zoom I I have texted him as of okay so he may have been up with something else tonight he is fully aware of um all the implications of the the package the numbers um didn't didn't express any concern to Dr Gilson or myself prior to I would move to approve the uhou with the secretary's bargaining unit um as proposed I would second that any discussion all right we're going to do a roll call vote Mrs brzowski yes Mr beardmore yes Mrs Aro yes Mr schini yes Mr Leon yes thank you everyone next item of the agenda is the winter Athletics report um you have the numbers that we weren't able to provide you at the last meeting because the last meeting occurred on the last day of Trials um so you do have all of the numbers if anybody has any questions or concerns you can let me know and I'll connect with the ad and um get back you with the additional information if needed what questions or concerns to the or comments to the committee members have I would just say the benefit of the public if I'm reading this correctly uh in 2022 we had 194 athletes in 2023 193 and 2024 193 so um you know we're we're tracking for uh pretty stable numbers here uh which is great um and keeping in mind that we have this is just slightly under 50% of our enrolled high school students are participating in uh in winter Sports is pretty good and uh I think speaks to the strength and importance of this program of our programs of our athletic programs in the uh the lives and development of our high school students and seventh and eighth graders that participate as well I did have a question on the the ski so is that the ski team and that's not the the ski club that is that a co-op do you know I believe it is a co-op um I four kids is it lemonster that we co-op with I believe so yes can I ask a question about uh the participation rates in girls hockey do we have we don't have a team Coop Co-op so these numbers represent lunenberg students participating these Coop which includes Boys Hockey as well then ice hockey as well just the Luna bird students I am gonna go now but I will you guys later Merry Christmas thank you Laura Merry Christmas all right if there are no other questions or comments I will look for a motion to accept the winter Athletics report I will make a motion to accept the winter Athletics report I will second that any discussion all right uh all in favor say I I and the motion passes thank you next item of the agenda is the discussion on lmhs activity fees so if I could maybe ask for someone taller than myself and I will turn it over now to um Dr Gilson and Mr sry good evening every everyone uh Dr gillson I'm here to support you if you want to begin with the uh first few slides of the activity fee Dr Gilson I think you need to unmute [Music] okay and and I'll will interrupt here I want to thank her for being here for this meeting to go over these slides tonight she's actually home sick today oh sorry that's SI see the slides yes yes excellent okay that's that's good the slides really going to mirror everything that we talked about for the athletic revolving account and so our continuing challenge is basically the idea of the money that we're taking in is not equaling the expenses going out and so um we're exploring uh the activity in right now we're looking at comparative from other surrounding towns and um we're also um [Music] Tim increase the fees or change the Fe structure or do a combination of of multiple things ucture why don't you explain structure at the Middle High School sure so two different structures for the middle and the high school the middle school students activity fee is a play play to pay so it's uh $43 if you want to participate in after school activities that are not Athletics for the high school student activity fund it is a $55 fee for each and every student um and it's not paid per play but every student pays I think the differences is because in the high school we get provide services to each student through advisors at each grade level um but as Dr Gilson says I think we're facing the same problems that we are facing in any budget is uh the stiens and the increases to expenditures are out tasing uh the amount of money that we're taking in would you agree with that Dr gillson I would absolutely agree and we try to highlight this in the next slide these are examples of some of the Middle School activities that are running um they have advisors uh where we could uh track enrollment from last year we actually put in the numbers but basically if you are using the money coming in to pay for stiens um you continue to see that um the um money coming in is not equaling the expenses going out for example um the art Club is taking um approximately $430 and the money that is expended for the the stien is $600 and that doesn't even include like supplies and materials and things that you might have in an art Club the so ultimately we have a situation where not all stiens can be um drawn from the ACT activity uh revolving account the stiens that are in blue are funed from the local budget uh the general fund um but we're continuing to Monitor and watch this expense very closely um if we look at the high school activities um Tim why don't you explain what the high school activities of he actually um is doing to provide all students with an experience sure like I touched upon earlier that is for our um High School class advisors when we're doing uh float work those are the stiens that are paid out through that so all students have the opportunity to participate in those we also have clubs and activities I think uh Dr Gilson you would be in agreement I one of the issues that we're running into is that um we have now clubs that um require busing uh our Science Olympiad clubs um which are actually competitions and which we um have had great enrollment for and our uh in academic um it's just a a Worth to our building that those busing costs are outweighing what we can uh afford in the Student Activity fund so that's why we really wanted to begin these discussions um Science Olympiad I know um prior to the pandemic uh and actually we worked through the pandemic and after that those numbers continue to climb and students that want to participate in that and I believe that we finished uh sixth in the State uh in 2021 I believe it was uh which is quite an accomplishment unfortunately and it's not unfortunate uh you know students have the opportunity to go to Harvard University and and uh compete against other kids uh from across the state but unlike Athletics where if we had you know a schedule of 10 games five them are at home we don't have that opportunity with Science Olympiad if we have five competitions they're all away me meets so we all have to provide the busing for that so those are some of the challenges that we're facing uh and those are some of the uh expenditures that we have at the high school caring Athletics one of our other challenges is that the number of low income that are meeting waivers is increasing like you saw in the Athletics presentation this is also paralleled in the Student Activity account and um as students pay a $55 activity fee each year there are approximately 450 students at the high school um and if everybody pays the activity fee the cost is uh the cost that is generated or the revenue that's generated is $247 but this year or this past year we were approximately 90 students who needed fees weaved so our account um is not gaining the full benefit of the user fees and so that's that's the challenge and if with their anticipated stipend um you know the stipend that U went out last year are 34,7 93 versus the revenue that's coming in um you know really from user fees was like last year it was $199,800 so um with the contract uh being new and with the new send increases if all students pay these are the projected increases to Student Activities uh in terms of the potential um cost of the siphons over the next three years and um another I'm sorry Dr G you go ahead no go ahead I was just saying another variable on the high school activity calendar is that I wish all students that could pay the $55 fee each year paid as they as we rolled into September sometimes that isn't the case sometimes that money isn't rolling in until I don't know they need a parking permit is a junior or as they're graduating they're putting all of that money in so it's very difficult to balance a budget when there are very variables when we don't know how much money is coming in or when also at the middle school when I was a seventh grade special education teacher in 2003 the the activity fee uh amount was $43 and 22 years later the activity fee is $43 so although that fee has not gone up other things have so um that's right that's that's um amazing that it still is the same rate at $43 when you started teaching um the benefits of the high school user fee these are all the clubs that are offered uh that kids have a chance to benefit from um and um many the many kids enjoy the freedom of being able to take advantage of those clubs we looked at comparatives as we did with Athletics and um there are some schools that uh that offer an annual Student Activity which is in line with the activity fee that we offer uh there's some to schools that do not offer an activity fee and that means that all of these activities and the other schools are funded need with the local fund so um again it's continued our continued challenge is how do we continue to support the diversity of clubs and experiences with rising cost for transportation advisor materials and memberships so um this is along the same theme as the athletic revolving account and so we're examining each one of our accounts uh so this wraps this wraps up our Student Activity uh fe uh presentation and Mr sry if you'd like to add anything please feel free to do so I I just missed one of the things that's covered under Student Activities which was one of our uh one of our great Traditions as the competitive class plays in the spring and also our spring presentation so those are covered under that Student Activity great thank you what what questions or comments that the committee members have Mr skull so two clubs make a profit what are they doing differently that the other clubs are not if you look at drama drama makes what looks like a $30 profit which is not great but still it's a profit and then the ski and snowboard they make a pretty substantial profit what are they doing differently okay um uh Tim if you can answer that go go go ahead I'm I'm not sure I do have an answer rather than the sheer numbers that are signing up for ski club is large and that is a revolving account so is that number you show for the year Dr Gilson or is that money that's been in there for several years uh let's see I think we were looking at money that is um an annual um fee that is being taken in or an annual um annual revenue and expenses going out I will say that um expenses going out for ski club again you have transportation costs involved um and also to the other thing that I did not know is that for drama you have to pay for the copyright fee for the script so that's an added expense um but then again you also I do not know if the drama club charges a fee for uh the events that they their Productions Mr Sandry do you are they charging a fee I think we charge $4 for students to see yeah okay okay so those are like parallel to the game receipts that we would take with not L when we I'm sorry yeah Mr beard so I have a number of questions but just some more fact-based questions at this point when we're showing for example in the middle school it's a pay as you go program as opposed to an Allin um obviously there are some there are some additional costs here that are going to students in the way of like ski club and the DC trip we are they they're paying for whatever the cost is of the club right so the lift tickets at malus it or whatever that is right as well as an activity fee to pay the advisor is that and that's baked in together and I'm assuming the same goes for the DC trip no I think they are paying for the club for the supervision on the mountain I think parents are picking up the lift tickets that $43 they paying as they go do not include that right I understand it doesn't include it I just didn't know if there was like a an all-in cost on the front end or it's a pay as you go or or something that I believe it's pay as you go okay and obviously we've seen the numbers associated with the Washington DC trip it's substantially more than $43 um but is that $43 built into each each of those 132 students that we're that we're collecting um yes I believe so okay okay um so a couple of thoughts here take it oh oh I do have a a two more questions I'm sorry um there the the split in approach from a Allin versus a pay as you go is there a a logical history to that or do do you know does anybody know like why it's one thing in the middle school and another thing in high school well I think when the middle school was split that we didn't have as many activities as when we came together as a middle and a high school so it didn't make sense to do a user fee I'm not sure many middle schools do a full out Student Activity fee yeah and when I joined the high school in 2021 an activity fee had been the standard but we were doing and I believe it is for those um those uh stiens for um homecoming for those for these class advisors okay so the the answer is more or less which is okay because we've always done it that way yes which is fine um the second question is there there's been some narrative some of which has been repeated on the single source of all truth in lunenberg which is Facebook um that there's some question in terms of the legality of applying an all-in uh activity feed right like can we legally require every student coming to a public school school pay a minimum anti per year can I provide a common sense answer if you want to find a lawyer that will take your case for contesting a $55 fee there are bigger problems in your life than the $55 fee well I I mean there's a lot of stuff in the law that's not we do a lot of things that we would rather not do but we do them because we have an obligation to follow the law as a school committee sure so so I'm asking this as a school Committee Member not as somebody who would likely bring suit against the town for $55 okay I mean like the reality is you can get go to court for anything for any reason and the Practical bar that I just mentioned prohibits or eliminates a vast majority of nonsensical lawsuits right if you had to uh you know if you could go to court and make it work for 50 $5 our our legal system would collapse and so I don't know if there's ever going to be a specific answer I think there probably would be one that says yes but without doing the research I wouldn't want to say I just think that like Facebook is a terrible Cesspool of garbage and I'm just using this as a I I understand but like they always go to Crazy extremes and the crazy extreme is is this legal and it's like really does it matter well yeah I think it does actually why and and the reason why it matters is because the reason that we are here is to provide a free public education sure and if you're charging $55 it's not free I mean that that it's just a it's just that basic principle right like we're not paying I'm not paying tuition to send my kid to St Bernard's I'm sending him for free to lunberg and but I'm not sending him for free I'm sending him for $55 plus our mandate is a free appropriate public education it is not drama club there that is not part of our our mandate from the Supreme Court but you have to we also have an equity requirement and a whole bunch of other things right I get it I get it okay so you have more question in not sufficiently answered in my opinion but but it is what it is um so I would add that I mean we are audited by a state auditor or you know every year and they have not brought up has come all right well that's that's actually a very good answer one thing that I might throw out there for consideration and maybe we didn't ask the right question um it appears as though there are many districts that aren't charging a Student Activity feed but they might be charging um of class dues each year I know that's what I had to pay when I was in high school years correct so I don't know if there if they're charging a class dues fee that is incorporating their facilitation of some of their Student Activities so a couple of thoughts now in in addition to my questions um first of all I don't think all activity are created equal um some have greater value and from that value sometimes there needs to come a greater cost um and I you know there there's one outlier here that we're spending almost $100 per student on in in the Middle School whereas others were spending you know less than 20% of that um and I I just wonder like is that the right way to come at that um you know you're charging you're charging a kid $43 or a kids family $43 for Art Club at relatively no cost or very low cost and science oiad we're busing kids back and forth to Harvard and and all of the additional carrying costs that come with that um so I I wonder about that um there are other things like you know $43 to add a to be able to afford the stipend for the adviser for the Washington DC trip like in my mind like that is the greatest value of all time like you know when you consider the amount of work and and the supervision that they provide um so for whatever that's worth I would encourage you to think about that and and I would not be opposed to applying some cost leveling to the middle school fees um secondly on principle I I don't think that some families should be paying the freight for other families through user fees through fees so and and and I'm the guy that insisted that when we when we put the when we when we changed the fees for athletics a few years ago before I was even on the school committee insisted that we add some some means testing to this and and connect it to um um connected to uh uh free lunch calculus and that sort of thing uh and then insisted that we in try it in policy so I I strongly believe that families that are meeting the those qualifiers we should not be charging for anything um that being said because my kid participates I don't know that I should be subsidizing that cost more than anybody else in the town of Lun lunenberg just because my kid is participating so I think that as you're looking at the total cost I think that we do have an obligation to absorb the costs associated with those 90 o students in the high school um through the local budget um I don't know how else to put it uh but I think I think that that is fair um lastly I would add um and applying the same principle to the athletic user fees because yes the same principle is happening there I I I concur now I am not against raising any fees given the situation that in financially the financial reality that we're in but I think that the town and the school Department's proportion be prop portion be proportional to whatever where we are um um waving uh for for fees that would otherwise be paid um and then you know my last comment is um and I've made this a hundred times and I think you all know it you can probably guess what I'm going to say parents get parents are reaching into their pockets all the time um and and so we need to be very I just got an email today the track and field uh uh booster club is going to be doing a snap raise you know coming up uh and and that's probably going to cost me a couple hundred dollars you know like that's just the way it's going to go right we are always reaching into our pockets um and so any any time that we are looking at increasing those fees we are increasing the burden on families uh and I think we need to be very Mindful and careful about that thank you Miss asabo I I think that I agree with Peter that not all activities are created equal and that some probably should have a lesser amount charged and some should have a greater amount charged particularly in the area of stiens um you know if if your activity is once a week for 12 weeks it's not the same as something that like student government is like all the time you know so so those should be weighed and kids should be charged different amounts for that at the middle school at the high school I think I have said several times I do not believe in kids paying this activity feed blanketly knowing that some kids never use the activities that doesn't seem right to me they pay class dues and they don't go to anything and they pay um this activity fee and the only thing that they do is graduate that doesn't seem right to me it has never sit with me I mean my kids paid their fees one used it all the time one never used it so um that's just my comment on it but the the end result is we have to pay for this stuff this is very important to to our high school students and our middle school students it's very important to their development and I think I think Peter's comment of well we do it that way because that's how we've always done it I don't know how to change it but I think it it's a good thing to look at I I wish I had ideas um on on how to make it better and how to make it more Equitable but um yeah those are my comments not much health so one idea in looking at the money and understanding the explanation was provided about how some make profits and some don't if we had a tier where you know there was like basically break it down between those that require transportation and those that don't or those that have extraordinary predictable extraordinary costs and those that don't I think that you know making the fee tailored to more tailored to what you do would both answer Carol's concern about not having people pay for other people but also answer Peter's concern about legality you know if you want your if you want to do Science Olympiad and it's more expensive because you get transported to Harvard every day every competition then I think that you have to understand that that's going to take more money and I you know like I think that the idea that you know we can't subsidize everyone is true but there are some of these events that you can't have them run unless you have a certain number of people I don't know I I've been as we were talking I never heard of science lipad so I was like Wikipedia it as we were talking to figure out how big the team has to be it seems like 40 is more than what's required but you can't compete without a certain number of people and some of these are are probably pretty similar like unless we want to do one man performances or one person performances drama club needs more than one person and so like I think we've just got to understand that like at the end of the day there's no way to do this without having some people subsidized and whether that's subsidized by the school or subsidized by the town ultimately it's still all taxpayer money so we're just going to subsidize people and if that bothers people then you know the alternative is none of these things exist um the other option that I I'm thinking of is what if every every Club has to be self-sufficient we charge fees to make the club self-sufficient we charge fees to make the sports team self-sufficient and if they can't do that then we don't need them I know that sounds terrible but if we're really talking about if people on Facebook are crazy enough to talk about suing the school district for $55 maybe we just say fine they're all self-sufficient deal with that and then that answers everybody's concerns about fairness no one's subsidizing anybody that they're not participating in every team pays its own way we are not taxing the taxpayers more we are not asking for something out of the budget I just think that like one of the problems with all of these things is we've got to understand that like at the end of the day we're a community and like it might be that you have to pay a little more than what you think is fair for your kid to make the the activity or the team work because all of these are collective activities right you know like none of these are things that only one person does and I think that we should either raise the fees across the board go to a pay as you go model based on you know a two-tier system or go as go to a pay as you go model that is designed to make the club self-sufficient and then you know if parents don't want that that's fine but there's been at least there's been a discussion because I think that continuing to do something the way we've always done it is a bad policy per it means that no one is actually making the decision we're just defaulting and having the decision made by somebody in 1957 that set up the system and I I don't see why that's good especially if the system is costing us money um I I I would prefer to do the middle of the three things that I outlined which is pay as you go but broken down by you know ones that require extraordinary costs and ones that don't and that way we kind of make it not self-sufficient but at least it it doesn't have the burn of you know paying for people that did nothing like when I was in high school I literally did nothing at my school my school was 45 minutes away on a great day I had no desire to travel an extra two hours to do one thing and I did stuff in my hometown and so it was it was silly for me to have these fees but you know we paid them and I think that you know Carol's point is a good one why are we paying for things if no one participates but I also think like I said before Collective Endeavors are going to require some some some form of subsidization I would agree with my colleagues um I think there there is a a lot of differences between a lot of the clubs again Science Olympiad and different busing uh clubs where my first thought was fundraising but I think that's you never know what you're going to get with fundraising from the clubs and the students so fundraising would be ideal to to try to have the the club's fundraise but I think more likely it's more likely a fee that fits with the particular club and I feel like the enrollment similar to sports is probably pretty stable where they're going to see probably similar numbers so we can get some decent numbers on that but that's where I would like to see it go as a a fee and I think the same thing at the high school level I think it's I would agree with Miss arshambo that a fee for all doesn't make a lot of sense I think it makes more sense for a fee with the activities that you're doing if you're doing a ski club or sow board Club it would make sense you're paying your fee so can I just offer one additional thought on the the blanket approach to the high school which is Tony made a point last night about floats and you know I would I would put drama in the same category the competitive class plays these are these are things that are very important to the Social Development of a large segment of kids um they're very important to building class as spre decor and and and um uh and and that ultimately translates to building long-term relationships social emotional health and our kids not necessarily wanting to come to school but not dreading coming to school right in some cases and I I those things are paid for by that $55 and I think that it's going to be really hard to get a kid to come to float meeting if they're a kid that comes to one or two or three float meetings in a homecoming season if they got to come up with $55 or or some some you know percentage there up probably $55 because when you start doing the the math of all of this and a lower participation rate it's going to increase the cost so there is absolutely a benefit to spreading the cost here right and and just I get that um I just it's it's hard to address the problem of that kid that is not going to participate and why are they subsidizing the cost of of everybody else um it's it's not a it's not a slam dunk in either direction so I just want to just a clarifying question if I may maybe Dr Gilson could help me or members of the committee the two-tiered approach that you've discussed with busing or no busing additional funds for the busing is that work that begins with my school advisory counsel in my handbook or is that work that starts with you is that something that I present to you that you will approve just in order we have begun those discussions at least at the Middle School of Science I think feel free to jump in other committee members but I think we're looking for a proposal from from you from your advisory that would get us more financially stable with fees and revenue I do not think that this should be changed without the consent of the school committee so and I understand we we we ultimately approve the handbooks but we don't take as active a role in the handbooks as the advisory committees and your you and your staffs I think this is something that ultimately needs to be approved by the school committee I think I I think those two proposal what was just said are mutually compatible yes so I think it's helpful to know what parents W and then yeah oh yeah you know like if everybody's angry then we screwed this up I mean it doesn't seem like everybody's angry right now it just seems like we're losing money so like eventually they'll be angry it's you know future School committee's problem but like having a proactive approach I think begins with soliciting opinions from parents and kids and faculty advisers and then coming to us and say like here's what here's a consensus even if there's not like a consensus solution like here are the groups here's the ideas that they have because I just don't know enough I mean I I'll be honest I have no idea how much any of these fees are my wife runs the show so like I just I do what she tells me yeah I think just looking at the numbers the alarming thing for me is at the high school level the $55 activity fee bringing in a revenue of about $20,000 and the anticipated stien expenses are getting close to $40,000 that means we could potentially double that activity fee to $110 to cover the expenses that I think would be alarming to parents yeah so I'm hoping that you have some could feedback from us to take to the advisory yes aw thank you thank you all right next item of the agenda is a discussion on legislative delegation so I do not have any I don't have much for updates here I did talk I did reach out to the select board chair that he is planning to have a a legislative public meeting um after the new year uh but I don't know he doesn't have a date set yet um that's all I have at this point any other discussion on legislative delegation all right moving on the next it of the agenda is school committee resolutions so this is somewhat connected to the legislative delegation that we are able to make resolutions um could be connected to the legislation and the legislators um so I did put uh in the folder some potential resolutions so from the masc they publish resolutions um that some committees School committees will either adopt or they could revise uh this committee the lunenberg school committee has had resolutions in the past and has also revised uh masc resolutions so before I drafted a bunch of resolutions I did I wanted to have a a sense of what the committee was looking for also in regards to the masc ones there are other ones too like the current social security issue with at the national level um committees could make a resolution of that as well so these are some examples uh obviously the mcast high stakes mcast test testing resolution has already somewhat passed its uh date but a lot of the other ones could potentially be useful we could use use them revise them I am open to suggestions I think some of them are connected to I mean looking through the list when I looked through the list earlier today resolution seven and resolution 8 seemly things that we have talked about at nauseum and so I think putting those things uh in front of the uh legislative uh delegation as resolutions I don't know if it it helps but it certainly can't hurt us I mean it just seems seems to me that we've got to do something I mean again the cost of busing came up and you know Chapter 70 we've talked about that a 100 thousand times Peter brought it up tonight we we know these are problems yeah I think it it's good to again keep that communication open and showing them that we're still paying attention to this and this is what we care about other discussion no I would agree with that um the other thing and I don't know how this fits but the other thing is that we have talked about forever is unfunded mandates if there be some kind of I know there's something further down here about full funding on Transportation costs for students in foster care and state care that costs a tremendous amount of money and it is an unfunded man date so things like that I think might also I I agree with the other two of the Tony had said because that's important but also the unfunded mandate issue I think is important I agreed um I I think what is probably more important than a resolution with a lot of whereases is we need to put a number and an effect on these things um you know make it more of a personal lunenberg cost to lunenberg right dragging your feet on Chapter 70 has effectively cost us this much money because the town is supplementing what the state isn't doing and there's probably probably pretty simple math that we can do to come up with that number over a 5year period over a threeyear period one year period whatever um unfunded mandate same thing um and and I think selectman Jeff kind of brought that up a little bit last night in his commentary um I I think we have got to going into this year's budget season in particular begin to kind of put a number on these things right so if you're looking at for example um he brought up the uh Desi requirements on the um the uh IEP uh process and and fors and meetings and all that kind of thing if we know that this is requiring x amount of hours and meeting time and Document Preparation time and all of that kind of thing we need to put a number on these things and say hey look this is what regulation has cost us over a period of last year to this year or you know ideally over a number of years um and you you could you know theoretically you could do the same thing for busing right what does a busing mile per kid cost in lunberg versus a busing mile per kid cost in Townsen because they get State regionalization money and we don't um I I think that those are the things that really need to personalize this for lunenberg thanks I think that that uh some useful discussion and I can draft up some resolutions that are more lunenberg specific take the Mac language and adjust any other discussion all right moving on to reports and you just go down the line if you have any reports uh when I was thinking about reports before I came in tonight I was thinking that uh I need to up my bargaining rate for school community Duty uh by a significant percentage because I put in a lot of meetings the last couple of weeks um so the um uh the town manager uh screening committee met twice last week uh for a total of I believe about eight or eight and a half hours over two nights um and we interviewed uh six candidates and uh push put forward or are in the process of putting forward uh three finalists to the select board uh and they will be uh interviewed in early to mid January I believe is the the timing for that those public or private um I don't know if I was in and out of the select board meeting last night I don't believe they were made public yet they were not um so um they will be um the process is such that um the uh screening interviews are done in executive session uh the screening committee comes up with a list of finalists uh those finalists need to accept and agree to being brought into a public finalist uh interview round uh and then those need to be scheduled and so that is the process that we are in right now um and I believe that the the names and the times of those interviews will be announced in early January um so that was uh really great and I'm I'm uh very optimistic uh with the uh the candidates the overall quality of candidates I thought was excellent um and uh and I'm I'm really optimistic about the three candidates that are finalists so um and we did not have as many applicants as we had hoped had anticipated it was a little bit smaller pool of applicants but in fact the quality of those applicants was quite good so we're really pleased and I think that spending $155,000 on oper money to bring in a consulting firm those guys have more than earned their money and they've done a really good job for us so very very appreciative um last night the uh Capital planning committee met and approved our recommendation to the town manager for the capital prior I ization list for FY 26 uh there were um there were uh excuse me 25 items on that list um and I'll just give you some highlights in terms of where School related uh items are uh number two was the primary school feasibility study for entry and driveway expansion uh number six was the primary school Design Services for playground equipment number seven was the Turkey Hill Elementary School hot water tank um number 14 was the primary school generator number 15 was the replacement of security cameras and Central server uh and number 19 was the primary school window safety film um so pretty good spread n 19 was the lowest school rating uh out of 25 um the the net effect this year uh so a couple of things have happened from a funding perspective since we last met um I mentioned that at a meeting a couple of weeks ago a Carter had come in and estimated that the funding level would be around 1.1 million um an error was discovered in the free cash calculus and our certified free cash came out considerably higher than what was anticipated and as a result of that uh Carter has estimated that there's probably at least another quarter of a million dollars that will go to Capital um and um and so that'll bring us probably to a floor of about 1.3 5 million um and uh so that could depending upon how the town manager recommendations role uh could see us getting funding for nearly everything uh on our list the way it worked this year was that the lower cost items Rose to the top and the higher cost items kind of fell to the bottom with a couple of exceptions the town hall windows were expensive and there was a six- wheeel dump truck for the DPW you um Carter just put out an email to the committee uh uh this evening and um has you know his initial thinking right now uh may give us the opportunity where when you take the arpa items that have already been funded um and what remained on our request you know I would say the safety film is probably on the bubble at this point but we we we're we're in the running for potentially running the table on Capital this year now all of that being said arpa was a huge contributor right directly paid for two items the window film here and dump truck plow but also is paying for DPW infrastructure projects that would have otherwise been on this year's Capital plan requests that did not show up to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars and so you've got that you actually have a rising tide effect on the year's Capital plan where uh we were able to you know I think we ultimately we will do a lot better than I had anticipated even even a month or two ago so um all toll I'm I'm really pleased with the outcome uh the capital planning committee will be meeting uh in January again uh and we have a a punch list of things that we want to discuss which are more long-term landing on recommendations for department heads for a 5-year Capital plan a report to town town meeting some policy uh recommendations and a few other things so we'll try to have at least three or four meetings prior to town meeting uh for that uh and then lastly the um High School advisory committee met last Thursday I was traveling last week uh and was not able to attend that particular meeting um but they did discuss uh a number of items including the cell phone uh policy um for which they recommended that um that no formal policy uh be adopted and that it be uh remitted to a handbook discussion um I've had some email communication with um Mr santry and um Miss tuy not I I don't agree with that outcome and uh I I intend to continue to to raise that issue with them in regard great news about the capital plan I I did have a question about the capital planning for the primary school generator did they get the updated number on that uh no I was what I not we were working against 171 right we had an updated quote that came in a good bit north of 171 that was my word yeah yeah oh I think I might missed that is part of one of our um I don't know if it was the last month's um um facility report we give we give a facility report update um at the first meeting each month um okay I may have I may have spaced that that may be my fault um I was thinking of the overrun the overrun that we had to contend with is the uh fire suppression not the generator so that may require some additional conversation I think the the the difference there is that the the overrun with the um the fire alarm system is that that Capital money is already been allocated and is not going to be sufficient whereas the generator is a future project that hadn't been approved all right I will advise the committee and Carter on that um I think ultimately this is going to have to come down to the to the uh the good judgement of the town man manager when it comes to Capital planning um I I don't anticipate that that is something that will be absorbed and I apologize I I missed that no it's okay I was watching the YouTube and I had saw the number and I just remembered it was that seemed off okay okay um the Middle School advisory Council met on the 10th and they decided decided that they thought that for the school calendar we should next year we should go to school on the 22nd a full day the 23rd a half day um so that we don't have the two full weeks off at Christmas time the winter vacation um they decided that the cell phone use policy was very similar conversation was very similar to what you you are saying um said that the high school has a limited cell phone policy just don't use it in class but the teachers control whether the cell phone is used in classroom for Education the middle school has a zero po uh tolerance policy the cell phone is supposed to be off and in your backpack um it was felt by the group that that decision should be made at the school level and not a policy here um that's what the discussion was uh the DC update so far they have about 40 students signed up the 15th of January is the deadline that is typical for this far out people usually wait till after the holiday to sign up they are able to give some scholarships for about 50% of the cost he had um been contacted by I think nine families requesting need for scholarship help the PTO said they would help with some um monies as well he also has contacted kids who haven't families that haven't gone in the past couple of years to figure out if it was a money thing or the child had already been there or the child doesn't want to go away from home or whatever and he found about 50% of the kids that didn't go it wasn't money so he wants to pursue um ways to make sure that that is more Equitable and he also talked about guidance Staffing the guidance counselor was on leave and she is back now and the social worker was on leave and she resigned and so they're hiring for that position so that is the information from the Middle School um finc con is meeting tomorrow night um the budget task force concluded its work on Monday Dr Burnham Dr Gilson and Rene's on select board so she was there uh Ezekiel and I uh were attended yesterday's meeting of the select board where we presented the findings um there was an executive summary that was written um it was a team effort a lot of the stuff that came in was from Ezekiel a lot of the stuff that came in was from Dr Burnham's meticulous note taking and then there was a lot of feedback from Renee um we had about an hour and a half to discussion at like select board I mean I got home at like 9:30 so it was a wide ranging discussion uh we talked about all kinds of stuff um we did Veer into the topic of why schools increasingly expensive and I did my very best to provide us a defense I don't know if it worked uh and I really hope and I contacted Dr Burnham today to make sure did I like screw anything up did I say anything was like totally crazy I had not anticipated that question it was not related to the budget task force but I'm always happy to talk to people about why schools are expensive and how important they are in the community um I think the feedback from the budget task force findings was like none of this is surprising thank you for getting here um I do think that one of the things that everybody was most interested in was the CPA um I think that CPA is the very best way for us to avoid a catastrophe as a town and I also think that CPA is something that we could pass I I'm concerned about an override what is the CPI oh sorry the community preservation act it's a it's a program it's a matching fund program where the state uses revenue generated by the registry of deeds to match funds expended by towns so long as the towns expend at least 10% in three different areas which are preservation of historic buildings parks and uh preserv uh updating and maintenance of parks and then affordable housing um there are 200 towns in the state that do CPA uh of the 25 towns that initially did it when the Act was first passed all 25 still do it we have a ton of money that we are going to spend as a community both in the school and in the town in general that will be eligible for reimbursement from the CPA and so I basically told the board and anybody that watch that CBA is like do you want to do this Home Improvement before and get the the rebate or after and not get the rebate because we have to do these improvements anyway so uh hopefully there will be some uh will among the body politic to look at the CPA more closely a lot of the other recommendations were things that are started you know already in the works um the one thing that we did recommend that I think everybody agreed with was we need to have some kind of uh diagnostic audit for the town there's just too many crazy Finance and Accounting practices and too many things that are unac accounted for for us to not do something like that especially if sometime in the near future we're going to go to the taxpayers and ask for an override for the town um I did point out and I think this is true that the appetite for an override or the ability to pass something like that or like the CPA has changed and I think that the the core group of people uh that organized past the override for the school prove that there is a will for real change in the town that may not have existed 5 years ago or 10 years ago and it doesn't mean that those people have to do the CPA thing again I think that would be unfair but it is to say that like everybody said it was impossible and shashana civil TJ Mandy and all the other people involved they did it even people on that stage that I was talking to said it was impossible and they did it so I think that we need to recognize that we exist in a different space than we did five or 10 years ago so I'm glad it's done it was a lot of work uh everybody was really great it was interesting to meet different people from all different parts of the Town um and I think that the split tax rate is a crying shame because big companies take up big resources and they get taxes at the same rate as everybody else but I will not do that rant again for like the 50 millionth time thank you yeah thank you for your work on the committee and chairing the committee I know the uh the PTO will be glad that it's it's over yes I'm I am so looking forward to going back to PTA it's so much less depressing oh and I did see in the news that naq is actually looking for about an approximately $8 million override potentially uh the lunberg municipal building design met on Monday we had the architect come with their initial proposal draft their first draft very rough draft um they were actually combining the schools and school offices in the riter building with other offices and we had talked about how it's probably going to the school's probably going to have to take up the whole building um they want to do an addition or the um the Ritter expansion on the on the side um kind of towards the the old primary school and it would be like a a walkway currently they had a twf floor walkway to connect probably like a 30 40 foot walkway that would go across to both floors of the Ritter um and that's where all the other Town Offices would be um but it was a very rough draft not aesthetic Ally pleasing nobody liked the design but the Architects appreciated the feedback and they're going to come back in January with uh taking all that feedback that we gave them and uh come up with another draft and uh we're going to try to get more public feedback uh after after that draft or if people want to come to the meetings too they can check out the the presentations from the The Architects that's all I had the next item on the agenda is public comment do have any public comment from the public there's no public seeing none any public comment from the committee Mr AR I just want to thank Mr school and brini for his fine job of of shepherding the budget task force when um I saw the small window of time I thought Tony will get it done in that small window of time so um you were the proper person for the job and I thank you very much as well as Dr Burnham and and Dr gillson for all that time it was it's a lot of time but I it was very important work and I thank you very much I just want to add that I thought the tree lighting uh went really well great Community effort and it was great to see so many people there too any else all right topics for future discussion anything you'd like to add for a future agenda I can always reach out to myself and Dr Burnham if not I'll look for a motion to adjourn at 8:22 p.m. yes piss poop say it do it I'll make a motion to adjourn at 8:22 p.m. I'll second that any discussion all in favor say I I I oppose we are adjourned thank you awesome oh