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All right, good afternoon Lunenburg. Welcome to the new Sewer Commission's Tuesday, July 14th, 2026 hybrid meeting at the DPW in Lunenburg. Uh it the time is

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6:07 p.m. And we're going to start with a uh call to order and uh pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the flag of the United States of America and to

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the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right, we're going to call the meeting to order. It is, as we stated, uh 6:08 p.m. now. I'm Scott Doll, the

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vice chairman of the Sewer Commission. Uh let's see. In accordance with the requirements of the open meeting law, please be advised that this meeting of the Sewer Commission is is being recorded and will be able to be found on the Lunenburg Access YouTube channel after the meeting. The following information is provided

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and enter the web ID 831-872-49940. If you've not registered for Zoom, you'll be asked for your name and your email address. Note, no participant ID is needed, just press pound when asked. I will do a roll call to confirm that

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all members and persons uh anticipated on the agenda are present and can hear me. Uh members, when I call your name, please respond in the affirmative. Uh Arthur Katis. >> Here. >> Dan Proctor. >> Here. >> Chip Wilson? >> Here.

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>> Brett Remsen is not here and not online, I believe. Not online. And Scott Doll, I am here. Uh staff, when I call your name, please respond in the affirmative. Uh Bill Bernard? >> I'm here. >> Andrew Valer? >> Here. >> And Jane Ranley?

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>> She's not online. >> on. >> She's not on? >> Uh-uh. >> All right, Arthur's in charge of minutes. Um All right, we can start with uh public comment. Do we have any public >> There's no public comment. >> There is no public and no Jay.

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Uh all right, so let's Let's move on to to current business. Um we do need to Did anybody peruse the uh minutes uh Andrew sent out the other day from the June 30th meeting?

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>> I did. I make a motion to accept the minutes. >> We have a motion. Do we have a second? >> Second that. >> All right, we can start with a vote to accept the minutes of the June 30th meeting. Uh let's see, Chip Wilson? >> Aye. >> Dan Proctor? >> Aye. >> Arthur Catus?

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>> Aye. >> And an aye for myself. That passes swimmingly. Uh let's see. All right, so now we will turn it over to Bill and Andrew for our

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business manager and director updates. Let's start with the fiscal year 2007 grease trap permits. >> Uh so all the permits for this coming year went out. Um I haven't received any back. The only one I got back was for um Ruby Donuts. So, I'm waiting on everyone

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else that has a grease trap to uh put their permit back in so they can have >> Good for them they're doing >> Yeah, they're probably good for this year. >> The donuts are fantastic. >> fantastic. >> Yeah, good donuts. >> Yeah, those just went out at the beginning of July. >> Yep, July 1st. >> Yep, I'll get to only one back.

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>> Yep, only I have one back so >> Yeah, that's good. >> I'll get my two days a 7. >> When are they When are they due? >> They're due on August 32nd. Yeah, August 3rd because >> So that's a typical 30 day >> Yep.

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>> Uh let's see. Um I don't think we need to worry about anything >> Give me one second. How many are there? Do you know? >> I don't >> Um about 12. >> Yeah, about 12 of them. Not a lot. >> Not a lot, yeah. No, I'm still not even sure uh

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What are they just before the drain? >> Huh? >> Big grease traps or >> Um yeah, that's so I mean they're basically under three base sinks or um yeah, you know, interceptors external. Yeah, they have Yeah, all that. >> It's just accepting It's just a fee basically covering the actual that's

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going to be flowing through or is it a separate clean out? >> No, it's uh it's a fee so they have and they have to report it, you know, they have to report their grease logs to me every month and it gets documented. >> And those are just restaurant grease traps, correct? Those are not oil water

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separators. >> No, those are different. Those are separate traps. Okay. >> Got it. >> Uh well, you figure a couple years I'd probably ask at some point. >> But I mean that's huge because that's a lot of problems that you have. >> Is it grease? >> Yeah. >> Further question, but do you get them from the school for the cafeterias?

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>> Um they just They said they clean theirs out in June. I'll have to um probably ask what's his name, Chris, cuz he did reach out and he's supposed to send me back my log um but >> Cuz I know Brett had told me that the mass ave pump station down by Townsend Ave where they had a lot of problems

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with that one and really the only grease that would be going into that would be the the school. >> Um I don't think they had any too much grease issues there. >> Not in that one? >> No. >> Okay. So >> I'm still waiting for the schools up, but >> Yeah, that Mass Ave ordinance.

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, do we have any more comments on grease trap permits? All right, we can slide over to the 990 Mass Ave expansion of use. Uh we'll go to Bill and see what he's

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got. What do we have? >> the direction was >> Um what's that? I don't think right now we we did leave it on here just because you know, in case we had something else after, but we don't until we meet with the council. >> That's the one we need to get in front of council. Yeah.

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>> And I we're waiting for that. >> Our brakes a little bit, right? >> Yeah, just a little bit. >> What are the fees? >> And the yes, fees for it. >> Yeah, we're going to ask town council if we could and if so, how we would word it. >> Right. >> Make it like stick moving

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>> forward, right? >> Yeah, or if we needed to go bylaw. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, and how like how how can we do it? >> To avoid the two property coming in as one. >> Well, just to clarify. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I'm sorry. Accordingly four. >> Yeah, that's all right. Whatever we agree to. >> We're going to be tracking. >> Yeah, right.

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>> So, we're meeting with town council. I think it's Wednesday next week. >> Okay, great. >> Yeah, I think so. >> Okay. >> Good. >> Um do we know the deadline for um the next vote? Or the next town vote if he does tell us to go that town meeting?

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>> Yeah, tell me to go. >> It'd be no bad burrows >> Yeah, I don't know when the kind of all this is like in a week. >> Is it mid-August or something? Oh, it is in July. All right. I didn't know like the warrants are at the same time. >> back to the person and that paid one and and if it came in and >> No.

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>> It'd be grandfathered. It'd be grandfathered. And even then it would still be a while before even if we did want that route and it was town vote, even if it passed and then it's still okay then after that and even then you'd have pending or people

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get the word out and they're going to come in before that. So >> I guess my big thing on that is in our charge policy and I number one it says a minimum residential connection charge of $39 shall be assessed of each dwelling unit as

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defined by the Lunenburg bylaw. >> [clears throat] >> Connecting the sewer. Each separate unit of a multi-family dwelling shall constitute a separate residential connection. >> Correct. >> Yeah, so isn't that what we have on Mass Ave? Isn't it a multi-family? >> already in the the bylaws, right?

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>> What no that house? No, it's a single family. >> But it's two condos, correct? 99 >> Well, that's I believe what they were were going to the zoning board for. Initially it was >> right now it's just a regular house. >> It was a single >> Yeah, I'd go check with them on that.

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>> It was a single family and I believe the permit was just pulled for extension of use but one bedroom. >> For that one, yeah. >> Not not splitting. Yeah, it was going for three bedrooms to four bedrooms but as a single dwelling but we had no wording

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>> The other dwelling is not it's it's not a separate unit yet. >> We were going to check with the building department to see what they had to say about it. >> All right, well that wasn't the answer I got from the building inspector. >> He he said that was a a two-family. >> Okay. >> It's >> Yeah, it's set up to be a two-family.

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>> Right. So if it's a two-family, should they not be paying another $3,900? Isn't that what that says? >> if that's what the construction is now but if we didn't have it and it was just the single address, you know, I think that's what we were talking about before but driving by it looks like a

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single-family home. >> Well, it does. >> Yeah. >> I mean Jimmy's taking it out but in the plans it's it's Yeah, it's two >> It's a two-family. >> Two-family, yeah. >> Right. So that's what it got permitted for. >> Well, I mean And bottom line is when they come in front of the sewer to tie into the sewer, obviously you saw the

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building plan, right? >> Right. Well, when he tied in >> He hasn't He hasn't tied in yet. >> No, he did that. >> He did He did tie in. >> But that was before >> That was before. >> He submitted his building permit to make it into a two-family. >> The funeral home? What are you talking?

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>> Oh, no. No, no. 990 is It's Yeah, it's not even that far. It's literally two houses past What is that? Leominster Road in South Yeah, come across of Lancaster Ave. and go down. >> Sorry. It's a slightly different property. >> Yeah. No, that was more of a

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Um Sorry, that was That >> We pulled those. >> Yeah, I don't even think it's >> Oh, yeah. The Harrington property you're talking about. >> Yeah. That one I think they more up against trying to get the two-family that they're in that the village

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district in South Ave. >> Okay. >> I I don't I don't know. I just know that I thought that's why they were going to the zoning board. >> Okay. The funeral home, though. Let's talk about that. >> The funeral home, they got their two mailboxes up. I've only seen the one listing.

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>> Was that charged for two units? >> They haven't applied yet. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> They do have their cones lined out. Uh the property line. >> No, I believe it From remembering the map, it looks like they're tying in. It looks like those like you said but the

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property lines but where they were going to run the pipes to Mass Ave. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> two >> Right. So >> Well, they didn't As a dig safe from Mass Ave. >> Right. So Bob's doing the work in the highway. >> Right. >> And John Esposito is going to do the tie in

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but we haven't got an application yet to tie in. >> Okay. >> No. >> They got that fiber line application? >> Yeah. >> Did that system pass the title five inspection? I'm just curious. >> Yeah. I doubt it. It's got septic. >> I know it. I know it. I know it. It's got to be done.

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Or it shouldn't have. >> And I I can't even remember >> to the sale but >> No, I understand that. >> I can't even remember what the original plans were. >> Most of those stakes that are in the field are all property line stakes. >> Yeah. Yeah, but remember how they had they staked it down but I couldn't remember

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if that one were they running the easement were they trying to run an easement for the second property through Well, it worked out good. >> We did. We said no. >> No, we said no. So, that branch came in to where the >> I know. I'm just

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They I mean they they paved the driveway and everything. So, they're not >> Yeah, but all those sewers that's not they're not even on that section with the with the sewers going anyhow. >> I haven't seen any movement on that other side on the other side of the property. >> What about the ones across the street? The duplexes that are built across

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>> They haven't applied yet either. >> Are they the same builders or different builders? I guess what I guess I don't understand how they get a sewer how they get a building permit without we're not part of the checklist. the sewer department >> They were here. They were here. >> Yeah, right.

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>> They did a presentation but they never >> They That's then >> They applied they wanted the easement. We said yes in that case but they haven't applied to connect yet. >> Okay. So, when the sewer when the building permit application goes to the town do they just ask you

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is there sewer there and they're okay and you check it off even though they haven't applied for it? Is that how that works? >> Yeah. >> Well, that's kind of weird. I mean most most towns would they wouldn't allow it until you guys bust got that money. Right? >> Right. >> So, the building permit

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>> They can't they can't get a certificate of occupancy without paying the money and connecting the fee, right? >> Right. >> Paying the fee. >> Right. >> Yeah, I need to yeah. >> I can go back six but >> I kind of I kind of agree with Dan too like if you go to pull a building permit like that's one of those

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not to make it more difficult for guys who want to build stuff but you know, having that be one of the things that needs to get checked off Well, in my mind I've seen that in another town. You know what I'm saying? But I mean I get you can't stop somebody from building on a buildable lot. And

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you can't really stop them from hooking up to a utility, right? I mean >> Pretty much, yeah. >> You can't. You know, they have every right to, you know. >> Right. Right. >> I mean I don't know. I just would like to see those applications when they come in.

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>> yeah, it's interesting cuz just because I you know, I don't trust builders >> You can go back six months >> I don't trust builders, but I don't trust builders. Okay? I mean I just, you know, I want to make sure that we can get, you know. I mean we have to. We just need the money. So we need all these connection fees. If

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they're a duplex in my mind, they should be paying two connection fees. You know, and then it also comes down to the privilege fees and then whether they're going to pay part of the betterment, correct? Because those condos are across the street with Stone Pond package. He probably paid the betterment. Stone

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Pond package one betterment. But now this six units going in where there was only one betterment charge. So in my mind they should be charged twice more betterments or five half betterments, right? Cuz that's what it is. It's a half betterment. >> For every additional property >> Yeah, it's going to be based on 330

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gallons per day or what have you, but that's that's really what should drive that whole thing. You agree? >> So if it's a duplex on one property would we charge I don't think we charge two betterments. >> Well, if it's private

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if it's private sale >> Right? Wouldn't you charge one additional betterment? If if you're I think I think we did that with you know, I'm at 7-11 Mass Ave. I think that's what we did. We did charge a yeah, betterment fee. >> For each unit? >> Yeah, individual unit.

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>> It makes sense. >> With the connection, right? Yeah. >> Well, I mean when you look at it right over the past 6 months. I can think of five presentations of one of those, and I think the only one that actually happened was

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uh with your son. We had the work over right next to me. >> Yeah. >> On Mass Ave. >> Yeah, the Tanner. >> Yeah, the Tanner Tanner Tanner let that easement go. And then that in turn that house sold right away. >> Right, but that house also paid the

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tie-in fee. >> No, no, no, I know. But but what all I'm saying is >> Yeah, yeah, no, I get it. >> we've had a lot of fishing expeditions and and nothing coming of it. >> For example, the last >> But again, I just think as a board and I

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I'm not blaming anybody cuz I was sitting here, too. But when those people, meaning Stone Farm Package told us when he came in front of us and he wanted to bring them all together, whatever, I feel like as a committee, we should have said to that gentleman at that time, "We'll allow you to just use that one

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stone. >> The stone, yeah. >> However, you are aware of the fact that you're going to pay two tie-in fees per unit, you know, time You know what I mean? I just thought would have been a >> Yeah, I I unfortunately

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I wasn't even aware, really, that it was so much of a thing that >> Making sure you can do that with town council. >> Well, it's in our regs already, right? We're not really We're not really changing anything. If we're all reading this the same way that I'm reading it. And this is just my opinion, but I just

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feel like, you know, um >> No, I I think part of our town council thing, too, was the rewording it as the if you're a street address. >> Mhm. >> Yeah, I think that was your initial proposal going back to the funeral home. >> Right, right.

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>> All right. But I mentioned to you, Bill, when I developed 1325 Mass Ave, okay, that property was charged to betterment. It was a single-family home. Then we subdivided it. The single-family home stayed at that time and then I developed the

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commercial. And then they did all the math for what I was developing and they hit me with another additional privilege fee which was half of the betterment plus the tie-ins for the gallons per day that that You know what I mean? So that whole thing goes another whole assessment

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>> Yeah. >> to the tune of almost 11 grand. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> So you know, I we're not out of what we have here and arranged to do. So I just want to make sure we're doing it. >> Yeah, you're right. I mean, if it's already there, that's missing money.

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>> Right. Because again >> Again, just that just that That's In theory, there's six units. So one of them paid. So there's five >> Five Five more units. >> 3,900 bucks. So you're talking almost 20 grand. >> You know.

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>> Plus the half privilege fees. >> What is a privilege fee? >> So it's half the betterment of the >> That's correct. So it's 50% of the betterment because again, you took a piece of property that already paid a betterment, but now you're making another property out of it. >> Yeah.

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>> So that's how that's written in the bylaw that you pay 50% of that last betterment. >> Was that the money that they earmarked for improvements? I forget. >> Yeah, I don't know where the money goes. >> The infrastructure improvements. >> Probably. >> Yeah. But when when is the half betterment

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privilege fee? Where does it >> No, the privilege fee. Yeah. >> Where does that money go? >> That doesn't go into the everyday budget. That goes into something that >> No, it it Yeah, that's where all the money goes. >> Okay. >> It's good. >> All right. >> This goes into our reserves and >> Reserves, yeah.

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>> You know, where we do our budget. >> Yeah. >> The money comes out of our reserves. >> Okay. >> So from this point on, are we catching this or is it this >> Well, I I guess I I assumed that those people had already made applications, but they haven't. So >> They haven't.

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>> Well, here I mean, the pound I like >> I I don't remember this and I've been here at least long enough that I think I would have saw it. Was there anything drawn out for those town homes that went across in the What is that a shale pile or something?

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I don't think I So that was just something that they came in paid a permit for you, right? >> What address is that? >> Uh that big church there across from the electric >> So again, they should have been >> Well, there's one, two, three. This

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This six of >> all the way down across the old street. One, two, three. >> Those They built all those things >> And they I saw them digging in and coming up there. >> Right. They already tied in. >> But like that's >> across from the church on Mass Ave.

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>> Is it two? I thought it was three. >> Only two. >> Okay. >> And so at this point, I think there might be another third one going in later. >> Well, there's still like probably the original >> Okay. >> But anyhow, there's four of them. And that property had a house on it. So they >> it's still there. That little like shed

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that's in the front. It's fun living here. >> No. Nothing. >> I forget So that's all I'm saying is that like that I saw that stuff start after I was here. And then but They don't have to come before us and ask and they can

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just But I I'm only looking at it that that was new construction. So that house seems like it's 100 yd set off of where the other houses are. So did they really go down and tie him down to there? And or did they come in and have a Yeah. Or did they get a

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new >> There's only one connection. >> Yeah. >> Correct. >> No, per unit. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So there's two connections. >> Two connections for four units. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> But they come out of a house into a manhole and then down the into the >> Okay. I'm not picking on that, but it

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just happened to be one that I drive by a lot. >> Well, twice. >> So there is actually two times they tied into the main. >> Yes. >> In the street. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> One for each. >> Right. Otherwise we're going to have to give them a

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an easement, right? And we're going to [clears throat] do that. >> And then I was so then going back to that, I was like, okay, well, what if we do we charge a betterment and a half and you know, or >> Well, again, if I'm reading it, that's exactly what they should have paid. They

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should have paid two tie-ins for each. So 30 >> And that's already included in the >> plus a half a betterment for a privilege fee. >> It looks like I'm right. >> Right. It's 30. >> [clears throat]

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>> So what is our role here? Are they Is every application supposed to come in front of us? I mean, you know what I mean? Like I I I don't know what's >> Well, again, we we can >> You can't chase it after

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>> Well, we can actually vote that if we wanted to. But as a committee, we as a committee, we want to see every application. So people will have to wait two weeks for their applications to come in front of us to if that's what we want. >> Will that help >> No, because I think they don't they have to put the people's name that they're

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going to be >> Yeah. >> Will that help with collecting fees though, even if we vote on it? Like >> Well, it did not you can't do get past No, no, no, I was saying so what our role here are we where all this new construction's going on and

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we already have the wording and we're missing it. What What do we do from here? Should we be you know, unfortunately like looking at having to hear every read every application or you know what I mean to make sure we're not

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we don't miss anything or you know. >> I think once we're >> We are Andrew and I should be able to handle it. [clears throat] >> That's what we do exactly. >> Oh no, and then look I didn't want to insinuate that I'm just saying if it's already if it's already there I'm saying what's our role in this cuz obviously we

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we can't really go after it. You know, after the fact you know, but at the same time we have all those protections for ourselves in more with the easements and everything but we have all those

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hurdles that they'd have to get to and I was like well there are hurdles on this part that we're missing you know, so >> So I know they applied before we went up in in price.

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>> Yeah, they did. >> While I was still here. >> Yeah. So it was a originally they paid before that and then that Alpha build design guy came through and it was already paid for in 2024. >> They don't want to cross them in church. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So what >> [clears throat]

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>> what they end up paying? >> I think. >> Well if follow was on it he full price I guarantee. >> I'm pretty sure like they did it's probably the paperwork that I don't have in here for it. >> So it goes >> I guess my point is that my question

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when you're saying you know I don't think we technically need to look at every application. >> Yeah. >> But again I just want to make sure we're all on the same page. And if these gentlemen feel like they need to just have a discussion with us about it then they >> And now if we're talking when follow is

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here Follow was gone before I started here. So is is there an expiration on these these permits we know that they have to execute it like I mean like two and a half years before they broke ground. Get it done.

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Well, that's what >> Honestly in their in their folder. It was It was in there. >> Well, no. I Look, I'm asking legitimately. You see, you could have We could have two you know, two years later we could have two rate increases over that time. Um >> Right, you could have an expiration of

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two years on any permit that's applied for. >> Yeah. Especially if it's something that that we could be on the hook for in the sense of Right. Materials. You know what I mean? On the part of the tie in or whatever. Any part of the whatever. Look, you guys know better than me, but

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I'm just saying where I come from, you know, the town was the city was up to the property up to your sidewalk, you know? So, uh here seems like a little little different. >> Right, but the water health you have two years for the septic permit. So, then if

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it expires and you can renew it. It's just a renewal fee to renew it. But, if the regulations change in the two years, then you have to upgrade the the plan. >> the same time though, that's literally just the permit to do it. This is

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permission to do it more of This is a lot you know, physically more involved where you have plumbing plans change and you know, then you get the whole C zero aspect of forgiveness and permission, right? Um >> Yep.

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No, absolutely. I agree. >> Look, and even going back to that if you don't hold me accountable and ask for they wanted those two other sets of town homes on the back side. And when you read the ad, it's [clears throat] It doesn't look like they're preparing

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to break any ground over there and those things would be kind of right up against the house. And if I'm dropping 700 grand on one half, I'm not going to want this other house there. Um you you I mean? 30 ft away from me. Uh

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So, that's kind of interesting that it wasn't disclosed in this. So, maybe that part is sailed. Um, so we don't you know we don't know. >> My guess is the one on Chestnut Street is still going to happen. I don't have a big enough budget. >> Yeah, but they're going to pull that potential away.

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>> Yeah, you know, I I know what you're saying as far as the money. Yeah, let's just say there's no disclosure on that. I wouldn't be too >> start throwing the wagons and figuring out >> There's also no mention that it was a funeral home either. But whoever they're going to find out soon enough.

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But yeah, uh the second mailbox went up the other day. I didn't think only the one listing's up. Uh, there's one minute over there. >> All right. >> Well, we can uh >> just move forward on that mentality. >> Yeah, and we can just well

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Yeah, I mean this is more of an ongoing >> send us an email or whatever, you Yeah, we just want to be >> It's more of an ongoing conversation I guess and hey, you know, >> be proactive and >> What does council give us an hour? Is that what or is it by issue? 20 minutes?

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Well, how how fast can you talk? Nope, nope, don't uh >> That's all the books I know of. >> We say, "Hey, it's nice and cool in this library." Uh, all right. So, we will and that was that was 990, right? So, all right. Now,

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we'll go over to 100 Laurel Lane, which I thought we had finished that. >> No, but I put together a contract language. It is out on the street. >> So, yeah, yeah. >> The opening date is I think it is the 21st.

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>> Okay, so you don't even have a a bid yet. >> No. >> It's going to be interesting to see >> Next next week, 21st of July. >> Yeah, yeah. Be interesting to see where it comes in compared to the homeowner's number. >> We're not allowed to bid on that, right? >> We can, actually. >> Oh, you can?

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>> Yeah. >> Cuz I got it. >> You just have to escape >> Yeah. >> Well, I'm too busy doing it anyway. >> [laughter] >> I just didn't know if you could or not, if you were on >> You can. >> You can. >> on it. >> Yeah, then you're out of the town.

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>> Yeah. >> Plug me and put me in the corner. >> Gotcha. Bag over the head, yeah. I was a young kid. Thanks for bringing it up, though. I'm not going to sleep tonight. >> All right, let's go. Let's get back on

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track. >> Sorry, man. >> So, all right, we'll we'll just we'll table the Laurel Lane and keep it current business until we start to get bids in, which will What's today? That'll be we'll have maybe possibly some bids in

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by the time the next meeting's up. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> All right, so we'll go to Bill now for the CTE contract renewal. >> Yes, so I put that language all together. I was hoping that went out the same day, but it hasn't gone out yet. But it's

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Starkey would out of town today. It should go out very shortly. It's >> This is the one that was >> That's our >> our option but at a fixed rate to renew. >> No. >> No. >> No. We we put it out as a one-year contract

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with two-year option. >> Right. >> Yeah, but who's option is that? >> Ours. >> It was our >> And we're at year three. We're at the end of the year. >> Oh, that's right. >> So, we have to go out to bid again. >> A new one, yep. >> Yeah, so that should be out on the street very shortly. The bid opening

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date, I think, is going to be August 3rd, I believe. That's our current but I always have interest. >> I hope so. >> Yeah, well, with everything they put into the town I'm hoping so, too. >> What is that price tag per year?

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>> It's 200 something thousand. >> What do I got to do? >> Good camera. >> You can get on it. >> It's It's the fire station in the >> Oh, yeah, yeah. >> The one he said What do you want to get bacon grease out from the school? >> No.

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>> Just You can use it for baby wipes, so it'll be good. >> Yeah, that'd be good. >> Or candles, they could do candles. >> All right, so uh I mean, the same thing, the bids are in 2 weeks or >> No. Bid opening will be August 3rd. >> Okay, so it's not far out.

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>> Yeah. >> So, it'll happen for our August 11th meeting, so we'll get to discuss it then. >> Yeah, and we'll see When did you think it was possible to be going out? >> Hopefully next >> The language next week. Next week, yeah. >> Okay, so we'll just keep it Keep it on the current agenda.

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Going forward, um All right, well, moving on, we can go to the future agenda items. Um is there anybody or anybody online that wants to discuss anything they'd like to see on

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future agenda items? Outside of what we're currently keeping on there? >> Yeah, we'd pretty much keep >> The The current is now in future. >> Yeah, until we have >> Yeah. >> closure. >> Mhm. >> The I guess before we

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I guess we can cover Well, if we're good with the future, we'll move on to the old business. Um I just, you know, wanted to ask Did Was there anything more on the uh uh sealed up manholes, have we

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noticed anything where we got a sizable amount of rain one day or >> No, we haven't had any complaints. >> No, we have we haven't had any yet. No one >> Last Tuesday we did. >> Well, one day. >> One day. >> Um Yeah, maybe we should uh pull the pull

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the record there see if it That's what I'm saying that we had >> [laughter] >> one day >> flow meters and see >> Well, I was just saying we didn't have any really measurable rain up until >> Yeah, it was like an inch and a >> Just put a commissioner down there and then

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>> My lawn loved it. >> For my >> like procedural thing, what do you have? Do you have a meter that you can check daily or whenever you want to >> we have we have our flow meters and I can check you know, the flows for all the down there. 1 to 3 and it will give me a every you know, for the 24 hours

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you know, the spike. >> Yeah, okay. >> Well, then yeah, it was more of the two like well, what are we doing? You know, what's the You had your list of identifying of identified ones of the biggest offenders. So now that they're fixed,

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you have your middle list of your second worst offenders which are now the worst offenders. So where do we how do we monitor that or identify, you know, what's the next worst? >> So I mean we could I mean we have a list of you know

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Right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, but so the list is getting old little stale. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Daily be good to inspect them all again >> But at the same time you already I know no I I know you have but what's

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it's more of a cost to re uh not re-map but you know, re-inspect everything as a whole as opposed to even just taking the at least the say the three worst beyond the ones that were

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fixed and sticking ahead and or other >> Yeah, >> Right, cuz I mean, like you say, there's an expense, you know, checking them, but if we wait a year and the thing's been leaking for a year, then how much do we lose? Like, you know, I mean, it still comes out of the preventive maintenance as compared to catastrophic maintenance

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and you know, and all that type of stuff. So >> But it's more of just the follow-up, too, on those okay, did it get worse from what it was? If it didn't, then all right, we we go on and you know, and maybe a year a year we do a new survey. >> Good idea. >> What's that?

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How many licensed drainlayers do we have in town? How many connections do How many connections do we do in a year, roughly? >> Roughly in a year, uh I don't know. Lately it's been about 20. >> 20 a year? >> There's What if you just as a as a favor >> Mhm.

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>> every licensed drainlayer, every time he does a tie-in, you ask him to go one north, one south, or east-west of where he's tying in. >> Yeah. >> Just to see if there's anything drastic >> I mean, you're going to have infiltrate You know what I'm saying? But like, hey,

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but you're here it's going to take you 2 seconds to pop the lid, you know stick your head down there for a minute and oh, it's average or oh, we need to do something about this. I mean, just as a courtesy I mean, there can't be that many

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licensed I mean, there's about 12 guys, I mean Not a one probably mind doing that. Just as a and this courtesy to the town that you're working in. >> Right, exactly. >> Right? We're asking you guys, you know,

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as a favor, just verbally report back. You know, every time you do one, just go one that way and one that way. >> Right, it's going to feed them anyways. >> That would That would just be like a policy change, right? That you're required to >> You know what I'm saying?

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>> What was it >> But it would cut costs on freshening up list. And and and you know like sometimes things happen and they could go for years. I mean, you know. >> It's kind of I mean a quick >> Yeah.

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>> inspection >> Uh we got a problem. >> Yeah. You know what I'm saying? >> Well, I mean even so if I'm looking at that that and you know, forgive the ignorance that that middle part of the the list that is now the bad part of the list, right? What were any it could have

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been how long it was that? Like a year? That was we had those manhole covers thing was going on for 2 years. So, I'm assuming the survey was probably 6 months before that before >> I don't know. Some of the surveys were like 4014. >> Okay, so all right. So, 2014

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in December >> 10 years. >> all these mortar flaws in one of these and it's been leaking like a sieve for 10 years and we have no idea because we haven't reinspected it. Or even you know, they that's where I'm getting at. Okay, if it's that old then I'm like, well, yeah, we already have the data.

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You know, I already have my problem with having to remap the whole town. >> Very expensive. >> Well, the like don't you just add on to them your existing map? Like that that that's a whole That was a whole another story for me, but if but at the same time we already

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have the information albeit old, but then again >> Could have got better. >> They didn't heal it. They >> It didn't get better. I think they took a while a couple of years ago. You know what I'm saying? >> It's not getting any better if it's already leaking, you know. >> 10 years later. >> But I didn't realize it was that much.

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Jeez, I was sitting here giving I was like, oh, maybe 3 years. >> Is the land shifting underneath and closing? I don't know. >> Well, I mean even stupid stuff like it where where the master plan right in the books is 20 years old at this point, right? So, at some point there that has

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to be readdressed with usage and what parts are being built up more than parts that people thought were being built up. So, you're just trying to keep the existing I'm a big preventative maintenance person. You know, rather than chase problems, be

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proactive. But, I understand things cost money, but we already paid for it. Let's use the information. I understand it comes down to manpower and everything like that, but >> [gasps] >> Uh I mean, I I don't know what what kind Well, yeah, exactly. I think it's a great idea. We do have

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manpower issues. We do Honestly, we don't have a sewer department that When we submit an as-built, you could almost You know how like the Shore Board of Health, you have you have to use their form for an as-built, right? >> Yeah, we have our form. >> You have your form, you could almost put it like at the bottom of the form.

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Uh you know, just report you could almost have it so when we give you our as-built, >> we have two manuals that we checked off. And just a quick, you know, line needs attention or, you know, bad.

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It could be right on the form as part of what what we fill out when we submit back. And then Yeah, I mean, they don't have to necessarily get down in the manual They're all the same depth, so they're all like it's not like I did all the same depth, standard depth. I mean, I don't think it's that far off

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because Yeah, like it's all going to judge for you. >> You know how deep that one is supposed to be when they're looking to see how much is >> Well, you're just looking for any kind of infiltration on the side. >> [clears throat] >> On the side. >> It might be a tree root that went through and just knocked out all the mortar, right? You know, and it's

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running in off the street. >> Uh it makes from just Whatever. >> But, I mean, I believe we talked before and sure you guys have running into where towns have, you know, hey, you know, and do this, but hey, can

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you line this for me? You know what I mean? And so, it's not a big ask and it's not anything that I don't think anyone's really going to be put off by. You know what I mean? Especially something that simple. >> Right. >> You know what I mean? >> asking you to do anything. We're just

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>> Yeah, yeah. This isn't an HVAC guy where you tell him to go crawl in the crawl space. >> got the equipment, you pop the lids and check it out, and you know what you're looking >> Right. >> You know what I'm saying? >> Right. >> It's a it's a just a professional courtesy is what we're asking for. >> You already get this? >> It's a 12-block.

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>> No more than 15-20. >> You can do them both, you know? I don't think there's a guy out there who's going to say no. You know? Maybe maybe. Give it a whirl, Bill. See what they say. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, or they'll walk. >> See what they say. >> See, next time you have a good idea,

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we're going to listen again. >> That's 2026. >> Yeah. >> All right, so >> And they won't go respond, so speaking of old business, what um how did we leave that last manhole that the manhole fix guys didn't want to go in because of the gases, but said it was

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nightmare-ish, that pump one? We haven't done anything with that, right? >> Yeah, it has been done. >> All right, but I mean we need to decide on that one, too. >> Oh, I don't even What was that one I was late? >> So, there was there was a manhole on Prospect and Lunenburg St. Right? >> It's But, it's on Prospect near Laurel.

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>> Yeah. >> Uh it's where the Lunenburg Road um pump station pumps into. >> Okay. >> And then it gravity's from there to to Lunenburg. >> It's through Dana St. >> Up to Dana St. >> Yeah. >> But the company that was fixing

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manholes, that was the last one on their list, and they popped it, and they put their gas meter down, and it was too >> Right. Too much gas. >> Too much gas, so they They enter it, but they also noticed that that one's nightmarish. It's like what Chip was just saying. A lot of problems, infiltration. >> Oh, okay.

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>> And and like just corrosion and then structurally not sound and whatever. >> So they recommended replacing it, but it ain't kind, you know. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> And it's 15, 18 ft deep. What did he say? It's a deep one. >> Yeah. >> And it's a pump the pump pumps into it,

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so then they'd have to >> Right. >> reroute the pump while they're constructing the new >> Right. >> manhole and yeah, so it's all like that kind of project. >> It's a It's a project. >> Well, they didn't want to enter it, but did they seal it? >> No. >> No, they didn't go in it to inspect it.

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They couldn't cuz the gases were too high. >> And did they give you a refund? >> Refund? But you charged us for it. >> Well, I even thought we bought the the lids and everything that we had when they ordered the wrong size and stuff. So >> Yeah, that wasn't one where you replaced the uh

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>> Oh, that wasn't that. Okay, okay. >> But again, that is one >> Those guys would have done it. >> That is one that's on the list that we have to remember that that basin's >> Well, where where is it? >> Prospect at Laurel Lane. >> The Laurel Lane where that 100 is,

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right? >> Yeah. >> Over by the lake. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Prospect with Street, the one that goes straight down to the lake. >> Around the lake. >> Lemister Road. >> Around the Yeah, from Lemister Road all around the lake to the rotary. >> Okay. >> That's Prospect Street. >> Okay. >> Yeah.

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>> It's on Prospect? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Cuz it's deep because there's that hill >> Yeah. >> right there, so they they you know, they were gravitying it all the way to there, so it's it's deep because the grade was coming up and the main was going the other way, so

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>> [clears throat] >> It's probably one of the deeper ones, actually. >> Probably. >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, those >> Something to remember. That's all. >> Those we'll have to carry it over. >> Keep that in mind. >> Yeah. >> Um

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all right, any other old business? And we don't have We still don't have anybody online, Bill, all right? >> Nope. >> So, I guess if I'm going to ask for public comments, I'm not going to get any, but uh how about if we have any uh committee or

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staff uh comments? Still going to have it. I I saw do wipes on sale, so I don't They might be They might be desperate because we winning the battle. No, no, I think you'll be done. But, I don't think uh anybody has

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anything they want to throw in. No, no. All right, so we have our upcoming scheduled meetings. We'll be July 28th, 2026 at 6:00 p.m. That'll be a Zoom meeting.

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Uh let's see, August 11th, 2026. Uh that is 6:00 p.m. and that will be a hybrid meeting and we'll be basically here. Uh August 25th, 6:00 p.m. Zoom meeting

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and September 8th, uh let's see, 6:00 p.m. we'll have a hybrid meeting at the DPW. Uh with that, I believe we're done with our business. I would Unless anybody has anything, I entertain a motion to adjourn.

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>> I'll make a motion to adjourn. >> I'll second the motion. >> All right, uh let's see. Take a roll call. Arthur Katis. >> Yeah, not I mean I I >> I have a kid. So, really got him without a leadership.

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We did it right away. I I I guess I got you there. Answer roll call. And an I for myself. Uh thank you very much, Lunenburg, and have a great night.