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Part 1 (Video ID: GLNiLTdN20M):
- 00:00:05: Meeting Start, Pledge, Remote Participation Information
- 00:02:08: Roll Call, Public Comment, Approve Meeting Minutes
- 00:03:01: Sewer Business Manager, DPW Updates, Manhole Repair IFB
- 00:04:06: Discussion and Vote: 48 West Street Change of Use
- 00:07:21: Final Read Write Off: 37 Wallace Park Account
- 00:15:59: Waiver Request: 99 Lancaster Road High Bill
- 00:25:48: Potential Connection: Tundra Laura Lane; Cost Discussion
- 00:34:16: Expansion of Use: 990 Mass. Ave. -Two Family
- 00:44:51: Private Sewerways Continued Discussion, State Requirements
- 00:46:16: Future Agenda Items Discussion, Old Business Questions
- 00:47:51: Comments, Congrats Board, Public Comments, Meeting Schedule, Adjourn


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Welcome Lunberg. It's 610. I'm Dan Proctor, clerk of the Lunberg Sewer Commission. At this time, I'd like to ask everybody to join in the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance >> allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America. To the republic for it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> In accordance with the requirements of

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the open meeting law, please be advised that the meeting of the Lunberg Sewer Commission is being recorded and will be able to be found on the Lunberg Access YouTube channel after the meeting. The following information is also provided for the members of the public that would

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like to participate in the meeting remotely. To participate remotely from a computer, please use the link to join the public meeting webinar found on the posted agenda or from a telephone. Dial the toll-free number 888-4754499

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and enter the webinar ID number 83187249940. If you've not registered with Zoom, you will be asked for your name and an email address. Note, no participant ID is needed. Just press pound when asked. I will do the roll call to confirm that

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all members are present and can hear me. Members, when I call your name, please state name and I. Scott D >> here. >> Arthur Catis >> here. >> Chip Wilson

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>> here. >> Brett Ramden, >> not here. Dan Proctor, I am here. Staff, when I call your name, please respond in the affirmative. Bill Bernard, >> here. Andrew Valeri >> here.

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>> Dane Randley >> here. >> All right, we will open the public comment. Do we have any comments from the public? >> Not seeing any. >> We'll get into our current business. Minutes of 512

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2026. Do I have a motion to approve? I'll make a motion to accept the minutes from 51226. >> Do I have a second? >> I have a motion in a second. >> Yes.

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>> Get a We'll get a vote. Chip Wilson. >> I. >> Arthur Catis. >> I. >> Scott D. >> I. >> And an I for me, Dan Proctor. Next item. sewer business manager DPW

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director updates manhole repair IFB Andrew Bill do we have any updates on these? >> Yeah, so uh Zach emailed me on Friday. Um and he said that his work got pushed back to June 1st. Um

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so they're going to be doing their work or with uh some other company then and then after they're done then he'll uh focus on us. So hopefully after 63 he'll follow up. So

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fingers crossed on that. >> Yep. And also the the subcontractor Tango is doing the manhole covers. >> They got pushed out a week also. So they'll be coming in shortly too. >> So it everything should be wrapped up by

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the completion date June 30th. But they probably only have a week of work. So, we should be all set. >> Fair enough. At least they responded. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Any questions from board members? >> No. Looking hoping not to celebrate it.

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Second anniversary. >> Okay, let's go to um B2 uh 48 West Street. Change of use. I am going to abstain from this because I am involved with this project. I will still speak on behalf of the board, but I will not vote.

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>> Yeah, I I have been going over this stuff the past hour just I I know we got a lot of items on here. So, yeah, I got a lot of uh a lot of questions of what's going on. So, I'll let the uh the powers of be explain to us what's going on.

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>> All right. So, the we have the applicant online with us. Um Michael uh what's his name? >> I can't see it. >> Yeah, >> Branchflower. Michael Branchflower. So,

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they are I think that's rehabing a house and they're adding a bedroom. So, our bylaws, I'll read it for you. It says the sewer commission may allow for increased allocation for the change of use or expansion of use which result in

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an increased sewage design flow. So adding a bedroom does increase sewer design flow and it further says in an existing facility within the service sewer service area which it is and subject to

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the available capacity. So we have plenty of capacity with both Lemonster and Fitsburg. >> That's why we subject to the assessment of privilege fees by the sewer commission. So they've paid their sewage their privilege fees years ago when they

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first connected. So it meets all the criteria. So it's it's pretty simple, I think, for the the commission here to to say yes or no. It's >> Well, how about this? Since I Googled

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the property, looks like the streets paved. Is this any uh going to be any invasive? Does anything need to be dug up and changed? >> Nothing. Nope. They're adding a bedroom inside the house. So, nothing changes outside.

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>> Okay, that's all I had on that. So, >> yes. >> Anybody else? >> The usage is uh a lot easier than sewer install. >> Yeah, Dan. Dan, I believe you can call

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for it even if you're abstaining. >> Okay. So, I'll call for a motion to accept the U change of use at 48 West Street. >> I'll second it. >> And now,

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>> yeah. Roll call vote. Chip Wilson. >> I aisle >> I believe from voting. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You have to officially say okay so you're all set Mike.

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>> Yep. >> Next we have 37 Wallace Pac account final readrite off. >> Yep. So that accounts, >> yep, that account was a final read. So this is the time of year I have um actually we have I have a lot of end of

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year final reads which is good for us. Um but this account for some reason when I did a fi the final read um because I have two systems that I go by. It's a secondary um access program and then I have munis. I don't I don't change

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anything in Munis until I know that the property's been sold. Um, so what I did, um, sometimes I'll just, you know, do the final read. I'm like, "Oh, I don't know what I was thinking that day." Was a minimum final read is 133. Um, so I had two spreadsheets, one for 133 and

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one for the amount that was owed on the bill. Uh, it looks like the homeowner that sold the property actually paid a little bit more. Um, but their current balance right now is 39319. So unfortunately at closing uh the

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closing attorneys got the wrong spreadsheet for me of 133 and not the amount of um that was actually higher than that three higher than that 39319 amount. Um so now to go back obviously that those people are long gone they

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bought their own house or whatnot. So for us to get um you know pay the account off I can't forward that balance onto the new homeowner. Um, so we have to agree to forgive it or write or write it off. Like unfortunately, you know, I can't, you know, I need your approval to

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do that. Um, that was, you know, obviously an error on my end out of the, uh, many things I try to send over to people. So, um, so I mean in the grand scheme of things, I mean it's we're losing $393,

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but it's not, you know, mistakes, you know, it was an honest mistake. So, >> we won't take it out of your fund. >> I mean, mistakes happen. However, how do we submit this during a closing? Is

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there an official letter with the last read statement that goes to the attorneys? >> Yep. So, when I do a final read, it goes through my access program that I have. It's a final bill or whatnot. And then usually I check Munice. So, what I did, I did check Ununice. I had the right

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spreadsheet. I did I did correct the spreadsheet. I just accidentally sent the wrong spreadsheet because I corrected it. So, I had them save both. So, on my end, I sent the wrong one. So that's an error on my end. Um that norm actually has not happened at all since

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I've been here out of all the final reads I've done. So um but that is generally how we do the final read. I take the account balance um I add 133 on top of um whatever is due on the account. So go into the billing system.

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See if there's a um balance on the account. That account um based off that old bill number gets added on to um the final re the final bill number is usually 133 at the minimum. Um it could be more depending if they've used more

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in between that usage period. Um >> I mean without seeing it just I would suggest a best practice going forward of having you know the the letter whatever

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on the town the sewer letterhead whatever we do but have that amount typed in with the date of the final read and say you see attached because at least that dollar amount on the letter becomes what's submitted, even if the backup

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documents don't coincide, and then they're going to call and ask for it. Do you know what I'm saying? And whether you get another set of eyes on it before it sends out. And I'm only saying this to do our due diligence in the state that we're in, you know, with the with

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the town, but everybody, you know what I mean? So, I feel like we'd be doing it a disservice just to be like, "Oh, well, we need to write it off." But then again, >> well, it's unfortunately >> have any other recourse. >> Yeah, you can't you can't pass that on

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to the new homeowner because it's not the new homeowner's bill. So, >> and >> I suggest that we take Andrew to the town center and remove his head. >> Oh, at least not but in the end,

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>> that's the only recourse we have now. Sorry, Andrew. >> No, no. I mean, I and look, I'm only saying it from putting 8,000 SOPs in in place over my career, but it's just, >> hey, let's you let's learn from the

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mistake and all we have to do is, you know, and it's just a suggestion, not even knowing what that is, but at least either another set of eyes of the assistant uh sewer manager or, you know,

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or like I said, the actual final number on Bill CCD with the >> uh spreadsheet on the back, you know. So, >> but we just this is just putting a solution out there so nobody can say we

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didn't do anything to address it going forward. >> Do you see what I mean? >> Kind of like when you close on a property and you sign 20 pieces of paper and one of the papers says if they made a mistake, they can come back and and rectify it, right? I mean, every lawyer's office does that kind of the

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same idea. >> Yeah. And this isn't I mean, obviously at that level, but it just it just gives us if somebody ever came back to this and then said, "Hey, why did you write this off?" You know, did the board just

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push it through? Well, no. We understand that we can't collect it at this point. It was a procedural mistake, but we put up a possible procedure to rectify it from happening again in the future.

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>> And I and try to collect it as well. Um just everyone is aware. I did um work two to three weeks to try and see if um they could go back and try and collect it. So the attorneys did did try to >> you know, but unfortunately I said, you

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know, there was no answer from them. So, um it is unfortunate that it is um what it is. I do apologize. >> I really do. >> No. And look, it it's a mistake. Everybody

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made them and it's not the end of the world. It's just how do we >> how do we deal with it? It's all >> Yeah. Yeah. Abs. Absolutely. And I do, like I said, I do strive to accurate. Um but like I said, I I do own my mistake on this one.

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>> No. And we all can agree or at least all right I won't speak for the but we can all agree that you do a great job so it's not uh that you know I already feel like we wasted not wasted but we spent too much time on it and you you you're taking a little too much responsibility

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at this point. I was just suggesting, hey, we could do this going forward and, you know, maybe avoid, >> right? No, absolutely, Scott. I I totally understand, you know, um I mean, that is I I do my utmost best um to double check and triple check and I I

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wish I could say um I was always 100%. Um but I do own this mistake. So, I will make sure moving forward, triple check, final read. >> Hey, at least you're not, you know, you're not compounding compounding interest and everything. So I mean

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>> we're not doing that. >> Yeah. >> So I would >> lunch money for two weeks and then you'll be forgiven. >> I would uh you know suggest >> make Dan make Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

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>> Can we get a motion to vote on this? I will make a motion to vote to write off the balance of uh W 37 Wallace Park. Is that it? >> It was $393.19.

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>> Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Second it. >> Okay. Roll call vote. Scott >> I. >> Arthur >> I. >> Chip >> I. >> And I for myself, Dan.

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Okay, moving on. We have 99 Lster Road waiver request. >> Okay, so um as you as everyone knows, um we do have waiver requests or one time waiver requests that are allowed to come into us. Um this location in particular,

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um she does use a lot of irrigation throughout the year. Um, and I was going back on her um, bill for um, quarter 4 of last year and like the previous, you know, um, quarters around the billing period between January and March. Uh,

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this bill that she had, excuse me, was her highest bill ever. Um, when I did a, you know, average usage comparison of what she uses, um, there was an adjusted amount like the computer can calculate that for me. um you know her bill is

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generally around the $500 almost 600 but she had a $752 bill which kind of she was very freaked out about it so she's not sure if she has the leak and she's like she was looking for it. So I said well put in a onetime waiver request and I'll bring it up to the commission uh with the

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information that I have to see if they would uh vote to approve of your one-time waiver request. But moving forward um you know please you know double check you know your water usage. make sure you have someone out there to make sure you don't have a leak. Um, and moving forward, I wouldn't be able to

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give you um, you know, an adjustment. Um, just just because, you know. So, >> Right. So, one time >> one time. Yep. >> Yeah. So, how much are we taking off? I'm sorry.

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20 $17320 based off her um that's what we base it off is the last four quarters of uh usage and what the last four quarters bills were. Um so the amount would be a reduction of 17320.

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>> So was that average taken at the current rate? >> Yep. Yeah. At our our at our regular 133 minimum rates like that we charge now. Yeah. So, >> I never found >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but it sounds like

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there hasn't been a leak investigation yet, >> right? So, like I said, that I'm not sure of. I just said that I would bring it up and that was the best that I could do if uh you know, you guys have a commission. So, now we have the weaver request and I said I would do the best that I could and that is the information

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that I have. So, it's totally up to uh you guys for sure. >> I I guess my biggest thing is if that is policy that we have a one time and I don't have a problem with that, but as long as she know as long as she knows that it's a one time and if she doesn't

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solve the next time she us >> because obviously we're sending money down the pipe. So, >> Right. Exactly. And I did mention that to her. I was very uh stern on that. I said if the commission does approve it and like I said it is a one time. It would be only a one time and moving forward I wouldn't be able to take

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another. >> Does that get documented that she >> documented in my system? So when I go back >> Yep. I go back to the address I can see that I've already given her um or given that property um >> a break at one point and it will be

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there forever. Noted. >> I'm only worsens June 1. I'm sorry July 1. you know, when because we're almost twothirds of the way through the next quarter. And if you know, so say what it

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comes up now at, you know, the same amount of usage if not more, then is it gonna >> Well, she does she does she'll probably be using her irrigation. So, okay. Which honestly, when you have the irrigation, too, that does help

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offset the bill a little bit. So, um, but next next quarter would be would be going in FY27, so our rates are going to be higher no matter what. So, >> does she have an irrigation meter? >> She does have an irrigation meter. Yep.

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>> Yep. >> Okay. >> So, Scott, to answer your question, if say she does have a leak and it comes in really high again, >> she's gonna have to pay it, right? This is one. >> Well, that's what I'm saying. like or are we just going to be like well you

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know I almost look and I know this is this sounds you know petty but I mean I'd rather wait and abstain on a vote until we see the at this point the next read

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and see if it was a addressed or or whatn not. I mean we could even go back and you could look at December's usage. could probably, you know, if she had some kind of internal break or something over the winter, even if it was underground, you you might see it in the usage spike there,

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>> right? >> Um, but I mean, I I don't know. I'll leave it up to the rest of the guys to see, you know, what they say at this point. It just seemed like it was an urgency to get the bill reduction, but not an urgency to find what the issue

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is. >> Is this Excuse me one second, Andrew. Is this house the house on the corner of Lemonster and by the gazebo white? >> I haven't I I haven't I actually haven't taken a uh like a visual of where the house is located, but um see

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>> I think it's I think it's a little further. >> That's a good point. You know, it's not like we need to jump at it right now if if you know she doesn't move to her next quarter, >> right? Uh but if we want to, we can wave the late fee. I mean, it's a $10 Yep.

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Yep. I could wave it next quarter. Um like I said, the only reason why I brought um wanted to I just brought it up because the bills are due um June >> June 4th. So this would be our last meeting technically before um this past quarter's bills were due. So that's why

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I put it on the agenda for today. So >> look, I I don't know why I'm overanalyzing everything today, but you know, Yeah. What you know what if there is something that's going on under there and it washes out half of Lemonster

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Lemonster Road. You know what I'm saying in a month from now because it you know >> well it can't it it can't do that Scott because >> Yeah. >> metered. So it has to be after the meter. So any leak she had would be

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internal inside the house after the meter. >> You know what I'm saying? So there wouldn't be any problem with the utility line coming in. It's more than likely it's a leaky toilet or something. >> Yeah. Something something silly that >> it happened to me years and years ago

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and it was a leaky toilet in a basement that nobody used, you know. >> Yeah. >> When I Lemonster. So >> I mean look, I'll I'll go with whatever you guys, >> you know, want.

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>> I'm fine with voting on it now. I'm fine with waiting. >> It's a one time. >> It's up to you, sir. >> I mean, it's kind of it's up it's on her really because she's choosing to use it now. You know, you she's titled to use it whether it's this quarter or next

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quarter or, you know, four years. >> So, you know, if the rates are going to go up, wouldn't it be in our best interest to take it now because it's actually going to cost us less? >> It it >> Yeah. I understand what you're

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>> I mean >> that's a good point. >> I'm looking at it. You know, >> take the hit now because if that hit comes back and it's more then it's going to cause could in theory cause us more and if the rates go up that it's compounded even more, right?

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>> And um and the other reason why I'm also bringing this up because we're at the end of the fiscal year. So for me to >> go back and change this for next quarter, well >> I I won't be able to do that because FY 26 they're going to be closing out. So it's I not something that I can normal

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usually would go be able to go back on >> if that makes any since our fiscal year is ending. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. I can >> I can sympathize with it. You know, let's just uh decide if we want to vote or not. >> All right. Anybody like to make a

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motion? I'd make a motion. Approve it. >> I will second the motion. >> Okay. Uh, roll call vote. Scott >> I. >> Yep. >> I, >> Arthur.

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>> I, >> and I for me, Dan. So, we will grant her the one time $17320 off. >> And, and as I said, um, it is will be noted on her account. So, anytime I do

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go to that account specifically, I do read notes to see if there's anything on there. So, it will be forever documented. Um, >> perfect. >> I mean, I I I will say that I've gotten notices from public utilities in in

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Medford and, you know, my old house that, hey, your usage is really high. Uh, you might want to check to see if you have a silent leak. And you know, lo and behold, I'm pretty sure I had a toilet that was filling up and just slowly dripping. So,

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>> yeah, you don't even hear it. So, >> you don't hear it. Yep. >> Yep. >> So, yeah. I mean, I I'd like to be able to if we could just kind of keep this on the future business only to follow up after next quarter and only as a um

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what's the word I'm looking for? a a service to her to see if you know just to give her a heads up. Hey, look, it's uh it's still you know flowing pretty good or you know so just so she can take it and not really get in dire straits

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over it. >> All right, so moving on to section B number five. Bill's got some good news for Tundra Laura Lane. Is that correct? >> Yeah, I think it's kind of good news.

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So, the drain layer that's been working with the property owner, he's been trying to work with us >> and he came up with a plan to connect. So, he came in today with a cost

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estimate. It's expensive. It's $9,700. Um, it gets us out of this mess. It So, of course, the grades over there are terrible. Um

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he's going to have to insulate the pipe. Um he's going to run off Dan, you're familiar with it, right? That existing um 6-in stub that comes out. He's going to continue that up to the garage. >> Okay. Then he's going to put a manhole

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next to the garage on on their property so he can tie the garage into the manhole and then he can run the the pump from the house over to that manhole and then it's gravity from there down

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borrow lane. >> Okay. Would they own the manhole after? >> Yeah. >> You'd only still only own the main line, right? and whatever. >> Well, that it's all lateral at that point. So then they would own it, right?

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Well, how does it work? No, we would we would own it in the street, but >> yeah, but >> yeah, >> of the rightway if that manholes, right? They that would be on them to own >> Yeah, the manhole is going to be out of the rightway. Yeah. >> So, the line industry would be owned by

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us, >> right? like we would make sure he puts the manhole >> on his property, >> right? >> Okay. >> And do we end up with some kind of absolution waiver or whatever that this

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is the end all be all of this or do we have the possibilities of discontinuing if it doesn't quite work the way they think it will? >> Well, at that point it's connected so it should be fine at that point. I'll leave it up to the uh

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>> Yeah, experts. I I don't know. This seems And this is all we're on the hook for this because of the betterment from ever ago. Is that >> what I'm I don't know. I'm trying. >> Right. So, it doesn't look like we we

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can't find the lateral that's supposedly there. There there's an asbuilt drawing, but I haven't been able to find it. So, >> no, this is the one that was up there >> by chance that this guy offered this by chance a few weeks ago, right?

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>> What was that out there? >> Uh, that was this was offered a couple of weeks ago when you spoke to the property owner and the guy that was um digging there already, right? He offered this up, right? Is this what we're talking about? The tie in. >> That's correct. That's correct. Yeah. >> But correct me if I'm wrong, but a

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couple weeks ago, wasn't it? $4,500. >> Yeah. >> Is that right? >> Yeah, that's kind of what he threw out there without doing any numbers. Right. So, when he actually sat down and looked at it, >> so we went from 4,500 to 9,700.

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>> Yeah. >> In two weeks, >> right? Is that what you're saying? >> Off the top of his head, he gave me the 4500. >> I mean, even if we found that >> even if we found that tie in, what's the cost of tying in at that point? adding

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in trying to find it. >> If we can find the tie, there's no cost for us. >> I can't find the tie. I can't find that lateral. >> Yeah. >> Does he have to come in front of us to make that presentation? How would that work? In other words, do we have to vote

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on this tonight or is it just a discussion? >> No, I think it's more of a discussion. It's I think it's up to my discretion to allow the connection, right? Like any other connection. But is it where we're I'm sorry where

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we're footing the bill, you know, for lack of better terms. Are we supposed to get our own bids uh on this? >> I could get more bids. Yeah. Um >> yeah, good point. Good point. Because

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yeah, it's more than just a a regular connection. >> How do I know contract involved? I guess that like start saying it's it's just like what the discussion we had on the last one. I mean, we need to protect ourselves. In other words, if a gentleman comes in and just says, "Hey, I'll do it for 9700." I mean, I think

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>> honestly, you're it's under 10 grand, so you don't have to get bids. Correct. >> Correct. >> Okay. But >> we're already We're already says he'd do it for five, then I'd Dan, you you and I both know why he came with 9700.

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Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking. But >> he's given us 200 bucks. He could have come in at 99,00 take take the plans, feed them into an AI model and it'll come out with a you know how much materials need and how much it should average cost. >> That's it.

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>> No, good point though. I will get two more quotes. You guys are right. >> I I mean I just think we should >> I just think you know >> it's only due diligence. I mean and we for all we know this is his buddy and they said you know the town's on the

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hook for this uh you know oh well now it doubled within a two weeks >> right that's the only >> we haven't seen an estimate on anything >> right with the uh where he first said 45 and then 97 so it's kind of a >> you guys are right

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>> let's let's just give couple more bids and then we'll put this on the uh >> upcoming meeting possible people for getting the bids. Would it be the owners since it's private? >> Well, it's in the road, so it's us. So, I'll get the bids.

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>> Oh, yeah. But the manholes going on their private property, right? >> Right. That's outside of the 9700's outside of that cost. I mean, the manholes outside of the 9700 cost. >> Oh, got you. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know. We could satisfy it

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by digging a trench and putting in either a 6 in or putting in that inch and a half line that allegedly was there. Correct. >> Right. >> So, so I don't know. Do you guys know any other way I could trace that alleged

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line? I looked at uh some kind of uh device. You send it down the line and then there's like a wand. You walk up top and it can trace it. >> Yeah. I mean it's it's pretty similar to

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the camera system that you've been using. It just comes down. So it's a smaller line because it's inch and a half line. >> Yeah. >> But those cameras will go up an inch and a half line. Will they not? >> Well, I don't know. >> But the problem with the the small

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cameras is they probably only go maybe 100 feet. We got to go 300 feet. Wow. >> Yeah. >> So, you you had some kind of like pinging device basically is what you're saying? >> Yeah, that's what I kind of looked up and I

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>> I looked at um United Rentals. You can rent it for the day for like 150 bucks, but I'm not 100% sure. It comes with everything you need. That might just be the wand. I don't know if it has the device that goes down the line. I asked the guy, but you know, they rent trucks.

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I don't >> He didn't know much about it. >> Yeah. All right, let's revisit that one. Bill, >> agreed. >> Yeah, I agree.

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>> Okay, let's move to uh number six in subsection 3B 990 massav expansion of use. All right. So, that one they connected

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the house last fall. Uh it looks like a flip to me. It looks like somebody's just rehabbing it and flipping it. So, at the time when they connected, there was four bedrooms. They've since done some design work and it looks like they're going to split the house, maybe

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like an in-law apartment or something. So, they're adding a bedroom. So, it went from four to five bedrooms. So, it's one extra bedroom. >> So, very similar to uh the uh West Street. It's just an expansion of one bedroom.

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>> I I don't know if I have to abstain from this since this is technically my budding neighbor um who owns the property that filed the application. The house is still down a little bit from me, but

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>> just to since it's never really disclosed to us, I see that they're going in front of the the house was $20,000 the last time it sold in 1970. So, it's been sitting somewhere. it's not officially sold or it's been in

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somebody's family and they going in front of the zoning board of appeals next month to make it a two family. >> So, it's a little different than what we just voted on. >> Yeah. >> The one on the one on West Street, that

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guy was adding a bedroom. This this is adding a bedroom, but he's also making it a two family. He's condomfortable with it then. Yeah, I would abstain. >> I mean, yeah, I would rather, you know, if I need to, you know, abstain from

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this one only because, you know, it is what it is. I don't want to be, you know, gauged either way on it. So, >> so I guess my question is we're adding a bedroom, but we're also changing the use because if he's going from a single family home to now a two family home.

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So, do we have different fees for that, Andrew? >> Um, I mean, >> we're not just adding two, we're not just adding a bedroom. We're also making it a two family. >> Right. I mean, if it's going to be a there would have to be a different meter, I would So,

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>> here I go again. And the other little wrinkle of that was that house is within the um uh historic district >> village district >> district. Yep. And so that's why they're

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going in front of the the zoning board because they're going to have special permission for it. So, um, it's interesting only cuz that house is really only two houses outside the center when you look at it. You know

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what I mean? It's a diagonally across from the old Well, it's a church now, right? Any It was a church back then. But um so yeah, I don't know if there's a lot of moving parts on this one, but um yeah, if you guys can figure out the fee thing and everything, I think

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there's a lot of obstacles that it's still going to go through. >> So fees is a good question because they've already connected, >> right? So we they Yeah. So they they paid to connect already. So they've

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already paid a fee. Um, so if they're gonna turn it into a two-bedroom, it basically based off of what I have. What do I have? Yeah, we connect it. >> So like on the West Street one, we didn't ask for additional fees, right?

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>> No, we just asked for the one um the the 220 uh because they're adding a bedroom. So that's what it is. >> Yeah. >> Just additional flow really. Um >> Yeah. So there's a fee for this expansion >> based on the number of bedrooms. So,

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like West Street was 220 and this one's 220. >> Yeah. >> I just the question I had was, is there a difference between a two family and a single family home? >> Right. >> Because I'm quite certain this house at 990 Massav, he's going to condise it and

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he's going to make two houses out of it. >> So, if he does that, the um we'll have we should have two different separate meters. So, they'd make it, you know, 990A and 990B. So when I get another meter um for let's say that 99.90 um we

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basically charge 99.9A and 990B um so we're they're getting two separate sewer bills. So I mean that's our income on that on that end. >> But if it's if it's a two family unit, do they need two ser two separate

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sewer connections? >> Not scenario like that. Like if if you were building a brand new two family, right? Would you be held to a different standard of having to have two individual sewer connections for the

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>> Bill, do they do that with 181 um that electric that they just recently built? Are they just are they connected onto >> those are single lines, single water line, single sewer line? >> Yeah. >> Right. Exactly. Exactly. >> Okay. >> So, and we don't know that they're going

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to go with two meters. They might go with one meter because >> they might >> one of the parts of the house is tiny, right? It's basically a a bedroom, a bathroom, and a kitchen and tiny living room. It's small. It's like an apartment in the house.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it looks like it's definitely going to get a big addition on it since the chimney's been taken down. >> So, >> yeah. And and again, I I guess my only question is is in our policies, do we have an additional fee for a two family?

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And it sounds like we don't. It's all based on bedroom. Is that >> correct? It's more It's more based on increased flow. >> Bedroom counter count basically. I mean, I have them listed right now as a four. So, let's

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see. I don't know. Um if it's a six like Phoebe. Yeah. So if there's a if they add two bedrooms and a fee 440. >> Oh, they're only adding one bedroom. >> But they're only adding 220. >> Yeah.

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>> Yep. So Dan, to your question, this is kind of rare, so off the top of my head, I don't know. We'll have to scour our >> our regs, but >> I'm kind of thinking there's it's silent on something like this. >> But it's not really rare. It's the same thing that we just did on Massav next to

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the church, the old Masselli funeral home that those people were in front of us, those duplexes, whatever. So, they are still only charged by the bedroom count. Is that >> you know what I mean? Were they charged >> on that existing dwelling? Yeah.

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>> Were they but were they charged like two bedroomments because that was new construction. So they weren't bettered when the sewer main went down mass, but now they're building a two family on that. What did we charge them for betterments?

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Was it just one betterment? I I guess the point I'm making is I just think this we're missing the opportunity to charge people for these two families if we're not charging them. If it if it's all based on bedroom count, regardless of whether it's a duplex or a

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triplex or whatever it is, >> that's just I that doesn't seem right to me. >> Yeah, it's a good point. I I'll have to scour our rigs to see what if see if it talks about that. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'll have to see too.

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>> I mean, as long as we're capturing the flow, measuring it, and it's going build to the right people, right? I mean, that's the ultimate at the end. >> That's really all Yeah, because I mean, that's kind of just how the billing goes for the >> We're just looking at initial fees that

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we're missing out on. Aside from that, >> right? >> Okay. >> Well, yeah. I mean, a lot of things are fees, but we're all just being careful moving forward because of all the do you want. where we're looking at going to be looking at a ton of new

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construction and or um you know rehabs that are that are split for affordable housing options or whatever you know however you say it. So um so that's all I just want to make sure we're not you know hey like we address the ADU

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situation right? Yeah. >> So right it's a good point. So I'll I'll check and get back to you in the next meeting. Can we table it till then? I mean, in the agenda, >> do we need a vote to move it?

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>> Well, I think >> or to continue it. >> Make the vote for the expansion tonight because I think the fees are a separate issue. >> Yeah, the fees for the additional bedroom is separate. >> Yeah.

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>> Okay, understood. Yeah, >> I don't think there's anything malicious at play in just doing the >> Yeah. >> So, I'll entertain a motion to allow the expanded use of 990 mass.

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>> I'll second that. >> Any discussion? >> Yeah, >> I I just think we should make sure that Mr. Cole understands that this is just the increase in flow. Mhm. >> that there could be fees for the change of use down the road,

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>> right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Any other comments? >> So, >> no, but we still have to take the vote, right? >> We will I will ask for a vote now. Chip Wilson. >> I hold on. I don't think

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>> Arthur >> I >> Scott, you're gonna abstain. I'm gonna stand. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Proctor I. >> All right. >> Thank you guys. >> Number seven, right pierce private

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sewerways. Continued discussion. >> I don't even know what this is. >> I think we left it we did leave this on. It's just more so uh from the last discussion that we had trying to find,

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you know, the private uh sewer maps. I don't know if um you guys remember what we're talking about that to know all the in plans and um if we have any >> was on it, wasn't it? >> Yeah. Yeah. Um so I mean we haven't wanted

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>> go on >> that we didn't have >> um >> yeah so that you know private sewerways they want to know you know what our plan is. Do do we do jetting or you know I think they want to see a lot all the plans too for >> all that. Yeah.

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>> Uh so yeah, so we're we just kind of have it, you know, on there. Uh I don't really have an update on that right now. Uh but we are going to be go like searching, you know, to try and get everything that they do need well before August 31st. So >> this is the state information, the state

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requested information, right? >> Correct. >> That's correct. Yeah. And we haven't made much progress, but like Andrew said, we're gonna get on it. Time's running out. Yeah. >> Just do what they do. All >> right. >> It only works for them.

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>> I wish we have anything for future agenda items that we want to get on for future agendas. Obviously, we're still going to talk about manhole repair. >> Yeah. >> Laura Lane. >> Yep.

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>> Throw right. >> Have we heard anything back from the driving range? family at all? >> Um, no. I I have not. So, >> and we and the we didn't hear anything else from the uh

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besides the construction on the splitting the two dwellings at the old funeral home. We haven't heard anything about the tie-ins for the >> town homes building there. >> No, I haven't seen any plans for that. >> Not that I >> No,

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>> they haven't applied yet. They did apply to the state Masdot to get permits to work in the road. They have those permits. So, they can apply to us at any time. Yeah, >> fair enough. I

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>> think that's all I was thinking of on future business. >> Okay. Old business is always covered from before, I'm assuming. Um, any comments, questions, complaints?

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I did want to congratulate all the board members that ran in the election this last election. >> Right. >> Good job out there, board. >> You guys killed it. And Brett and Brett was took the lead votes and we can't even find him. >> Has anybody heard from him? Is he doing

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okay? >> Yeah, I saw him yesterday actually. I thought he'd be here tonight and then he texted me and said, "Sorry, I'm not going to make it." So, but I did see him yesterday. He looks good. He was grocery shopping. >> Said he been around. So, yeah, he's happy. >> That's good to know. Y

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>> any other public comment from board members, committee, staff? >> Any public comment from the public? >> No public on. >> All right. So, upcoming schedule, sewer commission, we have June 9th, which will be the hybrid meeting at 6 o'clock at

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the DPW. We have June 30th, which will be a Zoom. July 14th, which is also a hybrid at the DPW, and then Jul I'm sorry, July 14th and then July 28th, which is also a Zoom.

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>> Sounds great. >> All right, I guess this uh I'll make a motion to adjourn. >> I'll I'll make a motion to adjurnn. >> Somebody's somebody seconded.

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>> All right, Scott D. I >> Yep. >> Hi, >> Arthur. >> Hi. >> And a night for me. >> Good night, Lunberg. >> Good night, guys. See you next time. >> Thank you, everybody. >> Thanks, guys.

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>> Thank you, guys.