You have Jane on board. Oh no, Jane will not be uh here tonight. >> Bill, it make more sense to call out her name and have her not answer or just recording. >> Good evening, Lunberg. My name is Brett
Ramson. I'm the chairman of the Lunberg Sewer Commission and we're going to start our meeting off as we always do with the pledge of allegiance for the flag. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you all and um so I'm going to um read my
starting here. Um, in accordance with the requirements of the open meeting law, please be advised that this meeting of the sewer commission is being recorded and will be able to be found on the Lunberg Access YouTube channel after the meeting. The following information is also provided
for members of the public that would like to participate in the meeting remotely. To participate remotely from a computer, please use the link to join um the public meeting webinar found on our posted agenda or from a telephone dial
toll-free number 8884754499 and enter the webinar ID number 831 8724940. If you have not registered with Zoom, you will be asked uh for your name and email address. Note, no participant ID
is needed. Just press pound when asked. I will do a roll call um vote to confirm that all members and staff are present. And I'm going to start with Scott D >> here. And Dan Proctor >> here,
>> Arthur Katis >> here. And then the staff um looking for Bill Barard. >> I'm here. >> Andrew Bellery >> here. >> And Jane Randley is not present. And I'm going to ask for
uh if there's any public comment at this time, whether present or via Zoom. >> So there's nobody else online. We just have Ed. Ed, why don't you introduce yourself and go for My name's Ed
McWeeny. Um, I'm interested. Uh, one of the topics on your agendament and extinction section. Um, we currently own some land in Lunbury that would like to develop single family homes.
>> A little bit louder. >> We own some land that would like to develop. Uh, the reason I'm interested, the land has perks. So, we can and is within we have been able to put the land so
we're not asking well we wouldn't be asking for any additional housing if we could use town saw um we would like to see if we could ask and we know it's at the the sewer commission's discretion is
that we'd be allowed to connect to town sore and What we would need though is your permission because the line would come across and we'd use an easement as we cross over the lots to eventually then
go out and connect to the town sore. So it's the easement variance that we need mission for. Um, as I said, the land does we have three good perks on it now in terms that
um, Border Health witnessed it. McCarthy engineering had designed it and two other locations. We're not building five house in that area, but we had the equipment there. So, we did and it was observed two other perks. So, we know we
have plenty of perks. What it is is that um the land that some of the topo is that once we develop a project um 20 years from now when one of the houses needs to go and upgrade everything and
you know the le trail and so forth, they're going to have a bug of a time trying to get in there without tearing everything apart because the homes will be entering in on a carbon driveway. So that's what's basically spinned our interest and we're trying to listen to
see is because the town about six seven months ago in that has approved if you uh meet they've got about 15 regulations but if you meet all the regulations you can now have one common driveway to serve four houses.
>> Is that where the easement is proposed? All the easement would be I didn't bring my plans because I just wanted to observe >> think about the roads here the common drive would comes in here
we have one house here house here house here house here and basically the four lots would go this one so it's RB so they have to have over 80,000 this is a large fossil land so have more than
80,000 but the sor line would come through here and that's the easement we're crossing over >> multiple easements >> well we could again we own all the land so we would have one easement come
across the property um we would then deal with the town attorney for example in the town of Ashingham couple years ago we built seven houses >> there's an eighth one that to put the curb stock. Um it was um it's a main it
was a main road so and it's uh the area that we were building the homes is they're ANR lots similar to what these are is that and they allow common driveways also in their town. So we
basically this part of the road was managed by do public transportation and the state >> the the local town DPW manager said instead of cutting up the road because now you're going to have to deal with
the state extensively and so forth. Do you have an idea? Well, we always have ideas. So what we did there is we simply in that town they have a standard easement. It's 25 ft and they do allow you to do something what we did. So we
basically as funds have what we call a 25 foot easement. One easement it's a service easement that's in all the deeds and we've connected the seventh house. One was an existing house. We built six new houses. The eighth lot the final one
we've already put the curb start. The people move out next year. We're already in agreement. We'll then put the house. They didn't want us to put the house until they had lived there a long time. They lived there and that's how we're doing it. So, we've dealt with and I
know you that vendor I believe is approved. I know it is if Maho and basically out of Mahome near out of um Buckville they don't offer a lot of V1 pumps and the reason we use them is
really because of the service. You can buy the pumps and everything from WAB bar granite group and so forth, but they don't have a service staff. And at some point, the E1 pumps will need maintenance. Our Malone has a service.
They're 724. They're worth the extra money. That's why we use them. But they then will assign an engineer to the project. will basically McCarthy will give them the tollo and they design a whole plan. So
if you would allow it, we're not asking today but if you allow and say yeah we would providing it passes bill in the engineering they would prepare such a plan and then come forward. Um we have McCathy we also for example in Ashraham
border health there is Rick Medcap I don't know he's part in the showa Rick loved it because he said Ed I'd rather have that than trying to figure out how to you're going to again it was kind of a little bit of a slope when we had the houses trying to get the leech fields
and tin fishing layers of repairing it. Um Matt Marrow, we use him. Matt used to be a conservation agent here. >> He supports it cuz um he says it's just a lot easier for the environment and so forth. Matt does private contracts and
we use him all the time. Maryanne Dero, she worked for 30 years for the state. She's a wetland expert and so forth and conservation. She supports it. We use her all the time. >> How are you planning on tying in from the other side? You're just coming through. Yeah, I know you're only asking
for the easement in the back, but you got houses across the common driveway. >> Ah, >> on the other side. So, where is that? >> What I'd like though, I'd like to come in and give an actual present. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, look, I'm just trying to understand the scope of the
Yeah. >> Excuse and I'll answer the question. You know, I don't want to mislead you, >> but I was going to defer to you anyway. So the this would be pressure systems not gravity. >> We believe it will be pressured system.
However, there is tollfy said hey instead of wasting the money now because they all they shut the grades for everything. >> Why don't you wait because it is 100% at the discretion of the sewer commission. Why don't you get permission to see
that? Yeah. If it makes sense they'll allow it instead of and that's where I'm here now just gathering information. We do um allow easements on a case-bycase bas basis. Um our bylaws in general
um mentioned that it's not it's it has to be reviewed and decided. Um but it sounds to me like it might be worth your while to put a package together. >> I'd be more than happy to have a meeting
there. Um, if you could also include uh I mean you probably already have a list of what you're putting in there, but some of this future potential problems that could happen by not having it. >> Yep. >> All the different angles just help us to understand. >> We'll be happy to put it together. We've
done it a couple of times. So, >> and then when and then of course let um Bill or Andrew know when you're ready to come before us and we'll we'll get you on a >> Andrew. I don't know. I know Bill fairly well, so it's easy for me to just stop
and >> put him in the >> Where is the property? >> That was one. >> Where is the property? >> Sunny Hill. >> On Sunny Hill. >> On Sunny Hill, Drive. >> Yes. >> And again, the main reason why I'm here now is because of the change in the bylaws that they allow.
>> Is that the one that's dug up right now? >> No. >> Okay. >> No. and that we want to come in and we want to go down further and stuff and with a common driveway we can use the flat area. So, we've done quite a bit of
work and then um Bill was gracious enough few months ago I talked to him. I said, "I think we're going to finally get going." I said, "Geez, I was hoping do you think they might consider it?" And he said, "Yeah, again, no promises, but they might consider it."
That's why we decided to get back to look at it. >> Yeah. I mean, my only general question will be like, Bill, well, what's our boundaries? You know, what's the legalities of it? But like, you know, I only look at it with, okay, it's one piece of property right now and I'm assuming it's going to be sold off as
individual. >> Well, can't steed and then uh we use gas for so I'm I'm looking at as Joe homeowner. What happens if the guy across the street, you know, system fails and now
you got to dig through and rip up this person's pool and stuff that's over the years. >> And that's why with this air the way it is because um my home uh even if you're in gravity, you have to have cleanups every so many
feet and so forth like that. So what this allows instead of using large estavating equipment to come in and redo a whole le trail and stuff >> basically a mini can do it and you can come down. The other thing too is that
this company and it' be written into the homeowners um that would m make them have once a year it would get service that way DPW doesn't get a call on a Sunday afternoon. is my sewer system just
shipped rapidly because the people know >> it's this company will go to. >> Well, we're looking forward to seeing >> take a look at the >> we'll uh coordinate. >> We'll have a fantastic uh question and answer
to watch my Red Sox win tonight. >> All right. Fingers crossed. >> Thank you, General. >> Have a good night. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Take care. Are there any other public
comments to be had or comments from staff? >> Nobody else online. >> I'm sorry. >> Nobody else is online. >> Okay. >> Oh, that's hard up there. >> Yeah. >> All right. Thank you everyone. Um so
let's move into our current business. We're going to just start by um approving the minutes from 72925 and um >> I'll make sure >> minutes from 7825
>> the Oh, was 7 729 wasn't it? >> Which one? >> 729. >> Yeah, 729 I thought I got that right. >> 729. Yeah, >> I'll second the motion to approve. Yeah, >> we have a motion that's been seconded. >> Um, Dan Proctor,
>> hi. >> Scott D. >> I. >> And I myself Arthur. >> Hi. >> Arthur. >> Oh, and Arthur. She's >> Hi. >> Thank you, Arthur. >> You're welcome. >> Out of sight, out of mind. I apologize.
Um, all right then. And uh I wonder how many more times I'll be doing that. That's all right. >> I'm the big voice in the sky. >> There you go. >> So, uh, so I guess we're moving right into our sewer business manager DPW director's updates. Uh, we're going to
jump in with the quarter one FY26 billing. Um, yep. So, uh, billing just went out was yesterday. Got picked up. uh took grand total of
six days to do and uh three of the days was not on our our end is cuz uh that we upgraded the system so there was a issue printing but MUN ended up fixing that after 3 days.
So uh we got everything done though. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Fantastic. >> Yeah. >> No phantom no phantom fees. No wrong fees. >> No, no. Uh I I had my assistant go over numbers. I went over I went into each
account a thousand. Um I >> when you do the new billing, do you do the demand from the previous quarter too? >> Um yep. So the demands will be based off basically this whatever is due. So I'll have to go back. >> Okay. >> Um >> yeah. So
>> I just didn't know how >> in the next 30 days it >> there'll be more bills demand notices going out. >> Okay. >> So Andrew's being humble. He had to call Munice every hour on the hour for 3 days. >> Well, it sounds like they did a software update and lost all your printer drives, right?
>> Some there was something. It was showing um some uh bills from 2023 that had nothing to do with any of the billing that was is current. So >> some kind of glitch. And we glad we upgraded to the new system. would give her the old problems and uh got new
problems. >> Got new problems. >> There you go. >> Are they good tech support wise and stuff? >> Um they seem I mean according from build from what they were what they were I mean I guess so. Um >> I mean nice nice but just responsive
very >> laggy. Just from the software side I would assume that their update affected other municipalities. So they've been they've been on tech support 24/7 on this. surprised they didn't get they said they were aware of it faster >> than they did but
>> apacho yeah they said they were aware of it and it's happened >> well >> yeah I love what they said it's aware of it but we don't know what to do >> n >> but three days I guess isn't that bad considering it affected everybody
>> um not just us and >> right anyone that upgraded I guess there so there was many you know a lot of other people that had the same issues So, it is what it is. >> You didn't You didn't have anybody uh outside the door saying, "Where's my bill?" >> Oh, well, no, I actually did. Yeah,
>> we do. >> All right. All right. >> Call in. Call in asking for their bills. >> I stand corrected. >> Yeah. >> I got the Texas one. I was like, >> we have one management company that is very adamant on paying their bills. We we like that. uh when people pay their
bills, but >> um I just >> you tell them now that they can put in their own dollar amount, they could go in and guesstimate it and pay it. >> Says balance do zero, they can still pay, >> right? >> They can make an educated guess and go ahead and pay.
>> Don't go get any idea. >> Yeah. No, no, no. >> But um yeah, we're I think we're in good shape this quarter. So, >> yeah. And um then we also have to do um an approval on uh the commitment for 2026
as well. So I don't know if you guys had a chance to look at you know the the amount >> oh the amount no >> billing amounts for >> Did we um update the percentage of past due yet or >> um nope that's just uh the percent like that's just based off the last time I did demand. So I would I'm not going to
know anything until I do demand >> time you do demand search. >> Okay. Uh, so we need to do what do we need to do just to sign this or do we have to? >> Yep. >> Uh, I don't think we're going to be changing that number. >> Are we going to have um Arthur?
>> Um, I mean if come in or stop by and just put it >> Yeah. Yeah, that's not a problem. I'll come in. Uh, >> I can come in tomorrow morning on my way into work. >> All right, that sounds good. I appreciate >> What time do you open in the morning? What time are you there? >> Uh, we're here at 7.
>> Oh, okay. That's good. >> A's not up before 7. >> I'm up at 5:30, my man. >> Yeah, I'm 4:30 and I'm not even worried. >> Right. But um the commission does have
to vote to accept. >> Is it Is it in It's in the Lunberg um Department of um public works >> y just go to that I'll just look up the building address and I'll see you there. >> Is it just a motion to accept it? Right. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> The >> Yeah. Yeah. I'll make a motion for the to accept the notice of commitment. >> Second 2025 uh 2026, excuse me. >> Borderly billing. >> We have a motion on the table. It's been seconded. Um Scott Dol
>> I. >> And Dan Proctor >> I. >> Dr. Datis >> I. >> And I for myself has been passed. >> Thank you everybody. We'll uh to you for now.
>> This makes it look simple all that. >> I know. >> All right. Um now we're back to those ADUs of general dysfunction. Um >> well, where we leave off where we were just
>> say again. >> Where did we leave off where we were just thinking >> trying to find out? Essentially, we're we're still in a holding pattern and going to discuss further um >> because we're at the point where we need to know if we need to meet with the
select board, right, to enable a fee. >> Well, we're going to town home >> town council. Sorry, town council. That's um >> Yeah. >> Thursday the 21st at 10:00 a.m. >> Oh, that's the one where And we can't have I don't think that
>> I don't Right. We can't have a >> No, we can't have a quarum. >> Yeah, we can't show up. But I I don't think I >> don't We don't need to have a meeting. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, two can show up if you want. >> Yeah. I I have to do something like that. >> Yeah.
>> I am available. You are available. Yeah. So, >> would you like to represent us there or at least >> Yeah. I mean, I didn't know if you were going to come also, but I certainly can be there. So, >> Yep. >> Um, >> and where's this meeting being held at the library? >> Yeah.
>> Um, and it's okay if two of us make it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Two guys make quorum. So, >> yeah. >> I'll give you an update when we get closer. >> Yeah. If I can make >> Yeah, it's a week from you won't be able to make it. >> I I can't I definitely can't make it. Yeah. I'll be in Medford in quarter or
10. So it'll be a tough uh >> Very good. >> I guess the biggest thing my first question for town council would be I mean it's right in our bylaw connections to different buildings separate an independent building sewer shall be provided for every building. M. >> So, does that mean it has to go all the
way down to the street and then a new connection in the street as compared to going through, >> you know, house one to that ADU unit type of thing, which is what that one on Kimble Street that I talked to you about, >> six months ago. So, that's right in our
bylaw that >> you can't. >> So, >> so we may actually have to change the bylaws for this to to work. >> That's correct. >> But, it sounds like it's going to be >> I mean, we're expecting >> Yeah. to be >> not inundated but have multiple
requests. Right. >> We're gonna have dozens of these happen. >> No, I I agree. I think so. >> So, >> Bill, when you were gone, my other my other concern with that was that um >> the mandatory housing for the
um the tea community thing, you know, saying we have to have a lot of >> two families or whatever. And so I didn't know if people are going to do it by an ADU or whatever. So I just figured, you know, it's kind of twofold that we might get a bunch of requests,
>> especially if the T's, you know, holding public funding back or whatever, whatever the agreement is, but >> Right. And that would council does supersede our regulations. >> Yeah. >> Right. It could correct. >> Yeah. And supposedly those federal ADUs
are regulations are a lot less lenient than the states and the federal ones are supposed to trump the state which usually doesn't work that way. But apparently this will >> y >> at least from you know what I read. But yeah, it'd be good to get it in front of
the console just so >> Mhm. I mean, I think we discussed last week what the fee structure would be and we were looking at just a possible flat rate for a flat rate fee for the >> anything. >> Was it like two bedrooms and under? Were
we kind of sticking with >> Yeah, I thought that's what we said too >> with that. And then you would go with the additional bedroom scale like you do on the regular connections. >> Um, yeah, but then it was okay. Does it run to the street or does it Now we now we get the bylaw. So, >> right,
>> you know, I it's almost strange to run it to the original house cuz as I said before, you know, 20 years from now, they're going to be, you know, if not sooner, people going to sell off that piece of land with a house on it and
there could be all kinds of other issues later, >> right? I think the ADUs because the maximum square footage is 900 square f feet, I think they're going to typically be one bedroom, right? Yeah. you know, just because of the size of a, you know, kitchen, bathroom type of thing.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. But, but even then, it could be that footprint, you know, depending on the property actually might be 20 ft from tying into the street or running an L to a house that's set back and then back to the street, you know.
So, agree. >> Yeah. So, I I guess that bylaw is probably >> that'll be more interesting than either. Can you look at it as a case-byase basis? >> Yes. >> Well, not Yeah. But not with the bylaws the way they're written right now. Saying everything's got to go through
have its own connection, right? Every individual dwelling. So, >> um, so yeah. >> Well, then that solves our problem. Got a got ahead of it and we already got our meeting. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> And find out what they want to do. >> Yeah. I'm looking forward to seeing how
this meeting with the council goes and we'll be able to have a lot more answers. I think after that and our discussion will be >> something we could town council the building committee and every planning board or >> town board it's just the town
>> no I didn't know if there were representatives from each uh >> department getting used to this town thing. >> All right. Um so we'll certainly keep that on the agenda >> y
>> next time. And um now we're going to be talking about a um a fun day here at the DPW, the touch a truck for kids. And uh it's a fundraiser as I understand. Um and what is the uh
funds going to? I know it's for the kids, but >> So not a fundraiser. We are asking people to bring school supplies, pencils, supplies, crayons, notebooks, backpacks. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So a school supply rate, >> right? So, the schools will be
collecting that and they'll pass it out at at school with the kids that need it when they see a kid that needs >> hopefully some supporters that day. >> Yeah. And it should be a fun event. We hope a lot of people show up, young and old. >> Yeah.
>> Is there a list of uh what's needed for donations or is it just school supplies? >> No, pencils. >> No, I didn't know if there was anything more in need. That's all. Uh there is a flyer that might mention more but the basic stuff is is good enough the brain.
>> I know in my job in my work uh we we went out today we all pitched in and bought 60 we 60 bucks worth of stuff and put in the box. We have a box at local roots. Um nobody seems to be putting stuff in so we we started it for them. So we'll see. >> But we bought crayons, we bought
notebooks, we bought I mean pencils and pens and everything. Okay, great. >> Awesome. >> Yeah, >> that's great. >> It's a fantastic idea. So, >> when is the event again? >> Kudos to next Friday. >> Friday, August 22nd.
>> 12:30 to 2:30 here at the DBW. >> Oh, you? >> Yeah. >> Okay, great. >> Flying around the front door. >> I was running in. I wasn't reading. >> So, it's kind of spearheaded by one of our former Stewart Commissioners. I'm
sorry. >> Former chair of the sewer commission is kind of spearheading it. >> Yes. >> Great. >> So, he wanted us to bring it up here in case the commission wanted to do something. >> Yeah. I don't know >> if like if we wanted a table out there
if we wanted to I don't know like I said if we have any money in our budget to do something you know um you know any notices you know you know people want to any info on sewer or whatnot you know I have some pamphlets on not to put you
know >> what to and not to put down the drain um things like that. Um, I mean, >> just say no to. >> Yeah. Or, um, you know, or I mean, the only other thing that I could think of is, you know, we could do popcorn or
cotton candy. I don't know. Um, it would come out of our budget. It would be under $100, but >> a dunk tank. >> What time is it? >> It's hot out. >> Um, >> 12:30.
>> Is it 12:30 today? >> Yeah, 12:30. There will be food. There's going to be people hot dogs on the food. >> I'll double check with the wife, but I'm home and I have an industrial cotton candy machine and I have all the support. So, I I'll just come down here and donate it and run it. It's
>> Yeah, that >> the least I can do. >> Yeah, that that would be great. Yeah. >> Do we have any literature already about what not to put down? >> We do. We do. Yeah, I have >> stack of Oh, you haven't seen one of Bill's uh PSA yet. He's uh he's on it about every three months. No, I mean
it's certainly good to have >> Well, you said it's been working too, right? >> It has helped. It >> does. It was a mailed notice, too, right? >> We put it with the uh bills >> bills. We mentioned it at town meeting and at slug board meetings and it did help. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. You brought up the special the special town meeting, I think, too, right? >> Yeah. I always try to throw it in. >> Just throw it in there. >> Yeah. No, people are pretty oblivious. >> Yeah. >> Obviously, to what they flush down the toilet, you know, whether they're on whether they want something or a soup, you know, they really are. So,
>> so we we like I said, we do have um >> little packets info, you know, with, you know, u little gifts and images on them. >> So, very uh image friendly. >> That's good. >> Yeah. So, Scott, if you bring that, we
can do put a big [Music] I have a table. I'll bring a table. I'll double check. I know I have tons of uh the sugar. I'll just order more. Uh >> okay. >> The cotton the the stems.
>> That would be great. I think the kids would love it. I mean, >> yeah. Send them full of sugar and then let them ride on the plows. Yeah. >> Well, I'm bringing one of my trucks. I can't go from the cotton candy in my truck. >> I knew your run the espresso machine.
>> I got a mini one, man. I don't know, man. This is I'd be working real hard. >> Yeah. All right. Yeah, we'll we'll uh we'll take care of Is there a rain day? No. >> No, we don't have No, but All right. That would be great. >> Okay. >> I can if I can make that I I'll volunteer to grill or anything like
that, you know. >> Beautiful. >> Okay. >> You know, >> excellent. All right. >> That's going to be fun. >> All right, gentlemen. Um now we have the um a discussion a
general discussion regarding uh easements and extensions. Um I mean basically we basically covered that in our public comment. Um and I don't know if you gentlemen had a chance to go over all the regulations
that um director Brandon us few weeks ago. So I have them all >> high. starting but nice. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, >> reading comprehension was never my best subject. >> So, I knew Ed and there's others that have come forward and said, you know,
we're thinking about doing this project, right? And it's going to be an extension and it might require an easement. So, I wanted you to guys to to read the rag so that when they do come in for the hearing >> Yeah. >> Right. We know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Thank you for sending that.
>> Yeah. So up to >> Oh, I did. >> I think it was in 22 they changed the rags. There was no um easements prior to that, >> right? Without some really bad hardship. Um but now they are allowable. There are
some conditions. Um my opinion, I think Ed's project probably meets the conditions. So, but we'll see. You know, >> so Sunny Hill Road is in the district. There's no sewer on Sunny Hill Road other than that one that went up a couple houses to Mr. Varelos's. I
remember that happened few years back, you know, whatever. >> Yeah. >> 10 years ago. But Sunny Hill Road, >> which end of Sunny Hill? >> The West Street. >> The West Street. Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, >> but it is in the district, >> right? It's within the the approved
sewer area, >> right? >> Yeah. >> But the last manhole the other way is where Elm comes up to Sunny Hill, >> right? And then it goes all the way back down to Lemus Road, right? >> So there's kind of that blank area where his his property is, >> right? So I think part of his easement,
unless he changes his mind, he wants to go through a property on West Street, right, and connect on West Street. >> Oh, no kidding. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So he wants, unless he changes it, he wanted to put the easement for the four
new houses in the back. >> Yeah. >> Right. and you know run parallel to Sunny Hill and then down to West Street through one of the neighbors properties. >> Okay. >> What's the neighbor say? Yeah, I was just gonna say he didn't
mention that part that he might have changed, but >> and and and as far as real estate goes, you know, like value of, you know, how much square footage is your land, you know, that's something that's I'm a real estate agent and, you know, people don't like the scent of people being able to
just traverse through your backyard to get to where they need to for utilities, you know. So, I don't know, >> right? I thought >> that could happen to a lot of properties and that would bring a um a lot of properties in Lunenburgg having that and
maybe not as attractive as it is now. >> Yeah, but in the end it's still the neighbor's decision. >> That's what I was just saying. It's their private property. I'm just saying. But if it becomes common practice, somebody has, you know, if it's better development, if it's a for better development for the town and the town's
getting money, then people start to lose their ability to say no to easements. See, I I I thought one of his properties went down to right at the tail end of Sunny Hill Road in in Lemonster Road. I thought I thought when he was just talking, I thought that's where he was
going to run that pipeline down. >> Believe it does, but it's all through the wetlands. >> Right. Exactly. >> So, he doesn't want to go that way. >> No. Okay. >> I mean, my my gut feeling is that's kind of a whole different ballgame if he's taken in. >> I'm just saying. Yeah.
>> Yeah. No, I agree. That's kind of my gut feeling. I I thought it was an easement from lot one that he owned to lot two that he owned to lot three that he owned to lot four that he owned down to the main that he owned. Well, that's why even the >> but but talking about easements through other people's properties is kind of in
my mind >> well it was the the crude >> that he had was showing you know basically it running this way about three or four houses here saying the easement is about 25 ft back but then this the common driveway and at least
one house here and I was like well where's that line going and so now you're talking about forget this easement there's this coming through and then what do you do when >> you know 15 years from now this guy >> builds a fence
>> and now his fence needs to be taken down because the sewer line needs to be rebuilt or whatever. You know what I mean? I'm just saying it's >> it's just one of those things. It's like well it's just going to be a headache for somebody down the road. >> Um but you know whatever. We'll wait
till we see the the the plans and in the end I mean >> right if it has to do with cost effectiveness >> know but I mean if the neighbor is says okay you know it whatever agreement that he has with them who knows you know I
know the property that I purchased I had to sign off and read all about this uh land swap they did behind the property so they could build Um uh they needed I I mean I I get
technically it's a common driveway um that goes down to like one two three three or four houses right down next to my property and um >> you know probably just because it was a road they had to give up, you know, they needed some of his land and they just
traded some stuff in the back which >> what if somebody has major construction going on, right? And um they need to have heavy equipment going through the easement, right? Um they're doing an ADU. They're doing an ADU. >> They're putting an ADU in. They're going to bring in cranes. They're going to bring whatever they're going to bring. I
don't know. Move trees. This and that. So now you got heavy equipment powering through somebody's private backyard, you know? >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> Is that something we want the town to look like, you know? >> Right.
Well, I mean, I've been asking from day one. We pretty much know now what I've been asking, but what was the sewer's master plan and existence for and what should we be looking for? We know now we're not going
to overwhelm the system. We know now that there's newer sections in town than what the original plan called for, but we're still not going to overwhelm the system, even if the original ones come on. But we're in the era of, you know, if there's land, build on it. And
>> yeah, >> well, if there's another plan they can have that's not as cost effective, >> you know, is there are they just talking are they talking through a cost effective method, the plan that they're going to put forward, and it's not something that's best for the town or for property ownership? Is there another
way that's not as cost effective, but still maintains the people's privacy, you know, for the plan and still build the home? >> Yeah. I mean just just as you say cost effective. Yes. That's why he wants the easement because it's >> Yeah. >> cost it's >> so his cost effectiveness for his
profits. >> Why why do we have to change the way we are as a town? Because of his profit. You see what I'm saying? Because he's going to be cost effective for himself. Why do we have to change the way the town looks? >> Well, I Yes, I I understand that. And you know, it's
>> we have no gain off that. We're not gaining off that. That's for him to gain, not the town. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I I fully agree, but like I said, but I'd rather, you know, the fact that he he showed up to the meeting to just
generally put it out there and Right. >> And so when we get the plan, you know, >> but that's just something to consider. I want I want to be considered >> experts. But yeah, I understand you've been here a lot longer than I have, but this is also my uh uh forever home. Um,
yeah. >> So, yeah, I don't want to see, you know, I moved here because I I liked seeing trees in land and not my neighbor 13t out my window. >> Gravel roads.
>> Our bylaws, gentlemen, is that >> we're not actually permitted to control or we're not here to control the development of land. We're simply here to address the >> Well, those are concerns.
>> We're not controlling. He was talking about the >> the reason for the easement is to lower the cost of the developer of the development. It's not um >> and and hopefully stop future potential problems to the
environment potentially. We'll see what other things that he's going to come up with. >> I think it' be interesting. Yeah, I I I understand. You know, >> there's other concerns more than that from what I understand that might be worth considering. That's all I'm saying.
>> Well, we won't know till we have that meeting. >> Um, also, uh, what was I going to say? It's funny about the trees, but what a lot of people don't realize is, uh, that Massachusetts was 97% treeless as recent
as 1900. >> Yep. And >> Yeah, I know. Yeah, because it was all clear for >> that's all they didn't replant. >> Yeah, they Well, the the strange phenomena is, you know, farmland being built on, you would think less trees.
>> Mhm. >> Well, the fact is trees grow between houses quite a bit too >> and behind and any area that's not developed. Um, so the u volume of trees has been intensely increased. I mean,
even Lunberg was largely farmland right up into the 60s. You drive down any road now. >> No, I've seen pictures of my property from 1900. >> Farmland, but the rest of it is woods and that was open just >> Yeah. No, no. I mean, I know even from >> So, mother nature's on the rebound. We
got >> even from, you know, the original settlers. Yeah. It was kind of well known and it was um >> I love trees, but sometimes they have a habit of growing in places that you don't want them. Well, that's how rodents and squirrels and everything get into your roof. That's how they do it.
>> Anyways, >> I didn't mean to go off on a tangent there, >> but >> the good news is Massachusetts went from 3% tree coverage till about to somewhere in 60 something%. >> Um, so is there any other discussions
regarding to easements and extensions at this time? Well, I just I just want to point out um the section 10 uh waivers, right? There's a three criteria there. So, that we should be ready to talk about those. So, uh
waivers can be granted uh emergency circumstances threaten the safe and continued use of the property that a waiver may resolve. So he, you know, he's he's probably going to argue that >> alternatives to the waiver present an
undue hardship to any person or entity affected thereby. So they probably argue that, right? You know, the future homeowner be asked to replace the septum. >> They may not be able to get in there all too easy.
>> Yeah. And let's say the third one is the commission deems it in the best interest of the town and not otherwise inconsistent with the purpose and objectives thereof. So, you know, he's he's got to argue that,
please. But that's interesting that last comment because it kind of goes right against what you were saying, right? Because the our purpose is to not look in the I'm sorry, uh how did you word it? Um >> guide the development.
>> We weren't here to like hinder any progress development. Hence that kind of set it right there that we are supposed to be looking in the best interest of the town. So there's a you know there's a whole >> but there's a lot of different
>> Well, you know what I'm saying? I'm just saying you know t for tat there it is. Um but you know look in the end there's tons of planning boards and everything. So >> um I'm not about that. >> I just want the system to function.
That's all. >> Any help? Thank you for that, director. >> You're welcome. >> Yeah. And that's why we brought it up because there's a lot to this. We want to make sure we do >> with the time. >> It should be a it should be a very
interesting meeting, I think. And >> well, it could be, you know, a current um how do I want to say this? Um, sorry, I just don't want to say something that's, you know, off, but uh,
we'd be setting a bit of a precedent with something that we know is going to escalate that we're going to have more requests, you know, coming up in the future. So, how we handle this will kind of dictate >> which way we're going to roll. Um, so that's why, you know, it's the, you
know, measure twice, cut, measure twice, cut once, right? Uh, >> but there's also, again, unlike other precedents that could be set because it's case by case,
>> you know, that is specific parts of any situation that almost guaranteed to be a little bit different than the next one that's trying to do the same thing. And if we think that renders a positive decision in their favor, then we will. If we don't,
>> you know, we we're just going to take it case by case and and >> yeah, >> think it through. >> I understand changes. The topography changes, >> you know, whatever. I'm new to this. You know, Dan is somewhat new to this, but in the sense of being on the board,
Arthur's new to this. Um it's more of okay well here's three people that are cutting their teeth on this decision that will you know help shape the future albe it small of the town. So, it's more of we're being a little more cautious,
you know? I mean, look, I I think I've been here 3 years this month and I all I hear I have no idea how the Wham development got built considering, you know, what I hear people say about it. You know what I mean? The the townies of
Lunberg, how the how did it get built if they're all so against it, you know what I mean? So I'm like, you know, somebody did something or something got rushed through. So I just don't want to be, you know, on that side of history. How's that? You know what I mean? So >> me killed a lot of
>> No. >> Well, there's your answer. >> Yeah. >> I'm hearing what Scott's saying because that's really what I was bringing up. >> Unfortunately, >> Arthur lived in a house right next to it. So >> yes.
>> Um, yeah. So anyways, I mean, look, I'm still learning. I kind of know the uh the areas of contention in town, and so now it's just go forward. And >> I know one thing, when there's a builder involved, you know, when there's a
builder involved, there's always the the bottom line, right? So, we're a town and we just we don't have to comply with their bottom line. >> Yeah. And that's a beautiful thing about commissions. You have different points
of view, people from different ways of life, from different points. >> It's always good to have fresh eyes and we have some fresh eyes and >> fresh eyes. >> My background my background I was an OSI special agent and I was an investigator for the DoD. So I've done a lot of this
is I'm always thinking for the for the other side too, you know, and it just naturally happens for me. So that's why I brought that up, you know, that's probably the way I think. >> Yeah. No, it's always good. You have to play devil's advocate. at some point and it's the same reason why I I bring up things just because it's another point
of view and you just try to get it from every angle and >> um but I also am open-minded and will change my point of view if I'm educated on it. So it's you know I'm not one of those ones that dig their heels and then
just be stubborn to be stubborn. Um, but yeah, no, it's just to kind of get everything out there and have it out there and then make the best decision we can. >> Y, >> like I said, we're not, you know, we're not splitting atoms here. >> Well, thank you everybody.
>> I think that was a good discussion by itself. That was a good >> Yeah. >> All right. Um, do we have any updates on the manhole repair if >> No, I I think I reported the last time that um they did most of the work on the
inside of the manholes. >> They're hiring a sub to replace uh framing covers and that work hasn't been scheduled yet. >> Once that's scheduled and done, then they'll go to those manholes, do the inside, then the job will be over. So,
I'm assuming it'll be before the first frost. >> Yeah. Do you know? >> Yeah. >> Do you know if that's likely it could be accomplished before winter or >> Yes, it will be. >> Well, with how dry it's been, >> I don't even know if we're getting a
good read on what's leaking. >> That's okay. We like that. >> Yeah. >> All right. Um, peace, we're already at uh the place where we talk about future agenda items. gentlemen. >> Um
>> well, by the time we get to the next one, we'll have had the town council meeting. >> That's correct. Discuss what >> and have Yeah. What what came up from that, especially where >> I don't think that's televised, right? >> Nope. >> No.
>> Excellent. Um, of course, um, maybe we can keep the touch of truck on there just to hear how the event went. >> Yeah, sure. >> A nice little positive
thing to talk about. Um, I expect um I don't know if they'll get their information together quick enough for the next meeting, but obviously we'll be if they're ready to come before us that we'll be
discussing the the adventures decisions. >> Um, >> yeah. So, when they formally request the extension, that has to be a public hearing. So, that's a different posting. I think we have to give five days notice it has to go in the newspaper.
>> I know it will. >> Yeah. >> So, may not be the next meeting, but >> we'll see. >> Whenever that happens. >> Yeah. Excellent. Um and then
uh I guess that's about it. Should we keep the manhill poles on there? >> Yeah. until we hopefully have an update. >> Let us know where we are if we're any further. If not, that's okay. >> Just some more food for thought and
keeping things fresh. Um, other than that, gentlemen, I can't think of anything else. And of course, anything that um Andrew or >> the director comes up with that should be added on here would be >> depends on who comes through the door. >> What was that?
>> I said it depends on who comes through the door. >> Of course. Of course. >> Um, can we put it out there for the donations for the um toucher truck? Do you guys Are you accepting them here? If people can't make it that day, can they drop off? >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Be my guest. >> Yeah. If anybody has any school supplies and wants to donate it before the event on Friday the 23rd, >> 22nd, uh, feel free to come and see Andrew or Bill at the TPW. >> Yep. We'll take it. >> During office hour.
You don't want to come into a pile of crayons at the door in the morning. >> Excuse me. What was Ed's last name? >> Mick Sweeney. >> Mweeny. Okay, I got that right. >> Very good, gentlemen. Um, all right. Is there any comment? Uh, there's no public, I assume. Just any commissioners
or staff have comment while we move on. Okay. And then uh upcoming scheduled sewer commission activities would be uh the a August the 26th um 6 p.m. it's going to be a Zoom meeting and then our
September 9th uh meeting is going to be here the DPW at 7 p.m. a hybrid meeting and then of course September 30th at 6 p.m. will also be a Zoom meeting. And
then October 14th um will be a 700 p.m. regular hybrid meeting here. And um so I'm going to ask that we get a um a motion to adjurnn for the evening. >> I'll make a motion to adjurnn. I'll
second that. Right. We have a motion. It's been seconded. Arurk. >> Hi. >> And Dan. >> Hi. >> Scott. >> Hi. >> And I for myself. Thank you, Lunberg.