WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=TRmRLJKYE-U Part: 1 1 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:27.680 Uh, good evening everybody. Uh, good evening Lunenberg. My name is Brett Ramston. Um, there's our call to order for the Lunberg Sewer Commission at 6:01 p.m. Um, my name is Brett Ramston. I'm the chairman of the chairman of the sewer commission. And I would like to 2 00:00:27.680 --> 00:00:42.399 start our meeting the way we always do with the pledge of allegiance to the flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag United States of America >> and to the republic for which it stands. 3 00:00:42.399 --> 00:01:00.160 One nation under God, >> indivisibley for all. >> Thank you all. In accordance with the requirement of open meeting law, please be advised that this meeting of the sewer commission is being recorded and will be able to be found on the Lunberg 4 00:01:00.160 --> 00:01:16.720 YouTube access channel after the meeting. The following information is also provided for members of the public that would like to attend uh or participate in the meeting remotely. To participate remotely from a computer, please use the link to join the public 5 00:01:16.720 --> 00:01:31.680 meeting webinar found on the posted agenda or from a telephone. Dial the link uh uh dial the toll-free number 888 >> 4754499 and enter the webinar ID number 6 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:50.799 83587249940. If you have not registered with Zoom, you will be asked uh for your name and your email address. Note, no participant ID is needed. Just press pound when asked. I will do a roll call vote to 7 00:01:50.799 --> 00:02:11.440 confirm all members and staff are here. And when I call, please respond to your name in the affir affirmative. We'll start with uh Scott D. Looks like he's uh close by. >> All right. 8 00:02:11.440 --> 00:02:28.480 >> Just came in. He is here. >> We'll skip Scott for now. We'll come back to him. Um Dan Proctor >> here. >> Arthur Cadis >> here. >> Chip Olson >> here. 9 00:02:28.480 --> 00:02:48.080 Um and uh I myself program here and Scott are you hearing yet? That's all right. U moving on to the staff. Um yes, I'll start with Bill 10 00:02:48.080 --> 00:03:05.040 >> here >> and Andrew Valier >> here. >> And Jane Renley >> here. >> All right. If there are any public comments or comments from the commission uh or staff, um I'd love to hear them 11 00:03:05.040 --> 00:03:23.040 now. I assume we have no no public. Um all right, very good. I guess we'll move right into current business. Um starting with the minutes. Um, they look good to me and would like 12 00:03:23.040 --> 00:03:40.239 to ask if everyone had a chance to look at it. I'm ready to accept them um with a yay or nay. >> I did them. I'm good with them. I'll make a motion that we accept the minutes of 69 26. Okay. 13 00:03:40.239 --> 00:03:56.879 >> Can I have a second? Second. >> We have a vote. It's been seconded. We'll start with Art. Yay. Ship. >> Yay. >> Dan, >> hey. >> Scott, if you're there 14 00:03:56.879 --> 00:04:13.280 and I for myself the minutes pass. Thank you everybody. Um, also we'll be moving on to uh straight into our sewer business manager DBW director updates and we'll jump right on 15 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:31.600 to that manhole recovery IFB. Um, and I don't know if uh Billy, did you want to take over on this part? >> Yeah. So, the um contract um completion date was today, but they 16 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:49.360 were done last week. Uh they they did it all except for one. Um there was one on Laurel Lane. No, on Prospect Street near Laurel Lane. And every time they went there, they took the gas readings and the readings were 17 00:04:49.360 --> 00:05:05.600 unsafe to go into the manhole. So, they didn't do that one. I believe that's the the manhole that the Lemonster Road pump station pumps into. Um, so it's not surprising there's a lot of gas in there. And we do get a few 18 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:22.240 calls now and then for, you know, a smell of gas in that area. Um, but when they eyeballed it, they didn't like the looks of it. They actually recommended replacing the manle manhole in kind completely. So, we'll have to think 19 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:38.000 about that. Yeah. >> But other than that, they did a good job and hopefully we see the fruits of it. We'll tell when it starts raining again, right? Could we continue this discussion 20 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:54.560 on to investigating the replacement of that or uh or at least further investigation on that particular manhole basin? >> Absolutely. Yeah. >> How deep is how deep is that manhole, 21 00:05:54.560 --> 00:06:10.000 Bill? >> They're pretty deep over there. It's probably 15 feet anyway. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Yikes. Egress. >> Not it. >> No, I've been to eight I've been eight 22 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:26.880 feet in in Alaska. 8 feet in Alaska I've been under, but not >> Yeah. >> That's far. >> But certainly below the pressure line. >> Yeah. >> So that climb down a climb flow manhole if if there's that much gases coming out 23 00:06:26.880 --> 00:06:43.919 of it. Is there a lot of flow in it as well, Bill? >> So >> yeah, there's a lot Yeah, >> like I said, it's it's where Lemonster Road pump station dumps into. >> Yeah. >> Every time that pump kicks on, right? 24 00:06:43.919 --> 00:06:59.440 >> Yeah. >> So, >> that you think that was some form of a design flaw or do you think that was just easy way to handle that flow at the time? >> No, it's it's typical what they did. 25 00:06:59.440 --> 00:07:19.440 It's it's just, you know, all that, you know, burst of surge going in there and all the gases build up and it eats away at the concrete eventually. >> Yeah. >> All right. Uh what are our what should 26 00:07:19.440 --> 00:07:36.319 our first steps be there? Uh Mr. Director, regarding uh you know checking this out further and investigating. Um there shouldn't is there there's no need to bring in the um any kind of an engineering team or anything is that we can just visually 27 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:53.919 inspect it and >> well I don't think so because it it was on our list right we knew we knew it had issues and you know and then these guys are saying it's might be beyond what we had on our list >> so I guess what we can do is 28 00:07:53.919 --> 00:08:10.319 I can put another invitation for bid out there to to replace that one man, but at the same time line it with the epoxy so it hopefully it would last longer. Um the the big issue I see is though you 29 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:33.440 know the lemons the road dumping into it all the time, >> right? >> So >> we just divert it into the Marramac like April. So night work. It's It's going to be a tough one to 30 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:49.680 replace. >> Is it? Yeah. Going to uh probably block the entire road trying to >> It's going to be a big hole down. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> So I guess the big question is what kind 31 00:08:49.680 --> 00:09:05.760 of necessity where does it fall on the priority list? probably on the low end if you're talking about that. You said it has a seal around it or a uh a skirt. What did you mention a few 32 00:09:05.760 --> 00:09:22.640 minutes ago? >> I said we should seal the inside of it when we do place it, you know, seal inside of the new one. >> Well, what's the status? What's the state of the deterioration? Is it going to be one of those things that just ends 33 00:09:22.640 --> 00:09:41.839 up collapsing into itself or are we just finding it now and we have enough time to address it properly? >> Yeah, my best guess is we have plenty of time to address it. I don't I don't think it's in that bad shape, but we should get a better look at it. We can 34 00:09:41.839 --> 00:09:58.640 have our our contractor CTE pump the cover, get some flashlights, take a good look. Then we can figure out how much time we got. But again, I'm gonna have to put a contract together because it's that's that's a big one. It's going to be a big one. 35 00:09:58.640 --> 00:10:14.720 >> Yeah. >> Did you physically see it, Bill? >> I have not >> when when they were there. >> No, I did not. >> No. Okay. Just wondering if anyone has. >> Well, can anyone bring an excavator down and then lower Arthur in? 36 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:32.800 >> Sure. I'll supply the excavator. We'll get We'll get him a scuba scuba outfit. >> He's gonna need a mask for sure. >> We'll put a sling under each arm and just >> just put dirt over me after. Let's just put dirt over after. That's all. 37 00:10:32.800 --> 00:10:48.640 >> Edit. >> Uh thank you everybody. Um yeah, I just figured we throw that around a little before we moved on. Very good. I've been down in a a well about that deep once and you look 38 00:10:48.640 --> 00:11:04.240 up and the hole at the top looks like it's about two feet around and feel like you're in the middle of the earth. It's pretty interesting. >> Had no interest in ever doing that again. So, moving right along, we have uh let's see 39 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:21.519 um the CTE pump station repairs FY27 and sewer OM on and M uh IFB. Um who would like to take on this one? Andrew or 40 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:37.519 >> probably both of it. Yeah, I mean I can speak of um what we're doing for some um repair work for 2027 um West Street generator repairs that need to be done. Um some of this left 41 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:54.560 over from this last fiscal year that we were unable to complete. Um we have so that's West Streets and then we also have um Lemonster Road generator repairs. Um, so we already have the estimates for 42 00:11:54.560 --> 00:12:10.560 them and it is in our budget for FY27. So they will be um remedied and um the bill has anything else to add. He can >> uh Andrew, what are those other cost estimates we've been holding off on? What's um 43 00:12:10.560 --> 00:12:25.839 >> Oh, uh Dina Street. Um yep, Dana Street repairs. Um let's see. So we have I mean I have those estimates. So and I'm I'm just in the process of uh 44 00:12:25.839 --> 00:12:44.320 creating uh purchase orders for FY27 for CTE. Um but the other thing is that our contract also ends in August. Right. Phil with them. >> Right. Right. So their contract is up at the end of August, August 26th. 45 00:12:44.320 --> 00:13:01.760 So, it's the contract says we can extend two times. So, that essentially makes it a three-year contract. We're at the end of year three >> out to bit again. So, >> close. >> Yeah. So, I've put that contract 46 00:13:01.760 --> 00:13:18.880 together. Um I sent it out to uh our procurement people in town hall. Um the goal is to get it out on the street by July 8th. And I forgot what the bid opening date is, but 47 00:13:18.880 --> 00:13:35.839 it I think it's like three weeks after that, so we can have it in place for August 27th so we don't miss a day, >> right? >> So, it's it's essentially the same contract as before. I I fixed it up a 48 00:13:35.839 --> 00:13:51.360 little bit, made it a little easier to follow, I think. Um, cleaned up the bid items a little bit. And then I went into our operation and maintenance manual and I copied the pages that have the checklist of 49 00:13:51.360 --> 00:14:07.680 everything that should be done and I put that in there too so the contractor will know what he's bidding on. >> Great. And out of curiosity, I know it's a a little off subject, but um we've 50 00:14:07.680 --> 00:14:24.160 still ever since that those letters went out regarding, you know, be careful where you put in your toilets. We haven't been replacing too many pumps themselves since then, have we? We've been doing far better as I recall. >> I think we have. Um we haven't really 51 00:14:24.160 --> 00:14:40.560 had anything major happen. Knock on knock on wood. >> Right. Since we did that, the number of calls for clogs, you know, and pumps failing because of clogs has really come down. >> What is the sewer commission's 52 00:14:40.560 --> 00:14:57.519 involvement as far as like voting on stuff when with the contractors that you're putting out to bid? Anything involved with us or >> H? Good question. Um, I probably should send you guys the the contract language, 53 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:17.040 see what you think. Um, I will do that. >> We always review the bids together. >> Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I'm trying to think back. >> And then throw things around. >> Excellent. Yeah, that would be great, 54 00:15:17.040 --> 00:15:33.839 Mr. Director, if you could do that. And um, did we have uh The computer's moving on me? There it is. Um, do we have any other questions or thoughts regarding the 55 00:15:33.839 --> 00:15:51.040 FYI 27? >> No. >> IFB. All right. Then um then uh we have our end ofear adjustments um to look at. Andrew, uh what do we have going on 56 00:15:51.040 --> 00:16:06.160 there? >> So I know that negative number looks bad. It's really It's not too bad. It's because we had that one lot that we um with all the water that was going on for six weeks that went into the drain and that one person had that $6,000 bill. 57 00:16:06.160 --> 00:16:21.839 So, it kind of nulls kind of all the final readings that we've had for the last month after the quarter 4 period. Uh so, it's just the end of end of year adjustments. So, I just need signatures from all the commissioners uh well 58 00:16:21.839 --> 00:16:39.040 before July 15. So, if um maybe after the 4th if anyone could stop by the office or maybe we can try and get a uh docu signed. I know I need uh I still need Scott's signature on the original quarter 4 commitment. Um but I do need everyone's signature. Basically signing 59 00:16:39.040 --> 00:16:54.720 another commitment just for the end of the year. >> Um and that >> you want to send me the link. I'll take care of it. I I don't know if I miss I don't know where I missed it. >> Um let's see. Because we didn't do a docu sign on it, right, Bill? Now that we >> were in house and you were at work, I 60 00:16:54.720 --> 00:17:10.799 believe, >> right? >> Ah, okay. Yep. >> All right. Uh, yeah, we'll figure it out. >> Okay. All right. >> I was a little shocked by that $6,000 uh bill that 61 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:27.280 >> it was it was a little very high. So, I mean, basically, end of year adjustments totaled out with final readings is negative. Uh, In the end, we still she still was charged her average rate. So, 62 00:17:27.280 --> 00:17:47.039 it was really overstated revenue to begin with. >> It never was a material thing. It's not a true loss, >> right? >> Thank you. >> Looks bad on paper. >> Thanks for working all that out, Andrew. 63 00:17:47.039 --> 00:18:01.760 Um, so we have to vote on this. Is that correct? Uh, correct. >> All right. Um, and I didn't see any problem with it. Uh, do we have any questions from other commissioners 64 00:18:01.760 --> 00:18:19.360 or we go put this to a vote? >> Uh, what are we voting on? Sorry. >> Um, did you see the attachment Andrew sent us regarding the um, >> um, yesterday briefly? just >> ju just to note, you know, to say that, 65 00:18:19.360 --> 00:18:34.720 you know, the amount that I, you know, really adjust. >> Oh, that one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. I thought it was some other project. >> All right. I I'll make a motion to accept the what's it a waiver exception? >> Oh, it's the end of year. 66 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:50.400 >> Oh, sorry. The end of your adjustments. >> End of year adjustments. Yeah, >> I'll second that. >> And do I have a second? >> Yeah, I'll second that. All right. Very good. Um, we'll start the vote with Chip 67 00:18:50.400 --> 00:19:06.799 >> I. >> And Dan >> I. >> Scott >> I. >> And Art >> I. >> And I for myself. Motion carries. Thank you everybody. Um, all right. the 68 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:24.160 uh looking for an update from Bill regarding uh 100 Laurel Lane where we sit there. We're getting close to the end. So, like we discussed the last time, um I'm putting out contract language to install 69 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:39.679 three pressure lines from the manhole to the property line. So, I have that all written up. Again, that's with our procurement people in town hall. Hopefully, that's going out also on July 8th. 70 00:19:39.679 --> 00:19:57.520 So, once that's installed, we're done there. >> Good job. >> Yeah. >> Until the next connection. >> All right, then. Any other any further questions regarding 100 Laurel Lane? 71 00:19:57.520 --> 00:20:11.600 All right. So, uh, yeah, let's look at the, uh, fourth quarter FY26. Um, there's a demands recap. Um, Andrew, I guess we're looking at 72 00:20:11.600 --> 00:20:28.720 total fees, total late fees, um, assessed at $1,920. >> Yep. Yep. So, the total late fees that went out just based on delinquent bills for um, the time frame. So there's about 240 um delinquent notices that went out 73 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:44.480 in the grand scheme for the whole year. That's not terrible in a in a quarter. That brings our um delinquent rate just for one quarter to 25% but total rounded wise for uh user charges for the whole 74 00:20:44.480 --> 00:21:01.360 year um were really around 11 10 11 12%. It's really not drastic. Um because, you know, I did an AR uh run on all of it. So, we're not looking too awful. Uh but 75 00:21:01.360 --> 00:21:17.840 obviously, we want to see numbers below and you know 10% and 20 definitely below 25%. But, um but I mean the 240 uh delinquent notices that went out, that's just rounded out basically for the whole 76 00:21:17.840 --> 00:21:35.919 year. What do you normally see? I mean, I haven't, you know, obviously been on the commission that long, but what do you normally see with delinquent bills? Like, how how long does it take for people to come current? Like, and if we're running at 11% like what's ideal, 77 00:21:35.919 --> 00:21:50.400 how do we fix it, >> you know, or >> Right. So, I mean, at the end of I mean, basically, so we're at the end of the uh fiscal year for as of today. Um, so anything that was not really paid for 78 00:21:50.400 --> 00:22:07.840 this past fiscal year in November, the remaining bills will get put on a tax lean onto everyone's property. So I mean way >> okay you do something. >> Yeah, it does get paid for or it has to, you know, whether you know obviously more >> eventually. Yeah, eventually 79 00:22:07.840 --> 00:22:25.120 >> could be 20 years but eventually. >> But eventually um Yeah. So, and I do find that a lot of the delinquent um customers are they're more let's say repeat uh customers from what we looked at last year. Nothing's really changed on the repeat customers um that we went 80 00:22:25.120 --> 00:22:42.880 over from last from last year. So, that's pretty much how that would go. >> Okay. I just wonder you know. >> Yep. though I mean we we do get um you know it the money gets you know back in 81 00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:58.080 some way you know >> right but it's the last resort obviously >> right yep >> gotcha >> thanks >> very good >> all right um and yes 82 00:22:58.080 --> 00:23:13.919 what do we have um what do we have new regarding the 990 um massav expansion of use uh with the sewer rigs. Regarding the sewer rigs, 83 00:23:13.919 --> 00:23:32.720 um should I ask uh Bill or Andrew about this? I mean, we me and Bill or Bill and I we went out um to the library and met with council and I mean he basically said I mean b our regulations to charge more 84 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:50.559 for what we're doing. we can't charge a um another connection fee or you know a privilege fee to those properties unfortunately. >> Um I don't know if you have anything else to add Bill. I mean what we could do we could you know increase our rates 85 00:23:50.559 --> 00:24:07.200 in general. Um that's something we can think about doing. Um but other than that I mean I don't know if Bill has anything you want to add. No, other than yeah, there was nothing in our regs that said we could charge extra fees, 86 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:22.640 >> you know, for that situation. You know, his recommendation was, yeah, if you want to raise more money, raise your existing fees a little bit. >> So, we might want to look at our connection fees or INI fee. 87 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:39.760 So what refresh my memory what did that facility get charged >> for90 let's see >> the onebedroom right expansion >> y so uh we charge them that one bedroom extension just give me one moment I'll 88 00:24:39.760 --> 00:25:08.000 bring that up for bedrooms in additional uh 220. But let's see. >> Sorry, I blanked out there for a moment, gentlemen. If I missed anything. Um, >> so were there any 89 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:25.600 >> the original charges for uh 990 um massav was you know the 5330 um they paid a betterment uh beforehand. Um and then we charged them the additional uh 220 charge for the additional bedroom fee. 90 00:25:25.600 --> 00:25:40.880 >> I think that's correct bill right? I'm pretty sure >> sounds familiar. >> Can you just explain one thing to me? So in our bylaw, it says a min minimum residential connection charge of 3,900 shall be assessed to each dwelling unit 91 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:58.120 as defined by Lunberg protective bylaw. So is a duplex two dwelling units? um a duplex. I mean it >> I would >> technically if it's 92 00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:15.520 tricky where it's like you have two, you know, se it's kind of like town houses together. So yeah, it's it's strange how that >> I thought it was kind of easily defined when it has two separate addresses, >> right? Or it's like Yeah, 93 00:26:15.520 --> 00:26:33.840 >> I owned one years ago in Medford, so What? What is that? Like a like a >> 100 Main Street A and 100 Main Street B or is it >> Yeah. Yeah. It has to do with Yeah. >> Right. So that's what I'm saying. So in 94 00:26:33.840 --> 00:26:50.640 our bylaw, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's saying that they should pay $3,900 for each unit. Correct. So, if they take a single family home and make it into two units that they're going to sell as two units, should they not be paying $3,900 for that second unit? 95 00:26:50.640 --> 00:27:06.799 >> So, that's >> even though there's only one pipe going out to the street. I understand there's only one pipe >> and say it have to that have to be just on a separate connection, right? Or new construction or I'm not even sure. 96 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:22.799 >> Right. It's a great argument that um you're bringing that up because I you know I've been thinking about it and I did speak with Bill about this as well. I mean originally when it's like they hooked up to the sewer um and we the original plans they brought up to us was 97 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:38.400 this is how it is and that's what we charge to them. they've already paid an original betterment um and then they paid the connection fee and then now they're changing the whole landscape even though it's an addition like a structure that's been there. It's not a 98 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:55.440 new structure. >> So that's where it gets a little tricky. Um you know that's what we were trying to go through. There's not our bylaws are very um they're very good but there's just nothing you know we don't have anything particular written in there um for this 99 00:27:55.440 --> 00:28:12.000 certain situation >> scenario. So to talk about the current use of that building if it's exists what's what is its current use? It's current use right now, uh, we have it listed, uh, as a single family, 100 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:27.840 >> four bedroom. Yeah. Single family. Yeah. >> Right. So, so Dan, to your point, I guess I should ask the assessor's office how they're going to look at it, right? If they're going to look at it as a duplex, I think you're right. We we could charge them that extra connection fee. 101 00:28:27.840 --> 00:28:43.919 >> Well, I think we have to because that's what's going to happen to every house. Every house is going to do the same thing. every house is going to split them in two because financially that's what's happening, right? It's just like the ADU units. It it makes sense to condoise them, split them in half, what 102 00:28:43.919 --> 00:28:59.520 have you. And I just feel like >> again, if if if that opportunity is there, the fact that we need money, then we should be making money at that point. And >> I know how it's going to go, right? I 103 00:28:59.520 --> 00:29:16.880 mean, they can show you original plans, but if things change, then it's not Yeah, >> I agree with Dan 100%. If it's I don't know how difficult it is to change something in the bylaws if it's not there now, but moving forward, we should 104 00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:33.520 look at what it how much it costs us to to change that because if you're going to change the use of something, right, in my mind, you should have to pay that extra fee and it's all fiscally driven. >> Absolutely. Yeah. you know. >> Yeah. 105 00:29:33.520 --> 00:29:57.360 >> If you're going to take a one family and turn it into a two family, >> right, >> then you should have to pay that extra, >> you know, I mean, you >> compens Yeah, we have it's compens to to rewrite some things and say, "All 106 00:29:57.360 --> 00:30:14.000 right, if you're going to take a, you know, a one-bedroom, I mean, a one, you know, a single dwelling and split it into two or three units, right? >> Yeah. >> Any expansion abuse adding, >> you know, >> you're changing the you should have to, 107 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:29.279 >> you know, my >> especially with that MBTA mandate, housing and stuff like that. So you you know between I mean to answer what Chip's question, it's basically going to be the same process that we went through 108 00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:47.559 to do the ADU fees and establish those. Right. >> Correct. >> So meet with council, get the wording, then the board needs to approve it, then it goes to the select board. Right. And then it becomes a warrant article 109 00:30:47.600 --> 00:31:04.799 >> to be voted on by the town. is if it's a regulation, you guys can do it. If it's by law, it's got to go to town meeting. >> Yeah. >> Why don't I Andrew and I would take a crack at writing the language, then we'll sit down with town council and see 110 00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:20.159 where it lands. But should we do how do we want to do we want to look at it as even if it's old work becoming a two family as opposed to just new construction just word it flat 111 00:31:20.159 --> 00:31:37.679 across the board that any time it's a second third unit we use >> there's a required fee whether it really does involve a physical connection or not installed you You know what I'm saying? I think we just got to be 112 00:31:37.679 --> 00:31:55.200 >> Is it easier to do it that way in a broad stroke or does it set us up for more indifference? Uh, you know, or interpretation, sorry. My thought is I like the 113 00:31:55.200 --> 00:32:13.760 start with the keeping it simple with expansion of use and then add that add to it any structure that adds additional um living space or um expands into 114 00:32:13.760 --> 00:32:28.960 living spaces adding new addresses something like that. If there's a new address added, it's an expansion of use. Fit that in there somewhere. And like you said, however the connections work 115 00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:45.919 out or it's not the issue. The issue is >> right. >> Is it now going to be considered a separate unit period? >> Mhm. >> Right. >> If it has on your house, >> you know, and you get an extra bedroom, >> you're not in the conversation. Right. But if you're taking your house and 116 00:32:45.919 --> 00:33:02.000 you're splitting it down the middle, you're in the conversation. That's >> that's correct. >> That's what I think. >> Does the wording of the address matter? Cuz think about that. I mean, you could, you know, just as long as it has a bedroom, a bathroom, a kitchen, it's 117 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:19.039 that's an extra uh living space. If they call it A or B or has a separate address, it shouldn't matter. And to Bill's point, I mean, I think the assessors really drive all that because that's how they're going to assess it. >> It's going to be a multif family, 118 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:35.440 duplex, condo, whatever you want to call it. It's two separate units >> is is really the best way to do it. >> And again, I just feel like that justifies another $3,900. I understand it all goes down the same pipe and we're not connecting at a 119 00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:51.279 different spot in the street, but we've already kind of discussed that and we've already waved that in in a couple of situations across the street where they have multiple units that are just coming into one pipe because we just felt that was the best way to do it. But we still should be charging in them a connection. 120 00:33:51.279 --> 00:34:05.600 So, >> yeah. Yep. >> Agreed. >> All right. Looking forward to that. I think I have enough I think I have enough to go on to put some language together and uh we'll bring it up at the next meeting. 121 00:34:05.600 --> 00:34:22.720 >> Sounds good. >> All right. Thank you, director. Um that was a good discussion everybody. Thank you. Um all right, so now we should talk about uh if we want to do any sewer commission 122 00:34:22.720 --> 00:34:38.800 reorganization. Um, and I'm just going to throw it out as a question to all members, uh, all commissioners. Um, and hold on one second. You know, do you guys want would you 123 00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:54.879 gentlemen like to stay in your current roles? Um, does anybody want to, you know, change a chair, become vice chair or clerk that isn't, or is everybody good where they are? It's 124 00:34:54.879 --> 00:35:14.400 And we stay with whatever you need. >> I'd like to be called sire. >> Oh jeez. >> My lord. >> All right. I'm happy staying on here if you gentlemen want me to stay here. Uh but if anyone wants my job, you're 125 00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:31.440 welcome to it. >> Yeah. >> You're doing a good job. You can stay there. >> I didn't even know I had a position. >> Don't have any time. I I I I accept all those bailouts and we'll go with that. 126 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:48.400 >> No, I appreciate what you're saying and uh I'll continue to do my best. Uh >> thank you, Brett. >> And um are you comfortable there, Scott, as a vice chair? >> Yeah. Yeah, I like the substitute role. >> All right. >> And uh Dan, you're our clerk, right? 127 00:35:48.400 --> 00:36:03.520 >> Yes, I am. >> Yeah. Um you're a hell of a clerk. I I think I went to the office once and signed something. >> He did he did have to he did have to do >> very difficult role but I do appreciate it. So the responsibility Thank you. >> Thank you Dan. 128 00:36:03.520 --> 00:36:19.760 >> All right. So I guess that's uh unanimous. I'll just leave things alone from here. Does that require a vote, Andrew, or we just >> um I mean yeah to uh remain um the same. No changes in 129 00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:38.720 uh roles. That would be uh a good thing if we could vote on that. Yeah. >> And then add add sire to author Cadis uh Esquire. Uh abbreviate the agendas. That's >> Yeah. 130 00:36:38.720 --> 00:36:54.160 >> Make a motion to leave it the same. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exact. I'll second the motion to keep the appointed roles the same. Is that the right word? Way to say it. >> Something to that effect. Do we have a second? 131 00:36:54.160 --> 00:37:10.800 >> I'll second that. >> All right. Hey, Chip. >> I >> and Art. >> Hi, >> Dan. >> Hi, >> Scott. >> I >> and I for myself. Thank you, gentlemen. Um, 132 00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:27.280 we'll keep it going as it is. Um, and then, uh, now we're on to talking about Picha agenda items already. Uh, looks like we're Does this mean we can finally, uh, 133 00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:43.200 >> wrap up the take take the manhole repair IBF off of our business manager agenda. How about that? has that been on there for over a year now? It's been a while. 134 00:37:43.200 --> 00:38:00.320 >> All right. Um and then of course anything else that's needed. We certainly uh I look forward to the discussion um and finding out what council has to say regarding our um additional people breaking homes into 135 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:15.920 additional addresses and living spaces and such. >> It's it is not a quick process. >> Yeah. Those those sewers aren't going to pay for themselves. >> No. >> Well, I mean, >> no, they're not. >> That manhole we got to replace the loans going to be 136 00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:32.079 >> That's what I'm saying. The manhole >> that manhole that's going to be an expensive one. So, I mean, why wouldn't it's a business, right? >> Ramp it up. Well, let's >> Well, if you look at it, if you look at it that way, too, the manhole, you know, 137 00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:47.599 the seal up of the uh the the seepage we were having was uh started before I was even on the board. So, >> a lot of money. >> I I don't know what to do now. I I feel like that we should keep it on the future business in case the past 138 00:38:47.599 --> 00:39:05.200 business becomes future business again. But I digress. >> I think I could add it intermittently as we go along >> for old time sake in case we don't have anything to talk about. >> But I and I I and I will never 139 00:39:05.200 --> 00:39:21.200 >> right >> not be a subject. >> Oh, this is true. >> So, uh, excellent. Uh, does anybody have anything to add or thoughts before we move on to comments? Uh, Bill, did you have something that 140 00:39:21.200 --> 00:39:37.839 you wanted to add for future agenda? >> Well, no, it was actually on the agenda today, right? >> So, we did Okay, so we did have it. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> So, I'm good. >> Okay. >> Very good. Uh, is there any um comments 141 00:39:37.839 --> 00:39:53.839 from the public and or commissioners or staff at this time? >> No dude wipes. >> All right. Going once, going twice. Uh we're going right into talking about our upcoming scheduled 142 00:39:53.839 --> 00:40:09.200 sewer commission activities. Uh July 14th will be a 6 pm regular hybrid meeting um at the DPW and followed by July 28th a Zoom 6 PM meeting. Um then 143 00:40:09.200 --> 00:40:23.520 we'll move into August already and that will be August 11th at 6 p.m. regular hybrid meeting uh at the DBW and then August 25th 144 00:40:23.520 --> 00:40:39.440 uh would be a 6 pm Zoom meeting. Um with nothing further to do, I'm looking for a motion to adjurnn. Gentlemen, >> I'll make a motion to adjurnn. 145 00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:56.480 >> I will second that emote that motion. >> All right. Wow. >> Always want to say it. >> We'll move forward from there. Art. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Dan, >> hi. 146 00:40:56.480 --> 00:41:11.599 >> Scott. >> Hi. >> Chip. >> Hi. >> And I myself. Um, thank you everybody. Um, thank you Lunberg and uh I hope everyone have has an excellent evening. 147 00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:19.280 >> Have a happy Fourth of July everybody. >> Yeah, be safe America. Big everybody.