Good evening, Lunenburgg. I'd like to call to order the SER Commission uh meeting for this evening. The time is 6:07 p.m. on April 14th, 2026. Um, and
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needed. Just press pound S. I will do a roll call vote to confirm all members um and staff are present and they can hear me and when I call your name, please respond in the affirmative. We'll start with Scott D
not here. Dan Proctor here and Arthur Catis >> here >> and Chip Olson >> here >> and Brett Ramson is here and with the staff I'll start with Bill Bernard >> I'm here >> andrew Valerie
>> here >> Jean Ranley >> here >> and everybody is here now is there any public comment or public at all no public comment >> all right any comments from commissioners or staff?
>> Nope. >> None at this time. >> All right. It looks like we're going to jump right into current business, folks. Um, starting with the minutes. Uh, everyone's had a chance to review those from our last meeting on the 31st of March, I believe it was. Yes.
>> I'll make a motion to approve the minutes of 33126. >> All right. We have a motion that's been seconded. And we'll start with Chip. >> I >> Arthur >> I >> and Dan.
>> Hi. >> And I myself. The minutes are approved. Um now we'll jump into the DPW and sewer business manager updates. We have the manhole repairs on there again. Um
anything you'd like to >> Yeah. So I think the last time I reported um the contractor and situ they had sent a list of manholes that they were going to repair and a list of work. So I've approved that. I added one
manhole 100 Laurel Lane. >> Um and they wanted to get going, but at the time >> the nighttime temperatures were below freezing. So I told them to hold off. So, I told them they could start this week or we haven't heard back from them.
So, >> we'll have to reach out to them again. >> Yeah, we know how that goes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They're on another job, right? >> Yeah. >> They can't sit idle. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm sure they'll uh >> have they been good respond like in the
past. >> Yeah. >> So, I mean, >> this time of the year, you only take and answer the calls that you know you have to. So he knows he's I'm sure he's he'll be back shortly, right? >> Yep. They wrap up there what they're on now. He'll come see us.
>> Yep. >> You do the best you can with the schedule you've got. That's it. >> Make changes, >> make adjustments, >> move on. I did a little bit of that today myself. >> Happens. >> Right. So speaking of manholes, the 100
Laurel Lane as you started talking about that Danforn us about last week. So then you're sure you saw the three pressure lines coming out? >> Yes. >> Yeah. So we've been there a couple times. They came the 6 in line coming
out. >> Yeah. >> So that goes out about 40 something feet >> and then it just elbows in or not even an elbow. It just teed in from I think it's 88 >> which I thought was weird. There's no
clean out or anything. Uh but that stops well short of the uh the property line for 100. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Um everybody who's been in the mail except for you says they've only seen one or
two pressure lines, not three. >> Well, there's there's three, but one's plugged. That's the one I plugged. Yeah. >> That we assumed went to >> Right. >> Um >> which they has stopped. >> Yeah. >> It's not leaking anymore, which good thing. >> Yeah. Right. But they can't find the
other one. So then I went out with the asbuilt and it shows it the end of it right the shut off at right in front of the house at 100 Laurel Lane. So well into the property. >> Yeah. >> And it shows it 16 1/2 ft off the
telephone pole. >> Right. >> But it shows the telephone pole on the right side of the road, but you go out in the field and the pole's on the left side of the road. >> So we're thinking that they move the telephone pole at some point. >> Okay. Or did they dry it wrong? Yeah. >> So, we haven't gone out with a metal
detector to try to find it, but >> yeah, >> we did dig around 16 and 12 ft off of it and we didn't find it. >> So, still more investigation there. >> Great. >> The homeowner says he was there in the early 2000s when sewer went in and he
swears they didn't bring any lines down to his house. >> But why do I have an asbuilt? >> Yeah, but we have an as built for it. So, >> right. And then the ads belt from 90 I think it's 96. >> I was able to kind of trace that and you
know the um ties kind of put it right where it should be. So that's there and it's the same drawing. It's the same as built for 96 and 100. So >> why would they draw the 100 wasn't put in? >> Right. >> So I'm convinced it's there but we
haven't found it. Well, we appreciate you plugging it up the best you could. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I tried. So, here's a picture of the two that are still remaining side by side. >> Yeah. >> And and then see
>> those are the two that are still open. Can you send me that? >> Yeah. The inch and a half. And then I plugged the third one. >> How high up in the manhole or how deep in was it? >> This is a shallow manhole cuz they were running out of grade. It's only down like four and a half ft. >> Yeah, it's very shallow.
>> Those pipes look like they stop right on the edge. Like you got to get in there and look at straight in them or is that what I'm looking at in that picture? >> Yeah. So, I mean, here's we're looking down in the manhole. >> All right. >> Sorry. This is my guy sending it all over the place just to show us where we
are. >> Take it down. >> I'm just going to find the right picture. >> We don't have a long agenda. >> Hi, Scott. Welcome, Scott. >> You're muted.
Scott, you're muted. >> So, this is the 6 inch line that you're talking about that you ran the camera up that one. It just comes into it type of thing. So, I mean, literally, you can see paper cuz it was live. Then this one was the one that was running, meaning I
I told the neighbor, you know, flush the toilet, run some water, and this one kicked on. And then the one alongside of it is that other picture that I just showed you, the two of them. And then this is the one that I plugged. So there's one, two, three along that bank, which were the inch and a half. And then
that's the 6 in line. >> They're not deep at all. >> How many houses over there? >> There's one house, 100, and he wants to convert his garage into an 80. Oh, >> so the house is definitely going to have to be pressure line, but they want to go
gravity feed out of the garage. >> But if we gave them that stub, I'm not we're not going to pay for another. If they go gravity, they're going to have to get to the manual or to that 6 in line. >> Yeah. >> On their own, right?
>> Yeah. >> How far away? Like what's the run from the garage to the sewer main? >> Like 70 ft. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, to the male, right? Like 100 feet. >> I think to the stops like 70ish.
>> Yeah. At the same time, >> 6 in where the 6 in, >> right? It could. >> Sorry guys, just getting caught up, but was this a new application or is this somebody looking for a variance to run for an ADU direct a direct line?
>> This is 100 Laurel Lane that we've been talking about the last couple meetings. I I'm not sure. Sorry. >> Yeah. >> Dan was in the manhole last meeting or two meetings ago and said he had to plug one of the lines. There was three. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
>> One wasn't. So, you plugged one. >> Does that ring a bell? >> Yeah, I remember him saying about it. Uh, was coming out pretty good, too, right? Plugged it as best he could. >> Yeah. No, I I I'm just heard Bill saying about
that they want to run the line off of the garage, but didn't we already, you know, put in the ADU stuff? Hey, we we want it going back through the house. >> No, no, no work's been done there. >> No. Okay. >> He's just kicking tires and and trying
to see what his options are and what have you. Yeah. >> Oh, >> and just when I joined in, Bill was just mentioning there. So, there was old work. We already put a stop in there for them and then they never used it. But he's denying that he did that. >> Right. So >> he applied for it. Sorry.
>> No. So there's an asbuilt of a pressure line that goes all the way down to the house at 100. >> It was put in in the early 2000s. >> So the owner of the house says he was there at the time. And he said, "No, they never dug up the street or
anything, >> but it looks like they went down off the edge of his the street or the driveway, whatever it is." >> Yeah. >> Okay. Sorry. >> It makes sense that they would have run them all. Obviously, we know one's live cuz we already saw it running. You know,
guy ran his E1 pump and Tommy cabins from Tandem, you know, had hooked that one up and that one was running and then there's two next to it. I mean, it makes sense. Yeah. >> Just you don't know which way they went. It'll say left the manhole, >> right? So, we just got to find the end of it. Shut off at the end, >> right?
>> I just haven't had a chance to get over there with the metal detector. Joe's been straight out. >> Yeah. >> But they did run the camera up one of them >> through the six inch. >> Yeah, we have. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The video. >> Yep. >> Is there Go ahead.
>> So, there's cameras. Do they have a real exact GPS? >> Well, they have a wand. >> Yeah. the lawn and then they tell you, you know, 12 ft deep, 8 ft deep and, you know, so it picks it up as he goes up there. Yeah. So, I mean, they're >> I don't know what the depth maximum they
can do. I know when it gets real deep, it's hard for them, but you know, that one that one is not deep. I mean, that thing's probably >> depends on what you pay for. >> That's the guys who do like directional stuff, they got the good like that's on their head. >> That'll fall in the whole thing. the whole thing. But the other hand, if we're driving,
>> could he, the guy who's trying to like kind of play with this idea, the way that his garage and his house is set up, if he's going to have to put an E1 or a pump system for the house, definitely, >> can he go gravity >> from can he go gravity from the garage over
and then grab it right at the E1 and bring them both in and then just have that one connection or is that what you guys are trying to get away from? >> I don't know that they can cuz it's all ledge. Oh, >> I don't know if we can get the >> I mean, I'm sure it can be done, but it's going to be the cost of it.
>> Yeah. So, going the other way makes more sense for this whole Yeah. >> because they have to weigh out the >> They don't want to do two E1s because that's expensive, too. >> Yeah. But again, when you start talking
what they gain as far as an ADU unit or whatever, >> that type of expense isn't >> the end of the world. You know, it shouldn't break the project from happening, >> you know? I mean, there's huge benefits. So, >> yeah. What kind of how's the ledge there? Is it like the Lunberg ledge? It
breaks up pretty easy or >> It's not terrible. We we did the one hook up two houses down and we hammered for half a day. It wasn't awful. So, it broke up pretty good. >> Yeah. So they're weighing a difference in cost between a pump system that can have something go wrong and the
maintenance as opposed to paying a little more for installation or a lot more for installation, but then that's it. Once it's in, gravity takes over. That's correct. >> Yeah. >> Which is always that >> Yeah. >> balancing act, you know. So, >> right. >> In time, they'll be happy about it.
>> Yeah. I mean, gravity is definitely better, you know. >> Yeah. But the rub on us is if that pressure line isn't there, we owe them a stub. >> Right. Right. >> Like 100 feet or so, >> because already paid up better.
>> Yeah. We got to jump back in that manhole. If I can get there tomorrow, but the next day I'll take a peek again just now. Now I'm curious. >> Hopefully I wasn't seeing things, but the picture doesn't lie. Photo doesn't
lie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Um, something we have uh happening at 77 electric. >> All right. So, we had another developer
come in. So, very similar to the uh the driving range on what's the name of the street? Not Prospect. And it's Pond. >> They're very similar, right? They want to build houses on a lot >> that is not in the sewer service area.
Yeah, because the developer came in when I told him that and he had to go through town meetings. He was shocked. So, he didn't really give us any idea of what direction he's going. >> And it's a lot he bought the property and he he didn't know what lot. It's
just there's nothing. >> It's a big lot. 14 acres. He thinks he can get about four houses, five houses. >> But to connect the sewer, he's got a big task ahead. >> I'm sorry. Is it in was it in our district or No,
>> it's technically not. No, >> it's on electric a so you know the first 100 feet of the property is >> Yeah. >> But they're not putting a house there, but the rest of the 14 acres is outside the area. >> It's phase two. We double range. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> So, I mean, basically our role was tell them you I mean nothing we can do. He's got to go to town meeting, right? And that's that's as far as Right. >> Is it going to expand our district? Then we can decide if we want to even tie in.
>> Exactly. >> Do we vote on expanding the district? >> Is that going to vote? >> We should. Ideally, the warrant article would come from the sewer commission. >> I We don't have to do it that way, but I
think it's better if it came from us. >> Yeah. >> Right. But they're going to ask what our recommendation is. Yeah. >> Does the sewer commission approve this or not? So, >> we should probably vote on it prior to >> so then he doesn't go through the whole process and then he gets a foul meeting
and someone says no. >> Exactly. >> What are the circumstances? Do we even have >> like was this just exploratory as thing or is this like something that we should >> either consider or schedule a vote or
discuss it more or we just Yeah, it doesn't seem to make sense to vote in a possible expansion if we don't know that he's going to really go forward with it. >> That's right. So, this was his first crack at it. He he walked through the door and said, "Hey, can I put sewer
here?" He had no idea what was ahead of him. >> So, we wanted to bring it up, >> you know, because he might come back with a set of plans is what I want to do. So, >> right, >> then it becomes more serious on our end. So, I just wanted to get it out there for you guys to know what
>> but ultimately that's the way to go. Like you said, now if he's serious, he he shows us a plan. >> Yeah. >> You know, because it's all well and good to say, I'm thinking four houses, then all a sudden he shows up with a plan and it's 14 houses, right? I mean, so you really kind of want to know what what his are,
>> right? >> That piece of land, sorry. Um, that could be one of those pieces that previous board members, I'm talking sewer commission, excluded on purpose because of the size of it. >> Mhm. >> Because it's kind of funny that all the
streets on that road, they're all in it except for that. >> Except for that. >> Yeah. Because there was some people that sat on this board that would purposely keep those big puzzles out >> so that 10 houses didn't get built. >> Yeah. >> Like in the driving range is kind of a
prime example of that house, >> right? >> Yeah. >> So, and their their purpose was they didn't want more houses, right? >> That's correct. >> They necessarily, >> right? They were more we're going to keep the growth in Lunberg down to a bad we're going to give sewer where it's really needed. existing houses that
don't have the option to accept this without huge expense and ugly mounds and all that type of stuff. >> So, it wasn't a sewer decision. It was >> it was a zoning tool. >> Yeah. >> Is the best way to explain it. >> Yeah. >> So, obviously
>> right now that zoning is that's that's the permanent zoning that they came up with. Is that practice still happening or are we more open to uh more developments? Is that I'm just curious. That's the vote of the commission. Right.
>> Right. I mean, my gut feeling is more what we talked about at the last meeting that if we can use these type of developments to help our infiltration problems >> expansion. Yeah. >> Then I'm not against it. But they have to do
>> some work to solve those problems. Whether it's financial or >> or other. >> I guess that's just kind of my gut feeling, >> right? >> Pretty much gravity, right? That's just me. >> Should be Have we heard from the golf course gentleman again or No,
>> no, >> we have not. >> Okay. Sorry. Driving range. >> No, we haven't. >> He must be time for town meeting at this point. Yeah. Yeah. Wait. >> At the 99 at the bar. I saw him at the
99 at the bar, but I didn't say hello and I didn't say anything. He didn't say anything to me. >> Andy, maybe he didn't recognize, >> you know, maybe he didn't recognize me, but I didn't say hello, just so you know.
>> All right. So, I guess we wait to see if this guy from 37 comes back. I mean, I I don't see how he could make a decision or put it up for a vote of anything because if he's on a plan, >> right? >> He really has. He's got to have something. >> Yeah. You know, >> you know, >> and and then I guess you move from from
there, right? >> Exactly. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because then it would be a special town meeting, right? And that's what in like October or something if there's even a need, >> right? November. Yes. Yeah. >> November. Yeah.
Okay, there we >> Well, uh we're already at future agenda items or not. Is there anything anyone wants to discuss about adding for next week uh next meeting? >> I I want to know what all the candidates
um mods are for your uh campaigns coming up since I'm the only one that's uh I might be standing alone if you all don't get any votes. >> Enjoy. We don't handle civil rights in stakes. >> You know, it's going to be awful suspicious if you don't even get one
vote. And I know you didn't even vote for yourself. >> What is this? Is this for uh what the upcoming presidents? I mean, uh >> we all got four or five votes right there. We're done. We're good. >> Yeah. >> Sending my ballot. >> You never know. You could get a write in in uh that Trump. You might get, you
know, six rightins. >> Great. Well, if that happens, that's nice knowing you guys says it. >> Enjoy. >> Sorry to sidetrack you on that one, but >> you better remind me when I have to go vote for a myself.
>> Oh, you'll see the signs all over town. >> Okay, I'll put one up in my driveway. >> My friends, they'd go, I got 400 votes. >> Yeah. >> Just to mess with me. All right. >> So, one future agenda item is we got to
do a quick presentation at town meeting on our budget. So, I'll put that together so we can talk about it at the next meeting >> and anything new that pops up. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Um and then uh we're to comments whether public or
staff or commissioners. Um I would ask everyone to just hang out for a second after the end of the meeting. Just wanted to talk to everybody for a moment. That's my only tribute. And welcome to spring. What a beautiful day. >> All right. >> Very nice. >> How much work did you get done today? I
got a bunch of work done. >> Pretty good. Long vacation in the end of the week. So, >> I'm in a conference room in Maryland and it's a record high heat here. It's like 87 today. I'm going to be like 95. The AC was broken in the room. It was great. 10 hours.
>> Great. 10 hours with 20 of my favorite friends in a 20 by 20 room with no way. >> Sounds miserable. >> It's 20 accountants, too. How's that? >> Well,
>> all right. So, our upcoming scheduled sewer commission activities start uh next April 28th, 2026, which will be a Zoom meeting for all and then May 12th. Wow, we're into May. Um, which will be a
hybrid meeting such as tonight at 6 p.m. Then May 26th will be a Zoom meeting at 6 p.m. And then June 29th uh will be a 6 p.m. regular hybrid meeting at the DB DPW same as tonight.
And then I'm looking for um >> I'll make a motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to close. >> I I will second that. >> Great. We have a motion to close the meeting. It's been seconded. Scott D >> I.
>> Arthur >> I. >> Chip >> I. >> And Dan >> I for myself closed. Good night Lunberg. Thank you very much.