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>> here >> Jane Renley >> here. >> Thank you everyone. Um and now at this time I'm going to ask if there's any public comment. >> There's no public on >> public. How about any um comment from
anybody on staff or commission? Right. Very good. Um we're going to jump into the current business uh the minutes uh which I cannot vote on um for 526
26. Is there anybody that would like to make a motion? >> Make a motion to accept the minutes. >> Second that. >> We have a motion that's been seconded. Jeff, >> hi Arthur. >> Hi >> Scott. >> Hi.
>> And thank you all. Okay. And then we're going to jump right into the uh sewer business manager DVW updates. Going to start with the manual repair if >> so they were in this week and last week.
So they're just about done. >> Yeah. Oh, >> so the the framing grates all switched out. the uh inside repairs, the lining and stuff. >> They have three more to go. So that's it there. So they're essentially done.
>> So it's good week >> until the next one. >> Yeah. >> Very good. >> Cross the town. That's what they're going to do. >> No, no, no. It's the ones that we've identified. That's >> it's the ones we've identified in the contract. So, um, yeah, we'll have to
come up with another study, try to figure out where to target next, and then >> Yeah, that's we'll have to put money aside. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Hopefully. Hopefully. So, >> yeah, I saw him um do one of them. They
kind of mudded up around the top all the the brick >> and then he had like an epoxy. He kind of painted it on. There's like there's no way the water's getting through there. That was another one I saw. And some of them they did a complete lining and it's
like an epoxy. So >> yeah, it'll keep the water out. >> Yeah. >> Oh yeah, that's good. >> That's good. >> Yeah. Step in the right direction. >> Wow. We can almost put this on system with the epoxy.
That's right. That's right. Uh moving on. Uh we're going to talk a little bit about 11 100 Laurel Lane. >> Yeah. >> Director, do you have any information regarding this?
>> So last time I reported that the the contractor that was working with the homeowner came up with a proposal and a cost estimate for 9,000 something. >> So you know you guys said like let's let's get some more bids. So
>> before I did that, um Dan actually went out again and uh stuck a probe. >> Did you find >> into the what we thought was the the pressure line and it only went what a few feet? >> I don't think they ran it. I mean
>> nobody was nobody was >> so they branch off. >> So there's three lines there. One is live that goes to the first house. That one that we thought was it >> was a hard stop. And then the other one was the one that was leaking that went to a house
>> on crossroad. Crossroad valve that one. >> Discontinued. >> We know where the leak was. >> Well, that one's discontinued. We think that the line had damaged went over hill over through the woods and type of thing. So, >> right.
>> So, the one that we thought was there, the snake would not go. So, I think they just stuffed it out of the manhole and stopped it. >> Oh, >> thing. So, >> right. >> So, then I asked >> then I asked the contractor. I said,
"Well, if I'm going to go out to bed, I need a sketch. I need to know your scope of work." So, he he gave me this sketch in these exit areas. He's got the line all insulated because it's going to be so shallow >> and it's not very steep. >> And then he's got the manhole on town
property. I was like, I don't like this. I don't like it at all. >> And then the homeowner asked their engineer to kind of design it and it's it's kind of hard to see, but they got the manhole sticking out of the road by
about 8 in. So he expects us to raise the road. I'm like, "No way. That's >> that's garbage." >> So then >> I said, "We just came to the conclusion." I kind of talked to Dan and
we had the same exact idea. Originally, there was supposed to be a pressure line there. There's a reason for that, right? Because we don't have the pitch. We don't have the elevation. It's all ledge over there, right? >> So, my thought, Dan's thought was, let's
just give them a pressure line, >> right? And we're going to we'll run three lines, right? One for the ADU, one for the house, and there is another house out in the woods beyond there. 104 Laurel Lane. So, we'll run three lines
line >> and then they have to branch in from there themselves. >> They have to find a way to connect. >> It's like >> Yeah, something like that. Oh, it's more than that. >> Like that. side of
>> it's like 102 feet according to the sketch. >> Yeah, it's like 100 feet. >> Yeah, >> but running a pressure line is a lot easier than running the gravity line, right? >> Yeah. Four feet deep. >> You can continue that pressure.
>> A lot narrower. >> You need to if you want to develop more, you continue that pressure line. >> Yeah. At that point, it's on private property. They can do whatever they want. >> Good. That's good news, right? >> I would say. Yeah. >> So, if everybody agrees that's what
we're going to go with. >> Just out of curiosity though with pressure line, it's not deep theoretically actually keep material in the line out of the way because it's going uphill. >> So, will they I know it's them, but are
they going to insulate over that? >> We will install it four feet deep. >> Uh oh. >> Yeah. Right. The gravity couldn't be four feet deep because it had to slope right to get into the existing manhole. >> Yeah. The pitch isn't there. But
>> with the pressure line, you can put it 4 feet deep. The pressure is going to push it through. It could go uphill. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Um is that something you would just draw off a spec and then and then put that out a bit? Yep. >> Yeah. >> Yep.
>> Is this on the edge of our warded territory like or is this just like smack in the middle of our district? >> It's kind of on the edge >> outside of that house in the pack. Does
it allow for any future? >> No. Dead end. So, and the leaks there on that. I'm >> just asking. Yes. I'm just curious cuz I just don't know.
Is it like 15 PSI? Is it 15 PSI? >> What's the pressure on that pressure like this? I got to put eyes on curious. >> And I just wanted to see. >> So the yellow >> is the house. Oh,
>> but you can see the road ends right there. Right. Right in the hill. >> So, yeah, this is what Pine Grove and >> Yeah, Pine Grove and Lake View and >> Lake View. >> Yeah, that's right where I live. >> So, all the brown is a steward area. Okay.
>> And those are all E1 pressure lines. See, you know, the lake view, isn't it? >> Laur's actually one more house. This one here, 104 view is this way. Yeah, Lake View is what? This one right
there. Yeah. So, Pine Grove comes to Lake View. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, that's So, I'll put that out the bit as soon as you don't need any separation. >> That's right.
So we just slam the street, you know, they're only inch and a half. >> 45 street. >> That's it. >> Pick which one you want. >> That's it. >> I mean, we come out of the middle. I would say come over to the dirt area, the edge of the road, and run it down the dirt. So we're not tearing up the road.
>> Yeah. >> The water did mark their main that side. >> Easy access if you're going to do repairs anyhow. So yeah. >> Yeah. I doubt anyone's on the left. >> Although where is the go?
>> It's the garage. >> Yeah. >> Oh, is that with the just converted? I shut the >> Yeah, you said E1. Is that Does that rate the pressure going through the line? Is that 15 pounds or something like that or >> So the E1 is just a manufacturer of the
pressure system. >> Yeah. >> And It actually creates the pressure. >> Yeah, it's just it's a pump. Oh, yeah. It's a hydraulic pump. Yeah, it's a >> Oh, it's the low RPM that close to the low RPM grind pumps.
It's got a set of teeth on it. >> So, it actually chews everything up and pushes it. >> Oh, that's that's fantastic. >> And the way there it's coupled to a motor all one unit comes all self gravity to that.
>> Is it one unit per branch? That's correct. >> You can't like branch off that, right? It doesn't have enough ESI coming out to have more. >> That's correct. >> Why would you do that? >> I don't know if you're saying like if you wanted to have multiple pressure lines. I'm just wondering. >> You could. >> Yeah. I'm just wondering what kind just
for my own knowledge. I want to know, you know, >> feed it probably >> with two, >> but coming out it's one. >> Yeah. But doesn't matter. Branch off of that >> branch, but there's no reason. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Just got to picture it like what it is. >> You never know what's going to happen with the And then what you'll have to
>> I get HVAC like you hit pump automatic no pressure line branch off it PRVs if you need it you know >> just so I know what's up >> take the cover off pull the rope the whole thing comes up stick it back in >> mount it in boom boom
>> okay I got a picture >> what you'll have to do is at the end of each one of those lines they'll put the check valve with the shut off right for each one >> right >> yeah it's a stainless steel >> you know just a big and random check >> comes with the kit. >> Yeah, it's got a bad for that.
>> Yeah, I didn't know that. That's >> pick it up. >> It's a lateral kit. So, so when we tie into those, it's already there. >> We just turn the valve on >> and then we're responsible for the maintenance of that motor and pump there, right? >> No, >> we're only responsible for the street
pump. >> And that's what that gentleman was bettered for. He knew it was a D1 pump because that whole >> ran out of gravity, you know, >> it dropped off. >> Yeah. So that's the garage where the
house is circling there, right? That's the main house over there. >> Go back to the picture you had there of that whole area with like for a minute. It's good. So the E1s are designed so it
pressurizes and there's check valves. So they're designed that this, you know, hypothetically this house here at number 39, >> his pump can kick on and it can pressurize it all the way up to where the next hole is that drops. >> Think it drops down cross street. >> That's correct. And then it then it
gravity down from there. But they're all designed that they can run independently. So, one guy flutes the toilet at 3:00 in the morning, >> his pump is strong enough to push it and it just keeps pushing >> till it gets to the manhole and then it gravity's down. >> Oh, pretty
backflow valve. >> And they have an anti-ciphon too. So, you can actually they can go like that. So, then it won't be a siphon also. >> Oh, >> so you don't have to have back >> pin back. >> Nice. >> But they're they're very nice units. >> You don't need to prime it. I tried
calling that other companies that supposedly called them twice everybody in that neighborhood. >> It's like a dis everybody's pushing each other. >> Yeah. >> One of those kicks off, >> you know, but like Dan said, one of them
>> could do. >> Oh, wow. >> You know what I'm saying? >> So, yeah. >> So, the permission specifies what kind of punch can be used. There's the E1 and there's one other, but nobody uses the other one because I think it's more expensive and you can't get a hold of
it. So, >> all right. And that's >> there's a local distributor of E1's FRI. >> We'll see. Yeah. >> Well, thank you. >> Right. So, there's nothing for the permission to vote on or
>> All right, then. So, that one uh Well, that one's checked off. It's almost the fourth almost two summer. >> We're going into looking at boards before you know it.
>> All right. What's up next? All right. Okay. So, moving right along, we move to 1790 Massachusetts staff for a LTJ water leaf waiver
votes. So, what's the background on this >> water department? Last quarter their FIFA was um like $4,000 um in sewer. But uh so they actually had
a geyser kind of flowing underneath their uh trailer for six six weeks. >> It didn't wash it out. Well, yeah, >> we saw it. Yeah, that's seven. >> It was winter. >> Yeah, in the middle of winter. So, I mean, it could have just been kind of frozen on top of it,
>> but the homeowner didn't realize it. I water department said well they realized it when they walked up but um it didn't go in the sewer so we have a weaver for it so she has a high water bill nonetheless and a high sewer bill. Uh
what I can do we can weave her sewer bill since >> the weaver basically didn't go in the sewer too. It's >> I mean this she really didn't utilize it you know the water wasn't going it wouldn't >> we have an email from the
fixed it and he said yeah it was going underground. >> So there evidence that yeah from >> you know the balance it's already steep. >> It is it's a that's a huge bill. Has this been voted on already? >> No.
>> There's a new one. >> What would we actually bill for like the average? >> Yep. So I would just bill her for like take her last four quarters build average. That's >> I mean not like it was
>> abandoned property still some sort of use >> right >> I'll make a motion that we accept the waiver of 1790 mass of lot J >> what was the what was the total amount >> um I give us a >> we were basically waving
>> yeah um well technically she usually uses the minimum so I would say with what her bill was we're waving Yeah. >> Well, you never know. This comes up as a question. >> Yeah. No, no, absolutely. >> Why did you guys >> Yeah. If you want to give me one second,
I can tell you. >> Yeah. >> But three grand bill, >> right? >> It is. It is pretty pretty high. >> That would give me a heart attack. So, we say some of >> right forget about the summer all the time.
>> Summer's done. We would come back. motion on the table. Is there more discussion? >> We just dollar amount. We're actually waving accepting to wave. >> We want to know in cats.
>> Well, like I said, the question comes up down. >> Oh, absolutely. >> Yeah. That three grand >> that was called second cousin. I just hope they don't find her for watering during hours. Sounds like it was anywhere around
between 9 and 5. >> So, right now, oh, I got I was way under. Her bill was actually $6,260. Um, so if I was to a do an average, I mean, >> what do we Well, what do we >> What do we What are we bathing
technically? >> Well, I'm saying we bill what? Like >> I she I normally >> 80% of water. >> Yeah. I normally bill the minimum charge. That's what she normally uses. Um, >> yeah. >> So it' be like 6,127.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Likeund 10. That's how much we thousand%. >> We didn't pay lemon fitt have the number out in the open. So you're looking at you know all right 6100 all waiver.
>> Yep. >> All right. Not 6100. Sorry. Less her the minimum. >> Yeah. Yeah. 6100 is >> not a big water user. >> No. No. She was like, you know.
>> Yeah, she normally it's >> Was that Vos water? >> But yeah, >> I actually think >> Yeah, it has has a run on Dan's car wash. >> I actually think that's Yeah. Yeah. It was a lot. I mean, the
usage was >> Yeah. >> Yep. So, like I said, six weeks of >> Yeah. >> just constant water. Yeah. Blowing. >> What does the water district do in that case? >> Um I'm not sure what they're doing. I think that they are actually giving her
a bill that unfortunately because the water she wasn't reported, you know, >> it was six weeks of it. So they were kind I so I think she had stuck with her water bill. I mean on our end like really didn't go in the sewer. So >> yeah. Yeah. No, I just got the water
just >> right. Yeah. >> Supply water. So the difference it happens. I had a leak in my own house. I didn't realize underneath. >> Oh yeah. >> Right. >> It's like I crawl space it. >> Yeah. >> I live on gravel. >> There was no seeing it.
>> Yeah. Know sometimes. >> All I knew was all of a sudden my water bill jumped a couple hundred bucks. So I'm like, >> oh yeah, >> I'm not surprised, you know, it went up, but by a couple hundred bucks, I'm like, >> a real long cold,
>> right? Right. And the cold did a lot of, you know, break. >> We went a good month without getting above freezing. >> Yeah. Where was it? Well, under freezing. Yeah. >> So, we're voting on this now, right? So, >> yes, we have a motion uh on the table.
We're looking for Second. >> You made a second. >> We've got a seconded motion and we'll go around the table. Chip >> I. >> Dan >> I. >> And Arthur. >> Hi. >> Scott. >> Hi. >> And I for myself
read. >> You're going to have to sign. >> Do we have to sign? Now we're moving on to 990 Massad expansion of use regarding our sewer regulations. A continued discussion
>> um regarding our bylaws. Um it still refers back to when people want to expand and the street. >> Yes. So last week the last meeting on 990 they ex added a bedroom. So that's
an expansion of use. So, it has to be approved. So, we approved it. Um, there's a fee for that. It's what? It's one bedroom's $220 plus the fee. >> So, 260. >> Yeah. So, they have to pay that. So,
then somebody brought up, is there anything else that we could charge since they it was a single family home, now it's changing to a multif family home? >> Well, is that what happened? because we the zoning board of appeals was like the week after our meeting. So that's why we
pushed it to see what happens if they're splitting it into two family and then >> Yeah. Well, I don't know what the ZBA came up with, but the the plans online, you know, at the for the permit show it being split into a two family and adding that bedroom.
>> So, the thought was, is there any way we could charge more, maybe an extra bedroom, extra fees? And both Andrew and I independently went through our rags. >> We neither one of us saw anything. There's one thing that's kind maybe and
I want to ask the town council about it, but I think it's a separate issue. It kind of sounded like it, but it kind of sounded like uh if the property was empty when they put the first sewer in and did the betterments and then they
added >> it talked more about that than, you know, a house being there >> and then changing from single family to multif family. >> But I was going to run it by the lawyer, but I think it's a long shot. >> Yeah. I mean, I don't know. It was just
more of >> Yeah. What do we need? >> It's more of a >> no >> change of it's going to be utilized but it you know same you know second family. So now it's added on for a fifth bedroom. So that's basically all we can charge because the initial they pay the
initial bedroom >> and then >> but it's just more of like future >> consideration or knowledge that we because what if it's >> you know a knockdown property that now they're building you know a three
whatever. This is just a really bad exaggerated, you know, a triple deck or whatever. And now you're like, well, it's only was two more bedrooms in the initial dwelling. You know, >> at what point does it become, well, it's also three kitchens. >> Exactly. More bathroom. There's going to
be more of this, right, with the housing. And that's why that's where I was going with it. It's like you you don't know what's going to happen with >> the ease the easing >> restrictions of any, >> right? >> So like Stone Farm package store,
>> they tore that down and now there's three duplexes. >> What were they charged to tie in? Like was that were they hit with another >> right? >> Those other two units need to pick up >> right
>> that's why last meeting I asked like >> all right if if I go in and I permit a two family dwelling right or house >> does the does the town charge me for two connection fees or they just charge me for one because
it's on two >> I think in that case we do want one >> okay >> well and then we charge per the bedroom so >> well it's like the is it the dwelling or is it the
>> number of units in the >> alo have a single connection to the main line >> I know what you're talking about stone farm had the existing one how many more tie-ins do we put They didn't they easement between the two ones up on the road and connected those together.
>> That's that's what we granted us. They allow them to have one. >> But I but the other one I think was an easement to that same connection. They just went with a bigger connection on their side. Right. I believe it went to like a six. We said they needed like a 6
in. >> Yeah. >> That was the adjustable bolt. Well, so I'm only saying so now you have that one existing connection, right? That was Stone Farm and now you get lack of better terms, you get six kitchens feeding, six units feeding it into it.
So it's just something that >> I know the system can handle it. We have talented for the expansion, but it's just okay now, you know, >> consider all this other stuff, but you know, we're going to see more of this,
>> right? But those by law does specify that pretty specifically that like stone farm is a prime example. So now they're going to get hit extra vitamins or they already did get hit extra venoms. >> Pretty sure they did. Remember the address? >> It's around 800.
>> Oh, so it's Yeah, it's >> one parcel of land, right? >> Yeah. I forget the ad. >> Yeah. you know, building on basically right across the same parcel of land, two more, right? >> Right. So, every one of those buildings should be >> in my mind should be charged
individually based upon the bedrooms and >> for initiation of the initiation >> like if you go and build a brand new house, right? You got to pay if >> betterment to get on the city sewer. >> Right. >> So, no different. >> Yes. >> I would foundation they built separate
foundations each. No, it's interesting because we didn't we didn't look at it that way. We were more duplex treated as two mean or just one as a whole because it's one, you know, this.
>> Well, it's interesting like how is how is on that >> all those building on >> 786 have or 788 >> right across from the old Twin City Baptist? Yeah. on all that like shall or
whatever >> was that even on us >> like is that all new >> it is foundation >> I don't remember >> there is one stub it's down by that little hut thing
new >> but how many so how many my question is how many town homes are ending up there because I didn't know until really I drove by it and I looked I was like, "Oh, >> yeah. There's two buildings, two in each." So, four. >> Was that It was only two buildings. I thought that they were
>> It was going to be pretty expensive. >> There's only two for now. I >> They were talking about a third, but I think it gave up on it. >> Yeah. >> Where? Across from the church. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> There's three there. >> Yeah. I saw a lot of buildings going up quick. Is at least
>> Twin City? No. The church on Route 13. >> We're talking Twin City. I thought we were still on slow. >> Yeah, you're talking about the ledge file. >> Yeah, that's what I said. >> I can't find that one.
>> 792. mechanical like well phone >> go into your access pro like this and it's like >> the the garages don't separate the places you know it's not a gun style you
know >> I think he tried but >> s gym membership you just go up and down the stairs so it's almost >> out of l >> that can't be right I think seven
>> those white ones there. >> It's the same building. >> Well, I don't have any on it. >> They never come into fruition aesthetically. >> Yeah. >> But again, I'll talk with town council about it. Maybe maybe there's some other
fee we could start charging for situation. >> Leave this on for >> I think so. >> And it's not charging to charge. No, for a good reason for >> Well, it's a better
>> the other end of Yeah, the veterans, >> but the other end of if we needed an improvement, >> if anything, I still am hoping to >> get more connections to the people that are already in the district. You know,
>> failed on that one so far. But yeah, no problem. Is the funeral is that one still? >> What are they? >> I They finished the work. They've put it online and I don't see any new equipment there to start digging up for those two towns.
>> They have some connect. >> No, I haven't seen >> I I don't think they maybe is >> uh they sealed up the garage and Yeah. And then the first floor was the giant
>> funeral parlor. So I think they have it. >> They were supposed to do two. They were supposed to split that into two. I still haven't found the >> side. I did you guys
and then that robot was supposed to be some kind >> crazy that three buildings >> they were trying to get easement from us to go to the one tin on that for all >> it would be it would have been six
>> well four new tieins well depending how you look at it but then we wanted them to go on the street which is in the sewer there and we wanted them to bring basically the spur up we figure it was a couple hundred feet I
don't remember 500 I because there were other people in the district on that street that want to tie in but so several buildings >> that are tied to the street behind and then people up here if they want to tie
in they're going to put them up themselves. >> No, no, no. It was just he was debate. >> All right. Are we >> We have to look it up in the Is this munus? >> No. >> No, it's secondary
billing. I guess technically they're not they're not on the market yet either. So >> So somebody can come in and just not build multiple units probably. I mean possibly buy a private land and just build a house, right? So is that >> Well, we're just trying to,
>> you know, somebody wants a nice big front yard. >> It just depends. Like it might even come up sooner than later when we get to the Oh, notice he was here. Like if they're gonna build on the old driving range
>> in your neighbor. Oh yeah. >> Yeah. >> So that's going to be interesting cuz there's one tie in there now, right? For the building that's there and they get tie in the other park. What's going to happen when they build up top? >> They're not putting in septic.
>> They're going to want to come down there and be like, "Well, they had one, you know, and they pay for the betterment for the other one." But I don't know be interesting, >> but that's why Bill's here. >> All righty. So, looks like we're winding
down. Uh they talk about future agenda items. Don't know if there's anything we need to talk about regarding that other than whatever comes at us. >> Yes. >> Right. Well, it'll be fun for us to find >> it
on the agenda. >> All right. And um let's see. There's no to discuss. Um how about any public or commission staff comments
to the upcoming schedule? None. Um, our future upcoming meetings, uh, that one will be June 30th. That'll be a Zoom meeting at 6 p.m. Um, then July 14th,
uh, will be a hybrid meeting here. 6 p.m. July 28th will also be Zoom meetings at 6 p.m. followed by obvious 11 hybrid meeting here.
And now I'm just looking for a >> I'll make a motion to thank you. Second that motion is for second is I and I for myself we good night.