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All right. Uh good evening everybody to the stormwater task force for Thursday, June 24th. Um we are in the uh Lunberg DPW. Um yeah, that's all we really got. We've

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got uh somebody online uh and no uh public in the building physically. Um yeah. Okay. We don't really have much on the agenda other than continuing our review and development.

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Um I had to leave the last meeting early. Um I forgot to check the minutes. Uh does anybody have a quick recap of where we left off? >> Just did a deep dive on a little spreadsheet.

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>> Okay. Excellent. Basically, we took the integrated or the impermanate spreadsheet and then we took the assessor spreadsheet and it's a subset of all the total properties, right? So, and there's a all the properties in the assessor

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spreadsheet have a use code and it's defined by the Massachusetts. Okay. And if you look at all the unique use codes, there's more than >> those the ones that's like 10 for residential or >> 10 one 10 one 10 one 10 one 10 one 10 one 10 one 10 one 10 one 10 one 101 for residential. >> Oh, yeah. two for condos. >> Yes. Yeah, that's right. Okay. For

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multifamilies and um so look at all the unique use codes and I tried to take for a shot at assigning number of erus to each use code. Okay. And I put it out to the everybody in the in the uh task force.

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Please review this and tell me if you agree or you think um otherwise. And I did get some feedback from Renee and she had about six line items that she recommended changing the erus from um zero to one. So I added that to the spreadsheet

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>> and it's really binary, right? One zero. It's a yes. No. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. Um so if it's one, it's basically um how however many well that's one. So if it's multif family, two two families, two earrings. There's a very few

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exceptions. So once you have that you basically have a baseline or default position going into send property and you look at the use code it's also there property assessor cheat sheet and if it's a zero on erus for that use code then they don't have to pay property

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tech or storm water um and then what you do is for every single property you go the imperable area spreadsheet they got from west and Samson and if there's a line item there where they assessed or surveyed that property to come up with imperable area then you override it with what they did.

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>> Gotcha. Okay. >> So, by default, it may be one, but if it's a business property and it has a big parking lot, they may have like 100 per area may be equivalent to six units. So, then you take the six RU. So, you multiply by um a fee per ERU and you get

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their total assess value. >> Sure. >> So, the last thing that I did um before I came to the meeting today is I took all that information and I consolidated it. Now we have one spreadsheet which looks exactly like the accessor spreadsheet except I added four columns to it and that's what I emailed to

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everybody. So if you open up Excel you look at the last four columns you can see for every line item and now you have the number of erus per property which tier they fall under. Now they're proposing not going to a tiered system, but the information is there for free. Um,

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and two other line items to go all the way to the right. All the way to the right area, the number of equivalent eros, um, the tier and the eru fee. There you go. So, and my this was my vision two months

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ago when we got the spreadsheet from Western Samson. And that would be basically what Bill would assign to his guy and that would be your database that we use to maintain. So, we could put more columns here for example like um abatements

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if there's no baitment maybe a zero. If there's a one partial bait, two is a full baitment. Um, but you can take that and you can just use that as your database to maintain. >> Yeah. I didn't notice. Did you sum up column S here? The fees.

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>> Yes. >> Oh, you did? >> Yes. There's like 501k. >> Yeah. So, but we can change this based on $7812 per year. You But depending what your final budget is, we just change that. So, you get to the target number. So, it may very well be in the

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next iteration on this. I think you're talking about less less budget requirement for your so whatever that number comes up to be it might be 65 bucks per year and I think that'd be much more pal in town

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so that's where we left off and that's kind of where I did since then so our house is about 80 bucks Yeah. Yeah. The other thing I did is I I looked at the uh property and basically when I run this program it's a mat lab

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program. I know who knows Matt Lab Excel or anything. Um I'm familiar with it at work and it does all this data processing. It loads in Excel spreadsheet. It creates what's called a table and every table has a a header which tells you what date of data it is and basically all the information is in

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each column of information is available to the program. It does it in in snap and then you can go through and you can process the data any which way you want. That's where the infernable area member came from.

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Um oh there where so but mat lab also writes it out so basically I appended the three columns to the table and I write it out using mat lab and it's painfully simple so whatever program we use to do this data processing um whether mat lab is used or

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not is completely the discretion of the town or whoever manages the program but it's just what I happen to use. How come some of these are zero dollars? Like this one. >> Talk to us in Samson. Um, so that use code must be a use code that does Oh, it

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doesn't have a use code. >> So, we should find out why it doesn't have a use code. So, we need to we should find that property. So that's the other thing is basically whoever takes ownership of this basically has to go through and parse it and look for odd

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or anomalies there in the database. And I'm I'm finding anomalies in the database. Um Weston Stansa must use a different spreadsheet from the assessor's office than I use because there's about a dozen property owners that were different names. So maybe theirs was either

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earlier or later than the version I got later. It's the address that has >> Yeah. So I took all the arrives and what you can do is when you build this program is you can have the defaults do their process the defaults and then you look at the exceptions in the list and Samson data then you go through and say

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oh for example we identified L public housing we figured they should not have one so we carve that as a special line item in this program process of the data then I looked at all the arrives and the arrives are basically condos like 102 or something like that. So we decided maybe not have individual

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assessments for each property but look at the imperable area that Weston Sansson came up with and have one global one for the property manager and assign it to one carousel lane. >> Yeah. >> So that was an exception. So

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I say 90 so far around 98% or 99% of all of the properties if processed by default and used in the Western Samson database and then there's the exceptions and then you kind of have to go through and call it make sure that you everybody's getting properly assessed.

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Hope that makes sense to everybody. >> Yeah. So some of these big ones are zero dollars, right? Get that out. >> Okay. So, you're right. So, what's another one? Z. >> What?

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>> 9960. >> Okay. So, >> yeah, because the individual homes have >> their addresses. >> Yeah. >> The individual. >> Okay. That might be the association. >> That's the open space probably. What's 9960?

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>> The total assessed land is zero value. So that's why you want to put the rule of zero there >> because like my address is individual listed. >> Oh, so it's on here somewhere in the list. >> Yeah. Just do a find for it.

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>> Yeah. >> Um you go if you go to the assessor spreadsheet and you look for the woodlands, then you'll Yeah. It'll tell you what all these different properties are in the woodlands and that that may very well be like association,

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>> right? What am I searching for? >> Um, just type my name. >> Oh, >> just type. >> Would you be in that column? >> Uh, no. Just >> go. >> Just select a single cell.

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>> Click any spreadsheet. Now control. >> Does it have the owner name here? >> It does. >> Try on my husband's. >> Does the spreadsheet not have the owner's name? >> It does. I just found you. >> Oh,

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>> I score it. >> Yeah. >> So, your land value is zero because it's a condo, right? >> And then your property value is 835 on >> the building. Is it Iris? >> At 8:35, right?

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>> So, she's one year on your right. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Single fence. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, so like that one should be taken out of the spreadsheet if useless, right? >> Um why? So, so we did that with a

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>> build the home for the condos. >> So, we did that to build >> but we could do that with the woodlands also. >> Is it going to be the totally permeable area of the woodlands? Did that Western Samson give a totally permittable area of the woodlands or is it individual properties?

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>> I don't know where you got the data from. >> Um the Western Samson spreadsheet that they gave us. So what you do is you look to see if the woodlands has an impermanable area survey line item >> if that's the case. >> Oh, they do have an imperable area there

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>> in the woodlands. >> Yeah, >> I mean in the Weston and Samson. >> Yeah, there must be a line item because there's an imperable area for right there. >> So 9960 woodlands, they surveyed it. So you're saying we should do that one too

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as as a global. >> You have it calculated at zero. That makes sense, right? We're charging the homeowners. >> If they were going by village, it has to pay three pills, but you have that at a zero, >> which makes sense. I think if we're going to be

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the homeowners, because there's no >> Which way do we get money? >> Probably homeowners, I would think. >> Individuals. >> Yeah. >> Calculate out something units. There's multi-units and single family.

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Well, then we'll lose the money because that'd be 40 year views, right? This is 80 70 years. >> We'd be better off to hit it all at once. >> Do you have a homeowners association that would take that on or that's that

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tricky? I think >> I can't say anything. Conflict of interest. Yeah, I think that would be harder. It's a >> I think that the return on investment there might be more difficult to >> get going. >> All right. So, what do you how do you

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want to handle the wood ones then? Do the same thing with arrive. >> Same thing with village of Flat Hill. So, arrive is all rental. So, they're going to be different than condo. >> Yeah. There's one owner for all of the units. >> Yeah. And that's what Emerald Place.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. So, I like what we did with Dun Place and like I like the idea of leaving woodlands individual properties even though we did have inable area >> of the whole complex unless someone has want to change it.

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>> The road that's the inable area roads and it's private. We paid we plow >> there's no town >> right? Same thing with village of plateau. >> They're responsible for their own roads.

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>> Okay. I didn't do anything. >> I didn't do anything to manipulate village of flat hill. So if there's an impermeable area of flatill, it probably 9960 code also. It probably has zero here. >> You find it set up here. Should be

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should be stop. Homes at air estates. I don't know. Those don't even exist yet. >> They're all zeros, though. >> Um, no. It's uh 390 Harbor Street. So it's all cleared out but nothing has

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ever been built. >> Oh >> yeah. >> So there's the over there. >> Yes. >> So you must >> Yeah. >> So it's individual. >> They're listed here but there's nothing built there. So >> 100%. >> What is going on? You know the house on

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West farmhouse that got sold. Now they're putting in like they've dug like two it looks like two foundations now. It's as you're going up the hill on the right. Is that Do you know what the address is? >> I still >> They have like a house that just had a

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bunch of stuff done. >> They're just putting in more homes there. >> That's I know they're putting in more homes, but they multif family or they single family. That was that was what I was wondering. >> I can look at those. >> Yeah, cuz they cleared a ton of land.

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>> Yeah. and put in a big septic in the v. So, so like what we did with arrive where there's just one fee based on the permeabular area for the whole complex in woodlands we want to do individually that weird >> because 20

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code is condom >> and >> and they get individual tax bills they're owner rental. >> Okay. So, the village of Flat Hill, how do we learn to treat that? >> They're also individual. >> Same. Yeah, >> same thing. >> Because I'm looking here. It looks like they have

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See, >> same thing. Stone Farm Estates, right? Riley Road. Basically, it's if you get a tax bill, you treat it as a >> are we're still doing residences at a flat rate, correct? Okay.

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>> So, what stops us from putting it directly to Woodlands? Like, is that I'm assuming a condo association like collects fees and and does any things like that. So what stops us from

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just going to them and letting them do the same thing as arrive and distribute it to its members >> because HOA is associated with the complexion of that. >> Sure. >> Okay. I was I was just curious. >> Then how do you base it? That's putting

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the onus on the HOA to collect the money >> and roll it into the HOA. And so if somebody doesn't pay, you have the town has to go after the HOA instead of an individual. >> It gets very >> Yeah, that makes sense. >> I think it creates more overhead.

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>> Yeah. Okay, fair enough. >> Some HOAs are also like not very well. So you're going to have >> it's really going to just depend on the HOA and you don't want to have to deal with trying to figure out the turnover. >> Yeah. Stick with individual condos. So

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with woodlands as are examples or things like that those are private right >> does woodlands have public water public >> sewer going to it >> town water and septic >> okay town water okay so there are towns

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>> water district separate from the town >> I was just getting worried that it's a private road so how do we assess you know a storm water fee on them if it's a private road they still need to come on to the public the public road, but I also like

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>> right like you go out on the public road at the entrance to your thing. So, how do you assess that bill to everybody else inside the private area? >> Well, because since they're residences, we're we're charging them like everybody

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gets the same flat fee, but they're not necessarily paying for their roads. >> Okay. >> Yeah. But I like also live I live at the bottom of a hill. So I rely on the the road above me to be taken care of. I don't have a bunch of stuff coming. >> So ours we're downhill from North,

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>> you know, we rely on weeping the road above us so that the stuff doesn't get into the lake. >> Um Bill came out and fixed my sewer in the middle of the night one night. >> So you know there's all kinds of hometown roads. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I know we all drive. They want the roads coming in

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>> so that our water. >> I was just thinking, you know, thinking devil's advocate kind of like if you've got private roads like you can push well what kind of push back they were they Here's the question I have now. Um, if those are private roads and I'm assuming

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like owned by the HOA or the whoever, um, are is the HOA or whoever's in charge responsible for those roads as impervious air. >> We pay somebody like as a we don't have an HOA in my neighborhood,

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>> but it is it is still impervious runoff, but >> Okay. >> It depends on the Sure. >> Well, I was I was looking at the the uh woodlands going >> our frame of mind of leaving. >> Yeah. >> Because the impervious area associated

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with those private roads is going to get lumped into the average impermanable area of each individual unit and condos don't have a lot of impervious area. >> Sure. >> So it's just going to kind of Yeah. They're all over the map. Everybody all the properties are paying the same fee independent areas,

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>> right? So they are what they are >> and are those are attached to each >> other of complexity the >> some there's some like multi-unit like a two or three >> I think three units and then there single family homes okay yeah probably not like a ton

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just the roads in the driveway >> plus everybody's tying all the storm water to roads it's we should tie it to where that storm water ends up in the lakes and in the Nasha River >> that's the ultimate My goal is to clean it up before it hits the lakes and the

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rivers. >> So, so I think tying it to a road is not the right approach. >> Sure. Absolutely. I >> mean, you're cute and you have lake access right there. >> You looking at my house.

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>> I'm looking at houses. >> Oh, yeah. Searched. It's under contract. My neighbor. Yeah. Um, >> all right. >> Right. Um, any other line items subject to discussion?

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>> So, I I went through Weston and Samson's pretty detailed and I had questions like I don't know why for some things they had a zero impervious area or they just didn't list one. >> Yeah, I don't know. Um,

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and then there were ones I actually looked up some property cards and was like, well, there's a property here on the card. Why is it not getting? And there were just gaps in some of the use codes that I think we're missing data. I wanted to look at the CI.

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>> I never sent them a list of questions in response to us. >> That's not outdated stuff. It's missing. No. like 300 Holman Street. I have a note has building on property card, but the

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impervious area cell is blank in their spreadsheet. Um, >> which one's which one you talking about? >> 300 Woman Street. They use code six. She's >> 300 women.

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>> Yeah. I got one like a couple down from the main property. I don't know if there's one I know that just sold. >> Is that a two family >> 106? I don't think that's a code.

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>> I got assigned two years a >> spreadsheet. I had that it was blank. >> That's a single 3001 is a single family home. Is this the one that has the little

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>> I mean >> surrounded by a ton of land, four bed, six bath, but one Oops. >> My small table got messed up and combining

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506 window. Yeah, it jumps from 50 to >> Is this the 126? >> That's right before the bridge that had a lot of >> I think this is the one that's right

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before the the closed bridge. >> Yeah. >> 106. >> There isn't. >> 0106 is a use code. >> No. What's the address? >> 300. Oh, $300. Oh jeez.

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I heard her on number piece of property. >> I looked up I had a note here. Yeah, on the property card there's a building. So I don't So >> Oh, it's the one I think it is. >> Yeah. So that's the one. And so the lane

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property is here on Woman Street. The bridge that doesn't >> the way he drives over is here and there's a house right after it. >> And they own a ton of property along the the waterway. Um but they just have that one house as

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far as I know. >> It's just that garage structure. >> Does that go with that a house on another property? All right. >> This is the driveway and then this is the house. It looks like it's a pretty big driveway, but then this is the river

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right here. And then this is the lane property. And then this is the or >> so they have the house in the garage, but for some reason it's two property. It's two use codes like it's split >> maybe. Does it >> which happens I noticed on towns and harbor uh Paula Bertrams.

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>> Yeah. The house is on one side of and then the property along the the water. They have two separate property for the lake front and one for >> two different use codes. >> So I have that too. >> Lakefront has much smaller property tax than your house. >> Yeah. Cuz it's undevelopable land but

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people put like decks stuff there. >> So yeah. >> So that's probably what this Okay. >> Because their river they can't actually develop 100 feet. >> It's only twice. is the 300 Homeman Street and 300 Homeman Street West. >> Yeah, this is one says west. Okay, the

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west has zero as blank in Perkins and it's the 106 east code. Yeah, when I was going through this, some of the ones that I changed from zero to one, we're missing impervious area data for some of them. And the the what we have

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there could be a really big range. So, I don't know if we need more data. >> If it's missing impervious area data, then defaults to if it >> and maybe it shouldn't, >> right? Well, then we need to talk to Samson about that. >> Yeah. Unless we can get the data from

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the CI spreadsheet and fill in some of the gaps because some of them I think let me look um the comments that I had on the use codes like this one use code 1060

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of the 18 properties have impervious area data from Weston and Sans Weston and Samson and it ranges from 600 ft to 37,000 huge so there's only two that are missing, but there's others that are missing like

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123 properties with use code 1300. >> 1310. Another one. >> Sean, why is this one zero? >> Um, >> because there's no use code. If it didn't have a use code, it didn't know how to grade it. Oh, that's

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>> that's Yeah. >> Yeah, but it has a huge eru. >> Yeah, >> there's no use code for that one. Is that 475? If you go to the original spreadsheet from the assessor's office, look up that property and see what the

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use code was and see if it comes to you or >> so that has here 4101 standing gravel.

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You're looking at 400 lester, right? >> Yeah. Yeah, that's 41. >> Looks like it has two use codes. >> Where is this called? >> Two different properties under that address. One is owned by Mary Cobber and

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Edal. The other one is owned by the town. It looks like our rear is owned by owner unknown car town of Lunenburgg. It's on the list twice

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>> and that has a use code of >> 1310 vacant land essentially something whatever that one is and that's very small in your spreadsheet Right. No, when I click on the cell, there's no

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formula, right? You would think it would be the erus times 78 >> calculated in the program. >> Yeah. >> And then once it say once it's outputs all information, it writes it all out to the file. It's, you know, can sync, >> right?

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So, should we just put a formula in for this one? Um, so what I would recommend doing is this program that you process the data once you go through and do all the defaults and then you go to the impermanable area and it'll ride that with what Samson gave us. Then you go through exceptions.

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So this should be an exception and then maybe at the moment I think I have like three exceptions. One to arrive and I can't what the other ones are. >> Why would this one be an exception? >> Because there's missing information. For example, I need to know what the use code is. So if you tell me what the use code is, I can >> use code is 411.

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>> Yeah, 4101. >> Okay. So So what's the address now? >> Is that open? >> 400 lemons to Shirley. >> You can update it on that because it looks collaborative. >> I don't have my glasses. So if there's a prescription

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>> and if you put it in there, it'll >> Yeah, >> it'll update on his side, too. >> And you said it's 1310 >> 4101. >> 4101. use code 4111. I can do that. That's easy to do,

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actually. >> So, basically, what I'll do is I'll look at that, look for that address, and force it to have a use code of 4101 if it's not 4101 and what I get from the assessor's office. So,

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>> see, the sheet you got from the assessor's office, is that the same as the file you sent me? >> I don't know. >> I don't know either. I didn't take time to check, but I was wondering the same thing myself >> because you know what's >> Did you get it from the website or did you get it from the ancestors office to

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just infilt >> what I just sent you >> today? What you sent me a couple weeks ago >> in between our two meetings >> cuz I couldn't convert I can't convert the PDF to Excel. >> If you have Microsoft Excel, it'll read in the PDF file and convert it to Excel.

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is changing this. Sort of a living document. >> Yes. >> And every time they hit us with another one, there's going to be a half a dozen or a dozen line items all of a sudden >> don't work anymore. >> So, you have to go through and call them and and tweak them. So, there's an art

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to this service. >> There's also another property that I think is missing. >> What's that? >> 1295 Massab. It's the storage facility that's relatively new. It has multiple units.

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>> Yeah. Might be too new. >> Um, it was on the sheet you gave me a bill and get on here. But >> for current through like >> Weston Samson doesn't have a produce area, but that's pretty good. Yeah.

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>> So, should we ask them for it? 4021. >> Oh, that's one. >> I think those are individual units. 4021 and there's one at 10. Use code 106. >> So, there's 1295 Massav number 125 Mass and there's number three, number four,

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number five. What is code 4021 was? >> So one is the uh the storage facility itself. That one doesn't have an >> and that is code 4021 industrial condo

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and then in front of it that's 1325 Massav. Oh >> I think that's the owner 1325 Mass Realy Trust. >> Right. >> Okay. I think that the reason that it has different numbers is that do the bays the bays each have a number. I

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think each bay has an owner and gets cuz there's some names listed >> right >> in the spreadsheet it'll say like >> yeah if you investment group is number three >> Rick's properties Scott Terteranova >> can you scroll through how did I assign that >> you gave each one

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>> well >> for each unit >> each unit one >> it probably just makes sense to just go out use the actual property Because >> the 106 that

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>> are we just doing it on their little piece of driveway if they go by the bay? That doesn't make any sense because the majority of it is outside of those bays again. Who gets tax bill? >> So is this the new development that has storage and you know adjacent? >> Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Okay. >> Yeah. the Rick's properties gets the main tax bill unless they use code 2021 only. Um I mean they're definitely getting a

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tax bill. >> Do the ones inside get a tax bill? I'm assuming >> property manager for this. >> These are the individuals owners Rick's. So it looks like Rick's properties is the main. >> Okay. And then each bay also it's not

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Massad realy trust 1325 Massad realy trust. Wait hold on it went into >> Yeah. >> 132 Mass trust. >> Yeah. I think that's the owner. They rent those bays, right? You don't buy them like Jacob's Landscaping is in >> Yeah. It's weird that they have

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>> which is brick >> is it? Yeah. But like all of the impermeable surface area is really outside of the bays anyway. Yeah. So to have it go to the people who just have a little parking area in front of

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>> doesn't make any sense. >> That's not great. >> Like how are we doing like the Whom storage facility >> do the the owner of the way storage facility. >> Yeah. Do the same thing for us. >> Yeah. >> Storage facility should go to the owner. >> Yeah. >> What they do with it.

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>> Yeah. Yeah, cuz the individuals are just renting the >> rental the space, >> right? >> They're on. >> It's weird that they have parcel >> I know. And >> well, we can see let me look and see if they had a tax bill. But again, it it's still the there's a privacy area behind

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the building that they're not using. >> That should be based on imperable area going and go to that line item, >> the main owner. Yeah. >> 1325. Which one of the two main set realy trust is the one that you wanted to go to? >> 1325. Yeah. >> No, there's only one.

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>> Oh, there's there's two 1325 Mass Realy Trusts. So, they have >> This is So, >> they have different addresses. >> No, that's Well, that's the owner's name, but I think the vacant units just default to that name. >> Oh, >> the units the units sold. They are sold.

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>> Really? >> Um, number three sold 714 2025 for 300,000. >> Wow. That's a lot >> I know we're going to say how

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, but again, I mean, how do you divy that up? Are we just giving are we just calculating like what's right in front of it? >> I I like the idea of calculating based on a permeable area, coming up with an ERU, we send it to like this overarching

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property. >> Yeah. because the the property owners probably taken care of like snow removal and all of that stuff. So, they have some sort of way that they >> all bay owners get a tax bill. >> It looks like it. Anyone who's bought a bay? It doesn't look like every bay is here. Number three, number four, number

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five, number six, number seven. It's possible the owner just uses number one and two. How many total are there? Nine. Can you see on street view? So, I see three names and then the other six are >> Yeah, I don't think you sold them all yet.

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>> Yeah, >> they are big. Like garage base storage, aren't they? >> I mean, they're not like a regular storage facility, but they were bigger. >> I don't know. They could be >> Yeah, it's a garage. I'm trying to think. >> Looks like >> they had the building plane.

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>> And they have a parking space out back. >> Looks like there's 10. This is >> Yeah, this big garage face. >> See that? >> There we go. >> So, that wasn't captured on what's on Samson sheet. >> Okay.

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>> Any impervious >> we should take the current assessor's list and put it up against our list and see what's missing with like an X lip or something and just make sure that we capture everything that's missing.

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missing from Weston and Samson. >> Yeah, just quite a bit. >> Well, we should capture it and ask them to >> I mean, we're not doing any resident any residents single, double, triple, whatever. >> You ask them what the selection criteria was and doing this partially is

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fantastic. It's very teased. So, I mean, but once we go through it, basically say, why didn't you do this properly or can you do this properly? >> We can just figure out what's missing, send it to them, and then we're going to have things that have mistakes. And then the property owner will come to us and

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say, "Hey, this is wrong. We can figure it out." There's not a development process. >> Yeah, that's right. >> I mean, on the Weston and Samson, they do have Rick's properties listed. No improvements there. It's blank and it just says use description. Imputed

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office building part of manufacturing operation. That was their comment. >> Imputed. I remember reading that. >> Yeah, I didn't mean >> I think it sort of inferred. So they captured one unit out of the whole complex and didn't give an impervious area.

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>> Okay. They probably have no polarity handle that properties. Honestly, >> there are quite a few examples of >> Are there 10, by the way? One, two, three, four. >> I have >> Oh, there are 10. >> I have nine. >> Isn't that nice? >> Oh, but one of them is 106. I have nine

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4021s and one 106 use code, >> right? So, what is 106 code? The resins. >> That's that accessory. >> Oh, >> isn't it? >> Accessory land with improvement.

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>> Maybe that's the one that gets to build. >> See, I thought the 106 was for the big property and then each unit was a 4020. >> What is this value of 106 compared to? Is it different? >> I wonder if that's the one that you sent

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the bill to. So that property is changing as we speak. The front of it got sold off and they're building an office building in the front now. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Of the big warehouse. >> Yeah. But you know it's all open in the front. >> Yeah. >> That they got separated and sold off.

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That's all those parking spots or are talking about like the green area? >> The green area. >> Do they have a big swale there for runoff? >> I have to every time I drive by that property, I'm impressed with how well designed the storm water management. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

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>> This part right here is >> really >> They also didn't Weston and Samson didn't give us an assessment on the St. Bon if it's parking lot. They did the buildings but not the parking lot.

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>> We should use that. >> And then they gave us square footage for the Keing W city >> the water district. >> Yeah. >> So that corner is that what got sold? >> Yeah. Over here. >> Yeah. >> They're going to put in an office

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building. Okay. And >> at one point they were going to put like a gym or something. So, I think I removed the the well sites from in response to your comment. >> I'm surprised it should only be like a

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pump house. I can't believe this one is coming in at 13,000. >> But the water district should be there someplace water district that that building. >> Yeah. What is that? 625 me.

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Is that right? I think I did see that. >> There's just a lot, not a lot, but there's there's several on Weston and Samson sheet that has a use code, an address, an owner, and the impervious

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area is just blank. It's not as it's just nothing there. And I don't >> if we really think we need to capture that, we should get her feedback. They're probably saying, should you look on them and contact us? Find the water district. >> I was searching 25.

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>> Oops. Oh, maybe it's not 625. Yeah, I thought something I thought was interesting is you tell I don't want to let them slip through the cracks. Um, their use code is that wasn't >> 496 m >> 496.

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>> Someone asked me where I got that in. >> Oh, 625 is the mobile station, isn't it? >> No, that's 9. >> So, their previous area is 43,551. What? >> Fortnite.

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>> It's like near you. >> It's big parking. >> There you go. Boom. Boom. >> That's going to come back to us. >> How does that work? >> So, they should have 78 better.

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>> Any areas go to the right 7? Oh, >> 788. >> So, how come they didn't get >> It's the highlighted one. How come they didn't get a uh two tier six? Why didn't they get one?

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>> What's their use code? >> 9711. So yeah, why did they not get one? 9711 been assigned zero use. In fact, I should have overwritten that if I get zero. It's a utility authority.

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I I put zero eruh >> as my comment. >> Is that is that lumped in with the walls? If it's lumped in with the walls and that that may be why I got >> it might be um 9710 is heating wall site. I think 9711 also includes Sunny

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Hill the water tower >> and my comment. All right. So, if the water district office and barn got lumped in with those W sites, that should be a line item, separate line item, and that should get assessed something,

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doesn't do these. >> I know I can do this all night long. John, this line here is the water district on Lancaster A. The well down there. >> Okay, that's not it. It's 10us but zero

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dollars. >> But it doesn't have a use code. >> Okay. It does not have a use code. >> No, it's right there. >> That's otherwise zero because it didn't have a use code. Yeah. >> What's nine chase road? >> 9711. We zeroed those up because

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>> because a lot of them are well sites. >> Yeah. Sunny hill. What's nine chase road? >> So that's an example of something that we should go into the database and force it to have a 971 news code >> and all of a sudden it'll get populated with 10 year news.

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>> I don't have nine chase road. >> 97 nine. Here we go. Water district. Yeah. What is it though? Oh, the use code is >> Oh, they have a tank. >> So, their office >> 971 >> has the same use code as the the tanks

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Sunny Hill and Chase wrote >> utility authority dashbac. >> Yeah, as the description and the description is exempt. >> It's not very big incredible area if I remember correctly. I don't remember looking at that. The towers are around 6,000. That's

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impervious area and Chase. And then the office is 42,000. >> Oh, we should definitely get >> whether we get the tank or not. >> Yeah, I don't think that's >> I'm okay with that. We're getting the tank. I I think we'll leave the pumps in the tanks.

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It's off the ground anymore. But yeah, there's there's look at that. Um, let me look at what else I had for comments. I sent you guys the spreadsheet that has the I added comments. Um, I'm looking at

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Oh. This is why I don't I feel bad for the assessor. >> She must do this all day every day. I also found so with >> we don't have an assessor saying I think that we don't have an assessor >> but we're interviewing so we will soon

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>> today >> I hope um so the tri town buildings so there's five of them right >> four of them have a use code 112 C and one has a use code 114 they have

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different use codes and I think only one of them >> but one of them is missing Yeah. 112 C. >> Can you bring it up, Bill? >> 12. >> So, we have this >> project not zero.

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>> The the entire property. >> Why did you just went to that? I don't know why. >> Use code 9960, but then it shows that the land value is zero and the parcel value is 2100.

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>> Okay. Trion landing. Try town drive. Like three dry town drive. >> There's 37 road. >> That must be the entire property, right? >> Yeah. That if it's the one that has a use code 9960. >> Yeah.

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>> Which is gasb- off- NT-l. >> 50 yard. So those >> are those individual units or are those rented out or are they condos open? Oh, they moved away. >> Well, there those are rentals. Those are on apartments.

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>> So, does it make sense that it should go to >> It's four buildings. Yeah. >> Young's road. >> Okay. No, five buildings. >> All right. Can you scroll right? Did that get a uh a fee? >> No. >> Okay. And why did it not get a fee? Because >> it would be a >> use code was 9960.

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>> Yeah. the impervious area would have been just >> but did it do individual ones, right? >> Can someone look up use code 9960 to find out why that has a User UIS?

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So it looks like the the SSC's are on the for tax purposes are on the individual not the individual but our three town drive is used as 1140 commercial and that has a building value of

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3,52,000 and then a land value of zero >> zero >> total assessed improvements 32,6700 So, it looks like they divided it up by building number,

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but the owner name is Great Bridge Lunenburgg LP Care of Stewart Property Management in Bedford, New Hampshire. Okay. Did >> you look at the use code and find out if they're in 60s or are we on zero?

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Did I get that right? 9960. Is that what it was? >> Yeah. >> Keep going a little bit further. 996. >> That's right. Yeah. >> Just keep going. >> That's it. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> 96 right there. >> Yeah, right. >> Other non-t taxable condominium.

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Non-T taxable. Maybe that's why we needed zoom. >> Why is that non taxable? >> It's common land. Non-T taxable condominium. Common land. So probably for tax purposes it's not taxable because who are you taxing if

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it's common land maybe and the taxes are going on the individual buildings. >> But we don't have to we're not we don't have to run it that way. >> So what do we want to do? Do we want to do the individual buildings or we want to do the the property? >> Probably want to do the whole property. >> Property you'll get more money.

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>> Okay. So this is going to be exception. >> Okay. So, >> and it's one bill, right? Instead of >> way easier bills. Yeah. >> The am I hitting your computer on a second? >> No, you're good. Fine. >> Um, >> yeah, the more we can consolidate into

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one bill that saves us. So, >> so how do you identify that line item that should get the fee? Which one is that? >> So, this is this one is tricky. So, there's no use code there, right? So we

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have to either assign a use code or we do assign code. >> We don't have to assign a use code though because that's really the tax code. >> But we need to identify the owner of the Tritown drive that's supposed to get the fee and we have to create an exception for that because of 999 mill9

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>> Tritown Landing Limited Partnership and we do have total impious area of that entire property right 210,000. >> So that's the tri landing. Yeah, it looks like that's different than what's listed in GIS, but

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um those those buildings those four, five, whatever that you have highlighted, the assessor's use code says 112 C. >> Yeah, >> the I don't remember seeing any >> on the assessor spreadsheet

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any called 60 >> on GIS. It has something. I forget what it does now, but it said something commercial has 1140 commercial. >> I don't trust my assessor spreadsheet.

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>> Oh, 112 says more than eight units. Unless we get to Marshall condo common Q. >> There's a there's a big C in the middle of the property here, too.

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Common FP. >> All right. Residential area. It should be just a line. Okay, let me see if there were any.

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There's a big pond right next to them. >> That's the Baker River. >> Yeah, Baker Pond. And there's a river right there, too. >> Yeah. >> Baker Brook. >> Yeah. Oh, is this the one that's like right behind McDonald's or something? Cuz I went on walking trails

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>> off of No, >> I think it's Laurel Bank Conservation Area maybe. And then we went all the way through and ended up on John Fish Highway. It's like your Woods Woods Woods Woods and then McDonald's. >> McDonald's is in Fitsburg. >> Yeah. >> You end up in Fitsburg here.

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>> Yeah. You'll end up >> I think this is it. You know, so behind that is the old landfill. >> Yeah. >> Came out to a landfill there, too. >> Yeah. And then there's you have like the there's a river right there and then right beyond the river is a bunch of stores. >> I think there was McDonald's

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>> cuz you could smell the McDonald's before you got there. >> The McDonald's is further down. I don't know. >> Yeah, I it is. >> Yeah, >> I think it's where you come out on the trail. So there's a trail ahead and there's conservation area right here.

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Yeah. 120 Pleasant Street is I think it was Laurel Bank is what it was called. I should know that cuz um the conservation commission >> I'm still familiarizing myself with a lot. John, did you have the Lemonster Shirley Road warehouse

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>> should be there >> because I don't I didn't find impervious area on West Samson sheet for that. Is is that at 475 Lster Shirley? >> Yeah.

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Lunberg Central, right? >> Mhm. >> That's this one. >> If you sort by um the assessed value of the fee, it's one of the top two headers. Yeah, I'm sorted by ERU fee. >> Oh, there you go. So, you should start at the top.

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>> No, it can't be because some of these is arrows. I must be my tear. Oh, by sorted by eru, not the fee, but by eru. >> We just lost the >> Why does it keep doing it? >> Well, no, it says back, you know. Is

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that it? >> Yeah, it's number >> Lunberg Central owner. That's I think that's it. Yeah. >> And it has a gargantuan. >> Yeah. Why don't they have that on the Western Samson spreadsheet? >> What's the informationable area

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associated with that? >> It's big. >> It's huge. >> If there's an imperable area that is on the western sanction spreadsheet, >> 793 >> 79 793634.814.5. >> Why is it? Got to get that in. I didn't make it up. It came straight

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from the >> Oh, you know why? >> The address that they put in wasn't in the site address column. It's in the comments. >> Oh, so it fell off. >> Oh, I saw that. >> I had to >> I had to tweak their spreadsheet because a dozen line items. It just didn't make

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sense. >> Why would you put the address in the comments instead of in the address column? No assessor data >> just to throw a software game. >> Okay, so that one's resolved. That's good. >> Yeah, and tweak their spreadsheet. They

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have a modified version. That's what I used to do this. >> So before asking Weston and Samson if there are gaps get more data, we should look at the CI spreadsheet and see if we >> I remember the CI spreadsheet. >> Yeah, Bill just sent it to me. We were

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just looking at it. >> It's this week. >> Isn't that from like 2008? >> Yeah. But if there's data >> if it existed then chances are it hasn't changed. >> Yeah.

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>> But if it's new property, it won't be on their Western and Samson doesn't have it. >> It's I It's If it's new, it's not going to be on their list. >> Right. So that would be one we may want to ask them to look at. >> So

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I went ahead I went to the property tax calculator just thinking about you know utility versus operating budget and I put in $500,000. The average single family tax bill goes up $108. a little more. I mean, this is using

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last year's FY26. So, putting it in the operating budget, if it's a $500,000 increase in >> it'll cost more >> for for the res. Yes. >> The average res.

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>> Yes. For the average res >> shifting the burden to the commercial properties and industrial properties, >> the ones with the most service >> and goes up 2 and a2%. >> How much? >> 2 and a half% good for you. >> Okay.

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>> Right. >> If it's in the operating budget. >> Yep. So I'm I'm seeing numbers like 78 bucks based on the $500,000. >> Right. Yeah. So it's it's about 30 it's at least $30 higher for the average home. Okay,

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that kind of makes sense. >> It'll be less for the people who have a lower tax bill. It's based on your assessed value, right? Instead of everyone just gets one year. >> So the people that are don't the people that have a low tax bill. >> Yeah. >> Will pay more as a utility because

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there's less. >> Yeah. But >> not necessarily. Depends on how low there is. Right. >> But the average It's at least a $30 increase.

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That's good having a big delta like that because that brings in more people um from the residential side before there's a break even. Does that make sense? So when you if the tradeoff from the residential point of view is basically

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what's my assessed value before all of a sudden break even with the uh utility and there's going to be an assessed value all a sudden that's the break even point the bigger that delta the lower that assessed value is >> yeah so those people on low end it's

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there's fewer of those won't that make sense Sorry. >> What happened? >> It just keeps going away for no reason. >> Oh, seriously. Laptops just keep shutting off.

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So what do we need to do now? >> So I have a uh a list of line items that need to be tweaked. These are exceptions of sorts. The woodlands um should be treated the same as I think the answer is no. So that's going to be

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no change. No change. Stone final states no change. 400 Lemon Shirley Road, Mary Co Coburn. So, her use code is wrong. So, have to fix that. 1295 Massab um storage next to the Thompson Harbor Road. So, we have to make sure that the

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right person gets that bill. Um need the imperative area for St. Dominic parking lot. I got the Loomberg Water District ironed out because we made it zero because it was part of that 9711. We only did the zero in Tritown Apartments. Use code 9960. We

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need to make sure the fee goes to the right person, not to individual individual units. >> How about this one? 1990 Massv. >> It's >> What is it?

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>> It's got 16 erus but no dollars. 1990 massive. >> Can you show me which line item it is? 99. >> That's one that's highlighted. >> That is all right. >> No use code. >> It has

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>> no use code. Yeah. >> Yes. >> Like silos and fair lane homes. Oh, it's the um >> the other trailer park. >> The trailer park. >> Okay. Fair lane. So, was it 1990?

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>> Yeah. Park. >> Did they have a natural rate fee? They must. Okay. Um, can you tell me what the use code is associated? Oh, it doesn't have a use

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code. >> Yeah, it doesn't have >> maybe use code 103 C mobile home-c is the description. >> The C is really throwing me off. >> Yeah, that's the second time I've heard the C. Yeah.

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Owner name 2000 Massad LLC. 2005 Massad LLC. What's the next property? >> No. Can I go and get pizza? Yes. This one 45 Pioneer Drive

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>> is Pioneer Drive >> off of Lemon Shirley Road. It's got 10 10 Arus and no dollars. >> Pioneer Drive LLC and it's 45 Pioneer Drive. Yeah.

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>> No use codes. >> Go through the spreadsheet just for no use for >> all like truck trailers. It looks like >> was that the trailer storage parking lot >> probably. That's what it's for all those

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spectrum places. >> Yeah. So it's all >> I mean a lot of it is impervious. >> Yeah. They should be getting a bill. >> So I need to assign a use code. Well, Bill wants a bill every >> What the heck? They're all paved. >> Blanks. I'm going to sort John's

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spreadsheet for blank use codes. >> Is that row? >> There's 33. Oh, that's a column. No. >> Uh, column L. >> Oh, L. Yeah. Okay. >> Wait. So, that's target.

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Oh, there's stuff up there if you drive. Oh, those are all those ones that go down to Fort Pondro. And then Okay, I know where that is. >> They put anything in that room that they put up there. >> No, >> I don't think so. There's like a big

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to-do about that. They're trying to put apartments there, but the there's a waterway there. I think last time they put something in on that waterway a lot of stuff happened and

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there people are trying to make sure that it gets done right. I don't know where to then I haven't heard anything that big road and everybody was talking oh Costco's got to go there something's got to go to the mall too. >> Yeah. And then they were saying we might

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go to Kmart too. >> Yeah. >> So >> Kmart. >> Kmart. >> Yeah. Kmart >> was gone. >> It is gone. Oh, >> the the facade is still there. The the 1285. >> Oh, okay. I heard something else. >> And then Sentinel had their epic article

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where they said >> made it sound like DJs might be moving there or a hotel might be moving there. >> Yeah. >> So, >> I want to Costco. I've never actually been to Costco, but I hear it. >> They seem like a good company.

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>> That's all that is happening in the square. >> It's nice. Is it? Yeah. Singapore used to be fun, too. We'll say >> I'm sad I never got to try it, but it's gone. So, >> the decor was really interesting.

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>> It had like that >> Yeah. >> that fun like seen >> Yeah. >> type of place like >> So, how about this property here? The >> It's in half's in Fitsburg, half is in Lunberg.

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>> What is it? Pioneer Drive. >> No. How do you pronounce it? Fula Road. >> Is it >> in Fitsburg? >> Is it Felia? >> Yeah. >> I don't know how you pronounce it. >> Oh, I actually just had

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>> It's this piece of property here. They're putting a big warehouse >> and half of it's in Lunberg. >> Happened to me. >> This is Wait, is that the storage facility that's going in? >> Yeah. What the hell? >> It's a cross town mine. That's

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>> Yeah, the building is like split in half by the town mines. >> Would you say the address was complicated? >> I don't know. >> What was the number? >> 60. >> Fula Road. >> Yeah, they just went before conservation or something. >> Yeah.

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>> Um, >> so on that spreadsheet, it's got 10 erus with no dollars. >> Okay. to go before both switch. >> Do they have a use code? >> Jeez. >> Uh, no.

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>> I forget what is that going to be cuz it's under nonprofit. >> Isn't it's a huge warehouse, right? >> Is it? >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. I see it now. >> Cuz the owner of Pitburg Redevelopment Authority. I remember they were in a

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flood plan. And they're also under the rug. Yeah. So, there's 33 properties that don't have a use code. Some of them we already know. We covered half of them. Some of them have significant imperative.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of what I'm jumping to. What's this one? Rogers Way is the apartments on Wham Road off. >> Oh, okay. It doesn't Yeah, it doesn't have an address for Rogers. >> What's this one? 560 Goodrich Street. 80

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RU. No dollars. 560 good >> doesn't have one >> really. >> Yeah, >> I don't see a huge piece of property. It's on John's spreadsheet. >> Yeah,

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cool. 560. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I have to use code 1310 and 1010. >> Use code 1310. >> Yeah, there's two 560. Same owner. One has a use code 1310. One

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has 1010. 1010 is a single family home. >> Holy smokes. >> That is a huge house. That is a huge house. Look at that. >> What's that address? 560. >> Look at all that. >> Good Street. Is that one house? >> That's what it looks like.

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>> That's got to be a farmhouse. >> That's not one of the the crazy houses up on the That's not Good Street. That's a >> different thing keeping off. >> Can you see it now? >> Yep. >> Look at the size of that.

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>> The golf course. >> Yeah. And then all the roads and the tennis court or whatever that is. >> Is that part of the >> That's a writing ring. >> Writing ring. Yeah. >> Yeah. So that's formed. >> Yeah. >> Is that I'm looking at on Google Street

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Maps and you can see the fields around it are all >> Yeah. like >> um table and stuff. >> What's use code 1310? >> 131. vacant land and residential zone potentially developed.

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>> Oh, I know. So, I gave that zero because >> this is one that has a huge range on Western and Samson from 15 to 34,000 square ft and the assessor's list has 253 properties with that use code. This was one I flagged as getting more data

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because some should be some should not be a zero eru. >> Right. >> So that use code sounds like it should have nothing associated with it because it's undeveloped land. >> But you're saying it does have property on

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>> West and Sam Weston and Samson return. >> All right. So if they have >> some >> All right. So I will override that use code. It'll be an exception. And if it's 560 Goodrich Street and it's use code 1310, I'll override it and force it to

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have eight er condos. >> 169 What street? >> White. >> White. >> Yeah. >> Oh, does it Th those are the senior. >> Is that the senior or is that next to I've delivered? Yeah, I've delivered

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food over there. >> I have a vague memory of talking about >> Oh, yeah. >> the housing authority. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, we don't do anything with that. So I think there was an exception that

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deliberately made that zero because we didn't want to assign um a fee to alum housing. Yeah. The 1310. So on the Weston and Samson spreadsheet

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there's 702 records but only uh >> no that's not the housing authority >> 241 >> is it up there? This is the housing authority

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but it's this piece of property here. >> Okay. >> So >> who's the owner? >> I slide down here. Whoops. White words kind of mean co-owner is a vet read. >> Yeah.

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>> I don't know. >> Yes. The last set of condos up on Richard's way. >> So those we should have char. >> Okay. I'll make sure they get in. Where's the use code? So that was another MTU code. Yeah.

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>> Right. >> This the assessor's map has it as 9960 use code 960. >> Big buildings, driveways. Okay. Condos. Get that.

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There's a >> So, I'm looking at the use code 1310. >> Y >> on Western Samson spreadsheet. >> There's 241 that they list, but only 38 have been

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have an impervious area listed. We talked about the one the 560 Goodrich >> Mhm. is huge. 34,000. >> Then there's 16,000. It goes all the way down to five. >> Five. >> I mean, it's including like Cliffview

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Terrace. Isn't that a home? Cliff Terrace. >> Where's Cliff Terrace? Sounds familiar. >> Yeah, it's on It's on Hickory Hills. >> Okay. >> Somewhere. >> Yeah. >> But I mean, it has 3,000

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square feet. So where do we draw the line if it's under 4200 and we give it a zero or and it is it worth getting in previous area for the >> So what is 131

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use code again? What is >> it's >> undeveloped land? >> It's uh potentially developable residential land. >> Okay. But it they have >> so some of it >> structures >> structures >> some of it could still be vacant just

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not developed and some >> if it has a structure it's been developed right potentially developed the one potentially developed >> seven. Yeah. So those kind of you should hit them with one of your unit. >> Well, stop the whole

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>> only if they put on there. >> They put up they put up the unit. Forget about >> the one that's like just >> across from Stone Farm. Is that what they >> That's what's the threshold?

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>> I didn't even know that there's a lot that just haven't been looked at. a prayers exchange over and tells them the girls they were looking at it freaking out because like there's no pictures of the basement unrelated question. What about homes at

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Arrow Estates and why do none of their street agencies >> homes at Arrow Estates Street >> and that's the one that has been clearcut but not developed. So he already mapped out all the street names

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and >> and just had nothing happened yet. >> It's just a big place for kids to ride their good bikes right now. >> There we go. I think the same thing can hurt or something >> like keeps going to sleep. Yeah.

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>> How are you connected? Are you Windows paying or are you like direct connected to it? >> Through that little device on the side. Yeah, we're lucky the Wi-Fi is working in here. >> I don't know why it keeps dropping off.

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I just haven't done that before. So, >> yeah. So, John, I think you got to look at all the ones here that have big impervious area but no dollars associated with them. >> All right, >> there's there's a few more. I keep going

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down the list. Just keep finding. Are these all the low use codes or are these the 131s? >> Uh L's. Well, this one here is a use code of 1300. >> That's another

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>> I think that's >> 1300 is a another one. It has a big range. I think >> what's what's the address? >> They have to be case by case. Some of these use codes Carousel Lane have

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>> this. That's not RIV, right? >> It's part of it. >> It's part of a ride. >> Yeah. >> How big is the imperable area? >> Says 21,700. >> So students between that and like the

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main office that we assigned all the inable area to arrive, which No one cares about me. What's the difference? >> Separated. So, it's kind of separated from the main property by I think

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>> so it is a separate property >> there is that the is that the waterides area they got a couple photos over there >> yeah you see them >> yeah that's it >> yeah so this is the main piece and then

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three more >> so there's arrive and then there's emerald place and that's emerald place >> they're all emerald It's all arrive. Yeah. >> Oh, what is the new name by name? >> A replace is the owner >> it looks like. And that's all arrive though. >> So it's just

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>> So should we add the impermanable area for that to the impermanable area from arrive and then come up the new ERU and send it just to the union? >> Yeah, I would say so. >> Combine them. >> Yeah, >> it's a one build. >> Yeah, I agree. Hey, Laura just Laura text me. I missed

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this like an hour ago. >> The Zoom link. She said, "Are you guys in Stormwater?" Because that's a Zoom link to our meeting. If you guys are meeting, can you let people in and tell them what's going on? >> Holy smokes. I haven't listened yet. >> That was over an hour ago. I just I silenced my phone. >> Um,

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>> is nobody trying to get in? >> Miller was trying to get in before. >> Yeah, usually it would pop up, right? What meeting was that? >> School committee. >> Oh, thanks. >> Okay, let me get our own Zoom or we just move over to Teams because

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>> Oh, please. Can we go to Teams? >> Remember the fact we recorded ours on Teams because we didn't get into Zoom. >> So much better. And it's free. We already own licensing for it. Right. What's next?

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>> Turn my ringer off. You're looking for ones to correct in the file. >> Yeah, we're looking for basically that list of exceptions. >> So basically it goes through that does the default. It does the override with list of Samson and these are exceptions. >> What about ones that we don't have

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improvements area for >> with money on you? Are there 356 road. >> Oh, wait. Isn't that Jenny? You would

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know Holl Road 356. >> 321 is >> Oh, >> 23. >> 356. Well, this is saying town >> 356. Oh, that's familiar. >> Little lake watch that the

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>> What is it? >> Town just >> Ah, that's why we just did. That's why it sounds familiar. Yeah. >> Not a right of first refusal, but the town decided not to >> not to exercise right of first refusal. Yeah. >> Meaning what? >> Um, we're not taking it on. We're not

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finding it. >> So, Yeah. >> The lake lodge. >> Yeah. So it that big property like come that left it has there's a big building on it and a little trailer in there. >> Yeah.

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>> That has been in a tax taking for a really really long time and then the town finally took it for good. >> Okay. >> And um >> now they were deciding if they wanted to keep it for some reason or sell it off

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in an auction. the option to sell >> homes out of town. >> Yeah. >> So, we get to town. >> It's going to get sold multif family homes. >> So, this era states is there's nothing there, right?

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>> No. >> Okay. So, I'm going to take that. >> I want to go to Lake Close. You want It looks like it's been gang for a while. >> Yeah, I want to say late 2000s.

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I remember >> huh Lancaster. >> Okay. >> I probably didn't assign anything to >> Oh, yeah. >> Farms. Yeah. Ohio, California. So are farms exempt or do you want to assign

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feed in >> Ohio? >> Ohio. >> I'd say keep up everybody. >> Yeah. >> Is there permeable area assigned to it? >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Three years now.

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>> Bill. Okay. Hey everybody. Bill brought up Stillman Farm. >> Stillman. Yeah. Should we assign Cesy and sign a P to him? It's I think we gave farmland zero. >> Yeah. What is >> he doesn't have?

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>> Yeah. Sman's is all they're building. >> Do they have impervious area? >> Must be it's only roofs like the silo >> and the house. That's it. The house

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parking lot's probably it's all gravel. >> Yeah, >> but they have like a storefront there too, >> right? They It's a small building though. It's not >> So, it's attached to the milk. >> So, the 712 use code. Did I assign a

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zero to that? >> Let me see. Seven >> imperman 71 >> 71 >> 720 >> yes he was sign zero >> yeah so

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>> the next one >> probably another farm >> probably like >> is that Lanny's or something like that >> oh that's um >> is that dicks >> that's dicks I bet that's dicks >> yeah

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and what's handy early. That's >> that's the that's the true form. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that's that's classified as a farm. 7130. >> What is it?

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>> 7130. >> Yeah. Build crops, wheat, blah blah blah. >> There's a house there. >> A >> there is a small >> barns and stuff. Yeah. >> There's a small That used to be the tree farm.

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Plywood used to be there somewhere. >> It's been It's been a Christmas tree. >> There's a farmhouse there. It's sort of use code is wrong. There should be. So, the the only thing that's on that property is the uh is the little store

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for the tree farm and like uh a storage shed for like trackers and stuff. And that's and that's it. And agricultural equipment. Otherwise, it's all Christmas trees. Well, well, we know that he's using it

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for Christmas tree, but that Christmas. >> Yeah, he was talking about selling it off. >> The guy who owns >> he owns other property. >> Does he own salts? >> Yeah. >> The actual like the pool place

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>> like the cool Like I came up in this area before I moved here >> and I like I always like that place. >> It was weird before you bought it. >> How about this one? Nine Wham Road. It's a little trailer park.

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>> Wait, didn't we Is that not the one we already talked about with the Or something else? >> No, it's a little tiny trailer park. >> Oh, yeah. Look at that. >> It doesn't have a used cologne and no use code. use code

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like overall >> um one big thing yeah with the property and they rent out those units >> by 9 MHP LLC. >> Okay. >> And the owner lives in Bolson. >> So suned up.

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>> Yeah. Looks like Is there looks like it's a dark red? It doesn't have like a clear line. Oh yeah, I think it is. I see some parking spots now. >> What do we say? Use code 1310.

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>> That's potentially developable. >> Yeah. So that's like a mixed bag, >> which kind of seems like a >> weird thing. >> Right. I have a note here that says apply a threshold to the 131 use codes. If they're less than 500 square feet,

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then apply zero yards sign zero. You are used to it. If it's greater than 500 and calculate the area using sign um based on that 16,000 square feet. >> Okay. So, four.

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I round it down to the next highest year. And you forgot about the rational parts. It gives people the benefit of the doubt. You know, these aren't perfect estimates. These are just respectful surveys, but you know, error.

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>> All right. So that would be an example of something that I would assign um three to this 16,000ID 4 200 is 3.9 and it's going to round down to three

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eros I wonder >> what does use code then 70. >> What is this? >> This is zero spring street. >> No, it's use code 1310. >> Oh, zero spring street. Don't they

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zero spring street private road? >> Yeah. kind of owns it. >> It's the road. >> Don't do anything with that >> road. >> It says zero street private road and it says Lenberg owns it.

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>> Yeah, it's just a sign of Lenberg because they don't know they >> it's not an accepted street. >> Paper streets. >> Yeah. right on like >> the railroad though. And is it is it paint? >> I don't think so. There might be pieces

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of it. >> Does the town have that room? >> Heck no. >> Yeah. >> Spring. So, it's Spring Street, but for some reason the road itself has a has an address and it's double road on the

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parcel. >> No, >> that's weird. >> That's very weird. >> It's Oops. What is this doing? >> The property lines on the GIS are the Why is it dry? >> This house is

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in the next property. I hope that's wrong for their sake. So, all right. So, don't do anything with that one. She's that right beside there opposite. Is that fell

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anything fell? >> No, it's >> orcsaving places. >> I excavating and landscaping. >> It's like a pave. That looks like a multiply right there.

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>> So, one Richard's way is the mobile station. >> No, this is just what Google put it. This is everything. >> So, they got a big driveway in a building back there. >> What's Samson doing in the verbal area on that one?

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>> Yeah, >> that's Yeah, I believe so because you have it on your spreadsheet. >> Yeah, >> you have it's on your spreadsheet. >> 3.7. >> Okay. >> It just doesn't have a use code. >> Yes. Keep it zero dollars.

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>> All right. See, this is why it's nice to have an assessor so I can so I don't make up use codes. So that'll if I put a use code in there, it's going to trigger an EU calculation and then get populated. >> 10 minutes.

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>> They're putting in how many houses then? >> Well, it's interesting because the assessors were one Richard's way. It says use code 3,400. The assessor spreadsheet that I got from Bill. What's 3,400 >> for one Richard's bag?

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>> Yeah, >> I have 10. >> Jeez. See, this is crazy. >> 20110. >> Oh, no. It went to something else. Hold on. One Richard. It was like >> in one Richard, but then showing me something else. >> You say 3,400 is what?

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>> 32 322 I door shop on the GIS 3400's general office bill. We need an updated spreadsheet from the assessor. >> Yeah, I got this from the town website

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like when we start doing this work three or four months ago. >> So that's that's probably a more recent I built. >> Yeah. So, I was going to reach out to the assessor's office and ask them how I can tap into the pulse of what the latest spreadsheets are from the

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assessor's office. And um I I still don't I can take care of that. >> Yeah, there's a way to get a postcard going. >> There must be some criteria that they

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use to say this is good to go public. Let's put on the website. You would think >> and they probably have one that's in the works and they're updating it. >> Yeah. >> Based on the work that they do and they're going to say, "Okay, let's >> The thing is we can't you can't update

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this every month to do storm water bills." You know what I mean? >> Even to do it annually is >> yeah going to be >> do a snapshot once a year update. >> But basically what's going to change is the imperial area is not going to change. >> It's going to be who the owners are change. on the

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>> construction. >> Yeah. But dozens, not hundreds. >> No. Yeah. >> 322 I for that one assessor spreadsheet >> one Richard's way. >> Yeah. >> So we have three different things.

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>> So the fiscal year 2025 2026 assess value by location. >> Yeah. Maybe that got lost, John, in converting PDF to Excel. >> Um, >> as an I find out the letter.

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>> I got the original PDF. I can just say check. >> I don't always trust the conversion. get >> on that side. >> I know like is error prone enough as it is >> without doing anything. >> I get that all the time

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servers. It's just conversion So, should we go through these anymore or wait until we have the updated Um, >> see if that resolves any. >> It's getting close to nine getting burned out.

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>> I'm the fan of I can take these, hold them in, reach out to the assessor's office. We got to come up with a process for how we're going to get the data from them. This is becomes a thing. We're going to depend on that data. >> Yeah. >> We really need some sort of a contract basically says when are you going to get

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it to us? >> The assessor's office. >> Yeah. They have to lock it at some point when they, you know, send the the tax rate and everything. It's got to be >> maybe that's the time to get it. >> Yeah. Which is >> sync up with them.

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>> Yeah. Right now, the one that they have up is for 2025, 2026. >> So, it's for current time that we're in right now. >> When do they put up 2026, 2027? Not for a while. But this I just exported it and it one thing that's

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annoying when you export is that it keeps the head on each page. >> Oh yeah. >> Um but it seems to have exported >> correctly. So >> a lot of these changes are

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trivial. It's not going to change like the effective rate per eru. It's going to make it go 10 to 20 cents one way or the other from the baseline. So this is just, you know, doing due diligence and making sure that every property owner has a fair assessment.

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So I don't see this in the critical path, but it's important to get it right when we go live. So I'm perfectly careful like, you know, wait right now. Um, should we try to send something to Boston and Samson saying, can we complement what you did with more

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properties? Yeah, I'd like to look at the the list like there's one, two, three, four use actually two use codes really that I think we have some gaps and then there's some like the the parking lot at St.

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Font of us. Do we want to capture that? That's pretty big. >> Yeah, I can disagree after going through this and there's definitely a list of stuff that we can ping them with. I'd like to go back to the CI data to see if they happen to

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capture that because then you can just use that instead of having Weston Samson do it again. >> I can I can volunteer to come up with the properties that we want them to reassess or add to the assessment. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Love it.

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Then I can I'll reach out to this church. >> I think the church is on there >> right there. >> It depend. There's church buildings and then there's parking lot.

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Use code 9620. I have see if I can find it. No. So, there's 9610 is the buildings. 9620. They list it, but the impervious area is blank. It's on their spreadsheet, but

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there's no number for the impervious area. And when I look, it's 795 Massab, whereas the buildings are 811 Mass, >> right? >> And they have different use codes.

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It's just on Weston and Samson, I saw a lot of things listed, but the impervious area was blank. >> Yes. I don't know what it is. >> I know. >> Say you are questions. Why did you choose? >> Yeah. Like why did you even bother

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looking at this? >> Why'd you bother listing it? >> And why did they look up properties which we know one year maybe? >> Yeah. >> I'm just curious. I'm not stoing. I'm just saying what was their thought process.

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>> Do you want to send the other questions and send it off to her? >> Yeah. Yeah. She'll come up with the questions, send it to you and send it to J. You should be the example. >> Well, one is a general one. I mean, they list properties, but there's no

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impervious area listed and some of it I think was at Arrow whatever state whatever. >> They did a number of those >> and they have the addresses in there, >> but they have those as residential, right? >> Yes.

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>> So, they didn't do anything. They just were going on the residential based off of what might have existed somewhere maybe, but because they just they didn't actually deal with anything with the residential. They were only looking at commercials.

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So, they probably just threw that on there seeing that. Does it exist on the assessment? Like there's a couple of residentials here. They looked at West Street and White Street. >> Yeah. So

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at Arrow Estates are all listed in RSS as well. >> Yeah. >> So that's where they got they were just like all the residential. They just dumped those out and gave them. They did a couple of them. They did a couple of 1010s. Maybe it was just a sanity. Check out

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West Street. White Street. >> White Street. The >> It's uh 217 Street. It's Sean McGee. Sean looks like it was the town

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hunting taxes on those parcels that it's looks like they assess the land. There's no living value. >> Kind of weird because >> the land the developer must be paying. I mean, if somebody owns land, you got to pay something.

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>> But they those streets don't fully exist. They haven't been accepted. >> Developers. >> It is. No, it's all 1310. Is that that >> 131? Yeah, that's that's Yeah. >> Yeah. That's >> It's just weird that they each have their own address on these. Like there's

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128 addresses. also they don't have >> and that those aren't like real streets that have been accepted yet. So it's weird to >> no street. It's just cleared land, >> right? The the land has kind of been cleared into what could eventually be streets, but the town hasn't. The town

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planning board never accepted those streets. No. So >> no, they have to be built first. >> There's no streets to accept. >> Well, except it on like a plan though. >> They claimed the name so nobody else can name a street. here. All right.

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Hopefully there's not too much data. Yeah, because I've got almost 20 actions to respond to. Well, add that and I think we're fine. There things don't change much. We're just

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>> We're not going to catch everything. Still people, but >> they don't catch, >> but people will probably blame or they just don't >> especially if there's >> a team of people that are working some of them are fulltime. So

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>> if that's the kind of level of effort it takes to iron out every single wrinkle in that spreadsheet then we don't even have any of those kinds of resources. >> That's that's the thing to nail down the budget. What's that what's the budget? >> I think this is like so close to in the

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bullseye it's ridiculous. So it's 10 fluid is on your shoulders >> and then that number of $7812 will change to whatever cuz I don't know how you guys feel but I feel like we have to present both

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options operating budget and utility >> that's really and I don't know how to get the decision on that from the town because we can't continue down the path of pursuing both. You know what I mean? Like

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>> we did that last time and that didn't work because we didn't get the utility, but also we didn't get all the operating budget you wanted either, right? >> So, >> but we haven't propos I mean when we presented the budget to fined

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to put put it in the operating budget, right? >> So, I think we just need to say no. >> It's never been in there anyway. So, what's the point? >> Yeah. Well, and I think if it goes in the uprating, it actually costs the average homeowner more money. And we said, >> and it goes up with every year in like

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four different ways. >> The tax levy goes up, right? >> And we also know that is paying in equally based upon their impervious area going that way because we don't have as much from >> um >> well, they're paying based on their

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excess value. So industrial >> Yeah. There we go. That's what I'm trying to get to. big. Yeah, they're not paying >> and there's no chance to get credit if you have some kind of abatement, you know, mitigation >> in place.

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>> No, the utility is a significantly superior option. >> We have to convey that this time. >> I was thinking about the abatement and does it make sense the first year to know? >> No, you got to build up the pot. >> You got to have that pot in place in

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order to get the first started, >> right? I need a staff to do that. >> Does it make sense to actually do the abatement in two steps basically at the second year apply for like So we're going to whittle it down to 50%. But you want to do it in like two steps or three steps so that people are diligent in

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every year that they're focused on this. So rather than cut the people for baitment and get it from 100% to 50% do it in like two steps 75 and then 50. Just a thought. >> Not a bad thing. I kind of like it because it's not going to be a sticker shock when all of a sudden

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>> like you lose half of all the >> and we're talking about the abatements for the commercial or for the resident >> anybody. >> Uh well residents aren't going to apply for vacations. >> I mean some might but I feel like this is >> it's probably more work for them to do it than

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>> cost more than the 40. >> Yeah. I'm thinking it's these people that have like >> like hundreds of thousands like thousands of dollars. >> So Mackie is probably gonna go from nothing to like $4,000.

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You know, I've been doing I'm going to proctor um Paul Stone Gravel. They got a huge area. >> They're going to have a big one. They're probably going to apply for payment. >> There has to be a basis for everything too though, >> right?

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>> Yeah. Like the limits for sure in the warehouse they put they are actually after didn't Greg Roy say after building >> the storm water coming off is less than before the building went in. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So but you know everybody can't just buy a >> and it has to you have to show that

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you're maintaining whatever you >> so >> so that that whole process needs to be documented somehow so we can present it to >> he needs a guy. He needs a guy >> especially for the abatement. make sure that it's all working right.

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>> Yeah. So, so how do we how do we do the public information sessions and how do we get this

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before the town to decide which way do you want to go cuz >> because they're very different paths. Operating is going to require probably an override the first year. utilities going to require, you know,

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billing and >> what what information do we not yet have completed in order to do a side by side because I mean that's that's a a side by side budget both ways in the tax bill yet. I feel like that's so

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>> I think we can't I I think we can put it in this tax bill. >> Yeah. >> Has anyone definitively answered that thing? Didn't you talk that about it? >> Yeah. >> Did you get an answer? I feel like every time I talk to Adam about something I forget. >> Yeah, me too. I >> have to like write it down. >> Bernie.

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Remember what he said? >> I don't think we can put it in the same envelope. >> Is he still painted there or some >> Adam Bernie? >> He's on PL. No, >> it's not. Okay. Cuz some last time I remember someone bringing up his name as

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>> Adam Bernie. We are remembered that >> it was very good. >> Yeah, >> it was very good way to do it. >> Yeah, I remember that very well. >> Good job.

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>> Yeah, they were both behind me. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, we're hoping to go before well before fall meeting. >> But what does that article look like? What are you going for? It's >> dude. What about the same thing we tried for? Well, we didn't actually end up

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trying for which is to just establish a utility without But I feel like if if the town's not going to support a utility and they support going the operating budget, we don't put the bylaw on this. That's what I mean. They're two very different

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paths. And I feel like >> we need to decide we're at the fork in the road. Which way are we going? because we can't continue to try to keep both going, >> right? Because it we're here to establish a utility. >> Yeah. >> Not an operating budget. >> I think we need to move.

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>> Well, even with the operating budget, if it goes in the operating budget, it's it's the same. >> I mean, I feel like we should move forward as a utility, but also message why that's better when putting it in the operating.

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>> I just need to have better messaging. a positive economic >> it being a home >> is sell it all >> a lot from people I've spoken to they think that businesses for some reason

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are better for towns than homes for some reason which is I would like to see if like how much businesses pay in tax this year versus homes >> I know that actually >> because if I look

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businesses pay far less per acre than single family houses do. >> True. >> But then I heard that maybe there's a way that businesses are tax differently. >> That's true. That's true. Yes, it's true. >> So I I did talk to before she resigned

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and she did say that and Anna was right. They give all of the businesses an INE form to fill out which is income and expenses >> and based on the profitability. Look, it's a brand new business and they've been losing money. Yeah. >> They don't want to kill them. >> Yeah. >> I think that's what's going on. And once

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they're established and they have a healthy cash flow and they're profitable, then they do it like >> is that >> that's confidential. We can't >> but our tax bills can we get >> would not give that information. >> Tax bill itself will not be confidential.

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>> Right. So the final is confidential. >> That's fine. >> But what their assessment is is what it is and it's on that page that you showed me. >> Okay. So that is their tax bill is >> pay is way less per acre than most. >> That's their actual tax bill.

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>> It should be in all of those pages that shows looking for all those individual properties. It tells you what the tax assessment is. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. So what I assumed and that's what I tried to get from the assessor is is do they assess the industrial and commercial the same way they residents

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based on you know 14 so many >> yeah the tax rate yeah >> times tax rate times value >> right >> and that's my assumption but we don't really need that information >> it's academic >> right >> that way I can calculate it out by acre

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>> but the per the GI is Um, property sheets does have the information on correct. Yeah. From the building. >> Just see what they >> What is it? Walmart. Yeah. What's the address on Walmart? >> 301. >> 301. >> Cuz I'd like to see their annual tax

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bill to see, okay, the the storm water utility if it's $10,000, what it can't be 30% increase to their tax. You know, that will never fly. Um, >> so I'd like to see what their That's that I think was the point

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and we're going to try and calc. >> All right. So, uh, Lunberg Crossing. Lunberg Crossing paid >> 140,000. >> Yeah. 140,000. >> And it is how many?

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>> What does it say there? >> So, it's assessed at 10,845,000 here. >> That's what's in the assessor spreadsheet. Oh, actually it's assessed this year at 10,326,00. >> I was about to say that's what I had. >> Yeah. So it actually went down 500,000

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an assessment this year. >> Depre >> it wouldn't be depreciation. I think >> but but that's what's in the assess couple places in that little >> 140,000. So if what's in the assessor spreadsheet based on that form that they had to fill

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out then we got that information wouldn't be income and expenses because they're they're just property rental like they're not like they're just collecting rent >> so they paid 2886

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28 2866 per acre If we were to calculate it out by looking at that bill >> now I would say most one acre homes here pay about7,000. >> A lot of those a lot of those stores are just boxes. They don't have

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>> I'm just happy about what that property >> pays by acre. >> It tends to be undervalued because the value >> but as far as how much a business is paying into the town versus how much a single family home is paying into the town. a single family home paying

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significant >> and I will say that they don't have because homes they they don't have kids for the schools. >> Yeah. >> Only like a quarter of the houses in town have kids that go to school. So they have like somewhere between >> sometime in their life they probably had kids.

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>> I had kids. >> Yeah. >> But they went to school here. >> When they're in school age they you pay the taxes and otherwise later on you know totally but I'm just saying that most >> but the businesses never have kids that go to school. That's all I'm saying. I say the budget >> right? But they're still paying per acre

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significantly less than a single family home is >> so >> in three homes you've made up one's pupil every year >> which I think is good because they don't get the same benefit. That's what I'm saying. >> Well, they get the benefit of being in town has a good educational system and

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people have money to spend at their stores. >> No, because we're paying property taxes, right? >> So, and they have the same property tax rate as homeowners, too. No, >> we don't even I've never lived in a town that had the same >> Yeah. >> for residential, >> but their assessed values are are are

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depressed because they're just boxes. They're not beautiful houses with granite tops and >> plumbing features and >> 15 bathrooms. >> I think if we're trying to look at it equally, >> how much they're paying per acre, single family homes are paying way more than

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businesses are. And we have to really count in in terms of acres. I have.138% 60%. >> Yeah, I have very low. >> Yeah. So, I pay to get into terms with them. I'd

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have to pay 24,000 $20,000 for >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't I'm not even looking at my >> That's what I'm saying. If they're paying 2,800 per acre and I'm paying 24,000 per acre, there's a significant difference. And that's a pupil right

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there or two pupils. >> So getting back to the fulltime meeting, do we think we can present something? >> We have her on the hook for another information session. >> We'd have to like have the first one I'd say in August and then another one

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before. Tell me. Do we should we before having a public info session have the data that we need the budgets for these two items? Can I go back to FinCom again?

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>> Yeah. >> Do we have anybody new on Fincom that are there? >> Uh Peter Beardmore put in papers. >> Okay. Was he >> Jean? Could Jean went >> Oh, was that elected? >> No, it's appointed. Um, Gan with the

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school committee say there's vacancy and Chris and Jay I think are re upping their terms up. We were supposed to meet last night to appoint them all in. We had to cancel. Meeting wasn't posted correctly. >> Big opponent. >> Yeah, that's what I mean. I think we

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have something that works and we can >> show them that and they sign off on it then like in theory that is something else that we can put before uh the town citizens like >> that's going to be a challenge to get them

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>> they they're Do you remember the last >> they're going to pick at your budget >> somebody on finance committee is the person who sent >> to the whole town I didn't get the library. >> It's the shadow that we're going to present that much significantly

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different what we've already >> I mean we didn't this is a lot more detail than we had before. >> Yes, it is a lot more detail but at the end >> the concept at the end of the day the concept is the same. Is the is the bottom line >> the same or very similar?

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>> But I think that's part of what we get from developing these two budgets is we get to see where the overlap is. So when they say like this is this is something that >> oh I'm sorry uh they were giving a problem of like these are the overheads

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and issues >> and if we both have the operation budget and our utility we can say that that is a shared overhead for both >> then it it doesn't matter like which option we go it's it's not worth considering. >> Wasn't it like 30% overhead in the

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initial bud? >> Yeah. And then we talked him into knocking it down less than 10%. >> We have to reduce the overhead. I mean the billing there's no getting around it. That's that's additional overhead. >> Well, it's like the billing and the personnel, right?

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>> Can the bill itself go to like somebody who's one of those volunteers? It's like stuffing envelopes and you have to pay to have it printed. >> No. >> Yeah. the stuff in the envelope. Sure. But getting it into Munis, that's the hard part. >> Yeah.

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>> It can't just be imported as a spreadsheet into munus. >> Well, >> yeah, there's that's how they do it with sewer. It takes them two days to do it. >> There's so many steps. >> Sewer you do quarterly. >> Yeah.

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>> So, we would be looking at table. >> I have no idea. >> Unice. is 20 plus >> and then it >> screws up everything. >> He has to look at every single bill >> a thousand bills. He has to go through

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every single one to make sure they're right. We're going to have 4,000 bills. >> That's insane. >> Once once a year, one bill a year. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. and and maybe like like we get our tax bills, we get two mailings and you know

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>> you can pay it quarterly or you can >> Yeah, we talked about that before. >> Yeah. But we use the same system as sewer for payment. >> Yeah. >> It is paid right now. >> No way. to combine or the change the

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sewer commission into a sewer and storm water commission. They have to go to the mass legislature for that. >> Really? >> Yeah. I know it's seems ridiculous, but that's what I was told. I think as we've come past 9, I think,

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>> yeah, >> we're we're where we're going to be for the night. I think the will start coming on soon. >> Should I approve last meeting minutes? >> Oh, yes. Uh yeah. Uh meeting minutes. I'll take uh >> Okay. >> Thank you.

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>> Second. >> Uh moved and seconded. All in favor? >> I. >> Great. Um, uh, does anybody else have anything they'd like to address? If not, I will accept it. Oh, >> our next meeting. >> Oh, we're going to do something in

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August. >> We're going to have to bring >> in August. Is that what >> an info session? No. >> Oh, okay. >> A first session or if we go before Finn come or something. I mean, fall time meeting will be in November by early to

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mid. I don't know exactly. So the warrant usually closes, you know, a month before. So September, October, >> and I don't know if the article would just be to because we have to set up a bylaw if

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it's going to be utility. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> I think that that's I think that bylaw still needs work with >> Yeah. The draft that she gave us. So, let's work on that and then work on

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the message we're gonna say. >> Uh, bylaw, budget, and presentation are are kind of three. >> Yeah. >> Uh, points right now. Okay, great. >> Are you saying you wanted me more?

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>> That makes sense. >> I think we're going to have to Do we want to do >> Do we want to do >> the 9th and the 23rd next month or >> I can do the 19th 23rd?

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>> Oh, I am a wait. >> Thursday is the best day, right? Still for everybody. >> I'm not available on the nay. done that whole week. The 16th and the 30th. >> I like that.

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Yeah. >> I'm sorry. Which one? >> July 16th. >> Sure. Yeah, do that. So, I'll get a list of properties that don't have impervious area and think we

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need it. Do we want to review that before it goes to Jice or just send it to a >> I'm sorry, I was putting it. >> I just send it. >> Okay. Sending it. >> It could be a couple hundred. I don't know. >> Yeah. Uh I I I didn't hear what we were

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>> the any any properties that don't currently have impervious area data that we want to get like this 1310 use code seems to be a mixed bag. >> Yeah. >> I mean I don't think it's going to change the numbers a lot as far as

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cost per >> ERU. Right. You're right. So this is just ironing out exactly. >> So it could wait until we're actually ready to start billing. I don't know. I can I can go through and see the list and then decide.

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>> Maybe we compromise and just spend not the whole meeting but section portion of the meeting. It's kind of like sometimes an elephant's so big takes a long time to eat it. So it's tough not to cry. It's going to take time. So rather than we kill

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ourselves just focusing on this one thing like distribute it. if Jerice can if she has any inkling as to what the new permit's looking like and when we should expect it because that could really change the budget.

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>> Oh, yeah. >> They're probably not going down my tests. >> Oh, is this the the latest DPR requirements you're talking about? >> The new permit requirements. Yeah. Supposed to be When is that supposed to

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happen? just here. Everybody's just waiting knows. Do you think you can have budget? >> I think we're in the budget. Yeah. for both scenarios to show

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the closer those two budgets can be, >> I think that the better >> because then I I think the discussion we had before is we expect that the difference in

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um revenue that that comes in from businesses will more than offset uh the additional overheads in billing. You can't meet the 16th of July. >> What does one stick in the morning? >> 30. I can

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>> um do we want to do another Wednesday? Do we just push the 16th to the 15th? >> It depends on Kong's. >> Um we are the first and the 15th. >> Oh, okay. Gotcha. 22nd. Oh, no. Sorry. Wait.

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The 8 is the week of July 6th. >> I'm gone that week. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, July. >> What about what's planning board schedule? Do you know? >> Uh, every other Monday. So, >> first and second, first and third or

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second and fourth. All right. Um I I >> is 13th available. >> 7. Yeah, 13th is available. >> Monday the 13th work. >> Sure. >> That right? >> Which day? >> Monday the 13th.

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>> Sure. >> Still keeping the 30? >> Yeah. >> The 13th and the 30th. >> Cool. >> It's okay for me. >> Bill, are you good? Tuesday >> should be >> I don't have anything on the calendar

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yet but >> when is sewer when is that on Wednesday meeting >> Tuesdays >> yeah I can miss those >> okay 13th and 30th >> the 30th might be I don't have the full

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I might have to join my son soccer not office but summer soccer It's early problem. All right. If we're good, then I will take that motion there. >> Uh motion to adjurnn. >> Second.

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>> Moved and seconded. All in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> So, we said Howard Street.