But I don't know. >> All right. Um, thanks everybody for being here. The October 23rd uh meeting of the Stonewater Task Force. >> Um, let's jump right into it. Uh, we uh is
it two three weeks back uh there was a conversation with Weston and Samson. Um, now I know we've got documents here, but was there anything that was not included in these uh that that was covered in
that meeting? I think it was Bill, you, Renee, and Jen. >> Yes. >> Town manager was there in the car. So, right kind of there. >> Yeah. So, we just talked about reducing the scope of work and we talked about at
our last meeting. So, um, that's what this new proposal is. Um, pretty much what we talked about was I made I only made two copies. Uh, yeah. Do either of you need it? I couldn't bring my >> have it on here. So,
>> I'll take one my tablet, so I don't want to try and read it off this. >> Um, yes. So, we scaled back. I hadn't looked at this part. Um, interesting.
I think I made notes on the original what we asked to cut. [Music] >> Okay. So we >> we said take out >> test two. I thought the DPW capabilities assessment.
>> Yeah, we definitely say >> so that went out. Um I didn't make a note on test one. So that's background data collection and review. I think that was the I didn't Yeah. >> Yeah.
But we could take out task one, but >> that sounds right. Just really >> all of these documents that review the So you gave these documents for them to review. I mean, right?
>> Yep. [Music] And then I'm getting confused. Yeah. Ask one was the background data. It's definitely the thing that I wish she did. >> Okay. Oh, here my notes. Was it the 30th?
September 30th? No, >> 25th. >> No, October 3rd though is when we did our right. Is that okay? So, I have in my notes remove test one, >> right? Which you did. >> Yeah. and the ArcGIS online and web
application done mostly by communities who tiered within SF >> that was task five. >> Yeah, we took that out, right? >> Task five, >> the ArcGIS part of it. >> So,
>> yeah, >> we weren't going to do that. The Was that the online tool? >> That's not That's the part of that was the online tool. Yeah, >> but it's the actual just the delineation of the commercial and other is also in the GIS and I think that's what's
staying. >> Okay. >> So that's >> we're not doing the online web application. You said take that up. >> Does impervious cover GIS data layer for the town at the parcel level? It kind of sounds like it's still in there.
>> It is in there, >> but it should just be >> It was 20,000. Now it's only 12,000. Oh, 700 [Music] >> up to 700 parcels >> and it was 6,370. >> Oh, wait. That's in conquered it says.
>> Yeah, >> I have too many copy. I have too many versions. >> It was 20,300 in the last proposal, but now it's >> 12,000. >> How many properties was it before? >> Um, I have
>> 700 now, right? So what is it now? >> So this is now the new test then >> 1300 parcels. >> So they reduce Cisco 13 to 700 >> right >> is so I don't remember the dialogue but I remember want at least the larger parcels the commercial ones
>> right? >> So but the 700 should certainly cover all that right? >> Yeah. So is the 700 like the the highest commercial properties? Is that what that 700 is? >> Well, it's Yeah, it should be pretty much anything other than single family
dwelling. >> Okay, that's what I thought. Um, sounds good to me. >> And we increased the minimum square feet from 10, which was in the original to 100. They're not going to look at anything that's >> right >> less than 100. Yeah. >> Um,
>> was it 10 square foot in the >> It was in conquer. Yeah. >> All right. >> Yeah, it's good. >> It was It was They did a lot. I mean, they did a lot in conquered a very They had the online tool, everything.
Um, okay. Within SFH, what could SFH be? Okay. Yeah. And >> we talked about removing the storm water
um fee structure, >> right? >> That we could do it ourselves, right? >> But there's a small amount of money there now, right? Yeah. >> 2350. >> What is that for?
Um, let's see. Says they're gonna give us a Excel workbook provider for any work user fee rate structure analysis performance iOS and so I think I think we're going to take our B
structure and give it to them say take a look at it and I think it's more or less just a review. >> Okay, I agree. If I remember last time I made a comment that we were pretty comfortable with what restructure had been proposed. >> Yeah. >> By CI.
>> It was a question of the waiting of our tears, right? >> Yeah. But whatever they did, it didn't need to be a lot. >> Yeah. Because it was in the initial for conquered it was 19,700 >> and for us same. >> Well, that's I mean this is this came from
>> this was based on their work for conquer. >> So task two is now 2315, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. That's that's reasonable >> like just a little advising. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Because we don't know what they're going to turn up. >> The new data will show.
>> And then three is the community education engagement. Yes. >> That stayed the same. >> The cost of that stayed the same. >> Yeah. >> Okay. That's in my opinion that is valid that I
>> um >> printing and distribution costs are not included in the scope. So just note that. >> Yeah. >> Um >> that's small. >> And then we reduced the meetings and project management piece. >> Right. It was 22,100
and now it's 12,450. And the meetings went >> three small group, four public presentations and nine monthly progress meetings. >> So one small group, two publications and five. >> So basically cut everything in half or maybe a third.
>> Yeah. Right. So we were at 85,000 or we're at 42,000 >> because I think if I remember we told she's like well what you know what budget what are you looking to get to? And we're like >> half. Yeah. >> Yeah. We got a lot of what we wanted.
Yeah. >> A lot lower. Um, and she still thinks we can make it or film meeting >> like springtime meeting. >> Yeah. >> Wow. It's aggressive, but
we do have a placeholder on the the November town meeting warrant to give an update. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Oh, do we want to use one of ours for that? I I'd rather save her for >> I know.
>> Yeah. I probably just take what I did at the last town meeting and just rehash it a little bit or fine tune it a little. I don't know >> how many people show up at the special town meeting.
>> Usually less than but >> I've never been. >> It's a week night. It's a Tuesday night. >> I'm going because um there's some stuff for conservation in there that I'm interested in. >> Oh, really? Yeah, just the administrator.
>> Oh. Oh, the Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, not that I'm not interested in the other stuff. >> I think Well, I have to look back and remind myself of what you said at the annual. I think one is to explain the
delay that we found out the data was 10 years out of date and we have engaged a new consultant. Yeah, put something in about that. >> I mean, when we first put this out, did
we tell people what our timetable was at that meeting? I don't remember. Because I think originally our timetable was like this time next year, not spring. >> I thought it was the spring one. >> I thought it was the spring, too. But >> was it okay?
>> Let me see. But maybe >> because I thought my take on it was once we made a decision we wanted like a full year's worth of advertising. >> Yeah, you can see there is what storm water we need.
It may not be a bad idea to start introducing the consequences like Jen has presented. This is like like at the tri board the budget impact if we don't do this if we don't have the utility. >> Um not to fully flush it out but just
somehow >> probably did say spring. But we'll have another meeting before I meet. No. >> Okay. So I can >> do you think I don't know >> the presentation to the the trial?
>> Not the whole thing, but you know just the fact that um >> cuz I'm already I'm already hearing >> this the tax. What's another tax? What do you really think we need? Yeah. >> Already without even anything coming.
>> Yeah. >> But are you So do you guys think this new proposal Okay. We have the money for it. Town managers on board. >> Yeah. >> This is very good. Yeah. I think it's >> and I'm very I've heard a lot of good things about
them especially in this field too >> doing this. So I feel much better about it. >> Yeah. Um I think we need to go for what CI isn't giving us what we need. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. CI is much less expensive, but
we're not getting what we need. So >> Right. >> Well, we don't know what CI would cost to do >> impervious area. I know. I >> I mean they technically gave it to us. that they gave us is just not right or >> right. They were already done that were
>> Yeah. I'm not convinced that we got the full updated >> Yeah. >> accurate data. I think that's important for for the public to know too is that >> we're, you know, we're trying to >> work with the right data, the current data, the accurate data. >> Yeah. >> When it comes to impervious area and the
properties that are in town because a lot has come up in the last 10 years. Yeah, I'm ready to go on it. Yeah, same. >> I'm ready to go. >> Yeah, I agree. >> You want me to make a motion? Do we need a vote? We probably should vote on it.
>> Probably should. >> Sure. Um, I'll make a motion to approve the storm water utility proposal received October 10th, 2025 from Weston and Samson. >> So, I second that motion. >> Moved and seconded. All in favor?
>> I have >> I. Great. >> And I'll hold those against. >> Yeah. >> Silence. >> Yay. So the next thing in my package is is kind of what my budget looks like.
>> So I gave that and it kind of showed that yeah I definitely don't have the money the 42,900. Right. The worst case scenario I'm I'm over budget by $45,000. But but I think I'm going to happen and I'll have about
$3,000 left at the end of the year. So >> town manager has it covered, >> but we definitely need money. >> And then the next thing, >> that's what this is. Is that what this is? >> That's the war.
>> Where is that? >> So asking and this is to cover the uh vending. >> Yep. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Is that language sufficient or should we add or
>> um this is just a summary. This isn't the actual language of the article. This is Jen's summary. >> Right. >> I have Do you want the language? >> I It's short and sweet. If that's all you need, I'll
>> Well, it's part of um Yeah, it's let me find it. >> Who is this going to go to? >> The summary. >> It goes into the booklet, right? That gets mailed out to all. >> Okay. >> The annual town meeting.
>> Okay. So, there's >> this be part of the annual town budget. >> No. No, it's not part of the >> it's the money is coming from old capital unspent money from old capital projects I believe. So
>> old capital projects that never happened but the money is there allocated. So the money's there. >> Okay. >> Just has to be reappropriated. >> So this is okay. So who approves the reappropriation >> and everybody votes on it individually or is this part of the whole town budget?
Is it just like a line is line item? Is it a line item or a separate article at the town meeting that everybody holds on? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um do we want to include line items exactly what the contractors are going to do? >> It will have that. >> Okay.
>> Um >> so it's going to be printed to the town. People will have that information. >> If it's not in the printed warrant, I think it will be um it will be the handout and it will be shared presented at town meeting. Right. Okay. Um,
so it's going to be under this, I think it's article D, prior fiscal year capital program adjustments and authorization to fund special projects reallocate funds appropriate to appropriate to prior to this year for the Yeah. So this is I mean this is
incomplete language. We're still waiting, I think, for town council to review the warrant. We're voting tomorrow night when S&P changes. So, this is still very much not
done. >> Tomorrow, >> yeah, 4:00. Yeah. >> Wow. >> That's when we could get the labor council, I think. But yeah, uh >> so I don't know. It's probably sufficient.
>> This is just a summary. I mean, >> yeah, we might have to get up and talk about it for a second, then >> I don't know. Or Jen might talk about it. I don't know. >> Oh, here it is. author uh authorization if they combine these two and it is like storm water is listed there and it'll be
429. So when in the warrant like Jen puts the article and then a summary underneath of what it means. >> So this is the this is a summary that's going to go under >> then somebody's probably going to talk about it.
>> Mhm. Yeah. No, I think that the summary helps. Yeah. >> And I think if I remember, I think we I didn't bring those notes with me, but I think we voted on it last week
or at least to uh to include it. We don't have final numbers, so we can't really vote. Um Yeah, that's good. So, the only other thing we need for town meeting is the presentation. 5 minutes.
>> Yeah. So, I just fine too what I got there. >> Yeah, sounds good. That's all. So, we won't be able to initiate a contract with them until after town meeting, >> right? >> Assuming it the article passes cuz we
need the money. >> Sure. >> Doesn't pass. I don't think this goes. I don't think the money's anywhere else. >> Yeah. It's not in your budget. >> No. >> And we can't reappropriate outside of >> no meeting,
>> right? >> Yeah. Doesn't get approved. This is out a year, right? >> At least six months. Go back in May. >> Yeah. Okay. Um, >> so we don't have anything to do until we
have this in place, right? >> That's what it sounds like >> cuz we need data to even set to struct. >> Okay. >> You like them, right? >> Oh, I like it. Yeah. Yeah. >> Do we have anything else to discuss on
this particular matter at the moment or we just we've got to go to the town meeting and hope we go through I hope we uh get the funding we need there. >> So, what day is the town meeting? November 18th.
>> The Tuesday, >> isn't it 18th? >> Yeah. >> I think it was the 12th. >> Okay, good to know. 11th is Veterans Day. So it's work any of these federal holiday.
>> I got to say I don't >> um I didn't see meeting minutes for the last meeting. I don't know if I just missed them though. >> They did go out. I have them right here if you want them.
Yeah. >> What was the >> date? Just about a couple days ago. >> Search for two days ago. >> Okay. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Okay, I'm happy with this. >> Oh, yeah. I forgot about that questionnaire. The master plan steering committee. >> Yeah. Make a motion to approve the minutes from September 25th. >> Motion to approve the minutes from last
meeting. Seconded. Yeah. Moved and seconded. All in favor? >> I. >> I. >> All right. >> As always, um, how are things going with the BMP? >> So, go and take a look. So, all the
earth work part of it is done. >> Yeah. Um we still need to to put up a kiosk and we get a design for that. And there's um couple of grates that have to go in to to catch the water that's coming off the driveway and then funnel
it over to our um swale. >> So we have the grates here. Um we could put them in any time, but I forget what we're waiting for. Um, but this should be in soon. >> Excellent.
>> But it looks pretty good. Uh, you can see all the the plantings are in. The grass is all seated, starting to come up. I looked at it today. Looks looks good. >> Getting a little bit of rain now. >> I have a dough question if the green's not there. >> Well, is there a hole there that someone
had fall in? >> No, no, no. It hasn't been dug up yet. >> Okay. >> That piece hasn't been dug up. So, it's it's got to go. The grades go over the um the sidewalk. So, we have to cut out a piece of the sidewalk, put the grade in, right? So, the water can go from the
driveway, the paved driveway into our new BMP. >> Okay. >> There's two over. >> Excellent. >> But it looks good. Yeah. You can't even tell they were there except for all the new plantings.
>> Good. Uh, does anybody else have anything they would like to address? >> Do we need to get together for your presentation before or you good? >> Oh, yeah. >> Um, >> we could do send it out to everybody and we could feed give you feedback >> individually
>> just to the group. >> Yeah, >> sure. So we don't meet until well then it's Thanksgiving the week after town meeting >> right >> first then in December.
>> Yes. Maybe meet the first week in December. >> Sure. >> Yes. >> The fourth. >> Yeah. the cord. Maybe we'll have a contract by then. Anyone?
It's a lot. >> Before I forget. >> All right. Um, unless anybody else has anything else, I'll accept a motion to adjourn. >> So moved. Second. All >> All in favor? I I
>> Thanks everybody. I want to