All right. This is the Lunberg Water District Commissioners meeting. Uh January 24th, 2026. >> 14th. >> 14th. Okay. January 14th. I put my glasses on. >> Uh let's start with the pledge of allegiance. I
>> pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Uh, how are you on the minutes, John? >> All right,
>> if you keep we'll keep reviewing those. We uh warrants. >> Let me look for a minute. >> Okay. Uh, we'll look at item number three right now. Discuss date and articles for our special meeting. >> Okay. I mean, you you guys still up for
a special meeting because a lot of stuff we got to do. would be great to get it moving. I mean, we got you want to go to the articles. I mean, some of them are not necessary to do it immediately, but I think it it be in our
best interest to get them moving. >> So, the only there's two trains of thought. Get that stuff out of the way that unless it's a immediate need. Uh, I hate to call too many meetings
because we're trying we have a hard time getting people to come to like one and we're so close to our annual. Um, I mean if there's nothing real controversial that I guess I'd be open to that. >> Yeah, nothing should be. I don't think there's anything I my big thing that I
would recommend is um we had talked last time about the data collectors. Mhm. >> If if we're going to be switching billing companies, you know, um July 1st, going through doing stuff, my opinion, I would love to have those data
collectors up and running before that's going. So, if we wait until the annual, then the money's not allocated till July, then we're kind of behind. If we can do a special get the money appropriated now, we can get those two data collectors up and
syncing with everything in the transition time. Like I said, there's nothing that's real controversial. I think that it it could be a real quick thing and and then it and then it doesn't draw people out to two separate >> uh meetings. >> Yeah, >> I understand the reasoning. Some of the
stuff has to be done under a special meeting. So, you can't just add it to our annual. >> Yeah. >> Regardless of what we do, we have to have two meetings. >> Yeah. >> Whether we have two of them at the same, you know, uh at the same time frame or whether we have one and then the other.
So, uh I don't see a lot of controversy personally on the items that you discussed. I think that uh some items might want to go to the annual.
>> So, I guess the the couple that we weren't really sure about was uh last meeting we talked about Keings. Um and you and >> chairman were kind of on different and that's when it was decided. Let's let the people decide. is that I mean that's kind of another thing that would be nice
to allocate sooner rather than later to be able to keep moving forward with options. >> So if that makes a let the people decide type thing then I would probably want to push something like that item to the annual meeting would be mine. So you'd rather keep things sitting. Okay. >> Because that
>> because that's where you're going to >> if if it's nothing big, I don't think it it it draws a a lot uh to where people have to feel they have to go to both. >> Okay. >> That's just that's my take on it.
>> 8 8 to 10 annual meeting last Saturday in March. 8 to 10 is voting. 10 is the annual. And then you want to call a special after that. And you're thinking of putting the heings on? >> Well, I'm thinking if we have uh if we if some of the things are
time sensitive that we would be doing anyway and then those I don't have an issue having a special meeting anytime. So I think something like the testing at the keing well I think that >> maybe that should wait for the special
meeting. But if you're talking about we have a an IRS bill that we have to pay. we the the loggers and getting that on we that those are things that I because correct me if I'm wrong moving forward
the part part of the loggers or operational part of that system is going to be in our budget for next year which would be voted on >> that'll be the billing part the data collectors this is more um the the fee to get them and put them up >> right
>> nothing really I don't think >> yeah we already have >> we already have this the software to service everything. This was just the actual >> and we were looking to pull that money from >> um service. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, I I I don't see an issue
because that's not a I mean, what types of dollars are we talking about for that? >> Um the data was uh because we were going to do two 73 they were 365 each 73,000. I don't see and and the what we're talking about for the public and correct
me if I'm wrong are the the being able to read read meters from data collectors put on our towers that we currently maintain for communication so that instead of driving around town with a reader we'll be able to read faster
>> you or we could even even read daily if it wanted to hey we got a leak you know what's >> yeah it's going to alert us to help me with the end goal of where why we are starting here and where where we
are going and the benefits to the takers just so that you know it's it's it's it is a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned but I think the public has to understand where we're headed with this and the benefits to that. So like right now we we we we drive around which isn't really
a big deal to read meters but uh it's every 3 months. So the with the new data collectors you could read them daily. Uh you could read them whatever frequency we want and we can start tracking uh it could like it could it could log
someone's house and say you've been using water all day his his red flag. So the people could actually log into this thing and look at their usage on a one on a daily basis. >> We're not going to build we're not going to bill with the data it's collecting. We're only going to bill at whatever
frequency we decide. >> Right? So the idea being that the people that do come in and and either have a leaky toilet or or have issues that cause them extensive water bills or expensive water bills, they're going to have a means for earlier notification so
they can correct the problem. It's a water saving thing for us, water conservation for us, and a money saving for the customer that, you know, they they have a way of detecting that they're having an over overuse.
And so, I'm all for this. It's it's um I have a a property with a a electric meter that warns me when I use too much power. So therefore, I'm aware of it and I can
correct that. Either I left lights on or did something. So I I think that this is something that's an added benefit uh to the to water takers and I'm I'm all for it. So this is why I feel it's I just wanted to let everybody know what I don't think it's a
controversial issue. I think that we would be updating um how we do our billing um in the future anyway. And I think this is the the future of of of water conservation and and the
technologies there. >> And as Christie said, you know, we're doing the new billing program, so we can tie everything together and uh just just plug plug on. >> Yep. >> Good. So, >> so pretty much two two articles they you want to focus the IRS and the
>> and the data collectors. So, we can wait >> we can wait. I mean, even if you put on as one of the articles in the annual meeting, so so long wait till July. I mean, this isn't a >> Yeah. >> No, it's not it's not going to change anything tomorrow by by my means. I
still feel that you're still going to >> you're still going to have the PAS issue. I I agree. >> So I I don't think that's going to go away. I think having extra capacity Yes. I think it's a great great idea. >> Yeah. Yeah. We won't get any >> We won't get extra capacity, but extra
backup, >> per se, but I don't know. I'm I'm still not all for it, but >> that's why I felt it's something we could put an I'd be for putting an article and I think it needs more might need a little more discussion. So I
would hold that to the annual unless you feel any different on that, John? >> The only other question we had was we've been going back and forth talking about the excavator, new equipment. >> Yeah, >> that again isn't a an immediate that can
if >> I don't know what your your feeling is on that, John. I don't care either way because we'd be updating the equipment that we have. We we've talked about it for years. The JCB is 20 some odd years old, >> 96.
>> Yeah. But it's it's so we're due to rotate the equipment. I don't think see that being controversial, but I either way wouldn't matter to me. I don't know if you have a preference on where >> that's when that tractor was bought. 96
GCP was well, we we bought it used. The uh the Caterpillars are 2009. We we got in 2008. >> Yeah. So >> I mean in that one we talked were we talking about um
PAS the funds because it's going to go towards the plants and to towards or not plants but towards >> where the money come. >> Yeah we we could take it from surplus which is where the PAS money went and this the new machine will be used >> to go to water lines plants and it'll do
so much more. It'll help us. It'll be more efficient for repairs that we when we're the current repairs that we're doing to the system as they >> it'll get well used even if never mind the water means that you know we'd like to replace >> right >> looking for
>> what are you particularly looking for? >> Yeah. You have rubber tired we got pricing they were around 180. >> Yeah. 180 and then depending what you wanted to do for attachments to it and how many buckets >> I again I think maybe that might be a
better It doesn't matter to me either way. I think that it's a a thing that we need to be doing anyway. We've shown justification for it. I don't see it being controversial. Um, I don't know. What do you think, John?
Just wrote on that. >> Who knows? Let's >> You never know what's going to happen nowadays. >> I think it's worth putting that on. It's going to be months before. If >> Yeah, that I would put it on I'd put it on a special cuz it's it's it's an easy
justification. >> It's equipment that's needed. Yeah, >> it's not it's not uh anything extra. It's it's it's needed for the foreseeable future for the operation of the district. >> The only the only thing is
some of these machines now are so computer oriented. >> Oh, every one of them. >> There's some that a little less. >> Yeah. Those are the ones you got to find out about it. And you really got to dig
into the computer side of these foolish things now. It's just I mean it's unbelievable what you have to do sometimes to just I mean just to run the thing. >> Mhm. >> So that's what >> with your phone now, John.
>> You can run it with your phone now. >> Yeah. You can run them sitting there at home. And it just it's absolute stupidity is the way that the way they're building them. Completely stupid. >> So then lastly, we need a date.
I know I spoke with the chairman and he said he's February is so we need at least two weeks. >> It's got to be posted for two weeks. It's probably going to take you a week to set it up. Yep. >> So So >> So we're looking mid >> three weeks. February. So we have
meeting February 11th and 25th. >> So if it was me, I would tie it to a commissioner's meeting. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I would say the 25th is probably best option because I think the third week is normally the vacation week. >> Yep. That's school. >> And if people want to be around for it,
I don't want to interrupt people's vacation because I for one know how important vacations are. >> All right. So we're gonna Wednesday, February 25th. Um 6:00 p.m. >> We could and we would have to Oh, 6 p.m.
>> Yeah, I guess we could do that. >> Amazing. >> Okay. >> I mean, we could >> Yeah, that works because that gives everybody a chance. Anybody that wants to attend Yep. >> It's gets out of work hours. >> Yeah. Okay. All the articles. Do they
have to >> on the 28th at our next meeting, do they have to like vote to approve the articles for the special meeting and everything? >> They Yes, they should sign. >> Okay. So, that'll work. So, then I'll get a draft together by the 28th to vote to approve it. Then we can post it.
>> Yeah, that works. >> Okay. >> All right. Okay. Make a motion on that. Okay. Uh, make a motion to accept the commission's meeting December 17th,
2025. All those in favor? >> I >> I Okay, the minutes uh discuss legal letter from attorney regarding kayak rack in zone one.
Uh, we received another Reddit letter from McGregor. Uh, Brian >> Nathaniel Stevens. >> Yes. So, basically, you know, we we made our
decision. It's still to me it's a legal thing. >> Send it to the attorney. >> Go to the attorney. Just uh So, the letter the letter is here if anybody wants to read it. I believe it's a public record. Um, >> that's about it because that letter was written to our attorney. So, I feel we
let our attorney respond. >> Yep. >> Check. >> Okay. Commissioner, superintendent, clerk, treasurers, additions. >> You first. Um, we, excuse me, we're
have the survey officially going out. The public engagement survey is officially going to be mailed out to everybody the last week of January, the week of the 26th. >> Okay. >> So, we reached out to the Lunbrick Ledger. They are going to um left hand follow up, but they're doing a little
story on it, but I did reach out to have them post the flyer, letting residents know that this is coming out. Keep an eye out. It'll have the QR code. So, >> can they put the QR code in the paper? >> Yep. >> Perfect. >> Yes. So, that's going to go in the paper. I also had them create a flyer
for me to just go around um the library town hall just hang it out so if people toss away the mailer and they're out and about, they can scan this and >> and are we going to address the selectment so that they can address it?
>> Kind of. We could >> we could and I had spoke to the town manager just a few months ago. She was >> she's really into you know into the PAS stuff. So >> um she was asking to send the information something we could send it and she could say you know we like your
support or if we you would like we >> Yeah. The important thing is that there's many people from the community that you know if if you don't fill the survey out then your voice is not heard >> right. So everybody has different things that are important to them about their
their water. And it's very important. We're trying to get a collective decision from the from the entire community, not just uh any one area. So if you don't if you don't put in for it,
then we don't know. And I'm assuming we're going to be making decisions based on some of the information we get out of this survey on how to proceed moving forward. So, I think it's I think it's uh very important that as many people that can fill the survey out.
>> And I believe um with you speaking to the gentleman with the ledger that um he had asked once we start to get the results in, you'd like to do, you know, follow-up story and let the residents know what the results were. I mean, we'll let them know as best we can, but the ledger wants to be a part of it. So
I I spoke to him about two two issues that I mean well not really issues but the survey is one and then the non-compliance for not sampling for the PAS >> for well five or two >> and I actually showed him the email and he understood that why we didn't sample
>> but uh so it was just you know we did all the sampling and and caught back up and everyone's all good and then u you discussed a survey and uh just went through the options. We sent it to him so he can see all the all the
information on it. >> Mhm. >> And I I told him, "You have any questions, you know, ask. We'll we'll answer them right away." And to me, the biggest biggest one to me is be fast. Pass. We have to treat it. And uh the other one is the hard hard water, you
know. I mean, we go through spurts. I mean, even Lisa was clean cleaned there on Friday and she was complaining about the hard water, white staining everywhere. >> So, this is why this is why the survey is important that everybody that anybody that has these issues because somebody living on one end of town may have a
more severe issue with the hard water with the way the system works now as opposed to somebody on the other side of on the other end of town may have a different issue. So, we want to get as much of a uh cover as much geography as we can with the surveys to to try to
pull together what's the most important to the entire district. So, um, and to be clear, currently, uh, you said, I mean, we keep saying PAS, some people say, well, you know, it's not
that high, but D does have deadlines set so far for uh, PAS remediation. How do those deadlines affect um, where we are? So currently you said there's a deadline for
>> 2027 you have to have a game your game plan in so how are you going to treat it and then you know treatment plants are ready to go maybe they're being constructed or they're going out to bid whatever 2027 you have to know what
you're going to do by 2031 you must be in compliance takes takes usually few two to three years to build the treatment plan so there's not a whole lot of time here >> so a year from now and then some in that area. We are supposed to have a plan in
place on how we are going to deal with PAS >> correct >> to reduce it to the acceptable levels of the the EPA and the D. >> So >> and three years or four years after that we have to have that we have to be
compliant with those regulations. >> You have to meet the regulations. Yeah. >> And that's the current regulation out there. >> Right. So, so currently the the old reg regulation was 20 parts per trigger. >> So, the state is still
working as that as your trigger number. >> Accept EPA's >> EPA's four that the state needs to accept that and come up with their own regulation uh legislative act that states that some some some states they just take what the EPA says and go with
it. Massachusetts does it their own like like in the past the U PA pass was 70 I portrayed from the from the EPA Massachusetts dropped it to 20 all their own because they knew they knew how hazard this was. So so Massachusetts could they could actually make it more
stringent than the EPA which is at four. I don't don't think they would. >> Yeah. >> But anyway, so so that's kind of where we're at. So that's why all the the triggers for sorry funding is tied to the state's 20 pots per trigger. That's that's the
main thing to look at until they until they possibly accept which is almost but you can't there's no guarantees but it's >> until they accept that then we're looking at a trigger of four. >> Yes. Yeah. It has to be four or
>> four. When do you have to be in compliance complete compliance? 3031 >> 2031 >> 2031 >> and this was it was it was two years earlier they they still >> yeah and I assume like everything else there's probably going to be a little bit of leeway but there's still going to
be the expectation that stuff gets completed >> if you're in the process you're going to be >> and if you're not in compliance or in the process >> they issue their legal actions I don't know fines I don't I don't
>> tell us we can't pump water Well, >> you know what I'm getting at. >> Yeah. >> Um, with the special interest group in town, what if that money is not approved to do what we have to do and we're not in compliance? What's going to happen then?
>> And you know, we love the deal. We're doing we're doing what we need to do through our regulatory authority. >> I understand that. I'm just I'm just looking down the road. hope >> that just wonder what's going to happen in the future if uh if this just doesn't >> just doesn't fly.
>> Yeah. So, the goal is to educate the public as much as possible and try to fall into compliance and and get things >> kind of where the survey is going to bring us. Hopefully, they see it, >> respond to it, and if they don't know about it,
>> which we'll see in the survey, >> Yeah. >> then well, how how do we teach them about Yeah. Yep. >> There's probably still a lot of people out there that are like, "Peas, what's PAS?" >> Lisa just said that the other day on the phone with someone. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> She's like, "Wait, what? You >> Yeah. >> Happens. Don't even know what town they live in." >> So, the only other thing I got on the uh just just to so you're aware, we had a main break on Sunday, Northfield Road.
Uh that's not flagged on any of my spots for something we should change. >> Right. Right. >> Number four. Go come off a mass. >> Go up 50 ft. >> You think it has anything to do with the the vein replacement on Massav?
>> No. No. >> You don't. Well, so maybe not physically, but now you have you have brand new main that tolerates >> what? much more. >> And wouldn't you think it would then find the next because you've always said
it finds the next weak spot. >> Yeah, true. But but this was uh we we dug it up and uh it was a very deflected joint. So it was so that's a transient water made. So it's rubber rubber >> seal
>> O-rings that make make the seal inside the coupling. So it was the cup it was a very it was a large bend. >> I think it was too much. I'm surprised it even lasted as long as it did. So the rubber pushed out of one side of it and actually blew the rubber right out of it. So >> So you think it comes back from an original install issue?
>> It it Yes. I'm I'm surprised it didn't Yes. It didn't leak in the past. >> So you don't see this as becoming a >> hopefully. >> No, I I think I think it's one maybe we should maybe consider putting on the list or maybe maybe move it down. Uh cuz
we've had I think two or three. >> You had one at the entrance to the woodlands there and um you had the one >> uh that's a different different pipe. This is the So all right. So from Massav to that very first hydrant 6 in translate AC pipe.
>> Yeah. >> So that's that would be a good section to >> get rid of. It's not very long. >> From the first hydrant up. What is that? Does it change? >> Uh that's 8 inch PVC. >> Okay. That's That's actually a good >> Yeah. So, it's not a big big stretch,
but it's >> Yeah, it's not big. Uh little bit of ledge in there. Be a little tougher traffic, you know, especially mornings and afternoons on the downside of this main break when we the guys when they were closing the valve at the very first hydrant. So, when when the main broke,
we shut if we shut down the valves that we that was supposed to be used, it probably would have been four houses out of water. This valve broke, so they had to go to the next valve, which was at uh Oakav. So, we shut off not many. Still probably only 10 10 15
houses, but uh that valve broke and there's a We got to fix it. >> Isn't that what is that the one in the new driveway? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Right. Right. Brand new driveway. There's a hydrant there. So, I'm thinking we do a new hydrant and a new valve. And uh so maybe we just move it away
from the driveway a little bit. Brand new drive. I I don't know. I don't want to wreck the driveway. >> Okay. >> But we got to take fix the valve because it broke almost closed. So water's going through it. But uh it will affect boflows.
>> Okay. I'm sure you made the fire chief aware. >> Maybe make him aware. >> I agree. just so easy with because if you if >> it's still it's still it's not like closed where you it still can flow a
full hydrogen out of it from what's leaking but it's not it should flow more out of it you know we add it so you still get the main you know line coming out mass it out so but I'll I'll >> let's let him know what he's dealing
with so just in case >> uh we're still looking at we're still floating like 1,00 to,200 gallons a minute. >> Oh yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. That with that the way it is now probably 3,000. >> Okay. Yeah. That's
>> I did have one other thing. I was just going to let residents and we will let everybody know we were switching we're going to be transitioning to new emails. Um but our lonverizon.net net that we've had for ever.
>> We finally got our mass our.gov emails. So, um we'll be notifying people and slowly transitioning over to those.gov emails for everyone. >> Cool.
>> You got anything? >> No. >> Oh, good. I just wanted to thank the uh uh employees. We like you said, you had a water break the other day. What was it? Was it on a Sunday or something? >> Sunday. >> Yeah. They they came came in and >> it went quick. Wait, I think it went
down to two. >> Y came in and took care of it and I appreciate it. >> Yeah, it was a short crew. It was just myself, Terry, and Ryan to start.
I heard TJ didn't get his uh his message or something on his phone. TJ PJ TJ. >> Yeah, he Yes. He He was all upset. He he was here and uh I saw him pulling in. He's like, "My phone didn't go off. A guy got all the calls and the texts all
at one time." >> I've been running into that every now and then. So, I don't know if that's the end all be all system, >> but >> So, I I was actually clunking all over this. We're all get We're getting a new radio system someday. >> Yeah.
>> You know, and I'm thinking we because I I want everybody to take a portable home. We do an alert tone, broken water man. We have it on the digital. >> Yeah. >> And uh so we can do an analog one because that this new system's analog. So we'll do a alert tone, you know, broken water maybe
>> and then boom, your radio's going to go off and not that's not tied to any cell, nothing. So I mean >> and then even if you went an hour later, go look at your radio, your radio's flashing red and with a beep, you're going to know. >> Will that cover most of employees residents?
>> Oh yes, it won't come with beep. >> Yeah, it's okay. >> You get to sleep. >> I'm sure they'll call. >> Yeah, they'll call if needed. All right. We have anything else under that? >> Okay. Public comment.
>> I just got a quick question. Uh >> oh. >> No, it's a good one. It's a good one. Paul Grundis, 35 John Street on that new billing thing that you're going to use. >> Would that notify you, Kristen, if you had a water mane break? >> Would that What would What would that
indicate anything? >> Not brakes. I mean, the guys get the alarms from SCADA. That's more the the um >> sorry, >> but let me let me All right. So, at the Sunny Hill Road water tank, we have an ultraviolet light. >> Yeah. >> And right before the light, there was a
a flow meter. So, the flow meter tells the the UV light what what flow is and you know what power to run and stuff like that. So, part of that when we stuck it in, we stuck a uh a flow sensor alarm on it. So, we can set it. We can we we can set whatever whatever we want.
So when there is a broken water man, we get a call as a broken water man before anybody even knows where it is. >> Okay. >> So we're getting dressed heading in and uh then usually >> usually on the way in the police. >> So for this further question, how do we
notify people now when there's a broken man? >> What are the what are the >> Oh, notifications of broken man. Yeah. Facebook, that kind of stuff. But this is more um this is your meter and your radio that's on your house. So, this will be more of an internal thing. If you have water that's flowing through
your meter, >> no more >> faster or more than should be, that's when I would get the alert here. But, um, it would, I believe, I haven't gotten the full training on it, but who we've talked to, he said, um, the residents will be able to have some type
of way to log into it as well and set some kind of alerts that, hey, if water runs more than six hours a day, alert me. So they'll get the alerts, I'll get the daily alerts, you know, flags, that kind of stuff. >> If they don't return, if they don't, if it keeps going, then you'll you'll
eventually >> Yeah. If that were to happen, I, you know, I would love to have phone numbers on all the accounts, but I don't. That's right. But worst case, I would send the guys out, >> put a letter on their door, knock on their door, hey, we just got an alert. Your water's been running for 12 hours. And like, I can't even tell you how many
times we've had residents just this year come in. you know, one of them leaving their hose outside on outside and and they didn't know it. They didn't hear it. >> So, >> there's been three or four from last year. Okay. >> Yep. >> All right. Thank you. >> Yep. >> Couple questions as well. And just to
follow up to Paul's there, uh John Fortune50 hemlock drive. So, what's in our house today will work with these data collectors. So, you won't be coming into anybody's house to do any changes rather than there? >> No. Because they're tied to the radios that are outside. It's just Eventually,
we'll be changing the meters. >> Well, as needed, but right now the radios are on the outside. So, instead of the guys driving by and it's shooting it, it's going to be up here and it's I'm going to click a button from here and it'll read it. So,
>> um I had a couple of uh questions and a and a just a point of clarification. So, Wednesday, February 25th, 6 p.m. special meeting is what you're heading towards now. I wrote down two articles and I'm not sure I'm correct if there was more than that. I I know you guys knew what you
were talking about but the public may not. So, and I didn't and I'm sitting in the room. >> Yep. >> So, one was on the data collectors >> and one was on a new tractor. Was there a third one or >> two? Um, there was a bill that we have to pay from the IRS.
>> An IRS bill. Yep. Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Sure. >> Um, a couple of questions. I I read recently um the I think it's 2011 infrastructure
report that we have I know you submitted it with the last SRF I think it's 2011 but it's old right there's nothing is there anything newer than that >> no that's the only >> so I read that and as you have made mention Fran several times and actually you were just talking a little bit about
it again we have many miles of pipe in town that were put in in 1940 and that's what you have in in that infrastructure war. Their useful life was up until 1990. So, we're here 36 years later than 1990 and I don't know how many miles
are, but there were a lot of roads. You know, you've you've just you just recently worked on Massav and that you know, the water takers increase in bill was about $15 a quarter. That's what ours was. I assume that's everybody. >> Um, do we have an updated plan and an
idea what the updated costs will be for replacing? I mean, all this stuff's going to go at some point. I realize it doesn't all go to at one point, but is there an updated plan that we're going to be fixing this and an idea what it will cost?
>> Uh, no. No updated plan just as as as we can. >> So, if I can jump in. >> Yeah. So say there's no >> updated Fran Fran has actually been working a lot on and you can see on the map that he is he's he has up behind him.
>> He's taken from that plan and taking the the real-time data that he gets every day from working out there and those are the those are the areas he's identified as the most immediate need. Um, we did massav and we did massav through a a
contract with a with a contractor which when we can do it in house we've proven with like rolling acres that there is substantial savings to doing in house. >> Unfortunately a road like Massav, it's very hard for us to do. So there is no
updated cost analysis for what we're going to do moving into the future. But one of the things that I've discussed multiple times, and this is why I'm in favor of the new equipment purchase, is that as we can, let's focus on the areas of need
and doing them in-house as much as possible. So it's so we can lessen the burden on the district takers. Do we have a number to that? No. I would personally like to see an amount that we allocate on an annual basis to doing
these things. We currently allocate what? 40,000 a year >> to 450 or 40 >> So we've currently in our budget we allocate $50,000 a year for main replacement. It doesn't get as far when
we're hiring contractors that would barely cover the engineering. But when we can do it in house, it's at a significant savings. And you know, as we find these areas, this is the only way I can see that's cost effective for us to
move forward to do this cuz to to try to do it all at once is going to be a large undertaking and much. >> So that I think that I don't know if it helps, but that's kind of our current plan the district has. And correct me if
I'm wrong, how we're going to address the aging infrastructure. Did Did I'm sorry the did the 50,000 in covering like rolling acres just to give us an idea that came out. >> It took a couple years to save up for it. >> So it's was a couple hundred thousand or
we did the whole breakdown at 160. >> Yeah, I know you. Yeah, I think it was about 160. Okay. So, right. Significant savings versus whatever over 2 million or whatever. >> Yeah, we we figured we would have save we saved 500,000. So the the idea is
there is money being spent on upgrading the infrastructure that is already in our budget. >> I would like to see that increase so that yes look I I can understand a resident's uh concern that oh we 15 $15
more now or it could be 16 next month and then another 20 and then I would like to avoid that as well. So I would rather just see a a us increase eventually we may need to increase the what we put into the budget for that >> and and agree
>> hopes is hopes that we can to can do that and >> it's to to me it's a it's almost an impossible undertaking to just try to do it all at once. It's it's going to be way too much of a burden. We we applied this before >> unless we get grants >> before the PAS we applied for SRF
funding to see to do some very important some big loops increase main sizes and uh you know you don't really get anything unless it's tied to a treatment plan. >> Yep. Okay. What's is is duct the line gone down or up? Do you know or
>> it's kind of holding steady? So usually on the pipe lifespan of a pipe they always say the AC transite pipe is 50 years typical ductal line and cast iron is 100 years and they say with the zinc coating which we use now it's 200 years
>> I don't know how true that is see >> but all a lot of it's tied to the corrosive soil >> you know the soil like a ductal line pipe it's cement line so there's no corrosion from the water inside that affects the quality of the pipe corrosion's all from the outside so I
was at a class this probably 10 years ago and the class was a Dr. Lion class and it was like you either wrap the pipe with plastic or you you get the zinc coated zinc code is the way. >> So if I if I could ask you a question
because you're out there and you see it more when we talk about the aging infrastructure and you're on some of these breaks. Does the condition of the pipe, other than obviously it broke, concern you in some of these, do you
feel that we still have some life left in in in some of the pipes that have even aged beyond what their expect? >> A lot of them are really good. I mean, all mass 8 in AC Transite pipe other than uh other than what we just replaced
down at the Massav the fire of the Massav. The rest of it's all the old original 1939. >> Uh but when you we we do have main brakes down near Mackey's on the transite AC pipe. >> Mhm.
>> And uh usually that's a system surge that blows that apart. >> Mhm. >> And when you dig it up and repair it, the pipe the pipe's perfect inside. The outside's usually okay. Usually when that pipe starts to fail, uh usually
it's in the wet areas and you can actually wipe it off with your hand. It's it's like soft concrete. You just smear it off. >> So in most cases, >> so >> it's pretty good >> with what you're seeing. We are okay.
There's no okay, but >> we're doing the pipe is doing well beyond it expect its expected life lifetime. So this is I've heard this before. So this is why I as a commissioner I'm happy
with uh how we are attacking the aging infrastructure and the plan that we have and and shy of I don't know what that plan cost in 2011 to have an engineer. >> It was a grant. So unless we had another
grant, I am fully confident in in how the superintendent is moving forward with capital. >> Everything we do is is on that improvement plan and they're all at the top, >> right? >> And the only way that I do it is more of like
>> how many main breaks, you know, hey, we're here. We were just here, you know, 3 months ago. Then it's like, all right, it that's it time frame. So >> yeah, you had in that you had, you know, number of breaks or whatever at that point in time, so you knew which ones were, you know, I guess were going to
fail sooner than later. It was a good report. That's why that's why I looked at it and but I was I was a bit concerned and I feel better now that so much of it, you know, useful life expired in 1990, but in fact, >> you know, in reality, you're looking at it when they do birth or whatever and it's still in pretty good shape.
>> Yeah, it it is a concern, but we we're aware of it. we have a plan in place that uh you know that France come up with that we're we're working on and I'm I'm conf com comfortable and confident that that's a good direction to go. I I don't see a reason behind doing another capital plan for something that there's
you know they could tell us the same stuff we already know just put a bigger price tag on it. >> So >> yeah, because it did have the cost increases if you did 10 years old. So all that would change. >> We do have that if you put some of those in. I believe there's new software that
we are using that actually we could put costs into >> the um I'm trying to blank >> the water >> the water yes that is something that I've sent to them and I think they try to >> so we we have a software that allows us to put the projects in and it tells us
>> today's dollars it tells us as we progress out how much it's going to cost us five years from now 10 years from now so I mean they're definitely working on capital in the future and and and you know taking care of the infrastructure that we currently have.
>> I have one one last question. Sorry. >> No problem. >> So many of the treatment plants that have been put in place recently, Littleton Townsen one they're working on at Grafton uh Westworthy, they're all targeting 20 parts per trillion. That's the number
because that's the current number of the state. Even one some that they just broke around in November are still targeting 20 parts per trillion. We're talking about much less than that at four parts per trillion, right? Um, has the state given you any indication
of when they may change those numbers from the current state, the mass requirement of 25 per train? >> I believe it had to be sooner than two years. So, I would imagine they're working on it right now. >> Okay. All right. But no, there's nothing
definitive. So, okay. That's That's really I was trying to get an understanding. You know, I know you talk to them. I never do. I know you talk to them and you know, yeah, that's coming soon or whatever. I just didn't know if there was any indication. >> Yeah. A lot of it's even even they question, but you know, when I ask them
a specific question, they're like, well, we're not so sure. This group does that, you know. So, I mean, it's such a huge organization. So, I'm not sure who's actually doing that section of it. uh just mostly on this Sunday too. I think
they're working on it. It should be soon. I actually just got a pretty fast update yesterday. I think it was two days ago and it was something about uh the regulation. I think that that they were working on the EPA meeting the EPA regulation something on
the NHS. >> John, when you were saying that that those plants were targeting the 20 parts per trillion >> to get funding. >> No, the design Yes. All everybody had everybody had wells that were well over 20 bucks per trillion and that's what they were
>> getting the funding >> for a plant that I mean you know to be fair these plants will do much less than 20 bucks per trillion it's how often you change the media right that's that's >> so they're measuring they're measuring to zero right
>> yeah all the treatment plants the target that's where I was kind of confused you mean the treatment plants when they're running through POS and removing the POS they're target isn't to get to 20, it's to get to zero. >> Yes, >> they have built a plant to be able to get below the 20 part per trillion mass state requirement.
>> Right. But I believe >> those plants will get below, >> you know, they will get to zero when the media is new. The media builds up, right? You shut it off where it's at four parts per trillion or you shut it off when
it's at 20 parts per trillion. Got >> Yeah. So anyways, that's that's exactly >> good. >> Any Thank you. >> Anything else? Any other public comment? >> Uh John, I'd be looking for a motion to
adjourn where we will reconvene for an executive session after we clear. >> I make a motion >> to move >> and move executive session after we kick everybody. >> Okay.
Wait, unfortunately.