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Okay. >> All right. This is uh Lunenburgg Water District Commissioners meeting uh June 24th, 2026. We'll start with the pledge of allegiance. I >> pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Review and sign warrants which we did. We had minutes of June 10th. Did you you said that there was a a modification

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that you made? Is that something I >> just added that one? >> Okay. Anything where was >> um about about litigation? Yeah. Okay. >> All right. So, I would accept a motion to approve the minutes of June 10th.

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No, I mean we attempted. >> Okay. All those in favor. >> I I should actually sign. >> What do we got next? >> Discuss and vote changes to billing software >> again.

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>> So, I'll start. So, we had a big meeting with them, you know, after our meeting because we weren't feeling that we were getting anywhere. So, we had another meeting with them and uh they made us a lot more comfortable. They they stepped up and they said, "Oh, no. Well, sure. Everything's all set, ready to go

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because we do want to switch that their billing program." And we and our talk with them was, "Well, let's just delay it." >> Yeah. >> And then if we delay it, then the accounting which starts July 1st is a new budget cycle. So, we definitely want to start July 1st. So, then it was like, if we delay it now, it's going to be

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more work, more difficult. and it seemed more unrealistic to to wait. So then we started talking and then it was like all right we we think we can we can you know with the agreement we can get this to work. So that's kind of how we left it. >> So we'd like to continue with the

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accounting cuz the fiscal year is July 1st. So it would be cleaner easier accounting because they almost have two parts to it. You don't have to do all of it at once. So this way it'll be clean July 1st, easier for our auditor start from there. So we'd like to implement

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that July 1st. And then we had an original date of the October 1 bills going out with them. And that's where I was like, we have so many questions because even though the bills go out October 1st, we technically needed that program up

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and ready by August to get the kinks worked out because we read meters in September for the bills to actually be in hand to people for October 1st. So, it started to get to the point where it's like we got way too many unanswered questions. And then that's when they

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were like, all right, let's still do the accounting good to go. Let's get everything figured out if we can do the October 1 bills. If not, it great. If not, January 1st. >> Okay. There are two things there. Accounting and bills. >> Yes. >> So, you you you look at this as two

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Well, now look at it. They're two separate functions >> pretty much. Yes. The accounting part, the the revenue in and out, paying bills, payroll, that kind of stuff. >> Oh, you're paying bill. Yeah. >> Yes. us pay the warrants like our warrants um our payables our receivables and then the other side is the software

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that um sends the bills the water bills out to everybody. >> So currently I think right now you're using QuickBooks and whatever you're using to send the bills out integrates with QuickBooks >> or how none of it does >> none of it does. So none of it so you have to do a bunch of separate

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accounting. So the idea is to merge it would be like your billing software for the residents >> actually did merge with QuickBooks then that would be an amazing thing. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Okay. >> But it won't. So that's why we had looked at this program and we were fully ready for the accounting. But I was

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there so many little things were left unanswered and that's why we were like okay. And we should have waited to have that Zoom before the last meeting when we asked you guys to say no because we then a couple days later had a Zoom with everybody at Vadar

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hashed everything out and we were like all right we were a little bit too hasty to sit there and say you guys can't do it because they can >> it's just going to take a little bit longer. So really it's just a motion to resend the last vote >> um from the last meeting about

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cancelling >> okay >> changing the cancelling the billing software. Now, will this lock you into the same company in October >> or can you still go off in >> We can always at any point we can always say no to these people up until the day that we want to. We can always say no

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and it's would be really harsh because they've put a lot of time into it. But >> you think they can get the bugs or not the bugs but meet your needs in October? >> I do. Um, but even if they can't in October, >> to me, I told them I am only doing

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billing with you guys when I am 100% confident. >> Okay. >> So, that may not be October. That may be January. But either way, we're still shooting for October. >> Yes. We're still going to keep moving forward. So, we still want to have this company. So, it basically we we were a little hasty at the last meeting for you

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guys to vote to change it. >> Right. >> So, >> so what what is it? A vote to resend. A motion to resend. The only concern that I have about it is I know that there was an issue and I know these are probably completely different sets of software that sewer was having issue when they

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switched over that their bills were going out completely inaccurate. >> So making sure I I would like to really make sure that this process is completely vetted before we send out because I've I've done some software.

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I'm sure we've all run into it. You think something's right and then all of a sudden you push the button. Yeah. And everybody's getting misinformation. >> That is I've learned a lot over these past couple months more so about

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what I need so that I'm a able to express that to this company because it was like, oh, here we do all this kind of stuff. And it was like, okay, great. And then once it gets to those little things, I'm like, well, you know, there's a certain report that Fran has to have every year to do his D report.

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And I'm like, you this is a have to. You I don't know if you have it right now, but you will have to create this report. And they're like, yep, no problem. So, as time goes on and we talk all those things, there's yes, we can work on it. And then there's the list of well I'm not I'm not doing it until it's good and

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ready cuz I I don't want the headaches and I do not want that for our >> res. I would just suggest dry runs on stuff to make make sure that it's going to be accurate. >> Sure. >> Because when stuff isn't accurate >> I've had to rebuild data files and I mean I'm sure again I'm sure everybody's

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run into some of this that this sort of stuff and when you run into a glitch Yeah. that we're already busy enough >> that you don't need a glitch that then sucks the rest of, you know, not the rest of your time, all your time so that nothing that you're supposed to be doing gets done. >> Yeah.

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>> So, make sure you're really talking to them before you switch over. Do everything as much as you can the old way. If you need to, I would suggest >> simultaneously. >> We kind of Yeah. So that's kind of why I'm not because originally it was like

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this hard push for October 1st and now I feel more confident in saying you guys need to show this to me that you can prove this can be ready for that and if I like you said if I have any doubts nope we're going to wait till the next quarter and I don't have a problem with that like >> okay

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>> we're still moving along and bills are smooth so >> sounds good. >> Yes I think that I think exactly what you were asking Mr. is we need to probably motion to um resend whatever what did we have at the last meeting?

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>> Yeah. Was that um >> was a cessation of uh this company what was called >> survey clerk superintendent new billing software requested to board to resend the change. So I guess what we

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would need is a motion to resend the resend of of June 10th >> and of June 10th billing. >> And that doesn't change. We already have all of the money and stuff in place to still move forward.

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>> Um so moved. >> There you go. Yeah. So the motion is to resend the uh the the resend or resend of the beta and continue on >> with uh with the beta uh upgrade software.

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Can I ask a question? >> Yes. Uh sir, and your name is >> um can't you run them in tandem? >> Yeah. Yeah, we'll be able to >> That's what I mentioned to her is that

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she should initially run them simultaneously >> and make sure that everything matches up, >> right? >> So, we could do that for like the October 1st one. send send them out still through NDS but do a dry run through betar to see if and that might that would pull

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>> and then if everything everything matches up then you know that you're you know >> they have to think about that >> you don't double bill anybody >> no >> no >> I I think we send a var and then >> use the NDS to confirm those accuracy >> we could do that

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>> that way we can send out the new login so we can set up all the stuff moving >> can you do a subset of the of the whole population or not >> subset of. >> So I mean do the street or know just pick from the all the accounts and water

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users pick you know a dozen. >> Can you split it out like that or isn't that possible? >> I assume they give a print out of every bill that they they were going to print. >> Yeah. >> And then we could just >> or pull them up and >> just double check to look at what they would send if they did. Yes.

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>> Yeah. To make sure all the block rates and everything are matching and Yep. Okay. So, all those in favor or any more discussion, sir? >> Mr. John Q public, any more discussions?

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>> No, I uh I just uh when I was with David General, the computer company, we we did this all the time. You run them in sync. >> Yeah. >> And anytime you can stop it and check them and and >> that's your check and balances.

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For instance, you could do uh one scenario and have the the company do another scenario and just check them out. >> Okay. >> I mean, they they should be able to tell you how to do this cuz I agree with you. If if

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it's not done right, you are screwed. >> Yep. >> Okay. So, with a motion to resend the resend, all those in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> Review bids and authorized purchase of materials needed for Meadow Lane. >> Okay. So, I want to I put out for uh

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five uh quotes uh bids from the material. I broke up into two two sections. I did the pipe as one quote and all the other material, the bows, T's and hydrates as as a second quote. The only issue with what I asked for was hydrants. Not every supplier can get the

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hydrant that we want. So, I I told them I said, "Bid a hydrant." And I said, "I'm gonna pull the hydrants out of there." And uh we'll buy everything but the hydrant because I could buy the hydrant from our guy no matter what anyway, which he bid, too. >> So, uh anyway, so that's that's what I

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went to. So, anyway, the pricing uh I think I told you in the past, Dr. Line pricing was like $54 a foot. The pricing for the plastic, the lowest bidder was $15.18 per foot. So this almost $40 cheaper per

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foot. >> And the idea is that we're going to do this as kind of a a test run. >> Test see how PVC works. >> Yep. >> We can check and make sure that all of our >> connections and everything work. >> Wow. >> All right. So we did the pipe and like I

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said, I the material. So I did uh stainless steel saddles and the corporation will get tapped every house service with stainless steel. It'll never corrode. Plastic will never corrode. So I think uh some longterm, you know, I think it's usually I've always been a duct line in person, but

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where we had failures with corros from the outside in the inside's fine. Uh like I said, the there's a month that we dug up the water man road which was PVC was like we put in yesterday was put in 1981. So uh like maybe maybe we should give this a try. So that's that's the

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whole thing. If we could save $40,000, we'll probably do two streets for the cost of doing one, then uh I think it's a good idea. So anyway, so the material is everything included for the taps, the corporations,

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uh curb stops, everything. So uh so I got all the pricing here. So maybe you guys can make a motion. So, I got the cheapest for the pipe was uh EJ Prescuit. Put these together.

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>> I tried to keep them all in the same um wasn't it Ferguson for material or web? >> Uh you dare trust it >> for pipe. >> For the pipe. >> Mhm. There's the P. So that if we could get a motion to approve that for the

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perks of the pipe 19,000. >> It begs the question, why would people pay three times as much for this duckland pipe? >> Not sure. I mean, duct line's very strong. >> Duct line's been the standard for

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>> Yeah, but PVC's been out a long time, too. But it's yeah, they both have different like >> that's what I'm asking. >> So like like if if someone slims a hybrid clothes, which happens pretty frequently.

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>> The ductal line is more likely to hold up to it than the plastic. So plastic rating is 235 PSI, which is very good. But the ductal line has a burst pressure probably 6 or 800 PSI. So that that one's going to hold up much longer

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assuming it's not getting corroded from the outside. >> So the strength the direct tap less fittings. >> Do you ever get a a a reading on what a spike normally is is is

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>> typ typically not when I when I've seen the spike. So we have I call it a tattletail gauge. It's got a red needle on it. So if the pressure is on say it's 100 pounds of pressure and I stick it on a hydrant, usually the needle's pinned. So it's over 200. So So what's a People

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think, well, what's 100 pounds? What's 100 pounds per square inch? How many square inches in a 12 inch pipe? >> You probably just raised the pressure 20,000 lbs in the in that pipe. You test every fitting every You tested everything >> and it blows everything up. >> It lifts airplanes.

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>> And the in the You said the pipe on Northfield Road been in since 1981. >> Yes. And since 1981, do you know of any breaks or repairs? >> Zero. >> Okay. But we've had them >> never on a PVC.

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>> We've had them in that area on the ductal. >> Yes. So that exactly what happened. No, it was the transite pipe. >> Trans. Yes. That's a >> They closed the 8 in butterfly valve which was put in when they did the PVC line. So that valve broke closed. So

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that's a way to dig it up and cut the plastic and it was tied to duct line. So then you perfect example plastic duct line both same vintage pipe 1980s and you can see the duct line is all corroded and the beat up the shells get the rust off. So you could you can

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really see a difference. Then when we cut the pipe duct line because it's cement lines you don't get any tuberculation inside like you the old days with the cast iron. And the plastic was perfect. It was it was nice. So that's another benefit of the plastic,

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the friction loss because it's such a smooth it's called C se C factor. So it's so smooth that you actually get more flow through 8 in PVC than you will through 8 in duct line because duct line's rougher inside more friction. >> So duct line corrods inside. >> Uh no it doesn't. But it's just not

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smooth. It's more rough like like plastic is smooth as paper. Duct line's more like like your water junk. So it's just it's got little bumps and stuff but it's because it's asphalt. So it's on like a smooth. >> Now originally with the the ductal it was a 100redyear lifespan, right? But

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then when you did the zinc coated they claimed to get 200 whereas PVC typically has like 100. >> No, I don't I don't even >> Oh I didn't know if that was that was originally why you were talking about the the zinc coated was to have the the longer lifespan, but

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>> I I don't remember you talking about it since when I first started here, but I've seen it and you seem to be talking about it more. the corrosion from the outside than you ever did back in the day. So, >> yes, because no one no one was aware of it. Yeah, I don't see the corrosion. We

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have plenty of cast iron. You don't you don't see them on cast iron. So, I'm not sure >> Yeah. >> what what's on ductal line that makes it more likely more corrosive because it is just remanufactured that

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>> is is PVC on the transmission lines. They seal it the same way they do making other PVC parts. just with uh glue or epoxy or >> this is pushing on rubber joint. So it's just like ductal line. So ductal line you actually have to put the rubber inside

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>> and then you and it's a you you tighten it with a >> no just just you you put the rubber inside but you make sure everything's clean. You stick the rubber inside you put a lubricant on it and then you lubricate the other side and just push it together. Done. >> And the rubber seals it. Yeah. >> Yep. When it pushes in it's tight. And

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then the only downside is that uh everything when when I was talking about the the pressure increase, >> everything's held the dirt holds everything together. So when you when you take a turn or you go to tea or something, you you put on a thrust block. So you're putting a hunk of cement or rock or something to original

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ground to hold all those rubber joints together because they can just push apart. >> Yeah. >> So you put that together. So when when there is a slam system hammer, >> everything gets that stress, you know. So, so if something isn't, which might be fine under regular pressure, but you get that little slam, it moved it

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enough, blew a joint prop, which I've seen a couple times, mostly on >> I run into that on some irrigation. You get a dead end line and you get a slam on it and it pushes the line and the and the the joints separate. >> The joints separate this way or they blow up. >> No, they just separate because you're

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you're you're given that shock and it's and it's moving the pipe >> because it stops it. It hits the end of the pipe and when it hits the end of the pipe, if the end of the pipe doesn't give, then somewhere down the line, it gives and pushes it out.

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>> And and a water hammer goes till it gets to the tank. So if you did a water on this side of town, you slam this hide and boom, the water handle went down there and that pulse goes all the way down this street. You know, it didn't get any creek until it gets tank until it gets Yeah, it's finding a way.

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I don't want to extend this but because are there any pressure releases for that but they have these anti- hammers things >> so pressure relief valves on the fire trucks uh you could put a pressure relief valve on they don't work >> well if you don't if you don't set them they don't work

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>> so setting those but there's still >> there's no there's as much continuity as you can have from department to department some people still use ball valves which is a quick way to shut the water It's illegal. >> If you're not going through the truck, you know, then and you and you have a

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ball valve on it, then it's it's a point. So, uh, you know, we train all the time at the at the fire department. >> Still, it's, you know, it's always it's that urgency when you get there >> and, uh, and things happen.

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>> So, but we do like like at the Kings, >> there's a pressure relief valve. So if someone did a a slam in that area >> that >> it would it would dump out the side of the building. It would absorb that pressure. >> So we had talked in the past because a lot of we have a lot of main brakes and

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fire protection systems in the commercial buildings. >> So the mentality >> is to get water on that fire as quick as you can. That's it's fireman's mentality. My my mentality is get it there >> as quick as you can but as slowly as you can because if you get it there too

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quick you just blow up the water and you have no more water. So that's my thing. So we were having uh fire protection system blowing up the water man and uh so I I had mentioned and spoke to chief a little bit. I said can we make it put a requirement as a pressure relief valve

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is needed to be part of that system >> and which is a great idea but then you get flippity the cost you put more cost on the people where if it's voluntary they that they don't really have to do it if they have to do it then but they have to do it. But I mean kind of want

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to make it so even if they don't they they do it just as a you know precaution good thing to do. So if you start making it so cost prohibitive that no one's >> so the but so the hammer like like you're saying it's throughout the whole system it's like one one one fluid system. How many I mean how many

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pressure relief valves would you need? For example, the one in Keing, uh, if if that gets slammed, it seems that whole section for as far as that I can think of would that would relieve that. >> Well, well, where that's so far away

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that that surgeon had to go six miles to get there. So that so I think >> does it depend where the hammer starts? >> Yeah, you close to where the hammer is. But it's kind of impossible. >> It the intricacies of the system sometimes because I think we talked

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about it one time when a hydrant was used but you had a breakdown on West Acres or something and it's because it's draining out of that system but now when you're closing down and everything's filling back up. So there there's a there's a lot of science to it.

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So for example, the the new restaurant going in on Massav Key where it >> whenever they test their system usually break main break on Pleasant Street. Question. We just had a main break on Tilt Nav on Friday last Friday. Kind of wonder if they did some testing there

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because it blew a hole out of the out of out of the pipe. >> So and then the one that the worst one was uh the Paging Gleas on 100 Pleasant Street. >> Yeah. And every time they tested, blew up the main. So the fire department was there for them to do a test to show this

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the system worked correctly. And uh they did the test blew up the main way road and uh one of the fire >> how far away was that's >> it's probably a mile and a half away. >> Yeah. >> So then uh one of the guys on the fire department used to work for us. He's like, "Hey, could be coincidental, but

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who knows?" So he says, "We're going back there next Thursday to do another test." I'm like, "Can I can I come with you?" He said, "Yeah, sure." So, I went out. I stuck a tattletail gauge on fire right out front and I think it was reading 120 pounds of pressure. It's pretty good pressure. They did their test and you could hear

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get crashed. I saw the needles go like this and then uh so it was 120 static before the test and it dropped to 50 >> and stayed there. He said, "Well, it's just your system recharging." I'm like, "No, it's not." So, we go out to the hydrant. Hydrant's reading 50 and you can see the tattletail gauge is very so

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it pinned it. to whatever it went to broken in on top of here. So, so sometimes it breaks instantly, but sometimes it just makes it so it's it's just hanging on. So, it could break >> night, two days later, 3 weeks later. >> And when you start, you know, yelling at

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us fire guys, those are fire engineers that designed those sprinkler systems, not firefighters. >> Arguing with the old fire engineers once. >> So, you needed a motion for a sprinkler. >> Yes. All right. I just have one one question. The sealing of it is I mean

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the PVC seal lasts forever. These seals you mentioned is a rubber seal that that's exposed to the water and the uh and the sand or dirt. >> Uh yes. Yep. So when you push it together it's it's it's like this thick. So the pipe squeezes it and it makes a watertight seal because we have to

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pressure test it to confirm. >> And uh so one side Yeah. I would say is exposed to the water side and one side's exposed to the >> So is that in potential failure mode though? I don't think so too. >> I mean, just like the duck line duck line the same way, huh? Okay. >> All right. >> So, just so you know, PVC, this is the

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low pressure PVC, 235 PSI. They do have a 305 PSI one. >> Metalane is 60 to 70 lb. So, I don't think we really need to go to the more higher pressure. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I need to approve uh $19,734

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for the purchase of uh PVC piping uh for metal lanes. >> Can can I I'm just wondering Fran, how many of these are we going to can we approve them with one fail scoop on a number to purchase the product? We have to do each one. >> So that was EJP. They won the quote for

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the pipe. I have uh Ferguson won the quote for the material. >> So now I'm going to ask you to make a motion to quote Fergus. >> Yep. I second that motion. All those in favor? All right. All right. So, you can buy you can buy pipe. Now, you got to get us through agree to buy materials.

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>> Uh, so the material the the the price is uh $21,40011, but that includes the hydrants. So, like I said, we took the hydrant. We're going to take the hydrants out. So, if we take the hydrants out,

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then we need a price $14,557.89. that one. >> Then you're going to Yeah. Then you're going to have to buy the hydro. >> Yes. >> I don't know if you want if we need to state it, but uh all funds coming out of the equipment main

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account, >> we you know how we move money to the equipment mains. I don't know if that needs to be a part of That that first number on the gate valve, is that the diameter? >> Uh 8 in. >> Yeah. >> Yep. Yep. Usually is 8 in. Yep. And I looked up all their specs. They're uh I

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usually question the saddles because we're 100% stainless on saddles. Their price for the saddles was so cheap that I didn't think it was stainless. Sent me the whole spec. It's a very nice saddle. So, uh and their price is a lot cheaper than everybody else.

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I mean that with including that is the 21,000 next price was 23 25 26 27. So that pricing is very very part okay you any more questions for Nope.

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and move that we approve $14,557.89 with purchase of the hardware to support the rain. >> What do we call project >> to come out replacement >> metane water lane replacement project >> to come out of

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>> equipment and main account? >> Yep. >> Webs. All those in the big they >> I'll second that I guess. And then all those in favor >> I now we need hydrants. >> Yep. So cuz I took the hydrants out of there >> and I figured that was the fairest way

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to everybody cuz >> hydro guys are coming. >> Excuse me. So it's about the same price though. >> Yeah. Yeah. Pretty close. >> Except that one those are a little higher. So the reason why we have uh the last job was M the different brands of

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Hydros our spec says M&H hydrants are cloud so that's all you can use aluminum the first part of the project was M&H hydrants a couple years ago we had a hydrant fail up on the top that's an M&H hydrant so I figured I just felt like it was right to do the whole place with the same

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>> Yep brand of hydrant so >> okay >> so that's >> um okay same same motion uh 7,000 move approve $7,300 for the purchase of two hydrants for the middle lane main

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>> from FW. Oh, I didn't mention the vendor on the other one. So, you know that. >> Yeah. >> Second that. >> All those in favor? >> I >> I want to buy anything else. >> That was pretty easy spending $45,000.

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>> Yeah. Well, think of the alternative. >> Save probably 500,000. Well, I mean, look at the first part with of rolling acres by us doing it. We what we figure we saved half a million dollars. So, this is going to be even even more. Y >> there's no choice in replacing the

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entire main, right? >> Uh well, in this case, we've had so many main bras that it's not like it's a certain spot. >> Yeah, you are. >> We're doing the whole street and then uh I've only had a main break. So, metal lane goes straight, then it goes up the hill up to lowers a little bit. So, we

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quite a few on Metal Lane, which is probably the worst pipe, but there's no sense changing this street until we get the new pipe to it. So, we're at right at Metal Lane. Anyway, so we did have a main break going up the hill only once. >> So, I figured if we go all the way up, replace the old piece of junk higher in the top, then we'll get up and replace

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every bad section that was in that area. We still have a piece of old man up there. >> But, uh, >> so what's the length of it? How long is it the main? Uh, so with this one's 1300 feet. I would say it's probably another thousand to do the do the whole >> half mile.

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>> We have a lot of half miles in. >> Yes, sir. You have a comment about our purchase of materials for >> Yeah. I I just wanted to make sure I'm correct when I say this. Um we get u a certain amount of money for

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the hybrids, right? >> Yes. >> Oh, from the fire. Yes. Yep. >> So, uh our books in in concert with the fire department's books. In other words, you know, we're not getting uh passed

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over. We're getting reimbursed. >> We're getting reimbured for hydra maintenance. >> Yeah. But it's normally doesn't cover I don't I would be willing to bet that you spend more on hydro maintenance than we charge for hydrant maintenance to the town. >> Well, it's not like we're adding new

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ones anyways. These are >> you know what I mean? >> I wouldn't say char >> are you making any money doing hydrant maintenance? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, but but we do get compensated for hydrant maintenance from the town. >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. And and what's the pro process or procedure for that? You you get in touch with there's an annual charge. >> It's a set fee fee annually to to >> set we just settle >> usually in June of every year. I send them the bill before the end of the fiscal year. >> Update them on the numbers and stuff so

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it doesn't fall. >> It doesn't change. It's just the same flat amount for the amount of hydrants we have. >> Yeah. But if you increase the number of hydrants >> Well, that's what I was saying is we're not increasing it with this project because there's already hydrants there. We're just putting new hydrants in place of those. It's the same amount of

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hydrants. >> Okay. >> So, nothing's changed for this project, but I don't think it's it. So, it's not like you charge $100 per hydrant and if we add a hundred, you know, add a hydrant, a new $100 charge comes on. It's just been a >> We used to charge $80 >> per hydrant >> 30 years ago.

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>> Yeah. So, now it's just >> it's just been a flat fee that we charge them every year. >> Okay. I I appreciate you letting me ask the questions because uh I I seem to remember having a real problem with the

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fire department. >> No, see, I'm not being a jerk about this, but they they they they turned the the hydrants on and gone. >> And if if that's if that's covered or do

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we have to pay it? I mean, it just You follow me? Yeah, I got you. >> Something I think in the future needs to be addressed. >> I guess that's my point. >> Need to move over. >> I guess we could we I guess it's definitely something that we could uh

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put on an action item for the future to discuss and make sure that it is um >> covered >> is is everything's covered. Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Thank you for the courtesy because that that can come up

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real dollars, not to mention the the other >> every everything costs every little thing, >> right? >> Yep. And that brings us to number five, discussion sale of water. >> Okay. So, you want to run with it? Uh,

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so we we ran numbers, we did all kinds of things. I mean, I did just basic stuff. >> How much does electricity cost for us? Chemical cost and uh did it for the whole system. I came up per per million gallons, it was $1,100 for a million gallons. That's what it cost us to pump

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it and treat it. And the when we build Zach, it was $10,000 a million. Almost 10,000. So we make we make >> So we're we're

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So we build 10,000 per million. >> 99. >> Yeah. It comes out just about to yeah 9 >> because he he's the largest he's the largest commercial um taker from >> sales directly

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>> I don't think he's >> oh yeah from from that method yes >> from that method but there are other large commercial users so >> yes there are other companies there he's the biggest so that was kind of the easiest one to sit there so you know you

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would you would ask kind of some of the numbers. So, I pulled it up since we've started selling water. Um, we've pulled it gotten just under half a million dollars and >> well, you go back to 2017, right?

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>> Yeah. 20. So, >> water since before I was super tenant. So, 90 early. >> Yeah. All I have is >> So, what was the revenue for last year? I guess either >> uh I didn't do I should have wrote down exact here, but I would say around 100,000. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. It's around 100,000 that we pull in each year for the >> So, it's good to It's pretty easy to say that if we sold $100,000 worth of water that we probably generated about 85 thou 85 to $86,000 worth of revenue. >> Yes. >> Yes.

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>> That's how many how much does a truck hold? >> Nine. No. >> So 100,000 10 per million. That's like only 10 truckloads or maybe 12 or something like that. >> I'd say it's probably 10 10 normal day. >> Yeah. A day.

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>> 10 truckloads a day. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz that's 90,000. >> Yeah. >> So how many? >> Oh 90,000. Okay. Not Yes. Okay. So it's it's 10 times that. Yeah. >> So if we made if we made 80,000 if we generated $80,000 worth of revenue last

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year in sales >> Mhm. Um, how many users do we have? >> 2500. >> So that's if uh that's about >> 450 each. >> Yeah. But it's it's basically $32 a year

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per user that that generates. So if we didn't have that sale, that would increase our rates because that water goes back into operational expenses >> under the budget. Yeah. I've said something.

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>> So then my next questions are um >> does this tax our system in any way? >> No. >> Like how we how much water we pump >> in the pumping scheme of things. It's nothing.

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>> Okay. But I guess rephrase it another way. Does does this sale of this extra water affect us with any of our D permits? Um, and do you think it would, if this

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was back into our system, have any recourse on any of the stuff we're talking about treatment wise with PAS and things of that nature? >> None. So on a DP permit, so DP has uh most of their focus on water restrictions is tied to residential use

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per capita. So each person has to be under 65 gallons per day per so for the whole person. So we have math calculation we figure it all out. Uh none of that restrictions ever tie to a business. So that's not part of any of the business stuff. So we say hey we're restrictions that that that should stop.

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Well that's not not true because it doesn't tie to business because the water that we use now is three to four times what it is during the winter period. So that's all outside wood use. Businesses typically other than ZAG

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businesses typically run pretty pretty consistent. >> So, so it doesn't really nothing with D affects it but as long as it's meed I have to account for it. >> Mhm. >> So every year like she was saying the report for the billing program I have to account for who and how people use.

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>> So uh residential business municipal churches everything has its own little spot and I need I need to to it up. So he's accounted for and that gets counted in a calculation for the year. So we're allowed a average

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amount of water pumping per year. So we're well below that. Sometimes we're right at it. Sometimes we tweak over a little bit, but uh usually it's because we have leaks and uh but anyway, so usually we're right underneath it. So everything he does does not affect any part of our permitting. And if there

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ever was a water shortage, so whatever we have for restrictions is not because I want restrictions. I I want to sell water. We make money by selling water. So, as we're kind of talking about, so when we have restrictions, it's because Massachusetts is saying you you have to

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implement restrictions. That's the only reason why we're doing it. Not cuz we need water because they they tell us it's part of a permit. I have to put that >> Well, they they do that and other communities do it as a the means for conservation. >> Yes. >> So, they're trying to meet that

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conservation need. It's not a a capability. >> Yes. Exactly. Yes. Okay. So, yeah. So, we have the capability to supply him like like I I've said plenty of times, if we were in a situation where we were having tough time meeting demand, he's the first one gone because he has

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connections to Fitchburg. He's got his own sources. So, uh he picked Morningberg as his first choice. So, to me on the side of things, I think I like it. I enjoy it. If we could take twice as much, I'd be all right. And the sales

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are generally when May and June. >> No, usually starts April and goes till almost October. >> But the beginning year is the the bulk and then backs off. You'll see maybe a couple trucks a day >> and then maybe at the end of the year people getting their new pools put in.

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So he starts filling those up. >> And that tends to be a few of the other I mean he's the big one but a few other ones other businesses like Gatsby does hydro seeding. Um, and that's typically your spring and your fall. Um, new lawns. >> I know another guy that buys a lot of

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water from the water. See him, but it's got a little tank, but he really fills it up a lot. >> This is about 10 million gallons approximately >> on that order based on the number you did. So that's

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in the middle of June and July. >> Yeah, I think that's what I wrote annually. I I figured between 7 and N million. >> Yeah. >> For the sale of water pulls in average 80 to 100,000 per year. >> And early in the year, you probably never see an issue with that.

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>> I don't see an issue in the middle of July. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> That's good to hear. >> So, what's um I'm kind of looking for your your thoughts on this whole process. I have my my own opinion on it, but I'm just curious. facts are simple. If uh

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>> if there's not a capacity problem, >> um the uh restrictions put on residents or governed by you say by the state, not by the the water district. Right. >> Correct. >> And so the argument, oh, I can't I don't know, water my grass, whatever. But

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look, they're selling water to somebody else. That's not Lunberg Water District's concern. It's it's the state's um edict and that doesn't translate to a constraint on selling water. I assume >> correct business. Yep.

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>> So if if there's no issue with capacity and availability of water for the residents, I don't let's take the money. >> I like it. So my my next question is I think Fran um has been approached about doing an article >> um >> newspaper

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>> that of a reporter from the ledger has requested um uh sit down regarding the sale of water like he he the reporter said that they've been receiving people that want to see this or you know they

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want to see an article like this. Um >> but he also mentioned when he called that um I had said that this was on the agenda. >> Yep. >> So he said I'll watch couldn't make it but I'll watch the meeting and then follow up with him. He said from what he had told me when he called I had just

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taken a message um was not looking to do anything major lengthy but n people were just looking for something. So hopefully this will give him >> I I listen to your eloquent words Mr. because you do you carry yourself very you carry yourself very well and

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>> I'm wondering if you would agree >> with Fran kind of conveying these same types of thoughts or that the board kind of has this this position on it cuz if if I'm in the if I'm in the business of

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of buying something for what I do for a living and there's been some kind of controversy over it I I would I would want to know that, you know, I'm I'm secure in what I'm doing and I would

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think we'd want that person to be secure because with the revenue that's brought into the district really significantly helps the district. Um, you know, maybe have Fran do that and and then have some sort of an article that conveys our sentiments.

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>> Yeah. I um again if it doesn't affect the if it does not affect the uh water takers um it it doesn't bother but talking about digging in a little deeper on this I'm a very quantitative person

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>> Mhm. um and just to say if we if we have problem with water capacity or whatever we won't sell it that I would want to have quantified if you're going now whenever you write something down >> uh you should it it always takes a

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little more thought because you're now on record and you you're you start collecting your thoughts you want to make sure you're accurate and so if you could come up with a metric for uh that tells you shut it off um with a lot of leeway

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with a lot of leeway then that would make me happier and I I think it would also show show a little bit more depth in the consideration of what is a dangerous or not I would say dangerous but what's a low water level. So if there's some metric that you could come up with that that turns it off that

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would even make me happier. >> I could see if I could >> and it's not turn the spot on. I think see if I could come up with some kind of scenario where we what we're >> recharging rates or something like that. >> Yeah. See if I can think of something.

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>> And if you can compare it to a historical um >> Well, historically, I don't think you've ever had to deny, have you? >> No, I don't I don't think so. He's the last few years he's he's really stepped up his >> Yeah. >> polling. So, yeah. All the more reason

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that we should quantify it in some way. >> Yeah. Yeah. So >> that you know if if an emergency situation arises that that uh this will be that but we >> define and define that emergency. That's what I'm saying, >> right? But you you understand what I'm saying that this is this this business's

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livelihood. They want to make sure that they're kind of secure in what they're doing here. And we really for us it's a revenue resource. We don't want to give up that revenue resource. So if he if they feel unstable, they're going to look for other sources and then we could be out this revenue, which it would then

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mean we're going to be looking at a rate increase to the for the consumers to fill that hole. >> So I'm interested in what what are people saying that the ledger would would be >> this isn't the first time this subject has come up, >> but where

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>> and we've always we've we've had it we've had it Yeah, sorry. We've had that in our we've had that uh we've had this discussion probably a few times since I've been a commissioner and it's it always comes to the same thing and and people take the

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conservation along with the fact that they watch that somebody else is >> oh so there's a conservation argument that comes in exactly what you said why can't I water my lawn >> when on s you know when I see trucks pulling >> that I'm hearing an a valid argument

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that you you you have no control over those kinds of restrictions or we have no control. >> But that's what that's the you were saying, where is this coming from? That's the social media aspect of people saying, "Well, you're posting Lunberg Water District's posting something saying we're in a drought and these are

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the things that we can't do >> yet you're going to sell water to a pool." And that's where >> said, "Let's let's try to clarify that for people that are very very different." >> I understand that, but you mentioned the conservation art. People are saying that it's a conservation issue.

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>> No, no, not them. It's they they they have restrictions and they're like, "Well, why do I have restrictions?" >> Oh, they're own individual conservation. Fran had showed me in our bylaws. It talks about um conservation efforts and

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what doesn't apply and for businesses. So yeah, we had it in our bylaw here >> and that is D's >> restricted non-essential outdoor water uses, irrigation of lawns via automatic irrigation or sprinklers, filling of swimming pools, uh washing of vehicles

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except for commercial car washer necessary for safety, washing exterior building surfaces. So these this they're considering that non-essential, but uses allowed for mandatory uses allowed when mandatory restrictions are in place. irrigation to establish a new lawn, new

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plantings uh during the month May to September. Irrigation of public parks, recreation, irrigation of gardens, flowers, ornamentals, >> uh irrigation of lawn and commercial. Yeah. >> And then commercial. >> Just looking at this now, where is this? Is this on the website?

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>> Yep. Our bylaws are on there. >> Rules and regulations. >> Oh, sorry. Rules and regulations. I just wonder along the lines what we're talking about if you could put that I'll call it a disclaimer uh up front uh from the mass D regulation because up here it says Lunenberg water district so the

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water districts so I understand the interpretation of of the people the water uses oh the water is saying you can't do this but there's so I understand that but to the point that you were making to preface this with with a bit of a disclaimer I don't know what else to call it these are the rules

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of mass which made us put that. >> Well, okay. That's what I'm saying. Say it here so the residents can read. >> I think it is. That was just one page that was out. So that I want to say last year before you were on the board, you had approached the board and said, "Mast

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D is making us put this whole section in here." So that was just one page of it. But if you look at the full rules and regs, I want to say >> it might reference >> it might reference mast. I'll double check, but I'm pretty sure we literally when they voted it was we can't change this wording because this is exactly

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what D says has to be in our rules and regs. But I will double check. >> But my point is the issue on the table are residents being confused by the two. And if that's the issue, it should be highlighted in in more so in a more of a obvious way, boldface type, what have

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you that let's reread the whole thing and maybe Yeah, I just took that one page out. So I'll I'll double check that >> again not in again to address this particular issue if if it's in the middle of a paragraph someplace nobody's going to read that but if if it's upfront

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>> yeah put them put something by first line as mandated by mass D water management act permit >> the area that I didn't read the water use is not subject to mandatory restrictions so for health or safety reasons by regulation production of food or fiber for maintenance of livestock or

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this is this is where it covers to meet the core function of a business >> and that's that's where that is. >> What's fiber? >> I I don't know. I you're a little older than me. You might know more about fiber than I do. I know that I have to look

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into it, but >> so just something to to clarify it again and and you know, >> yes. >> I don't I don't see a negative reason to to the sale of water outside the district. >> So, yes. So we have the sale of water.

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>> Yeah, I'll take I have my notes here that'll >> Yeah, >> that's your action item. >> I don't think he likes you, Dave. >> I know. I don't don't like the is in reference to the the topic we're on, sir. >> Yes.

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>> Okay. What do you got? >> Well, I don't know what I got, but you just made a statement that >> I know and I corrected myself. the sale of water outside the sale of water outside the district are two different things because pretty much every commercial use of water can be considered for something sold outside

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the district. You can look at it in many different ways. He does fill pools outside the district. >> My brother waters all of his shrubs and plants and he sells them to people in Lemonster, Fitsburg and all over the place outside the district. I get my cup of coffee at the Dunkin Donuts and where do I bring it? I go to Lemonster with

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it. So there is all sorts of >> It's great. Yes. But there's all sorts of areas where water is purchased inside the district and then brought outside the district. >> Yeah. Well, you know, >> and then without having a negative

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impact on the on our operation, on our facilities, on our infrastructure, on on treatment, I don't see a reason why this is a a um something that we need to reduce on

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because it it's a benefit to the district financially. >> I think it's such a good thing. I think we talked about it way too long. To me, we're making money. Lots of subjects we talk about too much. >> You guys got 5 minutes. Let's finish this meeting. >> Hey, thank you for letting me give you

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two cents worth. But you know, when the [ __ ] hits the fan, you'll you'll be speaking out of the other side of your mouth. >> Okay. So, we cross that one off >> and we go to number six. Clarification of zone one easement wording.

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Speaking of topics that we spent too much time talking about, it is with great reluctance that uh I bring this up, but I I feel that I have to. At the last meeting when

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we talked about um the uh zone one restrictions, um we talked about the I don't know if I have it here, the lease, >> the easement, you mean? Yeah, the easement. What what is that called? Easement agreement. Easement or

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whatever. Just an easement. >> It's a legal binding document. It's an ement. >> Yeah. Anyway, what we talked about uh for the essentially the whole discussion on that is there shall be no building or other structures of any kind

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constructed, reconstructed, erected or moved on the eman. That was the whole premise of that of that uh argument against um a a request for variance. In fact, the motion that was made, it was

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made based on the uh assumption that this statement precludes uh or supersedes anything that DP would say on a variance or what even the application for a variance. And my bad, I when when

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I saw this, I didn't read it thoroughly and then I went down to the end here and I put in boldface type um that the premise for that for that motion actually is false. So let me read

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it and then the the operative word is accept where otherwise I shall be specifically permitted in writing by the grantee which is this group or the board or its lawful successor assigning okay acting

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jointly with any other public authority charged with regulating public water supplies and that's mass D. So um this this statement says that we that it does not preclude uh DP from offering a

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variance waiver nor does it preclude us from requesting one. Um it in fact supports that process and that's what was missing. So my point here oh here yeah this is the document. Um my point here is the motion to move it to legal

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which you know is my my sword point uh at whatever hourly rate they charge um was based on an error in reading this this um clause on the uh on the easement. So

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by saying it this this statement on the easement precludes us therefore I move we move it to legal uh the premise is not right if so we have some options here in my mind uh and in fact I I know that our

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chairman isn't here and uh so I I don't think that we could take any action on this. I prefer not without him because I know he felt pretty strongly about this. Um, but let me ask, have we have we engaged any any billable hours yet from the attorney

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on this topic? >> I assume a little bit cuz he's writing writing in the letter. >> Well, I I'm assume we have I'd have to go back to figure out exactly how much goes I'm Yes, we have definitely assumed fees from the lawyer

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>> for what we've been dealing for a year and a half. >> This So, this makes what? Wait, sorry. Let me go. >> Yes, there have been some fees. I don't know what but that's past fees of them just going back and forth. I have not gotten a bill. He's been working on this

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document and I he we've we haven't gotten the document from him yet. So, I don't know how many hours. >> So, the attorneys over at Woodland sent something to D. Have our attorneys done anything with respect to that? >> No, because we did not want to pay.

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>> I think there I think they were involved in some communication. So, I would have to go back and look at the KP bills to see if there was I don't think it was anything great, >> but they are working right now and that's going to be a big bill. >> What What is your explain like I'm I'm

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not an attorney and I'm you know, so this is why we have council. Explain what your your thought process is on this explain what you see a problem here. So, >> I see both I see this written perfectly. It says if granted by Lunberg Water District or it's successor so mean

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because if it goes that easement goes away goes to the town acting jointly with other public when we have to act whatever we give granted must be approved by mass D. >> Yes. >> So mass D is saying even if we approve the kayaks they're saying no. So it doesn't matter what we say kayaks are on there.

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>> Oh no no no quite no >> that's how I read it. He's saying if he sends if we send a letter and DP says yes >> yes then we acting to say yes then we're acting jointly all right this is where I mean I've spoke to D and they're like nope it's

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they're up we made that decision get them out of there and they were very firm I know you needed writing but I >> no no no not I mean that's not yes I look like in writing but I have it in writing it's it's in the it's in the uh sanitary survey however

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>> I I don't want belabor this point. I'm just what I want to belabor is the the action that we took at the last meeting was done under a misreading of the of the easement. That's that's my point. >> I don't know if it's a misreading. It must might be a a different

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interpretation. >> No, >> that's the tough thing with legal stuff. >> And this is why this is why I had no problem with it going to to legal to interpret it for us. If legal comes back to us and tells us that, hey, there's a there's a loophole here to consider,

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then I would I would say the board has the right to discuss it. But I there there's so so much on on this and when you're reading through the easement, you already your interpretation and

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Fran's interpretation are completely different. I think Fran I think you I think you that is not your interpretation. I think Right. >> Uh well I interpret that it has to be jointly agreed on. >> Jointly agreed on and that's and that's what and that's what the letter send and

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then to your point if they said no there and their heels are dug in then the answer is still no. But but we have the opportunity to request it and put this thing behind us and and if if the if the commissioners would sign this because we never see any issue with it with respect

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to water contamination and they see that the district is okay with it. Somebody there whoever whoever you did maybe you didn't speak to would would agree okay let's do it and it's in writing and it goes away. So, so the only point I

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wanted to make is that I think the motion to start legal action right now is premature based on the fact we haven't done this. >> We haven't we haven't sent in a

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variance. >> We haven't sent in a request for a variance. Yes. But there has been there has been a request sent in by a hydrogeeologist with the with the support of the the district that has been denied. >> This this is this is

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>> and I believe that's where the chair is like we've already asked this question and I believe I believe that's where it's come from but I think I agree with you. It's probably something as a whole board. >> Yeah. I and I would >> I look at I look at all this and like yeah I can see >> can you can you kind of like see where

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like the other board members myself like Fran kind of are coming from like so this has been going on for a year and a half maybe two years >> that's why I said we're spending way too much time on >> No I know so what I think is by you

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wanting to spend more time and send more letters and and make I'm just saying you know you're saying that this is the easiest thing to do for us to do another letter, but the board, I'm not trying to speak for you, but from what I've got and from what I've sat back and listened to is

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from our talks from over almost two years ago, they had told us that they would move them unless they unless they got approval. So, I think what the frustrating thing is is it seemed a very smooth talk. We didn't

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need lawyers. We didn't need all this. And that's how it started 2 years ago. But why is why why is the board held held to have to send a third letter when they agreed two years ago that if they didn't get approval they would move it. So why so I think this is where some of

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the frustration comes is that you you're saying you came onto the board and you're sitting here saying this is the easiest thing to do. Let's send a letter of variance. But everybody else who's been dealing with this for two years has heard all of those residents say yes, we'll move it unless unless D tells us

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we don't have to. So why is that not >> I will explain it to you. >> As a general rule, I just don't do could have, should have, would. I I unless something in the past can help us move forward, I'm just quite frankly not

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interested. I'm interested in where are we right now. But but my but you're making everything sound like this is the easiest thing to do, right? >> This is the last thing, Chris. This is the last thing. >> But do you and it is the easiest thing. But you kind of see where much the easiest thing to do. >> The easiest thing two years ago when it

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was first talked about was if D wouldn't approve this, they said they would move it. So why why does it have to become more difficult for the board and the water districts to have to fight all of this when two years ago they said we had great conversation down there really

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good conversation very personable with everybody and everybody it was that email was forwarded to you of like a summary of everything that was stated. So why is that not the easiest thing? >> Where are we right now? Where are we right now? Yes, is the board. But why

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why can we not approach them to say, "Hey guys, come on. You said you would move it." >> Wouldn't a letter to the Woodlands be the easiest thing? No legal thing that says, "Guys, come on. Two years ago, you told us you would move this. Why would you move it?" >> You want to ask me to move? Fine. Ask them to move it. That's That's not going

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to solve anything. >> Well, yeah. >> That's not going to solve a thing. You You know where they move? What? To your point, one thing you were learning from the past, they're not going to move him until so so that's that's something I'm as far as the could a shoulda would is I'm saying, "Oh, they're not going to

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move." Where we are right now is we're about to engage our attorneys to start a litigation against the Woodlands in all likelihood and possibly from what it possibly a litigation based on the letter that we got last time from

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their attorneys maybe another one to defend litigation and that's this kaching kaching kaching and I asked myself is there another way out of this is there a possible way by the way the answer to this would could and according to Fran it would probably be no but

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there is a shot at doing this and what I'm hearing from the commissioners is I don't really care I don't care >> I would I would like to I would probably >> let me let me finish well maybe you change your mind but we went through this do you have any issue with those

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kayaks and the answer was no and in including our superintendent >> so there's no issue with the kayaks for us there's no issue with respect to asking for variance and the so and they leave

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open the door if if if a if a if a a use of in zone one does not affect the water quality uh then it's okay. So the easiest thing now and probably the only thing to do to save any kind of

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litigation is to ask for variance. They could say no and we're right back where we where we're going to have to I don't have any answers after that by the way. I have no answers at all after that. But I see one possible way >> of dealing with it and that's the only

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possible way I see of dealing with it. >> I'm still a little hard to go that way because I look at passive recreation and when the the when I look up hazardous chemicals and in kayaks, I the first thing that comes to is the manufacturing

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of kayaks. This is the this is the first thing that comes up >> when you >> when I spoke to the EP when you make comments when you when you talk about it. >> Yeah. >> And now we're getting into a possible point of contamination of the water

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source. This is this is the first information that comes up. >> So >> DP mentioned PAS. So, in the manufacturing of these um California, granted they're they're very restrictive state, but they make

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everybody put a warning that states that um that that there are chemicals that cause health effects to people in the manufacturing and in these products. So, to me, that's a that's a possible point

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of contamination. And when you talk about passive recreation, storage of possible contamination on that site is not passive. >> So this is >> I'm going to know what So what do you want to do with it? What are what are you saying? >> I'm saying that there is a possible

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point of contamination leaving those kayaks within the zone one. >> And what is that? >> And that to me it goes against >> they're manufactured with chemicals that cause that cause cancer and health effects in people. like let's talk let's let's discuss this because I think it's important so

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>> go you're on >> so that's I so I bring I bring it up I look at it now they're talking about and granted again California is a very progressive state as far as health goes and warning labels but >> the only the only uh materials that I

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have seen that could possibly affect uh um possibly be affected due to the existence of kayaks are aftermarket coatings on Kayak's holes, not the fiberglass. And there were several there several kind, actually two basic ones.

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There's one that restrict um UV light to to to preserve the uh the actual material. >> Yep. >> And the the other one is actually they call it a slick aftermarket coating is for racers. That's none of these people are racing.

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>> But they're also in paddles and life jackets. and all all other all other >> they're gaunting down their kayaks. Um so >> so the the the most resilient one lasts I think I saw approximately two season two seasons with with use. So these

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kayaks have been down there for 20 years for the most part. Okay. There's none of that stuff is on first of all and and in fact if you read the letter if you read the letter at the end I said no aftermarket. I said and they agreed no

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after no aftermarket uh processing on the kayak holes. >> But this is saying that it was that it's manufactured with people. It's not aftermarket. They're saying kayaks are manufactured is what you printed, right? PVC kaying to provide water.

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>> Material used to manufacture kayaks is >> it's it's a dry suits and and buoyancy aids. It's not the uh water refund for dye suits and basically >> I'm not I'm not saying that I'm a scientist and I I just I read this and

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and and it kind of tells me that there is a possible point of contamination with the amount of kayaks down there if something you know something could happen that could affect the the >> and I'm I I'm familiar with this and I

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don't I don't see it. I don't see it. And we have no I think the wording is there's any demonstrated uh any demonstrated adverse effects to the water quality. I think that was and I don't think we have any that honestly I don't think this is one. I mean gosh

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we'd have to look at the what's the building made out of down there. >> The concrete building the roof is I don't know what's >> Yeah, it's seated next. So >> yeah, I um I don't see anything here.

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>> I think about I think about passive. I I honestly think that I I kind of agree with D's ruling, but I also, you know, >> nothing. >> I I see I see the point of the people down there, but again, if you if you eliminate the possible point of

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contamination, which I think it's a possible point of contamination, and to me, it's not passive to store something uh on the zone one. To me, that's not passive recreation. It's pass through, walk, >> hike. That's That's really what it is.

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>> Okay. I I I But none of these none of these, I think, apply. I don't think any of these four categories apply. I mean, I understand your point, but I don't think they apply. >> All right. So, why don't we just postpone to the next meeting? You guys can Yeah, why don't we beat it up again?

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>> Do that. So let's let's hold off on any actions on this particular thing that with the >> you know what I would I would say would would maybe help your I know you you your opinion is to send the letter. >> Yeah. >> The opinion of the chair is not to send the letter.

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>> I've been beating it around back and forth, but my opinion is I think that that that the kayaks there are not not passive and possibly could cause some sort of a health risk to the supply. Why don't I would think that what you need

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to come up with is something different than that letter that would suffice and answer the question >> and I don't know I don't know something I don't know what the options are. We need a we need an option Fran get an email from D saying that there is no way

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that they will ever allow the kayak rats to stay there. >> Then we don't even need >> to them that's in the sanitary survey because I brought it up. I said did you get all the information? Maybe maybe maybe it's as simple as having that the superintendent send a letter for clarification. Is there any way shape or

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form even with a variance that would allow them to stay? >> And that maybe that's I don't know there are other ways other than to send that letter from the board. But I don't I don't know. Was there is there another way that would satisfy your um

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>> my point was that the premise the argument against it last month was that that the statement on the easement precluded a variance and all I'm saying is >> I wish I would have read that when during the meeting but I didn't uh is

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that it it does support um these but does support submission of a variance if D agrees with >> and I think that's the position of the is off the table. So now another argument's got to come up if there is another argument such as the one this

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one you're presenting here uh to say not not submit it that that we we all said it it doesn't matter but now maybe there's a reason it does matter and I will then just look for another argument other than the one we use to move to start litigation not necessarily start litigation but get the attorneys

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involved that that was that was my point and I think if we just hold off till next meeting we'll >> we'll do it again But I mean, you understand my point. >> Oh, I I got I got I >> it it was a it's a it's a formal issue

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about the premise for the motion to engage the legal people and that the premise for that is not right. And so you might want to do it again with another premise. I don't know. I suspect you may want to do that. That's where I suggest if there is if

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there is another option for you versus sending that letter that would would satisfy that we've done everything on your end then that would be what I would propose at our next meeting and and then we can discuss that option. I I don't feel the chair is going to

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>> um I can't put words in his mouth. So I'm going to it's going to have to be a discussion for the >> that's the action item this. >> Okay. >> Okay. uh preview review and discuss next steps for PAS treatment.

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>> So not necessarily PAS treatment uh >> water treatment. >> Well, we we went through and the voters denied us appropriating SRF funding, but I think uh we still have work we can do towards that process. So maybe uh hiring

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Ty Barn or any other firm that you you feel you want uh maybe do some engineering surveying uh because surveying needs to be done from the water main for Keings to Lancaster do Hickory Hills but there's a lot of work that needs to go on to make this thing happen. So no matter what I

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mean with the blending because Bill was talking Keings to Lancaster anyway. So there's a lot of things that can be done as a base level that won't be a waste of money. So like we had talked about you know treatment plant costs uh if we do a

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base level design they can submit it to their uh cost estimators come up based cost lines that would support what they came up with budget numbers. So I mean it be good beneficial information. So, I didn't know if this was something uh you

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guys would might think is a good idea that we maybe look into. And if you think so, I can have Ty Bon come in here or if you want someone else, they come in and just talk about what they think we should do. >> And uh and I think because 2029, the date's coming. If if if we find out we

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need treatment, which my opinion we do, um you know what that you know then then we got something we can kind of work towards. I I don't I don't see any way. Um I I don't I guess let me qualify it. I

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have a hard time seeing any way we can uh not put in a or not need a line from Keing to Lancaster regardless of how mass D comes down regardless of how they

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come down whether was the $47 million deal uh but or or if if if we could work out this A and S thing at least to hold us there without a major investment. Personally, I don't see a way of uh

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doing that. Uh which may also control the manganesees issue and possibly the hard water. Um I don't see any way of doing that without having that without having that uh without having that. So on that note, so let's say that that is

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the process we run the main from Kings to Lancast somehow you need a structure >> to to tile that together. So now so now maybe we don't build a treatment plant but maybe we still need a structure so you can do geotechnical you got you got stuff you need to do survey the property

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>> find where you going to put a septic system based based stuff I >> understand. Yeah. So that's kind of where >> and how and how if if we had to go if if mass D came back with a with a uh a PI of six requirement that we would meet

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how we would modify the the system make it make it uh modifiable if you will or what if we have to put manganesees in here or what if we have to put the PAS plant in here that tells you how to structure your just that link that link

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part Um I don't I don't know. Um I mean I I've exhausted my thought process with this the A and the S plan that we talked about the last meeting and then you're doing the testing on now. Uh but even that plan needs a link. I know that I

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know that there are uh arguments for hey let's just do Lancaster let's just do Keing as a standalone and I I remember uh that Ty and Bond on their two years ago or two and a half whatever it was on their master plan they they talked about

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that as not being a good option. I don't remember the analysis. It quite frankly I personally would have to see an analysis um as to why this plan of putting just say treating heings is a

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worse plan than connecting them for example there lots there's still options but I remember them talking about it in the master plan but I don't remember the analysis and if I'm not mistaken it was it was um it wasn't an in-depth analysis

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>> most So, so the cheapest PE fast treatment is just treat keys. That's that's the cheapest one. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Because all you all you need is the the GAC filters. That's it. Or we do the floor, whatever it is. >> They would need a pest, too, if they take that down to six, too. >> Uh well, yeah. I mean, because that's

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exceeds the full pot. So, that definitely needs a pest. >> Yeah. >> So, that that would be the cheapest plant, be the largest plant, but that would be the the cheapest roof. The the the bad things with just doing kings is the hard water would be twice as bad. Then redundancy. You have one source,

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one water man, feeding the whole town one way. You have a broken man entire town. >> That would that would be that would be >> and that's that's that was actually my concern too um about having just one. >> Yeah. So that that was the whole the original plan was Keem gets a plant

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Hickor Hills and Lancaster is it own sep now now you have two full functioning plant. This site's down. Boom. we get this one going. We we veered away from that, which I'm not so sure was the best idea, but I mean, it was the cheapest idea. That's kind of where I went with it. So,

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>> you know, Fran, we need we need to know where the heck mass it's. It's like mass D says get ready. We say get ready for what? Oh, we can't tell you. >> I mean, I mean, this you can't plan that way. They I mean do can we sit down with can we sit down with these folks

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somewhere and see where their heads are so we could do some planning because what's really critical if they come up with this EPA only plan the A's and the S because they they kicked out the other part. My goodness Lancaster could be a standalone facility.

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I mean it wouldn't need the PAS treatment. So if you suppose you have I mean I'm now I'm just now Yeah. Okay. So now I'm >> okay the cheapest pus treatment you say is kings. >> If they come in with the A and the S and say wait a minute we can blend this

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water. We got a little bit of maganesees issue but that can go away too. Um we do have the hard water issue down here but redundancy goes away if we can treat Lancaster without a piece treatment. >> Yeah. I I don't with number five. I

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don't >> Well, you're going to test those four wells. I'm going to put a dollar on the table here about those four wells. Um >> Well, no. Yeah. Well, number five is barely pumping any water. >> Well, we could we can jack that up. >> Okay. >> That's another tough There are four.

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>> That's the next one. You get tired. >> But still, all of this and I I looked at this this uh item on the agenda and I'm there is I >> there are a lot of unknowns because Massachusetts has not come out. Yeah, >> your whole plan your whole plan that you

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that you came up with on on the way we pump our wealth, if Pass 6 comes into that mass, then it's gone. >> So I tend to agree that there's still information that we have to have. >> Um >> I don't know you said. So the whole

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premise of of the the plan that you're doing is based on blending the supplies >> with a certain waiting factor on each of the welds. Yes. Because they all have different uh PA levels. >> So And then so then the idea is we would be sending keyings to Lancaster and blend that as well.

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>> Uh we would have we would do that maybe in you know June, July, maybe May, June, July, August we probably because then it becomes >> on the same premise. Couldn't we do that with Hickory Hills and blend it as well >> because we're right on the I mean can we could we blend the water and blend out

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the ir the iron and manganesees? >> You could see that one has plastic hills. Um, no. Short answer is not not the plan I put on table couldn't do. >> Not the plan you did, but you could also say that Hickory Hills could go to Lancaster and and possibly do the same

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thing that Keadings is doing. >> No, I mean the whole because the A and the S again to your point. >> Are you looking at the S on the recent? >> Yeah, they're too high. >> Not much though. >> Not that better than well number five. Well,

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>> and pretty close to one >> and you would need the manganesees treatment there >> definitely. So you you'd have to you couldn't blend if you even if you pumped keings like send everything to Lancaster AB blend it all >> if you blended hickory hills for the manganesees only the pas cuz kings fails

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that too the pole >> so so but the manganesees if you mix hickors with with uh kings yes you could you could address the manganesees >> but DP is not a fan of blending they they want they want to know what each individual source is tested at

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>> yes that that's Is there a way to getting closure on that? >> I'll send them an email because that way they'll respond back with an email. I'll send it to Paula Karen. She's she's the the water quality person. So whenever I

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ask any questions, it goes to her like the manganese. We had a VC sample fail last week. She's my contact. >> Could I help you write the email? >> Sure. Um, and I I have maybe we could write it together.

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>> I'll review the email. I mean, let him do his job. >> Refuse the email. Um, >> I I just I want I want to run test >> that seems out of line. >> Seems it does seem the other the other piece of levels. >> You know what? are very low. So,

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>> you know what I'm feeling? I bet I I don't know. Do you see a a difference in PAS spike depending upon the time of year that you do those tests? >> Yes. Yes. Usually October the higher pumping rates usually see the PAS levels rise. Like if we look at one, the

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highest levels are usually not. >> So the later in the season you get the higher levels of PAS because you're draw you're drawing so much more. >> You're drawing further away. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> So yeah. So the Hickory Hills one just

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you know we we ran that full capacity wide open and when we did all the other testing was it was low flow 100 gallons a minute this was wide open so that I don't know if that because we floated it wide open I had no idea but uh because we're lower than the 20 pots of a

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trillion I'm not sure we need a permit to even run that because I had to get a permit to run that >> that's that's really weird >> so I can I can send that to DP and see what they think >> you if you look back 10 15 years of data at Gree is nothing like that. >> Uh we

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>> started testing that wasn't Yeah, >> but we did have one sample come back one one time was like it's under three on the pass. So to me I'm like that that's got to be something bad. So, >> so okay I now I agree and I think you

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also agree right that we that we've got to do some level of planning but I'm coming out was we have to understand before we can plan we have to understand two things from mass D one would they go

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with the EPA's and two could we design a system a well-defined system that contains four wells with with a with a heating connection and Would they accept that? And what would be the issues of for not accepted and what what would we

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have to do for that to uh work before we have that? What do you plan for? >> Yeah, I'm agreeing. I'm thinking about it more. So now >> let's wait like Massachusetts and then then we can come up with our plan. Hey, this is this is where we have to hit.

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>> And but uh my thinking was just the baseline stuff anyways because you got the things you know are going to happen. That's all. I was just thinking just get the baseline stuff kind of just moving because that would that was one of the crunch things that was concerning like if that vote passed

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the cramming that surveying in in time to get that funding was was going to be difficult. So that was kind of where I was like well maybe if we do it basically and stuff get it kind of just >> cramming to get the fun when you cram it. Well, so like when you when you run

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a cross country water man, you've got to survey from that that whole thing. Everybody's property, drive, mailbox, catch basin. So you got to you know survey crews going to be out there for >> Oh, that's sur. So that that kind of basic >> and what what what kind of timeline

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what deadlines are you concerned about? >> Well, nothing right now cuz it's all voted down, but I was just thinking stuff that we make. I mean, because >> uh we can leave the hickory one off. I don't really care, but I mean definitely somehow Keies is tying in. So that was just maybe get the baseline survey done

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uh cost estimate for the pipe and if we do a little building or maybe do a big building with only little nothing in it. >> Yeah. >> Then uh you know what are we looking at for that kind? Just like a keto technic what >> uh how deep is bedrock. Can we can we this is what we're going to remove for gravel that goes over

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>> where would a plant go if it sized at this size that size. But we would have to agree that we aren't going to do a a plant at Kings because then why would you, you know, we would have to say, "All right, we're moving forward. When we move forward, part of our plan is

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that we're going to do a transmission line. We are not going to put a plant at Kings." >> Well, all right. >> So, that would have to be like a definitive. This is >> They told you it's not worth putting a plan or anything at Lancaster because there's no >> I would not for just Lancaster. I would

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not vote. you have one well number five. It's the only one that can pump water. >> Uh I wouldn't do it, >> right? And then we to take into consideration the fact that um you know res residents weren't looking for right

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may not have to but residents weren't looking for a plant at Hickory Hills that that made the most sense >> that I'll just send all the water to Lancaster and have one giant treatment plant there. That was you know that was that was why we came to that. >> Yeah. Yeah. So it was

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>> yeah the plant the plant itself is going to be a lot for that singular location. >> But you're you know the the cost of just a transmission main versus putting a plant at each individual site is why we came to the conclusion of one plant if we had to go that way.

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>> But again still until we until we have a regulation to meet. >> Exactly. >> Y >> we are going on assumptions. A lot of people are going on assumptions that a lot of cities around I mean what town thousands already put a plant in Arizona's already put a plant in >> everybody around >> conquered conquered hey conquered

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spending $50 million on a plant. Yeah, but as I looked into >> it's more than just peas. It's >> Yeah, it's that 28 28 million of that is is that lake they have they're getting a water out of that lake. >> Yeah, we see drain away.

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>> We have to treat iron and manganesees. >> I bet they don't want and that's that's why it's very hard to do and we've we've said this a million times and I was just throwing that information out. We have to, you know, you can't really do a comparison on on a lot of like, well, this guy's doing this or this guy's

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doing that because they're not apples for apples. >> Again, going here's where we are. >> But yes, but don't let's let's we don't need to go much further today. I think I think we're both under agreement that right now >> we got to beat up the the mass D. >> We need to know we need we need more

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guidance. >> So, let's let's >> hold on till we till we get more information. >> But how but how do we how we get solid information from D or are they not those those are the two key points those are the two key points

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>> and when I get that they're working on it and they say it's coming soon and even even the head person the central region person that I speak to like kayaks and all that stuff >> I put him on the spot we need to know what's going to happen with the PE fo and the PE boss >> and he says he says we're right there

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with you so all they do is they do their little whispering amongst themselves in Austin and uh from what he's getting it's going to stay at the full pots per tray but we don't know about all the other PA fast six stuff but Massachusetts is the only one that has those in there. >> Yeah. >> So no one no one really knows.

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>> Well and also the the uh EPA is not going to be finished till the end of July I think that's right. So we won't know anything from the EPA until say August. So >> I mean you can't plan our way. So I don't see a big deal. >> Yeah. But I I agree once we once we feel

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that we know where where we have to go >> direction then we can do basics. >> Okay. Number eight action items review modified well usage. >> Uh I just wanted to mention so I'm we're running all the wells on caster as Bill

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mentioned gave the pump rates. Uh it just it just I don't we don't typically run kings in Lancaster together all of Lancaster. So we run uh Lancaster at night, Keings during the day. Um some of the dry periods gets a

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little tough meeting the demand, but we work it out. We figure it out. Uh so a lot of people like, well, why why are you supporting us? I think it's a great great idea. So I mean it's going to it's going to improve a lot of things. Can can we blend is one thing to me then we're going to see why I keep saying

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there's no water in Lancaster drive you're going to see that and we got pretty close already just just little things the hardness issues I mean we can start grabbing samples at the center of town grabbing hardness so so I think uh whatever we do we're going to learn and then I took Bill out yesterday went to

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every one all the wells checked everything out and uh well number five that's the worst well in Lancaster for the PAS So he's like, "Well, how about we test each of the wells individually?" Good. Not a bad idea. We'll test each one because there's four wells that feed

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that that source. So we'll test them all. >> That's the one that has You You were talking to me about if if more than two of them, >> three have to run of four. >> So three of four have to run in order for that well to run. >> Correct.

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>> Yeah. >> Yep. So, so I'm So, Bill's thinking is, well, what if one of them is the worst one and three of them are good? So, and I I >> But then you're relying on those three, >> but but we could shut off the one that was bad. >> See, I I have a I have a hard time with

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thinking I if we can blend and make something work. I have a hard time with the consistency of making that blend work because of wells go down, this motor goes down, we can't run this one. I that's the only thing that I think

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would be kind of difficult. >> Yeah. B management VB management is for sure. >> So like I said so we run them every night 10 to 10. Uh but stuff happens like uh lightning strike on Friday blew the fuses on on Lancaster A. So that

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blew out wells two and four. Uh then we had the pump fail at well number five on one of them fixed. Now we have another pump failing because that it's 15 years old. So stuff. What does that do to the consistency of your blend? I think that's where D is going to really want

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to see us. We The only way I think they allow for blending or would allow or consider it would be that you have to show consistency and I think it's going to be very difficult to do that. Well, that's why I'm saying to help you with with the if you write that something

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because you have to have you have to anticipate what the issues would be and Mark's bringing up one of the issues. But for you know for 25 or $30 million we could have somebody there around the clock with an extra pump. Uh but we have but to that point I think

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we we we kind of have to foresee what the issues could be and and put that build that into the plan some somehow. Um but without knowing what the requirements are going to be on the PIA levels it's uh

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>> this this is because yeah so there there's the actual full regulation and then there's the what everybody's saying. So that I mean DP can say it's four. It's going to be four >> and u it's got to be four because EPA is at four. >> Yeah, they have to be.

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>> So they have to accept the four. So we we can almost guarantee that the P PAS and P4 levels are going to be at four. It's it's what are they going to say about the PAS 6 and are they going to do anything above and beyond that? Yeah. >> So if Massachusetts adopts stuff like

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they do from California all the time, >> Massachusetts, California pretty close to retail, >> then then yeah, we're we're we're building a treatment plant, >> which I don't understand personally because California is completely on the other side of the continent.

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Crazy. Anyway, um are we good on that? Well, well, usage gonna can continue. I like I like the idea that I like the idea that we're gonna we're gonna see a lot of information, right? >> It's going to improve like Yeah. >> Yep. >> Yep. Like my my big thing Lancaster is

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there's not enough water. That's like we said. So, but we'll we'll see that >> depending on Yeah. >> Like for example, we just got the heavy rain walls went up before. I mean, so the rain is impacts the recharge immediately. It's

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>> wow. >> Pretty pretty incredible. >> So what like we keep a spreadsheet so then in in time we'll make a graph of it so you can see we'll see how what we go. But as these numbers come in we could

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also look at okay which ones like four. four gets into trouble. Two or four, they're the they're the two maybe, you know, kicking back a little bit. >> Yes. So, well number four was already down to 2.3 shuts off at 2 ft of water. >> And then with Bill's modified pumping,

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we we backed off the flow to 200 gallons a minute. So, that brought the water table up to five almost six. So, but we'll see. It's still on the decline. So, but we got time, so we'll see how it does. >> Yeah. Too bad we're doing this testing in the summer because that's I mean also

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good. >> No, you want to do it you want to do it at the worst time I think. I think and maybe even continue this uh further cuz the DP is going to want the guaranteed proven. You do it in the best best season for us and of course it's going to pass.

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>> You know, you can't you can't go off of that. They're going to want to see it in the worst case scenario if they're going to accept it. >> They will. >> Okay. Commissioners, superintendent, clerk, treasures, additions. >> Uh, what do I got? Uh, we we got the

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antennas up on the tanks reading meters. Uh, you didn't look at it, but I like we see the usage. You turn your irrigation on at 2 in the morning. I can see that. We were just looking at it. >> My irrigation. >> Yeah, two in the morning. >> Which one? >> My button blue. >> I don't have I don't have my buttonwood. It's on at 4:00 in the afternoon.

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>> Well, something's turned on. >> And and it's for plants and I can So, it's for plants. It's sustainable. for business. So, I don't need to do >> put them on the spot there. >> Put them on the other side. >> But who knows, >> it's going to be a great thing going forward.

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>> So, we we did Sunny Hill, which was last week, and then we just did Friday, Chase Road, but Sunny Hill was reading 76 to 77% of the town. So, we were hoping we did Chase Road that we were going to get like more closer to 100, but we got up to 80 84 85.

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>> Yeah. So it got like Sunny Hill couldn't read White Street down that area. But so that that gets all that area. The the the spot that we we need to Hickory Hills, which the the tower people told us that >> which I'm surprised though because there are still spots down in Hickory Hills

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radio frequencies don't they don't go over the hill. So they'll get stuff out there, but they miss the >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But the I think the benefits that I think that I really like about the system and the direction you're headed is >> we're going to get real-time data. You're going to be able to set

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parameters that if somebody actually has a higher usage than normal, we're going to know that real time and be able to >> notify them. >> Notify the people and and and correct the situation so that they don't get, >> you know, larger than normal bills because I know I've I've done one of

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those before and yeah, they're painful. >> Yeah. So, wait, like I don't know who it pulled. the summer on buttonwood >> and uh >> cuz there was a couple of you know names up there. So I pick one and it you can pick every day and if I pick that day it's going to go down the hours it'll it can nitpick everything you do.

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>> So you know when I take a shower >> I can see when you flush the toilet. >> Wow. >> Big brother is watching. I made all that up. I don't know if you can see that. >> No, it's really good for for those people who if they had a leak to sit there. It it there's a um can show you,

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but there's like a a circle and it'll tell me, you know, intermittent leaks warning critical how many are in that, you know, and right now we've got some that are they that are kind of in that stage, but they're the huge, you know, Rogers way arrive apartments. So, I can

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pull that up and be like, "Okay, that's those guys." But when I pull that up, it'll show all the accounts and I'm like, "Wow, that's a that's a random home. Let me pull them up." That I can literally see like he was saying today, "What did they use?" Click on it and it goes right down to the hour. So then I

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could call them and say, "Hey, you've had water running for 24 hours. Is that good?" >> Gigantic tomato plant. >> Yeah. >> So we uh good. We bought a very expensive 65 in TV that we're going to

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put here on the wall so we can show you like the meters of SK. We can show you how >> could spring for the 85. >> He's joking. It was >> It was like 280. It was dirt cheap. >> Yeah. >> So, it was Yeah, >> cuz we have all the data ports, don't we?

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>> Yep. Network right there. So, then we tie in. We It comes with Wi-Fi. So, then we can we can hook it up. And that'll be good cuz then we can show you you guys as well as the >> Yep. >> the people. So good. >> Yeah. Anything else?

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Nothing. >> Mr. You got anything? Uh, you got a break the other day and you just cured that up? >> Oh, tilt. >> Yeah. >> Uh, it was good for the guys. I wasn't known was Danny Ryan. I called him Bob

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Proctor. >> Yep. to fix it. So, it was good. The new guys fixed their own name break. They said everything went smooth. >> Good. >> It was uh it was good for him. >> Okay. I don't have anything else. Clerk. >> Uh just two quick things. Um I know I

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had spoken with each of you separately. Um but I typically our meetings in July and sometimes in August we usually do one a month. And when I had done up the the full year, um I had put two commissioners meetings for the month of

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July, um I'm asking if you guys are okay for us to just go down to one meeting in July on July 15th instead of having the meetings the 8th and the Oops, I don't have July up there. The first instead of

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the 2nd and 4th July in um Wednesday in July, just having the one meeting on the 15th. Um, it sounded like that date when you all reached out to me separately that that date would work for everybody, but I just wanted to confirm. >> So, cancel the 8th and

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>> Yep. just one meeting July 15th. Yep. >> And then cancel the 22nd as well. >> Yes. >> I mean, we can always >> That's fine. Well, we don't have to cancel anything. We could just say, let's move the meeting from the 8th to the 15th, and then on the 15th, you guys

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can decide. >> Yeah. Let's see what's going on and say, "All right, let's >> All right. So, no meeting. Um, >> just have to tell the chair that I I voted that we have a meeting every week." >> They'll be excited. >> Yes. All right. So, no meeting on July 8th. We're going to plan for July 15th

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at 4:00. >> I I would just say we do some sort of a post letting the public know our our change in schedule for the month and then just make sure that, you know, >> so that they're aware. Maybe repost it. >> Sure. um you know on a weekly basis to let

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them know that when we're having our meetings and not >> sure um and then I just have one other quick thing. I got an email um and I wanted to figure out how the board wanted me to respond. We've gotten I've gotten an email twice but we haven't had um a

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meeting since then. But um a resonant had run 3 years ago for the commissioner's position and there was misunderstanding between legal counsel and the voting procedures and all of that. So he has reached out and asked

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for the attorney's name and information. Um so I can respond and give him that. But am I but I I mean I can give him the name but am I then expressing to to him that he is not to speak to our legal

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counsel? He has to go through the water district because >> what's he looking for? So, it it was three years ago when Dave McDonald ran against um for commissioner and he three years ago had asked questions about um

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the elections and recounts and all of that and at that time our legal council had responded and given >> that there wasn't these certain procedures. So since then, our voting has we've looked it back into um our

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1980 um whatever it it was discovered between all of our um meetings and legal counsel that some of that information that was given was misunder was misrepresented >> well or or just wasn't known at the time by council. So he wants

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>> So he now from 3 years ago emailed and said, "Could you please send me the attorney's name who misrepresented my wishes on the election I was involved in and I hadn't responded yet cuz I wanted to run it by you guys and then he just reached out a couple days ago and said just checking on who the attorney was

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that gave the response to my request to date. I have not heard back." So, I did not want to answer because I wanted to ask the board, "How would you like me to respond?" Because I didn't think you would want me to say, "Yes, it's I mean, everybody knows it's KP Law. You can

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find it in our in everything. It's KP Law." But I didn't think that it was the board or >> how you would want this resident to reach out to our legal counsel. >> Is that a is that a board decision? Well, I just don't I just didn't want us

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to incur legal fees from a res. Yeah. If we gave him the information, now he's calls >> and now now we're charging fees. >> Yes. >> On that we're paying for so I can That's why I said no way. And we can't allow him to talk. If he has comments or concerns or questions, he can address me

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with the board or whatever. Yes. >> And then we can decide >> if it goes to legal representation. I mean, if this is all he's looking for is just the name. Well, so that's how I'm asking. Would you like me to respond that your request is this is the name KP Law Brian Riley,

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>> but if you have further questions or anything, they need to come. >> You cannot address him directly. >> Yeah. >> Something of that. >> So if someone contacts our attorney, somebody independent contacts them with

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a question, do we have to pay for that? >> Well, if it's they're our attorney. Well, yeah, but I mean he the attorney would have to come back and say I've been doesn't, you know, get bleeding, right? >> Which I would assume so, but I but so I guess if he did called KP, left Brian

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Riley a message and said, "Hey, I'm I'm so and so. I have questions." I would assume Brian would reach out, >> which has happened in the past with the last election stuff that came out. >> They kept trying to call >> they the information was there for our attorney. So stuff was trying to go to our attorney. Our attorney responds. I'm

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getting direct from this guy and we're like, "No, you you are not." >> So that I I I kind of agree with the clerk treasurer. There's there's no question in that in that request other than looking for a specific individual. If there was a a request for specific

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information or a request that we look into something specifically or why then then I guess it would come to the board and then the board would decide whether we send it to legal or or try to respond to it. Also kind of taking a page out of your

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book, Bill. This is three years ago. you know what what can we do about what's in front of us now regarding this? So I guess >> yeah email would you like me to just say

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>> if he had if he had could if he that's all he wrote >> if he could write a specific question what what he's looking for is he is he looking for a new interpretation of what >> I don't know all he asked is so the first email was could you please send me the attorney's name who misrepresented my wishes on the election I was involved

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in. It's very upsetting that the Lunberg water department gave me these answers and found and find out that they took away my rights to a fair election. Second email was just checking on who was the attorney that gave me the response to the request uh below which

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was the old emails back in 2023. He forwarded them again. To date, I have not heard back. So, would you like me to just respond and say Brian Riley with KP Law, but if you have any further questions, they need to be um directed

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to the water district. >> I guess I don't understand how it all works. if he doesn't they would call the attorney say, "Hey, how about this? When you said this, is that still right or whatever his question is, would that attorney then verbally tell him what the

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difference is?" >> I would hope not because he's that's not his client that we are um >> Yeah, I don't know how that works. I mean, I I don't know how that works. So, >> so the whole problem, the whole election thing took place because we switched our attorneys. Our old attorney was and his father was our attorneys for since the

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beginning of the water district. So he retired what was it three four years ago? He he knew all these he knew all this stuff. >> So when we switched and I don't I don't remember stuff in the 80s whatever. So anyway so when we switched to the new attorney the new attorney didn't know everything that took place. So that

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that's why things kind of got a little >> because I'm not so you had the articles of organization when the when the district was formed and then post the articles of organization from the district all sorts of of um

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bylaws and things were adopted through a series of years and time. So, uh, for KP to go through and and get that inside knowledge that our attorney and and his father who was the attorney

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before that already had just had intimate knowledge of, uh, they they they didn't misrepresent the district on purpose. They they gave the their findings based on the information that they had at the time.

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and then once they dug into it found that there was there was more more to it. So I don't I don't know but I I think move forward I think he he deserve I think it's a valid question. Yeah.

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>> Okay. It's a valid question. The question is how do you how do we deal how do we deal if this were a government agency that would be uh what what do you call that we look for information? FISA. No not FISA. Uh FI what what is it? though. >> So, an information when you're looking

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for information >> I mean government there's a name for it. >> Chuck >> didn't mean to turn into a big I'll I'll respond and give him the name in that and then I'll maybe all I'll do is just send um Brian with KP a quick message. Hey, just to reiterate if anybody

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reaches out to you please >> for you. Sorry for for you >> please you know confirm with us before you spend time. >> I can do that. Okay. That's all. That's all I got. >> Oh, I had one other question actually.

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Where does where does that money money go that we get for the water >> goes into the >> the same place as the revenue from the customer? >> Yeah. Just part of our revenue goes to the budget. So, we have our budget for $2 million and this comes in here. Then we put that in there. Interest comes in here. We just kind of >> So then we use that as operating money.

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>> Yep. Unless unless it's there's enough there where the water revenue covers that then that would just pass along the backside going to surplus >> and then surplus is used for certain things like purchase of the Do we use surplus to purchase a excavator?

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I >> thought that came out of surplus >> the all these things that allow us to put in water manes and and save off of doing public bids and engineering >> cuz I always say I'm cheap. You should

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take a walk around that garage and take a look at our equipment and stuff. >> 1996 dump truck, 1988 dump truck, 2009 backhoe, uh 1996 backhoe. So everything we have is old. We we run it

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till till it doesn't, you know. So we >> we I I do have to say my tenure here, Fran does a lot with with a little >> I try. You know, the pickup trucks are tough cuz they like big time now.

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>> Yeah. And you have to have those. You've got to be able to get here, turn them on, and go when when you need to. So >> Yep. Um, okay. Is that all you have? >> I'm good. >> Favorite part. Public comment. Is there

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any public comment today? >> Yes, sir. Could you please state your name, sir? >> My name is David W. Rogers. I live at 82 Highland Street, Menberg, Mass. real quickly. Is it the position of this com commission um that we have a legal

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document between uh the folks down at Hickory Hills uh and the the water district as it relates to um what can be done and what can't be done uh down at the uh the area near the pumping station

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specifically with canoes and kayaks and whatever. Do is that a a legal document? >> Well, the we have a deed that's very specific like Mr. a burial sample of recreation

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walk jog whatever it is that kind of thing >> and then there was >> signed by by commissioners and >> no that's a deed that's >> yeah it's writing a deed it's part of the property >> so it's part of the so >> that's a the easement is a legal document as part of the deed

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>> correct >> so it's a it's been recorded >> oh yes >> okay >> that that to me is the basis that you have to start from you know and I said I I I read it a while ago and didn't

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commit it to memory, but it I thought it said uh that u um there should not be any kayaks or what have >> uh it didn't specific to kayak structures like we actually had on here

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no structures can be erected which kind of leads to the kayak there there's a wood structure you know so >> is it a structure you know that's kind of gets a little what's a structures the building or shed which is obviously definitely a no >> but I mean

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>> it is a piece of wood that's put together so I mean it's everything's how do you interpret things >> so then in our case they went to D I'm not sure how they if they put that we had no I'm not sure it's was on so many years ago I'm not sure how it

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>> interacted with them and we how we were tied to it >> um I don't know. I mean, true that uh waiverss were requested in the past like the boat docks that are there. Those those were approved.

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>> Uh something else was approved. >> Oh, that house across the way. >> Yes. >> That that the 400t boundary goes >> touches that propert. >> Uh so so the the way that well was supposed to be designed that was supposed to be a well field. So it's supposed to be 200t radiuses. So when we

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when we did the pump test which was we did it on the well field. So that would have kept that off of. So then when it came time to actually they found out that they could do it with one well instead of the well field they went through DP and like hey you know we do

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we need to worry about that and they they they waved that. So that that was a wave for the property across the >> Yeah. talk about that. >> And did this commission uh not get a letter from u the folks at Hickey Hills

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that uh they have no intention to uh to to do anything with the uh kayaks and those things? >> They haven't officially received anything. >> No, they just kind >> I think they're just challenging it. I think that's what they're doing.

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>> There's nothing official. that I don't nothing that I'm aware of that says that we're not moving them. >> Yeah, >> they they just keep applying DP to ask for the waiver. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Any other public comment?

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>> Your favorite part. >> Okay. I move that you want to recognize me. >> I do. I recognize you all the time. >> I move that we adjourn this meeting. >> All right. So moved.