working on that. All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome. Today is July 9th. This is the Lunberg Water District Commissioner meeting. We'll start by saying the pledge of allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the United States
of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. Okay. Hey, get some uh uh John's got John.
Oh, they're hiding. Yeah, I'll have you guys start looking at those. We'll pass the meeting minutes around. Last one all here. Make sure we're not blowing all Yes, because that's what we do. We just throw money away off
or not approval whatsoever. How old is that Mac dump truck you have? 1988. I graduated high school in ' 88. I don't know if anybody wants to do the math. Been a while. I don't even want to John I don't want to know when you graduated high school. 18.
I probably wasn't bored you. Did they have high school? What is this for? Uh the uh keys our loan payment. Mass clean water trust. The loan payment. That's the loan payment. That's
the ad for the loan. Oh, is this the uh this must be the rental? Yep. Was that 500? 300. 300. Pretty good. Yep. Did you have to pick it up and drop it off? Yes, we picked that. Yeah.
Yeah. And they let us the night before the day and then dropped it off the next morning. Yeah. Yeah. So, it was pretty good. That's a It's good to know to tell you the truth. Y box. And that only cost $100.
Did you see? Oh, yeah. It only costs. That really bothered me. I know. That's what that makes it better than the the the fact that he had you spent a little money on parts is that I know how much it bothers him. Oh man, I broke it. Attached stuff all the time.
Yeah, my mechanic spent like all day long and stuff. Uh I can go out of order if you want, Mr. Chair, and uh make a motion approve the minutes. No, you kind of can't because you looked at them. I haven't signed it. Well, here
you can look at them. Nice day today. Yesterday was uh yesterday was hot. Supposed to be more of that. Now we're ready for you, Mr. Bush. Uh motion to accept the minutes of June
25th, 2021, 2025. Okay. I So, it's my job to try to uh last I heard we we were out of it, but I would imagine we're heading back into it. Yeah, there's a lot of water restrictions now.
Just a baseline rain that rain monthly use just just for 9 to5 just the basic stuff. And is that stream stream flow or is
that just based on uh we have you have two ways to do it. You could do a calendar based or stream flow. We're doing the calendar which is made and September 30th. Yep. Uh the stream is your well every day you'd have to go watch the corner quick
river calculated when it was at a certain point you have to then you have to go water restrictions and then if it went back you could you come back out of them. But definitely when we did the train flows. We would just once it hit, we just stayed with it.
Okay. Uh next we have review public engagement questions regarding future treatment options. So we went through them all. So what what do you guys want? Um well I mean you is there anything new? Nothing new. I did see some tra from uh
Lou at time bond above that uh option six. Yes, a little bit. You guys had asked after the last meeting to reach out to Lou um ask him about that other option. Correct. So I gave you guys the email and it was
I kind of forgot about it. The second page has that all those breakdowns and he had actually given us this a long a long time ago and then that's when we had simple it's not a good option. So, we eliminated it. So, it kind of answered a few of those questions,
but I didn't really change anything as far as the survey yet cuz right, it just Well, I as far as with this uh this information u for Lou that uh Mr. Enki was, you know, asking about,
you know, obviously we can share this with him. I think he was one of the, you know, the only one, but he's the one that was, you know, driving these concerns with it. So, I just wanted to make sure that we follow up and, you know, give this information to him as to
why we're going the directions that we are. And I'm afraid you have been communicating with this. Yes. Yes. So, you're going to meet I have a meeting with him tomorrow at 9:30. Okay. And you're welcome if you're available to to attend. Uh he just had some pretty
basic questions on you know what we've tested mostly you know what why what's our thinking you know just just basic stuff uh out of everybody that I've ever talked to regarding any of this he's the one who spoke to the most
yeah okay so I don't know if you want to just kind of wait we can you talk to him and then we'll try to pull together more of a final draft for the next one sure it's fine I mean, we should go just run through. Yeah, I mean, absolutely.
Just so so people could if they're interested. Well, if you want to let them know too what Lou was saying about the concerns like in his email cuz we were all a little couldn't quite answer it. And that's why we said he talked about the dissimilar waters. Mhm.
Um having to do the pilot testing. Yeah. But it's the most expensive. Yeah. Uh and that's assuming there's no negative impacts for the PAS media between the two concern that treating Lancaster water
and peach of the water will cause calcium to precipitate from the keyn water into the bass media. So that's one of our biggest things with Kipitates the calcium it plugs everything up. Uh so yeah, so they're plugging up the the
media from that. That's that's going to be a huge problem, I guess. Yeah, you know, as a matter of fact, Fran, I'm even just going to read those two sentences just for the people that may react to this. We'll put obviously we can put this up here. It says, due to the dissimilar waters, we are concerned that after treating the
Lancaster AB water removal of iron maganesees, the pH of the water will cause calcium to precipitate from the Keings water into the PAS media. If this occurs, the media may malfunction as designed and need to be replaced much more frequently. In order to proceed with this alternative, D would require
more pilot testing. Additional pilot testing could be between 150 and 350,000 depending on what D requires. So that's what the the concern is is that the the pH of the water will cause calcium precipitate from the Kings water into
into the PAS, you know, uh re PAS remediation media. That's I think what we we have kind of discussed a little bit. I just wanted to get that engineer speak you know. So just so everybody's aware typically when you do a a treatment process for
iron and magnes will will raise just by doing that process for some reason. Yeah. So I mean it's not going to be perfect. We still do pH adjust adjustment. That's I think that's part of their concern if the pH rises that calcium's coming out. Right. And when when the cleaning well we first turned on the line, we have
huge issues. It was blocking up the pump like in two weeks pump. So if you took your finger from and had raw water, stuck it in the sodium hydroxide and dipped it in the the raw water, you would see it instantly turn white, just pass through. I remember years ago, the long before I
was even Terry, I saw one time hit in the back of his truck. I was like, that's the key. I was like, yeah, the calcium calcium which causes the hard water is is It's an issue. You clean that annually? Annually? Yeah. Yeah. We didn't know it
was causing huge problems. Now, if we're if that's becoming our primary source now, we're not cleaning that annually. And then we have to add we're probably cleaning it more than annually if you're pumping that much more out of it. So, that would be
another thing to worry about as far as, you know, just it's an added thing to look at is if we're pumping that source more The increased hardness in the water in the system and the increased use is
going to cause more frequent cleaning to be needed. And if that gets oluded enough, I mean, what are we talking? We got to shut the well down. Well, so the first time we found the problem, the maximum capacity we could pump was 300 gallons a minute. That was
with all the pumps, right? Pressure. So on a positive side, if we put another well in next to it, will that affect the cleaning process? We'd be able to shut one well down, use the other well, and clean it. Well, it depends on how you build the
system. Typically, you're not building a full-blown separate treatment plant for this well, and another one to this one. Typically, each well would use the same treatment plant. So, usually if this well needs maintenance, you can shut this one out, still operate out the other one. But somehow uh because we
spoke to engineers about this, somehow we'll have to do a a discharge from the pump station where the pH adjustments made and have two setup. So when one is getting clean, you can still go through the same treatment plant and just discharge through.
So there is I mean sinking another well in next way to have them back up again at added expense, but which we are down at testing right now. Perfect. I was going to ask you about that. Yep. Um, do we want to peruse through the
survey um now and come up with I mean I to me there's a few things we could pluck right out of uh well let's let's kind of talked about it last time we did so I mean I guess I'd like to get this you know closer and closer because
I would like to put this out u so if you're a user of Lunberg water. It's only one per household to Yes. to fill out the survey. Correct. So, if you're a user of Lunberg Water, you're a household
outside. You're talking like if you're not in the if you're not a paying customer, right? All right. So, I mean, how many of people are going to I don't know how many people are going to fill that out anyway, right? You know, I mean, so like, you know, as we say, name, address, required, you can, you know, this, are
you currently a district customer or a private well or a user of Lunberg water? Okay. I I mean, yeah, because I guess if if you you live in town, you're either on ours or a well. Those are the two main things, right? But if you're also a user and
you're concerned about the quality of water, my concern is that you have people from the same household from outside of town that might fill this out because they're a user, you know. Well, no, it's only going to the Lunberg. It's going to once again
Lunberg. So this So that may be eliminated because you can't be if you're you could be a user because you can live in Lunberg and go to go to the schools. Go to the schools. That that's why go to schools. I think like I have a private well, but I work at the schools. I work at the town hall. I work at the fire
department. I have concerns about the water I'm going to get. So like I'm okay with I agree. I'm okay with you. And once again, everybody knows this is just to get a feel for the public. We are not uh this is not a districtbound, voting bound. This is just we're trying to
see with a heartbeat basically. Yeah. Um, so I like leaving the user of Lunberg water. If you're president world, do you consider connected to the water supply if it were available to you? I crossed off with
we have copy if you guys want. We crossed off with uh okay with standard rates because the rates are always changing. So what is standard? I think it's also kind of already implied. So we're okay with your way down on the first page. Okay,
so that one's good. And it was the same thing removing time frames and the rating scale pretty much from all three. So like as far as the tasting thing, I know like sometimes this kind of went back and forth from last meeting a little bit like I think it should be in
there because kind of you know again I know when I go to Fitchburg right away people from Fitsburg you can tell the difference right away. I have no problem going in my faucet and like but you could take take something away from the taste. Yes, I have taste
issues. Okay. Well, now you're looking at the iron and so I I I kind of like to keep the taste. I think I think it's I think it's just pretty uh Yes. I I I don't like the 4 321 rating. I like pleasant neutral just Yeah. odor. Same thing. We don't need
the past year. Just how not does anybody water in this district and the uh the ratings there? I think it's simple. Okay. Pressures are probably certain by the district. How would you water pressure on tap and uh so
which is we should leave this in there but you know obviously there's going to be conflicting answers on this depending on where you live in town. So my opinion on the pressure was that that was one of the ones I took because there's really nothing you can do. Well, I I guess you're kind of right because there is absolutely nothing that
we can do about it. I mean I like this question because I'm like mine is awesome and I love it. But I I you're right. You can't change it. There's nothing we can do about if you leave it. It's not going to hurt if you leave it. So
but at the same time we've also talked about making sure that this isn't like another question another question. Yeah, I'm okay with like mixing it because I don't really think there's a value ad on it. Like sure, I mean, I'm curious. I want to know what people think, but there is absolutely nothing we can do about pressure with the exception of you
have a pressure regulator in your house and turn it down. Like, yeah, right. I mean, yeah, let's stick to what we're what we're looking for. All right, so we're getting rid of pressure. Don't get rid of the pressures. Uh hardness. Um, so as this was
originally written, I I kind of liked that. I didn't really like the extra comments I put on. Just part of water carries extra calcium and magnesium picked up from lysone in similar rock. These minerals react with soap lowering suds and leaving film on sink and iron fixtures. When heated they deposit a
scale and clogged pipes pipes coats coats heaters coats heaters clogs pipes coats heaters and freezes in Yeah. Leaves a white coating on Yeah. No, I know. I just I don't That's Look at You know what I'm saying? No, I mean
once again I am not good for any animal. So water above roughly 100 million hard district supplies combined water from only sources. They're not harmful. Yeah. So I like that they're not harmful man use software soft conditioners or reverse osmosis used to keep their
plumbing clear and so effective. So what are we saying that the two comment LW4 and LW5? Yeah. I mean, I don't have a problem with LW4 because it that is a
it's not it's not a water quality issue that's controlled by the state or federal. But I think this I think what um Nicole was trying to get across is that though controversial if you looked it up
there is some studies about all that kind of stuff. So she said, "I just don't I don't think it should be in there because there is studies about it and you can't you don't want to be putting something out there." Say, "Don't worry. Don't worry." And somebody Google searches this and there we have PAS. Yeah. Well, right. Yeah. So that's why I'm
saying like while I'm not saying I totally disagree or anything with that comment, I just don't really think it's necessary to be in here. I don't think it's it adds anything to to the to the survey, you might say. Um, and then basically it while this is on a
separate page, I think this is a continuation. Were we getting rid of the popup as we're going? Oh, next page. That's on the edge. Yeah. Um, yeah. Didn't we say Yeah, we I think last meeting was saying
just get rid of the Yeah. All right. Because it that was just more of a talking about water softeners, which we don't Yeah, we don't need water. Once again, I guess I guess what we're really finding out about this is is do you did you find that the water quality was bad
that you had to purchase a soft? Yeah. Yes. Okay. And then leave it. I don't really So my question on redundancy y I agree with taking some of the stuff
out. We currently meet the redundancy standard, but once we start doing these treatments and so forth, uh that's going to affect what we meet as far as D is concerned. I mean, if our last sanitary survey, did
we meet the redundancy standard? Yes, because we could survive with Lancaster or or Keys, right? So, short. Yeah. So, we're going to we do currently meet it. I don't see a reason to leave that in there, but if
depending upon how we treat things, that's going to change our redundancy standard. So, so I I don't want to give people false hope that we're Oh, don't worry. We don't need to do it. We're all set. We are all set right now, but as we start to go through this, how
is it going to affect what D would consider our redundancy? Correct. So, so if we just treat kings well, the redundancy is gone. There's zero, right? Right. They're they're going to make it mandatory that we're going to have to do something. Right. I agree with we don't need the
redundancy in there. I think it's it's fairly leading to to something that's just not necessary. It's right. That's what I felt. I felt it's leading to a conversation that that people will have saying, well, we're all set now. Yeah. But where we're going, we're not going to survey is our future is not right
now. It's our future. Right. uh how much are they willing to pay for additional redundancy? I don't again that that's that's the same thing, right? So we're going to have to do what we're going to have to do based on D requirements. Yeah.
So that no whole neck section was Yeah. The red can we just mix out the redundancy? That's what that was my my intention because I I do think I do think it's important but I think the whole redund Oh, you want the whole block gone? That that's how I feel about this.
The whole block. the whole block. I don't want to ask about redundancy. I would I would agree because it's not the individual's choice. It's not my choice. Oh, it's a D. It's a D. It's a regulatory thing. So, I I would kind of agree with you that yes,
it's important. Yes, we're going to have to discuss it. Yes. You know, but but as a it's not a choice for the residents to make. It's what we're going to be required to do from D. Yeah. So, we're just going to NYX that whole block. I just I don't Once again, yeah,
I know we're all have our minds on different things, but this is really just to get how how's the community feel? What's important? Yeah, I I agree. And this is this is still a lot. So, right. Yeah. Yeah. Wherever we can reduce it. So, then keeping this whole thing crossed on the next page because that
all tied to keeping this all gone, right? Uh yeah, the cost thing like everybody's concerned about cost. I don't You concerned about cost like yeah on everything in my life
not triple my water. Yeah. All right. So the PAS Yep. Um so as written I'd like to I don't think we need the two the the note is uh LW8.
I think it's I think this I really actually kind of like this graph or the block there. I should say graph u I think it gives a lot of information if you you know range of detection level oh okay it's giving us 21 22 or 23
or 25 May and October so oh I should put May and October 2025 20 23 uh 2024 so actually we just did Lancaster so I we can update that yeah u actually
we're going to have to change because we don't we don't really test individual sources and I want to go through those with you guys too because we got we just did testing. All right. So, why don't we him and I will work on updating updating updating. We need to Yeah, we need to make this easy to read and
all right. All right. So, the do you have the knowledge or understanding of PAS like I think it kind of needs to be rewarded a little bit, right? Maybe not knowledge or understanding. I like the question to to see if people
have even heard of it, right? Are you aware? Are you aware of what it is and the side effects of it or or the Yeah, we'll Yeah. Yeah. cuz we'll re reward that one,
right? Yeah. Something to like, you know, the I don't want to call it an epidemic or anything or like the the recent rise in concerns with Pass or something to that effect like uh you know, there's definitely people that they have no idea what it is. Oh, yeah. You know,
and did we have a definition? Yes. Yes. Yes. Right above that. Um, so here's a here's a quick thing. Wouldn't you put that just before PAS? Because it's kind of like giving somebody the answer to a test before you give them the test. Yeah.
Yeah. I like that because if you ask, have you heard of it? No. And are you aware? And then you do an explanation of it. And then you ask, well, how concerned about it? All right. I mean, I was really good at trying to maximize what I could get out of a test in school. So, I might go back and
change my answer, but you're getting a a legitimate answer if you're asking the question before you tell them about go with that. What do you think, John? Perfect. He's not John doesn't like this thing. And I
know. Yeah. All right. So, yeah, that you know, that's just kind of a Yeah. just uh you know because we have done a lot of you know like outreach and engagement on PAS you know through the last campaign with with ARA funds and like did it gain any track traction with the with
the with the average citizen aluminum you know all right yeah move that over there and then you how concern concerned you with your passing your drinking water not concerned slightly concerned okay
water treatment options So I mean I think this is where well that that's kind of a water treatment option options. I mean so what are the water treatment options? Well so you know how so so it says here that the water the little water district has distilled it strategy to three
scenarios. I almost would like to maybe expand on that sentence a little more. I mean being like the Lunberg water district has explored like many different co of actions to
to to treat our water. We have we have you know through research found that these three options seem to fit the needs of the town financially. It's well to that effect. You know, I I think I think that sentence needs to just uh
emphasize a little bit more of all the work that you know, we've all done here before we just didn't Right. Not us, but research and testing and pilot studies. Correct. Yeah, I like that. Research, testing, pilot studies and cost.
Um, well, I mean, it depends. But, you know what I'm saying? Maybe just explain that a little bit more that these three options aren't just something we just over multiple years of research testing pilot studies. These are the three scenarios, best scenarios,
whatever that we picked. And these aren't like we picked these engineering firm. Well, maybe that's what you're trying to that's what I'm trying to get across. It's not something that we just said, hey, look, one, two, three. This is the what the we have the researchers who
hydrogeeologists or whatever we want to call Tai and bond people hydro smart people have said this would be the most cost effective uh solutions these are these are the these are the
options that we have to cover reasonable or I don't know something to that effect we can work on that but you know it all it All comes down to the treatment that you're going to use depends on how much money they want to spend. Well, absolutely right.
I mean, that's the whole nut of the There's more I know. But there's multiple layers to this. Like, I agree. Oh, yeah. I understand that. But you're not going to do anything without any money. Right. Thanks, Dave Rogers. He'll love that. His name is right here. I don't mean that disrespectfully, Dave.
He's right. I get 100%. All right. These recent years improve water quality, protect community health and econ economic de development opportunities. Economic development opportunities. Can someone explain to me why they because
I'm just going where the water protecting economic development opportunities. I would I I don't I just don't really like that wording. It's just me. Uh, I would rather see something in the areas
like protect the future of Lunberg or forecast our needs down the road or I think that's what she's kind of economic development, you know, like a development. Sounds like we're developing the town. That's what that sounds like in a community health and
future needs for the community or something like that. You put that in there. Are we still I kind of went back to Are we still Well, he hasn't even gotten there. We're at war. I'm sorry. He's still in the word. Oh, you're still in the word. The page. Yeah. Yeah. I would appreciate it if you
didn't turn the page. Sorry. I'll stay right behind you. I'm okay with the rest of Once again. This is a three-part conversation. I know Mark's on page 10, but that's okay. Anyway, yeah, maybe we can put a little something in there.
All right. Um, now the next page. Okay. We have three scenarios, I think. Yeah, I've looked at this so many times. I'm okay with the three scenarios. Everything is listed on there. The the only thing I'm I'm thinking on this page
is when you're looking at the the the wording at the bottom um where it talks about the drinking water state revolving fund. I don't want somebody assuming that we've already,
you know, do we need to put in what what that could be for a savings or just having that there alone. It's not that's not the number for scenario one. If we get the funding that we were approved for before this would be much less.
Correct. Well, so funding I just scenario is end of because I actually my page here but um so what don't you like about that? I'm I just want to the reason we were looking
at scenario one initially was because we could get the funding and we were looking at affordability because that funding isn't going to be there forever and it would give chance chances for other types of funding to
because more funding is going to be needed. There'll be other things opening up, but there currently isn't anything for scenario two or scenario three. Correct. Correct. My mind stops. So it starts when
when you when you look at this, people kind of get a false sense right at the top because because there is save that money. Sorry. And what would that what do we need to put in what that could be for for
savings? The reason I'm focused there is because of the 0% funding, the principal forgiveness we're going to get. That's that's a huge part of that budget and it's not available anywhere else. I think that principal forgiveness is
gone. Okay. Get that. So then we're just looking at 0%. So the two numbers are there. Should we have a possible savings of 0% or is that not even there? It's the 45 million or 73.
That's right. It's right above. Okay. Yeah. 45 million 73. Okay. Yep. No, you're right. If you look underneath the sentence you were reading, not applicable. Okay. It says scenario one is eligible for 0% and it got cut off. The rest of that sentence on the next page, the level Pass exceeds 10 points per
trillion. Scenario two and three are not considered eligible because of the Passes on C. I get it now. Yeah, that kind of So, you should have read ahead another page. I should have read ahead and I would have been all set. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. All right. So, I clean that up. Yeah. I I think obviously when the
survey goes out, it's going to be, you know, these will be group. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is all Okay. All right. So, we'll go with that. Good with that, Mark. Yep. Can Can we just discuss scenario four? The one that they they question us. I mean, just just just so they can see if
the whole number amount. Um, well, I mean, yeah, we could put it so that it's Well, not put it in so you can see it because, but I mean, just say it so people know. We're talking the most out of out of all. Yeah, it's 103 million to do their scenario, the scenario four that they was talking
about, which is that's all. Yeah. And then then there was the issue of the land area. We'd have to buy more land, right? And once again, that that's 103 million. That doesn't include us having to do another pilot test and seeing how
our is made of. So and your on andm costs are at 1.2 million. Yeah. So that was the other thing you know your your annual operate. You know the other ones were 275ings
with the PAS. You know all that was 1.7. This is 103 million plus a 1.2 million annual operating and maintenance. I don't understand how that goes down. It does from scenario five. So scenario five
because you're you're combining the but you know what I'm saying like the 1.7 million that the scenario five the keen 123 plant that was with the pas and softening and now uh adding lancaster to that I
just I just can't understand how that would go down you still have to do the pas and softening but now you're adding this other needless to say there's no need is that is that in that scenario six is that including softening. Yeah. So, we really need to Yeah,
we can't afford I could see I could see how it goes down uh a little bit because you're you're introducing water that's not you know when you dilute them together, you're not your hardness goes down. So, you you may see your overall uh operating cost go down.
Needless to say, I don't really want to spend a ton of time even talking about but we said the number we said the number. I just I just don't think it's I'm open to further discussion, but I just I don't see that. Okay. So,
uh moving on. Uh consider three scenarios. Boom. Boom. Boom. All right. So, I don't I I don't want research investigating additional options scenarios. I just We've already looked at every I feel like we've done this to nause
you. Yeah. Hey, look at the the u I'm on the page with all the blue on it. Yeah, the scenario survey. I've been looking at that. I'm not going to ask you what your opinion is because
right now I don't want to know. But do you have an opinion about the three scenarios? Are you le leaning towards one? Well, I'm sure you're leaning towards one of the one of the three. Yeah. But I mean, I don't want to know what it is because you don't have to tell me right now. But I'm just thinking I mean
is have you gone see I've been going through all this I I don't see any I don't see any way to do this right except for the scenario that I'm thinking about and I'm sure you probably thinking about the same one. Look, I'm going to tell you right now that I feel
that in a matter of years in Lunberg that uh scenario one and scenario three at some point all these sources have to get treated. And I'm going to say I'm going to make it up, but over the next 20 years,
we're going to need all the we're going to need PAS. It's not just going to be one. It just my assumption. Don't think scenario three. I think be scenario one and scenario two because I don't think we can treat for the softening of the wall.
I don't I didn't I meant yes. Yeah. So, but that's just once again I mean you know we're here to at the will of the people kind of just trying to make the right choices for I mean that's just how I see it.
How I want to see it is that those numbers you give us next have zero PAS and we throw all this stuff out and we go on. I mean, I think the whole thing sucks to be honest with you, but we have to we have to guide the ship as best we
can. Is is there any way to to get this all together and leave out anything like the hardness or the odor, the least problematic about the whole thing and in the end maybe take care of that little
problem with an indoor I mean with a a treatment plant of their own, a filter of their own in their house. No, we don't want to do anything. No, they can't. Do you want one in your house, John? Huh? Do you want one in your house? Well, if I could save $10 million, I might.
So, but I mean, that's not that's You want one in your house? You be humping salt down there or whatever you got to do. You need to Who knows what? By the time we get this thing through, they might have a nuclear plant yourself. Right. Well, I'm just Right. I'm just saying. So, in 10 years, is that what you're going to be doing?
I'll be dead in 10 years. Okay. I don't care what happens in 10 years. All right. But let's just say you're not. Let's say you're alive and you're still over there. Yeah. You don't care watch a Wheel of Fortune and you got to go down there. and put some stuff in here. I just like I I
don't think it's I don't want to put that burden on. No, I'm just saying you're not going to get from the people in this town everything you want on this page or everything you would like. They're not going to spend the money. Okay. But but we can get their guidance
on which one to proceed like. Okay. Yeah. Well, I mean, are we going to like their guidance on? No. Well, what about at the end of the day, they have to vote on this. So, instead of us coming up like, you know, last time it fell flat on its face. Let's face it, you know.
So, I'd rather I'd rather re-engage this with the support of the town being like, this is what we want to see you guys do and then we will try our best to, you know. But what I'm trying to say is pick pick
the most important. I mean, I know it's all important, but you're not going to get it all. You're just not going to get it all. Okay. That's why I think this scenario is Yeah. pretty handy. Which one? Uh this I think this whole So do I. But you go you go on and you
look at scenario number one on the top there. Hickory Hills and Lancaster Avenue. Wells combined treatment. I mean, what else is there? So I I guess the thing is is that the one the one portion of this that still gets me a little concerned is scenario two.
If you ask me scenario two which is Keing's PAS treatment only not touching the hardness. I don't think that's an option but that but that's again that's up to the the the voters to decide.
Okay. Unfortunat unfortunately there's no regulatory currently there's no regulatory so again that can change but currently there is no regulatory stuff for us for hires correct so that's kind of up to the
public currently there is regulatory stuff for PAS and we have to meet the the supply demand of the public And we in order to have the redundancies and
what D is asking for. I would agree with you that at some point every source we have is going to be treated. But where do we where do we start? So you to me there's there's two avenues here. I love the third avenue of treating hardness, but I don't think that the
there's going to be the the stomach with the for everybody to do that when you're talking affordability. Sure. Okay. So, let's wipe that out. We have scenario one and scenario two that are going to be done over the next 20 years in order to meet what D's requirements are for
our water source. So, to me, the public's got to vote on number one or number two to start and know that another one is coming not far behind it because we aren't going to meet redundancy with one source.
All right. So, but the problem I kind of have is with scenario two, which is not treating the harness is like in all good faith sitting on this side of the table like I I I can't sign off. It's like it's like we're all buying hard hats, right? and
all of a sudden all these manufacturers kind of like here's one for third less than everybody else like oh great let's go buy all those and all of a sudden you find out that like ah they really didn't pass the test but you know like they're not as good and and so what happens is I feel that if if scenario two went online
we would be backpedaling to try to deal with this hardness issue that is now out of control what it is right you know so that's why I so if anybody's going to sit here I've looked at this block a gazillion times, but if it was my first time, I'd
be like, cost 73 38. I'm going to take 38. It's the first thing I'm going to do. Yeah. But it's it's not apples to apples. It's like that's where I kind of have a little bit of a knot in my stomach about it because when this thing comes out to vote, as a commissioner, I will not vote for
that because it's it's going to be a problem. You're going to spend a ton of money up front. it ain't going to work and all that money you spent up front is going to be tossed away because you don't do it all. But I think this could be give us a little bit of answer
from people just a quick okay I'm going to fill this out but um hopefully by answering the few questions before about the hardness they could sit there and answer hardness is horrible at my house. I am so extremely concerned about it and then they're going to pick scenario two
and then that's when we have to go all right they are extremely concerned about it. Yeah, they pick scenario two because they pick the cheapest because it's not where it's not and that's up to the public to decide. But that's where they you need to educate them. That's where the next
I would love to treat the hardest. I think it is very important to treat the hardness, but it it it's a huge you know it's a huge dollar amount and that's where you know hopefully we gain I guess for the for the purposes of this survey let's push on with this. Yeah, we can have a we can have a discussion
about this. It just I feel like if you this should be like a footnote like scenario two will cause your hardness to increase double will double the hardness of your water like I feel like that should be in there. So is there somewhere well benefits
benefits and concerns elevates it's it's in here under benefits and concerns it eliminates PAS benefit but again it elevates the hardness issues. Uh that's a that's a concern and and in doing it it's a limited redundancy.
Well, only you know. Well, all right. So, like Yeah, that's it's just not it's it's not bold enough. Yeah. For me, but but I I agree with you. Yeah. Uh but our intent here was not to guide people. You are correct. You are correct. But I agree. They they I don't think I
don't think they're going to they're going to pick that up. I think they're going to pick that up. I think they'll come out and say it. your your hardness for if you have concerns with hardness now, it's going to be double what it's going to be worse. I think that should be in there. If you're concern you have concerns with hardness now, scenario two will double the hardness of the water in your
It's almost maybe we put this out. Like I said, we'll get the results. We have a lot of people concerned about it. They picked this. Then we go the next step. Okay, these are the results. We need to let people know. We had a lot of people really concerned about hardness. Now, we
need to let you know majority hypothetically scenario. Now, we need to let all of you know by these two things you're saying you're already concerned. This is going to now make it double concern. I want I don't want to say elevates. I want to say doubles hardness
issues. I like it. And then but we also got the educational piece that's going along with this. But then we go so we can we can dive into that a little more side of things. Okay. Okay. Well, yeah. If it's going to double double, so the next last page, we're just taking
off the rearch taking that off and the additional scenario. Yeah. The additional scenarios. All right. Yeah. Okay. All right. We'll clean this up. Let's clean that up and then another draft. Did another draft. That was painful.
Did it. Any takeaways from that? No. All right. Good. All right. Uh, next commissioner, superintendent clerk. Okay. So, I got two things to go over. Uh, first we'll go over the well testing. So, the well testing kind of we
changed up the game plan of the well testing. So, the original walls were only 90 ft deep. The kid wells 90 ft deep. So when that well was put in and we did the the test balls all around that the pump test we we observed a confining lay so sand and gravel up top
then went through a clay impermeable barrier and then went back to sand and gravel. We're in the lower section. So the well testing we're doing right now is in the upper section and our hopes were to get less hard water and we'll see how things go. Maybe we do
some heat samples. So we're going to see if we can do something different there. But the downside is we're not going to get the capacity waters that we had down below. So we're working okay, right? When you say not get the capacity, you talking like half the
capacity or less or I'm going to guess a third the capacity. Okay. 300 gallons a minute. And we all know that this is just as like a semi backup. Not this is not like a new well or anything like that. It's just No, it would be a new source, right? Yes. So that's kind of the issues we
have with land area of where we have to land. So it's not it's not a simple little thing like hey we just put these walls to go. So it' be a new source manifold system smaller radius. Yeah. But but yeah in no way I'm saying this is how we're going to go.
Just just we're just doing a test because we can do it easily. Yes. We're trying to we're looking at all our options. If we can if we find a source down there a third the capacity. No heat fast no hard water. We're good to go. You know, right? It doesn't solve LER's problem, but I
mean, it would help, but it gives us a source. Yes. Gives us a source without spending three $30 million. Absolutely. So, so we're trying. So, just totally hypothetical. Let's just say that that worked. Let's just say we pump this thing. It's got low PAS
numbers. It's got low hardness numbers. We can blend that. Can we blend that with the deep pump? Yes. So, that that's kind of was part of our plan, too. That was part of the discussions. Uh so so do you well pull up? Yes, that was part of the plan, but
we're already testing the hotness now. Yeah. So we when we do the well, we're testing it. So right now the heating well has a hardness level of 220. Extremely high. The test wall we just did uh the first one was 140. So
better, way better. And then the next one was 160. So it's still better, but uh so it's not going to be a you know blending is a cutting it in half. Just just curious like what's Lancaster
at? What's Hicks? 30. Oh, okay. All right. Hicks is 40 and even before Kings, we would get complaints of the hard water. So when you when you wash your vehicle Yeah. and you let it dry, you don't dry it. You see the white dots? No, I know right where it is.
Nice. So like right now like we're watering the grass out there and I park my vehicle too close. I have a white skimmer on my window that you know it takes a while to get off. So anyway, so yeah, so we're looking at other options. So even if we can find a source, but the PA pass is
good. Y lower capacity and uh it's it's something we can at least move forward. Have you checked the hardness of keeping since we put it online? It it stayed the same.
It has not increased or anything. No, but it goes by the flow. You know, when we did the pump test, it was 200, 220, 250. It was it was right up there. And when we did the pump test, it was continuous flow, thousand yards a minute
for 15 days. The hardness was actually dropped. So that's that was why I said that I think it was last year. I said, "Well, we're going to run it fast, try and get it, but we we don't we don't pump 1,000 gallons a minute continuously 15 days, right?"
Uh so we it never never really shows. So that's on the wall. We're working on other options. I mean, whatever we can. So uh so the other thing I was going to bring up, we just did Pass sampling for
the my cast ra wells. Now it's the how we operate the wells. We operate wells two and five together and wells one and four together. So now we tested those as a blended sample. So uh wells two and uh well five well five is actually 07g.
Uh the pa pfoa uh came back at 4.94. So the maximum out was four. So that those two didn't will not pass the pass. And then we did sampling of wells one
and four and the P4 in that one was 4.24 and the total P6 was 6.5 which that won't be a requirement in the future. They're going to look at the P4 cost numbers. So which are about four per.
Yeah. Or above four. Seems to be pretty consistent now. Yeah. We've done this before these numbers. They don't seem to be drifting. We're not going to get lucky. They drop.
And then that rolling average mentioned in there, they should be zeros. When I talked to GP, it was above two. If it was lower than two, then it would be zero. I guess that they're getting pretty accurate and reading the levels above two. So I think those on the
federal side to mass DP, I think mass DP is going to be on the rolling average. That'll be it's less than two. It was less than four. It's less than four. Federal zero. But it doesn't matter. Less than four.
Yeah, these are all four. Not not the good news. Like you were saying zero. I think the good news if there's going to be any is over. But we do have wall number four. Well number four passes. Yeah. Right now. How close is that one?
That one's really low. It's actually less than one. So if you do a rolling not detect, but that's not how you run it, right? That Yeah, I got to show I got to print these shots for you guys. So you can see the water level in your well starts and it's a constant draw. So if you say,
"Hey, you got to run that thing for a week straight. You're going to you're out of water." Probably like this time you need to probably be out of water in three days. Okay, great. Thanks for bringing it down. Anything else? Nothing.
Yeah, I guess something. Are we going to have public comment first? Yeah, that's I'll uh I'll tell you what's on your super commission. Yeah, that's we're in your section then. Okay. All right. If you don't want to talk now, I'll talk later. No, I'll I'll talk. I'm not afraid to
talk. Why not? I was down over the Hickory Hills Wake Lake well last week. The canoes are still there. Mhm. All right. Now, we've got our 400 ft restricted area. Canoes are still on the
400t restricted area. They're a PAS contributor as far as I'm concerned because they're fiberglass and plastic canoes and that's where the PAS comes from. Are we going to get them off of our 400 foot restricted area or are we going to leave them there?
No, I will re-engage with that. That is a bit my fault. I know you had emailed me about talking they want to meet back out there or something. No, that was that was a that was a while ago because we had said let's hold off because they hired I
forget what the the thing is what his name or whatever he's called. Um hired somebody to consult. They reached out to D. D then called. I think you have spoken to them a couple times and I thought they were gonna have D was gonna have a meeting. Yeah.
You know what, John? That's a good point. And I started that process and I'll re-engage with it. I'll talk D is not going to do anything. They're going to talk about it. It's it's up to us. It's in our easement. We got all the rights in the world to do whatever we want without any
engagement from D or not. It's a 400 foot restriction and I think you know I mean we've got drinking water there. We're talking here all we've talked about for the last few years is PAS. Well, there's a PAS contribution right there sitting on our wells almost. Let's
get them out of there. I will I will re-engage with that. That has been my fault. No, that's Woody. I don't blame you. I know. No, no, no. I mean that like we had started pros with them and I know some things kind of went back and forth. we had set a deadline. So, let me I'll get
with you on that. I mean, if any, if anybody else had that problem in town somewhere with a, you know, if we had a bunch of canoes or anything down at the Lancaster or Katies, I mean, they would definitely go. I don't know why these these are still here. I mean, I'm trying to
protect that well because that well, as far as I'm concerned, is going to go online someday. Someday it's going to go online. I agree. right here. Do you have any public comment? Mr. Gr
compliment Paul Grund 35 John Street in a discussion with a neighbor was complaining about his water bill. Why he thinks he comes to me, I have no idea because I told him I come to the meetings. Well, he was complaining about the $25 sir charge.
So I said, "Well, did you look at the last bill?" "No." "Well, there's a compliment. it's gone down. And so I told him to go back and look at it and he did and he didn't have anything more to say.
So you said that it would go down and it did go down. Do they read their bills? Apparently not. Did he know what it was for? That that was a another con, you know, another discussion that I didn't mention
before. I had to sit down and explain it to them again. So, I guess I'm a part of your committee and didn't even know it, you know, but they're not they're not they're not with the survey what I'm getting at this is a damn good idea.
Yeah. Because unfortunately, there's people out there that they're not paying attention. And like I say, for the majority, I'd be one of them. I I gota the last thing I'm thinking of is is like the water like until it's shut off like
well you expect the water supply to be safe hopefully this survey will grab a couple concerned citizens and just you know maybe put the light on where it's just a it's we're all different parts in life you know what I'm saying if you young
kids running around everywhere like gez crows worry about other things not the water and and just one One more thing on that survey. Are you going to leave enough space for comments? I think we should.
That's a good suggestion because it's not a yes or a no. Or maybe maybe I I hope I'm not opening up the door because the comments might be sitting in there. Oh, I'm sure that I'm I'm sure that you know maybe I'll
even offer to help you with some of the comment section, Kristen. How's that? Okay. But if they had any additional questions that they still don't understand, I think it's great. Absolution. Okay.
Yeah. Thank you. You're welcome. Um I have nothing to add. Guys are doing a great job. That's all. Need anything else? Let's hear.
I've heard a motion to adjurnn. So have I. No motion to adjourn.