##VIDEO ID:bPVcWDKnDF0## ladies and gentlemen good evening this is uh the lenberg Water District commissioner meeting uh for January 8th it's uh 400 p.m. let us start by saying pled ofg to the flag of the United States of America to the for stands one nation under God indivisible liberty and justice for all oh the side piece sorry about that Dave oh my switch it up we have let me get that some meeting for you to peruse take a look at come right in folks see she's coming back with another CH it's all right I charge 5 Jeff what's that Jeff yes he helped uh Terry came he sold you called me up today yeah I mean fig that was just before wood time yeah you know and it was a convertible CH okay we switch y Swit fight where's our esteemed other member of uh the board right here oh oh on vacation he's on vacation yeah y yeah yeah I can't really blame him I can't blame him well we tried to have the meeting where he's at but was for that we couldn't get a flight stay in the missionary you know what I would have had my own Parish by now and everything jail I was thinking the same thing that's what happens when you take one of those Hooked on Phonics closes he's going to read everything very th do me I am joh don't say it yes just come here for time yeah yeah my wife wanted me to do some work around the house December 1824 okayo [Music] okay uh we have Mr meller here with our review of our fiscal year 23- 24 take it away Mark okay so um welcome uh just going through the audit uh just to let you guys know um we did the audit of the June 3024 financials and um the water district did receive what's called an unmodified opinion which means um that we were able to obtain sufficient audit evidence on all the accounts that we did test um to come to that opinion um so that's good that everything's you know all the books and records are in order um and then uh going from there I mean just going through some financial highlights um I I did put together a little a management little management Report with variances um and if you look um I'm just going to start right on the balance sheet which um if you look at the top uh looks like you know you have right now at the end of the year a significant uh increase in cash over over the prior year roughly about 2.4 million dollar um but the flip side to that is you also took out some short-term borrowings which um you know increased your debt by about 2.3 million so it's a wash but however by you know having that cash on hand um the district was able to earn you know roughly about $25,000 in interest on a shortterm and you know short-term investing that money so um and and the money was borrowed to um Finance the water main project on massav so so you're see it on one side where we had the money so that's why you're seeing it that's why you're seeing yeah at the end of the year right the money at at June 30 remember the you know the financial statement date it's one day in time that's it you know it's the numbers on that so so exactly that point at June 30th you had that cash on hand in the banks yeah I just so I just want people to know that the money just Happ been we have a great year well that's right and I did I did not I did note that um I did put some variance analysis in the management report in in that um okay so then the second big variance uh is your water Revenue um that increased by roughly $434,000 this year um and part of that um was mainly due to uh the new water rate clearing system that was put in place in January of 23 um as a matter of fact looking at the gallons pump you actually pumped less gallons in fiscal year 24 than 23 but the revenue increased so um obviously that's um you know good for operations um you have you know positive net income at the end of the year and and that that that net income does go to uh fund for future operations um but when you look to your balance sheet you're going to see uh flipping back to the first page you're going to see that accounts receivable has increased by 200 roughly $26,000 and that's not surprising obviously as people owe you more money your receivables are going to increase um so going from there the uh next thing we you know next one is uh is wages if you look at all the wage lines and the expense on the expenses they they've all increased um and that's that's normal uh when we looked at the budget it it appeared that there um it's going to be 4% um increase in wages for fiscal year 63024 um but and you you can see that the uh percentage is a little higher than 4% but what you have keep in mind is that the 4% is just on base salary um that does not include you know on call amounts or emergency amounts or overtime amounts um so that was one of the increases um uh then we looked at the other increase that was uh that we work on is the uh pension expense and the oped benefit expense and unfortunately the the amounts that you actually see in a profit and loss okay are Actuarial determined amounts so they don't even they don't represent the actual cash outlays that the uh that the water district spent okay and um so with regard to the district's required pension contribution uh that amount was roughly $86,000 and when you look at the pension expense um it was $117,000 so a part of that is to report your current years's portion of the future pension liability so so if you if you look each year uh your net pension liability goes up or up or down depending on the calculations um and you pick up a piece of what you're going to pay in future benefits on an annual basis even though it's not the cash outlay the actual cash outlay but it it gets reflected in the next year of what well they'll make they'll make a whole new determination next year and the P expense could go the pens expense could go down it could go up depending on you know the earnings of the plan and everything else so I just wanted to point that out to you um and that's about it for the major variations from last year to this year so we're doing all right you do you're doing it right yeah those were the those were the significant significant variations between last year's amounts and this year's amounts so I I don't know if anybody else has any extra I mean I don't really have any questions I mean there's there's a lot of just uh I guess for the you know for the general public both people that probably care about this is just uh there's just some numbers that kind of jump out at me just just in the operation of the water department in general it just it's just life it just goes up and it just this report shows it pretty good I think um um some of the big I mean if you look at just total operating expense um you know went up right $300,000 in the year you know so I mean that's just it's right and so there there are there are some unique expenses correct the pilot studies pilot Etc but you look at like well interestingly professional fees went down right but just uh if you just take a g a good one here would just be um supplies in general operating I mean it's up 50% % it just right you know I mean I know corrosion control you know that's up everything kind of just creeps up and it's I don't want some people just think oh you guys up the rates and you got an extra $400,000 or yeah oh no all very expenses are all all across the board so no it's a very it's a great bird's eye view this report to see uh you know without going to to Beyond detail like were how these categories are broken down and where the money went you get what I'm saying so but also in always remember this too in in operations of any business in some years you know in in every one of these expense categories y right some years you you know you may have a lot of repairs to make right and then you You Fix You Fix you make all the repairs and next year on repairs right because you you know there's everything's in good working order right you just know routine maintenance versus you know repair so no it's yeah but I mean as far as you know I see it in every one of the businesses that I write financial statements for or audit um you're going to see you know obviously every year your labor cost is going to increase your utility costs are going to increase you know telephone costs Insurance costs they're everything they're going going to increase every year that retirement well and and that's some of that is tied um obviously to the number of people in the pension plant and and that I suppose in any year could increase or decrease right um and that's not that's nothing you know the district doesn't control that because you're part of Wester County Retirement right um it also would depend on um how they invest their funds if it's a great return in the market right and the pool of money that they have to pay benefits increases then your liability and your expense and the required contributions that the district has to make would decrease um but it could go the other way if it's a bad year for Investments and the returns are low obviously they're going to expect you to put more money in so uh generally looking at it when I look at the variance all the way through I mean again except really for the um the the the really big cost drivers are the pilot studies that are being done and that's about $260,000 out of your uh you know your $320,000 increase so I think you guys are doing pretty well controlling expenses good job guys because I just don't see any major really you see it you're looking at what I'm looking at there's really no major fluctuations you know that means that that expenses are being controlled and and watched anything nothing from me hold on now hold on no I'm good see we have some public comment or probably public question sure I'll wait till the end but it's just about this yeah it's okay Mr Ro do you have a question yeah I do um at the beginning of your presentation yeah uh you you mentioned that you compared um uh this year's audit uh categorized with last year's uh categorized that's correct okay um do you all always do the same categories or do you mix them up uh uh so for presentation no the expense categories are the same year to year are you yeah um the question is really uh are we sure that we're capturing any deviations um by going and and looking at uh certain uh categories versus the same old same old so did you do the exact because the way I the way I classify everything yes because that's the way they did the exact same ones the year before this as well categ same categories year to year right and and my so underlying the categories that end up in the financial statement I would have a financial statement grouping report that pulls from your accounting program and groups groups accounts together to come up with these amounts but that is that is the same from year to year maybe to help with your question Dave is like if you go through this report I mean there's U subconscient corion Control Supplies these are all things that we'll use every year however uh like there's a separate line in here for Lancaster at Pilot study which will not be a normal year thing kick Hills Etc you know so anything outside of the norm of I would say regular operation I guess is highlighted in here but the other categories where we kind of routinely roll through over a year and compare it to the year prior to see how we doing hey uh you know like like you said uh repairs went up 50% this year that's CU we you know had a broken something so I I'm just concerned about uh making sure that we it's an audit uh they we we would pick up uh information on if there was something in a skew and unless you change the categories and how you look at them uh you wouldn't know that so if you do the same uh analysis with the same uh set of of expenses the the town uh got into a bit of a problem with that because they you know they uh they just did the same categories and it's not a big deal but if we uh uh I I just want to make sure that that uh but some categories don't really change like like uh what he was saying we're always going to buy chemicals yes so we are always going to have that line at corrosion control every year so I don't want to deviate from that because we want to be able to sit there and say in 2022 we spent this much on the chemicals for the well so so I think a lot of those categories if you looked at this sheet a lot of those categories are our day-to-day operation those are never going to change change so those I think we all like seeing what that's going to happen and if there are different categories like he said we can add different categories in and that's where you could see the variance but I'm afraid if we if I were to create or change that that would escue how I think he would look at it and how we as the district would look at it because we need to know we buy chemicals every year right what do we spend on chemicals don't change it it's always got to go into that category if it gets misplaced placed then that's going to change our num so I think that's why I think for us that that works keeping a lot of our daily operations in in that same and I would also say you know looking at you know QuickBooks that you use for accounting I mean you're you're not they're not really adding new accounts on an annual basis you know maybe every year you might I'm not even saying every year yeah may you know when when the need arises you're going to add an account for for a new type of expense are you concerned about like um sorry I don't mean to uh like like maybe something getting an expense into the wrong category we're not looking at that no not not at all um I know I'm not explaining it right I think I think so maybe maybe what he Dave's trying to say is I what happens when we put together financial statement we take your trial balance right with all your accounts right and we put it into our we by account we put it in an account type in our system now some of those accounts are combined okay so like you know for repairs and maintenance you may have three underlying accounts yes that are then group together into this one account and I and right about following and I think he's asking are we looking at the variances in all of those sub accounts and the answer to the question is we do it in our accounting firm we look at those variances yes okay okay but you're you're not going to see the individual account variances in this report because some of from they be grouped together uh the other question I had was um uh the accounts um $200,000 in in uh um money that I owed to us interest was no I think no I think we're talking about I think you talking about the increase in accounts receivable yes yeah that I wouldn't find that abnormal being that the water rates increased because obviously every bill every bill that goes out is for a larger amount okay so so just you know in at any at any given time um there's a a quarter of a quarter of the year that's waiting to be collected so obviously if those bills are larger right to begin with over what was in the same quarter the prior year your receivables are going to grow just that's part of it but uh I guess the the concern I have simply stated is uh are the are the um um numbers increasing are people more and more people not able to pay their their their bills and therefore that number increases um follow no I I understand what you're saying um that's delinquent delinquencies and um as far as I recall um even in Prior years the district was making a much greater effort at collecting um back money that was owed to them MH so I I do feel that the increase is very much tied to the increase in rates I do know we we reviewed some of that when we were looking at some of them and there are a couple just for a couple big accounts that that put some big numbers into it you know such as a few restaurants that did not pay and ended up leaving and closing shop and now they owe thousands to us and Sewer you know so unfortunately those have become a little bit of longterm that's exactly what I'm talking about yeah so so we did we sat and we went through them you know what are these what are these and yep you know we we have had because of the raise rise of that I think some of them have become on payment plans they're on their payment plans we have terms for them so that follows through which I believe we are doing a lot better about collecting and following through with payments stuff like that but yes there are a few there were a few big accounts that really put a dent in that for have have we um put sufficient um notifications on those accounts oh yeah so that if they're if they're sold the business is sold we get paid yes yep yep y good so if it's considered a m Municipal lean we don't have to physically put in a lean but it's uh Municipal bill is a lean so no matter what it's it's never going away it's going to get paid yeah we just have to wait a little longer to together it y um you mentioned about uh what's the county retirement yes um uh what what are they currently uh receiving uh for uh income as a percentage uh oh I would have to go back and look at their reports yeah I don't I don't have that that information with me okay yeah I would have to go back and um and see I mean it there are disclosures um they us they used to send through a report so no I I understand and I do include so roughly you know the assets that they're holding are returning uh basically anywhere from 2.4% up to 7 7% okay depending on asset class okay um and I would assume you know they probably have some risk in in their portfolio but they obviously don't want to take you know a substantial risk and wind up losing a couple million dollars but the Market's gone up and they they I'm sure they use instruments that are are tracking the market yep so I mean I I mean if you you know not to I I don't want to take up too much time for everybody but just to say um like they their asset class is like Go Global equities fixed income or fixed income real estate Timber and uh you know things like that so and the obvious inference from my perspective is is that that's Po and posle of what we're going to use for retirement the returns oh absolutely so well sure and depending on what those returns are that's going to uh Drive the cost to the district right that's that's why I asked yeah okay that's all I have thank you sir nothing else great job mark thank you thank you thank you all right moving on Mr Dion Hi how are you good how are you very good 13 oh well you can skip yeah let's I mean yeah let's skip over it to him uh we're going to go on to discussion with 136 M regarding Bill come on nice to be seen I'm letting you do all the talking here sit next door oh I'll just stay right back here um I guess I I've only got two questions one is how many gallons are in a cubic Cub foot 7.48 W yeah so that's a lot of water yeah her bill before was 1100 cubic feet this one's 5900 cubic feet and I I guess so that that's a lot of water on a septic system I would think see water bubbling out of the back yeah but and my other question is do those meters ever screw up uh if they do it's it's in your favor just so you they get slugish yeah they get they SL as they wear be they become less accurate on on well I I just wondered if I mean this number just jumped so much I mean there's no toilets running uh you know I didn't see any water running out building I I just how much how many showers would it take to do that this I mean we've sat on the side a million times and and presidents have come in and I see it and it's there's a leak that i' see a leak no you wouldn't hear a toil leaking I would say 90 95% of the time we go to a house toilet was leaking and when we get there the toilet's not leaking because people already fixed it or it's not working but if you the toilet tank toilet tank off you can actually see the water line and it's over the tube where it drains through you you can't hear that do I need a PR uh no your PR's correcting because whatever whatever was going on isn't anymore cuz we read the meter and you haven't used any water wow okay I mean in my house if my toilet's running I can hear it I can hear water running I I mean I look at I I I I I I hear you you know We're All in This Together I I look at some of these and people come in like man like like if I got that bail i' be like what happened I have a sprinkler system or something else I mean there's thank God it does I'm not on S oh yeah I know had a stroke yeah uh it's the unfortunately the meter it doesn't lie you know um we can do I think it does but well I think the thing is we sent our we we sent the guys out you know after we had spoke spoke with you in the office um and I think if we had seen the tough part is is not that you want the leak to continue but had it been continuing we we would have seen that we could have figured out where it was coming from but now you know at the bottom of this I wrote on here you know so the last read was done on 126 so almost exactly A month's worth of usage they're at 200 cubic feet which basically Falls in line so after 3 months they're back to 6 700 cubic feet what they were at so that's a tough part is that they're you're consistent now you're back to you've only used the or they have only used the 200 cubic feet in in the one month so I went from paying $136 which is fine to 513 because of a leak that I can't hear and can't see and I am responsible for that unfortunately yes I got a house over on lenberg I rented out the guy moved in there put a new toilet in and 3 weeks later I got a call there was no water it's a Well he ran the water he ran the well dry with the with the leak in three weeks I can understand that like I said you I can hear a leak it depending it depends on how the toilet's leaking I mean if it's just leing through the top of the balll down through into you wouldn't you wouldn't hear it Ste I mean like I all right all right you know look at I can't I mean I I can't change the meter obviously I can so just say the way the meter work it's a mechanical meter so the water it's a disc inside so the water has to pass through the spin the disc which spins to make it read and it where works on a magnet so so there's no way of spinning to this faster than the water going through I just didn't know if the meter itself could but it's a just mechanical so it's just a just mechanical means I worked on mechanical my whole life mechanical Brees but I just it just that that kind of number I mean I I just I mean it is what it is I understand I'm willing to if you went up in higher tiers to put it back down to the so what have put him into yeah so that would have been the second almost into the third tier yeah we can draw him to the first so the water rates increase the higher usage you have in you know uh don't for us we still provided the water you know like we have a cost associated with too but what I we can do is I mean I get it and I understand we we won't charge you the higher tier rates we're just going to charge you that flat tier one rate for the 500 whatever the cubic feet usage was 5900 so it'll drop that bill down some you know to so you will send me another bill or are you just going to tell me right now so I I got to do a little bit of math so she get some good math earlier do half yeah um I do have your phone number so so let me um when I get in tomorrow um run some numbers and I'll make some adjustments and everything and then once I adjust it on my end it it just doesn't on my end I can't actually create like a whole new one so what I can do is give you the new dollar amount and then we'll we'll work it out what I'm worried about is since we seems to be a Le anything I can't afford to pay $513 every month that was quite a shot but I open the bill yeah that's not in my budget so so it's it's it's for the three months it's not just for one month yeah which um I I do know with the Commissioners we have things set up um to make some payments you know this is not something obviously that you or most people would anticipate so we can talk tomorrow and we can figure out whatever is going to work to get okay the adjustment made and then we'll figure out what we can do for okay well thank you for listening I'm I'm just well that's the problem no you know I mean course I'm I'm not in that house so I don't know if I don't know if a toilet's tck I mean it's very possible but I would think that much water on a septic system no you I'm not going to speak this septic system but just I I mean if if you haven't found the leak I I would really be a hound dog on that because it's did the re right in this past month use that but I would just maybe let them the tenant aware of what had happened that something I mean I you know what I'm saying outside valve well there's only one outside SP if that was leaking you and Bill get a house this doesn't do the garage too does it it's just the house yeah the garage is it does the car lot but that's shut off oh right so yeah I well I appreciate it appreciate your time thanks guys for getting us send this quick yeah thank I'll talk to you tomorrow okay take care get yeah I know really thanks a [Laughter] lot service station yeah that's his son Ed de but Ste he is but the house that that t was the one that Eddie lived in well he rented that he rent that I bought my house oh no no uh Eddie s oh yeah used to work here yeah anyway yes we can go down we can go down BG Lane just a quick question just one though just one just one by changing the meter would wouldn't that help at all no we that's why I didn't say anything we're still getting accurate reads right now there's so we've done this in the past where some people have have questioned the meter and what we can do is we can pull that meter send it out to be inspected calibrated whatever you may want to call it uh and then if it's if it's in Fault we'll we'll own up to it but if if it's still at your fault you need to pay that expense of the removal the calibration Etc we've done that I didn't know that that's why I come operation so just so when you buy a new meter the accuracy is not even 100% 99.6% accurate accurate so we take a meter which we we just did one a few months ago we took it and uh was a resident towns road so we we took that and sent it for testing and it actually came back it was it 97% 98 so it you could see that it was to to their what you saying if it was off that would be the yeah okay so that that's one of the whole things like when when it comes time which we're getting close to to redoing the whole metor system that that's what you look at the Financial cost how much did it cost to do the whole meter program and what's your benefit of the added Revenue you're going to generate and a lot of times when you start weighing at out you could say hey let's let's spend $500,000 and replace the meas because you're going to get it back you know through the term through the life of that more accurate bills yeah yeah I mean we're send in 100 cubic feet and we're getting paid for 97 you know yeah okay you got you worked with it that was that was good that that was very good okay that was that problem thank you note that on my salary yes zero okay uh oh RF yeah let's uh open and review the RF lease for the cellular equipment we got none what I even called people called Verizon I I even called around I was hoping that you know they would kind of I know hey we tried yeah hey I was all excited about me too I was looking to bring in that's a huge money sauce for us I'm Bing for those are they taking it away no no we just have a spot available so we were trying to put it out there have people bid to put their equipment up there they have merged in the past so AT&T and C1 merged so we lost one of those and then uh T-mobile and Nextel Sprint merged so now we're down to just T-Mobile so on the chase tank we have AT&T and T-Mobile that's it so we had one time we had four carries up there yeah I was going to say I thought they had a Verizon at one time uh not on Chase Road Verizon's on Sunny Hill Road Sunny Hill Road yep so there's there's another tank we could we could do another RFP for that tank as well yeah I mean is there I can you read advertise this or I mean we we could but I mean even we we put it in the central Reg just there which exposed it even more we we didn't even need to we put it in there anyway uh wait yeah we can call around a little little more and we can redo it again I mean it's all it's all good the whole RFP the whole thing is all set we just change date yeah and and redo it again and if you want maybe we'll expand it to include the Sunny Hill Road tank as well we can fit one carrier yeah on Sunny Hill Road unless we do the Corral right yeah if we do a Corral can uh probably yep yeah I mean it's I mean I it's just uh the the more money we get out of that the better it just it you know uh so P yeah we kind of okay we tried yep yeah moving on uh commissioner superintendent cler additions you guys got anything sorry goad uh the only thing I got we we spoke to the pilot testing the company doing pilot testing keatings uh we we originally thought it was only going to be a couple more weeks he he said till the last week in February they they haven't uh went through the Breakthrough has the breakr and that'll give them the actual exact uh details okay any news from the engineers about anything uh no not on they're coming to the next next meeting right oh uh 2 yes yeah they they come in the 22nd and uh they want to just maybe run general information they're probably going to meet with you as the chairman just to do a baseline stuff and then uh present it to the board and to the residents for Hills yeah and Lancaster was it or general uh general information of everything but the focus was the final uh pilot testing report for Hickory and lanaster okay good that's one of my questions that was answer so uh just one other thing uh nothing TI to the pile testing uh well actually kind of is tied to pile testing Kings is running to waste continuously 24 hours a day uh so the whole water system's been running on Lancaster out y so we're starting to see some complaints of green water uh so that the Lancaster Wells that they have iron and mes and when you add chlorine because we chlorinate those Wells uh it gives you a little tint to Green so uh I don't know how to fix that you know so uh I mean we could we could back off the choring a little bit which is what I told the guys to back off a little bit and uh but it's not now that I said it people might say more but it it was uh like a larger scale usage where the guy was building the hockey r so you could actually see it okay uh you know uh just big Stu nothing to it it's just right yeah so it's and we can't we yeah yeah so another another little note uh we we we operate through a water management act permit from m d uh the last one we had I think expired expired like 10 years ago and uh they just kept it put in new regulations extended extended extended so any we last week we just received the official one for the next 20 years uh there are some things in there that are inaccurate but uh like for for Wells so behind well number two uh we we tried cuz one of two has water quality issues uh dirty water uh High Magan these bacteria and so we we attempted to put Wells all behind it to reload locate that and uh the uh testing came back so original capacity well Li was 190 gallons a minute the wells out back we tried to have that increased and uh there's some issues going on with mass DP and allowing us to get a acceptable pump rate so right now they had like 170 gallons a minute and uh which to to spend a million dollars to get 170 gallons M really isn't something that most people will beat looking yeah no I forward to doing any so that's the only thing that's in the permit the permit uh didn't give accurate information for for the pump rate so I'm not sure how that'll get addressed uh down the road so I mean if someone goes and say sees a water management management act permanent say well you got all this water but it's it's not AC okay that's all I got I feel like there's more there but that's okay for now uh the only question I had to you guys was um if you noticed in the warrant we've been paying which I meant to ask you ahead of time or them whatever the original amount is but we got charged the sewer vment for over at leisure even though we can't B anyways yeah so the sewer line doesn't even go in front of our property we like the meter readings for the for the so uh we we just give them to them we never charged them and then they charge us the betterment for the SE which doesn't even go in front of our building and uh we tried to have it removed it they would remove it so that's where the SE the metering fee came from so metering fee covers the SE B so they they're paying the B itself so so anyways the paid now no so that's my question is we just got the third fourth qu quarter bill and it's $645 on the warrant to pay this for 20 24 so I called and I just said what do we owe can we just get this paid because she said there's interest every year every month whatever the tax bills are it's roughly $1,700 can I get a payoff amount so that we can be done with this for the next warrant cover the that better will be paid and done debt paid to society and SE I'm okay with that yeah just we got to pay it regardless so well doesn't run by our property doesn't even go by front of so you know that little Street the that's actually true Town approved Road Water Street there was a sign there they just took I don't know why they took it down like two years ago that is a that is a legit Town Road if the SE line ran down Water Street then uh then we we could have been charge of the betterment for us to hook on to that se line we'd have to run it what three two or 300 ft down a Town Road and then into the building yeah now why are we going to pay a betterment on a SE line that doesn't go down the Town Road doesn't go in front of our property I I kind of agree with John here like if they want us to pay it run it down the street we're we're all friend I mean open up a can of worms that one make any sense I guess I how much was the original better like 11,000 10 or 11,000 yeah I understand paying a better but if it doesn't even go in front of our building or remotely close why is there so I'm kind of curious me like well it goes down lure so our address I some sometimes says 50 leure I mean we had changed it in the past to 50 Water Street where where is the Su is it goes down the and up the bus room bus line yeah the town doesn't own either that's not it doesn't go down that's that's a whole different that's going on right now but but does it so it does not go pass our building or doesn't uh it just goes on the does not when you take a right it doesn't go down there so we we so the only way for us to access that that water that sewer line is to go up the Water Street road to get to that tour but this was all F years of our building doesn't go down here at all it then right here yeah doesn't go down our street doesn't go down in front of our do we own this up to that property there you know what I'm saying like I no no because there's a set of bushes across here that this guy over here owns so I guess my question is and this is very exciting for sure but where is does our property line at the water district a but leure leure have right here because then I can see them saying well it a bust I I can see that argument I'm not sure how the tone the original Road yes the water district did own to ler okay but then when that taking was I think it was in the 1950s they made Water Street a town road so I'm not sure that took away our ownership to lour that little that little driveway that that DPW used to come oil and sand yeah but said they don't know any more about that than what we're talking about right now but they're going to send us a ability out and if they can prove to me that that sewer goes by our property maybe I'll consider pay but I'm not paying it at least we went through this 20 years ago when this started 20 so I mean we fought all this and there's no fighting it that's why we came up with the fee to pay for the me reads y this why it was just you're going to charge us for giving you free you know readings and well you're going to get it back so that's what that's why all this these fees came into place because they did this and uh but we want to work with you so anyway so in the end I mean the fees are going to continue forever I say let's pay this off done with it and uh we move on I mean there past sewer Commissioners it's not right it might even have been the selectman back then which I think it was was regular sewer Comm but if it's if it was originally a $177,000 bill went down to 17,700 so that's why I I just I saw it and it just made me curious I'm like all right I'm going to put it on just to pay this so I I just happen to call out of curiosity what's left and it's such a minimal amount that and she had said well you'd have to send me an email you know what is the exact pay off as of January 30th 2025 because interest Cru so the payment $600 for the year or is that by by for the year so it's 32 so it's not so let's just pay it like instead of adding a little interest every year to it and I don't know unless somebody to just drop it and let it go for the next two when we pay the next too I I I seem to remember um when uh locken was our counsel he looked at this issue and said you don't have to pay this he did huh he that he did say that and there was a hearing and and uh he said oh don't worry I'm going to I'm going to go to the hearing uh it's going to be all set and uh I call him the day after the hearing and he says oh I forgot to go that was the end of it and there was no fighting it it was set in stone it was done and we tried we tried to have it removed they wouldn't they wouldn't remove it and uh so well it's $1,700 left at we ,700 of the original 11,000 11,000 all right I mean I'm going to pass the kick that can down the road you have the little birds get see I want I want to have it I don't know what the correct term is I'm sure Mr Rogers can tell me but like I want them to clear it out I don't want to pay the $1,700 yeah a bait I want to go like everybody else does I want that a bait it because I don't think we should have been paying it in the first place I agree you know so I that's going to be if anything I don't know I need to look into this a little bit more there's obviously a lot more knowledge in this room about this this was a this was a hot and the sewer commissions would would note you pay it you pan it and then they will they didn't want to Bud they usually the new ones will pass the block like well I wasn't on maybe this board will maybe let's uh let's do a little more research on that that is that is all I have excuse me any more public comment I'm making motion we Jed so moved that's inter