All right. See? All right. Uh, good afternoon. Today is October 22nd. This is the Liber Water District Commissioners meeting. We're going to start by saying I algiance to the flag of the United States of America to the republic for
which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. Uh we are going to start with review and sign warrants which we've already floated around so we're looking good there. Uh next is we have some
minutes here that are from October 8th. >> Uh Mr. Chair, I'd make a motion that we approve the minutes of October 8th, 2025. All those in favor? I Excellent. Okay. Discuss kayak rack with zone one located
at Hill. Have we gotten any communication back from our last meeting from when you sent something out? >> Yeah. So, last meeting you guys asked me to send an email to their lawyer and I stated that they needed to have it moved by today's meeting.
He did not respond. So, I sent another email the following Thursday. The lawyer then responded Friday the 17th and said he's working on it. And then Monday he responded with the Woodlands continues to wait to
receive a promise letter from Mass D. And they sent a sketch showing a potential site of where they want to move it to as long as it's outside his own. >> Who's he who's getting these emails? >> Uh their lawyer uh Stevens, Nathaniel Stevens. >> Okay.
>> McGregor Law. Has he even been going to them and telling them what's going on? >> I'd assume so because he's responding. >> So you're not you're not sending him to the woodlands. You're sending them to there. >> I was informed that I had to talk a long time ago. We were informed that I had to go through him >> to communicate to them.
>> He's the representative. >> He was there at the initial meeting also. So he's very much well in the loop and uh that's what that was the request of the woodlands to communicate through >> direct through them >> as we have met him. >> Yeah.
Do we have something from D or we had a conversation stating that how is how what is the >> as far as it's my understanding D called um their I always forget what he's called their specialist their consultant
>> and explained everything to them and then I believe the next morning >> and told me he said just so you know that you don't get any hear anything on the backside he said we told them that they must move the kayaks they're not allowed in zone one, they must be relocated.
>> So, he said there will be a letter from us stating that, but he says, "I'm not sure when you'll you'll get it, one week, two weeks, whatever." But he says, "We're very short on staff, but you will be getting the letter." So, then we brought that up probably a month. >> Yeah. It was like a couple days later and that's when we first decided, but
let's wait to see if the letter comes because we weren't sure if it was going to be a day or a month or what the timeline. So this this was in the sanitary the last sanitary survey >> because I believe we were here when the woodlands people came in and they were telling us that of the stuff that was in the sanitary survey.
>> I can fast track this a little conversation even though this is a great conversation when myself friend Christie and I went down and met them the the agreement that we had and is and it is documented that if they could provide a letter from Mass D saying that the the the kayaks could
stay then I said that would be fine. That letter has yet to exist and it's not going to show up. We now at this point we have asked them to move the racks. Now what I would like to do is if we have to get legal counsel involved or not, I would like to set a hard line
being like I want to impose fines and finals on this that I think the next thing we need to do is send them a letter saying that as of this date the they will be fined x amount of day for leaving these here and if it stays beyond this date then they will be removed by a third party to move that
out of there. It is our responsibility to maintain and control the zone on. It's not being done. We need to act on it. This is nothing more than a traditional lawyer delay tactic. The first meeting we had was in February and they've pushed and pushed and pushed. I
want to finalize this. I want to get a hold of legal counsel, see what the the most aggressive actions to take on this are and implement it immediately. >> I agree. >> I would agree because I D is our regulating authority.
They've already advised us. D is not going to make sure that they do these things, but it's our duty as the water the board of water commissioners to >> ensure that this >> this was brought up to us by a citizen who was concerned.
>> Yep. >> So for us just to sit here and do nothing about it, >> this was brought up by the residents that read the sanitary survey. >> Right. So just to make it easy though because you could you could find different ways to approach it. the most black and white approaches from the agreement we originally had which is
documents saying hey we'll provide a letter from D can we leave these here sure if you can give me a letter from D it has not occurred >> and it won't so and this is at this point as it's been and it's frustrating to deal with it's just a delay tactic I'm done with
it I I really would like to contact the attorney see what legal rights we have to impose fines which I believe we do I would like to impose those immediately retroactive. As far as I'm concerned, >> I don't think we can do that. I don't think we can retro, >> but I I would I would agree with you,
John. >> But so that's hopefully we can contact the attorney and and get this certified letter sent to them immediately being like this is no longer acceptable. >> And I'd like to know who the hell is attorney from wherever he's coming from.
>> He's just an attorney >> and they and they hire him. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, I hope she works for him for a while. Keeps sending him a bill. Um, >> but I hope we get the issue resolved. >> Is there >> We will >> I'll reach out to KP tomorrow. Is there
a timeline you would like him to set for? >> I would like to implement a fine on them immediately and with and whenever we can implement that fine starting that starting date, I would have one month beyond that. >> I think it should start today. >> Well, okay. if we can. Absolutely.
>> But but basically, I want to be able to give them they're gonna start getting fined immediately because this is gone for too long. >> Okay. >> 30 days. If if in 30 days that's still not removed, then we will hire an outside, you know, indentant moving
company to to move those. It is our right to do it. >> Okay. Now, you would think that the people down the Woodlands would want to get that kayak rack out of there and be be a little considerate for the rest of
the people in town and take the water to get their pollutant kayaks off our zone one. I be be be reasonable, sensible, decent people and get them out of there. It's all you got to do and this will end.
>> I agree. We tried to approach this in a neighborly nice fashion and not get to this point. This was very much tried. But yeah, now we're done and that's that's that. >> Um, do you guys want to see if I speak with
KP and they draw something up? Um, I can >> quick question. Who enforces that? Is that a building code? >> That's the building code. So, I've looked into this a little bit >> and and the answer is is
no. I do not think that would fall under the building department. >> Well, don't doesn't the town accept our our descriptions of what is a zone one and all of ours. That isn't that's not a that's not a code enforcement thing that
>> the zoning bylaws which that were approved, >> right? I'm not sure if there's something in there specific to that that's in the zoning zoning bylaws, but the easement was given to us. >> Okay. So, we are we are the
uh policing authority on that property as far as the water supply goes. >> Correct. Okay. >> Correct. And and the easement that was approved, which is very restrictive, was approved by Mass D. So mass D, if something's going on that ement, they're going to come to us, say, "Hey,
>> you you need to address this." And in this particular case, the kayaks, this group went to D. >> Some I I would never recommend going to for anything. Yes. I mean, they went to DV for the golf carts, boom, they're gone. You went for the kayak, they're
gone. So you go to D and you're in zone one, it's gone. I mean, there was no question where this was heading for from this stuff, >> right? But they they already in our last sanitary survey highlighted that point at another point. >> They they went through a few things like
was it the spreading sand and salt >> that was when we were approved on the intended use plan and we were approved for the funding. a group of people got on there to try to remove our funding and they were telling D that they should remove our funding because
>> they were doing things in the zone that they shouldn't have and that's a reason why they should our funding should be revoked. So that opened it up. >> Yes. >> They opened it up. >> If this comes to where it's a huge problem, I mean I'm not saying this is what going to going to going to happen but deep saying we need to fence that.
No one is allowed access. So, and I and I'm going to tell you as this progresses, if this gets worse, that is the that's the end goal. Not the goal, but that's the end solution. If this continues to happen, that place will be fenced in as we as we have the right to do it. I don't want to do that. It doesn't need to come to that. But if we
cannot protect that zone one and it gets to that point of the only way to be able to do is to put a fence up, we're going to put a fence up. Now, none of this needs to happen. All we do is move the kayak racks off. They've complied with everybody else. They move the kayak racks. to go on to business as usual and everything's simple. We don't have to
deal with this issue. >> I agree. >> Are there catch basins in the roads down the woodlands? >> I believe there are. >> There are, but they they drain probably the lake. >> Yeah. With all the salt. >> Oh, like everywhere else. So the whole infiltr infiltration into the down there
is crazy all over. >> Sure it is. But all the salt that goes into that road down in the winter time goes right into that pressure. >> Once again, and I agree with you, Mr. Prespazito, but our concern right now is that zone one and that's it. There are other issues down there that's different departments in town. Whatever is the
water department, the zone one is my concern. Y >> and that's what that's what we're here to enforce. >> All right. >> Does anybody else have anything to add to that? >> Um, no. >> My sorry, my only question was just to
follow up with this. I'm gonna sp um talk to KP tomorrow. Do you guys want to see the draft? Obviously want to see the draft of it. Do you want that draft? >> We don't have a meeting for three weeks. So, but I can send each of them a draft
separately and then you guys can communicate with me and then we'll get it out as soon as we can. Is that okay? >> If you could email us a separately separately and each individual person >> Yep. >> emails back to you or coordinates with you saying yes, I approve this, that
would be fine. Okay. And we're good with um Fran signing it or whoever signing it or Kenny. >> It's just approved. >> Depends what KP KP says. >> Whatever KP says. I can easily come in and say something. Okay. >> Yeah. We don't need Yeah.
>> Okay. Okie dokie. >> All right. >> Uh review codes for new heavy equipment purchases. >> Okay. So, like like we said last meeting, we we've been doing this for quite a while. So, there's there's quotes that there's different size
machines, but we we were looking at the uh 20,000 to 25,000 around 23 22, but the biggest 25,000 pound machine a 100 size 100. >> And those I would say budget number is 180.
>> Yep. Uh then there's the next size group uh 32 to 40,000 and those are around the 230 240 range. So I don't think we need to go in that range. I think the the 20,000 lbs is what we would be more interested in. And there was a few
different models that >> you know we're in that range. The intent moving forward is to get rid of the >> JCB. >> JCB, keep the CAT in the J in the JCB function. And now the excavator would be
your primary digging machine. >> Correct. >> What size is the one you get down there now? Oh, you had >> 30,000. The the tracked excavator. Well, that's a 30,000. That's a 140. >> So, it' be slightly smaller than that. >> Rubber tide.
>> Rubber tide. as agile as a backhoe as far as or more agile in the backhoe for digging purposes. >> Oh yes. Yes. And it's got the triple boom so you can you can set it to stand on the power lines and uh I didn't really drive it over the road but Christy did. It zips right along. So I
mean you can you can get to a broken water pretty pretty easily. >> So this is just something because I know you guys talked about it. Some think Woody's against it. John's for it. You're you like the tiebreaker. But I mean, if this is something you want to do, then we just figure out how how how
do we do it? I mean, you could just A lot of these are on the state bid. You could do it, buy it on the state bid. I don't really like that method. I find it better to go out to bid. We do a full official spec sheet and uh have the
people bid. The downside of that is you might get a machine that you don't really like, but I mean, we've checked them all out. So, >> if you get a machine you don't like, just don't buy it, right? I mean, are you committed to buying? >> You commit if you price unless there's something that it doesn't >> Okay, it doesn't meet that spec.
>> So, that's what we talked about with some of them is a few of the bigger ones specking the um the radius the uh the tail >> that a couple of them were way over. So, we're like, well, we didn't really like that and it's kind of whatever. So, it needs to swing
minimal. Yeah. >> Yeah. There's some with a very slight which would be fine, but there's there's some with the big, you know, motor hanging. It's not the zero turn issue, >> but I know we talked about also including um the breakdown for Rolling Acres cuz this all kind of ties
together, but we are so close to finishing it that I wanted to have like the final I I've got everything up to date, but the guys are literally finishing it this week, next week. So, next meeting we'll have the full breakdown so that you guys can everybody
can see >> shouldn't be done. The goal was is that that having these projects. So I know those kind of tie together, but I didn't want to give you a number that wasn't done for this meeting. >> Did you have any numbers on the back home? >> Oh, did we need a call for the back
home? >> Did you call the uh very back of the the bottom folder? I didn't put it on there cuz it's in the cat folder. >> Very there should be a cat. Um, I thought I saved it.
>> Oh, you know what? I didn't cuz cat is there caterpillar ones in there. >> I might not have cuz cat was like doesn't didn't deal in the >> Oh, in the uh backo >> you mean a wheel
>> 140? >> Yeah. 139. >> Okay. So, I I just compared. We're Is that for a 420? Just curious. >> 432. >> Okay. back a little bit. >> So 420 is probably more. >> Yeah, that'd be smaller. So >> 420 is smaller than a 432.
>> Oh, yeah. >> We're talking numbers. You can't figure that out. >> You go to drug high school. >> Yes, I did. >> Okay, I understand. Math was not my strong point. >> I don't think I had a >> Right. I'm just aside from the numbers
here. So you looked at like like roughly 25 ton machines or you have a 30 ton down there. You have a 140 down there now. >> Correct. >> And these are like 120s or so. >> Uh the 100 same model. >> Okay. And you find that that is about the correct size as far as >> that would be very very good. The key
thing for us like the broken water m is just the reach to get it in the truck. >> Well, so I'm saying would a smaller one be better or like is there a reason why you didn't look at anything smaller? >> I don't think they on the rubber tire. I don't think they go smaller than those.
>> Uh I think they're coming out with some but they haven't yet. But I don't I wouldn't go any smaller. >> Okay. >> And and when we the rolling is typically when we call rent it's a 140. That's >> Sure. No, I understand. >> You know like what's that cap 308? >> A 308 is definitely small. I mean that's
just I >> Yes. >> I'm I'm not doing this job. I know how I do it. But you know I I know how you guys run your equipment or whatever. That that's your your deal. And if you think that's the most appropriate size machine, I mean because the reality is
there's a water mane five feet I mean in extreme cases deeper and I understand it does happen in town >> pretty frequently. The main typically no never but you know >> seven 8 ft probably >> and you want to be able to load the equivalent of a triacle,
>> right? But the the depth depth part is not the issue. >> It's the reach up above, >> you know. And I as I see all these wheeled excavators, they're already set up higher to attract. You know what I'm saying? So that >> that the reach thrown into the truck, which is the main thing, which I totally
understand. You know, that's just kind of where like is like I said, I don't run it every day. This is this is your department. >> Um I would if it was me, I would feel it's a little bit big for what I thought we were doing, but I don't do it. So >> what's tobacco like 20? Is tobacco 20?
>> It's not It's not necessarily that. It's just the the uh you know what you're doing is you're digging a water mane at a you know I mean I understand if they break the hole's wider or whatnot but like you know like just I would think like a a 308 size machine would be more ideal.
Once again >> I this is >> but I think the goal was to have it >> on on repairs and that's where installation I mean you said this rubber tire machine is like a 100 size >> correct. You rented a 140 to do the rolling acres man. >> Correct.
>> Could you have used this machine to do the rolling acres job and not be at a significant loss of production time or loss? >> I mean the the only time the 140 showed its power was there
and the got the rock and then the reach, you know, that's >> uh depending on the size of the pipe. If you did 12in pipe, the reaching out could could cause thick tipping kind of thing, but I don't think any of these machines would have a problem reaching a piece of 12 inch pipe up.
>> So, so the 140 really was over what we really needed other than the rock. That's >> No, I get But if I was running something for a month, I would probably upsize it for the heck of it. I'm glad you didn't. >> Yeah. >> So, just something to think about. If
you say yes, it's something to do. We'll see how the pilot testing thing goes. If we have to call a special meeting, then you have the option of doing that or you could say let's hold off the annual meeting and then we can >> Are you comfortable at that 180,000? >> I I would go a touch higher. You just
>> We have all the specs there. The quotes I mean the quotes aren't really like apples to apples quite yet cuz one of them did like a um the rotating head where we just need the tilt for the bucket. um so I can get more specific
ones or you know so if you want to look at the machines at least this way you have all the information go from there. So yes, so there's no you don't need need to make any decision. >> And then the back the back hole quote that you got is equivalent or
>> that or is that a basic? Would that need to be tweaked if you were going to actually go out to bid for a backhoe? Could that cost more? >> I didn't look specifically at that point. >> Back hose. We typically just we don't buy any attachments. Pretty much has a I don't think it has I don't know if it comes standard with a thumb, but I know
this one we added the thumb. We do have the uh compactor that goes on the back which has been huge for rolling anka's job but that we could just transfer over. I'm not sure maybe we can transfer it over here into the the little exit >> probably different connectors but
>> they make plates. >> Yeah, you can get all kinds of connections quick connections. So, I'll tell you off the rest of the board, my thought is that this machine would be doing more than water mane brakes and would, you know, I don't I don't
we'd be doing more replacements and utilizing it. Um, the ease cuz I sometimes see where you got to try to put a backhoe and how you put a backhoe that you know you reach and everything is important. So, so we'll see to my my you guys do it.
You're you're you guys are the boss. But my my suggestions, we wait till see what goes on with the power test. We need to call a special meeting. Then we decide if this is something to do or we wait till the annual meeting or in your case do we even something you guys are even in favor of doing? Well, I definitely
think that it would be best for you guys to narrow down the like almost exact thing you want. Like this is exactly or specwise, machine wise, costwise, whatever it is. Like this is our ideal machine. And then from there, if it works out, we can figure out the best
way to bid, purchase, etc. >> So, so some of the machines we did pretty much get accurate price. So, one was 180,000, one was 181. So, we're not talking huge differences. That machine got the blade on it? >> Yes. >> They all have blade. They all had three
three buckets. >> Uh they all had the tilt. Uh the uh swivel one was that was 60 grand. >> Yeah, that was I don't think that's >> Yeah, I don't think we need that. >> I know. I'd rip that thing off. >> Too many.
>> Oh, I I just be like trying to I'd be trying to move the rock. All right, we'll work on that more. >> Okay. Anything else to add? >> All right. Uh, commissioner, superintendent, clerk, treasure, edition.
>> Uh, the only thing I got is just update on rolling acres. So, we're pretty much wrapped up. Uh, we got we finished the moment seed, finishing that up. Um, they actually just finished that today. Uh we just got a couple little patches to do
for hot topping where the road kind of cracked where we dug by it. So we're just going to fix some of those. Uh tomorrow the uh last final big job is we're going to cut the old main and cap it at Lancaster out. >> Yeah. >> Because uh you know we were talking
about it and that's the right way to do it. And uh who's to say that valve is holding perfectly tight? you know, we we we dig up >> little seats, you know. So, if that thing's dripping, we're going to go back. So, now we'll cut it. We're going to cap it,
>> open valve, leave it uh closed, whatever it is. It doesn't matter. You're protected forever. So, >> that makes sense. >> So, we're going to do that tomorrow and and uh hopefully hunts out that and then uh >> did you main on and everybody's serviced off that new main?
>> Correct. Correct. >> Did you go up middle lane at all with the new pipe? Uh we did the stub. Uh so we have a valve to do that. So all we need to do and and it's just capped. So for us to continue down metal lane, we're going to leave the old main in
service just like we did with this one. That one's already capped. So it's only fed one way. And then the other new main is uh on, but it's it's capped off. >> There's a hydrant right there on the corner. >> Yes. So the hydrant is on, but it's capped right after the hydrant. So, we'll just take that cap off and uh
finish rolling it because we had a hydrant at the end. That uh that looks like a much easier job without all the turns and bends. >> Yeah, pretty straight. >> And I think the power lines on the other the power lines been very difficult to deal with every time. You know,
>> that's the downside of the bigger machine because you you barely could get underneath them. So, if we would just I know you'll give me final final numbers, but if you had rough numbers on this, what do you think it cost us to do versus what it would cost?
>> I would say 150 for us to do it and the budget number I was giving was 700,000 for the actual excavating firm and then the engineering. So, say 800,000. So, we we probably saved five 600,000. Yeah, you
could buy three machines if you wanted to >> with the money. >> See, so when when some of our board members are kind of thinking that something costs a lot of money, you think about the money that is saved, then it's really not that bad.
>> I appreciate your input there, Mr. Bush, but that's not where I was going. This is what I would like to do. Okay? And I'm not capable of making a motion, but I would like to give all of our employees a $500 onetime bonus for
completing this. And I mean everybody from our office staff to all the guys. >> Does that include the commissions? >> Commissions. They should get more. But we did save5 to $600,000. We did it all ourselves. The guys worked hard. The office staff worked hard. Lisa was there
too. she should get it to cuz she covered extra so Chrissy could go out and help out. >> So that's where I'd like to reinvest some money to try to keep our employees, you know, I'm grateful for what they did.
So >> well, I don't usually agree with you. Brandon, do >> you need any help tomorrow? >> But I'm probably going to make a motion to do that. So, >> just say some move.
>> All right. >> Yeah, I don't mind spending money. Just, you know, you're right. >> The guys would appreciate it because they everybody's I mean, they've worked, you know, late. Yeah. I mean, >> everybody did. It's a It was It was very nice to see the whole process take place. You know, I you know,
>> visited a lot and you know, and just even stopping in here. If you're out, Lisa had everything going. It was a very well organized. Good job, Fran by all means of everybody's, you know, >> I enjoyed it. >> Took took care of their thing. >> Feel like it was it was a good project.
It was a good place to do it. >> I thought it worked out really smooth. It looks great over there. >> Um, so >> when you see the amount of money that you can save >> Yeah. >> I mean, what a couple grand is >> Yeah. >> nothing, >> you know. Well, that's that's why I'm
really I would like to see us gear up to more to have a more rigid capital schedule. >> And that's why, you know, we got to have the machinery and stuff to do it. >> I think when you if you get that excavator, you're going to after you use it, you're
going to say to yourself, I don't know how we even did this job without it. >> Well, this is kind of a downside because you've been running the excavator the whole time. You guys went two days in >> and then you hop in the back hole and it's like why do I have to look at this the back?
>> So either this way that I'm like so you got that little dinky bucket that you're working with. You never get anywhere inside. >> Hey listen if you want we'll give you an old triple nickel four stick. You can run that for a while then you go back the other way. >> That's right.
>> All right. So yeah we'll uh we'll sit down and place on on for the excavator. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. >> But uh on a other little note uh we just signed documents yesterday for more of the PAS settlement. >> So we're getting another check for
127,000. >> There you go. We can buy our machines. >> Yeah. So we're probably >> Yeah. Around 700, I would say. >> Probably over 700,000 in settlement money. So >> that all goes into surplus. So it's not
specific purposes to use it for fast. So, but you know we will eventually >> p stud study and >> whatever else we're going to do. >> Y >> so has the price of cushion price of pipe
come down at all or it's been holding steady. >> All right. >> You got anything? >> Nope. I turned the water faucet on. The water comes out. I make my coffee every morning. Tastes good.
>> Then what do you do with it? >> Well, it gets recycled. >> The septic system working fine. >> Got a new one of those. >> That's a different part. That's a different meaning all together. >> Yes, that's true. >> Um, you have anything?
>> I do. just one one um >> I would like to have a new um program put in NDS our billing system. >> So right now the guys are doing all the backflows. We're getting ready to do all our backflows. So we do a full cycle.
We've got 110 >> backflow tests >> roughly. Um so we have to do all those once a year and then about half of those twice a year. Spring and so fall is all of them. So anyways, we're the program that we had is really old. It's a
Microsoft Access. >> It's handmade. >> It's made here. >> It's It's really It's okay. So I talked to Northern Daddy yesterday. We have parts of it, but they would need to implement some new stuff in there, but it would clean everything up for the
guys. I can click buttons, print. They have to have specific forms that they have to bring with them. you know, their device info, past fail, all that kind of stuff. NDS can upload that and I can track them and build them in there. So,
it's $3,500, which we do. I mean, we have in our service, in our maintenance, we could afford to do this. I I think this is the first step. Ultimately, my my goal is to have the full work or order program in
NDS. I would love to be able to put our finals in there, all of it. That's more money, but this is step one. So, I'm just going with step one for right now because we have part of it, but they need to put in new
transaction codes. Um, put in these um link the accounts together. But like when we go to Walmart now on their water bill, I will be able to put here's your water, here's your backflow. It's all separate right now. It's QuickBooks and
>> you have to manually >> manually put everything in. Everything's separate. >> What's the revenue off of the backflow tests? >> Well, it's $50 per test, $25 for additional, but so >> I mean like
>> we have a hund of them. >> We have a hundred of them, but that doesn't mean they're all, you know, like CVS has three of them. So it would be, >> you know, $100. So 50 for the first, then their other two there is 25. So >> in one year you paid that. >> Yeah, that's what that's just trying to
see if we if it's if you're if you're going to become more efficient. It's all going to be in one place. >> Yeah. >> You're going to have all the information that you need to to continue to do this moving forward. If it's >> I mean, it's it's it's step one in getting some of this stuff in there
because I would love to be able to at some point open up an account and see notes. Hey, the guys went here on this date for a high read and they had really green grass. So when they call again, well, we know you lose a lot of water.
Like it's just a work order program that's going to be able to track. >> It's part of the program that you currently use. So like right now you have this program, this program, you have multiple programs to do one job. >> Yes. >> This puts it all in one place. at least for this for the backflows to simplify.
>> Why why NDS versus somebody else? Because the >> he's he's right where I'm waiting for finish before I ask question. Isn't there a billing program that's much much better that you want to change to, but you won't do it? >> Yes. >> And and it's it's tied the money. The other one does all this stuff. >> I know.
>> So we we you won't like the amount of money that doesn't >> That's what's holding me back a little bit. >> All the towns are going this this one. We checked it out like 15 times and it was awesome. >> Yeah. >> So that's my thing to her cuz I'm I'm like stepping on the other side here.
>> Why do we want to go this route when we we want to change? We wanted to do it last year. >> We wanted to do it years ago. So >> and then Poss hit and put a hold on. >> So the reason why I ask is I I kind of agree. I don't I don't know these
systems well as well as you do. But what I what I really would like is like I I would be in favor of some of this party until I saw the bill. But I would if we could update everything and get on I like I said I don't know who who else uses this. What other towns around? I mean do you have
>> quite a few use this? This is pretty popular. >> I mean I don't know. They might be fantastic but I'm just saying I think that if if we're going to make a change and this does sound like a great product. >> Yeah. Um, is it worth looking into to make sure that we get what really fits
us? Well, maybe this is it. I don't know. I >> Yeah, it's tough. I I He Yeah, we go back and forth cuz this this other program that we really liked I it it was awesome. >> Various
are these got to be updated so often or >> can I ask this? >> What have to be updated? programs. >> Um, >> this definitely could be it. >> Yeah, but no, like we don't pay I mean only if you add different programs like what I'm looking to do. >> Yeah.
>> So to just to finish with this, I totally understand endgame for right now. I think this is worth because it's gonna that would be that's going to be a huge process to switch because I believe what um PJ and I were looking into is
the backflows and all that are going to become part of the sanitary survey the cross connection backflows. So they are going to be coming in and looking for more. And right now our system is very antiquated that for me to
pull up this access program and be like, "Oh, which one do you want to look at?" It's there's no tracking it. There's there it's a paper copy and every time I go into it, I change the date and I print a new one. But there is no, "Hey, let me look back at um Walmart and I'll
go, okay, we did the backflows these dates. You want those reports? I can print them. I can't do any of that right now. >> I'll agree with her on this point. If if we do this, it's it's immediate. Right. Right. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, we're talking we're talking a year. >> Yeah. This was the only push for this
was >> we had meetings and this is kind of this year. They just came out. I think um >> I think Terry did the training for it. The new cross connection backflow. D is pushing >> to um oversee it more.
>> So that's what kind of got me on the kick and then literally hitting print print 110 times and changing things got me then calling NDS and then it's like all right well we need to have a better record. So, this I think is worth doing
right now because I think when we have our next sanitary survey, we're going to be it's it's just it's just going to be easier >> there. There are other in separate uh batch testing programs you could you could purchase. >> Y, >> but this one would tie into the billing.
So, like she said, you know, she could send the water bill and have this attached to it. So as far as like this NDS system and the billing in that that is basically is this more limited to just our customers with backflow tests or does this will this eventually tie
could this tie into everything or does it >> it's the metering it's it's we could tie into >> it could all right so like we have talked about in the past too about setting up the tower to read everybody's meter all at once could this program accommodate that do you know what I'm
saying or is that >> this right here or just NDS? >> NDS in general? >> Oh, yeah. And >> they all they all Yes. Any of them. >> In other words, if we if we end up with this software and this program and then later on we're like, "Hey, now we're going to upgrade everybody's meter so we can just read it at a when
>> Yeah, that's more of a Neptune, >> right, >> radio meter thing than it is NDS. >> I understand. I understand that's Neptune, but could it get could NDS take that data and put it into plain English for you? You can be like, "Yep, we can add this to the bill." or something like that or
>> it's kind of like what we already do. Uh Neptune 360 gives the information to NDS. >> We generate the bill. >> So it it would just carry on the same. So there's two kind of things. So NDS just generates the bills. Neptune, >> yes,
>> is the meter and the reading system. So two separate. So Neptune works with NDS, Badar, Munis, everybody. They tailor it to what billing company you have. So regardless of whether we put towers up, >> right, >> they'll work with whoever we have. >> Okay.
>> It's pretty good how they all cooperate. >> No, I understand. But I just I guess is kind of my point was is like I don't want to get into a system that in the years if we change something that's not compatible. >> Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So >> So that the Vader the other one that we wanted to that the work orders
>> Yeah. They got cross they had everything the accounting >> no more quick everything was in that program. >> Yeah. >> That program did did the whole water system. >> Mr. Chair, I would make a motion that we spend uh $3,500 to update the backflow
>> uh >> system >> service management >> service management. But I would definitely like to hear more about this the Vadar program because I in my office I use multiple cloud-based
things and you're constantly opening tabs and I know that there are those uh if you take the value of all of that and add it up sometimes it's probably still short but it's really nice to click and open something that has everything that you need to do in your daily job. That's
the longest motion. >> Well, the motion is primarily back >> 3500 for the service management program in NBS. >> All those in favor? >> I I >> so just just a little bit touch on that.
Uh so let's say uh they look up someone's property and they look up, hey, water bills paid. They could have a quick book to a valance changed or something. Yeah. So something could sneak through >> and we did have that. >> So you if we if we go with the the other
program then everything's tied to it. So you look up someone's account, you can say, "Hey, they had a valve change. They >> service for for a repair or something." If it's all in one place, it's so much easier because the same thing like I do I have one service package. I have
QuickBooks. I have I have Google Docs and all my calendars are on Google's on Google. But there are packages out there that do all the accounting, all the service package, all the communication of the company, >> uh, or whatever the the task is in in
one one program. >> I guess I'll call. >> So, and I think look, we'll look back into it. I would say we get him in here and present. >> You can see it. It's Yeah, >> it was it was it was simple to use. >> They came out, they went through their program. Big thing is you can use
multiple programs now at a cost >> and you know now you add all those together and that cost gets bigger >> if you're going to get one program >> Christie wasn't that the one where your work orders was on your phone >> mobile work orders >> so the guys that they
>> they can do with NDS but >> that was more money >> and they complete them >> so like for mine if if the guys go out they have work orders jobs for the day they they can clock in clock out on a job they can they can complete the job >> and then I would I would get immediately. Yep. I just
Terry just went and changes account. All right. We changed the valve. Yep. Terry did that on this date and I build them on this date and here it is. Yeah. >> See you guys already. >> All right. >> She doesn't want to do it. You get a lot more information, but you you're so
you're so worried that it is it's a lot and you think about but propelling into the future. All your information is on one one one platform which is >> so much easier to use. >> Yes. >> Mine and mine does so mine will build a customer. >> Yeah. >> And then actually does an automatic
follow-up if they don't pay. >> Um and then same thing if you have to look in QuickBooks to see if somebody paid from something from NDS. Yeah. >> You you you could miss something. Yep. So >> and we Yeah. Keep going. But All right. That's all I got.
>> All right. old business mass water man. >> We haven't we haven't done any work once I was actually main I was talking with Christie uh because we still got we have a leak to fix. We're going to do that
Monday. Uh so we got a lot of stuff still hanging on. We got to the backflows to start testing. So like I think we're going to do our own boat >> when Lisa's here. I'll get >> home NASA and waiting for MDI to jump in and so we can cut that driveway. And I
think >> if this because the state permit doesn't allow you to work, you know, into too far into November. So I'm thinking maybe maybe we have to jump in and uh >> yeah, just to >> just to handle this. Yeah.
>> But yeah, so Mass, nothing's happened. Still got just a couple of those things to to wrap up. that that so we're going to actually submit the pilot test. It was just in draft mode. We're going to submit that to DP >> and uh then DB has the information to
look at to really investigate the need for the pilot test. So, uh, okay, >> we're trying to work at home and and, uh, Ty B does understand why I'm concerned about it and, uh, you know, so maybe we could do something more
downscale just to sure, you know, to satisfy our concerns. >> Okay. Any public comment? >> Real quick, Paul Grund is 35 John Street. Do we have with the lawyer? Do you have good communication with the
lawyer that you're going to talk to your your own attorney about? >> Okay. And then when you draft that up, my recommendation before you send it out, don't you want to review it? >> We will. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's what we talked about that I would send it to.
>> And then after that's done, you want to make sure that it's a registered letter they have to sign for it >> and who you're going to send it to. That may be where the problem is with all this. It's just a suggestion. That's all. >> Yeah, >> that's all it is.
>> Not trying to tell John what to do or anybody. It's it's it's a suggestion. >> All good. >> It's a good comment. And it if it if it may need to go to their attorney as well as a an additional letter to >> So ask ask our attorneys. >> Yeah, that's what I'm thinking because we've been told since day one, you know,
that you guys aren't supposed to none of us supposed to talk to them that we're supposed to go through them. So yeah, maybe we'll just do multiple transitions. >> I think I think you're getting a run. Yeah. >> Or at least a certified. >> You're getting a run >> to the lawyer with, >> you know, because I know I think we've
gotten stuff before where we've gotten the certified one in the mail and then an email saying the certified letter is coming. So I I'll talk to Katie and figure it out. >> Okay. Closing public comment. I uh think we're done here.
>> I make a motion. Mjourn. >> So moved. All right, we're done.