Oh yeah. Good afternoon everybody. Today is December 17th. It's 4 p.m. seated. >> This is the Lunberg Water District Commissioner meeting. Now we will start by saying the pledge of >> allegiance. This is this is a patri
of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> And I think the rest of the [cough] pledge of allegiance will [clears throat]
>> I must have missed that. >> Yeah. >> I must I agree. >> Yeah, I must have missed that. >> It's a very important step. All right. So, let's kick this wonderful meeting off with sending around some minutes. These would be the minutes from December 3rd. And you gentlemen, if you would
like to review some of those, we have some warrants to review and sign also. >> Oh yeah. Uh yeah, he has to be on the January. So he'll be in early January. snow. It takes some more snow.
>> Yeah. Got this 50° rain on. >> I know. It's good. It gets all the stuff off and then ready for the whole cold. >> Yeah. And a lot of stuff is frozen right now. Like >> I'd be I'd be interested to see. You don't know how much ice they got on a lake, John?
>> No, I don't. I People were out there ice fishing the other day, so it's going to be four or five inches anyway. >> I mean, whale them whom is nothing. >> Yeah. Really? >> Well, because of the water. >> No, not enough. Not Not even close.
>> It's not thick enough, I wouldn't think. >> No, it's not thick enough to walk on, but >> No, >> but that's going to be the call. Watch >> off the light off the wall. What is that supposed to be? [laughter] >> I used to go out,
>> you know, and drill. >> I remember the same couple. Are you guys a little kid? >> Oh, no. >> No, I don't think that's I mean, there's always two of us. Yeah. >> You know what I'm saying? So,
>> you know, the times that it's happened where we've had that middle off one. >> Yeah. >> And I can always >> Yeah. do what needs to be done. >> I think this might be something. >> Can we uh splurge and maybe get a little
bit bigger of poinsetta? I think that was very nice if somebody brought that in. Probably >> I brought them in. >> It's in the perfect spot. >> John [laughter] wouldn't be able to see the leave it small like that. I like this one. Oh no,
I couldn't see John. >> A little Charlie Brown face over there. >> And I can't see you either. [laughter] >> Better get a big one then. [sighs] >> [snorts] >> a couple extra cuz of the holidays. [snorts]
You all set with those minutes? >> Yes, sir. I am. >> I make a motion for approval minutes of December 3rd, 2025. >> All those in favor? >> I I so moved. [clears throat] >> All right. While you guys uh wrap up
signing those, we can move right along. Give that back. >> That thing we get tonight is vote and approve on Ty and Bond's um amendments to engineering services. >> Okay. So, they they submitted an invoice. Uh just it's just been an
ongoing, you know, when they come in to uh meetings, uh stuff like that. The SRF loan application, uh you got the whole whole agreement there. They they do quite a few things on there and they're looking for $17,500.
Uh I was thinking it probably would be a a good thing to do if we added 2,000 talk for future >> cor uh correspondence communications meetings if we ever do a presentation for the select board or any anybody that wants presentation and and they attend
at least it would be covered in the >> right >> in advance. So I didn't know if that would something you guys would be >> what now does this also tie into some of the extra work they've [cough] been doing lately [clears throat] basically responding to you know some of the concerns of residents etc etc
>> when whenever you call any professional person attorney engineers whatever whatever is >> standby friend click click and it starts >> so I mean so some of this has to do with you know and like I say Mr. in every bit
of his right to question some of those numbers, but we have definitely put a lot of extra >> uh I know these guys have put in a lot of extra time on >> sharpening the pencil, you might say, and clarifying any uh numbers math equations. Uh there's been quite a
bit. Yeah, that like I said, by all means, I'm glad people questioned it, but yeah, I know that that's >> that's part of this. >> That's part of this. Okay. >> Yeah. So, that's I'm in I'm in favor of we pay it. I mean, no one wants to spend money, but I mean, they they do help me all the time. I mean, I wouldn't be
surprised. I mean, I'd probably call them once a day, you know, >> and a lot of times, can you confirm this? Can you confirm that? >> And I So, it's >> I see the the emails that you send too, and there's definitely quite a bit that they uh have to fully engage in on this.
And some of the questions that get brought up are not easy questions. They are scientific datadriven questions that are not >> uh I would assume are not easily answered without some sort of >> analytics involved and I would assume it
to be timeconuming. So this is okay with maintenance. >> So so this is I didn't [clears throat] I didn't know I mean we we were talking I mean we could pull it from the maintenance budget. Uh that could make it tight comes time end of the year time. So
maybe we'd have to move some money around. Uh there's some other things we have for possible expenditures. So I didn't know if you guys wanted to consider maybe we call a special meeting, >> pull this money from the surplus. >> Okay. >> Which which is the PAS money we're
getting. >> Well, that's what I was saying. >> What about the uh Yeah, the PAS money or the um >> from the town the uh ARPA >> ARPA. >> That's that's we couldn't pull it from ARPA. That's used. >> Okay. >> That's all used up. Yeah. So, but we we do have that money sitting
there, but we we can we actually called the the attorneys to see if we have access to that money, but we only have access to it with the vote of the the voters. >> I would say that we should do it that way, >> accessing it through the PAS money because I mean it's directly related to
it and I'd hate to chew chew up our >> Yeah. >> maintenance budget. I mean something may come up between now and you know that that we >> um need. >> So our m our maintenance budget is through July, correct? >> Yeah. >> So
>> and I looked at it I pulled kind of pulled where we are roughly halfway through the year right now and and like Fran said that's I had mentioned it it it would be tight if something were to ever come up. I don't like making it that way
>> and the fact that Fran has a few other items that what he wanted to go over for um a special meeting. This wouldn't be a special meeting just for this. We've got other items. So >> I >> I think it's something we need to push to to you know have a special meeting
soon. Um but I think because we have other items that we'd like to put on there, I think we should take it out of those. >> I'm okay if we have multiple items to put on a special meeting. If we don't, we have our annual meeting coming up in March >> and we can vote to transfer the funds.
[clears throat] Then >> um >> it's just a transfer. It's not a budgeting issue. >> You know, we vote on next year's budget, >> but then also at that time, we would probably want to increase our our uh spending line item for engineering considering, you know, the road we're
headed down, we're going to spend more on it. >> So maybe maybe for the next budget, why don't we add a line item for engineer? >> Yes. >> Yeah, that's a good idea. >> That was actually He Mark's idea. >> Yeah, >> he said it the other day. I just repeat it. So, which is a good idea. >> Yeah. >> Well, all around good idea.
>> But, uh, so money that's at the annual meeting isn't available to July 1st. >> So, we do a special meeting at the same time as the annual meeting. Special meeting first, annual meeting second. at the annual meeting. We can't vote to transfer the funds from that account [clears throat] to uh maintenance.
>> It won't happen till July 1st. >> That doesn't happen till July 1st. >> No authority on that one will happen until >> How do we do it now? If we have a special meeting to transfer >> special meeting is is immediate. >> We'd be pulling it from different mark. I think you guys are kind of So if we did a special meeting, we would pull
this 19,500 from the POS money. It'd be in there immediately. You're saying if we vote to pull this out of the maintenance budget, we can we so that could work as well. It would come out of the maintenance budget then in March. >> Yes. July 1st.
>> Do you have access to the money? >> You have access to the money, but then it would go back towards Can you do that back towards >> Now you're paying bills and >> what's the there's a different I'm trying to get the difference from the the um >> special meeting versus our
>> annual meeting. So special >> if we're going to take if is immediate. So we can't vote at a annual meeting to take the money out of a out of >> I couldn't do it till July 1st. That would have to be uh Oh
>> well, we do it all the time when we have a special meeting. It's the same vote. You're you're voting to use those funds that you already have. If we're making an engineering line item, then you're making a budget and you're you're budgeting for that. But for us to just
transfer the money for the purpose of we should be able to do that in March, should we? >> From what I've always been told, the [clears throat] annual meeting is effective July 1st. >> That's the annual meeting. >> Okay. >> Special meeting is effective upon the end of the vote. So then voted spend the
money next day >> which we could do as the [clears throat] same day. We could as the same day. So we could have the special meeting the same day, right? But deliver special meeting called annual meeting annual meeting appropriating the money for the
following customer. >> But we could still have a special meeting that day if if unless there is something that warrants us to have a special meeting before March. >> Yes. >> Okay. So that's what I'm trying to trying to just do it in one event. >> Sure. If we one [laughter] fell swoop, I
got you. >> Unless there is a reason to add it, right? Unless we had several items to put on in which case, which I understand. >> I do however think that no matter what we do, we should be adding a line item for engineering. >> I think that's a great idea, Mr. Pro.
>> Thank you. I once in a while have >> he probably doesn't remember he said it, but I do. Yeah, >> that's a I can see why the past week didn't have that, but now >> Yeah, >> I think that's a good idea. >> So, do you want to wait to have them vote on this until you go over other
>> Yeah, let's let's uh >> items that you're >> This is We have to We should pay this regardless is the way I feel. [clears throat] If this is all work that has been completed, >> yes, >> we should >> other than the >> if we have if we had to bring it out of
maintenance and we can't have a special I don't see a reason why we can't to appropriate some of that money >> at the same at the same time we still have time >> and then if we do have a special meeting
we reimburse the maintenance for from >> do you think we'll make it till March with >> Oh yeah yeah yeah >> okay >> all right so if that one if you're okay with that can you just make a motion because my name's on it to sign >> correct >> motion prove me to sign I you could do that and everything, but
are we going to talk about the possibility of having a special meeting, which would make that Well, we could still do it and then vote it at the special meeting. Yeah, I would make a motion that we after consider consideration [laughter] and and hash this over. All these
services have been completed. Correct. >> Correct. >> You talked about adding money into it for right now, but let's >> we can we can wait. Yeah. >> Wait. So, I would make a motion, Mr. Chan, that we uh allow Fran to sign and pay this uh bill on behalf of the
Lenberg Water District. It's 17,500. >> Yes. >> All those in favor? >> I moved. >> It's a little bit of a shell game, but >> it is. It is, but it isn't. But it is I think it is kind of important that is forward to make sure that we
have to pay the bills, but I also have pull them out of the right coffers. Yep. >> Okay. Wow, that was a lot more complicated than I thought it was going to be. Sorry. All right. Great job, everybody. Try to be thorough. >> You want to be next thing you got is
review verdantis verdant keen well exploration budget. >> Okay. So I I gave the full agreement to to you and I gave just the cost ones to to Mark and and uh John >> but uh it's regarding the test walls we
did behind the king wall. >> Correct. >> So we did test walls uh the king walls are very deep for gravel wall 93 ft deep. When it was installed we found that there was a confining layer like a sand clay layer. So there was like two
sources of water. is the upper water and then the water down below which is has the high volume. So when I was here I was talking with the engines like what about trying test wells in in the upper area and uh they're like it won't hurt to do it. So I I called the well
drilling guy. We went down there stuck three holes in the ground and uh it it passed the PAS. It had two pots per tray in so it wasn't like zero. So it's still there. And the goal was to find water that wasn't hard water. And
the actual deep well is hardness of 220, which is horrible. And then the wells that we tested in the upper layer were 180. So they still weren't it wasn't good. So, but anyway, so but we did find uh decent quantity of water and uh you
know, like the first three wells, it was just me going out picking wells. So that's why I brought it to you guys a few months ago. I say that, you know, can we hire a hydro geologist to look at this and go into further testing to say, hey, this is good or it's not good and
we work to figure it out. So, that's what's in front of you. The the next stage for installation of wells and uh pumping data so that we could pump it. So, like I said, it was it was just under two parts per trillion for the PAS, but what's that? What would
that be if you pump it for five days, right? you know, like the the big well, you know, it it's on the PAS is above the fives. You know, it's in the five to six range. So, what what would these walls do? So, we looking are we wasting our time going there? I
mean, I I don't know is some some commissioners have different opinions of this thing. [snorts] Uh, no matter what, you still got the hard water problem. You still got heat pass in the water. May maybe it's a lower amount, but from what everybody says is zero is what you
want. You want you don't want any. So, and [clears throat] you know me with hot water. That's my big thing. >> So, if this is just what if we did this, we pumped these. And let's just say though those numbers that you just talked about held pretty steady. That's
what we seem to be getting. >> Y. >> Now, I realize that this is not going to crank like the keying. Well, you're not going to get the volume of water out of it like >> correct >> the geyser that's under the ground there. >> Okay. >> But is it I I guess is it worth it that if we did this where we could use that
water in like currently the Keings water is mixed in the system with Lancaster reducing the hardness problem like do you understand what I'm saying? Is is it worth trying to do this? Because I guess in theory we could use this water and
put it into the system if the PAS levels are low enough. >> Right. Right. [clears throat] >> I I and my whole opinion from the start that's why we did this was that we if we can find it below the maximum allowable limit no matter what quantity 200
gallons with 300 whatever it is >> we can feed it to Lunberg without spending $20 million to treat it >> right now. >> Right now. And then and then once [clears throat] once it dilutes with the other sources >> y >> then which will be zero [snorts]
>> then uh then what would you know the only people that would have the two parts of the train the ones on reservoir road >> right on the on the >> now you said you had two layers of water >> correct >> clay in between >> yes >> now what were the given the two layers
again what were the >> they call it a confinement lay it's impervious >> pas in each one of them a hardness just need one of them. >> Well, there was hardness in both uh more hardness in the bottom layer than there was in the top layer. >> 220 in the bottom and 180.
>> Yep. 180 was the >> which is still hard. I mean, >> oh yeah, you want you [clears throat] want to be 50 60 range, you know, a little less. >> What's the capacity of the heating well right now to pump? >> Uh permit is for a,000,000 gallons. >> True capacity is probably 3,000.
>> Okay. [snorts] But a,000 >> gallons per minute. >> Per minute. >> 1.4 4 million. >> What would be the capacity of the upper layer? Would they give you the same capacity? >> That's what this is going to tell you. But no, it would not be it would not be 1,00. >> All right. Now, can I finish saying what I was going to say?
>> Sure. You keep going. [cough] >> What if you mix the two of them together? >> You could. >> Okay. >> You could. >> So, you got two parts per tray out of this one does 300 gallons a minute and you mix it with this one. This might be a little little tough for D though. They
don't really like the mixing cuz it's going to be mandatory. You cannot run this well individually. You know, you have to run this one and this one. >> So, it'll be >> Can you drill a well through that without having them mixed without them mixing themselves or >> Yeah. >> In other words, this new well, I don't
really want to call it a well. This new >> well field hole in the wall. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. These people are going to get excited that technically Keading's original wealth could only be taken just offline in just this one pumped fed and sent. >> Yes,
>> that's what I was trying to figure out though. What the capacity correct could be and this would be what the capacity could be. It's never going to be more than what they allow you to pump for the the well that we have now. >> Oh, correct. Yeah. >> I don't think it could. I mean, the Right. You know, just the nature of the
well, right? I I don't think no matter what you find down there, the hardness of buffet buffet for P fast and where it is now, sooner or later it's going to turn into hard water and feed fast.
>> Well, that that's what this whole testing is going to be. >> So, no matter what you do, you're going to need a treatment plant in the future. >> I I I don't think anybody's negating that. You are right. We are going to need a treatment plant in the future. So why do we even hashing over what? >> Well, because I think
>> I know you have to, but to get an idea, but the end run here is going to be >> you drill these wells out, mix them together, get them pumping, get them all together. They're still going to need to be treated. >> Okay, >> there's not going to be any I don't know
why people in this town think that some way there's going to be a magic bullet. >> There isn't. But there may be something that we could uh prolong that out with. It may be a solution for a while. Regulations might change.
>> But the longer you take, the more it's going to cost. Look at the increase it's cost us in the last two or three years. Another 10 years, >> you're talking 125. >> I don't disagree with you. You're right. However, >> we're just a three member board here that the will of the people put out what
the deal is. >> Well, for the six people that watch this, I I know that they got it. >> Yeah. Okay. >> You know, I mean, but like I I like the idea of it, Fran. Do we know how much it'll cost? >> Right. Right. And in the end, >> so this is step one, two, three
all combined. So this is almost $70,000. >> Oh, no. No. No. Add those to that. >> Yeah. >> 30 33 >> 325. >> So that would do all the all the testing that >> is proposed. So, we have
>> I'm going to guess a half million to put the wells in. >> There's some issues with there's other issues that are tied to this. Okay. >> You need a you need a protective radius around each well >> and and tried to have them stay because it's we have a 400t radius. Now, if you
have one big large producing well, it's a 400t radius. >> If you go for a well field with three or more wells, it's a 250 foot radius around each individual weld. So I tried to have him place the well so we can stay inside at 400 ft. He couldn't do
it. So a couple of them would pass. So if that's the case, >> could be 500 ft then? >> No. Then then you would have we'd have to be purchasing land from Kadings. Uh and then there's uh it extended into
the town of Shirley into the conservation land which DP might wave that. They waved it on the other line. He just said if you got a well field, you got to have 250. >> All right. So if you got a well here and a well here, >> 50 ft apart. >> Okay. So you got Oh, 50 ft. So you're
going to have 250 from this one, 250 from this one, 50 in the middle, right? >> No. 50 50, right? >> No. And then 250 from the outside. >> So you take the furthest one, go 250.
There's your border. Okay. And >> then you take [clears throat] this one, you go 250. There's your other >> 500. >> Yes. Plus plus the distance in between. So it' be 600 ft. You need a total >> but it's only >> But he's saying we already own the 400. >> I'm just saying we already have.
>> You put a wall here. You need 250 ft around it, right? >> Yeah. Okay. All >> right. So let's put another >> And then you put another wall over here. >> What if you put it you could put it inside a >> So all right. So this one here now we move it over 50 ft. >> Yes. Okay, we draw another circle.
>> So now you >> Right. >> That's exactly what it is, Bill. >> I know, but you're still going to wind up with 500 ft. >> Either way, you're saying >> Yeah. No, you won't. Actually, now you're saying [snorts] >> you won't. That's 300 [clears throat] ft. But anyway, we're squiggling squaddling over I think.
>> I'm just trying to I'm doing a little benefit analysis of my own on it just trying to wonder. So we're never we get 100,000 gallons a minute we can pump out of the heating well. Now, let's say we can get this thing to pump 500 gallons a minute. Does that mean now the heating well can pump 1500 gallons a minute?
Will they allow us to do that per minute [clears throat] >> or does it m or you know does it increase? >> It would be a new source. So, yes, you'd have you'd have a capacity. They may restrict and say your capacity in that area is 1,000 gallons a minute. Take it
however you want. Okay. Could do that. I don't. >> So, I I understand that we're still So, ideal hardness is 60. the >> the level that we're in is three times what ideal hardness is and the the level that we're already in now is almost four
times what ideal hardnesses. So you doing this you don't cure hardness you get more water less hard and it still has PAS in it so it has to be treated and when this is all done it's a half a
million dollars to put these additional and we're asking people [clears throat] to spend 40 to $80 million on treatment plants >> right now >> right right now So >> well this the way we don't we don't know what the future brings on the treatment
plants >> right and if this was somewhere else like not at an existing well site then maybe a new well site it might I I know but if it was at a new well site that
>> $500,000 >> right then you got the land purchase your pump test and your DP P to 10 years. >> Then your transmission lines primary after the >> Yeah. And we're just we're making this a more
uh robust source, but [snorts] then you're you're kind of there there are are people that would like to see this be our only source. And I hate one source. I'm not a one source. >> Can't have one source. >> Yeah. >> It's like having one fire truck. >> Fran, [clears throat] my question to you
is this. So the permit for the Keings well is a max gallon daily. Correctly. >> Correct. All right. >> 1.4. >> They average it out what we can take out of it. So like he said, it can pump you might be able to pump three gallon 3,000 a minute out of it.
>> But average you're only allowed to pump so much out of it per day. >> Okay. >> 1.4 is your maximum they allow per day. >> As I was saying before I got interrupt. Does that sound like you John? >> Yes. Yes. But what I'm saying is in general, I'm just joking with Mark. >> No, [laughter] yeah, I really I wish I'd
like to be able to finish talking. On average, we don't pump the kings well 24/7. We only pump it at night. >> Correct. >> Okay. So, if we had a source such as this and we could draw it at half the rate, instead of running it for 6 hours at night, you're making it up, we could
run it for 12 hours during the day and get the same numbers in theory. Correct. >> In theory. >> Okay. So we could in theory duplicate the numbers for the keying swell with PA fastets acceptable for right now.
Hardness still being an issue and of course we still need to mix this with something else so that you know my car doesn't turn white every time I wash it. I understand that. I think for the investment into looking into this seeing how I'm not saying we don't need a treatment plan. I know we
do. But like this may buy us some time for a while. I don't know. I don't think it's a bad idea. I understand your position there, Mr. Bur, of like, wow, spend $500,000 not to really get anywhere, but >> but we don't know. >> Yeah. I mean, like, we don't know this.
You might spend this money and it come back and be like fast went to 7.3, but >> it's even worse. >> So, we got a yes, a no, and >> maybe [laughter]
I I agree. So if we don't even explore the option, then we don't even know if it's worth spending the half a million dollars to do it, >> right? I'm okay with spending $30,000 to know that like >> the thing is it's definitely not going to the way I look at it. You're still so
PAS we want to be zero. So we're there's still PAS detect in it. So it doesn't help us with PAS, >> but you pass the limits and it's like >> but it passes it passes the limit. We can use the well. If 2029 showed up today and said, "Hey, shut off all your wells above five piece
baskets." Keings is out. This in theory still be on. >> Could be. >> We wouldn't know until we spend the 30,000 to determine whether it it is. >> Exactly. >> That's Yeah. >> So you you're essentially doing a pump test and everything. And >> so we're going to put in more wells. We're going to rate the wells that were already installed
>> because to to rate a well, you got to put another one next to it. So you pump the the the new the exist the first well and you monitor the water table in the second well that tells you how much water is available. >> So >> well is this something you were going to
put out for the special meeting as well? >> Yes, [clears throat] this is a special meeting. So we're going to call a special meeting. I >> unless you guys don't want to do it I would say this goes on as a special meeting. I personally would love this as a special meeting because I really want to
know what the town thinks >> about. Oh, you mean >> we'd have to we'd have to vote to spend this anyway. >> Correct. >> Yes. If it was going to >> I'd love I'd love to people out there who have a vest invested interest, which it should be everybody. It's their drinking water to be like this is a great idea or no, you're throwing good
money at bad. We still just need to put up a treatment plan. Quit the screwing around this, you know, because I can I definitely uh can can see through your lens Mark of like all I mean we're just kind of putting stuckle on the wall here. >> Now see the way you the way you phrase
that you would like to see the town's opinion. You're not going to get the town's opinion. >> Oh John, I'm going to get the opinion of the people that show up. >> Got a boy. Now you're talking. >> It's all I can do. >> That's what you're going to get.
>> BR I think this is a a great idea. I tried >> and I thought it was a pretty outside the box solution using the land we have, the stuff we have and everything. If it works, I think it's great. If it doesn't, >> man, I feel that we are really trying every option
>> that that was the thing. Well, what do we have for auction? And this was one of the ones I came up with. So, >> let's do it. >> Would you would you put this would we want to do this as a special meeting before like not on the same date as our annual? Is there a press to do this
sooner rather than wait the three months to do the two meetings at the same time? I'm just >> uh Well, you got a vote coming for the PE if we get proof of funding. >> Yeah. [snorts] >> So, I I kind of feel that if we did a special
meeting sooner, then we should have some more information for the people to say, "Hey, we do have this this option. You know, if we treat this, then we can use this temporarily or for years of time.
>> But this this could wait till March too. Is it >> Hey, look at the other thing that this can do is it can lower the amount of PAS that's in our water [snorts] >> sooner than later right now. >> So yes, if they would allow if they I mean we get to blend it now, but we
still have to test it separately. >> I understand. >> So if they did tell us to shut down the main well, yes, you're right. We could probably still utilize this one if it was below the allowable limit. >> I'm just saying if this magically worked tomorrow or we could turn this on, pump a PAS out at 2.3,
>> right? >> You're not This is still not a magically in a perfect world. >> I know, but it does lower the PAS in our water, >> right? >> But it's not a it's not a [clears throat] >> how in a in a perfect world, we vote this test, we spend we get we get a vote
for half a million dollars to upgrade those wells. How long are we answer that one? So, >> you know, so it's still it's not a immediate fix. [snorts] >> So, so >> it's still a this is still a long process.
>> A trash pump on the thing. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> So, the way this works because it's the heating well, the main wells out behind that big pump station. So, it's a low pressure pump that pumps it to the to the pump station. and then the high pressure pumps out to the system. So in
the case of these, we would do three or four. You have to a minimum of three wells. So we do three or four wells, whatever it is, low pressure pumps that are going to pump to the same pump station. So I'm going to tie it into the same water man that goes there now. So that's why I'm at half a million. If it was new pumps and pump station, three
million. >> I'm thinking half a million's on the high side. >> It could be I mean each well I'm going to guess the numbers when you asked. I was guessing uh 100,000 each well 300,000 for the wells >> electrical work site work and
you know they didn't who knows that's why it came with a half million so >> I wouldn't mind time to consider this more but if if I would also push it to whether the board had a appetite to have a special meeting I think that yeah this is something that the the public can
decide yes or no I mean if they want to spend a $30,000 possibly [clears throat] spend half a million dollars to then vote on PAS plans for $40 to $80 million. >> You know, it it we have a very complex
future ahead of us, you know, and I >> I got it. Well, [laughter] >> probably pass. >> That's all right. It's only going to kill me [clears throat] my children. I'd be I'd
be open to a um a a process to move this forward, but it's I don't think it's as quick as you think. >> Oh, I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you, >> but you know. >> Okay. >> It is. It's another It's another avenue. It gives us something else to discuss.
We have to give people what if people don't see this, they don't understand what our options are out there. And I think it's a great way to present it that like you just did like we could do this but then there's also could be a vote to put a money money you know so you know to honestly this is a gamble like do you
want to gamble with your money to try to put a band-aid on this for a time frame that we don't know or no don't do any of this put the plant up and let's just eat it all at once. >> Once again these are all just great ideas we need to put out to the public.
So when when we do these test walls, exploration, investigation, whatever, whatever word you want to use, we're going to pump it. We're going to do peak fast samples on it. So when we start pumping them, assuming we can even find enough water to even make this worthwhile. So let's say there is enough water, we're going to stop pumping it,
we're going to do peak fast sample. Then we're going to pump it longer. PAS sample, PAS sample. So we can say, okay, >> it held, it dropped, it's it's rising. If we see it rising, okay, now we're on borrow time, so we're sure. Yeah. But this is all things we we have no idea until
>> maybe we see it. But you know, >> who knows? >> And then we see the iron and magazines going to show up that doesn't even exist down there. Now the water's hard. Hey >> cuz now you're in a layer with the ground water level. So you could get ironies. >> Okay. So you got two. >> It's a matter of [clears throat] where
we go with the process from here then as far as a uh do we call a special for this? Do we try to do this with a special with the March meeting? That's a lot of information to throw at people. Uh I don't I feel like the March meeting has the same seven things on it than it's had for the past 50 years.
>> Correct. U going to have a lot more this year. >> No truck. That's about it. >> That's it. We're not going to be we're not going to be to a point to discuss the some of the PASS options. I mean, are we going to know for the March meeting whether we get SR?
>> We'll know for we got funded. Yes. [snorts] >> Will we have the survey back by that? Well, we can talk about that a little bit, but uh >> so may maybe this is the March meeting and then something else becomes a special meeting down the road when we get the the the survey done and our
recommendations on >> Yeah, it's not something we have to decide now. If we put this aside, agree that it's going to go to a to a vote to the residents. Let's wait. It's here. If something comes up and we talk about it next month in January and it's like, hey, we want a special next month. yet.
If we don't, March comes around, we put on March. >> So, I guess, Mr. Chair, I would make a motion that we move forward with approving the test
at Kadings. Is this at Ver Verantes test? >> Verdant. >> Verdantest. >> But >> to be voted on at a future date to be determined. He's totally to me. I was make a motion we table it, but whatever you want to do. [laughter] >> Yeah, table. >> I thought we just I'm confused. We just
said we're going to table it. >> Table until we can call a special meeting. >> Right. >> You're making a motion to put it on a special meeting at a future date. >> There we go. There's more than one way to [laughter] count.
>> I believe that I accepted a motion for Mr. first table this until we feel that there's an appropriate time at a a special meeting where it can be brought to the public's view. >> Write that down. >> Yeah, I'll go back and watch this to get all of that.
>> John, did you [laughter] feel about that? >> Great. I'll second that. >> We're all going to get those. >> Okay. All those in favor? Hi. Hi. >> Well, all right. More excited. >> Sorry that I totally confused the board.
I I was a little confused today. >> Won't take much. >> No. >> Uh, all righty. Moving on. Moving on. Moving right along. We'll [snorts] take that. Commissioner, superintendent clerk edition. What do we got? >> All right. So, just more special meeting
stuff. Yeah, if we do a special meeting, uh I was wondering, we always talked about the excavator if you want to put that on there as an option that that we don't really need to need to discuss that. But another thing, uh myself and Christie have been working on with the Neptune, the meter readings. >> Y
>> and we've been looking at this for few years now. We keep going back and forth on it, >> but they're uh data collectors. We we put them on Chase Road tank, Sunny Hill Road Tank, and uh I've talked to the town a few times trying to find a spot down Hickor, put a tower up to read to
read that area on that part. >> But uh I would love to do a as part of that special meeting uh put collectors up on both tanks. >> Okay. >> And uh the price we got was 35,000 for each site. >> Okay. But this is the I mean it sounds
like a lot of money but this is reading meters continuously. So you could do leak detections every day if >> you do live data basically on how much how much would a tower cost to be put up? >> They're cheap. We do ourselves. So
>> six grand $6 for 100 foot tower just like we got here. So, just throwing it out there that if the if we're trying to read the Hickory Hills area that maybe we could consult with somebody we may know on the landowners association down there. They might have an idea possibly
of where they could consider putting a putting a a site up if that I mean nobody wants to see a tower but maybe they would have a spot that might be the best. >> So, even Neptune the the guy that did the site survey said even the Hickor Hills well not a tower. She said just a
pipe with a little antenna on the side of the building would would be huge and no one would even see that. It's like we have everywhere. >> So, but I I've talked to the fire chief because that that's a pretty weak communication area. I talked to the town manager. She was all for it. The
planning coordinator and the building inspector. I spoke to them and I said, "You town owns land around there. You know, are you willing to, you know, maybe we do it together? We put up a tower. We'll pay for the tower and you know fire and police put up their own stuff on it. >> We already have an Eastman down in
Hickory Hills. >> Well, yeah, but I mean that would be just a little thing. Well, I'm not going to put a tower up >> so everybody knows I'm not putting a tower. I mean, if I put a pipe and an antenna on, don't that would be not visible. I mean, the antenna is >> 4t tall. It's a little white thing, you
know. It's not >> Would that Would that give us what we need down there? be better than what we have now, >> but not not ideal, >> right? So, to me, you know, if we could buy get a not buy, borrow a piece of land that someone, >> right?
>> You know, just stick up a tower. You could probably run it off solar, not even do >> Sure. >> You can rig up something. Yeah, >> I think the residents would see a huge benefit to this as well because um in talking with the Neptune rep and everything, once this goes live, not
only will I be able to sit here in the office, click a button, >> it reads every what was it? Four minutes. >> Uh there was a high power high, but sure, >> but every so many minutes it's updated.
But the nice thing was is that residents can set up an account >> and they can say here's my address, my meter, and if say they're on vacation for a week and their spot was left on outside, it's going to send them an alert. It's going to send me an alert,
but it's going to send them an alert too that says your water has been running for 24 hours and has not stopped. What's going on? So I you know this past year how many people have we come in have come in to speak to you guys about high water bills. I mean this would be I mean
beneficial for me billing wise um to read finals to get alerts live alerts like hey something's going on at this address but the other side of that is the residents can take a >> monitor it as well. So I think this would be it would be nice for the
special at least we were talking about at least if we could start with two. >> So this would start this is still a district vote so it would be a special. So >> yes. So it was another thing >> this could be the [clears throat] annual too because we need it till July 1st. >> Yeah. >> But I'm already on this. So we're doing
the new radios on the tanks. I already got the antennas going up. We have the cable there. So we're just going to plug it in. >> Yep. >> So >> I love it. I think it's a great idea. I'm in favor of trying to do what we can for everybody in the district. So, I stay on trying to figure out a way to
secure a location for an antenna to make the system as complete as you can. >> They did a um >> what was that called the test that they did >> sight surveyation? Uh they had a special >> they had a special term for it, but they basically went and said, >> "Here's [snorts] your map."
>> Y >> and they did it and they and that was basically what they said. We did one at Chase Road, one at Sunny Hill, and they were like, "That is the >> propagation >> propagation study. That is the one area that we could not hit is Hickory Hills. >> There's got to be even." >> So they they gave a couple suggestions,
but there the um salesman who we talked to knows that we have a well down there. So he was like, "We don't have to buy land. You already have something there." And we're like, "Oh, [laughter] wait." you know, but that was the only area >> that was hit right now.
>> I mean, it if anybody has concerns, drive around the garage. The tower is right here. >> It's it's a 100 foot tower. It's 18 in wide. It's aluminum. >> Y >> it's a 5ft slab of cement that holds the base. >> So, we build the antenna and we just pop it up and >> paint it green, make it look like a
tree, and it's good to go. >> Branches on it. >> That one was five grand. So, I I raised it to six. I'm not sure what the cost is now, but it could be seven, right? That's still >> Yeah. >> You go and pay someone to do it. That's 50 grand. >> Oh yeah. >> So anyways, I think that'd be a good one to put on.
>> I think so. [snorts] >> That's all I got for the specials. >> I got a whole bunch of other little things, though. >> I >> What' you say? I don't want to put my foot in my mouth, but I'm going to
>> I know that the Woodlands isn't exactly communicating with us properly, but we might be able to I don't know. I guess would we have to ask their attorney if if it would be if they wouldn't try to we we should be able to put the towel on. Yeah. Yeah. We have to ask him out.
>> But I mean, yeah, I'm not even going to get involved in that. >> Let's uh I like this idea. I would be very that propagation map like you're talking about. I would like to sit down and see like, you know, there are many areas in the Hickory Hills area, the old dump site. >> That's what I talked to Tom um that
>> let's just see like with those coverage area. >> Let me get that study from them so we can see their >> Yeah. >> And I'm sure there's like you said it's a pretty there this there's town own land down there that >> we we don't need
>> it's not an agreement just you could put your towel there as long as we can put our antennas on. Yeah. There we go. Boom. Boom. Done. >> Yeah, it's this is not a huge deal. This should be pretty easy. So, >> yes, >> ideally town on land because they want to absolutely >> they want to they want to put police
fire on it then they should be down. >> But I'm just kind of curious where that that that map that provocation map trail because where I'm trying to think I'm just >> personally thinking of airs and I would think that on the other side of that lake is where if you had a tower over there you would get the most coverage but you know I don't I didn't see the
>> Yeah. No, I think he he just thought >> Oh, immediately you guys have a well site down there, but even though even that well site may not be the ide. >> Okay, that's good. All things that we could look in. I think this is a great idea. >> And then you know we always own a ton of
land out there behind the near conservation behind >> uh towns have a road. I couldn't have contacts with some of those people that own that. So, >> right. What's your difference? >> All right. So, uh, this one's kind of a little we we got a non-compliance from
DP. I think it was like two months ago. I mentioned that the the wells on Lancaster AB wells five and two triggered the PAS sampling and we got triggered the monthly. So, the email from them stated you you are now uh
going to need to test monthly. New sampling plan will be forwarded. So to me, I was waiting for the sampling plan, which we got the sampling plan with a non-compliance cuz we didn't do the samples. You didn't tell me to do the samples and they said, "Yes, you did." Yes, we did. And that So that little
email, I was kind of fighting with them a little bit over it. And they said, "It's non-compliance. No big deal. You just got to put in your CCR, your consumer conference report." So I'm like, "Okay." So I'm just letting you know. So if you see something come up, then >> So they told you you needed to do monthly testing. They didn't tell you
how to do it. And then they said >> when to start doing it. They they just said you you you trigger the the high level, you're now going to be required to do monthly sampling. >> Okay. So, >> new sampling plan will be forwarded. And usually we don't do it until we get the sampling plan. We'll look at that plan.
And that's that's how we always do it. And I said, but you didn't tell me to do the sampling immediately. If you told me that, I would have we would have done it. >> Did they forward a sampling plan to you >> with the non-compliance? >> That's when we got the three years ago. So, okay. Anyway, so it's not really a
big deal. >> Let's get on that sampling plan. >> Yeah, >> we've already done two tests >> like getting a speeding ticket at work. >> Okay, so another little thing I I drew some colors on the map. >> So, we got uh blue is system
improvements. Uh the reds is water manes that have we have failure rates failures on that we really should replace. And the green is just system improvements that would benefit the system. Ty in some pretty big loops. Yep. >> Hover street a big loop. That' be great. And then another one's down Fish Street.
Lister road. >> Yep. >> That would be a good one. >> And then uh it's a blue but crossroad. Crossroads kind of we had that the leak we fixed a couple weeks ago. >> That that's a crazy area. Water manes going through woods, you know, behind
stuff. It it's so my thinking was it you know if we wanted the correct stuff we run the water man down cross road go up Pine Grove tie in Lake View do do it the right way right now runs down off Pine runs through a driveway and we we couldn't even find the main we don't
even know how deep it is we were deep we couldn't we couldn't find it and then Pine goes through the woods to go away >> so I mean if we could correct things maybe shut off the loop that goes through the woods or leave it going and have a valve or whatever Right. >> But but tying into Crossroad and Sure.
>> just just make things. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> no, I like it. >> Typical. And then we still have more. I mean, Cross Road >> goes out behind all the houses down >> to Fish Street because I guess the old road used to be over there. So that's kind of why >> the main's over there, but it's not
there anymore. So, but that one I decided to put to fix that one. But yeah, if you want to just peek at it, whatever. Anybody wants to see it, >> it's a good idea. >> Okay. So then, uh, on that note, we got a lot of work ahead of us, stuff going
on. I know, but did you guys want to We talked about hiring somebody a couple weeks ago. Did you get if you guys want to do it? It takes a long time to do it. Resumes and >> interviews and we talk about we have the budget for that. We already did. >> We already did. We already had it in the budget for the year.
>> That's right. Yep. >> So, it's already there. So, we just you guys if you think that's something we want to do, you know, we always talk that uh [clears throat] busy season starts April 1st. >> So, get someone in just, you know, maybe March 1st and learn the wells routines
and stuff like that, you know, start learning the system and then um >> so what what do you guys think? If you want want to go at it now, then we can plug away at it. I think it would be good to get someone into the routine of >> So we're looking to hire somebody that
would be a operator and treatment as a goal is that everybody becomes operators and treatment or do we become so like I know other departments >> uh water systems some people have like treatment guys operators
or does it always blend? No, they some some are exactly as you said, there's the treatment guys and then there's the distribution guys. >> In this case, I I like everybody knowing everything, >> you know. It's just I think it's a >> small to be able to say you're the only
one to do treatment because if that one guy >> is sick, [clears throat] something comes up, everybody needs to be able to know. even when we get the treatment plans. >> I think I think that's something really don't want to learn the treatment plan, but I think I I really think I
should I should know how that thing works, too, you know, cuz >> you never know if someone someone's sick or something. >> Hey, I got alarm. I got to get on. You need to you need to know. >> Yeah. >> Now, what treatment plan is that? >> Be able to put one in the future.
>> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. Right now, our treatment is pretty simple. >> Just check. Yeah, we already have it budgeted. >> We did we did it on last year. >> Yeah, we did it for >> Yeah, if if you're looking to hire somebody for spring, I guess now's the time to start. >> Yeah, post it up.
>> Yeah, I've had a a couple people just drop resumes off, so I've been holding on to them. Um, but yeah, we can do mass waterworks. Um, and actually Capital Strategic does a lot, too. They'll add things on there. Blasts out. Hey, job
opportunity. I don't think you have to I can't I don't know. I'll have to ask her. But anyways, a couple local local places. >> Do you foresee getting into some of this stuff? So, do we have to consider an increase on our >> um
maintenance budget? >> Uh we got that little replacement thing replacement one. >> We do 50 >> a year. We were talking maybe kick it up to 100. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And you know, so next year definitely uh metal lane.
>> Yeah. We'll finish that and uh now and I might go a little further. Then I'll I'll bring it up to you guys. We'll we'll do a little game plan of you know what we want to do. >> Uh so that'll be next year. So that that'll be good. And then then if we have this extra guy that we have days,
like I said, it was just myself and PJ, you know. So >> and uh >> it was kind of nice. >> That could still could still that could still happen. As long as we're moving forward, we already know there's savings involved when we're >> Oh, huge. Yep. So,
>> I would say, yeah, I would say look at if you've got some good candidates, then we should discuss them. >> So, to kind of follow up with that, um I know in the past when we've kind of gone through it, like we started with um like inhouse >> Mhm.
>> narrowed it down and then brought a couple to you guys. Is that how you guys want us to proceed? again, narrow them down. We make phone calls. They come in and talk to us internally and then we'll set up another meeting. Then we then we talk. >> Yeah. Then you guys would do that. Okay.
>> Okay. >> I agree. >> All right. >> Okay. So, the only one I had was John's I think not running for commissioner again. So, I just wanted to put it out there. So, >> we should put it that you know, so people can come in and uh pull papers. I
just wanted to just say that so she can mention the the dates. What were the dates? >> We forgot to get them. >> No, >> I mentioned it earlier. Uh, so yeah, so the nomination paper you draw from here. We got a few people. >> Yep. >> U
pick them up here and then there's a date that they have to be returned to here. Then we submit them for the town where they certify everybody on the list. And it was >> Yeah. So I have my note. Um, so you have to come to Yeah. Come here, grab the nomination papers. They have to be back
to me by Thursday, February 19th. Um I prefer that morning because then I need to get them to um clerk at town hall for her to certify everything. She'll certify, get it back to me. >> And by doing that, that puts their name
on the ballot. >> Yes. >> And for the annual meeting on March 20, Saturday, March 28th. >> Correct. >> Okay, that's all I have. That's it. >> I could find more if you want. >> You almost [snorts] got cut.
>> Oh, yeah. I got I got >> uh the survey. So, we had some comments of certain things that the survey said from the last meeting. Uh there was a section where it's slightly more expensive the hick rails and Lancaster AB treatment. Uh to me, it is slightly
so but I we like all right, let's get rid of it. So, we took that whole section off and it doesn't mention about expenses at all. So, uh, one of the other comments that came through was it kept mentioning and I think it was time bond that did it net present value and I
removed that and put, uh, total loan cost, principal and interest. So, that way you know the loan. >> Sure. >> So, I changed the I changed them all. So, the reason why they did the net present value was the loan plus the onm. >> Correct. >> So, that was 30 years. how much is it
going to take to run that well in maintain it and everything needs you need to do the thing. >> So I I changed it so you can see just the loan cost. So loan like uh Keening well they had uh net present value of
38.4 the actual number is 36.1 with the with the loan 4% loan. >> Y >> uh Hickory Hills uh net present was 51.8 true number is 46.4 four and that one's actually with zero inches long which is what we had and didn't vote on it was
27.8. >> So I did that with all so 41.2 for Lancaster walls got a type >> that that is the that's the old one. Okay.
>> Yeah. I had a new one. I came a new one yesterday. All right. So so if we look at the options so we were doing Ky Lancaster was an option one. Option two is Hickory Rails in Lancaster >> and option three was >> Al. >> Okay. So if you look at the cost of that
one uh total loan cost 72.1 for Kings in Lancaster >> uh zero in is not available because they don't uh Hickory Hills was uh uh $41 million and it came to uh if you
did a 4% loan 70.5 million. >> Hickory Hills plus Lancaster. Correct. >> Hickory Hills and Yep. like because 70.5 million if you did a 4% loan, 49.8 if you got SRF, you know, so it's it's pretty more than $20 million you save by
doing the 0%. And then if you did all three sources, it came to 80.7 million, but if we tie it to the Hickory Hills, all three, >> yeah, >> we might be able to get it at 55.8. The only difference between Lancaster
and Hickor and Katy is the raw raw water transmission. That's it. And if we're doing these projects in land water manes, no one says that we couldn't do that as well. >> If you talk about a raw water man and
you you look at the fact that >> if we don't do all three together, >> we still have to have some sort we we have to have a plan to have redundancy. Mhm. >> The only way to have redundancy and the only community I think you thought could
feed us consistently with enough water would be Townsen. >> Correct. I spoke to Townsen numerous times. At first it was Yeah. Gung-ho lun shot off your walls and feed you everything. >> And then I went to the to the board of water commissioners and they backed off
of that and they're like, "Well, you we we couldn't do that." And then it was they were at the stage of well how much could we do and commit to and uh then it came into the the cost some of the some of the board members wanted to charge more than they charge their people
>> and then there was no like surplus budget you know bulk rate thing so it was they they didn't and I'm like well figure out what you want to what you guys think and let me know and I talked to the I don't know if he's the chairman one of the board members I I talked to him frequently and he said they haven't
really finalized benefit. So, but they do have available water if there's something short-term >> and in order to get to that, we need to put in a transmission main >> and that estimate was $6 million. >> So, if we're if if we were talking about
trying to utilize one of our sources and putting in a transmission main for that amount of money and then it's our water we own because we put a transmission main into Townsen, >> then we have to buy the water, >> right? So
to me, you know, utilize utilizing all of our sources and and putting a transmission main in covers us for everything, quality, redundancy, and resiliency. >> And it's the cheapest way out
>> in the long term. >> Well, I mean, it's still a lot of money no matter what, but >> still the cheapest way out. But, you know, to be able to get the SRF funding and to be able to to treat all of our sources and utilize all of our sources properly, you're not putting a burden on
any one uh that could cause problems down the road. So, if you're putting a burden on one resource, then your resiliency goes away. >> [clears throat] >> So the only way to cover all of those things which I feel are very important
quality. Now you're you're saying that with option three we can um blend the water to reduce the hardness. >> So >> much much more. So all of those people that have issues with hard water, it
goes away because everybody that gets Lunberg water gets the same quality of water out of the out of the tap. >> Correct. [snorts] >> Versus grabbing hard water from Keings and everybody along the way gets completely hard water
and you don't have the capability to blend except with the way we're doing it now, which really isn't blending. But so you you're sending all your water to one spot, treating it in one spot, and everybody gets the same water, good quality.
>> So So on on Lancaster A. So if we ran that more, we could reduce the hard water. When we do do that, we get complaints of green water because there's iron and manganesees and the chlorine when it hits it, it turn you get a color tinge to it.
>> So we'll get the Zach, the pool guy. Mhm. >> He's the he's the one that complains the most. Why is the water great? >> Yeah. >> And uh well, we ran Lancaster longer to do a PA fast. >> So I mean it's so if we ran it much longer, a lot longer. I mean to really
>> res >> affect the the hard water. I mean because we would >> it's funny we you know we complain about the hard water because we get a lot of calls on it. Yeah. Back off Ke because we had tons of calls when Kings was doing the pilot test, right? the Blun the Lancaster Radwells fed Bloomberg for
months, four months, five months and that was green water calls and we gained quite a few of them. So, >> so point treating plant we'll get rid of the iron maganesees hopefully depending how you do it hard water and
>> gives us a lot of options if all of our raw water is going to one place and coming out treated. Sure does. >> Okay, so one more thing on that thing. So on the O andM cost this this has come up several kind several times. So uh
optional Keing and Lancaster anticipate annual O andM cost 240,000 hit and Lancaster 275,000 and then all so all of them all three of them um carried at 275 because >> I just carried that number over and the
engineers said that that was a good number to carry. So those are I confirmed the hit grills and Lancaster number the 275 which we've had comments said is not accurate. I called them it cost us money. I said run those calculations again. So they confirmed
that that is an accurate number. They said it's actually probably slightly higher than it should be which is uncomfortable. >> I'd rather see a higher number than how you know rather >> absolutely. >> So so those numbers are confirmed. So
>> survey is good to go. >> Yeah. So we tweak those things and like I said the net present value is gone was the total loan cost. >> Uh yeah we'll leave themsel figures correct so people can see it
>> and >> all right >> the zero inches alone is the huge thing. Hopefully we get >> let's let's send that survey out. >> Yeah. I think we these were the last few things that you >> you mentioned the comment section. >> Yes. At the very end. Yes. >> Yeah. [snorts] Paul Paul brought that up. So is that I'm not sure. Do we put
it on the survey >> or do we >> Yes. >> On the online is that online where they would >> Yeah. So it would be on this cuz what's going to be mailed out isn't the survey. It's going to be the QR code. >> So once you get to that that'll link to
an answer. That'll be a separate thing. Yeah. Yes. So that will be added at the end. >> Yes. Love it. Okay, [snorts] let's do that. [clears throat] >> Okay. >> Okay, wrapping it up. >> Yeah. Closing. >> Yep. >> All right, moving on. Ran, you're done. >> Mr. Brush,
>> I got nothing. >> Amazing, huh? >> I could think about it, but I I'll I'll Mr. Espazita. >> I'm saving mine till the end. >> We're at the end. We're at the end. >> No, I mean the end yet end. Um, >> do you have anything? >> I do not.
>> I do not have anything. I'm making a motion for you. No, we can't do that yet. Gotcha. I got you. >> I forgot about Mr. >> I got to do public comment. You don't want to say I don't want to say nothing. >> Public comment. Do we Do we have any
public comment? >> Not okay. No. [laughter] It's It's all good. Paul Grundits, 35 John Street. I tried to understand what you're doing with the different starts of the um down on reservoir road you
know reservoir well >> correct is this that [clears throat] I'm not all there but I I think I got most of it when we have that special if we have a special meeting I think we need to reach out to get see if we can get more people to come to the meeting
and a suggestion that wouldn't cost us anything I'm sure that Sully would do it you know the sign they have in front of the fire Oh, they they they do it. >> We already do it. >> If you have a suggestion, Paul, I would >> I would I would welcome it. We do everything we can.
>> That sign's out there. Special water meeting. >> This is my other suggestion. If we hold off on the survey until we know if we're going to do a special town, a special meeting, and include that on the survey so everybody's got has the information.
>> I appreciate that comment. But I know you want to get the survey going >> because we need to get that survey out. It's been it's just and I know what you're saying. >> I'm just trying to help you. >> No, I get it. We just we need to get that out because it's been delayed too long. That will hopefully provide us some valuable feedback. I know what
you're saying. I believe that survey will actually reach people. Now, whether they choose to take it or not, that's that's their own, you know, I can't do that. Are are we going to plan if we do do a special meeting, we going to put it in any not the Pittsburgh Sentinel but like the ledger something? >> Yeah. Has to get posted
posted in the ledger gets posted at whale variety. >> Yep. >> Town hall. We publicize as much as we can. >> Okay. >> Um it's like Yep. Thank you, >> Mr. Fortune. How are you?
>> Hello. Good. John Fortune 50 drive. A couple of comments. one we were going back and forth. You were going back and forth. I was an obviously but uh about the about your regular meeting. There was nothing in your bylaws that say you can't do something and put it in place
tomorrow versus the at the end of the fisc year. That may have been what you've been doing and and the way it's been been done. >> State law. >> Okay. I'm just saying in your by I checked your bylaws because I happen to have them right here. So, but it's a state law what [snorts] you're saying. So, okay. That's fine. Uh just trying to
that's uh the other thing is a commercial property. There is a commercial property, the new one that Proctor owns on uh Massav there, which might be a great place for an antenna. Uh easy access to get in and out or whatever. I don't know if he'd be willing to do that or not, but it seems
to me like something like this where you may have to have, you know, I don't know what this one looks like, but it's a piece of commercial property which is near Higer that might be out there. >> Actually, Bad idea. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And that would cover that side of town, I think. >> Yeah. Down the low. All we need to do is
get down low and get higher than the tree line. >> Yeah. Higher than the tree line. So, that may be something he's he's willing to do. I mean, I I can't speak for him, but it just seems like that's something that ought to go on a commercial property. >> Why didn't I think of that? >> You would have eventually. [laughter]
>> Twice a week. I mean, >> exactly. [snorts] Uh, that's all I had. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Do you have anything else to add, Mr. Espazito? >> Yeah, I'm going to wait till the end. >> This is the end. [laughter]
>> No, I'm all set. >> So, would you like >> So, what do you what do you got? >> Make a motion to >> That was a struggle. That was a struggle. >> That was tough. I don't want to let it out too easy.
Good job everybody.