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Part 1 (Video ID: oAX_AeG8ang):
- 00:00:02: Meeting Start, Pledge, Approve Prior Meeting Minutes
- 00:01:13: Reappointing District Employees and Legal Counsel
- 00:02:18: Reorganizing Board of Water Commissioners
- 00:02:35: Review and Approve Site Plans: New Round Road Development
- 00:06:41: Benjamin Builders: Exploring Grant Opportunities for Waterline
- 00:16:31: Resident Request: Extend Water Line to End of Ruth Road
- 00:29:18: Motion to Approve Water Main Extension, Time Bond Contact
- 00:30:32: Public Comment: Document Accessibility on Open.Gov
- 00:32:10: Discussion: Water Line Size and Hydrant Coordination
- 00:34:37: Public Comment: Discussion and concerns for SRF funding
- 00:42:04: Discuss Purchase of Rubber Tire Excavator: Volvo Option
- 00:55:50: Excavator Purchase Approved with Bucket Modifications
- 00:58:52: Commissioners, Superintendent, Clerk Treasures Addition
- 00:59:08: Discussion: Route 2A Main Break and Lining Option
- 01:05:22: McMillan, Time Sheet for SRF funding, timeline for SRF
- 01:16:11: Public comment and clarification on SRF concerns
- 01:40:59: How SRF passes or fails, questions and responses.
- 01:50:50: Schedule of next meeting, future workshop and details
- 01:55:50: Concerns about how public are informed about SRF, Zoom usage
- 02:04:50: Lanny Orchard to add services
- 02:07:54: Thanks to employees that helped to the annual meeting
- 02:11:09: Address to concerns about Mr. Enkey to Florida, zoom


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Okay. >> Okay. Uh, good afternoon everybody. Today is April 8th. It's 4 p.m. This is the Lunberg Water District Commissioners meeting. I'm going to start by saying the pledge of allegiance over here

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to you. >> No. Jesus. Don't. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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>> Okay. Next thing we got is the approved minute of March 15th uh and annual meeting of March 28th. Mr. Chair, I'd make a motion we accept the minutes of the regular meeting March 25th, 200 >> March 15th.

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>> I got March 25th, 2006. >> No, it is March. >> Yeah. >> Uh, no. So, is the uh agenda wrong or the meeting? That's correct. >> So, the 25th uh and the annual meeting minutes from March 28th, 2026.

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>> Second that. >> All those in favor? I go. Next we have reinfor reappoint employees and legal counsel. Mr. Chair, I make

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uh slate of appointments to be voted on for uh the following members of the district or employees of the district. Superintendent Francis G. McNamer, clerk treasurer, Christina Schwinger, uh office assistant Lisa M.

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Carlesco flag water operators Terry Truax, Philip Martinez, Ryan Goodman, Daniel McNamera, and council KP Law. I will second that. Okay. If anybody wants to discuss that at all,

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>> uh, this is something that, um, you can vote on. That's what I was ask. All those in favor? I >> I >> Okay. Reorganized bar board of water commissioners.

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Can I make another motion, Mr. Chair? Sure. Can I make a a a motion to nominate uh Matthew Woodward as chair of the board of water commissioners? >> Second. >> You sure? >> All right. All those in favor?

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>> I >> Okay. All right. Now a review to vote and approve site plans for the new development and Round Road. Gentlemen, thank you. >> Thank you. Um Greg Roy with Dillson Roy. It's good to I don't think I've ever been before you. I think I know most of

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people on this table, but nice to see you. Um and I'm here with Gary at Benjamin Builders. Um and so um I'll just be real brief with this. Um, and actually I'm going to flip this page back one overall planet.

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Um, Benjamin Builders has um been working with the current owners of uh this 50 acre piece that sits between uh Round Road, Harmentor, and Ruth. So, it's this piece right in here. Um, and

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we've been working on uh designs for an ANR subdivision. ANR U meaning approval not required, but actually needs an approval from the planning board. Uh, but basically what that means is we're we're not proposing a road at this stage. We may propose something uh for

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some remaining land uh later, but there's enough frontage and area uh for 25 lots on Round Road, Parmentor, and Ruth on currently um current public road right away. So, we've actually gotten endorsed what's known as an ANR plan

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from the planning board uh for the 25 lots that you see in this plan. Um we have uh conducted soil testing on the property for on-site sewage disposal systems. Um and we're proposing what's before you here in these plans is a uh

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is a new water man extension. Um your water man of course exists um on um reservoir reservoir road. There is no water although the the entire property here is in the district. There is no water that's been extended into this uh

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into this neighborhood. Um there are several houses of course along Round Road, Parmentor, and Ruth and Ruth Streets um that would have the benefit of this. Um but we're proposing an 8 in extension. You have an 8 existing 8 in stub uh that was um

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visualized when that water man was installed on reservoir. So, we're looking to tie in there and extend an 8 inch main uh around the uh the public road rightways. Um we do have a um there was a previous

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iteration of the plan. I I I mentioned before there's a a fairly good size lot 25 actually in this plan is a very large chunk of land um that we will probably do something with in the future. We had initially um been trying to work with the planning board to include that as

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part of the ANR plan. Um so at the time we were planning to extend the water man um along uh Fire Road 15A uh 15, excuse me. That will probably be done in the future but not immediately. Um so we we've set the plan up so that we can uh

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we have a terminal hydra here at the at the dead end of Round Road where it sort of turns on to and turns into Fire Road 15. Um so we we may do that. It's part of this plan set, but it'll probably be done as a in future. >> You said there's a hydrant here or you're planning. >> Yeah.

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>> Right. So, we've set it up so that that could be, you know, the terminal point with a valve actually for >> Sorry. So, all all the hydrant locations I've gone, we we a couple times. I pass it through the five chief. He's all on board with them, too. So, when that was

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on the plan, >> myself and the fire chief approved. >> Yep. And the only thing I the only other thing I wanted to say is um and then Gary I think wants to talk a little about some grant opportunities is looking at um we have filed um there are some wetland areas here. We have filed a notice of intent for this project with

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the conservation commission. I think it's on next week uh next week at their hearing. Um so that's that's ongoing as well. We understand need to get that approval. Um and I think that's all for me. Turn over to >> Sure. So, I'm Gary Lorden from Benjamin

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Builders and I wanted to thank everybody for letting us come in tonight and uh actually this afternoon, which I love a four o'clock meeting the heck out of seven. My son Mitchell and my wife Heidi are there as well and uh congratulations Bill on your new appointment.

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>> So, we have um we just got our pricing in quotes for waterline um for the extension here and it was a real sticker shock. So then we started to investigate grants and this project would fall very well into some of the state grants that

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they have now. We my daughter Ally who would normally be here but she just had on the third of March had her third baby boy. >> Congratulations. >> So but she's home still doing some of this type of stuff because this is out of my this is out of my job. >> I believe she's the one I spoke to. Correct. >> I'm sure you did.

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>> Yeah. She called and we spoke about the grant that you were talking. Okay. >> Right. So what she has so she looked into the grants and uh >> she put together and they had mentioned that you know submitted into the AI version with the state and it'll come back and it'll kick back and tell you if

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it's viable. So it it is um so she put it in and what we'll do is that >> I his daughter just to kind of give you guys a little back just called me the other day had mentioned a little bit of this and was curious about grants and I the only one that I knew of was the one

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that we just applied for or working on with time bond for the one stop growth grant. >> So I had kind of explained too that that would be one thing the engineers would probably have to look at is you know time bond's already working on that for us. So, I don't know if we can apply for

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this grant >> for more than one project. Um, maybe that might be a question. I actually will be talking to Bond probably. >> So, um, >> Ally kind of >> implied that possibly that they could be tied in together. >> Oh,

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>> and that and that this project might help >> developmental part. Yeah. because it it fits that characteristic which the state loves and would help your grant that you're looking for already >> because this is a stronger >> this is stronger >> for the developmental part and that's

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what the state is really >> big big big on >> yep >> so when put this in u the pro gave the project fit and then on the eligible programs if you look on the eligible programs there's three areas the housing works infrastructure program the rural

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development fund ally was the one who typed in in parenthesis under 7,000 because she looked into these funds to make sure that what the AI was saying that she had an understanding of it. So when she looked at these three, number one and number three were pretty much a home run. But

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number the middle one, number two, it spells out that it's for um towns under 7,000 population and Lunberg's at 12,000. So she put in here under 7,000, Lunberg 12,000 question mark questioning whether it would truly apply to the rural

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whether the AI version made a mistake with it or whether they they say it still applies or whatever. We're not sure, but we know that two out of three is it certain it certainly does. So um so what we're hoping to do is get the

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water commission's um blessing to see if we can roll this into the grant that you have or start a new grant with it. And then obviously we realize that we're going to receive some type of gain out of this as well. Um, so we'd be certainly amendable to doing

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something to offset it, whether it's donation to the thing or purchasing something or doing something that benefits the water commission as well cuz we're not looking for a free meal. It's just the cost of this to do it is too high and we'd like to re rework and

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relook at it now for wells because of the cost. But we think that it serves a benefit to the to that district bringing the water down there for fire safety, you know, protecting the lake and numerous other things. And and the state loves at this point in time, they love

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this type of u growth for uh grants. >> What what's the basis for the grant? What what's the program? >> Uh well, this you would know by >> we started looking into it a while ago. It's called the onetop grow. on stuff.

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>> Yep. Um it it basically is um >> tied in with the up the uh >> does it tied in with that as well? I think >> I think so because I started looking at that because I have to set up a um a whole account with them and I was looking at it today. So we did I want to say

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>> we did we ended up doing one in gardener which was the the first year they did it which was the largest one they allowed in gardener because we took a >> a blighted uh building and refurbish the whole thing. Yep. >> And the program worked really well. >> Yeah. It's it's kind of it's not just

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like water sewer drainage. It's it's about promoting industrial developmental residential growth >> state. It's for the state >> in any in any way. Yeah. Possible. So um so we submitted or they just signed off

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for time bond to help submit the application for extending the water mean down Lister Shirley Road um to promote resident um industrial growth and everything like that. So um the only thing I would maybe suggest to the board

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is is maybe having before you guys say yes or no whichever way you want to go. I that's the only question that I had is just to figure out one how we would tie the two together or how that would affect if we're already applying for one

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and how this I mean I think if >> if they can work together and we can do both projects and submit it as one >> we can at least investigate see is it okay if we apply for two different two separate projects but I if we can tie it together yeah >> I we're tying in industrial land with

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the residential development I think to me >> that's going to bump up her qualifications because they kind of want to see >> check more boxes to ask for like the AI spits back, you know, do you have a ready and committed

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developer to go and you know it's already approved private that could bump that up. >> So that bumps it up. So they ask all these things and we're all all the things that the AI is asking for definitions. We check all the boxes. >> So >> we're hoping it works out. I mean, we

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have we've we've signed the contract with Ty Bond to work on our part of it. >> So, when why don't we start investigating? See if we can tie it to us. >> What do they think? >> And if they hey, we apply for two separate projects and we kick it back together. >> And if it worked out and I'm just speaking, you know, just brainstorming.

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But if it worked out that it was a benefit to both parties, then obviously it would seem um that Benjamin Builders should incur the cost for tying bond and all those expenses which would take that cost off the water department because we're getting some gain out of it. You

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know what I mean? And >> we'll have to look to see how it kind of >> but I'm just saying I know there's a lot >> it might be worth if you guys are okay a conversation with Delroy and Bond communicating >> regarding the two projects >> if we could if we could put them all together I think it would be cleaner.

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>> Yeah. >> And they're right in the same area. >> Right. And and I I agree what you know Mr. Horton said about if if there is an additional fee at time bond for the application. >> Yeah. if if we if he'd be willing to do that and and um you know, we could move

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forward from there. I had another spot when we're done with them that I'd like to consider if if we can add multiple spots in town. I had one more spot I wanted to review that if we could put more spots on just I wanted to get the board feeling before and >> I think the biggest thing the only thing

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that I've never really seen which maybe your daughter found a little more but I was hoping to get answers from time on was like percentages or dollar amounts. I haven't really seen, you know, like >> well, if if it if it falls into the upp um they do have ceiling, they had

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ceiling limits before. >> Yeah. >> So, um but even if it's a even if it's the town gets what they want and there's partial participation and that we supplement the >> supplement. Yeah. >> So, I think it's worth investigating it. Yeah. >> Further, do you know Graten?

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>> Was this what they did last year for 500 M Street? >> Not sure. They got a Grime just got a big grant last year. >> Yeah. >> For a private public partnership type of thing. It's got to be the same one. >> And it was in excess of a million. I mean, it was million5.

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>> It's hefty. It's >> just curious when you ran the numbers, what was did you come up with the cost? What you think it would cost to run these these? I got I got it from Powels and they wanted Alli's third boy that she just had.

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>> $240 somewhere,000 >> to put the >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 800. I'm sorry. I wish it was. >> Yeah, it was $840,000 >> to put this infra to for this infrastructure installed. >> And I and I think it's high. So, we're

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going to we're going to quote it. Can you describe what it was that what part of what what was included in that for the water? >> Yeah, everything here and I think it also included this. It did include this as well. So, this will be coming out right here. But it included all of this.

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The hydrants. >> Is all that off the road or on the road? >> Well, it's a mix. >> So, I assume the town is not looking to where they just repaved a lot of stuff down there. >> They haven't done it yet. >> They haven't paved it all. >> They got enough books to do it. So, it's ideal time. >> They're co they're coordinating with us

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on that. Good. >> And so, they said they were going to kick the can down the road a little bit so that leave us time to put this in then they'd repay. So, we thought that was >> good idea. Really good. >> There's not many of those that come up. >> No, timing is everything. >> Yep.

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>> Great. >> One other we got in uh a phone call and an email um and they requested that I did share that email. I think you guys all have a copy um joint request to extend water line to the end of Ruth Road. >> Oh yeah. >> I just they they asked that the

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commissioner see it and and request um you know resident had called and said there was like four homes at the end of Ruth and they had requested that the board um might have a say in it or the developer at looking at just including that last little section. Um I

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>> from Perkins >> um >> yes and then a um another gentleman had sent it. So >> it's Matthew Sarah. I'm Mary Perkins. >> Is it okay if I speak? >> Yeah. I think if you want to though we

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got to get you at the podium from >> Hi everyone. Um, thank you for letting me come up today on Mary Perkins and thank you to Benjamin Builders for some partnership um with me on other things and I really appreciate that very very

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much. Uh, so I had noticed that the water line was going short and also my neighbor Matt Sak had as well and it's only leaving out the four homes. Um, and so he wrote a letter and asked if we

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would all the four homes uh be included to go all the way to the end of Root Street. And here's the letter that we all signed. You have the unsigned. So he asked me to present it. He wasn't able to come today. And um when we think

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about the development and um Greg when I heard um when I heard Ethan um Proctor at the conservation meeting on April 1st, he said, you know, we're bringing up the water for the entire neighborhood, not just for this

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development. Um he is except for the last four homes. >> And so to us, it just seemed the wells aren't good in our area. They're very deep wells. They're not good wells. They the water quality doesn't test well. And

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the concern is is that we may need to have wells again. We may need to tie in and now would be the time. And as far as the taring of the road, that was because of me. So the a couple weeks ago, I saw this white truck and I'm trying to figure out everything going on. And I

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approached the white truck and they're like, "Oh, we're from Kadings. We're going to be paving this this summer." I said, "Oh, you are?" I said, "Did the town Yeah, the town just hired us to pave." I said, "Well, did you know there's a development going in and did you know there's a water man going in?" "No." "And all these construction

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vehicles?" And so, uh he >> Thank you. >> You're getting a hug. A hugger. >> Yeah. So, um he immediately said he was going to call the DPW and he was going to call I think you Greg and

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>> Yeah. Yeah. I heard from anyway. So that's just a thought is um and the reason I'm asking as well is uh the other parcel of Keading's land that got sold to the big huge huge um

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>> the warehouse >> the warehouse there when I went to the planning board they said you know you can't stop development nor are we looking to stop the development we we all knew it was inevitable someday but they said you know you can always ask for something and you'll be happy on

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this one. Um they said because I was worried about all the noise, they said ask for a um a noise barrier and I did and the planning board said approved but you have to put in the noise barrier and so that's going to help all those homes

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this big huge noise barrier. So I thought, well, if I asked to do something special when they developed that land, I couldn't ask to do something special just to extend it by four homes. Some I think I forget who I spoke on the phone. They said it's only

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900 ft. And >> anyway, that's what I'm asking. And I don't know how how else to go about it or if it's even this board that makes that decision. >> Okay, that was my >> Thank you very much. Is it >> I haven't >> Thank you very much. that's

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>> Thank you. I don't know if that's anything that needs to be >> ironed out specifically today, but I would definitely think it's something for >> for for your for Greg and >> I

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absolutely understand where she's coming from. I mean, if we're in there putting a water line in, I mean, we can definitely uh look into it um and try to it's all comes down to cost, you know what I'm saying? So, uh, as we, you know, this plan is submitted, if

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that extra whatever, I'm making up the number. I don't know how long it is. We'd have to measure it out. But that extra four, five, 900, >> looks like about four or 500, >> you know, if we could >> maybe get just an estimate what we think that would cost and then if we're going for some sort of funding, >> the grant,

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>> it's definitely it's definitely possible. We will definitely look into >> that would be my thought if he if I'll get I'll get pricing from the the gentleman the people who are quoting it extended great tell me how he won't feed >> I just get an option price >> yeah and your thought of you know if we

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get the the grant helps you with your project this would help >> when when septic systems fail and they have to put another one in the lake and you have all these issues and you say now you're dealing with >> wells in relationship to septic and asking variances and things and it's uh

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it just it cures a lot of ills. >> Pen wells are not a guarantee, >> right? >> So, >> yep. >> You're not going to not get the grant because of 400 ft. >> Uh, right. >> Definitely something we can >> try to

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>> try to do it so that everybody benefits. >> Yep. >> Timeline on this. We have the grant. The grant needs to be in. >> Well, so tonight, do you guys do they have to approve the plans just as as so

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they're just >> approve it as as designed? That way we're clear. So we go >> and as for that little extensionary, we we don't have to do an 8 inch man down there. When we do it, we're only feeding four houses. You can run a 2 in line to feed. >> Correct.

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>> I think that we could make a decision tonight on just this plan withstanding grants. It's anything else. >> And if you wouldn't mind just making a motion if you could to allow Greg to interact with Ty and Bond >> to to to um research the the

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favorability of >> Sure. I don't think we motion on that, do we? >> Um >> I mean we can >> you can tie it to the motion. Okay. >> The plan could talk to >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean Ty B's working for you so they're not >> Well,

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yeah. We actually sent me some stuff. >> If we get anything involved, we need to try because this is beyond what we're applying for the grant. >> Yeah. >> So, >> it would be great to get a motion from your board because then at least they know that you discussed it. So, I'm not cold.

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>> And this design is already done. So, a matter of taking this forwarding time bond. >> Yeah. And we can do Yeah. We're happy to do whatever it makes no sense. And that's what we can talk to about. >> Yeah. >> When you say approve the plan, I mean pending financing. Well, no. Just just

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meaning that we as the water commissioners approve this going in how much it cost >> the design. Yeah, I should say the design >> of the water man showing where the hydrants are. >> Fran's already reviewed this plan. The fire chief has already reviewed this

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plan. They both um have no questions on the plan and and they would be willing to approve and move this plan forward. So, all we're doing is voting on their approval of the plan. This plan can go in and whoever and and then it's on Mr.

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Lorden to pay for putting it in and then then we get into the if we can um do anything to work towards grant funding on this uh and we can tie uh multiple projects to our submitt um I believe

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that Mr. Lord said that they would um subsidize us any expense beyond our grant application that is due because of his project. Um uh I really don't see much beyond that. I think it's pretty cut and dry.

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>> I just have one quick question. So just uh >> I saw how how is this this is proposed. You say it's stopping down there for right now, but you have that other parcel on those tal. >> Is this designed >> already? It's designed but on truthfully the planning board want is requiring

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that we improve this road. >> Yes. >> So we would not build this water man until we had at least a plan in place for this. But the thing of it is if there was enough fat in the in the cake, >> it would be worth throwing it in. >> Throwing the road in >> and I would make the improvements I knew

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everything. >> Would there be any scenario where would you loop that around? >> You have a dead ending there. >> I don't think there's really a way to do it. >> Topography wise, I know, right? It's Yeah, it's rough. >> And it's all it's private land.

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Just wonder. And it and it opens the door to continue on. >> That's true. Yeah. >> They have to, you know, >> there's no issues with rights away or anything like that. >> No. >> Will that be a town road when completed? Fire road is the fire road. It

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>> will be a private road, right? It's a private road now. Correct. >> But it doesn't meet >> within drainage. Right. >> So if I improve it, if I the water line and I improve it, >> you have to now >> I could go back to to them again >> get approval to be town road.

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Not even so much. >> It's already approved. It's already away. >> It just would have to be go back to them. >> This gets a little tough on us. On a town road, >> you're allowed to put a water man on. Once it leaves a town road, becomes a

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private road. Now, it kind of turns over to we would still maintain it, but if something broke, we would bill you for it. So, something like there was a fire hydrant on there now, we would charge. So the only thing I was looking at is if I said, "Okay, give us an option an option price what this is here and we

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know what to extend down the other way for the other homes." If we had those numbers and if there was enough money in the grant, then you just put it all in. >> And there you've got it benefits everybody. >> So if this remained a private way and didn't become a public road, I'm

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assuming you're going to have a hydrant on the end and maybe one in the middle. >> Uh looking at might be one at the end. There's one right at the turn. >> So what what Fran what Fran was saying was that anything beyond this if this is considered not a public way you would be

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subject to hydrant fees. >> Yeah. >> On an annual basis. >> That's that's all right. And then if if any of the water line up the private way was to uh malfunction you the water district would replace it. >> Well uh yes we can repair it or whatever

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or we can leave it. They could repair it as well. Okay. We would just inspect. >> Gets a little touchy when you go off on a private, you know. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Okay. I have no more questions. >> Y >> I think we can vote on the plan.

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>> Anyway, I ask about right away. It touches on this private roads thing. Now, what what are what restrictions would the water district have? But by our enabling acts only allow us means to the town

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roadways. >> Yeah. >> So, but by this being private doesn't mean we we can't put it there. But it kind of ends our responsibility at the tunnel line. So, like a house service, the water line goes to someone's property. We we stop the town line and so whatever repairs are beyond that is

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is on them. And this would be the same case. Town line ends here. That's where our responsibility ends. We would still maintain the rest, but it' be a fee that we would pass on. >> But as call it an easement or if we had to uh fix something here, there's no problem of having access to it because

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it's a private road. >> We could access it, but >> there's no issue with that. >> Uh well, that that would be would ease would have you put the ease with >> you. >> And a new water line is going to be bulletproof for decades. here. You'd

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>> be surprised. >> Well, for good, Mr. Chair, I'd make a motion that we approve the plan for the water main extension, the key plan for the water main extension project on what you call this road. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Parent

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Round Road, Palmet Road and Ruth Street. Yeah. >> Um, yeah, it doesn't I don't know if it's is it a plan package or >> say seven sheets. >> Okay. Seven. >> Seven sheets. >> Seven sheets.

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And uh as a add on to that motion uh to uh move Greg Roy from Dillisen Roy to speak with time bond regarding the

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grant onetop grant. >> Thanks Christie. >> Do I hear a second? >> I'll second. All those in. Great. >> A quick process question. >> Sure.

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>> Oh, I'm sorry. >> I know. >> I was just wondering do all the all these documents go on that open.gov because I had found this plan there and I printed it and then this morning I went back to look for it because I wanted to kind of blow it up but I don't

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see the plan out there anymore. >> Is it still there? >> This one's probably not open. This plan probably isn't on open.gov, but there's a ton of other ones on there. >> Yeah, I meant the water all these water district stuff doesn't go on open. >> You use open it. You don't use the other one.

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>> It's the permit one, isn't it? Open up. Got the permit. >> Yeah, that's >> so that but this you >> when you do your per you could you could put this on >> when you start the permit phase and let away recruiting.

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Okay, that's all I wanted to know because I know this isn't really part of the town government. >> I don't know a lot, but I was just trying to find where all these documents go for the water department. >> Yeah, we can look at that. >> All right. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Actually,

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was it? >> Yeah, it's we probably want to include it on that although we moved the motion already the extension. We wanted that extension on there. >> We Well, there's no plan for it right now. Once once that comes to us, we

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would have to approve the extension >> because there's no there's no plan. >> So we can approve what's here today with another. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> And I think everybody has >> we get the money >> everybody's aware of that.

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>> It sounds like we maybe need to coordinate with Bren a little too because we may not need to run a full 80 inch down, >> right? Yeah. >> Which will affect the price. >> Absolutely. Yeah. 2 in. So, like a typical situation, if if that water man was in and they they wanted it, >> we would uh work with the four

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properties themselves. Hey, we're going to run a 2in line down here. Everybody shares on the cost, which for a 2in line, 4 500 ft. We're not talking a whole >> Yeah. Not a whole lot of money at all. >> So, they would just disperse it to the >> Let's run a 2in line everywhere. >> You didn't have that five stick

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hydrants. >> I I sorry. I just so if if it does go down there, would we have a say on where the fire height could go only because I do have a also another piece of property there that um there's no house on and

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may I'm not planning on developing my lifetime, but at some point so I wouldn't really want the fire hydrant like to be stuck right in the middle of so could we talk about fire hydrants if it ever got to that point? uh that they're mostly set up for where the main ends or at certain intervals along the

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way to meet their 500 foot requirement. >> But what side of the road? Because one side of the road, there's nothing there. My side would be the house. >> Typically, whatever side the properties are being developed is the side the hydrant will be on. So, in this case, it looks like it'd be on the right side of the road. >> Okay.

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>> And it would probably be where the plan is now. The last hydrant would be at the end of the plant because if you're I know they have 500 foot but we have 1500 foot or 2,000 ft or 4 in hose on a truck. So I think the fire, you know, and I don't think you'd get the water out of that 2 in that you get out of the

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regular main. >> All right. >> So it there's no real benefit if you go 2 in to putting a hydrant. >> There would be no hydrants. >> Right. >> No no hydrant. >> So but within 1,000 ft. >> Yeah. But you'd be within Yeah. So probably still you definitely still experience

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>> you know you'd have a hydrant within the sort of range that they like to see it. >> Yeah. >> And typically when the hydrant's placed uh even on these plants it's not usually put in the middle. >> Yeah. They try to do it right a lot wider. >> Okay. If we get to that point maybe we

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can look at >> Absolutely. But thank you so much. to your point is we'll try not to stick it in the middle of >> where we don't we don't want them in the driveway side of the road where there's no house >> absolutely >> okay >> all right so much

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>> I'll follow up with you if you want >> I'll give you a call >> our Gary, >> thank you for everything. >> I'm waving mine. That's down off the reservoir road kind of near the key store.

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That's what All right. Next thing we got number six per citizens request to be on agenda to discuss SRF application submitted. Believe it is you ask a little more room than I'm really not that fast.

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>> Yeah. >> So, Andy Starowski went to green court mass. Thank you for putting it on the agenda. Congratulations, Mr. Mke, new commissioner. >> Thanks. >> I I put this on the agenda because I

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wanted to know why and the circumstances we submitted the Lunberg W district submitted the SRF funding. In May, it was decided by the SWAT commission not to submit. You know, that was reflected in the meetings. But Fran

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went on and did submit in July. Why did that occur? Are my questions going to be answered? >> Uh, yes. I was just wondering if you had anything else. >> I I got several questions. >> Oh, I Mr. Chair, I'm not prepared

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because I don't have the several questions that the speaker proposes to bring to our meeting. We can hear them all and if we feel and and I would feel if if comfortable we could respond, but I haven't had time to repair prepare on

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this subject. If he submitted all of these questions prior to then I would have no problem because I would have had adequate time to review this topic and make make a informed decision. Just letting you know my my feelings on it.

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>> Well, let me ask uh were you aware that Fran McNamera submitted that application in July? So again, that's one question, but you said you had several, and I haven't had a chance to review all of those questions. So that um you can't lead me down a road that I don't want to

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go down or lead me down a road that you want me to go down. So if I had all of those questions, then I would have the time to adequately prepare to respond to that. >> Sounds defensive, but okay. So my questions would be my concern is this

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water commissioner on May 14th decided not to submit the SRF funding for this year. That's in the meeting minutes. Francis, you were here. All the commissions agreed to that. You wanted the survey in Mr. Burch. You said you wanted more information. It was decided

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not to submit for that year. The deadline to submit was July 25th. July 24th. The Lunberg Water District submitted an SRF application for $40 million, the one that was submitted back

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in 2023 that was rejected by the voters. So I my concern is why was that submitted against the will of the commissioners and then it wasn't disclosed to anybody until the December 3rd meeting where Mr. McNamera just announced, "You guys don't know this

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yet, but I've already submitted it." So why did you submit why did you disclo uh not disclose that for six months and why are we applying for SRF funding when we don't have an approved plan you wanted

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to have the survey done we it was agreed that we don't have a plan to go forward and we needed more information those are my questions my concern did Fran supersede his authority as superintendent to apply for $40 million

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on behalf of the Loomberg Guada district. Why weren't you notified? Why was this done without anyone's approval? >> I definitely can hear and understand your questions, sir. I mean, um, I share Mr. Bur's, you know, feelings on this,

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too, where, uh, this came to light when I stopped in here yesterday just to say hi and I saw that on there and it >> What came to light >> that I saw that this was >> on the agenda? >> On the agenda. Okay. So, I know this has

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been some work researching it. I myself hasn't had the time to research it, and I want to make sure we get back to you with the right answers. So, I've heard your questions. I will look into it and I will get back to you on it. >> Fran, do you have anything to add? You

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submitted this. >> Can I? >> No. because I I would like to have the time to talk to I I would like the time to take your questions because you've just given us you've downloaded a pretty good chunk of information. I would like to be able to review the dates and

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review the meetings because I'm going off of what your uh questions are related to. I I need the chance to review those meetings, review the minutes, and and again be able to to answer your

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questions adequately. So, none of you can comment at this time why that SRF application was submitted. >> Not at this time. No, but definitely it's a it's a good question and we'll let you know. I mean, I >> can you tell me when you were first learned was it the December? >> Once again, we'll tell you, but I'm not

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going to sit there and tell you right now. I want to review these things. All the information you just gave me, I'm assuming is accurate. >> I sure. But I have I am not comfortable in responding to that. I would like to sit down there and look at those dates I

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think as anybody would. >> So that's that's my answer to that. Mr. Anki, you feel free to respond. >> Mr. Enki wasn't part of the board at that time. So I understand but these questions are prior to that. So I would understand why he

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would not have anything to say. >> But why Francis McNamera can't explain why he submitted that? Mr. Bert, you were at that meeting saying, "We need more information." >> Again, when did you learn? >> I have to go back to those meetings and

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refresh myself on the topics that were had. And I don't want to respond to you out of turn and say something that is either not true. >> Okay. and without proper time spent on the

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subject. >> Can I make the motion and put the request into have this as an agenda item for the next meeting where you're prepared to answer these questions? >> Absolutely. >> There you go. >> Okay. I don't know if anyone else has any. >> Very good. Thank you.

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>> All right. Thank you. >> Okay. Next thing we have is uh uh item number seven. discuss purchase of rubber tire excavator. >> Okay, Mr. Chair, if I can just go back, can we um ask Mr. Stravasi to give us a printed copy of all of those questions

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with all of the dates so that we can accurately >> look at the information? >> Would you be able to do that, sir? >> Absolutely. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. >> Okay. Uh Robert, we've been looking at them for months. We we've had demos. We went and looked at them, sat at them

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>> uh recently. Uh I didn't I wasn't aware but Volvo has a nice machine and Woody came to mention it. So I we started checking into the Volvos. I called the salesman he came in and uh the salesman it's Chad Bay Ross well-known um sales

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team and uh they sell multiple units and uh he kind of questioned what we were looking at. I named a bunch of the brands. He said well we sell some of those. Yep. >> And he said the Volvo Volvo's not he says you're looking at apples and oranges is a whole machine above those. So >> So I mean I'll send in some pricing.

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They had some very aggressive uh state bid pricing. There was like 40% off list price. >> You guys had all the prices in front of you. So uh we we went drove all of us went down. Uh

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PJ's the main operator now. Main rates and stuff. We all went down, checked it out, uh, sat in it, operated a little bit, and, uh, it was a very, very nice machine. Pictures are right behind it. >> Fran, would you would you mind for the new kid on the block, what is it we're

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talking about? >> He's got pictures so you can see it. I think it's an excavator, right? >> But the tire just for tires. >> No, rubber tires. >> It says right here, though. >> So, you can drive it down. >> Oh, it's an excavator. >> It has rubber tires. I got So you can

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drive it down the road versus >> Oh, okay. >> So that is the actual machine that we went and looked at. >> So it's a like right now when we go, we just had a main break. When we dig the main brake, we parked the dump truck near cuz we loaded. It's usually all muddy, unusable dirt. So usually taking

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>> So when we dig, we can't we can't reach the the dump truck. It all dumps on the ground cuz we don't have the height. >> So this newer machines, the height is much higher. So we can we can reach >> the height is higher. It has stabilizers and it's got a 365

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degree radius on the machine. >> How about 360? >> 365. >> The idea is so the backho now >> you can put it nice comfortable spot and go wherever you want. >> But the backho now sits and it's limited

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in the swing. You have to position the machine. >> I got it. Yeah. Got it. Got it. >> So, they're very nice. We've been looking at them and talking about it for a couple years now. We had a special meeting with appropriate 200,000. So, that number was based on all the

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other machines. The Volvo put a little kink in that. So, that's why we got two prices for the Volvo. >> Three. I thought it's awesome. >> But there's three prices in your in your in in your sheet. Yeah. >> Volvo, Volvo and BRW.

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>> It should be a 13W. >> Yep. >> Okay. So, what are the differences and how it goes in? >> So, they're all the same base machine. One one the most expensive one, which is uh

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238,000. That's the most expensive one. >> Uh excuse me. The uh that one has everything you could possibly imagine. It's got the tilt bucket, the automatic greaser. >> I think you can see on the second page, >> multiple buckets.

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>> Got the description of everything, but yeah. >> So, but that one's at like a 2026 zero zero hours on it. >> So, we went down and looked at it yesterday. This was a uh one that was out on a demo, but it has a couple hundred hours. It's still brand new. >> Yeah. Uh, so we went and checked it out

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and uh, we looked at it and because we thought we were going to check out the brand new one and we found out it was a demo unit and I said, "Well, is this is this available for for sale?" >> Right. >> So then boom, that's the two other quotes. We got prices for that. >> So the only the only difference between

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the smaller machine didn't have the twist bucket, which not only >> the bucket itself twist instead of just have it being fixed. >> It's not a crit. It could come in handy at times, but to me, if it's >> 10 grand, I'd say.

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>> I got one. I've used it twice. >> So, so this the the demo unit does not have that. So, I'm like, that's that's not a deal breaker. >> So, uh then then it just had different buckets. So, he he sent us a quote with

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the buckets that it had just and then I requested a quote with the same machine with the buckets that we would prefer. So, that's that's the two. So the 206 389 is the buckets I would prefer. >> Y >> and the 1991 183 as the machine sits.

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>> So basically looks like the only thing I see missing out of that is the 36 in bucket. >> Uh correct. So it's a 24. So we want the 24 in ours we looking for was no teeth so we could dig land new new mains. >> And this 24inch bucket has teeth. >> Okay.

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>> So that was the only thing I wanted. 24 with no teeth and a 36 in for main brakes with teeth to to work the main brake. >> Okay. So, this one uh the 206 one has the grading bucket. >> Yes. 60inch grading bucket. I get it. Take it out of the truck.

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>> That one that's not a critical thing. If you want to save $4,500, take it home. >> So, but we've only appropriated 200,000. Correct. >> Right. >> But we have the equipment in Maine's account, which is where originally we made our purchases, >> and then we said, "Well, let's let's put

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it to the people to let them decide." Uh, how about this? What if we did not buy the 60-inch cleanup bucket >> right right now? You know what I'm saying? >> Buy anywhere down. >> Right. That drops it below the the 200. Correct.

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>> Very, very close. >> It's this one here. >> Well, so are you looking at the 206 389? So, if you took off the 4500, you'd be Yeah. So, I mean, we can easily say take off, we don't want that at all. Then, take off the 24in bucket.

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We purchase it and then you guys can allocate the 5,280 out of our equipment and mains. >> Well, you can you can just spend that's budget,000. >> It's like uh >> so you could still purchase this and just take the balance because you have not you have the equipment budget

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already in place. So >> I mean like it's semantics we can author we can say we want to purchase a 206 and there is a a means to to do that >> I would think so as far as a 60-inch bucket in my world I

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like him because it's smooth face for digging material back out of the truck and placing it along. You know what I'm saying? I think you guys could probably get get away with not having that for a while, but in the future if you were doing especially if we start doing more main replacement and stuff like that, you know, that way you may want be like,

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"Hey, it' be a lot." And at that time, >> you might it might be make sense to get that >> rolling against when we're doing loan. >> Correct. Put that on. We use that, >> you know, and you can scoop it out of the truck or whatever. I mean, you know, but like for for right now, >> I if this is what you guys want. Well,

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so this is kind of what it came down to is the big things is is 200 is it doesn't have, you know, all like he said, all like the fancy other little things on it versus the absolute brand new one. You know, it comes with the other three buckets which you could take

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one of those off. >> These are all like Roy quick buckets, right? We're just talking about >> hydraulic. Yeah. Right. >> So, we're just talking about the machine's the same. It's just we're talking about the buckets. No, no. The machine itself, the brand new versus the demo one,

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>> it's got, you know. Uhhuh. >> I thought it was 70 hours. >> 200 hours. >> Yeah. 200. But at the same time, like the brand new one has the automatic greaser on it. >> We don't want that. >> It has I don't even know what was there. I mean, a couple But that's what we were trying to look at is is is it worth

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buying the demo unit? Correct. >> To put us under. So, that was the main question. And then if that you wanted to go with the demo unit. Okay. If that's it, what do you guys want to do for buckets? >> So, so to simplify, what's the difference between the 199 and the 206? >> 206. >> The buckets. >> The buckets. Yeah. Change.

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>> Well, the the 206 has the the two foot no teeth bucket. That's what we're going to lay mains with. >> Yeah. >> And uh the 36 inch bucket, which we'll do main brakes with. >> Yeah. >> And the cleanup bucket is the one we're talking pulling on. So we could easily

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drop the 206 down to 20115 or whatever. >> 2011889. >> What if we have an excavator now, right? >> We have a back I mean oak. So that would still be useful in addition to this. >> Oh yes. Yeah. So the back has different

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>> uh advantages to it. So uh that one has a uh a compactor. So that's when we did the rolling job. Uh we put the compactor on the back. We took the bucket off and we can compact every every trench we do and uh it it really is huge help. Makes

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it a much easier job and when we pave we're not going back. So it's a very very handy little feature. So if we did a watering job both machines would be on that job. >> My question on this is the size. Do you like the size? I feel it's a little big,

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but I'm not running the thing. So, like >> I thought it was perfect. >> If you It It's funny cuz I should have taken a picture of the 60 sitting next to it. It looked like the the 130 could pick up the 60 and be like, >> "Well, I mean, >> but I get that's a big difference." But it's It is big. But we were PJ, we all

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talked about it afterwards that it's a big machine, but the way it's designed is so functional that you'll still be able to work in that one lane. Like that's why I specifically took that one picture. There is not much >> hangs like >> Yeah. Okay.

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>> It is very minimal. So yes, it's >> uh there's only a little bit. >> Yeah. >> Yes. It's a bigger I don't know a bigger machine, >> but if you're looking at when we're going to use it like for doing metal

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metal lane and all that, this is going to be >> I can see like from metal lane and everything. This is up. This is I'd want to be I run frequently. That sounds fun. >> My more concern is like hey on the edge of Northfield Road like you had over the winter a water man break right into the

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intersection like is this going to be too up. That's >> I don't think so either. That's we're >> we're hoping if you say yes we're going to fix that next week that Northfield Road that so we're hoping this is >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, >> I'm not, like I said, that's just my

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concern. But I'm I'm leaving that to you because, you know, >> I thought it was good. >> Yeah. >> I thought it was I didn't think it was big. I thought it was decent normal size. >> All right. Who's this guy? >> So, I mean, we don't Yeah. There's no

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vote or anything. We just really wanted your >> Well, I mean, and if you say, >> "Oh, if we go over then >> No, but I mean, if you vote, say, "Let's do this off the state contract." >> Yeah. >> We could we could buy this >> tomorrow. >> So, I'd feel better about staying under

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the 200,000. >> And then if we need to go back later and talk about that bucket, >> that's fine. I'm okay with that. >> You know what I'm saying? If let's just look at if we if we go in and we buy this the the one quoted at 199. That's what the the 24 in pocket. >> What if we take off

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>> take off the 60 and add the >> to I just say let's get a new 36 and we'll buy >> because we don't need that. >> Yeah, the 24 isn't going to make sense for us. We'd rather do these two buckets. This puts us $1,000 over

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>> if we take off You want to keep it at the 200. If we take off the grading bucket, the 60in grading bucket, that puts us at >> the one. >> These buckets are all >> $1,889. Two buckets that we want. >> Yeah, it says quick catch you doing push.

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>> Yes, but that is these are buckets that we don't want. >> All right. So, sure. All right. So, take it. >> So, take this. Where's your other one? This one. These are the buckets that we do want. The 24 and the 36. Take this off. So subtract

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4500 from this. >> You're at 2011889 to get the buckets that we want >> for the flat. >> I understand. >> And the 36 in. >> I I get what you're saying that the people voted $200,000. >> So we should we should figure out what

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that is and then if we need supplemental buckets down the road, >> then we should purchase those. So >> you still want to take this one off right now then to drop this even lower? Let's let's do for a main break. Let's keep the 36 in. We're good to rock and

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roll as 199 purchased as >> well. Put it this way. >> The 24 take look at take >> take the 60 off, take the 24 off, add the 36. >> That's it. >> Okay. >> Okay. And that's a lot of math here. >> Okay. >> Got it.

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>> Right. >> We'll see how that works out. And then >> right down the middle. the the goal. I understand what chair was saying. The goal is to stay under 200 and then if we if we find that we need the other equipment, >> you have it in your budget. You probably

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shouldn't even need us. You could just if if you're getting in a bind and you feel that there's a need for it. >> Yeah. And I think if if we buy the the one with the machine, we there's plenty of used buckets up there. If I can get one for half the price, >> you might be able to find one somewhere else. >> Yeah. I thought there was one on the

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road on the road. >> Yeah. >> Taking those two off and adding the 36 puts us out. Yeah. Just about 197. >> Can you tell me the exact number? >> 197. >> Hold on. I just started.

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>> Yeah. Um so 1993US 456 >> Okay. >> Yeah. So that bucket's 5800 going to take off 8,000. >> Yeah. >> So it's 196 196 609 is what what it is. That machine with just a 36

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>> inch 36 inch. We can buy that and see how it goes. >> I agree. >> I guess might use it eight times and hate it. I don't know. >> Some probably not. >> All right. You want those?

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>> God. Yeah. Take them home. >> So, how do you guys want to proceed with this? Do you want a motion to purchase for 196? >> Yes. >> Okay. You could just say so. >> Can we just say up to 200 because that's what we have aotted just in case there happens to be something that's

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>> sure. Okay. I would >> do the motion guy. I think I guess I could I mean we've already it's already been voted >> already I've already voted on this but >> yeah I guess I just for clarity I make a motion that we spend the up to the approved $200,000 to purchase

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uh selected Volvo ERW130E 2025. So a slightly slightly used machine. Do I hear a second? Second. All those in favor? I feel good.

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>> I'd like to I'd like to publicly thank Mr. for voting and seconding that because I know this is a purchase. You weren't really in it. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> I'm a gold rush fan, so I know all believe me. >> Gold rush is in the machine itself.

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>> We'd still be arguing if John was here. We'd be pushing for you. You guys can get out there and great. >> Authorized. That's what you need to admit. >> Voted in. >> Uh, okay. Uh, number eight, we have

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commissioners, superintendent, clerk, treasures addition. Brian, you got >> I just got a bunch of little things. Uh, so I mentioned a little bit. Uh, so we had a main break on Route 2A, uh, down the bus place across from the old restaurant, Boule. >> Yep. >> Uh, it was off the edge of the road.

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This was Saturday night. And uh anyway, so we repaired it. Nothing crazy with it. It was normal depth. No, no issues went with it. But it's this is the second one in like two years. So we're starting to have more frequent ones in that little stretch. So as from what the

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past water mane cost project was, it was insane. >> Mhm. >> So this one uh not this break, the one before, it was directly under like a 12 in drain pipe. It was very We had to take the drain pipe out, fix the main, put it all back. It it it was very

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difficult. >> Did you put the drain pipe back? >> Yes. Yes. >> I I went down to it and I I saw when they had this break and it was just it in the worst spot possible. >> Yep. >> So, my thinking is that we don't do like

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we did on the other side of town down that side of town. We increase the main size from 8 in to 12. Uh, in this particular area, I think because we're fed right directly straight from from the tank, short distance, it's a 8 inch main. I think we would continue have the

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same size main. So, my thinking is we don't replace the main, we sleep it, we line it. >> Okay. >> So, they have them with structural line. >> Yeah. >> So, I I think uh maybe we just get some feelers out there, hey, what are we talking about to do this thing? Uh,

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>> how far would you be looking to do from where to where? >> Mobile gas station to uh >> uh street. Uh, uh, Pleasant Street. >> Wow. Okay. >> So, that's >> that's that's a it's a good section. Two or 3,000 ft.

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>> Didn't just remind me when they repaired the the bridge uh near Mackey's for the waterway there that went through Mackey's parking lot, didn't they uh did we replace that section of Maine in there? >> That that was a two-step process. So we we had we purchased all the water man and do maple parkway >> right

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>> I got a call from the state saying that we're going to going to pave 2A in 3 weeks. So I said well we we need to fix this water man. So I put in this is the old days we could put in a permit and get it back in three days. Now it takes you like >> 13 months. >> But anyway so I submitted the thing. I

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said can I replace this main? So we went and stole the main from Parkway. >> Moved it down to Massav. We we replace from there's a hybrid fan now. Yeah. Uh from the hybrid to the bridge, correct? To that >> tilt now pretty much to the bridge. >> Uh Richard's way. Uh no no

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>> that that's the next section. So we brought it to that that cover pipe the bridge section. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So then the state came in and uh they were were replacing that. >> So they were talking about doing all kinds of temporary work getting the water man over the hill and to feed it. And I kind of worked with them said,

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"Well, how about we just shut it off? It's all fed around. We We don't even need to do the temporary in exchange. How can you just because you had to replace it over that ridge, can can we just go like 300 feet more? So, we went all the way to Tilt Nav. >> Yep. >> And they didn't really they charged us

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only like I was like $13,000 to do that. So, >> it it was it was really good. So, now what now we're all duct line, new water main from Chase World all the way to the hydrant from the mobile. >> So, really only thing left is the next section. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm thinking of

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the Exxon. You want to go from the mobile down. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was like to Pleasant. I'm sorry. >> Mack Auto. Gotcha. Okay. That's a little different. Okay. >> So, that'd be just something I mean it's it's not a critical thing, but uh just

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something I think it's going to be that's how we see these mains. I think I said that White Street. Never had a broken man on White Street ever. And then it was like we had it. I'm like, "Wow, that's okay. That's that's unusual." Then boom, another next year, two the year next year. It was like,

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"All right, it's getting bad." Got to the point where we were heading run into big giant color pipe that's, you know, 13 ft deep. I'm like, if it breaks there, how are we going to fix it? So anyway, so I think this just won't keep an eye on it and uh we'll start investigating,

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see how we can do it. I mean, but the I mean the beginning part from say uh from the Pleasant Street up to uh Aishons. >> Mhm. >> That you could easily do it off the road. >> Yep. >> So that that that could be

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>> could kind of scared to do on a mass highway us to do it, but we probably could do it. >> Well, yeah. I mean, let's look into lining it. lean line made the first section where that carpet because that wood

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>> it's it's it's iron pipe duct line or was it AC there >> AC >> so I've looked at the line plenty of times the cast iron pipe >> because we we were right on the verge of the new they used to do lead joints y >> and then they switched to lead eye

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because they found out the lead was pretty dangerous harmful to people so they switched to one was called lead eye I've never seen it poor But they pour it through the joint and they turn the water and it's leaking everywhere and uh the stuff never stops swelling. So it

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keeps swelling. Eventually it stops the leak. So from what they say it's still swelling even to this day. So it snaps the big cast iron collar snaps them. >> Yeah. >> And spirals. So when I looked at this uh structural lining that could go in place,

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>> I said uh will that survive a bell split? That's what we call the bell splits. and uh they said absolutely not. So I'm like, okay, that that won't do me any good. >> Sure. >> But the AC pipe doesn't do that. Usually it's a like in this case, a rubber blew out or uh

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yeah, the over deflected pipe. So this stuff's just it's just a like a cement line that goes through. They camera it. They see the curb stops, all the ports, and it goes down, lines it, and then it's computerized, and it comes back, drills them all out.

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Your mains down. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Police detail. Well, maybe some, but not digging, doing all that. Yeah. >> Yeah. I want to see how it pumps out. All the curb stuff, but they come out with new stuff. We were at the there was a big thing of the TCU uh trade show. All kinds of stuff on all kinds of new

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technology. >> And just how long does that take? Like, how long do you have to shut it down for? Uh they usually say one day you shut it down, they do it, you wait a few hours, turn back on, people have a water back, so you shut them off for the day.

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>> I'm very curious about it. >> Okay, so uh that was it for that one. So I just just mentioned future something to look at. >> Uh I spoke to Ray McMillan because you know we talking about doing that cross country main to the farm. He he's he's opposed to it. he doesn't want to uh

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promote development and they said this isn't this is a raw water so I didn't really push it too much so uh this isn't this would be an article 97 so we'd have to pull it do special work I think it it'd have to go to the state legislature to allow us to do it is doable know if

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you guys had interest of doing it anyway because we could take it from you do an easement by owning a domain >> I think we'd have to have a reason to do that. So once we have a plan in place, then I would I would be interested in

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trying to have another conversation and then see what our options are. >> Very would be my I 100% agree. >> There's no no reason to move forward with something until we have a >> Oh, yeah. Definitely not something I would act on now, but it was just

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something that I feel that >> I'll see what it can be done if we need to do. I'll see if I could talk to him. I I bump into one. I'll see if I can maybe explain it a little bit. >> If we got what's what's the difference in the uh what would be the difference in the in the cost if you got that right

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away? >> Uh in his case, it would only be uh less road work. So we if we like right now we have great Jeff Pow go >> all the way from 2A all the way to Lancaster A. So we would eliminate a section of Lancaster AB, but the the the

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ease of installation would be to come down Reservoir Road. So that in this case, we could we would be right at Reswell Road, so we could head right down and uh go into the wells to backside. >> Cost cost dollar wise. >> Hundreds of thousands. >> Uh yeah, probably probably a few hundred thousand. >> Yeah. Savings.

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>> Savings. I would say at least >> just because of >> just even installing the pipe. >> Yeah. >> No police. No. >> No police. That's the whole thing. Police. That's when I was talking to Barney's cuz I got a grin with them too.

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>> And uh Mike Barney, he's like why why do you want to do this? I'm like just look at how much the police bill would be do this water man. I said, "We could probably pay for the ement just running water through the center of town over Route 2A." Just think of how how many uh feet

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per day you can install versus running through a hayfield or the side of the road. >> Yeah. >> I mean, it's >> astronomical difference. >> Okay. So, uh one other uh actually two two little things. So, D sent a time

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sheet for the SRF funding. Uh it was June 30th for the approval of the funding. >> So I don't know you what you guys have for a thought process on on because we need the voters's approval. So we'll have to get the school do something. Uh my thinking was once we do something in

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May, see how the vote goes. >> I'd like to Mr. Chair, if I can I'd like to there's a lot of dates that matter. >> Yeah. that aren't in the public that we've we've discussed it multiple times, but we don't have that SRF funding's due

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here. D says we have to have a plan here. D says we have to be breaking ground here. >> So, I would like to kind of make sure that we look at that at every one of our meetings. And I don't know if we could make that an action item >> so that we know we're looking at it.

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We're coming up on some of these dates and requirements. And these are the requirements that we're getting from D, our regulating authority that you know I I think that we should be really working towards.

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>> So the funding I just I just got this today which I was I always do the funding is June 30th anyway author local authorization. That's the date for the the D wants uh acceptance of the yes SR uh so we would have could approve the

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purchase the borrowing of the money and then there was a couple other dates uh you know the application for the the building the design being in which we are uh DP did I spoke to them last week and they they said you know you kind of

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should have the plus plans already designed for the buildings and uh so I spoke time bond. I didn't didn't see an issue of getting getting all ready by the time the deadline. So, the key one is that that June 30th. >> My my next thing is wondering is maybe

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we ought to have a meeting or a workshop focused solely on this so we can figure out our plan. >> Mhm. and then our funding plan because there seems to be some confusion between

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what we see as our master plan and what we are obtaining funding for. So I think we need to be very clear on that so that there is no confusion in the public. I think that some people are looking at

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funding some and some people are looking at what our intended plan is and we haven't put those together and I think we need to do that and make it pretty clear these are our options. you know, we we know we have the SRF. It

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it pretty much includes uh one well site because it it it meets certain criteria >> and we have not using that option and another option >> to to to do it in another way. >> I I agree with you. I think that we should, like you say, workshop it or

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some something to that effect where we really kind of get the timelines out here, the auctions out there in in in the simplest language possible that the that the average layman can kind of wrap their heads around. And >> this is a big thing we have going

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tomorrow uh 9:00 time bond and uh Capital Strategic on a Zoom meeting >> and this is what we're going to hammer out how how to uh present this information to everybody. So it was like reviewing the SRF funding, the bonds, uh the treatment of of all the sources,

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you know, how how much is it to to get the raw water, the keying, so everything's all treated. So that's so we're going to look at and come up with a plan for all of it. >> And maybe one of you guys >> I I had been on a couple of these meetings before. >> Um I had I heard mention of this meeting

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coming up, so I mentioned to to Christie to send me the link. If it's okay with the board, I would do that. But then bring we still need to bring the findings from that meeting to whatever we do for a workshop. >> Sounds like it's okay with the both of you as a board. We can't attend it as a

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board because we it's not a posted meeting for us. >> So >> So I would only one of us can attend this meeting. >> Yes. >> Oh, >> well it's just it's not a it's not a finalized thing. It's just this is just a this was just a

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>> we got the funding like what we kind of talked about with Tai and Bond was and at a conference having a conversation at our conference that we went to was to get how do we how do we tie all of this together. >> It's not a set plan. It's all right.

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We've got ideas on how to do this and then we'll come back and be like all right. >> It still comes to us as a board. Yeah. >> After the fact for discussion nothing's decided until you guys No, correct. But but the discussion you're talking about between Ty and Bond and whom?

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>> Capital they do all the the Facebook. >> They did. Yeah. They all our uh seminars we had for the public. >> So this is about the financing aspect of of the of >> all all parts of it like we're going to tie the survey in. uh

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>> how do we properly put the information out to the public to make it very clear and understandable? We don't want to we don't want to confuse the public with too much. I can tell you that this is a piece of white paper or I can tell you the chem

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chemical composition of this white piece of paper but it's still a white piece of paper and I think that's the we we have to understand a plain language for everybody to understand. So there's no concern. So what I don't understand is as far as attending or not not

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participating in it as a board, but can two board members listen to this meeting? I mean there's there's if you're at a Zoom meeting, I don't know how that works because if we're we're both if two board members are attending something, it's it's considered a

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meeting. >> I don't know how that gray area goes. >> Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean, you you guys couldn't you couldn't make a comment. You couldn't answer his comment and then like say, "All right, let's do this instead." That that that's where it's an issue. I mean, >> but you're also both there talking about

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a topic. >> Not not that's that's my question. If >> Oh, so if you went on and didn't speak just listen to it. >> The whole thing is that there's no like you you you guys can be together wherever you're not talking about.

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You can't cooperate water district information. Listen to it. >> But you could listen, right? >> Go to whatever. >> We don't see it, but that would have to be a I mean, >> what >> I don't know if that's an ethics

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question or not. >> When is when is the meeting for >> 9:00 to move on? >> I was going to say get an opinion, but probably not by 9:00 tomorrow morning. Well, this is this is only this isn't there's going to be so much more coming up. This was just a hey, we got approve

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and funding and like Fran said, I think it's going to be a matter of doing the timeline, getting the idea, but it's also I think that there's so much mis um information out there that a lot of the residents, you know, they, you know,

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going on that that meeting to try to take our funding away. I think there's a lot of misunders mis >> information out there. So what we're trying to do is how do we get the correct information out to the residents. >> I had a a ser a series of questions here and it turns out we're already talking

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about series of questions that you in fact brought up Mark. Um now I'm just talking about attending listening to a listening to a meeting and and reports of what happened at a meeting are often being at a meeting and getting a report of a meeting are two different things.

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>> I agree. So if you listen you get the context you get you hear the both both sides but then what comes out is what's distilled from that. So I think it's valuable just even if just from the point of view of having information >> but follow up if you want me to follow

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up I don't know if I would have the answer by now. >> Yeah you probably won't but I can certainly um >> follow up with legal counsel and find out Wednesday >> for all the future meetings if >> you want me to.

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If you could do that, Chrissy, that would be great. Not not to speak, >> but just to listen. >> Thanks. >> Yep. >> I got one more thing to add. >> Sure. And this is good news. We got another uh check coming from uh is it

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Tao? 125 >> Baron about our attorneys, but it was our fact which company you actually paid us, but uh $125,680 in full cents. >> Add a couple zeros.

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>> At least it keep money coming in. I mean, >> be great if it remain holes, but >> And who is this from? Um, >> we have a class action, we're part of a class action lawsuit uh regarding PAS and the the attorneys are going after

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all of the producers of of PAS and their products and we are getting portions of settlements from >> which one is this? >> This is u this settlements from Tao. You said >> uh this one could be 3M. I've seen 3M

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all over the place >> but it's signed to Dupont 2. So I think this is this whole big pile of paperwork is just referring to the whole class action >> but it's still ongoing. >> Oh yes it's going

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for years. So >> and then I know there's still >> we were part of >> take off fire products. Yeah, >> we were part of the first first part of it and then I believe they're still trying to go after more

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>> companies besides >> more people that haven't gone out there yet. >> Yeah, these were just the big guys. So, >> Oh, okay. >> Who's at the mic? Um, does anybody else have anything else regarding the PAS SRS? Because I have a

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different topic I want to bring up and I just have nothing more on that. >> I have series of questions about the >> if you if you want to you can go first if it's tied to the same thing that we've already been talking about. >> Well, sort of what you're talking about

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regarding funding and the and the SRF >> and Y. Okay. >> Yep. >> So, yeah. So, I I put some notes together just to get up to speed um with where where you guys are. Uh and uh

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so I need I need to have a I want a baseline. Where are we right now today? And so I just had a series of questions. Some of them we already touched on. Uh the So right now we have a $41 million uh not loan um

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>> authorization >> line of credit. Is that was that fitted? Line of credit. >> If we're approved, it would be a line. Yeah. So it's >> and that and that's for uh 30 years. >> Uh you have options of 20 or 30.

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>> Which one do we do the 30? Do the 30. So it's 2% if it's 20. It's 2.2% 2% of its third. >> Okay. I had 2.2%. That's what I thought I heard you said. Um and and this would cover the uh Hickory Hills well activating Hickory Hills well connecting

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to Lancaster and putting the treatment plant Lancaster. >> Correct. With as long as you that a treatment plan is designed to also take care of Keings. >> Thank you. And you we talked about the possibility of adding the funding for

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the transmission main from Keings to the plan. >> Well, >> if that cannot be added to that, then that's something for our workshop to decide and we want to make sure we put that number out to the public if it's part of our master plan. >> Yeah. Um Okay. Okay. So, actually the

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next question I think you just answered. How long can we how can we how long can we hold on to this before we have to vote on it? Basically, a town votes on it. >> June 30th. June 30th is the deadline we have. >> So, come June 30th. >> If we don't vote, it's gone. >> It's gone. Yeah.

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>> And we had so we've seen an we've already seen historically last year we had Z we were approved for 0% for a portion of the project and this year 0% went away and we're up to 2%. Next year it might not be 2%, we might be 4%. And

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in financing terms with the amount of money that we're looking at um it it matters a lot where we are percentage wise. >> And when when must we start drawing on this? If we if it were approved, when when do we have to start drawing on it?

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>> You're mean drawing on the actual money. >> Yeah. >> So, this is kind of one of the things that we had talked about with time bond. Fran, if you don't mind, when we had that conversation was >> that we actually won't probably won't start drawing on the money till >> it's going to be 2028 because 27 the

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contracts have to be submitted. So, so this is the thing that we want to make sure that people know like even if we say yes, we get this funding before June 30th, yeah, this is great, this is a good low interest rate, we aren't actually going to be paying anything or

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drawing anything from them for over a year and a half. So, if people believe that the EPA is going to somehow magically change their >> not going to it's going to but if they did if they ever came back and said, "You know what? We're wrong. you don't need to treat it.

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>> Here's your money. >> We can give it back. >> This is not something we want. >> It doesn't and it doesn't cost >> and it costs nothing. >> But if we say no, we don't want your funding and it doesn't change, we've kind of thrown away the opportunity to have some good low financing. So

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honestly, yeah, it sounded like a year and a half before you'd even touch a dime and you wouldn't be paying on it. >> So you you think you we wouldn't be touching this for a year and a half? How long can we hold on to it before we touch it? That's my question. >> That would be once we go to bid.

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Actually, this would get a little tough. Uh, so you'd have to pay the engineering firm to design it. So you you'd be touching some of it. So let's say we went in and say, "All right, it's whatever $3 million to design this treatment plan." So now, now we're on the hook. I don't

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There's actual real numbers somewhere. I think I sent them in that sheet. I could sent you by email. Anyway, there's some real numbers in there for the design. >> Yeah. I have that. Yeah. >> Okay. So, whatever that design is, uh, so now we're on the hook for that money. So, now now we're paying from paying that. So, that'll come out of the SRF

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fun. >> So, that'll come out pretty quickly. >> Uh, yeah, that could come out. >> It won't come out a year and a half, right? >> Well, before you hit the 40 Yeah. 40 mill, the main draws will be probably a year and a half. Yeah. Couple years off. So but but the design part is will could

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take place sooner you know probably >> yeah we had a deadline of uh October of >> 29 no >> no for the design >> oh 26 this be pretty quick like to see some sort of a if we could develop a timeline

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>> that is an action item so we we kind of know where we are at and we have that and we have those dates in front of us every time um we wouldn't have to go back to this and that's where I also feel uh a workshop

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>> that has uses a timeline to develop a plan on how to meet that timeline and what information we need to get out >> is kind of crucial especially between now and I mean it's April so I think the first thing we need to decide is what

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are our we got to set our goals and then >> and then um >> do what we need to do to to put this out to the But the first draw you think would be on the design part. Seems obvious, right? Then you think >> maybe six months is that

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>> uh so we do the approval by June 30th. That gives us the go. >> They'd want D wants a design by October. >> Uh 27, right? >> 26. >> 26. >> That's going to be quick. >> So yeah, I would that would be right away. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure that

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is that hard or soft with D that if we we were working on design. >> Uh they want that as the date, but you you have some room to wiggle there. >> Yeah. I think if you I think if you at least said, "Hey, >> we don't have it right now. It's in the works. We've hired a firm, I think. But

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I mean, these are the dates that they've given us since, you know, saying, "Hey, you need to >> and then we also this is a perfect spot to spend that PAS money that we're bringing in, >> right? Let's let's begin to design on our own our own funds. >> Correct. >> And then uh >> and then we're not touching the funding

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until we really need to. >> So this this design work we pull from some of this money that that we're getting. Sure. You just >> So with with the new one, we're probably at a little over a million pounds. >> Yeah. Actually, that's my next set of

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questions. If you ju just bear with me a little bit, I'm trying to piece all these parts together. Um, >> we had I noticed that there was a I'm now jumping into the into the funding part. There was a uh an emerging uh uh emerging contaminants payment.

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>> Yep. No payment, just a grant. >> I mean the grant. Yeah. No payment grant. Now, when did that happen? >> Uh we just submitted that about a month ago. >> No, no, no, no. This was this was noted in the SRF submission.

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>> I thought it was in I thought it was in lie of the principal forgiveness. Now you had to apply instead of principal. So >> I thought when we had 0% >> two years ago. Yeah. >> It was principal forgiveness. >> Now they did away with it. Now you're at

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2% and you apply for this emerging contaminant grant and that took place of the principal forgiveness. So that's been that's been applied for because there's a good chance where we are a small water company that we would

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qualify for that that would help subsidize our project. >> When when did we do that? Was it two months ago? A month ago? Wasn't that long? Cuz DP just called me on it. >> I was speaking to DP. >> It was recently. Yeah, it was winter. I don't know the exact date cuz I know they you were speaking to them and they were like

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>> I I spoke to DP cuz I was questioning the four parts >> and I'm like I'm hearing that this isn't true and they don't that no one agrees. I'm like when's your final agreement going to be put through the legislature. >> You're talking about Massachusetts.

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>> Massachusetts. >> And uh they always kind of push me away and like with no set dates and I wouldn't whatever. So I asked specific questions all kinds of other things. uh the head D person uh contacted me and

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said there's a your Lunberg came up. There's a emerging contaminate grant and Lunberg needs to apply because your name keeps coming up and that's all I need to hear. So I'm like do I apply or is this something my engineer needs to apply? >> And he's like have your engineer do it.

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They know exactly what to put in it for the keywords. So boom, it's in now it's it's in. But it wasn't too long. >> Yeah, it wasn't that long ago. But anyway, so the principal forgiveness, that's still a little iffy. The emergency grant is, I think, a different set of funds available to this. And then on that emergency grant, we apply for

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the $41 million. >> Yeah, we apply for all of it. >> Who knows where we'll get whatever it is. Just don't get >> anyway. So, we don't know when or what, but it's submitted. But uh on the submission there, it asked

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whether you have any other grants and it was entered in there that there was a $456,000 grant and actually it didn't indicate state, it said federal that was already issued. It was it was in the SRF submission and I think it was dated

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October 22nd. Yeah, I'm I thought I I thought I uh pulled that out, but u we applied for >> uh uh e sorry about the arm thing. Uh >> ecc

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grant 456,000 federal. This is are you seeking or have you been awarded a loan or grant? Yes. No. So, I don't know. This may have been uh seeking maybe this process of seeking it. >> I think that's tied to the SRF funding.

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>> So, >> yes, it wasn't the SRF application, but it it was a federal area. I mean, I didn't >> Was that the first one that we did for the capital improvement, the pilot study? >> I thought we had a grant pilot. Yes.

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Yes. Cuz remember we applied. No. Nope. I remember Tai Momong coming in and they said there's this new kind of grant coming out >> and we were like apply for whatever you can but it was but I want to say it was 400 maybe something >> for um pilot studies capital master plan

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doing all no but it wasn't ARPA but it was something else and he's like well we're not sure where if if and when they're going to do anything because didn't he say >> we already applied but they want you to now apply for >> it was on a date they wanted us reapply >> they wanted the full 41 million

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So we did didn't get any money from that previous. It was just an application. So we have not gotten any funds if that's what you were kind of >> getting. Okay. I got it. >> No. >> So now with with with this one now to get to the uh emerging contaminant uh

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funding, you have to be tied to an SRF application now, right? I mean it's a question, not a statement. >> Nope. Uh because we applied for the emergency, not tied to the SRF. >> Okay. And what's the status of that then? Uh we have no idea. It's submitted and uh there was no dates or deadlines

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or authorization. >> It was just uh submit and wait. >> So So it's been submitted. Okay. >> I'm I'm optimistic we're going to get something on that one. >> Well, I was I look a little bit into this and and and actually Lunberg is is

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we are at the lowest of the let's see uh uh what what what what's the word? deprived or uh >> disadvantaged >> disadvantaged disadvantage. We we are we are tier one. Tier one often times is a good thing but that's not a good thing.

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It's because of guys like this guy >> and it's somewhere I think it said probably somewhere between 3 and 10%. But okay but that that's what surprised. Wow. Where do we get this? >> We have small. >> Yeah. Um, so, uh,

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yeah, we had gone $850,000 to one of these other settlements and and that is still >> Can you help me out? How is that being worked now? I mean, I I know there's so there's so many class action suits. I know Dupont 3M and I just now learn Tao.

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I think there's like six more >> and that was >> and we're all we're tied into all of those >> on that on that paper I showed you there was we went with bearing and that the the attorneys that went after this class action lawsuit but on the top there was

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like four or five other attorneys uh >> yeah from >> people so every everybody in the country picked different people that go through so this whole group went into this together so it's so it's a pretty strong class action lawsuit going against these

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people. So, uh, but yeah, they they keep going after the people and then the funding that comes in, we we put it into surplus which is flagged as PASS so we she can keep track and pull it up and say, you know, that's how much money is coming in for that.

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>> All right. Thanks. Um then as a kind of a simple thing um one of two things is going to happen uh before June 30th. Either this this uh

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loan or or uh what what was it what was the other phrase? funding. >> No funding. >> Grant >> temporary. >> No, no monies. >> The the the right to draw from. Yeah.

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>> Uh it uh it's either going to be passed or it's not going to be passed. >> True. Correct. >> Okay. >> So my question is what is the plan if it doesn't get passed? Well, that's first of all, what is the plan if it does get passed? I think you were talking. This is where we're we're we're going through

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a lot here and this is what I wanted to kind of save a workshop for. Uh specifically even that stuff so we can talk about if we don't pass the SRF what's the option? >> Yeah. So that's where I was kind of hoping because there are all of the

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stuff that we just talked about very is is very useful but we need we need to I think put that together in a kind of a plan specifically for all this and I I agree with you if we don't go there what's the option but I kind of looking

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to get a a workshop on that to put all of this in in in the middle and sort through it. Is is there a sort of plan? >> Well, in this case, if it gets approved, I I think immediate uh starting the design, the treatment plan,

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>> I think start the design, right? >> Design. Yep. And the design will include >> everything. >> And as part of it, I mean, we'd have to be able to bring the information forward and decide, let the public decide if we don't do this, then this this is our

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option and this is what it could cost. Similar to right now we're seeing on the town end, we're saying right now this is a a level funded budget. So if we don't if we do this, this is what you know could possibly be taken away. Then they

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have this is a level service budget. This is if you guys give us a if everybody in the public decides to vote a little bit of an override. And then there's the dream package which is everything that the the town and the schools want. So I think similarly we

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should come up with a plan. This is SRF funded project and what it's going to cost us. This is the option if we don't use SRF and then you know what is it going to cost us down the road if we don't use SRF because it's tied to

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specific sites and if we don't go to those specific sites what are we looking at down the road? That's that's the way to to me is is what I was going to I would envision and that's what I was kind >> you're all everything before that

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>> you're on everything how to present to the people. So that's I agree that you're saying but I'm just but he's asking >> I'm asking right now for a baseline and I know I know it's simple the baseline is kind of simple. I know I know there's a a number of roads that come off a baseline. Uh right now I just want to

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get myself in position of getting to the baseline. Where are we today? And then, you know, this these roads go off. We move on a road and and then these roads will branch. >> Okay. >> And they're going to cross and then but I but I'm not comfortable talking up here in this cobweb right now. If you

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just I just want to get that baseline. So what where are we right now today? >> Okay. So where right now we need to pass the the authorization to borrow the money from the SR. >> So my question June 30, let's say if it does pass >> does pass. That's right. >> Does pass. Okay. Next thing now we need

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to have the application with complete construction application. I'll give you I can give you this including bid ready plans and specification by >> sorry excuse me I don't want to interrupt you but I I don't need I don't need that. What I'm looking for is what what's the big picture. So we're we're

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going to design a design's going to include uh activating Hickory Hills putting a line into to to Lancaster building Lancaster WTP big enough to handle keings. Yes. Okay. That's that's that's going to be the plan. Now, where this I know there's been discussion of

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Keings and and the the three site thing and I know it's a possibility to go. What do you plan to do regarding regarding heings and also the the adjunct wells at at heating or weller wells? Um are they in the in the plan in some way?

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>> Not not in any of this. >> They're not in a funding plan >> for SRF currently. >> Okay. But uh my conversations with the superintendent is that we would try to apply for the funding under the SRF and see if we could get them. But we you

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know so there's the funding plan and there's the plan and if we if we can only fund a portion of the plan through SRF then my intention is because voters want to see a complete plan is what I'm hearing is have a master plan SRF what

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it's going to cost vote on both. >> Yeah. So that so that you know whatever the funding sources are needed to complete the master plan and if we can find anything along the way because the only thing we're taking out of the SRF funded plan is a transmission main from

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Keings to Lancaster A >> uh Hickra Hills to Lancaster that's part of the >> No taking out of the SRF fun is is and and we have an estimated cost right now of $3 million.

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That's if we go out if we go out to bid, we have an estimated cost of $3 million for the transmission main from Keyings to the treatment plant. So, all we do is say we got this great funding option here. We're going to have to fund the $3

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million because they either denied it or not, or maybe we're lucky and it comes out of contingency or uh big PAS check. Great staff. Great staff we have here. They just It's a transmission lane. They run it right

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down the other side of Reservoir Road and we run it ourselves. But we have to realize that cost and how it's going to >> on the bidding. I we asked because we were just with the engineer last week. He said the prices have been coming in coming in lower than they've been >> very competitive right now.

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>> Bidding on much lower. They've been bidding treatment plants. The prices have been coming in much lower than they they estimated. >> So which is good, >> right? So we don't know that. Everything's estimated. We're going off of estimated costs until we open a bid like we did with the the rubber tired

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excavator we just bought. We don't realize what the numbers are. So, >> so but but the plan is again if it's if it if it passes the plan is to attempt through the DP to incorporate the Keading connection in some way with the

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existing $41 million line of credit was was was so is that something we're >> definitely we can try to do that and and if we don't then it'll go his way we fund it separately a different way. Yeah, I saw the number higher than three

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million. I saw more like seven. >> Yeah, I I took the number from uh Hickory Hills to Lancaster and just doubled it. Engineers said you'd be pretty close. >> Okay. So, because I remember you saying something trying to piggy back it in somehow. So, that's going to be a

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conscious effort to go to D to see if that 41 million can we can incorporate. >> Well, we we'll do the attempt and and let's say things work out. So, we're approved for 41 million. If they say it's approved and the the prices come in cheaper, then easily we're allowed to go

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to the 40, we can easily >> Well, I know the math. I'm worried about DEP and the money. I got this money, you guys want this, but now you want that. Let's give it to somebody else. That's that's the question. >> What you're telling me is if we have 41 million, we come in under and we have enough money under that they would allow

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us to add the Keing transmission line into it and do it as part of that project. I I think it's going to be very difficult going over the 41. I think we could add money. Yes, I think we could add >> if we were if bids were coming in under, we would be able to ask the EP if we

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could incorporate that to still meet our the money that we would ask. >> No, the the but the SRF is pretty specific that that money's gone. You can you can make a request, but it's it's gone. So, um yeah.

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So you're basically saying you're going to try to do it which Yeah. All right. >> So we would have to anticipate that that would be a separate project either. We would have to do it. So we would have to do >> Okay. And possibility that I'm sorry I saw my agenda. I'm trying to dominate

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this. >> Fire away my stuff here. Okay. Uh in the event that it's not approved the same question. What would be the plan? So my this is where I'm not sure this is the board's going to decide, but my my my

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thinking is we do a vote in May, vote gets voted down, >> we re-educate, we do another vote in June, gets voted down. >> Uh >> oh. So there's two shots at this. >> We can't do two shots. >> Last last time we only did one, >> but uh this time I I I think we do two.

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>> Okay. >> It gets voted on the second time. Yeah, >> you guys are on your own. I'm done. Uh well >> well we have to have an option. Is that a promise? >> No just curious. >> We have to have we have to have an I think as part of our discussion that we

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have regarding this we have to have that option to the people. If we don't do this SRF then this is what our plan would be moving forward. >> That's my question. Yes. >> And along those lines uh meeting toward the end of the year and you know um I

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remember seeing that well you're talking about we were up to look at that other well. remember the initial numbers of that test well like one I think you said it was one part per trillion of that well I mean >> oh the pe uh yeah it was yes yeah just under two >> yeah it was so and I recall the

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discussion that that was uh that was conducted here at the board meeting about being able to if first of all you proved you proved the testing of those wells assuming the testing comes out and gives you the numbers that make sense under those

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conditions uh you talked about a way in fact I think you had mentioned about a temporary or a way of utilizing that well with Lancaster uh in the event that this doesn't get funded is do you see is is that part of it well let me ask you more

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general how would you plan to use it that adjunct well the numbers came in good low PIF is >> uh volume that would be a limited capacity so but it would be a yeah you could use it to pump into the system you know if we stay at two two pots per trillion. This this is where I'm I'm

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concerned if if the main well is say at five and six pots per trillion. >> Yeah. >> And it just takes time for that water to draw to that. So that that's where we're like is it good? It looks good right now. >> What do you mean it takes time for the water to

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>> uh so the the water not all the water is the same. It all I mean it all comes from the same aquifer. So when you when you pump it, you draw water to a certain spot that's not actually, you know, say the water flows this way. You start pumping a well that's over here. Well, you just drew that water to it.

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>> So the water that's going to that well might not actually be going to the ones we tested. That's why we the the plan was we put a pump on those and pump them aggressively to to to do that test cuz that's to me still unknown. >> No, I'm past that. You you ran the test and it still looks good. You ran

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>> You're being optimistic. Okay. >> No, no. I mean, I don't >> optimistic. Yeah, we we could put in it would be a lower capacity probably. I'm going to get I really don't know, but three maybe 400 gallons a minute. Uh yes, you can just pump that directly right in the system and do the pH

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adjustment saying calcium build up and >> um so in in the event um that it doesn't get funded could you see this third well third well >> I understand as somehow being fit into

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the plan to like tread water for example uh or maybe not tread water maybe be maybe be a viable solution if those Three. They're going to be You're going to have three wells there. >> Yes. So, we the the ones that we they were putting in when you were there. >> Yeah.

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>> Uh we just we needed more information. We were too close cuz we only have a 400t radius there. So, we wanted to stay in >> inside cuz those would have 250 foot radius. the engineering firm came down and picked out new spots and we were going to put new wells in and pump them

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very aggressive as as as aggressive as as they could >> and then start doing more water quality sampling. So we that was where it kind of didn't go past. So, so what I'm thinking is but uh this board approved I think $30,000

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last time, but you weren't sure some future some future special meeting. >> I'm thinking that perhaps um you might want to put a date on that future meeting >> tie it. It seems to fit with either both

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ways actually. Um >> I I like the idea. You had meant you scar. I'm sorry. All right, just some clarification on this. This is the additional wells at Keining, correct? >> Yes, the one. So, they've got that confining layer. So, we stayed above the confining layer, >> but is that going to are they going to

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increase our permit so that we can pump both at the same time or are we looking that our permit is still going to be the same and we can only draw so much out of that site? >> Uh, I think I think they would probably issue Yes, you're not going to increase the the amount out of that site. Uh, but

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this would probably have a separate permit because it's a it's a you can only pump so much out of a tubular well. >> So, I think they would give it another permit. Say uh they probably give it another well ID say well number 11. >> Would they limit the total out of the site?

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>> I don't I think this that would stay the same 1.4. >> Yeah. So, we're not necessarily increasing the amount we can take out. We're just we're just changing the ways we can take it out of the >> Changs. Maybe it's less capacity, but it's clean. >> Yes, that was the point. That was the points. And by the way, do they they

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they used to uh any number below four they used to enter into your calculations as a zero. >> Do they do that under two now or not? >> Uh they go by the detection level. So usually it's two. Two. So the zeros don't go they don't go to zero, they go to two. >> Okay. So if it's if it's 1.5 that goes

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in at zero. >> Yes. Because that's the 1.5. It's probably not too accurate of a reading anyway. >> Yeah. Exactly. It's basically a non detect icon. So, because it it could be part of uh both both the uh pass and the

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fail, if you will, of the SRF, maybe we should put a date on that. We should maybe move it up uh to to spend that $30,000. >> Yeah. If if and if this the case and you we call this special meeting, we're talking May. So, you could easily say, let's put this as part of it.

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>> Yeah. >> And I mean, that's not going to solve a lot of problems, but I mean it definitely be a good one to have as >> a little backup. I think so. And what Mr. Bur is saying is yes, I think this is a good idea to put it on that main meeting, but I think this is also part of that that uh workshop that we should

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we should be putting together to show the public like uh different options, different ways forward. If this passes, we do this. If it doesn't pass, these are our options. Um but well, >> different different >> this would be this sounds like a great idea.

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>> I'm hopeful for, but by no means is this a long-term solution. that that's for sure. Um so but yeah, these are the things that we need to kind of portray out there as to as as we forecast I'm even saying out five years. What does Bloomberg water look like in five years

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if this does not get passed? If this does get passed, you know, these are the things that we need to portray out and see see >> and there's nothing like information. So since you already approved the money, you authorized the money for it, let's bring it in as close as we can bring it in. >> Uh oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, so no matter what happens with

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any of this, I I would love to see that. >> Yeah, I would pursue >> we were we were a little bit I believe yourself, Mr. Chair, we're on we're on the fence because it wasn't going to change capacity out of that site. >> The hotness was still high. >> Yes, the PAS was low. So, I think that

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might have been why we were kind of sit we were back and forth on I'd have to go back over over my notes from that meeting, >> but I I think that was one of the reasons that we >> we're not jumping all over that because it, >> you know, that's true. >> Remember, we were talking about that and

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we talked about the fact that we weren't going to change capacity of the site. So, it was a good idea to do it, but where does it fit? We we don't really need a change in the capacity that site though. >> No, no. And that's why so it's just it

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there wasn't there wasn't to me with what you were what what Fran had been saying about the site enough of an improvement >> to spend the money on >> to spend the money on it. But again, it's still something for discussion and and when we when we try to figure out

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what are the directions we're going to choose and and how we communicate those to the public >> and nothing like having the information. Is there a date for the May meeting or not? >> You guys got to pick. >> Do we do we do that now or do we

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>> I think we should probably have a workshop before I think we should wait till like next meeting. I mean, let's there's a lot of information coming tomorrow. I'd like to get that in. >> So, our thinking was a regular commission night meeting at the school and we could pick an off night. It

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doesn't matter. But I think we should ask >> the I already spoke to the school. Yeah. >> You send me some dates. >> Yep. >> And uh so I would think like a Wednesday 6 o'clock, 7 o'clock, whatever. Or we pick whatever day you want. Whatever. >> Pretty easy. >> What I wouldn't mind setting is some

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sort of a workshop date if we can. I would. And then then from that, if we need more time and to discuss or or figure out how we're going to put these packages together. >> Yeah. >> Do you want to try to do that today or

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do you want to wait? I kind of want to wait till after you tomorrow's information is >> We could set it any day after tomorrow because that's just going to be a part of it. Another tool in the box. >> I think Yeah. Yeah. You got to do it quick though. >> That's what I'm saying. So that's why I was thinking about if we if for some odd reason we can set something up. Um

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>> do you want to try to do it after one of our regular meetings? >> I'd like to I I >> we're here. >> We're here. I think it's going to take some time. I would gather that we're going to sit down for probably

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with Fran for about 3 hours and I prefer to sit down with him not from 7 to 10. I would rather set that as maybe a day that's convenient for everybody to be here earlier when Fran's still scheduled to be here and maybe keep him a little

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later, but really hammer through this stuff and what's it going to look like and then we can put all the numbers. Fran can start throwing all the numbers to it. >> We got some baseline. >> So, I'm open to suggestion on when this

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meeting would take place. I'm pretty flexible. So I would leave it. >> The next meeting will be the 22nd in two weeks. >> So I see you from >> I would say if you could have something before the next meeting. >> Yeah. Then you guys >> at that meeting we can at least have a

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layout a layout of what we're trying to communicate to everybody. >> It's tight. We're we're making about as tight a timeline as the town has made to do an override which is no fun because you don't have the time to get the information. >> Has a date been set for the uh vote on

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the um on the uh funding gone. >> Is that date or is that the same? That would be a special that'd be a special meeting >> that so >> so the May special meeting that we're talking about is that the same meeting where the town's going to >> that's that's where we would present it

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to the district and the district voters would decide if they want to accept the funding >> and I think we have to have a few options because you can't just present one option based on that funding. You need to let them know >> you need to let everybody know what the question >> what are the what are the options that

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they have. What if we don't hope this stuff? These are our other >> plans. What about >> All right, we're not playing tennis with this stuff anymore. Next Wednesday. >> Got it. >> All right. Do you want to do 1:00 >> or is that too early? >> Or do you want to do 2:00? 3:00. 4:00.

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>> I think I think I can do two or three cuz I think it's going to take a couple hours of hammering this out. >> All right. 3:00. Undecided. 3:00 next Wednesday. >> Mr. Mky, would that suffice for you? I know you got a busy schedule. I I I there's a big thing on there says tax

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day. >> They still want that. You gonna do that every year? >> Yeah, that's the rumor has. >> Yeah. Hey, is that good for you, sir? >> Next Wednesday. >> Yeah. No, that's fine. Okay. All right. We're going to set that date next Wednesday at 3. >> And the only thing we're talking about is options SRF funding.

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>> That is the only thing what we're going to present. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. 3:00. >> We're going to call that workshop. Is that what you call that? >> Sounds professional. >> Okay. >> And that's the only item on the >> Okay.

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>> on it. >> You got anything else there, Mr.? >> Oh, okay. I just No. Yes. I do have one other thing, but uh aside aside from uh uh closing on this date, I'm trying to get dates in my mind. There's going to be a meeting in May to vote on the SRF.

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you're talking about including also the approval of of starting up of testing those uh I call them the adjunct wells on that same meeting. >> Okay. >> I think I think our um hopefully uh maybe we could get the superintendent

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and the clerk treasurer to come to put some sort of a timeline together for us before our workshop that would give us our goals and what we need to meet. >> I mean you have most of it. It's just a matter of actually putting it down in

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order. By this date, we need this. By this date, we need this. Where where what are our what are our guidelines and dates? >> I only have one other thing. It's administrative. So, I don't you had I know you had another top. >> I have something. We were already there.

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Well, you you have the floor and I'll anything out. >> Oh, okay. So as I watched your meetings when I sat over there instead of here um I every you expressed not concerned but you express a desire to have more people attend meetings and uh I was thinking

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about that and I'm sure you guys thought about it in the in the past. um the four o'clock time. I'm just wondering why why we meet at four o'clock because a lot of people were >> as far as I understand before I was really doing all this they used to be at

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7 o'clock and nobody came >> right they didn't come at late >> and then so it became 4:00 convenient and I know the the chairman and a bunch of them have thrown it out there multiple times that >> if residents ever wanted to reach out to

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change time and I I've never had a single resident reach out to me and want to change the time. So, it's more kind of convenient for all of us. >> We have a topic and they said someone wants, "Hey, can you have the meeting at 6 or 7 this this night?" Yeah, sure. >> Yeah, we can change it. It just is no res.

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>> But you haven't there's there's you already had you ran meetings at more 6:00. We've only met at 4:00 for like the last six years >> and the attendance didn't change. >> No. >> No. No. Actually, >> no one today was a very impressive. The

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the other the other reason too is that you have people like engineers that come in >> now they have to work a full day and come to a meeting at 7:00 to present their case. um our employees they they would go home and come back

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>> and it became something you know was didn't matter to me uh either time we have brought up numerous times if if for some reason you can't make a meeting and you want to come we'll change the time of the meeting because I think that would be less frequent

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than just having the meeting at that time. >> I found that the four:00 meetings one for me personally work out great but that's just just me. I think it's a a to staff that's here because they're here and they can just roll right into the meeting. >> Like Mr. Burr says, a lot of times when we have other uh entities come in like

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this, a lot of people don't want to wait till 7:00 at night to come to a meeting for something like this. So, it's always been very convenient to have this. Like you said, we put it out there in the past if for some reason. >> I'm just thinking of more attendance and you you already said you've done it.

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Seven sixes. I was thinking more like six, but I don't know that that would make a difference. Uh so the other thing that on that same topic is Zoom. Uh how come we don't do Zoom? >> We don't really have access to >> we don't we don't have the setup that they have in the town hall.

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>> Also I'm going to answer the question. This leads to to my next question. It's actually for you. Um I I I do not like Zoom. I don't want to Zoom. I don't feel the need to Zoom. I think there's a lot that gets lost in a Zoom meeting. >> Yeah. But having nobody here is getting

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a lot more lost than having somebody here. I mean that I mean I'm again I'm sticking with the public involvement. I mean I heard a lot about how you you know more public involvement frustration that there isn't enough public

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involvement. I think Zoom would give you at least the opportunity for more public involvement. From what I hear, a lot of the people just watch the public access and they make their their comments um how they feel. But so we don't we don't

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have like a um you know, you go to town hall, they have public access TV set up there, so they can run the Zoom, they can do that. We don't have the >> I mean, at town hall, don't they have the whole side? >> So I don't like I mean, we'd have to hire we'd have to pay another person to

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be here to run the Zoom cuz I'm >> Yeah, I run Zoom out of my home. I mean, >> well, no. If I had a computer in front of me to run Zoom and everything, we'd have to get to have people up there. I don't I'm not going to run the Zoom as I'm taking my minutes and doing that. I understand.

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>> So, what I'm saying is we would have to pay another person to be here >> to manage that and to be to attend the meetings and another employee to attend the meetings to set that up >> to stay after hours is what I'm saying. >> No, I I think you're I think you're

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overengineering it a bit. Not um so there would be no visual it just be it would just hear. >> No I know but who's going to sit and run the computer and >> if somebody raises their if somebody raises their hand and wants to speak on Zoom who's who's sitting at the computer

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to run that >> whoever the administrator >> No I take the minutes I'm not I'm not going to run the Zoom. >> So that's that's what I was saying is nobody here is going to sit here and run the Zoom. If we wanted someone to sit to run the Zoom, I would have to ask one of

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my guys or my assistant to come in and we would have to pay her to sit here >> to run the Zoom meeting for an hour, two hours, three hours, whatever, however long the meeting is. That that's what I was getting at. >> I I would emulate the opinion of the chair. I'm not a great fan of Zoom. I do

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it only when there is no other option. I am a face-to-face conversation type person and >> no I'm with you I'm with you on that but I think in this context we're talking about something different a different

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application it's about can other people the public >> participate in a meeting uh as opposed to not participate >> they're more than welcome to participate >> but that we apparently that didn't work at 6:00 or 7 o'clock Um, but

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>> I can't I can't make people come here, >> you know? I mean, this is >> So, you you think if if if Zoom were available to people, they still wouldn't even watch it. They wouldn't tune in. Is that what you think? I mean, it's quite

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>> I think there are people that are more in tuned to that and able to that's something that they do more often. I for one don't do it that often and and

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for other reasons not a big fan of Zoom. I'll just that's >> Well, I think the other thing is we don't have the really I mean other than if you wanted to just put a laptop there and somebody just wants to just sit on the laptop and listen. >> I don't have a problem with setting that up and leaving the laptop. But as far as

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being an interactive like a selectman >> where they the chairman can see or raise their hand and do all that. We don't have the means here to do that. >> I'm I'm not a I see too many people glitch out or you you I think Zoom has a level of

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Granted, I'm probably kicking myself, but unprofessionalism to it. Granted, we have that sometimes when we're live, but we're we're you know, we're we're live and I just I I'm just not to me I'm not a fan of it. But >> so the question is simple. Do do you

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think Zoom if we had the Zoom we would get more public uh participation or not? And that that's the first question. And if the answer if we think yes then we could quantify it to your point is we need somebody here to answer raise

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hands. If you think that it will not add any more public participation then that shuts that down too. So the quality of zoom and how much it how well it functions for different people is sort of you know it I don't think is a question that I have on the table

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anyway. I just can we get the public participate more and if you don't think so then >> I would have to for for me I would like some time to dwell on it >> and before I gave a a formal opinion not again right off the bat I'm not a crazy Zoom guy. Uh I don't you know I'm going

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to go I go like the meeting I'm going to go on tomorrow is probably that's the only Zoom meeting that I've been on. The last one I went on was the same meeting because it's how they they they coordinate and you guys huddle around the computer in there and have it. And

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so I those are the last meetings that I've gone on for Zoom were just water district business. I try to keep out of it as much as I can. I'll weigh in on it. I once again I just don't think the quality of interaction you have between people on Zoom is is the quality interaction I want to have with people.

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So, I'm not I'm not a fan of it and I don't really think it benefits my opinion. >> Anything else? >> Uh, no. I I have nothing else, >> Mr. Brush. >> Yeah. Real real easy and real quick. The

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um the grant that we discussed with um >> with Benjamin with Mr. one about um an expansion of the of the the infrastructure. >> Um if we step back, I don't want to open

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any huge old wounds, but there was a we we had talked about expanding the district or expanding the main down Chase Road and up Power Street for another project. Yeah, >> I'm not planning on going that far, but as part of that project, there was

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interest specifically at the at Lanny Orchards for Water for him to be able to develop a commercial kitchen and maybe bakery >> to accent his business >> uh to try to add a service to the community. Mhm.

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>> I didn't know if a short addition to our infrastructure like that would be something the board would consider or is that something can we can we go multiple spots in town to utilize this grant? >> I kind of feel like we need to have a

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conversation with time bond agree >> about how far can we go with this and how far before they're going to be like >> they're being ridiculous. You know what I mean? Like I so I think As much as I think a conversation is

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great between Gordon or Dillis Roy and Ty Bond, I think we need to make sure we don't >> I think in my opinion I think you're going to we need to proceed with one project. >> Well, that's that's where I was. >> So, I'm wondering is this something you

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maybe want to step back from the Mr. Shelley Road one? >> I don't I don't know where where they're so close. Maybe we could tie them together cuz you know we're talking not necessarily the road's all industrial and commercial you know so that's going

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to develop the jobs well typically if the jobs you need people place for them to live you know projects right near the railroad that's that's a big push so >> I yeah I think it's I think I don't I'm glad the time bond is a part of it

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because they understand the details a little bit better so I think this is where we need to have a conversation with them to say hey listen if it could be just an idea. >> Are we going too much? >> We we'll definitely ask. Would the board be

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>> open to to that being a part of the grant if it was something that wasn't going to >> sure be against us in the application. >> I guess before I got to that point there, I would really would like to sit

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down with Fran and look at the map that we have here. And I feel that there's just some areas in our water system that may take priority to that. I don't know. There's there's just there's certain things that boy, if we could do this, if we could do this, you know, I think

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>> Well, you got to keep in mind it needs a specific thing. It's not just, >> hey, we'd love to loop this part of it. It's got to intentionally grow the community. But yes. Yeah. >> Yeah. I just, you know, I'm not looking for an answer. I'm just looking for the board. I just sit and think about it. And if if if it's a quick how many

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places can we do this and tying Bond says oo you know >> Yep. >> Quick quick list different uh sanitary survey starts tomorrow >> did I come in here?

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>> Anything else Mr. Br? >> Nope. >> Oh I'm sitting in the seat. >> Oh no I still get to go. Yeah, >> I thought you turned and you LOOKED AT ME LIKE I'LL LET YOU KNOW.

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>> YEAH, I saw it. >> You're supposed to say that up here. >> Uh Chrissy, do you have anything? >> All I want to say is thank you to the all the employees that helped out at our annual meeting. Um >> D and Paul. >> Yes.

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>> And Mr. Gits that came and stepped up and helped us. Um, we I know we uh have always been questioned in the past couple years, but things ran the same as they do every year. Uh, but very smooth. Our our guys really stepped up. My assistant Lisa stepped up, Paul,

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everybody. So, I just wanted to say thank you that they I appreciate them coming in on a Saturday for a very >> for a long Saturday, >> very long day. Um, >> so that's all. >> Nope. To to saying to you and the staff and everybody, I thought, you know, there was

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some patience needed through some things, but the public in general and and I think again the staff and the board and everybody did a great job. >> I'll applaud Carol Hatch, too. She did a fantastic job everything she had to do. >> That is a tough role to step in and she did very well.

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>> Yep. >> Uh I got a couple things. Uh one, and this is kind of just a question to all of us and I don't really because I don't know the answer. So on that annual meeting, it came up for the expansion of the water district and I know that the people that are in that proposed

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expansion area can't vote on the expansion. Is there any way to change that? You know, like I just I kind of feel bad for the people that are sitting in this area that the water district may come into that they have no say. Like is that just

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life or >> it's been brought up before and I don't know. That's how the enabling acts say it that. So I don't >> they do have they do have a right to uh speak or to if somebody could recognize them and I would definitely

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>> feel that as a board member if somebody wanted to be recognized that wasn't in the district to speak on it. >> They spoke uh >> that people there you know spoke that weren't you know so I just I just figured I I kind of knew the answer but I just didn't maybe you guys knew something I didn't either.

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>> Yeah. I don't think that's a doable thing without I just I went down the whole thing too cuz how would you have a clicker voting on the other things and you just you know so I don't know I just I kind of knew the answer but that was for the people that you know I'm trying

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>> all right uh Mr. Emp >> You want me to make a motion? >> No no no no I'm not >> Oh I thought that's what he was going for. >> No no no I I have some questions for you. First off, welcome and uh excited that you're here.

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>> Um, a couple things. So, I understand that you go to Florida for the winter. >> How long do you go for? >> I typically go for two and a half to 3 months. >> How do you plan on conducting water

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business when you're gone? >> Well, zoom is one possibility. That is that is >> and I could tell you I was down uh this past year I probably did uh more work on the on water district stuff than I

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probably did if even if I was home. Um I don't I don't see u I mean is there a concern that >> Well yeah I mean are you going to be here for the meetings? Well, I was hoping that we could work something out with either if not the

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high-tech of Zoom, we could put a speaker out here. >> I I have a couple. I have a couple. >> Excuse me, but how what would the people do? Didn't you ever miss meetings? >> What do you do when people you dismiss? >> Well, where there's two of there's there's no We've had meetings where as

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long as we have two commissioners, we have a quorum. Um, I've >> dialed in a couple times that I can think of. Other than that, I, you know, I'm not a perfect attender. I I've missed one or two meetings a year or

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we've either cancelled them due to lack of lack of an an agenda. >> Y >> So, >> so I would say the same thing. I would u plan to uh tie in. >> Okay. or I mean if it's really important in you my presence I'll fly up.

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>> I would say for I would say >> I did that for this election. >> We would I would say for any for I think it's important that we're present especially for the annual meeting and any special meetings. You know I've

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really tried I've made my schedule work as much as I can. I mean, the hard part is too is that even if you called in, you're you're not here to sign anything, to sign any warrants, to sign any minutes, to to do any paperwork.

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>> I guess the other thing, too, is is Oh, once again, this is really just general questions, you know, um there's been this there's times where we need to sit in an executive session due to hiring, firing of employees and stuff like that. And, you know, that's like I kind of

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want everybody, >> you know. So those are the those are the you know the areas of concern when I found out that you you were gone and I was like oh >> I I well then you know I I said why don't you when we have those meetings and if I happen to be in Florida why don't you let me know you want my

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presence here and I'll see if I can get up here. I make it. We go to him. >> I would not I would not uh go I would absolutely I got a spare veteran >> district. Better yet.

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>> Well, you got you'd have to get a few extra because if if it involves the employees, there's four of them. The the superintendent, the clerk treasurer, the assistant. We would have to get up. Do you have more than one court chair? all part and and about a hundred people at the

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same time. But no, seriously, if there's something that my presence that you need my presence here, we'll work it out. Let me know and I see if I get up here. Otherwise, I'll just type in my phone. >> Okay. >> Or we can do a simple we can do a simple zoom if if you'd like. But that's just a

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voice connection. You don't have to see me. >> Oh, that's just a thing I want to see. Yeah. Well, that that's the whole premise on him not linking Zoom is that personal international. >> Okay. Cross that bridge. Something to just something to

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>> I don't want to get in the way of um I have nothing else. Do publicly. >> Oh yeah, we got public. I put it there just for you >> next to Mr. Rogers here. Don't fly to yourself. Okay, I won't. I'll run this

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35 John Street. This is to help the new machinery you're you're you're buying. Okay. Were you going to get the same warranty on a used one like you're buying compared to the new one? Are they working with you on that?

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>> It's still considered brand new. >> It's still considered brand new. Okay. The politest way >> possible. >> Yep. >> And just being firm on this. We're here for public comment. >> Oh, sorry. >> We're not Q&A. >> No, no. And and the other thing is, is there a

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tax benefit? Because that's capital. You're doing a capital investment. Will that benefit the the district? >> We don't pay taxes. >> Yeah, we don't pay taxes. >> Oh, well then I am done. >> Thank you. Dude, the tall that's got to really

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>> is going to kill me now. Dave hit me. That's what it is. >> If I hit you, you wouldn't be seen. >> Yeah, I know. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you for your comment, sir. >> Yep. >> Don't move. It'll knock me over. >> Yeah. >> Fortune 50 Hemlock Drive.

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>> Uh just a again a couple of public comments during your meeting. Um, I think it would be beneficial for the whole community and certainly the people I speak for if all the wells are part of a plan. So, I know that's what you've talked about, but I just want to reinforce that all the wells should be

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part of the plan. >> I agree. >> Uh, and I could suggest as well, I'd like to suggest as well uh that when you come up with the finance of what it's going to cost individuals that you consider small connection fee increases and large increases in the cost of

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water. All right? So people that use more water just pay more. That's, you know, it's kind of that simple. But uh and finally, I'd just like to say Zoom is an excellent tool. Corporations around the world use it. They run businesses with it. Uh there is ways to

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sign documents. That is not being here in the present. Um I I you may want to consider that for the future. Maybe not this year or next year, but certainly in the future. You had one point talked about having a screen up here. You could have your screen up here. You could have

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a camera on it and it would work. I think it would work great. >> Thank you. >> Uh Mr. Rogers, you give me the peace sign or you want you want to jump. >> Okay, brother. >> Uh Dave Rogers, 82 Highland Street. Um

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couple of comments. I I thought that it would be a great idea to have some kind of a a night or to uh talk about the finances of the uh the water district because people that were at the annual meeting or the

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meeting that we had. They had no clue. They they don't have any idea how this is run. I mean the lady said, "Well, we'll borrow money from ourselves." That says it all. Yeah, that was my wife by the way. >> That's okay.

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>> Okay. >> I mean, I'm telling you, you know, municipal >> Hold on, Mr. Rogers. We're here for public comment and I want to hear your comment, >> but my customs n >> um the uh the other thing is that uh um

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I'm going to tell it like it is because it needs to be said. You can only serve one master. Okay? So you fellas and ma'am are here doing the the business of the water district. Uh I question u the

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ability of other people on this on this board that that would meet with other um groups in town um and and where the allegiance is. Okay. specific if you belong to a

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association and and you're here in your capacity uh what kind of you know reaction uh would you look for in terms of of conducting business uh with with

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another group you can put you guys can put girls can put two and two together you understand what I'm saying um and I I have a real problem with this because I mean as I said you can only serve one uh master and this is very complex stuff

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okay um in so far as my opinion is concerned which is worth what you're paying for it nothing um you know you don't have much of a chance with this uh doing what you wanted to do well well thought out but when this gentleman got

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up uh not you you're a gentleman too uh this gentleman got up and and and a grilled uh friend >> grilled >> um you know it's um all they have to do is put the word out and you know you're shoveling you know

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what about the the uh uh situation. So uh I could ask you a couple of questions and it would go zero. How much is this going to cost me? When will it be done? How come you can't give us a price on

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the on the building and the installation and all of that? How come how do you expect us to vote on this the rank and file? So on and on and on, you know, so and the and the end end product here is

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um if we have to finance money, okay, where where are we going to get it? who's gonna who's gonna uh loan us money, you know, at a point and that goes with how much it it it costs, you

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know. So, I mean, this is a very very difficult thing in a perfect world, my considered opinion, if people work together and there's no way in hell that that the two factions are going to do it because it's it's not going to happen.

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So, this is an uphill fight. Thank you. Thank you. >> Public comment. >> Before I do that, public comment >> covered. >> Yeah. >> Everyone here talks.

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>> I I saw I think it was an email I think Easter Sunday or something. >> No, no, no. This is only going to take a second. No, just but but I saw uh water mane break and then immediately after I saw water main break was fixed at 2 a.m.

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I thought, "Wow, that was impressive." >> I just wanted to throw that. >> Yeah, >> I did the post, too. >> Yeah. Anyway, that was impressive. I moved that. >> Trust me, I did not want to. Do >> I hear a second? >> I would second that. >> All those in favor? All right. All right. Great job. There was a moment I

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