okay ladies and gentlemen welcome to the lomberg water districts today is uh February 1225 we start by saying the Pledge alance to the flag the United States of America to the for stands one
nation indivisible we WR it hey at least with standing wow I was like I do that we're making an effort right yeah we get some minutes floating around
here yeah but right here want gentlemen want to look at those sure I'll look at the warrants real quick and fill a little dead space FR we're still talking about we we're in waters we're still in drought conditions
up critical drop yeah even though with the snow CU it you're not going to even with snow melt you're not going to get that much yeah so this is going to have to think about this cuz when it hit Springtime then uh there's massive restrictions with you're not going to be
allowed the water outside at all if we're if we're critical if we stay with that don't have the moisture for the springtime yeah there was an inv then they must have returned something like a wiring harness or something did they return something to again pump oh it
came with the electric pump so we returned the electric okay it was like so we're going to switch it keep the for Mr chair you sir Mone there's also a resident I think they posted on Facebook that they well
and dry oh really I don't know if there wasn't enough detail to whether uh you know why whether uh a company came out whether it was a pump issue whether it was a water issue whether it was a pressure tank you know didn't nothing I saw that I I think it sounded like it was like a pump it could have been
something like that I mean but that's what spurred on the that just a quick talk about the fact that we are in drought conditions even though we have snow and you know you're really not thinking about how much moisture we actually have when it's when it's in a form of snow and we
really haven't had that much snow no not really all the events have been rather small I mean we the last one was one of the largest ones that we' had this is the mass oh yeah yeah yeah that's sign yep
yeah so it was like 5 years ago really dry spell a lot of people would come to fill up tanks bringing them home running Mr chair I make a motion we accept the minutes so January 22nd all those in favorute here are the warrants and we
can continue on thank you sir moving on review and discuss a water bill with residents of 11 butter L uh she called yesterday and said she has vehicle problems so she wasn't sure
she'd be able to make it she says if she can't if we could put her on the agenda for the next meeting so I don't know if she'll show up but we can pass over that we pass over that until uh get our next next meeting till further is there anything that we have on that to just kind of update us or we rather wait
until well if you want the the previous owner had normal water bills yes low usage wintertime irrigation system big bills during the summer time so she moved in her bills have been huge the whole time occasionally she'll have a low usage one and we go read the meter
and and like weekly and uh so finally we got tired of it and stuck in a logging meter now we we log her and she seems to be right now uh holding pretty good on usage so but who who knows I mean when we put them that logging meter in she
went three days with A continuous leak so how long was that going before that meter so maybe when you know she knew when we were there something you know so yeah we went out multiple times uh when she first started calling she got her first quarterly
bill but there's not a problem with the existing media that she had no plus when if there's a problem with the meter it's typically in the customer's favor right and when we when she got her first bill it was
um where is how long has she lived there just kind of she moved in 2023 okay roughly May of 2023 and it was that following October bill that she used 19,000 cubic feet and her water bill was
$1600 so she called she was like that's October so that would be from Iration September August yeah which is very consistent cuz the previous owners every October bill was 15,000 14,000 so y very
cons so I know it's hard to justify but it was so we went out we looked at things and then she got another bill after that and it was still up at 4700 cubic feet for the January of 24 that's when she finally called we went out and
she had told Terry I think it was Terry you know I didn't even have my irrigation there's no way so she claims there was no irrigation we went out multiple times couldn't find any leaks couldn't find anything um then we continued to read and then
that's when she called multiple times about saying I'm not paying for it this is this something wrong so that's when we put that other data one on and then her usage went down from there but did the initial on the data meter was that
consistent so that only goes back we put that in we didn't put that in until when did we do it was an off seon it was yeah it was after everything and she's back so right now with the new
meter since we put that in like two months use she's had like 400 cubic feet which is consistent because every other time that what the previous owners were down to so it's she's following right in line but she um
so there could have whether there was an issue or something in between that didn't catch in in her internal Plumbing cuz you did you when you pulled her meter do we still have the old meter we left the meter we only put the new radio on to
datalog oh no I'm sorry yes I'm sorry yes we replaced everything yes we changed the whole thing do we have the uh old meter uh I'm not yeah I would assume we kep we have to try to find that just to make sure cuz if we had to I mean we could send
that out to T if she would like to test it yeah to to determine that it was the meter even though typically what a meter is not reading accurately it is reading less than the
quantity of water used right so but but it's tough stranger things have happened but they never seen it go that way yeah especially the digital was Nor mechanical moving right yeah so we we had a couple conversations um France had a couple conversations with her too that
she's very frustrated because we haven't been able to give her answers you know she says all you're doing is blaming it on irrigation and and it's really tough because we look back at the history granted that's a different homeowner but she has irrigation she says she never used it we asked you know you make sure
when you turn your irrigation on you talk to whoever that company is can they test it is there something going on cuz you fall in line with having high usage for irrigation and nothing she could have a leak in the system and not even know it but she kept trying to tell
us that she never used it water I unless we can find fault with the meter which we never do when that happens the water went through the meter so there's got to there had it had to go somewhere yeah the grass is green so when the guys would know they did they check the tank in the toilet I think they checked
everything I went there once I spent a long long time there yeah I didn't I couldn't find anything she she actually I think she had a leak in one of the toilets and actually shot it off and doesn't use that bathroom anymore so and this continued so I don't think that was
part of the problem yeah but uh she she seemed like she was really trying to figure out was what was going on too so she she to me she's been Cooperative yeah it's nice to me yeah well we just keep checking so we cooking but now with that logging meter you basically kind of
yeah down to the hour of how much she uses and and we have you know and that shows she's us when did you put that log of meter R just curious so it went I was trying to I had a note on it um actually I can tell you months ago or nope
uh 1126 oh okay new meter installed 1126 24 24 y yeah yeah but she I'm I can see her concern still is the past High usage that's can we figure out
um a way to explain that which is tough for us because the meter typically The Meters don't ever fail in that direction yeah yeah because I mean when she first moved in she had the 19,000 for the October bill then after call you say
like when she first moved in she's been there for well I'm sorry in 2023 she moved in in um like May and then in October of 23 she got the 19,000 cubic F feet then again 4,000 cubic feet but then drop down to 500 but then come
summertime bumped right back up to four and then almost nine the following October which she claims for she never used the irrigation ever in all of that time but that's right but even from going from 560 even if it was on you really you you could still have a
leak in the system and not know it yeah maybe it wasn't coming out the sprinkler but it was coming out it could have been you could in a valve box any where you could have a leak in a main line and unless somebody is really looking for that you wouldn't you wouldn't find it CU it's not common practice I think
that's why she wanted to come because I think I've I've expressed that multiple times and um didn't is admin that it's it's not so I said then you're more than welcome to come in and talk with you guys okay so
so I'll give her we got we got the low down on it appreciate yeah and I'll print I'll had her full so you guys can kind of see it and I'll do a little spreadsheet for you for next time okay okay next thing we get is review and vote fiscal year
25-26 budgets so I gave you guys maintenance and operating budget um top stuff is the standard numbers actually the top one is all of your breakdown the budget underneath so the outstanding debt is just those three
um the old key well the mass at water main loan is just going to be that first interest payment M and then the Garage here mhm um then your typical commissioner stuff
Insurance um was only that's just for like um liability that kind of stuff the top number the 35 to the 37 legal I bumped up a little bit uh just because I'm anticipating we
probably will life insurance afflac I only added a little bit only because we'll be coming on to um PJ and Ryan eventually U getting their year mark or twoyear Mark um retirement that's a solid number I got that from
them that's the uh wer Regional mhm and health insurance they are projecting High estimates of 20% yeah averaging 10 to 15 % uh but I know we carried 135 last year
but with being in between hiring um we didn't meet that full 135 so anyways the 140 I took what we actually paid and what we are going to be paying with what the staff that we have for now added the 20% the high number and that's where
we're at for the 140 okay I don't see him going 20 but but but I'd rather carry that number and have it for us so I got my numbers back and they were 10 or 12% I mean that's what that's
what they're hoping for they said with project they don't they won't know that for another month or two so um salaries you guys already agreed on um maintenance you know utilities all of that kind of stuff and the only other
one that we went up with chemicals which you said I think they're projecting to stay close they should stay right pretty much close so that one we added the to mump up on that so so the only thing I want to just mention I know we've
Staffing so well this budget doesn't include any extra staff so if you if you want to add somebody you're waiting another year so if you think you might want to do something in this year and there's money available in in the revenue to to put it in here so I mean
even if you put it in use it I I would favor that I would yeah because I mean the thought was that even if you use it with temporary help to try to get some projects done
this summer you're going to use it so and if we don't use it then at least we're anticipating it and and it's there to be used because we we've talked about yeah trying to do some of the projects in house to
save substantial money for the for the district all right so if we do yeah so we could up the salary and then we up the health insurance one to cover yep if you if yes if we if we up both of those and then at least gives you the option
of if we end up hiring temporary help that might not do it to get something done it gives you it gives you budgeted money to to go to to to grab the money to do some of the projects that we're talking about all right so do we
have yeah I got time to make changes before so they don't need to vote on it tonight well I mean you can whip up the numbers real quick just bump up the salary 45,000 because that's a baseline yep that's 20 22 bucks an now 4 oh and then
it's actually under and whether that whether that becomes a um we might want to consider because I don't know if you're going to look towards hiring well you got the guys here so you're just looking to hire additional right I mean if it was I'm thinking just thinking
that if life's looking good and we want to attack uh Rolling Acres Rolling Acres yeah um and we find somebody that is that wants to work maybe a temporary permit we don't know but even on a temporary status for five months y you
know um so I mean I'd put the salary thing at 50,000 just okay you know yeah and we talked about having the the anticipated increase in Staffing to jump to the treatment phases that we're going to have to right so
you know it could turn into something more for a additional Staffing year round because of the the treatment phases that we're going to need to get into I would love personally to try that this year I think that'd be great if we could try it so I do I don't know so add
the 50 add the 50 and whatever the corresponding health insurance do you want to carry a single plan or a family can can we just budget for family and and then see we don't use it we don't use if we don't use this we don't use uses if this thing all goes we don't do it we don't do it right so do do you
want to give me a minute and I'll get in a number and then that way we can vote on it tonight and give me one let me pull up yeah we can that's but I mean that's just kind of my thought process there if the weather turns you know we're looking at like a
good spring and it looks like uh we're we have no other catastrophes anywhere and we want to start trying to do that and we can grab uh someone who's you know potentially long full-time
employee or I someone who's on a in between jobs or college Sumer I don't know you know I mean got yeah it leaves us open to do leav US Open to do it you know if uh we got a sale on pipe and you I don't you know yeah so if if we do
rolling it CU it'll be the the one of the most critical things we do is Flushing hydrates and we do that in April so whatever we do for any water man Pro be half to fling yep so it' be probably middle of May right do I mean you have that breakdown that whole how you want to do it and the time and
everything so I mean and I found the original set of plants with rolling I can see all the drainage yeah that's actually was 1958 the water man shouldn't repaced was a different brand than they typically and I I saw in all the minutes
where they were fighting over it with the developer the Commissioners where that they didn't want that pipe and they they kept fighting and finally said we'll try it and they tried it the pipe didn't didn't yeah all right so we're looking at another
32 for the health insurance yep as much as the salary yep all right so if you are going to I would just do the motion including the additional 50 for salaries and 32 for
health insurance so what's the bottom number because that's how they vote on give me a second all right actually the top number what we vot on the 1998 that would be 9 so we need to know
what the what the new Total is just take the budget and add that or whatever that is and vote on that correct I don't remember the bylaw that was passed what did that did that apply to budgets we remember so they passed the
bylaw we can't spend over $2 million without a district vote no but we put in the I thought we put in exclusion that excludes budget that that excludes that should to operating yes yep yeah all right so we're at
2,080 so 2,080 93022 let me double check I first thought the budget was around 500,000 oh yeah and now that's our maintenance well if you I don't
know what the fire department budget is but I believe this is the same Department uh uh Mr chair I would make a motion that we accept the maintenance and operating budget for
2526 um as amended adding um for additional employee and and benefits for a total of 2 million 80 $8,000
8,930 22 second so Mo good job good J all righty all of it all right and if you get a chance to just reprint this absolutely you don't have to print it out for us but you have it cleaned up and just just double check the new bylaw
thing just to make sure all right but they I believe that was one of our is isues is that we were getting really close to when legal reviewed it I remember legal saying that same exact thing and I I know it was discussed I just want to make sure that that's in print y v
okay anybody good on that yep and next we get is review and vot changes to the Water District's rules and regulations regarding the Water Service Alliance okay so we we wrote up a little fa with you guys just to add our R rules and regulations we had a uh DP survey mostly
in regards to the uh lead service lines yes they were questioning if a customer has a lead line who who's responsible for repairing it and they wanted details on where where in our rules and regulations does that take place and we
needed to send that to so we didn't really have a specific spot just so it's clear we don't have any lead service line so it's really doesn't matter but let's so I kind of add a little section at the bottom where it says if some rule some regul federal state regulation have a comes in effect that
says cop is bad you know then then that'll be an issue so I was just trying to think of the future if something happened on our side we we cover the cost for that they assigned the residents would be responsible that but this would if we approve this then we just stick it in the rules and regulations when then we can send it to
the state and uh just kind of covers us a little more let home owners yeah I kind of went into a little more detail because we had the resume that fixed the leak on Saturday you know so I kind of went in that we have to respect it
right so I think pretty quick I it's probably worth reading and just describing real quick to people so that they understand exactly where the responsibility lies um I don't know if you agree with that Mr chair absolutely fire away I'll take
my best shot it we can switch off if we want halfway through this is uh so the these are our rules and regulations yes yes okay so would be under Section 8 the water district maintains the Water Service connection for Residential Properties from the water main to the
street side of the shut off valve or curb stop or property line if shut off valve is significantly past the property line the curb stop is the deciding factor in determining who is responsible for repairing a
leak if a leak is found on the homeowner's side of the shut off valve the homeowner is responsible time to repair is critical to limit unmetered water and and destruction or flooding of property repairs are expected to take
place within 3 days if a repair fails to be corrected the district may be forced to do the repair and build the homeowner let's take that section so from the main there is a curb stop curb
stop somewhere on the edge of a person's property usually we nowadays we shoot for the property line right so we we are responsible up to the curb stop correct the line from the curb stop which could
be up to 200 to 1,000 ft whatever it is is the responsib ility of the homeowner but if there is and we are responsible at the end of that at the house the meter just the meter just the
meter so any leak between the curb stop at the property line or wherever it is located to the meter is the responsibility of the homeowner but if they are not repairing that because it
is unmetered we can take responsibility repair it and build a homeowner yes okay so in some cases we we we do that anyway you know we leave it up to the home own you we can fix it we just do time and material labor you know uh so we do it
or they can hire it out if they H if they hire somebody out to do the repair we have the right to designate the parts that they use and how they do the repair and we inspect it correct
that's corre paragraph two which probably is what's going to be described in paragraph two I'm just trying to break it down so people to you know live this but should we have in there if the repair isn't made we have the right to shut the curve stop off oh
I think we should have that you know what I'm saying like if you know if we feel this as like I mean my goodness I mean most of these times they're small leaks but for some reason uh I'm just thinking if it was a property that someone really R out the line and like Noah's home or
you know like we have the right to go shut it off I mean maybe that should the end of that one I'm going to yeah so I'm going to add to that uh so at the end of that the district may be forced to do the repair and build a homeowner or shut off water service like it so on the where I put
the property line the old days we used to own all the way to all the way to the house Y and actually before I started here they they switched it to the curb stop but uh uh rolls of it come in 60t lengths so a lot of times they would put tie onto the main and run 60 ft to the
End of the Roll put the shut off in so sometimes that's 8T from the house yeah so that's where they you know they went 40t past the property line so that and the whole reason that they they impose this uh to the shut off be because
they'll fix inst stall walls and kinds of fancy stuff and it was getting very expensive to maintain that section I mean they act cost the pixel line is Right few hundred okay so the second part the water line that extends from the shut
off valve to the home is under the control of the district but the homeowner is financially responsible for the repair of this pipe the district must approve and inspect all repairs that take place under no circumstances can the water
line be excavated and or altered in any any way without permission from the superintendent of or or the Board of Water Commissioners in a if a repair is made and backfilled without inspection the
district will require the repair to be re-excavated uh if an alteration or modification of the water line takes place that is not approved by the superintendent or the Board of Water Commissioners the water service will be terminated until everything is returned to their
satisfaction if a time comes when a Fed federal or state regulation determines that the service pipe material becomes unacceptable due to the material it is constructed with the district will be responsible for its section and the homeowner will be responsible for their
portion so all of this in its entirety plus I added at the end of the first paragraph or shut off water service y because we can't have it being wasted but so some of the like alterations cuz my thing is well let's
say someone digs up their water line cuts it in and runs it to a another house or a barn or something and so they just took a connection that was only supposed to supposed to be one house and violated the paying the connection fees and everything else to the other house
that's why alteration that's kind of why I got in there yeah so they can't alter that waterline I mean if they relocated it I mean we got to shut it off anyway all right uh so I tried to little certain I relocated a waterline recently and I had
the district do it I I excavated it back they did the connection they put the it all into the foundation and everything so that you know if a contractor could have done it but it would have needed to be inspected by the district so okay so we'll tweak that one thing
you guys okay with us adding it I just put that or I don't know if you wrote that I did too yeah okay uh do they need to that would be a vote yeah vote to add these to it's just so you know it's um rules
and regulations yep uh article three Section 8 so Mr chair I would make a motion that we uh amend our rules and regulations article 3 section 8 as written with the the addition of the or shut off water
service to the first paragraph so both second got you perfect all right you good with that I'm good all right just just for the public I mean this seems pretty pretty strict and strent fr pretty easy to work with if
you take pictures or call him in advance he will walk you through what you can and can't do yeah uh as far as the waterline repair right yeah if a homeowner is motivated and they want to dig up their home own no problem you can do but we just need to look at it that's
why I hired the district here to do it because the staff great and it's it's very reasonable yeah yeah no it's it's not saying that you know we could work together on anything but we just need to make sure that that it's you know approved and
documentation and everything else uh moving on commissioner superintendent clerk treasure Edition okay so um one we every year we do the annual report is a commissioner's report uh I don't know if anybody wants to jump in and say you got
it uh I thought typically the the chair it's supposed to be the chair but usually no one does it they make me do it so I didn't know if that was the case but if you want to just make some notes of things you want to touch on I could I can do that or I can just do what we typically do like just mostly it's going
to be M up P fast yep uh FR I'll stop by we okay FR does a great job he does a great job so the other another thing is uh the past sampling um we we we with the new uh
sampling plan we're doing much more sampling uh with the failure of well number five so the way number well number five which is actually well ID of the Z 07g that's the idea of it uh it was well five when it originally went in
then we we changed the design of it to a uh to four somersal Wells out back so that that's what it is so you got the main Pump Station with four individual Wells out back that have a small five horsepower motors that pump to the main pump and then they pumps out to the
system so when that well failed they DP Chang the whole sampling F so now we sample the well number five with all the wells running and then we also have sample each individual well so we gave you a little under 2025 well they're all
they're all pretty similar in uh the P pass levels so I think I don't know if they were thinking that maybe one of the wells was better or two so you just run some and not all right we we run each individual it's not easy to do we have to shut the system off and pump it up
the hyr we you know let it run for an hour or two and then sample it but anyway so you got that sheet there so you can see all the sampling that took place since 2023 and we have 2020 play and you can you can see how much they've already how many samples they've increased and look
at how many in 2025 we've already done and we pretty much just di in 2025 if you look at uh 2023 Lancaster a uh which the Blended which at that time we we were sampling all full Wells at the same time which is
not typical how we run them we typically run two at a time uh we'll run well uh one and four and on one night and then the next night we're run Wells five 5 and two so the the 2023 results are all
Wells run together so we didn't separate them by sampling because when deep he said blended Wells that for us told us to turn them all on and what what do we got and that that's what those numbers are so looking at the new regulation that came out the P fos and
POA uh the p fails cuz the new regulation maximum is 4 4.0 POS we came in 4.3 run that was 2023 yeah uh Kings uh very close on the on the P4 uh 3.85 regulations four so I me we're very
close and then that was on in uh January 23 and then in June uh the P4 went to 5.1 which which fails now if we skip ahead to 2024 uh that now we did individual sampling
uh for each well individually so you can see what they what they do uh without being a blend M uh so well number one the P4 uh exceeded the level of 4.94 uh well two actually came out very good uh it passed uh everything uh the
only small slight indication of some p uh well for also did pretty good the p91 uh in the total six that less than two because the the two is the like limit of uh testing accurately uh well
five uh that one failed uh the p 4.46 and the total six was 9.58 uh Kings uh again failed the P came into a level of five and then uh Lancaster Abby did a full round of the
raw water and a lot of these samplings uh not necessarily DP requirements because we were going through that class action lawsuit so we were we were doing a lot of testing uh to to so hopefully we get more money uh given to us from from the
lawsuits but uh well number one uh the well number one passed but it get it was getting a little higher 3.45 uh well two again did really good uh well four did did really good slightly higher but still did good uh well number five went higher in all we
actually we actually failed this one this one we talked about a little while at the total six of 20.3 and that the current regulation the old regulation was a maximum of 20 so the P4 was 8.67 and the P4 4.89 so every every aspect of
the well number five water failed and then the Blended of all of them the P fall failed and uh the PS was right up to 2.76 so I'm me kick into samples we just took uh January uh so we did uh now now
they go by how we operate Wells one and four together and Wells two and five together so Wells one and four together the P was 4.86 so that that failed uh a little higher in the P 2.7 and Wells 2 and five uh the P passed at 2.67 and the
P passed but at 3.95 it's only right there at the four so uh yeah so then well number five so number five all of them together uh the P4 3.3 the P4 5.04 so well number five running all the
wells together failed and then we did the individual of each well so 5-1-2 D3 D4 and they're all very similar uh they all run uh two to three on the uh p p
and the P4 is uh from four to five five just touch over five five and a half so they all they all they all each individual fail on themselves individually so well so
back in 24 if you take well one two four and five your best producing Wells are five and uh yeah produc well you got two two ways L the number five and four the
highest producing okay uh but four has very limited amount of water so very limited capacity so I I didn't hear where you said you didn't say anywhere where you run two and four together but still even with the new sampling you couldn't run two and four together and
still I I don't I don't believe the pro that they all have their little issues well four it's it's 49 ft deep but the water T is at 20 ft so you have 29 ft of water there you have a 10t screen so you're already down to 19 without even turning the pump on and then cuz they
don't want you pumping the screen getting the water table where the pump's at the top of the screen anyway so uh there's not a whole lot of water there so when you run it and if I showed and I've showed plenty of people how that water table never stops and goes uh stay steady it it always continues to drop so
the longer you run it the less time you because it never recovers to the full what it was the day before every time you go it's down and down and down so I mean if we ran that thing continuously it'd be like the old days we ride water I mean we were down to
uh it was it was 1995 I remember cuz hit gr Hills was ready to get turned on I could only run the wells four hours I was scrambling running four hours and we would be like hitting the low level water levels and going down and then finally got hit rails going and that failed us out so but anyway so well
number two pumped 75 G I mean some home homeowner Wells pump pump more than that and uh well number four we just did the the new pump down we do 220 gallons a minute but uh the more pump the quick here onun out of water so so we have failing levels of p
and quantities are difficult to manage out of Lancaster app to have any consistency correct correct well number five which is the worst water quality of a Lancaster app is the best well is the best well that you can run continuously
it's got the worst 24 hours a day yeah and that that that's kind of where the engine is are you want to spend you know $17 million on treatment plant for pretty much one well right I see Kings
is slowly bumping up levels gradually increas I didn't mention the 2025 so yeah we're at uh so that one P4 was 5.95 so it's increasing levels of P4 correct exciting and then also on the not NE P pass but we did a uh cu the uh
pilot testing like keatings the the the filters that are removing the P pass are getting plugged up some things getting caught in the filters so we did a uh secondary contaminates that test all the basic normal ion manganese
uh calcium magnesium all all the basic stuff that naturally in water anyway and the engineers were concerned that something's out of line and everything seems seems right on a very Touch of iron and a touch of MNS not enough that
they felt that would impact the filters but they there there is a touch there nothing like in blank Rael or he but that one the issue with that one was a we a little PE fast at time but that one was just hot water so that's it so anyway so there
your PE peass update uh and they were working on getting the they're still finishing up or they finish the test at Kings they originally was the end of February okay and when I talked them about the filters pluging up they they thought maybe they would try a different
media so might go a little longer they'll see yeah they might go longer so where we headed I mean I know but well we got we're still waiting on filtration where we're headed oh filtration where well I I didn't get a call I called town
and water and to discuss with them about uh purchasing a water what's what's the maximum that they would allow to be sold to lunenberg and uh you know at what rate and uh he I talked to the chairman of the board over there and he
he said he was going to call me see if I could get on the agenda which was for last night and I never heard back so I don't I don't think get on the agenda but uh it's in the works that to get a ballpack idea what what it's going to cost to purchase water uh I've done this in the past
what's it going to cost to treat it and get our own be self-sufficient yeah right right yeah well we have to connect yeah we'd have to put Maine in connect the towns and then we're at the mercy of what they're going to charge us and and we're at the mercy of what the increases
would be that would be out of our control well the increases are going to be what it's going to cost them to treat it I mean you know that's right but we looked when we looked at Kings and developing Kings I remember looking at the cost of purchasing water elsewhere and and that made it a no-brainer to
develop keatings as a water source yeah and then of course you know this is all pre prast so let's say even if you looked at you could buy water touch cheaper than you could build the treatment plant all right that well you build a treat PL you're only paying for
that for your ter your loan then after that you're on your own you so you're in your own control in the future we're not we're not in control for purchasing water I always say when we look at these things look at in a 20 year math qu you know what I'm saying in 20 years we can buy it at this and Gess it's going to go
up to this we can build an old treatment plant and at the end of 20 years this treatment is play being played off and we're not paying anything for our own water at that point right other than you know uh operational operational cost but right no I think I think the treatment
plan I mean I'm I'm really not big deal big in favor of buying water from somebody else by all means but it's an exercise it's an exercise that kind of needs to be done so that people understand that what the what what we're looking at for
future cost it's a good idea just to yeah we got to do it have that statistic available like this is one option we can do and see where it goes is what is going to cost you for water you could buy build a treatment plant 20 years that's kind of yeah so on uh on
treatment plants so the uh the last srf uh for funding came out uh only 11 new projects were picked for most of them past water
treatment plants Pump Station upgrades uh route well Rehabilitation uh so there's only 11 new projects and it's $200 million for those projects uh so how many applic do we rough I'm assuming I think it was over
30 or 30 or 40 majority uh yeah 200 million you said uh yep 198 million yep so so the thing that to look at here though is that's that's not all their money that that's all they gave that's all they
gave yeah so 100 million goes to pass projects so you remember how we we went to the Hickory Hills well and they said okay and then because they only fund $15 million that's all they going to give you per year that's why they said you you should just reapply for the next year so you can get on the funding for
next year cuz we weren't all getting it all in the first year so that's what most of this money not most 100 million of it went to Prior projects I thought over 200 like 180 190 oh y I read the wrong line uh 184
yeah million most of it went to to to last year's prob it was only 198 given no three almost 350 350 million was allocated for srf funding 198 was uh well that was the I'm
sorry that that was what the project cost that was what they applied for so they they actually got 103 million that's what the that's what they gave understood so I was reading the wrong $189 Million worth of projects and they gave $13 million correct maximum amount
they gave in any one year was 15 million okay so then then if you look at the uh the carryover projects a lot of them massive massive yeah one of them is 213 million uh a lot of them 35 45 55 213 million so
they they only get that 16 million again to on the carrier Bo so they're never going to get more so that that goes back to why we we app y it's tough cuz reading through this I it maybe it's just clear because we've gone through the process a little more
but to me some of the pages reading through it was was easier than what we were kind of being told when we first went into this you know we were kind of being told well yeah this is what you want 30 million but you get this and then reapply next year and I think where
they weren't so black and white telling us this we were kind of it was a little confusing so it was confusing to us so then to portray that to our residents was a little confusing to them like there's no guarantees well this now is is the next year into it and this is
proof you appli for this project they're not going to go yeah here's your $50 million project but you only get 15 invested in you each year the more and more money is going to go towards projects that are already going than new projects these were projects that had
funds over the 15 million are they committed to and then so they gave back to them and so a lot of the monies awarded this year was to projects that started last year and they already got approv the money last year and they're
just approving them forward to continue the project into this year and that's what he's saying is even after those project a lot of these projects still need Millions more so the people who were approved at the very beginning car over are getting the carry
over because they got that guarantee new projects are going to go lower and lower lower on the list so the total project cost for the ones I was just reading was $852 Million that's how much they're already but the treat plants were already
approved so the the carryover is going to keep keep going and what was the total that they did last year 350 million I add so the OD no no on the very first page I think it says it so basically the odds of getting of loans are lower and lower every year the
more we wait right I actually I wasn't care what was I forget what the year before was so it was 11 new projects this year last year it's not going to be at 0% it's not going to be any principal foress that's why if we' to hit this right the first time with that 17 million would and high he hit it right
yeah well I'm saying we did hit it right and now uh good uh I got one more thing okay and it's a a bill from a res on massav uh in regards to the water line
installation y uh one of one of the resident JB Turf uh we got a bill from him to repair the sprinkle lines that would damage when the water line went by his property mhm uh I I I talked to him and he's just questioning if you know is
it something we're going to going to pay it's only $441 uh yeah $441 62 and it was to repair the The Wanted sprinkler pipes and stuff and I'm like why I said we could have easily fixed it ourself and
uh I said you know I'm kind of questioned if we're going to send you a bill because he had a 4 in drain pipe tied into the catch Basin that we didn't know was there we ripped it out but we we repaired it and so I mean easily could we could swap you know the cost of us pay the crew to fix who fixed the
drain I mean the he fixed it himself but I mean it was just plastic pipe which is like 25 cents yeah you know 50 cents and probably did he did he tell you he was fixing it himself no I didn't I didn't know I didn't know he was doing it no he just sent the email with the bill and said when did you talk to him last I was
kind of curious this recently or last week oh I told me had a meeting and i' bring it up okay I mean I like I'd like to always know if if damage was done I mean we we could have fixed that well I yeah and to me the intent was to fix it after we
were complete right you know and it was in the right way it was on the state road that's that was my question does he have a right to even have it there if people want to put stuff there then they run the risk because it's within the it's within the RightWay which we have access to they run the risk of it
getting damaged for example his neighbor had to move all his trees because they were in the right exactly so I mean so if if that if that didn't happen then we we were within our right to just remove those trees for him and we didn't have to you know do what we did so you know I
he he knew we were digging by he he didn't like Mock and say he I got sprinkle lines here and or dig them up and say let me move out the weight he so he's got a Sprinkle line to he's got a lawn down there in the back yeah no the lawn runs all the way out to the front and and then he's watering out within
the state right away so you know um if he worked with us we would have been able to fix that so I'm I don't know um I mean I can chime in you can chime in I'm I'm gonna kind
of because I I probably have other opinions that probably impartial I my answer is just blatantly no because while if someone places that stuff within a state right away that stay right away is there for us and many
other utilities is you know if you put it in there it's almost like at your own risk type of thing um if you know if I'm digging through there that that thing has been Dig Safe and marked to everything in the world utility all of a sudden there's a sprinkler line there you know you know we not going to do it
intentionally or anything like that but that's not really what we're looking for and it's not part of like the structure that should be out there now if you want to take the risk and put it there like I mean go ahead but like I don't view as us as feeling uh fiscally responsible to repair something like that now by all
means if we're out there working we're going to work with anybody to put stuff back together but I don't view that as as a uh like a like a structural type of damage for example let's just say someone had a stone wall in that state right away it's not it's not something we
wouldn't hire Stone Mason to go back there and fix it like it should you know it's the same you can go down anything so that's kind of where I mean I'm not actually a similar thing kind of happened I remember us walking in and there was a woman who had um a magnolia tree yeah close to it and we spoke with
her and said what what would you like and she dug it up and she moved it because she wanted to save it so I I yeah I agree with that my my question the drain line that was installed into the town drainage system there was that
approved by DPW uh well that would be the state and I very unlikely okay so I mean he kind of got a Bonus there we fixed we fixed a drain that isn't supposed to be there um we would have fixed the irrigation had he given us the opportunity to do so
yeah we're going back in the spring we're going to Lan seed so yeah that's yeah we' fix it so okay that's all I got so evidently that's a
no well was a woody said unless unless you guys want to vote on it or something no I agree with you Woody I'm not trying to be uh you know like course about it or anything like that but it's just no I'm definitely not I'm definitely not going to pay for
it conversation would have been first hey guys this is what happen I want to have someone come out and fix it conversation could have been had before he paid I don't know you guys want to fix it or fix have been like you're fix were there multiple
days multiple opportunity for for somebody to say hey this happened you know give us an opportunity to repair it most of the time we could we have the resources to do it correctly um yeah right you
know um okay I got a little something uh oh uh I don't want to open up a huge can of worms just a small one just a small one um that's how they start I'm just curious on hydrant fees how they work
what do we do on replacing current hydrants and you know I'm driving around and I'm seeing a bunch of them where you know you I can barely FP my hand between where the the 4in outlet comes out and the ground and I'm I'm just curious how
that goes and how we how we treat that uh yeah typically we we just cut the grass and plow snow paint them fix them uh so unless it unless there's one that is damaged we don't slate something
for replacement that is either obviously getting lower in grade yeah uh well the way things go is typically people change their landscaping and and kind of you know fill them in I mean unless they could drive I mean that was that was fine they kept filling it in eventually you
couldn't even see the the 4in line the 4in steamer on it so that one broke so we ended up replacing it but I mean we could we could replace more them I think as time goes on which that the old R wood brand hydrants we we can't get pots
for those anymore so when when we replace take one out to replace we we scavenge all the pots that that are good with it and reuse them so I think we're going to going to be uh replacing much more okay the hydrant fee we we we used
to have a set fee per hydrant and I remember we the old the old pie cheve we would say okay we got all these we just added these five so that feet would would change and and uh pretty pretty frequently uh and
then uh was a long time ago probably 20 years ago I know Donny gills was the superintendent we went to a flat then we went to a flat fee and it was mostly for Budget things uh so part of the hyr isn't just a fee we exchang the dispatching so that's a part of the the
fees so we got the hydrant fees and we take off the distri just kind of mutual world okay so obviously everything you know dispatching increases obviously but hydrants in the need to replace an upgrade um some of them because the idea
is a hydrant functioning you know that's the whole the whole idea so if you start getting them that are getting lower and lower lower to grade then you're talking about something that could impede fire protection and use so if we needed to look at some type of a
replacement schedule ual then we might need to consider looking at our hydrant fees and seeing so that we make sure that we cover cover that I'm just looking at from a functional standpoint I'm seeing a lot of them they're and some of them are are so stuffed into
Banking and so forth that the you know the accessibility less than ideal I see one on the end of chest street it's in the guy's yard next to his driveway about this much of it sticking out of the ground yeah that those are the ones and then and and
you know it should we be looking at possible replacement for some of those so well if they if the who who keeps bringing the the the soil up the homeowner who knows right know I mean if it's built up would it be cheaper to go in there and dig it back
down who really knows in some instances it's you know you look at where sidewalks were installed where they didn't have sidewalks before in spots there's different reasons that the grade changes on the hydrant I'm sure I mean I guess the my approach to this would be like there's a million reasons of why it got that way I don't really care right
but we I want to be like the hydr serviceable and I mean do we need to do a hydrant survey I don't you know that's right I'm just I'm just I'm just bringing just the hydrant just bringing up cuz driving around this is the time of year that you start to notice yeah
just to replace the hydrant you put extensions on 2500 yes not not the old ones the new ones you can put an extension on so you're looking at like 2500 and like a half day yeah so I would say to put in a height 3500 bucks so maybe at some point we consider like
sure doing some sort of evaluation what needs to be what ones could be replaced I don't know where you got that but I bought a Hy back it was five grand but the H just five I guess you know maybe you're right
it's actually a pretty good point do we need to just do a a somewhat of a sanitary Serv of what we have and then be like you know what maybe on next year's budget or part of some just so we can start to look at Future so when when we flush hydrants each hydrant they
document sure so I they don't specifically look at you know how high the steam is off the ground so but we can add that sure I mean they'll usually say you know the bolts all rusted we need to replace it it's very hard to operate let take itre it so we do we do make notes on it so I can add that hey
do we do we need to a great idea you know and then and and the hydrant fee is $133,000 so I mean it's it's very cheap I think and it went down right so we may need to consider revamping the hydrant fee in order to have some sort of replacement in in
place and um didn't we have a battle with that before Oh Yeah well yeah so we're going to obviously we're going to have to see but we we have to they have to be functionable yeah you know so you don't want to delay when you want to hook up to the thing hook up yeah so uh
along with that I'd like to thank the public cuz driving around seeing people in the public and that have hydrants in front of their homes are shoveling and cleaning around them and and uh that that helps us uh helps us at the district and also helps the fire
department so I I agree I'm amazed at how many people a lot of people sh really good yeah so that's all I got I make a motion we adour easy I didn't
giv it back to you there a couple of public comment yeah yeah that too I got it uh I got a little something uh last Tuesday Fran myself and Chrissy met over
at the Hickory Hills uh wellsite um with a couple of the residents and their lawyers was there too you uh we had a very felt very productive conversation basically it has been brought to our attention the the uh D private citizens Etc that there are some violations over
there in that zone one uh mainly being uh there's a couple main points one would have been the first one was the kayak racks are in the 400t circle which we have had surveyed correct correct that those would need to be
moved Andor if uh they could have appeal to D to leave them there that was an option too if that's what they wanted to do um the second one was uh you know no motorized vehicles of any sort in that zone one and they will look into
possibly putting a sign or something over there to try to you know uh facilitate that a little bit better than it has been um another big one was access for us to access the property you know at all times that problem seems to have worked itself out um however we did
just you know make a point of it and you know they were 100% agreeing so that shouldn't be an issue the other uh just minor one two was there is one residence that may kind of encroaches a little bit in that 400 foot Zone that we just want to ensure that no inappropriate chemicals were being used uh fertilizers
Etc so we just had a verbal conversation with them it was very supportive and you know it went very well I asked that by May 1st that these uh mainly the kayak rack Etc be addressed um so we will push
that you know we just kind of see how that goes and hopefully these issues take care of itself and everybody will be in compliance over there in the zone one okay yeah that went well good thank you for taking that on
welcome you I do not do you have any public comment now's your time oh I don't have any either no no no make motion make motion I make a motion
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