all right good afternoon today is March 12th 2005 this is the lunberg water district commissioner meeting let us start with the pledge of allegiance aliance to the flag of the United States of America to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God
indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right right I will uh float some uh minutes your away gentlemen we got any pens or anything got nothing H we go look at that that's the
pen box oh glasses glasses pens little Clips everything one you unwrap and eat again grab one of those over there sorry go ahead only thing that can't is this one because it's two months worth that's all
[Music] Corin the one that know no he said they weren't home I just the water off they did yeah but Terry took a video of it just in case when's
29 March in three three weeks I'll be you okay well yeah you better because it's because you're up details it never falls on Cog so is the last
Saturday beautiful weather we're having Jordan's feet [Music] I need follow up on that uh butterfly line um a phone conversation I did send an email M phone conversation um so we
did send the meter to Tha sales I was hoping to have that report today I talked to him and he said unfortunately he didn't um so hopefully by next meeting I'll have that report um she did speak with me for a little bit and said that she would like to have the test done independently not
someone that we hired and I said that's fine um when I get it back I'll let you know um she did say that she is looking into legal counsel um so I said okay just please respond to my email and let
me know what you decide um so that we can move forward I haven't heard any of is that the woman with the me problem yeah yeah yeah lat chair I'd make a motion and we accept the minutes of February 22nd 2025 all those in favor
by all right wonderful uh commissioner superintendent cler treasure additions okay uh two things one one I got a a proposal from tower engineering professionals to put that uh thing on top of the water tank for to mount
antennas and uh saor equipment the quote came in at $10,500 so it's pretty expensive I think it's something we probably should do uh can't vote on it because it wasn't on the agenda but if you guys are up for we'll put it on the agenda for the next meeting and now we're doing that for
somebody who wants to get on the Tower or it's we can add more people if if we put that on I think it it basically makes it easier for any carrier just to click like you know it's like a a rack you might say for these guys just to mount their stuff on and then when they leave
they can take it off there's not like um sometimes we worry about welding the tank and all that like this thing is here Y and It Bolts right to the center column so it's just going to bolt on there actual Mando door you can walk out off to the tank with have we had anybody
that's interested in getting on that tank uh I spoke to AT&T and uh they they reviewing it uh most of my speaking with AT&T was cuz was trying to do that car on The Chase Road tank so I was trying to finagle with them if I could get them
to put it up and uh see maybe we can make a deal had I'm looking at the Sunny Hill tank so we'll see if something comes with it but there's only only Verizon On the Sunny Hill tank so it's a it's a good spot for for someone so i' you know if we did a proposal for that
maybe but uh I think this is a you know good thing no matter what it gives us the opportunity to do it so do we move the the current carrier onto this or how many carriers can go on this structure um that would be part of their engineering they would decide you know
the strength how how high you could go they'll figure all that out but we'll put will all will this take any equipment we have currently on the tank off and put on this structure that that would be my goal you know if if we build the thing for two carriers cuz the the C people they're upgrading all the time
and if we say okay your next upgrade you need to move your stuff to that location they're going to gain 20 20 ft in elevation so I'm sure they'll be all all for it and then even our antennas can all move up to to the highest so we go into one our antennas plus two carriers
or our aners our our antennas like this will be four our antennas for a carrier are we adding room for another carrier the goal is two two c carriers in our antennas very top so we're going to spend 10 grand to put a thing on the top
10 grand just design it huh Tang is just a design it okay what do we take in from Verizon currently on an annual basis about 50,000 a year it's Verizon I think is just over three a
month 300 4,000 yeah so I mean we're we use the cellular to generate money to maintain the tanks if this makes it easier to maintain the tanks and less intrusive having to cell on the tanks
then we're generating money and we're just going to use those revenues to make it a better for us everybody yeah and this eliminates the need for them to have to take their equipment off we we have to paint it right this goes around it so correct all right let me finish
what I was going to say okay s we're going to spend at least $115,000 to put this thing up there whatever it's going to be y and we're going to take the antennas that are already on the tank and put it on this thing that we're going to put up there so if we get any more antennas we
got to put them back on the tank or is this thing going to take extra antennas it'll take two two carriers how many's up there now just one one all right so we can only put we're going to spend 15 grand to put one more carrier up there well we're going to spend 10 grand just
to just engineer I'm guessing another if it's 10 grand in engineering I can't imagine what it costs to the engineering is always three times more than it's supposed to we all know that I think this might be a little pricey to put up just I'm going to get 75 just to put that how much
75,000 I'm not if we could put five more antennas on it maybe but unless they want to drop their engineering way down can we can we make some of if we do the engineering can we make it a requirement of somebody to stay on a tower to that
they have to put forth something into this structure well yes that that's typically how I I try to get fangle this stuff is let's say we go out we engineer the thing okay uh AT&T to say well I want to go there all right you need to build this and we make that part of the
deal right look personally I I think uh I mean even if we spent the money out of our own pocket I view this is something like it's it's like a it's advertising like hey all these carriers we have this spot for you that is ready to go um that eliminates all the other
problems of taking stuff on and off and like you put your stuff up there it you know it's I believe it's a sales pitch and these things generate US money sure I'd like to work that into some sort of lease but I think it's a I think it's a good idea if we could get a 15 or 20
year lease out of them what are the leases typically run three years 20 they really yeah so they they do multi-year and where they're renewing we can maybe try to work some of this the the build part of it into it if we're ready to go
then it gives us a better negotiating tool well if we could get a company two two of them up there for 20 years at 50,000 a year I would say that was be a good deal but to go up there and spend 75,000 and have one carrier on it and
maybe another one coming uh so do do you want we we can just hold this and and wait see if carrier comes on and then we say okay then we got to do we can do that what's the timeline for engineering for this like if you if you had someone if AT&T
came back and said yeah we want to we're thinking of going on there this is this tank is is fairly new so you all the records are there for how thick the metals are that was made Chase Road was more difficult because we couldn't get the tank information that
detail didn't we just was this the tank that we just put an rfpl for and didn't go nothing better that was Chase okay that's a better site yeah that's probably a more desirable site so so what you want to just hold off and wait till we find a c when are we when are we
renewing with Verizon uh I think we had two more years I I had already spoke to them they wanted to do it and when I talked to the attorneys like that was too early and we want to wait I mean it's it's two years how long does this price hold I'm sure it'll go up in a
couple years but it shouldn't be nothing I think it's something that when we start negotiating we can I think before we're up if we start talking to them and saying this is what we're thinking of doing um because we are talking about
possibly maintaining that tank shortly according to I mean that that Tank's going to be due for a paint job uh the inside is doing pretty good I mean what about the outside they usually say the last thing the last inspection was uh just uh over
coat uh like a primer not a primer a uh seal coat and when they do a seal coat on on the outside do they have to remove the solar equipment to do so uh that they'll probably have it turned off because they want I just know
if we can if we can if we can match this up with some other type of project then it makes it moreable cuz I I spoke to at& team not long ago they they were talking to the engineering people so why don't we just hold put on hold Su 18 TNT says if they want to go up there there
we go you know and they even talked about the Chase Road tank and uh I said is this something I could get you guys to put up and they said if you would consider waving the monthly rental fees for a certain period of time then they would be interested I'm like so would I
that's idea yeah I got a quote on that one that one's a little extreme that was 68,000 for that one for engineering no to build this oh yeah we that one's already engineered yeah yeah so that one to build so that one G kind of scared me
a little bit so that one I'm going to wait until we have the tank inspected we'll see how the interior is going and if it's a case of where we need to do the maintenance inside outside that's when we put the the cor now that's installed in everything designed
and installed is just yeah installed it's already designed we already did that that it's already designed for Chase this would be for the how tall is it just kind of curious jro 87. no this U oh this thing uh uh he he would go by
how many carries are so probably 20 ft yeah I mean it's you don't just throw it up there oh yeah yeah it's big and heavy it's got a door in it yeah yeah it's pretty all right we'll put that in hole okay so the only other thing I got is uh
you know we were trying to put those placement walls in behind wall number two and uh Mass TP wasn't giving us the water that we wanted to get out of it they were cutting us like in half and it was like 140 gallons a minut so it's not even worth really doing much to it for
that amount uh I guess there was a whole big DP discussion over this thing and they they increased the pump rate to 291 gallons a minute for the maximum pump rate uh so that that that's not a bad flow rate but the bad part is when we
did the pump test it took uh like a month later and it still never recovered so it's back to what I always say about you know yeah you got your little Acer but how many straws can you put in it so and this was with when we ran that pump T none of the Wells on L cast are ever
running every was off the whole system was run off the heatings so it's just something to make aware that we do we do have a new source it's improve it's permitted and uh also I just want to make note that this was our own land and it took us like 10 years to get this
thing approved so so there was all buy we could go in and test it whenever we wanted to and uh it took many many days well you you talk about 291 gallons a minute that's what it'll pump but how long would it that's what they would permit it for how long could it
realistically sustain that is what you're saying that it might not it's not going to recover right right that that's the problem with all those wells in that area they they they all can they all could pump good significant amount you pump it down to here and then it then it recovers but then you pump it down and
it doesn't recover as much and then it your recovery keeps dropping and you guys are welcome and I've showed residents on on the ska I've showed people like I see the concern you could see every when you run the well let's say I'm going to make up numbers let's say the water table's at 20 ft you ran the well for 12 hours the water table
dropped when it was running down to say 5T Y and then it shuts off and it sat for 12 hours it did not come back to the came back to 18 then you run it again it came back constantly reducing what your output is so when the old days when we
ran those Wells consistently we were we were hurting I mean we were down to the point where I could run uh Wells one in uh four for four hours that was it so it was getting tough so anyway so that was my point that you know we got a permit for a new well you know we do our new treatment
plants I'm sure we can do something with that but uh you know just so people know it it's it's it's going to be nice but it's not going to solve op problem and what do you mean a new well well we can we can upgrade the number two is not
running right now you mean an upgrade or a new well the same new well a new well in in Lake ass rap well number two is number two well I mean that's what I that's what I assume but when you said a new well I mean I don't know if you had another spot
somewhere you were thinking about or or what's going behind behind wall number two it's a it's a Well field it's three small Wells that have a slower production so you're going to still have the same cup John and then just going to put a bigger straw in it that's all we suck it down fast and it's going exactly so along
with that conversation I was thinking that we're what I'm seeing a lot in the news is we are in severe drought critical drought critical drought and we haven't even started the spring yet so have you heard anything from D or what
is your anticip of restrictions uh there'll be no outside watering uh I think hand watering with a by hand only like one day a week it's going to be very restrictive that's good I like that and
but we'll see we'll see it come me we we did get some decent amount of snow they have like monthly uh meetings with all the organizations all the the river people and mass D and they they all get together come of the plan they they they
might pick regions that have Mark you did ask too about those fines and we did Implement those in the rules and Rags we did yeah and then where is d going to be if we're still pumping the same amount of water and not enforcing restrictions are they going to come down on us we we
will have to enforce okay that that's usually part of the re the why when we do the Restriction when this thing comes out and uh when it hits the AIL we need to do something I actually need to fill out a form and in there says
who's going to enforce it how are we going to enforce it and uh what's the penalties going to be do you know we have that we did yeah should have grabbed it it was like you know first one was the warning yeah second was 100
Third was 100 I forget what it is but I just um I think it needs to go up thinking about that we just did it last year yeah I remember now ail putting a post together once maybe come April when we find out from um D
we'll see where we're at and maybe we'll draft a um post um a letter to send out to everybody something say a post and maybe a postard critical drought you know this
who's responsible at that point the water taker so you know no secret I do sprinkle system so when I go turn somebody's system on who's who's respon is do I have any liability to that or is it the pretty much the water taker that has to believe it's the taker they they
are responsible it's the water taker yep just like what we had last week here yes last meeting I just want responsibity I want to make that clear I don't want anybody saying wow my irrigation guys said it was
okay so I see where you're going there that's all um so on kind of on meters uh we actually just had the call today she just told me about it uh guy with huge water bill and the guy just went and
logged it and uh he had a hotside faucet running since de it must have been under the snow or ice Terry said cuz it was kind of like hidden and he took a picture of it um since December we datal logged it he didn't see that water
running on top of the ground eventually underneath the snow I mean get it 900 gallons day no cubic feet a day so so yeah got a message into that person so stuff can happen oh yes yep
but it is getting nice and that is something that we should let residents be aware of that a lot of these new radios we can data log down to the hour you turn your sprinkler on at 2 a.m. thinking nobody knows I can see that on
my report so so don't put one of those on my hopefully we get a bunch of water and the water around and people are running the faucet nonstop and we have good Revenue year you know but well you know we'll see yeah
cuz if we're using less water would have we're generating less Revenue it's going to affect our budget absolutely so we have to keep it keep that in mind yeah because we know how budgets are going around and uh yeah what's the D going to
do about people pumping water out of um Lakes lakes rivers Brooks stagnant sources I actually our our new permit which we just received uh I need to send a letter to the town to request them
that uh private Wells also follow the water restrictions so when there's a water restriction that like for us that you can only water one day a week that should also apply to the private Wells private Wells we can enforce I just have to ask them
to do it and then if they decide to enforce it it's probably have to be like a town bylaw or something that would be a Bo of health or Board of Health Board of Health is in charge so they they would they would have to why a town then if the Board of Health is in charge because Bo Health would be in charge of
your your well like you just you put a new well in in your house they need to test it and bl that's there but if you're overusing it so then why would the town need to be involved if it falls under the Board of Health why wouldn't the Board of Health just regul town so I would so I would send the actual letter requesting this to town the town manager
and the boorder as no you're right that's is kind of like cuz that's aoba Valley Board of Health not right you know right I that's outside of our responsibilties yes no that's for sure you do whatever you got to do what I got to do that and also part of that permit was we need to uh send out uh requests
for information on who has irrigation systems they want us to know everybody that has one so so I don't know if we could put it part of our building progam irrigation it's everything's getting so difficult yeah there's new legislation to regulate um I don't know if it's
going to come through yet it's just in the beginning stages to uh make irrigation contractors certified and I think part of it is probably going to go on having system audits done so that people aren't
wasting water and it goes along with the part of the same thing is um soil new construction soil uh requirements and testing so when you put in a new development they're going to require probably soil testing and depth because
soil depth and and um Quality has a direct reflect on how much water you use so they're going to use it as a water conservation thing still in its infancy there's no laws yet but there is legislation out there for it
so green grass is a huge thing and mean it it's ch in the last 10 years it's it's really changed on there the amount of demand for the sun I'm glad I'm glad I'm not just starting being a landscaper I'm glad I'm getting close to the end because the regulations are going to come down pretty hard seems like for
everything everything you do with this R tape well it's it's never it's so as far as from an irrigation standpoint to State you know you have all sorts of Licensing for plum every almost everything in any kind of a trade has some sort of a license Andor
some sort of check and balance for making sure that the work that was done was done properly and and it's coming yeah it's to make you pay to take classes yeah oh yeah every two years continuing it stuff it's it's just a scam of B Money yeah Massachusetts well
you do have the people out there that aren't doing it right you have the people that are out there trying to do do the best job for what what people are paying so all I got I got nothing the only tag I have is a compliment with all the
financial stuff going on in town I wanted to compliment the clerk Treasurer and the superintendent for putting together our budget on an annual basis presenting it to us making recommendations to us and making it easy for us to work as a
board uh to to easily e accept modify and and do our budget on any annual basis I second so I just wanted to say that I I'm with seeing everything that's out there I am I I wanted to compliment them
it's in my tenure here it has been uh very a fairly smooth process on an annual basis and that's to commend them for doing their jobs I so you you brought the thing we have zooms I have
another Zoom tomorrow it's called waterw worth and there I'm not usually into spending money on people doing stuff for us like monitoring water rates and stuff but this one's pretty good you put in your your debt service your
Revenue uh then you put in your water rates and it's all graphs and you can see like you got a bond you got a project past treatment plan coming in you can see this line you can see your Revenue you can see that this this isn't going to make it so what are we going to do so then you can you plug in different
water rates and say hey we want to increase it 7% these years so you can see revenue is increased and then you try to cover that line so it it looked like something that to me I could throw it computer in front of you and you guys could say hey I don't like this and it
wouldn't be my and then for me or us or anybody it would be all just facts information in there and you could see the stuff like the one they showed me I can't remember which town it was they had a project coming out it was a $3 million project and uh they didn't like
like how the rates were going to have to increase to cover that project so they moved that project but they said okay let's move that project out three more years they did and then they did the inflation cost so that 3 million pro project now was 4 point whatever 4.2 so
you could see it though because it had all the factors are in there what what's it today and what's it going to be in three 5 10 whatever you decide to do that thing then you can see what's going to happen by graphs and your rates and it was to me I'm like this is pretty good because you delay like we delayed
the project Mass app and look look what the cost is and then you know the the treatment plant for H rails and line cter r we delayed that you know a couple years well you that's going to cost you and and and what what it is but so this
thing was nice it would show you and that's a that's a that's is it something we'd have to purchase or it's a yearly subscription yep so the price she gave wasn't a definite number but it was I think 5 to 7,000 a year so it's it's
pretty expensive but we can we can I mean I think for what we are looking at in our future I think it's a a really good tool to do exactly what you said doesn't mean we have to keep doing it doesn't mean we have to sign up for
tomorrow until we start to realize but if it's if it's I think it's a it would be a great tool to show I think like we talked about earlier there's going to be things that are going to be coming up that we need to forecast costs in in the exactly and I think it's going to make
it not only like you said easier for you guys to see but our residents to see so that if you had that project you know same massav here's 3 million and we knew we were doing that next year or you know five years down the road whatever it is if you took that and said all right
let's raise the rates by 2% each year MH not here we are okay we have this project right right the rates you know so I think this will be a beneficial thing for um for the residents to be able to to see so I have a zoom tomorrow
just learning about it so we see how it goes uh they it usually just me but they asked for her to be TI it's funny CU he he says you got to join you got to see what this is and I said normally he's the one that's like I don't like spending money no no way and he said no yeah let's see what we can find know and
and see what it does and then yeah we can put a value to it once we do this next Zoom we'll see what we feel about it yeah and then uh I don't know if they would do a presentation here or if it be a case where we just throw a computer on the
table and you can you know follow them and yeah can do a zoom with it and we could do it whatever but I mean nothing final but I I I kind of I kind of liked it you know so see what you guys think well we've got a lot of potential big expenses coming up so no it be it be
nice cuz then some help with I mean you you've done a great job mathematically in helping us try to determine what the what what they could do to rates yeah and if we had something another tool tool that would would
formulate that so that's good I got nothing else no I definitely just would like to tap on Mark's comment on the the finances because you spot on 100% even since I've been here it's always been and uh Mark Mueller I think
does a great job it's all it's it's very black and white numbers and uh you're right I think we I think everybody here does a good job of balancing what we have and keeping people employed and keeping the system in upgraded as much as we can I think we do a a lot with a
little and I think it's I think I think we're doing good it's good to be part of it hopefully it will be that's why you're rerunning yeah yeah that's why you're running again bless you John moderator anybody going to run no papers
were submitted to the town it's a tough job so we still have our current moderator for this correct but we're going to we have a year we got to find or before we have another someone maybe write them in someone in
to write in for this one if up for it so anybody out there wants to run let us know when yep so Saturday March 29th 8 to 10 is voting 10 o' is the meeting and did anybody wind up going to the
caucus or should I be talking about that no I I heard Scuttle on it but that's yeah Town yeah that's different different different avenue we're going to talk about the good water department what we have well I just didn't want a whole story about I just want to know if anybody will we could we can now that we
can discuss discuss after problem nothing to do with water we talk about that after so John you're up I'm up for what you got anything nothing I make a motion we adjourn easy easy well everybody
said clerk treasure are we good are we go over typed up this are we good with the anybody do we have to vote on it no I reviewed it I thought it I thought it was if you want okay if you want to make changes just send me the
changes I got to put the books together probably next week oh no well I think that's sorry I did all this work on the only little thing I have is I'm working with um pixelated Tech finally getting us switched over to the doov
emails okay yes with all them coming in with our updating our security and our cyber and everything us being on the verizon.net email that we currently have lunad verizon.net needs to be updated so we
got approved as a government entity he's working on he's actually coming tomorrow to start implementing the emails and um so we will keep word out to the residents as we transition we're not going to get rid of the the ones that we
have now until everything kind of is this going to allow us to break it down to where we have because I mean I know I use my personal email all the time so that was I guess a question so we he wanted everybody to have one so he wants each employee here to have
one I can check to have one for each of you as well but I believe I'll have to see what that is cuz we pay per email per because he's including the Microsoft 365 with all of this like we've got per user implemented on the computer like
mine Christy at Lun lunberg water.gov that package is with my 365 and everything like that so let me find out about that that's where you put all the doc all your doc all the documents would be into 365 correct so you get
like a Google doc type thing yeah so just for just an for commission for for commissioner purposes I know the selectman they all have their accounts that they have all of the public the the government documents for the town in but
then you guys have your then we we we don't yeah so again I'm using my personal email my personal Google Google doc account for stuff that I want to store in or keep okay where check with pixel 8 and see but you know just I
think it' be good if these guys could from a from a standpoint he's com tomorrow morning keeping our person AB water district business separate yep um all right I'll talk to them tomorrow they're going to be here around 10: to start getting some of our computers updated so you'll have to if John gets
an email though you're going to have to have ited to your account so you can tell John you got an email don't even bother don't even bother just print it out yeah yeah you get the print outs no the uh the commissioner report I thought I'm sorry we should actually go into this cuz I thought it was well written the fact that has touched on
everything's from our projects to our staff to pest to the tanks it was very well laid out what has happened over the year and everything we're doing to you know maintain the job that we do it is actually quite a bit of
work good job that's it that's it public comment now now John no now joh well I oh you already tried yeah I would make a motion that we adjourn second that is that all right Bo yes
fantastic a