your leadership. And God, I pray for all the city employees. I pray for the city manager and all the employees that work so hard every day to keep the city running. God, pray that you bless them in a mighty way. And God,
we ask your blessings upon this meeting tonight. And we'll give you the honor and the glory. In Christ's name we pray. Amen. >> Amen. >> To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it
stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Chaplain. Thank you for that tonight, sir. All right. Good afternoon, good evening, everyone. Glad to see y'all with us.
First uh thing tonight, additions, deletions, modifications. I don't see any. City manager, are you aware of any? >> None from staff, sir. >> Um commission, do y'all have any? >> I have one. Um, I'd like to add a discussion and possible direction to the
staff, evaluate potential service consolidation, shared resources, and cooperative agreements with other government and government agencies. >> Make sure I got them right. So, uh, you want to recommend discussion of possible
collaborations. um >> evaluate basically you can put possible direction of staff to evaluate potential service consolidation >> possible consolidation service consolidations. Okay. >> All right. Any other additions or
deletions for tonight, city attorney? >> No, sir. That would just require a motion to >> No, understand. I'm just asking if there are any others. Before we go any further, I want to especially welcome uh Commissioner Judy Tinder back. Ma'am, great to have you back with us.
This this lady has battled heart surgery. She literally uh attended two city commission meetings from her hospital bed, literally in the hospital, and still continued to be with us, ma'am. Very glad to see you doing better and with us back.
>> Thank you so much. I have to um I hate to do it and start out with a complaint, but I got to tell you when you call in, you can't understand anything anybody's saying. So, I will be asking repeat questions tonight from the last meetings that I wondered what you were all talking about.
>> Well, we will have to do our best with the IT folks to try to get that fixed for future dialins. >> But welcome back. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Welcome home. Um, and with that, so we have Commissioner Warick's uh potential
uh modification to add. And where did you want to add that, Commissioner War? >> It doesn't matter to me. >> Uh, new business. >> New business. >> Okay. So, new business, say number a new number 12. >> Yeah, that'll work. >> Okay.
>> Uh, I would like to I think for the uh mission statement one, I think we should um I'm not opposed to it. Um, but I think we should pull it so that in case we want to modify anything more than just one word, maybe we want to talk about the entire mission statement while
we're here. Um, that's not to say that I'm against why it's there. Um, I'd have no problem with changing the wording. I'm just thinking maybe this could be a time that we maybe we want to look at all the wording and see if we want to modify it just a little bit here and there.
So, Commissioner uh Peeles, would you like to move that from the consent agenda to perhaps say new business number 13? Then >> works for me. >> Okay. Uh so number 13, mission statement
discussion. All right. Is this uh assuming this is amanable with the rest of the the commission here, can I get a motion and a second? >> Motion to approve. >> I have a motion. >> Second. >> I have a motion and a second. Um any
discussion from the public regarding this upfront consent agenda? We're going or we're actually on the uh additions, deletions, and modifications right now. We're going to take number seven, the
mission statement, and drop it down to number 13 under new business. Number 12 will be Commissioner Wart's request for service consolidations discussion. So, no other changes to the agenda. We have a motion and a second. Are there any
questions or concerns from the public? >> Hearing none, city manager, would you call the role? >> Commissioner Pero, >> yes. >> Commissioner Tender, >> yes. Commissioner Peebles, >> yes. >> Commissioner War, >> yes. Mayor Lowry, >> yes. So, we have 50. Thank y'all for that. All right. So, we're down to the
consent agenda, which is approval of our meeting minutes for 526 of 26. Approve uh to declare truck number 22 a surplus and authorized staff to auction off through govdeealss.com. and approved to declare assets 309 and
4523 a surplus and authorized staff to auction off to govdealss.com with number seven dropped down to number 13. So that's only if you're looking at our consent agenda it would be numbers four five and six. >> Mayor, >> if I may ask uh what exactly is the
asset 3901 and 4523? What assets are those? >> Yes, ma'am. >> City manager. >> Yes, ma'am. Asset 3901 um is a 2013 Ford Explorer and asset 4523 is a 2019 Ford Explorer. Both are
um police vehicles. >> Oh, okay. Okay. Thank you. >> Yes, ma'am. So, any uh any questions or concerns, discussion among the commission for these three items for the consent
agenda? Hearing none. Um, if not, may I have a motion and a second? >> Motion to approve. >> I'll second. >> I have a motion and a second. Any concerns or discussion from the public? >> Hearing none. City manager, would you
call the role? >> Commissioner Pero, >> yes. >> Commissioner Peebles, >> yes. >> Commissioner Warick, >> yes. >> Commissioner Tinder, >> yes. >> Mayor Lowry, >> yes. Thank y'all for that. 50. All right, we're on down to old business now. Number eight, final reading, excuse
me, final reading of ordinance 1187, Finch Small Scale, F LU MA, uh, partial number 10223-0-0. >> Yes, sir, mayor. Ordinance 1187, an ordinance providing for the adoption pursuant to chapter 163, Florida
statutes of a land use change from mobile home park to mixed use for an approximate 3.402 402 plus or minus acres of property located at 2011 West 14th Street, parcel number 10223-0000-0000 in the city of Linhaven, Bay County,
Florida, repealing all ordinances in conflict here with and providing an effective date. And this is just the final reading from two meetings ago for the land use change for the parcel behind Walgreens there. >> Yes, sir. >> All right. >> I'm sorry. I was looking at your face
and got totally sidetracked. [laughter] Uh property behind Walgreens. >> Yes, ma'am. >> And what did you say you wanted to go from into? >> He's going from mobile home uh park land use to a mixeduse land use.
>> So, businesses and little bit of everything. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Any other questions or discussion from the commission? If not, can I get a motion and a second to approve? >> Motion to approve. >> Second.
>> I got two motions and a second there. So, hey, I'm happy being double covered. Thank y'all for that. Um, we'll we'll give Miss Tinder credit for that. And uh I heard Commissioner Peele second there, CJ. Thank you, Commissioner Perno, for
for adding in as well. So, we have a motion and a second. Any concerns or discussion from the public this item hearing? None. City manager, would you call the role? >> Commissioner Tinder? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Peebles? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Pero?
>> Yes. >> Commissioner War? >> Yes. >> Mayor Lowry? >> Yes. Thank you'all for that. All right, we have no tabled items tonight. Now we're down to new business. We're moving right along at a nice clip tonight. Uh number nine, discussion and possible approval of the updated
non-discrimination assurance document and policy. Good evening, sir. >> Good evening, mayor, commissioners. um this um item, this non-discrimination policy and and documents
um was issued several years ago um since we applied for um a certification by DOT in order to receive um grant funds from DOT. So this is really housekeeping item. Um we've been updating some of the
points of contact um that are listed in the in these documents and you know every two to three years it's just a a good way to update these information and resubmit it to do so that we can maintain our um certification status
with them. >> Thank you for that sir. Any uh any questions or comments from the the commission? Done. >> No. Looked good to me. >> Basically administrative and housekeeping in nature. >> Yes, sir.
>> Uh, no issues or concerns? >> Not at all. >> All right. Um, so at this point, you're ready to ask the city commission for an approval? >> Yes. That would be uh one recommendation for me is to approve the presented
document or the the documents as presented. >> Okay. Obviously, >> make a motion. >> I have a motion. May I have a second? >> A second. >> Thank you. I have a motion and a second. Any concerns or discussion from the
public on item number uh nine tonight. This like uh like the ERRA uh director said, this is a or CRA, I'm sorry, said this is administrative and housekeeping in nature. Uh no issues or concerns.
Hearing none. City manager, would you call the role? >> Commissioner Tinder? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Peebles? >> Yes. Commissioner Perno, >> yes. >> Commissioner War, >> yes. >> Mayor Lowry, >> yes. Thank you all for that. [clears throat] >> All right, we're down to number 10. Discussion of potential updates to part
IA, chapter 42, parks and recreation of the uh city's code of ordinance. Commissioner Peeles. >> Thank you, Mayor. [clears throat] as we discussed a few meetings ago that gonna start going through the ordinances again and we talked about uh I think it was
staff that recommended we start with chapter 42. Um Amy Myers went through and made some corrections and uh which you should have in front of you and then I added some notes of my own which I believe were provided to you guys. Not pretty sure um
if so if you looked at those but I'll go ahead and go over them. I kind of just want to there's some like kind of updates that myself and Amy kind of saw that definitely need to happen just simply because a lot of our ordinances like we've discussed in the past are
very very old. Um I think some of them the most recent they've been updated is 1996 and though I'd like to believe that's not a long time ago. Uh, it was [laughter] uh I have vivid memories from 1996 and
that I don't like that. Um, all right. So, I'm I guess I'll just go down uh the list. I have my notes here in front of me. If we go to 42-2 there, it talks about the leisure department of leisure services. I do not
believe we technically have a department of leisure and services anymore. and that's been changed to the community services and split between community services and sports and wreck. >> Okay. So, basically we need to update that section to uh whatever department
we want to say there if it's split between the both or whatever. Um in section 42-3 it's talking about vehicles and parking. One thing that I this is something I've personally
noticed. This is talking about, you know, no overnight parking uh in area that's otherwise posted. You know, um no motorized vehicle shall be allowed in any portion of recreational facility other than designed roads or park. You
know, very very uh straightforward stuff that you'd have at any city. One thing I think we should add, at least for now, is that you cannot take up more than two parking spots at a sports facility. The
reason being is I get some vehicles like the the double like the the dualies trucks, it makes sense to take two parking spots cuz the truck's so wide, but there's been multiple instances like on softball and baseball days where people have a truck with a trailer and
take up like four or five parking spots. and we already deal with parking um issues over there already. And you have people like parking on our grass and the rideways and things like that. And um I do think we should probably enforce
that. Um so that's my suggestion for that one. >> How about um parking parking with the flow of traffic, not against it, too? because you'll find that sometimes people park in opposite directions when they're coming from another way to try
to get in. So, it needs to be consistent with our already existing ordinances, >> right? And again, this is more so um I agree with that and and I'll be honest with you, until I was an adult, I didn't know that that was a law in most places.
So that it's my opinion that when it comes to codes and ordinances, this is not this is it should be straightforward and um more so of a rule book that's understandable by both parties, code enforcement and the citizens. This is
more so that the citizens can go to the ordinances, be able to read it, and say, "Okay, I know what that means. That's what we're supposed to do." This isn't to add more rules to anybody. It's more to so to uh make it to where people can't inconvenience others just for the sake of them being lazy and not wanting
to take their trailer off and go home, things like that. You know what I'm saying? So, um 42-5. Um I don't know. This is a larger discussion that I don't know if we want to tackle it tonight. Maybe we'll tackle it in the future. This is the alcoholic
beverages um that you can't consume them in the park. I know that, you know, Mr. Scra has been a big advocate of allowing it in certain situations for events. So, I don't really want to put that in this ordinance right now because I feel like that's a much larger discussion on if we want to do that with, you know, not all
the time. I think the idea was his idea was uh in special events with special permits very specific to a certain amount of whatever. That's a discussion that should be had, but I don't think that we need to have that tonight because that's a an hourlong discussion
for a workshop maybe. So, we'll leave that one be for now. But Ryan, if you're listening, I I I hear you. And the others that want that for events, I hear you. This is not me saying that we're never going to talk about it. It's just we'll talk about it at a different time. Um, let's see. 42-8.
It's talking about public behavior. Is that the where the noise comes in with the radios and generators and >> Yeah. Well, well, yeah. And it's talking about Well, it's talking about um it's unlawful to incite or participate in riots, indulge in boisterous, abusive,
threatening incident or disorderly conduct or behavior in any city, park, or recreational facility. Any viol anyone in violation of this regulation may be forcibly ejected from the park or recreational facility or arrested and shall not be entitled to a refund of any
fee or rental. >> That sounds like a lot of pickup basketball games I've been in though. >> Yeah. Um, I would say that this I think Amy made a note. Basically, the reason I made a note for this is this is kind of redundant to something that's already in there and I sent a note to her that said
I think this should still be in there. I'd rather leave information like like this in our ordinances rather than take it away because I want it to be easier for the average citizen that maybe hasn't looked at ordinances before to be able to find what the rules are easier.
Okay. So, in 42-12, we're talking about uh hold on, I just lost my place. >> Jumping all Oh, audio devices. >> Yes. The radios and speakers. >> Mhm.
So, we got an email recently that talked about how when people were playing uh pickle ball over in the sport or the the sports complex that there were
people that I don't know if it was teenagers or adults, I have no idea, but they were pulling up in their vehicles and honking at them on purpose to disrupt their games. I don't know if we want to add something in there that is talks about intentionally um
>> disruption >> intentional disruptions of u sanctioned activities or something like that >> sporting events. >> Yeah, I don't know. That's that's just an idea. We don't have to put that in writing, but maybe that's something that can be written up in this ordinance that we can review later.
>> Yeah, I would definitely say to leave like the generators and the noise producing devices alone if we host tournaments there. a lot of the travel ball teams, whether it's baseball or softball or soccer, they use generators to for their tents for the fans and stuff um during game breaks. So, I would
definitely say to leave that home for sure. I'm more talking about in addition to cuz uh yeah, the kids love that stuff. Um it's it brings a lot of camaraderie to to the sport. So yeah, >> I was merely curious how the radio
decibel level would be enforced because as it stands right now, as it's written, I believe what it said was if it it's loud enough to um disrupt another person for taking of the facilities. Right. >> Right. >> You and I could be this close to each
other and what what may be good for you may be really loud for me and vice versa. Right. Or somebody with their entire car rattling like a jukebox on wheels. Right. So >> where do we draw that line? How do we update that properly and fairly, right? >> Yeah, that's the hard part cuz I don't want to like
>> we don't want to create like unnecessary arguments. >> You know what I'm saying? We we want to have something that's clear. So if we can't come up with something that is clearly defined, then obviously leave it out cuz I don't want to create confusion for code enforcement or the or the
citizens that's trying to figure out the rule. >> All right. But then again, for when folks go to the city park and want to enjoy the park, you want them to be able to have a clear set of rules that everybody needs to abide by and not have bad actors. Yes. That you can't say, you know what,
>> you're showing your butt, you got to go. >> Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. Yeah. We definitely need If you don't have something in place, you can't enforce it. Um Yeah. So, in section uh 42,
oh no, sorry, I skipped one. 42-13, this is where we would talk about the closing hours of the parks. This is really what drove talking about this section. Um Amy updated it where it
talks about the ramp, the boat ramp, and the bridge already. So, those notes are in there already, which is great because we needed to have those based on the feedback given by uh the deputy chief and chief, but one thing that we didn't really talk about was the actual hours
of the parks. Um, so what do you say? I don't know. We need to put a time in there. 10 p.m. >> Didn't we discuss that? 30 minutes before dark or sunset. So, we discussed it, but we didn't no one decided what to put in the hours. Um, we would like it
to be consistent amongst all parks. That way, we're not saying this park is sun sunset, this park is 10:00 p.m., this park is 9:00 p.m. Um, so whatever you all decide as hours, we do allow people to play pickle ball at the sports complex until 10:00 p.m. So, utilizing
the 10 or the 10:30 p.m. would be pretty consistent across the board. >> Yeah, they have lights out there for the pickle ball. And then there's a basketball court out there that has lights, too. So, if we want to have it the same across every park, you want to say 10 since that's when they do that pickle ball.
>> Coincides with the noise ordinance as well. So, >> yeah. >> Park as well. >> Yeah. But we'll all but we'll have the boat ramp still open and we'll have the bridge still open for those that like to walk the bridge at night until >> 10:00. No, afterwards you can still
after 10 o'clock you can still >> if you're fishing it's there is no time if you're utilizing the bridge um or the boat ramp it's open 24/7. >> We need Should this is more a question for you. Should we have an opening time too?
>> We would recommend an opening time. Yes, sir. Um and that would be probably 6:30 a.m. or 7 a.m. Whatever you all decide. >> Okay. I used to run at like 6 I don't run anymore. I got bad knees. But when I used to run, uh, I would prefer it to be
as early as possible. So maybe 6 >> 6 a.m. >> Okay. >> And then the uh 42-15 is talking about personal injuries and accidents.
Um, I it's of my opinion and I would like everyone's feedback, but I honestly think we kind of should probably remove this because we already I mean, I don't know. This
may be an HR question, but this can't this doesn't hold up in court anyways. Like, if if someone gets injured in our park, they're just going to sue us and they could win whether this is here or not. So, I don't know. Um, I don't know if this is an added layer of protection. You want me to read it
without make it easier for you cuz I already have it up or do you have Okay. >> What else? >> Okay. Oh, so in 42-17 uh or it might have be 16, it's talking
about having a uh fishing permit to fish, but we don't like we don't offer them. So, we need to update it to say h maybe just a generalized have a fishing permit or have a permit from wherever
you get because you can get a fishing permit at Walmart, you know, like but we don't want to say that come to our office and we'll and get a fishing permit from us cuz we don't do that. >> Yeah. I think it was uh defined to be something totally different than a
fishing license. Um, I assume maybe years ago they required you to have a permit that the city sold uh to fish off the bridge or fish from the park. Um, that's not even in our fee schedule, so I'm not sure where that language came from. I would say we strike that.
>> Yeah. Okay. >> All right. Okay. 42-22. It talks about a background screening policy. Um, do we even have one of those? Like an official policy
on doing uh background screenings of all volunteers, vendors, coaches? >> Oh, >> yes. >> Okay. Maybe we should um in the future just add that to our list of things to
to go over. I've uh it's not very good. [laughter] Yeah. >> All right. >> And uh there's one last thing that I mean I have quite a few notes, but it's more like stuff for Amy. Um that's not really we need to talk about it is more
like she asked a question I gave my opinion which all of you are welcome to do as well obviously. Um uh the final thing is this is more a suggestion since I spend so much time at the sports complexes. Uh
at Kane Griffin in the sports complex when during game time there's a huge amount of people in one small area and that tends to from a risk management standpoint. Okay, bad actors try to go
for the most damage with the least amount of effort. So, it's my opinion that we should have it in policy that if we have a sanctioned sport event that you have to have at least one police officer there. It's not written in our policy. I think
it should be >> um because there is it is written in our policy that uh staff members are there and they can reprimand. when you have, you know, a 19-year-old college student out there with, you know, full full
grown adults that are already ramped up because their kids are playing ball. What is a stat? I mean, if I'm a 19-year-old and someone comes and yells at me, I'm just like, "Okay, all right, whatever." You know? Um, so I think it would I think we should have it in the
policy that we have at least one officer for every sanctioned sport event. So, I think that would definitely require some some more in-depth conversation, especially during the budget time. Yes. Um, but if we did that, we would have to have two police officers, one for Kane,
one for the sports complex. Um and potentially one at the gym if you do it for sanctioned sports events. Cuz if you had a volleyball league going the same time you had baseball and softball or adult kickball leagues going um that could potentially be three police officers on overtime that evening um to
cover because we can't pull three off of the of their shift um being on patrol or it may be a cheaper alternative to do a a security company or something. My my counterargument is that it just pull them off patrol because having a police
officer at a sports event is way more important than having them on patrol. I mean, you may have a car accident, you could have an active shooter at a sports event. >> So, but if we only have four officers on duty that are making the rounds and we have three of them at sporting events
and we have a a domestic call or something, then we only have one officer that can respond to that. So, it may be may be better to look at, you know, a third party security company um or some that could give us, you know, the hours from 5:00 to 9:00 p.m. at those
facilities, uh versus having an officer do it, we get some pricing on that and look at the the alternatives. >> All right. >> And can I ask a question then? If you did that, hired a security company, they're they're not legally um they
legally can't do anything except step in and say, "Now, stop." you know, they'd have to call our police officers anyway, right? If it was a I mean, if it was a real offense, I don't think security I don't know. My opinion, we need police
officers there. But, um, you're right. Somebody pulls a gun and shoots somebody, then we have an issue in more ways than one. Did we ever uh uh finish the discussion? And again, this is because I couldn't hear. Did we ever finish the discussion
about um Oh, it was something you really want. Oh, about charging the out of town people. >> Oh, yeah. We've we've been in discussions about how >> we voted on that or done anything about >> So, yeah, a few meetings ago, we officially voted in the sponsorship
policy. So, we have it in policy now. Now, staff is working on a way to have like a a real stepbystep way to be able to make that happen. to charge out of out of town players. >> Okay, so we got two things here. We got sponsorships. That's what I was talking
about there. As far as um what the charging a little bit more, that'll come up whenever we vote on the fee schedule. So, if we want to do that, then it'd be during budget um conversations. You'd look at the fee schedule. And right now, like baseball, for example, baseball and
softball, I think basketball, too, they charge an extra $10 already. And yeah, the the outside the Linhaven resident like for um youth flag football Linhaven resident is $85. A non Linhaven resident is $95. Um for uh youth baseball and
softball, Linhaven resident is uh like 60 for Weeball, 70 for um non Linhaven residents. Um and it goes up for every division. So that's already been that was already passed the last fee schedule update though. Are you satisfied with $5?
>> I think we just need to we just kind of need to put our heads together and do some math and figure out I I think my suggestion is and I know Justin does this already, but we can take some load off of him is look at at the county and other cities and see what they're doing cuz now we've got the Bay counties
opening up parks. We've got um Panama City is opening up more parks. We already have in my opinion the best sports. we should not be charging less than someone else. So, we should do our research and um figure out what they're
charging. I My idea though, the main idea is that if we need to charge extra, the brunt should be on people that are using our stuff without paying tax dollars towards it like we are. Does that make sense? Which I I know you agree. So, and after our budget workshop
the other day, um we did an analysis on league the information we could find u Linhaven uh compared to Panama City uh and Panama City Beach. We do charge more uh for each of our leagues. So, we are already a little bit higher than than the rest. Um didn't have any information
on the county. Um their stuff is not the municipal related. It's ran by a board um like the Southport ball fields and Harders Leagues. Okay. Awesome. >> All right. Well, thank you for that discussion tonight. Um, obviously it's
one of many chapters and it's going to be a very visible one because it utilizes our parks for birthdays and cookouts and family reunions and all that kind of stuff. So, um, more to come, but thank you for taking the lead on that one and continuing to work with,
uh, our city attorneys on that endeavor. Mayor, we will incorporate um Commissioner Peebles's um changes. Um and if any of you have any other changes, if you would email them to us and and we will get with um Mr. Jackson and Miss Myers and get those incorporated so that we can bring it
back to the commission uh for approval. >> Thank you for that. Any other inputs, you guys? Yes, ma'am. >> I just want to make a statement. I see no reason why any adult should have alcoholic beverages at a children's baseball game. That is not the intent. I
promise that's not I do not foresee that ever happening. >> Okay. Okay. Well, you had mentioned it. >> No, no, it was um it was when we about a year ago, it was brought up about doing a special event permit. So, like let's say like Yeah. Let's say like if you had
um uh there was a third party that put on an event that was a concert and they had you know they can serve alcohol like a ticket where you can get one beer that's under 5% alcohol or something like that. Like very very restricted. That was the idea if I remember
properly. It's not my idea so I might be misquing but yeah I don't believe the intent was ever to just free range everyone just show up and get boozy. I don't think that that was the idea because yes, I'm very anti- having alcohol at children's events.
>> Okay, good. I'm glad to hear that. >> May help with some budget deficits there, Commissioner. >> Well, thank y'all for that. And uh good discussion, Commissioner Peebles. Thank you for bird dogging that. Number 11, discussion on directing staff to prepare
an ordinance for a one-year moratorum on any potential AI data center relocations to Lindape. So, this one I asked to be put on the agenda. Um, you ladies and gentlemen have been following the the news in Jackson County. Uh, Walton
County has actually come online as well and said no for a one-year moratorum. Uh for those of you that may have missed it, last Tuesday night, the uh Bay County Commission also discussed and they plan on voting at their next
meeting uh to do a potential one-year uh countywide bay countywide moratorum on AI centers. Um I've actually discussed individually with a couple of the county commissioners and said, "Hey, I'm looking to bring this to Linhaven as
well. Just for the record, we don't have any data. I AI centers or any data centers like that looking to relocate to Linhaven. Um but we are just now starting a complete uh rewrite and overhaul of our ulbc, our uh universal
land codes. Uh we have a new planning director, Miss Grand Prix, who is here and amazing. Uh we're going to be involving our planning committee as well on that as well as the city commission. So we have a lot of work to do to take care of our own ordinances. Um, but I
felt like having a one-year formal city level uh moratorum would be appropriate for us to discuss and do. The individual county commissioners that I approached about this, I said, "Would you consider this disrespectful if we as a city, even though you're looking to do one of these
as a county, we could do our own in parallel with you?" And they said, "No, not at all. You certainly could do that." that um but of course if the Bay County does a countywide moratorum it doesn't it wouldn't negate ours but
it it basically overrites it right so but we could still do one at our city level um there are a lot of concerns I'm sure most of you guys and ladies have been following the news there's a lot of environmental concerns with freshwater usage and electrical rates and all sorts
of things um we would realistically in city attorney you may be able to give some extra insight here, but uh generally a one-year moratorum or freeze on anything like this upfront is seems to be the the legally permissible way of
doing this in Florida for municipalities. If you tried to do it for extended periods beyond that, um, you kind of get on shaky ground. But it would get, if we do a one-year moratorum on this, this would give us the opportunity to get ourc updated, our
ordinances updated, and have a much better level playing field and upto-date rule book before any potential future AI center proposals came to Linhaven or to our area. Do you have any thoughts on
that you'd like to share? >> No, mayor. That's I mean that's the procedure is the commission to take any kind of banning or moratorum would need findings to determine that it was that the commission wanted to do that and what the findings were. And in order to do that, you'll have to do a study, you
know, have the planner or the city staff look at it and come back to the commission with findings. So um the proper process would be to go ahead and you could do a moratorum a short more term while you conduct the study up to a year is typically fine and then after that you'd have to take some action
either uh continue going put the restrictions in place or or don't do take any action. Thank you for that Mr. Jackson. So, just to be clear, um the intent of what I'm bringing is for us to parallel uh and partner with the the Bay
County Commission and have us largely mirror their proposal of the one-year moratorum to prevent AI centers from being able to roll into Linhaven for us, Bay County, for the county commission. So with that, I want to open up the
floor for any discussion or thoughts y'all might have amongst the commission or city manager. So >> the only thing I would add, mayor, is um I do believe that the county's uh motion died um for the for the moratorum. Um they've got some more research to do
before they present it. Um so I would say if we're going to mirror what the county does and then we should wait to see what they do. I will say from a staff level, um we don't have a concern with data centers. one, we don't have the the land um in the city that they could go on. Two, if they submit a
development order for that, um they would have to go through the utility capacity analysis. Um you mentioned the water extreme water usage um that they're rumored to use. Um if we couldn't supply water or sewer capabilities for them, then they couldn't even get through the
development order process. It would be recommended for denial. Um, so where we stand right now, we're very comfortable with data centers will not be an issue in the city of L Haven. Um, but I would say that we wait to see how the county handles theirs and then go from there.
>> Um, fair enough. I appreciate the inputs. Um, city commissioners, any thoughts? >> I think I mean I'm on board with what you're saying. Uh, I guess my question would be really do we want to wait on the county so that
it's at the same timeline if if it's a limit of one year and ours ends before theirs ends, what would happen? >> Well, if we were to do, let's say we approve one tonight or at our next meeting, right? We direct staff to draft a for i.e. the city attorney and city
manager to draft us a one-year moratorum effective our next meeting. We approve it. If the the county commission comes and joins in a month later, well, it there's layers on top of ours, right? And so even if our city moratorum ended two weeks or a month before their
countywide did, that that doesn't negate what we would do. >> I would think whatever the county votes on that only affects unencorporate areas. >> Correct. >> That's my wouldn't affect ours. Whatever we do would just affect the Linhaven. I don't think they work in conjunction.
>> That's correct. If the county does a moratorum, it it's for the unincorporated Bay County air parcels. It's not the Haven parcels. >> So, they could not do a countywide moratorum for all Bay County. >> I would defer to Mr. Jackson, but I
don't think so. >> It it is possible. I would think it could be possible for them to preempt local reg uh regulations, but it would be difficult. I don't know if our county has ever done that. Uh generally it's as uh Commissioner War and city manager
said that the any land use changes or moratoriums that only apply to the unincorporated areas of the county. >> Well, that being said, I'd still like for us to go ahead and press forward with this uh give ourselves a one-year breathing space to take a look at this to allow Miss Grand Prix and company to
get our ULDC up to snuff and up to par. Um, and city manager, to your point, uh, there are very limited places depending on how big a potential data center could be. Um, if they could even fit within Linhaven somewhere, but um, that being
said, I would rather us an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, right? So I would still pro like to proceed with the discussion and a drafting of a one-year moratorum in lie of the uldc being updated as such. So it
certainly wouldn't harm or do anything for our current operations. But if anything is to try to come to Linhaven uh within the next year of the moratorum, it gives us the grounds to be able to say no. So those are my thoughts. Any others
from the commission? So tonight we were just the a direction of staff is in a voting item. Right. >> Right. Yeah. Now I'm sure we'll have some folks in the public that want to discuss this and we'll certainly give them an opportunity to do so, but uh I
really wanted to publicly do this amongst us five um and make sure everybody was on board with this before I just try to charge off on this. Um it's in alignment with our two neighboring counties. I think everybody here in the panhandle seems to be in
pretty violent agreement on this. They have the same concerns. Um, and again, we're only talking a one-year moratorum that allows us to get our ULDC in place and then we can press forward from there. Everybody good with a directive to staff
to develop as such? >> Yeah. My only comment is doing this means that we definitely need to as a team get our heads together on the ULDC and get in that mindset of really getting that done. >> Agreed. Now, Miss Judy, you were in the
hospital when we had this particular meeting. I don't know if you heard this or not, but the analogy I used, you know, us Southerners love our cooking in our kitchens. Um, Miss Grand Prix is amazing. She's uh been our our recent recruit that Mr. Lightfoot was able to
hire in from Utah and she's very impressive in the space rather than have 15 cooks in the kitchen with her trying to take lead. Uh what I asked her to do was hey you take a hard scrub at the uldc you look at the applicable ordinances you come back to the
commission and you tell us what you need. Right? So to use the kitchen analogy, she's in the kitchen going to start the rue and the boy base and all that stuff. When she needs folks to come in and help her wash and clean vegetables and do all that other stuff, we'll jump in and help. But until then, you get started. You tell us where we
need to be. When you need inputs and help, by golly, we'll jump in and [clears throat] then we'll pull the uh planning commission in or the planning board in as well and uh get them engaged as well. So, it'll be a team effort, but Miss Grand Prix is definitely going to be our quarterback.
Everybody good with that? Right. Well, thank y'all for that. Now, I know we have some folks that uh uh are here and likely want to talk about the AI and we will certainly make that happen. um that literally unless the
board has or the commission has anything else to do with uh number 11. We do have number 12 and 13 to add and then we will open up for public commentary on the data center the potential moratorum if y'all want to discuss.
>> No, I saw you waving your hand. >> Oh, that was just me. >> Okay. Um, but let's we've got two more items we need to knock out and one of them is uh number 12, the mission statement or excuse me, number 12 is Commissioner War
and then number 13 is the mission statement. So, uh, Commissioner War, do you want to take over on number 12, sir? >> Yes, sir. So, um, we had our budget workshop, uh, last week and, um, you know, after having that, you know, it
got me thinking of some things that we need to, in my opinion, direct the staff, uh, to do since we're the ones that establish priorities for the city. And, uh, this item is not intended to direct staff to consolidate any particular service. uh rather it's
intended to direct them to identify opportunities where partnerships, shared resources, cooperative agreements or consolidation of certain [clears throat] functions could potentially improve efficiency uh reduce costs or enhance service delivery.
>> So um and then once uh they look at that any recommendations they have would come back to the commission for discussion before any action is taken. So the whole purpose of this is to give staff direction on this. >> So this is a firstwave hard look. Hey,
if this is a quote unquote all options are on the table and cost-saving opportunities as we try to be proactive moving forward into our certain all but certain resource lean near-term future.
we look at how we can continue to do business smarter, not harder and uh more efficiently. Right. Mayor, I would ask if if the commission is in agreement that we would uh prepare a resolution for the uh June 23rd meeting uh that would direct staff with
this direction uh to look at all city provided services um and the options of consolidation um with other municipalities, Bay County, um contractors, whoever, and uh look at that and bring the resolution back to the commission and um get it approved
and then start addressing those concerns. Does any other commissioner want to discuss or uh share their thoughts on this? In my opinion, more data is good data. So, just because um the staff is directed to look at
stuff doesn't mean that we've made a decision on it. It's just getting us more information. So, more information to me is better, especially this early in the budget season. >> So, >> thank you, sir. Commissioner Pero, Miss Tender, >> I agree with Sam.
more information is better to work with. >> Commissioner War, thank you for uh recommending that. >> So, is there any action we need to take or do we need do I need to make a motion or we just wait till the next meeting? >> Commission can could make a motion to
direct staff to look at it or we can uh just bring a resolution back for discussion next meeting about about that. >> And you're a honcho on this. Which would you prefer? I'll make a motion to direct staff to look at possibilities of consolidating
services and uh return with a resolution um at our next meeting. >> Okay. Got a motion. Can I get a second? >> I'll second. >> Thank you, ma'am. So, I have a motion and a second. Any uh I'll open this to the floor. Any discussion? Come on up,
Mr. Langford. Good evening. >> Good evening and thank you for bringing this up. Um, after Thursday's budget workshop, I was I was pretty frustrated and uh I woke up Friday morning more
frustrated than I was when I went to sleep Thursday night. Um, but [clears throat] I would ask that you all really look at a take a hard look at some of these things and and you know the things I'm thinking about, you know, is I think Lin Haven's got a SWAT team.
All right, we really need a SWAT team in Linhaven. I'm all for security, but I think Bay County's got one. All right. How much does it cost us to have two baseball seasons versus one? Again, everything's on the table here. We need to we need to start looking at at at ways that whether we're talking about
overlapping of services, uh whether it's fire, whether it's police, whether it's sports and wrecks. Um we we need to look at we need to look at everything here. Um because the numbers that I heard on Thursday were staggering.
Um, I mean, we're talking about city employees potentially going to four days a week. That was thrown out. I mean, there's there were some there were some serious serious things thrown out. Okay. So, as as staff looks at this, I would I
would probably narrow this down a little bit because what you guys are voting on is very broad and that's and that's a start and is very important, but I would probably start kind of narrowing this thing down to where we're looking at where we spend the most money in L
Haven, fire, police, and so on and so forth down from there. So you guys might want to narrow the scope down in your direction to the city as far as what what what what exactly do you want to talk about? If it's overlapping of services, whether it's first responders or whatever, then let's say that. Um,
but they need some some clear clear guidance from you all. And I know Thursday I sat back there in the audience and watched watched those of you that were here and man, y'all got punched in the gut by some of these numbers. Um, so you know, everybody's had a chance to chew on this a little
bit and think about it. Um, you might want to narrow this, start narrowing this scope down because if not, we're just going to be back here and I think June 23rd, uh, was was the date and we're just going to keep keep hacking away at this tree until we start narrowing this thing down. Thank you.
>> Mind if I respond to that? So, um, just so everyone understands, in the past, the way the budget process used to work was we wouldn't receive see the budget until about mid to late August and then we would have to vote on it in September. And this is something I
pushed for for I don't know two two and a half years or so to change the process so that we could start it earlier. And this is the first year that we've done that where we started that process earlier. And I'm glad and I project next year we'll even start it earlier than this. So this isn't a done deal. This is
our first stab at it so we can get this prepared by the time September comes around. We have enough time uh to look at this and um you know look at all the different options and and make smart decisions. Um as far as a SWAT team, if
I'm not mistaken, we we don't have a SWAT team, but I think we have members that are SWAT certified that support the sheriff's office. So, am I right on that? >> I would defer to Deputy Chief Infinginger to answer that a little better. But while he walks up too, I'm going to say that I took your motion too
as really the general fund. I mean, we're already looking at the the wastewater utility rates for the, you know, consolidation of the wastewater plan if that's feasible. Um, you can't consolidate storm water. Um, so I took that as general fund functions. Um, our
parks. >> Well, that was the what we basically went over at the last budget meeting. >> That's correct. Yeah. >> Now that said, and before deputy chief starts to speak, we could add an emphasis there on our um direction to staff to focus particularly not only on
synergies, but the most cost-saving synergies, right? So, let's go after the the most overlapping that could generate the largest cost savings, right, [clears throat] >> to the general fund, >> right? They may not be the economically sexiest things, but the ones that would
generate the most amount of savings for us and a very uh financially austere near-term future. >> Deputy Chief, we do have a SWAT team at the Linhaven Police Department. Um, but they are not just SWAT team members.
There's no such thing as a job with us where that's your job is just to be a SWAT team member. So these are all officers that already work on the road that have joined this SWAT team. So they're they've got all the certifications for that. So they train uh about one day a month. So that's the
only additional cost that we have is their training day once a month. All the equipment for that was a it was a big investment for startup. But I mean there's we've already bought the guns, already bought the gear, the people in place. So, um I guess we would if you
eliminated that, we would maybe save some on ammunition and the time that they train whenever they're paid that for that one day a month. So, I just want to make sure nobody thought that there we had like a group of people that came in and sat around and camouflage waiting for something to happen because
that's not the case. >> Played cards all the time, >> right? >> Yeah. No worries. Thank you, Deputy Chief. >> Any questions for the deputy chief commission? >> All right. Thank you, sir. Mr. Gray, come on up. >> Um, I
clarification would be appreciated, but I think the intent here is to look at where we can where we're contracting out for services, not necessarily performing in-house. If it's in-house, then that's a whole separate equation I think you need to give direction for. Because for
example, we could probably save about about $75,000 by replacing all five of you guys and letting the county come run this show. You know, people are out on Facebook talking about that, suggesting that. Do I think that's what's best for our city? No. Um, so I think we need to
kind of keep in mind what core essential services are for the city. police safety, fire emergency response, audible water and sewer, solid waste collection and disposal, storm water management and drainage, maintenance of streets and
associated infrastructure necessary for emergency access. So that that's where a city starts. You got to provide us that otherwise we're not really a city. Um even within those areas, there's ways to overlap. You know, Chris mentioned, hey, we can't really do much with the storm
water. He can, he probably already does this. He looks for contracts to piggy back off of to save money, stuff like that. Getting better value for our funds. Uh you can do that in other areas, too. For example, the landscaping, um the mowing operations.
Maybe there's somebody who mows elsewhere in the county and we can save money by having them mow with us. Um there's so many other opportunities. And one thing that we could probably uh look at consolidating here is I mean Mr.
Langford said is do we need two baseball seasons a year? Like how many first round draft picks has Lyn Haven produced? You're the baseball guy Sam do you know? Probably not many if any at all. Baseball's two. Two inundome years,
right? So I get it. sports are fun, but until those those non things that I just listed off here, the things that are not listed, until those things are self-funding and we're not having to ask for for ad valorum, you know, because we're about
to take I mean, come on, let's be realistic. In November, that referendum's going to pass. I crunched the numbers. I asked for the property appraiser for the numbers. We're we're going to take a pretty big hit in 27 and 28. I mean, I posted the numbers out on Facebook. if anybody wants them. They're
they're from older like the 25 26 midyear budget. But I think you guys brought up great questions at the budget um meeting, but I think what you need to do right here right now is say, "Hey, the first goal is to look at services that we know can be duplicated by uh are
duplicated and we can leverage other cities use, you know, resources or contracts of the counties or state stuff. Let's start there because contracts are where you end up spending more money. It's not always cheaper to contract. Sometimes it is cheaper to
in-house. So, you got to analyze that. I mean, I know you guys know that. So, focus in. >> Thank you for that, Mr. Scra. And I'll uh I'll just respond with one point. Uh one example would be animal control, right? We have an amazing threeperson animal control. Courtney and the two
mats. Uh we have a no kill shelter. They do amazing work. Now, they can put animals to sleep if they come in completely on death store, right? And they got to put them out of their misery or it's a a public harm. But we have one
old pit bull that's been there a couple of years now and he literally, you know, um so I am so proud of our animal control. Do I at in any way, shape, or form want to let our animal control consolidate with
Bay County? No. Could we potentially long-term budgetarily would it make sense? Maybe, maybe not, you know, but right now my heart says absolutely not. But those that's an example, right? The city of Linhaven can function without an
animal control if we support and provide resources and have a robust county level animal control that handles the whole county. Right? Our Linhaven plus Panama City and everything this side of the Hathway Bridge. That's just an example of something. It's not a core cop fire,
you know, flushing toilets kind of service, which are the most fundamental core services that we have, but it's still part of who we are. So, unfortunately, that's just one example of the kind of tough conversations we're going to have to have, uh, who we are as a city and budget limitations and all
that stuff. But, thank y'all for that point. Any other uh comments in terms of this uh budget resolution or excuse me this research resolution for budgetary purposes uh that we're looking to direct
to uh city staff. Okay. Hearing none. Um we got a motion and a second. City manager, would you call the role? >> Commissioner War? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Tinder? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Peebles? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Pero? >> Yes. >> Mayor Lowry?
>> Yes. We have a 50. Thank y'all for that. The last thing up is a mission statement discussion. I was proposing that we change one word in the uh the mission statement that's actually out on the wall out there from progressively to
diligently. Um progressively has a very distinct political connotation that I wanted to move the city away from. I want us to be much more professional and apolitical when it comes to that. Not everyone sees the word progressive as political but it is very much a
political term in the contemporary sense. Um so that was my proposal. You turn it to diligently that implies honor, determination and consistency. Right? I think about core functions of municipal government being that
honorable consistent uh straightforward. Right? So that was my one word discussion changed. the rest of it as uh Miss Hodgeges, our assistant city manager explained uh the department heads and uh the previous administration uh had come up with that. I think the
rest of it is actually really good, but I wanted to move away from that one political term. So, we mentioned this in our la our two budget workshops ago. Uh and so everyone's heard about it before, we've discussed it. I wanted to kind of bring it back for a formality uh of a
yet up or down. Now, if there's something else y'all want to change in that mission statement, I'm all for it. That was all the rage in the 90s and early 2000s, um, it's not so much now, but it's still fundamental to who we are, right? We as a core city, what is
our core mission statement? Preserve and protect our residency, our way of life, um, provide core utilities, right? But how do we do that in one wellthoughtout phrase? So that's what
this mission statement is. Do y'all have any thoughts or recommendations on tweaking? >> I do. I make a motion we accept it. It makes perfect sense. We've got to move with the times. And your explanation to me makes perfect sense. Um yeah, it's
like we have to protect the people against themselves sometimes, you know. Yes, I I would make a motion we accept the change. >> Thank you, ma'am. Anyone else want to discuss or have a second to the motion? Commissioner
Peeles, have you got some thoughts? >> Yeah. Do we need to make a uh do anything before we have a discussion? I mean, I'll second it for discussion. >> Well, thank you. But go ahead. Second. So, CJ, we have a motion from Commissioner Tender and a second from Commissioner Peebles. Commissioner
Peebles is going to discuss further. Um my my thing is like if we're going to do it, we might as well look at it real quick. Like you said, mission statements were all the rage in the 90s and 2000s. I think some of the other words, um maybe we want to add, for example, in today's world, we're all about
efficiency. So I would say rather than just saying providing consistent and transparent customer service, maybe we say providing consistent, efficient, and transparent customer service. And then um maybe we change the word enriching to
maybe enhancing. That's more that's a more uh up-to-date term. When I hear enriching, I think of watching a 1990s Disney movie or something. It just sounds kind of old to me. I don't know. I'm the youngest one up here. Uh but I
like the word enhancing better. Um the really the only reason I asked to pull is just so that we could if we're going to change one thing, we might as well look at all of it and see if there's anything else we want to change. >> Well, I'm all for the efficient being at
it as well. That's that's a fair as well as transparent efficiency is works for me. Commissioner Pero, you got any thoughts, sir? I think we got bigger fish to fry myself, [clears throat] but that's here or there. There's a
motion, a second. I'll give my vote. Okay. So, we have a motion in a second. Um, and that was for changing my one word from progressively to diligently. Would y'all like to add the efficient? Would you like to mean your motion and second
to add the word efficient also? I'm good with that. Do I need to resend mine first? Technically, if she's going to modify it. All right, I'll Do you have any intents to modify it? If I was to resend it. >> I like what you said, too. >> Okay, I'll resend my second.
>> Can I get a resc from you with change to diligently and add the word efficiently? >> Yes. >> Thank you. You're going to rese? >> Sure, I'll rese. >> Thank you both for that. I appreciate the support. Commissioner Tend or excuse me, Commissioner Warick, do you have any
thoughts? >> Well, so I'm I guess I'm kind of confused because when [clears throat] we originally when you originally brought this up, um the discussion went that we would have a workshop on this. That's what was my understanding was there
would be a workshop on on on this. So, I'm kind of confused on why we're doing it now and not waiting for a workshop. >> Well, and I'm sorry if I thought if I implied a [clears throat] workshop. I talked about this in a workshop with y'all. My key focus is I want to change
the one very politic current political word in there that I think is inappropriate. Um if y'all want to overhaul the entire mission statement, I'm fine with that. We But we need to set up a time to do so. Um I [clears throat] think the rest
of it is good. And Miss Hodgeges, when did y'all do that? It wasn't that long ago. Two or three years ago when you made that mission statement. I'm sorry, mayor. I wasn't here when the mission statement was Miss Roman. I'm sorry.
>> It was the first year I was here, so I'm going to say it was either in 2020 or 2021, and it was uh the directors, the then city manager. Um, and we spent the better part of a day discussing it and coming to consensus with this wording.
>> So, roughly five years old, give or take. >> Yes. Mrs. Gainner, thank you. >> So, uh, the one word is what I want to change, and I don't want to spend a whole lot more time on this tonight,
but, um, I would like to go ahead and revise as it is current. And if y'all want to rework this part of a larger uh, strategic meeting or how we set new goals for ourselves, especially in this brave new world we're going to be
looking at financially, I am more than good with that. But for now, >> financially, how much is it going to cost, >> sir? >> How much is it going to cost to change the one? >> So, that was going to be my question. So, a quote is the quote to do it is about 5 to 7 $5,7500.
Um, there is not a not money in the budget for it at this time. So, if you all pass this tonight, do we bring back a budget resolution um to do this? Do we put a picture over it? Um, we're not sure what if it passes, what do we what do you want us to do with it? We're
We're trying to save money. >> Yeah. I mean, that's a good point. I didn't even I really didn't consider that. I'm not interested in spending any money. >> So, I'm not pushing to update this on the wall tonight. I realize the budgetary, but updating our mission, our
official city mission statement. It's not cost prohibitive to do this. To update the wall display would be >> and that can wait until later date. >> Yeah. To my knowledge, that's the only place it's displayed that I know of right off hand.
>> It might be on the website. I don't know for sure, but that there would be no cost to change >> any city documents. So, well, I'd like to go ahead and and press forward with this revision now. Um realizing we don't have the money right
now to update the wall. Uh, I will be curious though because that actually is a wallpaper that's painted and then they bring in like a dot matrix grid printer and print on the wall. I literally wonder if it would cost 5 to seven grand or if we're looking at a few hundred to
get that updated. >> I've got the written proposal. I had the company come in. >> We can look at that at a later time, but still let's get it officially updated. If y'all are immunable, let's press ahead. diligently.
>> What? >> Yes. What you said and what you said. So >> so it' be diligently enhanc >> diligently enhancing our community's quality of life by providing consistent consistent efficient and transparent
customer service to our residents. >> Yes. >> Got that CJ? >> So enhancing replaces enriching. >> Yes, I'm fine with that. >> All right. Any comments?
Okay, we got three. I saw Mr. Langford, then Mr. Scra, and then Miss Basher. >> I'm not too concerned about the what as far as the words as much as I am the how. Um, I'll volunteer tonight to
donate a gallon of paint and paint the wall out here and print out that wording that y'all came up with, put it in a picture frame, and hang it up up out here. I went back and I looked at the strategic meeting. There was a lot of discussion. It wasn't just about this
wall, about the other one. And uh one of the best quotes out of that whole meeting, I thought I think it was Miss Kiki that said it. This is city hall. It's either Miss Kiki or Miss Jennifer one. So this this city hall, it's not a museum. All right. So you know what what
we decide to do? Do we need to spend uh $7,000 to bring in a printer out here and print that wall? Absolutely not. Let's paint over the dag gum wall, put it in a picture frame, and hang it up out there. So in 10 years, when somebody else wants to change the mission statement or whatever it is we want to do, you take that picture out of that
picture frame and put a new one in there, and we press on with life. >> That's that's what I'm talking about is is doing things smart. We already know how much it cost us to be in this monstrosity of a building right now. We don't need to add to it. That's where I'm at with it.
>> I agree with you 150%. And that's actually a good point for us to look at. I'd rather paint over the wall if need be than uh do the other and we can discuss that at a different time. All right, Mr. Scra.
So, there was a student named Tim that he worked diligently. He uh studied his notes before every exam. He took painstaking care to take notes. He was very prideful of his work. You know, his peers described him as hardworking and
thorough. His teachers said he always paid close attention. That's why everybody was confused when he graduated with with a 1.67 GPA. But darn, he was diligent. Diligence does not describe anything more than how you do something.
It does not mean improvement. It does not mean certain outcomes. Tim graduated with a 1.67, 67. But by golly, he was diligent. Is that really what we're here to do is to get just lost in all of this these little little things? I get little
things add up to big things, but >> is this really the priority? Mayor, is this really that Let me finish after my after my two people. >> Point of order, sir. I have time to talk and you can talk after. >> Sir, no. I chair this disrespectful if
you're not going to allow me to finish. Stop talking. Are we clear? >> I'm going to continue my time. >> Are we clear? >> No. I'm going to continue my time. So, >> deputy chief, >> the whole point of this is that these are not the issues that are important to us right now. We need to be focused on the bigger things like bringing in revenue for this.
>> Be respectful. When the chair starts talking infringing on my free speech, this is protected by law. If you don't like what I have to say, that's fine. >> You administer to the chair. You step back. >> May I finish my time? >> No, you may not. >> Okay. Thank you. Deputy Chief, escort
him out of the building, please. >> You need to go with the deputy police chief, Mr. Scra. >> You were disrespectful and disorderly. Goodbye, sir. >> I disagree, >> Miss Basher. So, progressively was first used in 1612
according to um Miriam. Um in five years, is this word going to be out of style? I just don't see the point in picking picking a word and
changing it. I just don't I don't see the point. And I mean 1612 is a long history. You can go through and read the whole definition of what progressively means and it's just been used recently for political
party. But I just don't think that's what we need to focus on. Thank you. >> Thank you, Miss Basher. All right. With that, Mr. Hines, come on up. Good evening, sir.
>> You are the chair of the meeting. >> Yes, sir. >> The chamber. >> Long before you was born, everybody was given the free right of speech. The gentleman was speaking his idea or his issue and you tried to interrupt him and tell him he couldn't do it. That was a
violation of his rights. If you don't know that, you may not be in need be in the seat that you're in. We talked before about the way you became the mayor. What just happened? I don't agree with and I don't think it's right. You owe me
an apology because he had three minutes because that's your rule, not his rule. He don't have to agree with you to get his point across. You don't have to agree with him to get his point across. Politics is when you get elected. Once you get elected, you become neutral
supposedly. That word has been used for hundreds of years. Progressive last 10 years, they want to make it political, which is really not. It's just a word. Your interpretation of the word and someone else interpretation of the word, it's
just the way life is. So, I think that you need to talk to Mr. Scray and give an apology and everyone has the right to speak and that's why we come here. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Hines.
All right, with that, city manager, are there any more comments regarding the word change in the mission statement before we proceed to vote? >> Hearing none. City manager, would you call the role? >> Commissioner Tinder, >> yes. >> Commissioner Peebles, >> no.
>> Commissioner Pero, >> no. >> Commissioner Warick, >> no. >> Mayor Lowry, >> yes. All right. Well, now we're down to public commentary. So, we have [sighs and gasps] one, two,
three, four, and five. Uh, first one up. I'm sorry. Joe looks like B I D E L L Joe Belle. Come on up, sir.
Good evening. >> Good evening. Apologies. This is my first ever attending anything like this and uh it's fairly interesting so far. But um I will say as as my first time in something like this just because
somebody disagrees with you have to kick. Just got to lean into mic. >> I'm How about now? >> That's good. >> Sorry. This is my first ever meeting and
um I appreciate you doing this, but just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't mean you can kick them out over something like that. I understand there's rules of decorum and all, but that's the man's first amendment rights. I think it's kind of wrong. Thank you.
Thank you, sir. >> Or excuse me. Can I ask uh Mr. Bidell a question? Can I ask you a question if you don't mind? I don't want to put you on the spot since it's your first meeting, but I'm real anxious to know what motivated you to come to tonight's
meeting since it's your first meeting. >> Uh it was uh 11 um object 11 on the form, the AI data center. >> Oh, okay. >> I just wanted to see what your thoughts and opinions on the entirety of it were. and I do appreciate you putting it on there to bring it up. >> Thank you. >> Awesome.
>> Well, while you're here and you have your three minutes for sure, is there anything you want to share your thoughts wise with the commission? >> No, I do think you're doing the right thing putting a temporary halt to the AI idea. Just I haven't seen any place
built AI wise in the past 2 years that hasn't completely decimated the environment that they put it in. not only for the people that live there, but for the actual nature and the animals and everything else. I I thank you for putting that in there to keep us safe and everything.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right, Mr. Corey Langford. >> Thank you. Um, so I've been following what's been going on in Jackson County with this AI stuff pretty closely. And um, this just came out, at least they just posted it on their Facebook two
hours ago, so y'all may not have seen it, but u, initially Jackson County, they went for the the one-year moratorum. Uh, well, they actually came back today and they said, "Hey, [clears throat] this is crazy. Let's let's just ban it all together. We don't have to wait a
year. We don't have to wait. We just let's just rip the band-aid off. put it in our comp plan and let's just strike it now saying you can't do this in Jackson County. So, um I support the the moratorum obviously, but I think you can go a step further and say, hey, let's
just let's just update our ULDC or our comp plan or both or whatever it is we need to do and say no, you can't do it in Lin Haven. Um on that same notion, um I've been we've been talking about comp plan and the uldc now for quite some
time about how it needs to be updated. Um, I just so happen to sit on the charter committee. Um, and we're we're we're deep diving into the charter obviously. Um, y'all might want to consider having a a committee to update the uldc and and comp plan. Um, that's
going to be a it's going to be a long process and and y'all need people that can that can go into this to the to the depths that it needs to be gone into. And that's going to take an extensive period of time. And I don't not saying that I don't think y'all can do it. I
just think that if if that committee kind of did what we're doing with the charter, it y'all might be able to get a little bit better product. Uh that's all I'm saying. But just something something to consider. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. All right,
Mr. Kobe. I'm sorry, Alen. Or maybe that's a Killing Mr. KBY. Okay. No, Mr. Colby. I have a Garrett Duchello.
One of them. And then I have a Maya Moes. Okay. Those three folks are no longer here. Um, I'll open the floor for any general public commentary tonight from any of our other citizens here tonight. Anyone else like to speak?
Come on up, ma'am. Good evening. one of our regulars. Um, my name is Susan Hines and I just wanted to say I live in Lynhaven and from the times that I've been here and
come to these meetings, I'm amazed at the work that you all do and how sometimes you don't get credit. Sometimes you get credit when credit really wasn't due, but but you've always
been um for the people and I just I just want to tell you thank you. I'm just I'm overwhelmed by the willingness that you have to serve your community. Thank you. >> Thank you, ma'am.
>> Mr. Basher, come on up. >> Good evening. >> Good evening. Just one quick word on the data center thing, mortorium. You said there's no place in Linhaven really big enough to house a data center. That precludes us growing. I assume Linhaven's going to want to grow. So, it
is something that needs to be considered that at some point in the future, you may have room for a data center. So, it does need to be addressed. Thank you. >> Excellent point, Mr. Basher. Especially if we extend north in any direction or northeast, northwest.
Very good point. All right. Anything else tonight? Come on up, ma'am. >> Good evening. >> I have a question. I just would like it explained a little more thorough with the one-year man >> moratorum.
>> Yes. with that you had didn't you just say that you have to have that so that you are able to do the band is that what you could you explain that to me because you kind of made it
>> it kind of came off as a city we cannot do a band unless we do the one year but I know that Jackson County didn't do the one year and they stepped up and said no We banned it here. We don't want it
here. So, aren't we able or maybe I just need it explained. Do we have to have it before? Because I believe it was you that had said it earlier in tonight's meeting. >> City attorney, can you answer her question? >> Yes, sir. So, >> I'm just confused and would like it explained.
>> So, any kind of ban of the use of a particular type of property is restricting property rights, which requires there's constitutional issues with that. anytime a government is restricting a person or a company's property rights. And so before they
undertake an outright ban or restriction, uh generally you want to have a study, you want to look at the issue and see how it applies to the city, have a rational basis for the decision that supports the decision that you're making. And so the purpose of a
moratorum is to put potential applicants on notice if there's somebody that wants to apply to be a have a data center here that hey we're going to stop any kind of permit approval of a data center which might be permitted now. It's unclear
until we study this issue and see how it affects the city and the infrastructure and all the other issues that might come up from that. And so the risk you run if you just go to a straight permanent ban is that you may impinge upon the due process of the people who might apply
for those things. So generally what you want to do is have a moratorum to put people on notice, study the issue and then come back with the results. The commission can then make a policy decision about how they want to handle that. That may be too >> the ability is there for the city to say
we don't want it. Correct. We don't need to wait the year. I was in Jackson County a few weeks ago. I was surprised not enough people came here tonight. There were over 200 people. We couldn't even get into the city council meeting.
People had to tape it. We had to watch it outside. It's very peaceful. But we care about what it will destroy. And in the small amount of time that I have seen Lyn Haven grow, I can't even believe you all
wouldn't just step up to the plate and follow suit, not wait a year, waiting on what Bay County wants to do because what a data center would take away from this city would destroy everything you've worked so hard to put in. >> Well, in point of clarification, ma'am,
when I talked to the individual Bay County commissioners, I told them I wanted to propose this for Linhaven. They said they were looking at a county version of this. So, my question to them was, "Well, I don't want to be disrespectful of y'all, but I want to do
a city one." And they said, "Go ahead." Uh, the individuals that I spoke to said it it wouldn't impact us. But now, if they were to do a countywide one on top of our city one, well, we're just double covered then, right? >> Correct. But wouldn't it make quite a statement if Len Haven went ahead and
did the ban and said Bay County, we're stepping up first, not not our city, >> and that's what we're looking to do. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. >> I think I could add something to that to add >> Parker. Come on up. >> Uh I think I can add something that may
add why the moratoriums are a thing. If you kind of look at let's look at like our uh development orders for example. If let's just say a random I don't know a gas station came in and wanted to develop we it's well within our right to
say no but if we do it's virtually guaranteed that they're just going to sue us because it's well within their rights to do it they'll win then they get to build. So if we do the moratorum we'll have the data and the evidence
behind it to prove why we're saying no. Just because we ban something doesn't actually truly prevent it from happening. I get what you're saying though is like you're making a statement. Absolutely. But this the moratorium would be more of like a step of protection from being sued later later because we'd have data to prove
why we don't want it rather than just saying we don't want it. >> Good. Good evening. M >> Parker Lyn Hiben the AI um that the data centers they don't need to be here. They don't need to be in Bay
County. I'm sorry. Um I don't think Lyn Haven needs it at all even with the moratorum. The other thing that's concerning is also the flock camera situation that needs to be heavily discussed with
this commission. It is starting to become very concerning of consider of citizens being targeted. There's 20,000
hits in a um count in a city of 20 what? 22,000 24,000. That's a lot of hits, guys. So, we need to look at the flock situation as well. Thank you.
>> Yes, ma'am. Thank you, >> Mr. Schwitzer. Are you coming up? >> Good. Good evening. >> Good. I'm a little worn out, but you know, that word triggers me, so I got a little extra energy. I was about to fall asleep back there, but um
I was looking at the uh and and listening to the uh budget meeting that you guys had and it dawned on me that in the general fund you could cut almost $100,000 a year out of um out of the
general fund if you delinct us from Bayrock Bay and stop paying the leasing fees for flock. So, I think if you start with that, all of your other problems are going to be easy. Thank you. >> Well, thank you for the budget
recommendation. 100 grand is not shump change. >> All right. Anything else tonight? >> Can I double check something? >> And I think I talked to Kiki about this. Do we pay 12,500 a month?
>> A year. A year. 12,500 a year. >> Okay. So where does the 100,000 come in as far? >> 6,000 a month for what? So >> what what char who charges this? >> Come on back up for a minute. You threw out a budget grenade and then you ran.
Come on back. >> Way I understand is we have five cameras. Each camera is 12,500 a year. >> Uhuh. She says the all all of them >> all together 12,500 >> 12,500 a year. But for those who don't know, all of the flock cameras in Bay
County are integrated at Bayrock. And the system that does that is Fus from what I understand. I might be wrong, but that's that's what um was presented in front of uh the commission by Deputy Chief Infinginger.
So that is well what is that? 72,000 a year. 6,000 a month. Yeah. 72,000 plus 125 is what? 85 about 80. So I call it $100,000 just because it sounds better.
So that's that's my proposition. And I'm even willing to give up James E. Rogers Park. Just leave it. Just mow it. But I really feel, you know, it's kind of like when you when you're taught at church to pay your tithing first and
everything else kind of takes takes its course. I think that's what you guys will find out. Cut flock, cut fus, and everything else will just magically improve. Thanks. >> Thank you. Former President George Bud George W. Bush used to have a term for
that, Mr. Schwitzer. You call it fuzzy math, the 85 to 100, but I I hear you. All right. Um, anything else tonight? Come on up, sir. >> Aaron White. I'm at 1515 Country Club. I also serve on the planning commission
and I just wanted to comment that Miss Gina has already been ahead of uh encouraging all of us to take a deep dive into the U DLC and the comprehensive plan. We actually started planning some workshops. So, thanks Miss Gina for kind of spearheading that and so we're our committee now. We have
several new members and we're all very energetic to help support that. So, I'm sure there'll be some good collaboration. So, that's all I want to say. >> Well, sir, thank you. before you leave, thank you for what you do for our city volunteerism wise. >> And second, please take back to your um
committee that this commission and the new mayor in particular is uh looking for y'all to help and you can use the reference that I made about the cooks in the kitchen, right? Uh y'all support Miss Grand Prix as much as you can collaborate with her. Um you ladies and
gentlemen are on that commission or that board committee for a reason. uh you bring expertise to that as well as your Linhaven citizens with a volunteer spirit. When she says y'all jump in, y'all huddle, you do the very best you
can with that. And um we look forward to getting your inputs in that to make this process and the uldc better, sir. >> Yes, sir. Thank you. All right. Any other comments before we wrap up tonight?
It is 7:04 and uh hearing none others. We'll do our reports and we'll close up. I'm going to pass on the mayor's report. Happy to be here and proud to serve. Um a lot of budget work to forthcom. We'll start on the left with Commissioner Pero
and work our way to the right with Miss uh Tender. >> Thank you, Mayor. I don't have much to report um without expressing gratitude for everybody who's here. Thank y'all and uh thank you to our employees and our first responders. And I just uh and
our military and and I just wanted to say uh a couple things just real quickly. I I I know uh I know that you all um you know I'm a sports guy and the World Cup starts on Thursday and the
United States has got a a legitimate shot at coming out of pool play and being in the being being into the into the mix. So if you if you wanted I'm not saying go anywhere and watch it. Just just support the United States soccer
team, please. They need all your help. All right? because there's a lot of big boys out there been playing soccer a long time that can kick them around a little bit. And it's it's the it's also the World Cup, if you didn't know, is being played in North America. So, it
could be played in Miami, it could be played in Washington, it could be played in New York City. So, that and and that then that creates a little fervor for for a team from there. Even in Mexico and Canada, there's there's games all over over uh starts it starts July I
mean June 11th to July 19th. So we'll just wish the best for America. Then the other thing I had and Mr. Lightfoot, I'm not trying to uh uh bamboozle you here, but I talked to a citizen today and you know who it is when I mention the road.
Um the at at uh Vermont and 12th, we've got uh you know, we we got cars parking against the rideway. They park in the opposite direction. We've got uh we've got we got several issues over there. And I thought if we if we made it made a
a city sweep and we started in that area with with the way with the way cars cars park and there's and there is I'll tell you one of these other one of these other points is these ebikes. They're not being driven in the bike lanes on
the major through fairs. They're being driven on the sidewalks. And a lot of people use the sidewalks on 77. All the handicap people use the sidewalks on 77 and 390 and these ebikes aren't like regular bicycles anymore, man. Those the
suckers are fast. People are going 35 miles an hour on a bicycle and and it it hurts them. They get injured hitting cars and stuff and and those injuries are up and everything. We talked about it at a at a workshop, but it's at a point now where I I and I saw it today,
you know, it just jumped out at me like these they they need to be adhering to the bike lanes. And I'm not trying to create more work for the police officers or not. I'm just trying to echo the voice of of of the citizen and the concerns that that I see. And that's all I have. And and again, thank you to
everyone. Appreciate it. >> Thank you, sir. Commissioner Peebles. >> Thank you, Mayor. Um, so I don't remember if I brought this up yet already or not, but at our last TPO meeting that we were at, I believe that was in between this meeting and the last
meeting. One shout out that I wanted to give out to our staff was that Bayway has now created a car wash for government vehicles and it's crazy cheap. It's like $6 to 8 per wash or something which is way cheaper than it
would take in manh hours to wash. way cheaper than if you took it somewhere else. And Linhaven was the first city in the county to utilize it. So, we've saved a ton of money by doing that. That was not my idea. I'm just passing on the information. Thank you to uh whoever
that was in staff. It was I'm assuming uh it was either Mr. Lightoot or Mr. Jenkee cuz they are involved with TPO a little bit. May have been someone else, but whoever it was, thank you for that. You're saving us money. It's great. Another thing um I want to bring up is I
wanted to say a special shout out to uh Captain Bllelock and the police department. Um they took myself and my children on a tour today of the entire police department. My kids loved it. Um we
learned a lot and we got to see how everything's utilized. I mean, I've taken a tour before, but not to that extent. I mean, I I think we saw literally every inch of it and uh even to, you know, the weight room and stuff to see one of the SWAT members using the
dude can bench press 335 lbs. Okay, that's a lot. [laughter] Uh but anyways, uh it was fantastic. So, thank you. Something my my children will remember forever and I learned a lot, too. Uh one other thing I wanted to
bring up is and I did talk to the city manager about this a little bit. Um, we have talked a lot on the budget side of how to save money. One thing I also want to focus on is how we can bring in more revenue, which is kind of something we've already talked about a little bit about the fee schedule. But one thing
that I really want to get back into is revamping the community services advisory board because it's the the board is still technically active. Um the last many meeting minutes was in 2024, but if we can revamp that into focusing more on uh where we can get
sponsorships, how we can raise money without taxpayer dollars. Um I know that there's a lot of people that want to help. Some people already on that board, but that was a great board, by the way, and I went to several meetings cuz they they that we did have good citizen input on on design for rebuilding our parks.
>> Okay. It was it was a vital and and I think because we got our parks open, the the board kind of faded off a little bit. So, if it if we're redoing chapter 42 or or moving on in certain, it might be something we need to we need to ask our citizens to help participate in
again. >> Yeah. And I I've already had people reach out to me and saying they want to get involved. So, um I'm excited about that. I think it's a way we can help raise funds for, you know, in a hard budget season, we got to find ways to raise money. You know, like last budget
season, unfortunately, we had to cut trunk or treat and the Easter egg hunt. If we're able to get funds for those, why not do them, you know? And there's people out there in our in our community that is way better at raising money than I am, and they want to get involved. So,
let's let them. Um I think that their their information and and their expertise is essential to uh especially municipality as most of you regulars know um very little of our actual budget is through the general fund and property
taxes. Most of the time a city is ran on grants and donations. And so we need to get um back on the wagon of letting people be involved. And I I think that's a really good place to start. With that, that's the rest of my report. Thanks to
the staff and and thanks to to Parks and Wreck and sports for what they do. You know, I got children and they've been doing a great job. Um I'm around all those areas all the time, so I see firsthand. So, thank you for what you do. And as always, oh, and one more thing, one thing that really stuck out
to me in the police department, if you ever get a chance to see it, ask for if you can. The dispatch room is amazing. You walk in there and it's like so like when we were in the trailer, they're like cooped up like in this little tiny room. You go in there now and it's like
you you can look around like this and there's screens everywhere. They've got two people ready to take any calls. I was in there for 10 minutes and I think we had a there was multiple calls made in that short period of time. Dispatchers are going. There's screens everywhere. It's just like it is in the
movies. It's awesome. But uh all right, that's already that's all I have. Um thanks. Thank you, sir. Commissioner Ward. >> Yes. So, um I actually had the pre pleasure of representing Linhaven at the Bay County League of Cities dinner last
night where we had uh the base commander, Colonel Bergholt, uh give us a briefing of what's going on out there. They discussed or he discussed the uh the growth of the F-35 mission out there. uh the rebuilding efforts that are underway ever since Hurricane
Michael and uh the significant impact that um that's on our local economy. And some of the statistics that um kind of stood out to me was uh the economic impact was about approximately $1.3 billion
and um they're current they're they support more than 16,000 military members, civilians, retirees, and family members throughout our region. And then we got into the discussion about uh base housing and that was one of the questions I had um what base housing was
before Hurricane Michael. What's it look like in the future? And before Hurricane Michael, uh Tindle had um 900 base housing units. Um after it's all done, uh they're projected to have 600 units. So they're going to actually have a
third less of the housing what they had before Hurricane Michael. So, that's going to create some opportunities and challenges for our community. Um, and uh, so it was it was very informational and a lot of good information. So, I have a actually have a
presentation I'd like to go over tonight. Um, before I do get into the presentation, I just want to set a clear expectation. Uh, this conversation is not about winning an argument or advancing anyone's agenda. It's about protecting the structure of our government so that
every commissioner, present and future, operates under the same stable framework. A city charter is our foundation. It defines who has authority, how our government is organized, and where accountability sits. Those elements should remain
steady regardless of who occupies these seats. Policies on the other hand are the tools we use to govern day-to-day that need to be flexible, adjustable, and responsive to changing circumstances. So the purpose of this presentation is
simple, to make sure we're not putting operational rules into a document that's meant to define the framework of government. It's about ensuring that our charter remains a stable non-political foundation, something every commissioner can rely on no matter how divided we may
be on an individual issues. And the so the purpose of discussion is to establish a common understanding of the difference between government governmental structure and operational policy. The goal is not necessarily for everyone to agree on every example. The goal is to provide a consistent method
for evaluating future charter provo proposals. >> [clears throat] >> Um, a city charter is often described as a municipality's constitution. A constitution generally does not tell employees how to perform their job. Instead, it establishes the framework
under which government operates. It defines authority, accountability, powers, duties, and organizational structure. And uh understanding home rule is important because [clears throat] it helps explain what a charter does and
does not do. Historically, local governments could only exercise powers specifically granted by the state. Florida eventually adopted broad home rule authority. Today, municipalities generally possess broad powers unless
those powers are restricted by the Florida Constitution, state law, or the city's charter. Because municipalities already possess broad home rule authority, a charter is not primarily about granting powers. Instead, it is primarily about organizing authority,
assigning accountability, establishing government structure, and in some cases, limiting government authority. Instead, it is primarily about organizing authority, assigning accountability, establishing government structure, and in some cases limiting government
authority. This distinction is important because it helps explain why some charter provisions deal with government framework while others begin to look more like operational policy. Oops, I went too far.
All right, I did it again. When thinking of charter provisions, it's generally thought about in five categories: structure, authority, accountability, elections, powers, and duties. These are the building blocks of government governmental framework.
A charter typically answers questions such as who governs, who appoints, who removes, how are officials elected, what powers do various officials possess? These are structural questions.
Policy is different. Policy generally governs procedures, processes, standards, and operations. Policy focuses on how government carries out its responsibilities. This slide summarizes the distinction. Government framework answers who decides
policy answers how are decisions carried out. One of the most important concept tonight is this. The question is not whether something is important. The question is whether it defines the framework of government. So [clears throat] when evaluating a
program a proposal you should ask these questions. Does it define who has authority? Does it organized government or does it establish accountability? If the answer is yes then it would be classified as government framework. If it described a pro procedure then the
answer then it would most likely classify in policies. These qual questions help us determine whether something looks more like framework or policy. These are examples commonly found in municipal charters.
Each of these directly affects government structure and these examples commonly addressed through ordinances, resolution, policies or administrative procedures. These provisions tell government how to operate.
As we go through some examples, I encourage everyone to think about these four questions. >> [clears throat] >> These these are risk when operational policies are placed in charters. Policies often need adjustment. Technology changes, best practice
changes, operational needs change. Charters are intentionally difficult to amend. That stability is a strength for government framework but can become a challenge for operational procedures. Government framework should generally endure
meaning it provides a permanent foundation of core values, rights and foundational structure. Policy should generally adapt to changing circumstances, technology and community needs. A charter should provide stability while policy should provide flexibility.
As we move into examples, I want everyone to consider one question. Does the provision define government power or does it direct government operations? So these examples are not things that I'm proposing. These are just examples
just to go through this exercise. So I don't want anybody to think that I got these ideas in my head. So first one is the city manager shall be appointed by a majority vote of the city commission may be removed by a majority vote of the city commission.
So I would ask Commissioner Pero, would you consider that government framework or policy and I got the questions up there so you can kind of look at them? You would consider that framework. I would agree. I would classify this as government framework because the defines
authority, accountability and the relationship between the commission and the city manager. Second one, municipal elections should be held in April of odd number of years. Commissioner Peebles, you think that's government framework or policy?
>> I would say that that would fall under framework. >> I would agree. I would classify this as government framework also because it affects voter representation and government structure. City clerk shall be appointed by and served at the pleasure of the city
commission. Commissioner Pinder, you think that'd be government framework or policy? >> Policy. >> Do you think >> I definitely >> Well, that's fine to agree, but do you think it's government framework or do you think that would be policy? Because
if it's government framework, it would belong in the charter. If >> it's policy, it would be ordinance, resolution, something like that. So I would agree with that too. So I would clarify this as government framework also because it changes authority and reporting relationships.
The mayor shall preside over all meetings of the city commission shall possess veto authority over ordinances adopted by the commission. Mayor Lowry, would you consider this government framework or policy? >> Framework. It describes function.
>> Absolutely. I would agree with that. >> [clears throat] >> All purchases exceeding $50,000 shall be discussed at two regular meetings before approval. Commissioner Perl, you think that would be government framework or policy? >> I would agree with that.
>> Absolutely. It doesn't and it doesn't change authority. It simply prescribes how the process Um, all public comment speakers shall be permitted three minutes to address the city commission. Commissioner Peles, you think this would
be government framework or policy? >> That is definitely policy. >> Yep. I would agree. The commission may decide tomorrow that 5 minutes is better than three. Should that require a citywide referendum? I would say no. The city manager shall provide a written
report to the city commission each month detailing detailing all purchases over $10,000. Commissioner T, do you think that would be framework or policy? >> Yep. I would agree. It establishes an administrative reporting process.
The city shall maintain at least five police officers on patrol during every shift. Mayor Lowry, would you consider that government framework or policy? >> Policy. >> I would agree. And uh this is a good one because it is important affects public safety. But
again, importance alone does not make something charter material. The police department shall maintain accreditation through a recognized law enforcement accrediting body. Commissioner Peebles, you think this government framework or policy? >> This one's actually kind of difficult to
be honest with you. >> It is. >> Yeah. I think that because that depends on if it's a law or not. >> I would I would say I would say this leans more towards the policy side of things.
>> Okay. Um I put this one in intentionally because it is difficult. Uh reasonable people can disagree. Some may view as accountability mechanism. Others may view it as an operational requirement. The purpose is not to find a right answer. The purpose is
demonstrate that not every issue fits neatly in one category. Almost everything we discuss is important. The question is not is this important? The question is does this define government framework. Those are two very different questions.
At the end of the day, we won't all want the same thing. A government that works, a structure that's fair, and a charter that doesn't change every time personalities or priorities shift. The test we discussed tonight is straightforward. If removing a provision tomorrow would not change the structure
of Linhaven's government, then it belongs in policy, not in the charter. That principle protects all of us. It protects future commissions, and most importantly, it protects the residents who expect stability from their government. At the end of the day, I think it comes down to two simple
questions. Does it define the framework of government or does it direct how government operates? That distinction should guide our analysis. A strong charter protects a framework of government. Strong policies allow us to govern effectively within that
framework. Both matter. Both are essential, but they serve different purposes. And our responsibility is to keep those purposes clear. Good governance requires a charter that endures and policies that adapt. Our job is to honor that balance. If we keep
that balance clear, we strengthen the institution, not just the moment. My goal tonight isn't to tell anyone how to vote on any upcoming proposals. My goal is simply to give us a framework that helps us to evaluate future charter amendments consistently and
thoughtfully. And with that, that's the end of my report. Thank you. >> Thank you, Commissioner Warick. Commissioner Tinder, last but certainly not least, ma'am. >> Okay. Is anybody still here? A few people. Okay. Um, and for the sake of transparency, this is my first question.
And if I missed this, I apologize um, because of being out. Where are we with the lawsuit with James Finch against the city? Where is that standing right now? >> We should We'll have a >> Hold it. What do you mean we can't talk
about it? We approved it. Has he been paid or what? >> There will be a settlement resolution brought before the commission June 23rd. So, next meeting, right? Is that next meeting? June 23rd.
>> Okay. I was just uh curious about that. I saw he was here and then he left. Um that was one thing I wanted to know for the sake of being transparent. Um and uh Commissioner Peoples, I
thought we had talked or you had talked and I'm just clarifying this for me too. Were you talking about having the concerts in the park sponsored by local businesses? >> That was just an example of something we can do. Yeah, >> because they're fairly expensive, aren't they? What do we pay for a concert in
the park? >> The city artists can run from um $500 to $2,000. Uh there's not there are audiovisisual costs that vary dependent upon what
equipment is needed. I cannot give you a an estimate of what the overtime costs are for police and fire. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Primarily the hard costs are the artists themselves. >> Yeah. Okay. Um, that was just another
question I had because I thought you had discussed it and um, I think there's a lot of places that we can get other people to sponsor um, to save a little money, but I could penny to death everybody. You know what
I'm saying? $100 here, $100 there. But I know we're looking for big money. And if I could ask you, Kiki, can you clarify for me one more time the cost of flock? >> $12,500
per year. >> Per year. And And did you understand, Mr. Switzer? He's already left. Did you understand his explanation of 72,000? Where did that come from? >> I did not. I was hoping to reach him before he left the building. If he gives
me a vendor name, I can certainly look it up for him, but I was unfamiliar with what he was referencing. >> Okay. Okay. So, I can I I'll just check with him, too, and see what the deal is there. I just feel like um uh I don't
even know if I should say this. I'm already being sued, so what the heck? Let's go for it. Um, just like this lobby out here, when that lobby was all done, I learned about that from a customer who walked into the cafe and said, "Oh, have you seen the new lobby?"
I go, "No, what are you talking about?" "Oh, we've got photographs. We've got all kinds of stuff." I said, "No, I don't know anything about it." And I truly did not. Now, I can miss things. I'll be the first to admit that. My head goes in too many directions, but
I agree with Corey 300%. Let's paint over the whole darn lobby and not have it be about certain people. If we want a wall to A lot of people in this city have dedicated a lot
of time um to things that go on here. So, let's give them a a wall somewhere and put their photographs up just like we have our past mayors and put what our mission is in a frame so it can be changed if it gets changed. I
think some things are so important to us as individuals and other things are not. Now, I spent my day today on the phone talking about Mowed Highlands Comcast digging up water in people's yards and things like that.
Um, I listen, but I got nowhere as far as you know. Uh, I I don't think it's acceptable. And yet, we have no control over Comcast. And I assume it was Comcast's employees. The people that were out there doing the work didn't speak
English. And so, when homeowners were coming out asking, "What's going on here?" The person says, "Here," and hands him a telephone because he can't speak English. I I there's just certain things that I
think we can protect our residents from that maybe we're not and I don't know if it's we're not doing it intentionally but maybe we should look into things like that things that um you know I said it before but alcoholic
ball games for kids and stuff like that. I do understand uh uh the last city manager, Miss Gainner, you had to pay it was hundreds of dollars for a permit to have a party at your house. You had to come in and get a permit. You had to list what food you were serving, what
kind of alcohol you were serving, was there plenty of parking, and if there was going to be music, you had and you paid for that permit in order to have a party at your house. I'm assuming that's gone. I haven't heard anybody complain about it lately. I've never I've never
heard of that. >> Oh, really? Oh, I saw it happen on my street. Matter of fact, the police department came down to my street because they had both sides of the street with cars parked that were attending a party. So, maybe she just implemented it and nobody ever did it. I
don't know. But anyway, I just feel like the all the wishy-washy and this is me speaking being housebound for way too long. um all the wishy-washy stuff that I might think is wishy-washy that
we talk about and whatnot. This is our group of people who want to hear right to the bitter end right here. 12. And I think we need to get in touch with what is important. You know, I know
more about uh Corey Langford's garden he's planting than I do half of what half of what we talked about. The the audio is a real issue here. Um when you call in and I hate that I had to. So, I would have been here if they would have
had to carry me tonight, but and and Dave, I know you look like you feel bad, but you're a nice person. You're a good man. And we all have our breaking points and we all have a lemon limit where our temper will kick in.
Mine does. Um I don't think I've really displayed it here, but try to be good. Anyway, I don't really have a report. I'm thrilled to be back and uh but I want to do good. I don't want to just come and spend two hours,
you know, doing whatever. We're only paid $511. I mean, it's not like I'm getting rich billion up here. Um, unless you guys know somebody good to invest our money with. Um, but I'm glad to be back and thank you for everybody's
support. And I welcome the emails. I welcome the phone calls. Um, if I can do something about it, I will always try and if I can't, I just have to tell you I can't or this is what I did and and that's where it ends. So, thank you.
>> Thank you, ma'am. I was glad to give you a big hug. Glad to have you back tonight. And you look great. You look like you feel a lot better. >> Oh, I feel a lot better. Yeah. I got a few more weeks to go and that's it. >> That's awesome. City manager, >> nothing to report. Just a um shout out
to staff. Um just reminder of appreciate everything they do. There's a lot of tough conversation that's going to happen the next few months and uh their work doesn't go unnoticed and uh they are definitely underappreciated uh for what they go through and what they do. Any questions for Miss Roman on the
check report? >> We're going to have lots of questions and lots of discussions. Um I think Mr. Langford called hit a gut punch earlier in some of his comments and that's pretty dead on. Um
you're going to be a very popular person for probably very unpopular reasons, but thank you for what you do and what you're going to do as we try to plow through this budget season. >> Thank you. It's absolutely my pleasure. Um I am encouraged again that we are
starting so early in the season because there are so many challenges in in front of us. We need time to come to consensus of what changes will be put into place for next year's budget. And I think we've got enough time to do that.
And may I I don't know if I'm adding on to yours or whatever, but I know um and I don't remember when this happened, but I felt like we were promised a list of employees. >> M commissioner Tener, I believe you're
referring to the salary study. Yes. Um it is not complete yet. It's about 75% done according to their latest report and once it's done, we will provide that to the commission. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> Thank you. So, nothing else. City manager,
city attorney, our caboose. Last but certainly not least, >> no report, mayor. All right. Well, thank y'all. It's been a long meeting. Uh, but y'all have a good night.