e e e e e e e e e calling our meeting to order at 9:01
a.m. this time we have the invocation by chaplain Frank Stevens followed by the Pledge of Allegiance remain standing for the of Allegiance afterward heavenly father I thank you for City commissioners and their faithfulness as they discuss the
business of Len Haven I speak your blessing over them a blessing of wisdom and discernment as they conduct the business of the city I give you thanks for them as they have the responsibility to watch over and guide this city of living Haven I thank you Lord that you bless
our city with leadership that pursues what is best for the citizens of Lin Haven I also speak your blessing and protection over our police our firefighters and also over our city employees as they Faithfully serve the
the residence of lhen I speak this in your Holy Name Jesus amen I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation
under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you at this time we have public commentary uh Mr Anthony cornette with the American Red Cross okay all right got it Miss uh Amy
Cobb yes ever had to do and I didn't know when to come up so um we're I'm here just to represent East 24 Street um I know that I'm not a actually I don't live in the city limits but my road is obviously maintained by the city um they did a
study not too recently and I've talked to she Ramy about some things I know it was kind of excessive um on the other one we just want something of a resolation um the big massive speed bum that was there before yes was a very deterrent um it was a little too aggressive we had people that basically
stopped and then peeled out because I would have been upset it was a very aggressive thing to you had to completely stop instead of just slowing someone down maybe in in the assom so you know we're just wanting something to maybe deterrent on that um we've had a
couple of dogs that have been run over or other things and it's been aggressive enough that I don't want that to be one of these children that are walking or us as we walk down the street because there's not really a side medium or anything like that so you know we're just trying to make it so something doesn't happen that we really are going
to regret um in the long run of anything so and that's really about it really appreciate y'all very much right thank you Jeremiah cob sorry I didn't know I was going to be speaking basically the same thing um
we've had multiple issues with speeding up and down our road for we've been living there for 10 years now we've had multiple issues with vehicles ended up ending up in ditches multiple dogs hit um we have been brushed by Vehicles
walking up and down the road y'all have done a wonderful job of giving us a walking park that is two blocks away from my road and I can't even allow my children to go to that Walking park by themselves because they have to go two blocks on 24th Street uh biggest problem is just the
speeding we they turn on the road there's no deterrence it's a good straightaway it's a awesome drag strip if I was 18 20 years old I'd love it too but I'm not anymore I have children and I just somehow need the people slow down
uh I have stopped several people and they get mad at me and they spin off but we've got to get something for our children be able to even be around the road to stop the speeding so that's
basically why we're here thank you thank you Thomas Steel yes I I live on 24th Street too I've been there since 1983 and this has been a pretty big problems on this road from day one that I live there my puppy was
one that was run over the first one and uh I see people walking their like Jeremiah said going their children on you know riding their bicycles and stuff and the people just don't care I mean you have to get off the side of the road they don't even move over for you if you're in the road and uh that's about
all I got to say it's just it's been ever it's been a problem from day one and would you just like to see something done try to slow them down a little bit we know people get in a hurry to go to work and come and homework they want to get home we understand that but just give us a little respect for the people
that live on that road thank you thank you Miss Jerry Parker good morning commission hold on this is this is going to be rough um I want to talk about the elections a little bit because I know they're coming up and um I know the rats
are coming out of the woodwork um there's mudslinging going on there's name calling going on not just in Lin Haven but all over um I want to talk about somebody that's running that's called maror never heard of this person never heard of him before never saw him
at a commission meeting never see him in public commentary really don't know who he is but I do know this um donations and it's an interesting thing forehand Selena Aldridge H is this a ringer to
put in to take away votes from another candidate never never been in a commission meeting to my knowledge another thing is this commission seems to be a go along to get along and move on mentality yet the past is part of the future and if you continue to ignore the
obvious facts you're no better than the person sitting next to you I met with four of you facts about corruption and it was ignored what did you do with those facts did any of you read them did any of you say hm this don't sound right
no one person did that's Jamie War shows integrity work's been ostracized by this very very panel because of speaking the truth and exposing corrupt behavior and none of you none of you
have backed him up Sam you at one point did but then you fell by the wayside the idea of what is right and what is wrong is very diluted by this commission majority
also our mayor has called War a liar been openly con condescending to him and treated him in an unfair manner our city manager also has insulted a City Commissioner lied to the FBI about a Lin
Haven citizen that would be me why to make me shut up but judge Walker in federal court he cut that out real quick mayor if you call yourself a pastor and repeatedly throw the race
card you might want to have a heart check when do I throw the race card if you'll stop the um commentary please no I mean you you're now directing a comment towards me so when do I throw the race cardan you're bring
you have thrown the race card in in in in in reference to that vote war and tnder on a before April 22nd to clean this city up also Gordon Andrews and Mike Gordon has filed lawsuits thank you
that's your time thank you additional public commentary all right have our Proclamation for American Red Cross month 2025 whereas doing American Red Cross month in March we recognize the compassion of people in Lin Haven and
reaffirm our commitment to care for one another in times of Crisis and whereas this generous spirit is woven into the fabric of our community and advances the humanitarian Legacy of American Red Cross founder Clara Barton one of the most honored
women in our country's history who nobly dedicated herself to alleviating suffering and whereas today kind-hearted individuals in our community exemplify Barton's commitment as they step up through the American Red Cross West Florida Chapter to provide a Beacon of
Hope for our neighbors in need through their voluntary and selfless contributions they make a life-saving difference in people's Darkest Hours whether it's delivering shelter food and comfort during disasters providing critical blood donations for hospital
patients supporting military families veterans and caregivers through the unique challenges of service saving lives with first aid CPR and other skills or delivering Aid and reconnecting loved ones separated by global crisis and whereas their support
volunteerism and generous donations are critical to our communities resilience we hereby recognize this month of March in honor of all those who fulfill Clara Barton's noble words you must never think of anything except the need and how to meet it and everyone to join in
this commitment and whereas we hereby recognize this month of March in honor of all those who lead with their hearts to serve people in need and we ask everyone to join in this commitment to strengthen our community now I Jesse Nelson in the city commission declare
the month of March 2025 as Red Cross month and encourage all of our citizens to support this humanitarian mission [Applause] thank you thank you all appreciate it we we all live here in Lin Haven as well so we appreciate what you do uh and thank
you and and what i' like to say for the American Red Cross is right now we we're we're prepping for hurricane season so if you have a community uh a church or a community center or something like that we'd love to come out and and and get folks prepared for Hurricane Season also
as well as the young ones we had what's called prepare with Pedro which is grades K through two we do uh learning for Home Fires and all sort of other hazards so if you would like to do that please give us a call at the American Red Cross 1800 Red Cross thank you'all so much for your help and for the proclamation
today right thank you again thank you for your service to our community and being there in our greatest needs so thank you all so much right moving on to our um marage report um
response to some of our public commentary uh thank you to the residents from the 24th Street for coming and um expressing your concerns in regards to the speeding in that area or to the traffic in that area we will be discussing that on agenda item number uh
11 so we'll be discussing that uh the speed study that was conducted on agenda item number 11 so we'll have more discussion on that at that time um in regards to to guess Miss Parker regarding facts about corruption and
such uh and ostracizing um commissioner War for speaking truth um it's in my opinion I don't think the commission has ostracized commission award for speaking the truth
or speaking his truth or his opinion he has you know that right to express his concerns or his his opinion about particular issues so he's done that do you feel ostracized commissioner Ward I really I don't even know what to
say um I don't want to answer it because but someone brought it up so okay yeah I do so why do you feel ostracized for example after the meetings you dart
out nobody rushes you out nobody doesn't not speak to you like this right here what you're doing right now I mean there's no need for it no no here's the thing someone in the community is bringing up the fact that
the four of us are ostracizing you so I I didn't mean the four of you I you yes so how am I ostracized in you you made accusations to me about some things such as so it has been
evidence and witness that you were there and I just asked a question no you made accusation about it but I mean I don't think this is the forum for it to be honest with you um it was brought up now we've talked about this already correct so um so all right
so you're right we've talked about it have you then going to the repan said hey the mayor and I have already talked about it mayor has come to me on several occasions we've already squashed it we're moving forward yeah I'm I'm not the one that brought this up what I'm asking is and I don't go out and bring
it up either I understand but to those that support you MH have you gone back to them or you're right so let your supporters know hey the mayor is already come to me and has already said hey guy yeah I just let let people let people
make their own decis ision it's not but now at this point people the public opinion is stating that we're ostracizing you or specifically as you said hey mayor's ostracizing you though that's what not was stated it was the four but now it's
mayor's ostracizing you right we've always had differences of opinion on various issues that wasn't ostracizing right um did we have differences of opinion on the chief Ry situation my only difference of opinion was hey let's
not discuss all these things publicly because it goes on record and if there's ever a legal matter that has to happen then that goes back to the record for that particular legal matter that was really my push was hey I'm not saying you don't have your opinion about it but
whatever we State even as we're talking now goes on public record right so let's be mindful and careful of what we say I didn't bring it up so I didn't bring it up your supporters brought it up all right I well I'm me to go control all them tell them hey I'm not I mean I
can't I'm not listen commissioner W I'm not saying that you have to control your supporters what I am saying though even as one of your supporters has said that silence is complicit therefore if you're not correcting the misinformation that's being spouted then it's complicit so the
misinformation is hey may or not have talked after meetings May and I have talked in a parking lot we've talked over here when you say hey mayor I have a concern about this we've talked right but but saying that you're implying I'm going out just spurting all this I'm not I didn't no no no no I didn't accuse you
of that I didn't say that what I'm saying is now that that is out and that is part of public opinion and a consensus for your supporters then that needs to be I would say if you want to be a man of
integrity you need to say hey that's not true that the mayor and I have already already reconciled whatever differences we've had and are moving forward that that's what I would say now again you're your own man you do your own thing but
if someone comes to me and says hey commissioner work XYZ then I'm going to say no that's not the case especially if I know it's something that is supposed to be you know dividing us and intentionally that's that's what it's here to do is to try to say well all of the Commissioners are against
commissioner Ward no one's against you I didn't say that I understand that your supporters did again you want me to go out and control all my supporters I'm not saying you have to control your supporters but it's communication if we're wanting to be a unified body but again that's on
you I well hold on a second so I when was the last time on the commission that I've talked about Chief framing it's been a while I've let it go okay I've also let the other stuff go I haven't brought that up so you kind of
turn trying to turn around on me like it's like I'm responsible hold on hold on hold on let talk now let me talk okay well hold on see that that's that's why we always go back and forth in debate I'm a man just like you so I respect
[Music] you I don't yell at you I don't get loud with you so I'm listening again I I don't think this is the right forum for this I don't I I'm trying to let it go I'm trying to let it go but you're bringing it back now I
understand someone from okay I'm trying to talk go ahead just just let him talk okay let's let's talk about something you want to talk about something let's talk about talking he's talking to me I got what you're saying but he didn't say you ostracized
him he said I did I I so I got it thank you I mean yeah someone came up here and brought it up I don't plant that seed I don't try to do anything I don't I don't play those
games and I think you know that but I mean you're making it sound turn around like this is something that I have to address and I have to say this and I have to I don't have to say anything I'm not saying you have to
address it you're saying that I've already addressed it okay it's done deal as far as I'm concerned now you're now you're trying to bring it back up I understand someone else brought it up but now now you're I asked that you feel ostracized by the four of us you said no
that you feel ostracized by me correct and I said why do you feel ostracized by me I speak to you every time we come in don't get a chance to speak to you before after commission meeting cuz you leave as soon as commission me got things to do too I mean if someone wants to stop and talk to me I'll stop and talk to him I have no problem with that
I mean so I mean and the reason I'm bringing it up publicly because seemingly the private conversations or the conversations we've had outside of the meeting aren't getting to the public not saying that they have to go to the public but seemingly that has not been
communicated to the public so therefore this was brought up publicly so we do need to address it publicly so that it can be stated if nothing else hey the mayor and I have already talked okay mayor and me have already talked and I've I've let it go and I and I haven't I haven't done
anything since then I haven't you know brought it up and and and that since that time we had that one meeting where you made accusations I haven't I haven't brought it up since have I not that I
recall no then why are we talking about it because some someone brought it up today someone brought it up today and again that was last year but someone brought it up today well maybe it sounds like you need to have a talk with them not a talk with me then well I'm
speaking to you cuz you're their they're your supporters again I can't control every resident of Lin Haven say you need to stop that that's that's not my job n i I don't understand why you're making a big deal about it I'm not making a big
deal you are actually you are actually I I just asked a question did you feel ostracized and you said you feel ostracized and I answer the question okay right how do I make you feel ostracized all right I'm done I'm done
I'm not talking about this anymore we no no no no I'm done talking about okay I'm asking how do I make you feel I'm not going to sit here and argue with you we got a meeting we got business to do okay let's carry on this this is part of our business so you isolate yourself and that's fine
all right commissioner pees no hold on no you said you're done commission no no no no no hold on you don't you don't get to say that that's not right know why don't I get to say that so now I'm not isolating myself you're making now that I say something I'm wrong you get to say
what you want to say but now that say something I'm wrong when I say hey address your community address your supporters you can't control that but now you want to control what I say no you're making it out to something that not to be that's not that's not
it you're you're making it sound like oh you're going to isolate yourself no that's not what I'm doing what you're doing is you're making everybody feel uncomfortable you're making a big deal out of something that I thought was a done deal it done deal until you supporters brought it people brought it
up today I thought we had moved on from it yeah Mr Mayor let's move on please I agree I think do you guys all agree let's carry on okay we got business to do no no no no stop interrupting me stop
interrupting okay go ahead cuz every time I talk you keep interrupting me and what you're doing is you're trying to bait me to try to get me upset that's what you're doing oh no you're doing it again stop interrupting let me talk I'm not trying to bait you there you go again stop interrupting you interrupt people come
up here during public commentary and you R interrupt them all the time now hold on hold on if people make accusations towards me then yes for three years I've sat here and let people say what they want to say but you're not going to continue to make accusations that are false and not expect a
response so commissioner peoples all right so from my commissioner's report um for the past two weeks uh tended the opening day ceremony for uh baseball and
softball is fantastic uh both my kids are playing so that's great um I would like to say publicly for those that are watching the meeting please uh give the Umpire some Grace okay with without umpires we can't have a we can't have a league okay and
many of them are younger than I am um they're they're learning just like the some of them are brand new and they're learning just like some of our children are learning how to play ball so please give them some Grace um you can't have a league without umpires this league is the biggest it's ever been uh when I
played there was probably when I was younger and played there's probably only about a fifth of the kids playing that there are now and um so please give the Umpire some Grace I know they're doing a great job they're doing the best that they can same with the coaches too be nice to the other coaches uh they're doing it for free and a lot of times
they're donating their own time and money to uh help develop your children and other people's children uh to play better ball so I I would just say please give them Grace uh during this crazy amount of people playing we only have a limited amount of fields um
but so far the League's going great and I've really enjoyed my time with that and so of my kids um I hate that it rained in uh this past time because we've been on a real big roll on the trees so um going to do the
best I can to continue to communicate when we have more trees available uh last time the trees were gone in like 30 minutes so I'm sure that would have happened again if it wasn't raining um we had the league of cities quarterly uh dinner that was fantastic
uh thank you to commissioner war and all the other City Representatives that made that happen we had the county manager come out and talk about a lot of things including them potentially teaming up with us on the sewer plant so that was some great news and uh and uh some great
information and I'm realizing that I'm saying um and a lot I apologize with that uh that's my report um been fantastic last uh two weeks and I appreciate all the people that met up with me I met up with a lot of people these past few weeks talking about a
wide range of of concerns and and things that are going on in the city so I really appreciate it that's my report all right thank you commissioner perno thank you mayor um it was really nice to see y'all um
pay a little um little homage to Grady Mr Grady who's who's served as a umpire for many many years in linh Haven Recreation and see him throw out the first ball was was uh really neat and U I went off after that and watched a
watched a te- bball game those if you ever watch a t-ball game half of the game is lining them up at the end to to to high five each other and run the bases you know but they're learning the fundamentals and and in a in a in a in a way where
everybody's participating so I watched one young man get on his hands and knees and take the chalk from the foul line and kind of make sure it was straight you know you know real close you know so it was it
were there was there was uh I guess uh you can say there was humor but the it was it was very family oriented it was really really neat to see how not just the coaches were interacting the the the you know the moms and dads were there
you know those young ones really need a little guidance you know but but you know through the sport of baseball it it brought them all together and it was a great day and man it was overwhelming to see how many people participate it
really was but um I uh I just wanted to go on with the rest of my report and just mention briefly that uh I I I emailed Communications with the newsletter from the St Andrews Bay St Joe Bay Estuary program for this coming
month and they do they do tie talk at destination uh Panama City um and it's going to be I believe on March 13th this month um it it um uh but it's in the it's in the newsletter and I would hope that that uh it would be put into the minutes
of the meeting so it would be made public um also um the Estuary program in its existence has formed a 5013c
foundation uh by doing this um in the forming a foundation the um the EST program could raise money for for Grants and existence and and to entrench itself more in the community
awareness um I know you all know there's a state license plate program well this makes the Estuary program eligible to apply for that so locally we can buy a license plate to support our our Bay and waterways through the Estuary program
now um I was appointed uh secretary treasurer that that Foundation uh and it's only had two meetings but I'll report to the commission as as far as that goes and I'm also serving as the chair of the policy board for the St Joe
St an Bay esary program so with that being said and a and a huge thank you to everyone who's here whose voices are heard at every meeting um I I think we just had a little free speech a little more free speech than we needed but you
know it's uh it's one of those things uh um I I can't thank anyone anyone enough who comes to these meetings and wants to participate in in in this in the business of the city and the government um and our our law enforcement and our
our our emergency fire and our military you guys are on the front line of everything um I I I tell people you know I didn't ask to receive the the the the nightly and daily reports but
man my heart goes out to everybody in our city for what what happens every day in our city that doesn't make a newspaper but but affects a family and affects people and it affects the people that are the first on the scene the most probably in in in in a shock in a
retrospect um but I uh my my heart goes out to everybody there so that's my report and and uh you know there's a lot to be a lot to be said with uh with how you treat people you don't you don't know you know so we we can put our put
our squabbles aside and and take care of your neighbor thank you that's my report thank you commissioner Ward yeah so you know by the time it gets this in we usually talked about everything but yeah opening day of baseball was a great day
um it was a lot of fun I always enjoyed being part of that um as commissioner pebles talked about we had a Bay County League of cities meeting um yesterday and had a our guest speaker was the county commissioner he had a plethora information and one of the big things he
talked about was the uh the sewer plant uh with Len Haven um the possibility of us being able to connect to the one that's out off of 388 and uh I think uh if that comes to fruition I think that's going to be a really good deal for lin
Haven so we'll see how that happens cuz if you see our current sewer plan it it definitely is in dire need of being updated so um I think that would be a win win for everyone not just the county but for lin Haven
residents um I did have a question um I've been talking to a lot of residents and one of the things they they bring up to me is about storm water they're concerned about the assessment fee and I know uh Miss Myers you had talked about before if if couple of
people on the commission wanted to have like a city hall to talk about something we would just need a public size that is that right so um I don't know if commissioner Peebles is open to this or not but I know you're really interested in the uh
the different tier system in storm water I've been looking at some other options um I've been uh uh such as maybe putting it on the utility bill um I've been in contact with hia Florida which um they kind of got like a hybrid approach to
storm water than I've been looking at um but commissioner pebles would you be open and having like a city hall where you can kind of talk about how your perspective is and my perspective and we can open it up to the public and and get input from them as far as what they
would like to see sure I'd love uh the opportunity to meet with have a central spot where citizens can get feedback to and talk about what you've come up with because I think we all up here know that
the uh the process for storm waterers evolving so right yeah okay so um I guess just let me know good date and time and I don't know what the best way to publicize that do I get with a city
manager okay so I'll do that we'll do that and uh I think hopefully that'll be informative for the for the public um last thing I had was um I know we talked about the city rebuild having a workshop to talk about the the status of that do
we know when that's going to be no sir we do not as soon as we pull up all information together we are still dealing with FEMA and what they're giving for insurance or taking away from insurance before I put that information out there okay thank you and appreciate
like commissioner per always says appreciate all First Responders staff everything you do for a city thank you commissioner V Griff um I would be interested in the workshop
too sure absolutely thank you you all actually asked me to make sure I put the workshop together in either March or April um for this so that you can discuss it again so that was my plans anyway well I think I'm still going to
be around in March and April yes [Music] ma'am all right I've got a couple comments [Music] um I I just think it's extremely inappropriate for someone to come up and
Bash someone that's running for office I don't even know the person that was referred to I do know that I received donations from the people that she mentioned and not one time have they
ever asked me or tried to influence my vote because they know that I am an intelligent female and I can make up my own mind um next I would just like to say
um I dis agree with him all the time he knows it we even joke about it um but like I said we're intelligent we can we have our own opinions and I've as I've say stated
many times I make my decision based on what I think is best for the city not what I think just personally Judy Vandergriff so with that I'll turn it back to the mayor thank you um city manager thank
you all for for continuing to host the uh food truck festival I know it was dreary weather that day but it was still a good turnout um definitely love the presentation at the end uh with the fire and and all of that and so that was that
was pretty neat but uh still had a variety of food trucks that were out there and so I think that was uh that was really good as well so thank you for not allowing the weather to uh to cancel that that appointment for us as a city or that event for us and still had some
residents from other communities I saw some from Callaway some from Panama City uh they came out to support that event as well and to the staff that continue to make sure that was an excellent event and put on very well thankful to them as
well yes so am I scheduling a workshop for everyone or just two Commissioners in April I'm fine with everyone I think you should invite stantech if we're going to get Commissioners opinions we should know what the whole city is doing and
presently you know I think it should be a city Workshop so but that's just me you know I gu I guess my original idea was you know I think me and commissioner pees have difference of opinion on it and kind of
both present our ideas and kind of get input from the public of you know cuz I know someone had brought it up there in public commentary they would prefer to have it monthly as opposed to yearly me I don't it doesn't matter to me it's a wash either way if I got to pay the same amount the end of the year as opposed to
broken down but I think some people they you know they live month-to month and it's more important to them so that's kind of what I'm looking at would we be able to do let's say a
public workshop on the 25th we have commission meeting at 5:30 maybe look at doing a a public Workshop like 4 at 4 yeah and then um to your point making sure there is an
opportunity for the community to have input so we might limit let's say our discussion from maybe 4 to 445 4 to 5 and then just make sure there's enough time I know sometimes with our public workshops we do all the Talking you know
publicly but ensuring that there's a a time allotted for the public to give input and you know you and commissioner peoples you all can lead the discussion as commissioner per also said along maybe with Stant Tech being here to give us some feedback on what both of those things may look like but um so that
that's an idea uh and that'll get us we'll have that in March so I'm thinking the 25th at at 4M and that just ties right into our commission meeting are you open with that okay yeah yeah that works for me commissioner perno
commissioner B that I love to be there everyone's invited any questions about warrant [Music] LS I don't have any okay thank you we're working together to put
together a soccer soccer introduction Series in March no we don't have soccer fields but we really want uh to kids to be involved in all different types of sports So Justin's working to put together something there getting ready for summer basketball adult vol
registration closes on March 18th our big Art in the Park is March 24th um from 4: to 6:00 p.m. in Sheffield Park and remember that is a huge event have to get there early um one of our um arts
and aparts we ran out of canvases then that's how huge it is uh Easter egg hunt is April 12th at 9 a.m. yes there have been lot of talk about the Iration Fountain that's been installed at
cheffield Park in our retention Pond it keeps it does two things it really definitely does keep away the algae and it just it's a beautiful site to see people come by and just take photos of it um at night you will see the
different color lights that um that light up in it itself and it is very very beautiful um and so also there were for uh some damage to uh Porter Park playground equipment and that is going
to be installed today um and ready for the community to enjoy this weekend hopefully um Ben and I met with owners of off Florida Avenue and let me be very specific um these owners who we met with
were Property Owners where when we do the revitalization of Florida Avenue those owners were actually be affected by uh the revitalization of that particular area
and uh really great positive feedback uh ask us to tweak a couple of things we we've already sent that back to our designers and working on that um but they were very excited to see uh just the the revitalization and redesign of
some of that that area our next phase is that we will have a public Workshop to talk a little bit more about um this project it's been going on for several years it is a grant is a $4.3 million Grant uh that's going to help um just
you know beautify Florida Avenue make it uh a place where people want to hang out as you know we don't particularly have a downtown but I Envision that it is truly a diamond and a rough and we can do so many things with with the money we have
received uh from that Grant uh and then lastly we have put out a uh a counter on 17th Street that was mentioned last week that there's lots of speeding there so we put that counter out just to see what
what the speeding looks like there uh we know that there are a lot of um cars that come through simply because of course King Griffin sits right in the middle of it we have a huge baseball softball league that's going on now more
than we've ever had so that means that there are going to be more people out um there are going to be uh uh lots of cars out and so we are encouraging folks we just put together a really nice parking
lot off of Iowa and 16th and we noticed that people were still parking on the sides of the road which in really really inhibits the driving uh scene people seeing left or right coming off of uh sometimes Illinois so we're encouraging folks
to please fill up the parking lot on Iowa and 16th I know it may be just a little bit of a walk but it's surely for safety reasons as well and so U commissioner commission will be bringing back uh that data as well maybe in the
next couple of weeks to let you look at that and uh that is my report right City attorney report all right approval of our regular meeting minutes from 2:25
25 any corrections for this is there a motion for this move to approve motion by commissioner perno second by commissioner Peebles see the manag if you call the vote commissioner perno yes Peebles commissioner Peebles
yes commissioner VRI yes commission W yes mayor Nelson yes motion passed uh old business discussion and possible approval to appoint uh Mr do little to the Planning Commission board I know last meeting um believe it was commissioner work that tabled this to
this to this time here and so uh do you have any comments for today yeah so hopefully everyone had an opportunity to talk to both candidates as I stated before I think they're both outstanding individuals and you know for someone to want to volunteer and be activly
involved in the city says a lot about their character um but I um talk with some of the other cities and kind of see how they do it and um normally what other cities do is they advertise it I don't believe this one was advertised
was it we no do we have any policy that talks about this at all yes we we can advertise that when there are openings and there are not people in the waiting and that has been the traditional policy of it is that there's a list of folks
that are in a waiting then those are the folks that um we go to first uh and then uh as people put in their applications we keep their application and we always talk to them and ask them um would you consider working on other boards um and so yes
the answer to your question is when they're openings and there are no applications in a waiting we do advertise okay all right um are there any questions for Amanda so um can I get a
copy of that policy sure yeah cuz I haven't seen it yet no um I don't know if there's a policy I've never seen a policy it's just it was practice when um former city managers were here if we
needed to we would have to a back then it was hard to get people actually thinking about it to sit on boards um and so when we had a vacancy if someone left aboard we usually had to advertise it and we would put it on the sign thing that we had out there on the road I don't know if you recall we would advertise vacancies out there we put it
in the News Herald um and but then one what started happening was we would get V we would have vacancies on the Planning Commission and the board of adjustments people didn't want to sit on the board of adjustments we would get people um applying for the Planning Commission but we' have too many apply
for the Planning Commission and so we would kind of like interview them a bit and then um the city manager said well you just kind of pick out the ones that you think and then bring them to us and then we'll make the final decision so we would do that for the planning board but then what we started to do because we
couldn't find people for the board of adjustments um he told us to go ahead and ask the people who applied for the planning board if they wanted to sit on the board of adjustments and so if they if they said yes then the understanding was if they had applied for the planning
board but were willing to sit on the board of adjustments when positions came available on the planning board if they still wanted it we would put their name in um if that we had nobody wanting to sit on the planning board we would advertise it so for instance now one of
these people if one of these two people is selected to sit on the Planning Commission we'll have a vacancy on the board of adjustments which we would have to advertise for normally however we do have a lady who had we didn't advertise the Planning Commission uh vacancy but
somehow I guess someone told her that there was going to be a v that the uh um there was going to be a vacancy on the planing commission and so she submitted an application after the packet had already been sent to the city manager's office so I explained to her the procedure and asked her if she wanted to
sit on the board of adjustments because we have a vacancy so like if you all want to set a policy you can all set one but we don't have a written policy that was just the standard practice and so what I was going to do is is have the ladies sit who sit on the board of adjustments but if you don't want us to
do that if you want us to advertise then we can advertise but she thought she was going to sit on the board of adjustments and then she'd be eligible for Planning Commission eventually okay does that make sense em there is a policy in place for there is I did not know that I was
just told that by the city manager yes okay I'm so sorry for wasting your time no no worries I mean that's why we talk about these things right um yeah I'd like to look at that and probably uh discussing on the commission to see if this is the policy we want to abide by
or if we want to make any changes to it but does it say that we have to select this person or is it still up to us I know you guys have to approve every Advisory Board member that we come that I know it says that that you have to
approve it okay because um because I think we bring everything every yeah that's in the code that you have to appoint the person which is why we bring them to you yeah but the actual how we get that person I've never seen a policy on that I was just told by the city
manager what to do okay so like I said I hope all the other the other Commissioners and the mayor are able to have an opportunity to sit down with both the candidates um seeking with both of them um I just thought Mr um what's the other one
clubs is um I I think with his experience he's actually a developer he's not a big developer uh he's a small developer he he's worked in another cities and kind of see how things Works he's he's in the real estate also and I think with that knowledge that he has I
think would be very beneficial to the planning board um so with that I I'd like to make a motion to approve Mr clubs to the planning board right there's a motion on the floor to approve Mr clubs to the Planning
Commission is there a second for that all right I'm going to Second it for discussion because I want to talk about it more um so is that cool if we talk about it now all right cool so I really like both
applicants I think both of them are excellent I've talked to both of them and I want to ensure that both of them get there as soon as possible and I think that had we had a policy in place to already that was more clear uh or at
least we had done more research on the policy um before uh the applicants had put their application in then I would have said okay maybe we have a more like straight up one-on-one voting because like like you stated Mr clubs is is very
qualified for the position but I think the fact that kind of the people that had already put their name in the Hat had been given the assumption that it'd be in weight meeting I feel like the best way forward would
be assign Mr dittle and then officially make Mr clubs the second one in waiting and then in the next meeting we put an agenda item to iron out exactly the policies and procedures that we want to do going
forward kind of like grandfather in the old thing we're doing um do it that way and then next meeting we'll ensure that both Mr dittle and Mr clubs are going to have a spot on the Planning Commission and then moving forward we'll have their grandfathered in and we'll have a new
policy uh ironed out next meeting and then we all know we're on the same page going forward how we want to handle this because it is very rare that we've had more than one applicant um but this will kind of just put it on paper that we've all five of us up here have looked at
and agreed on that that's the route we want to take going forward yeah I think either one's going to do great I just felt Mr clubs was a little more qualified I did not meet with uh Mr CL I'm I've talked with him in previous
other settings so I am familiar with his with his background as you've uh as you've clarified I did get a chance to meet with Mr dittle was certainly um very impressed about his understanding of policy and code and thought he would be a great fit uh for the for the
planning commission having already served on the board of adjustments though they're not as they don't meet as frequently as the Planning Commission but um from some of the things that he described and which they've had to make decisions on uh he's very engaged in that process and seemingly I think he
would fit well into that uh into that position um so I you know do like what commissioner pebles is stating and that is something that we can work on begin to iron out in our next commission meeting in regards to what that policy
looks like for uh for selection to the to the Planning Commission um there is a any other discussion on this particular motion from would you be willing to modify your motion to what I
said we we have to vote now on Mr clubs on his motion right so the motion now is to vote on Mr clubs um if we move forward that motion then we vote it up or down I would like to continue discussion
if I may uh that at the last meeting what exactly what Mr Peebles stated I had stated uh from talking to Mr clubs um briefly talking to Mr dittle because Mr clubs said if anybody else had to be on
the planning board I I would I would choose Mr D little I think they both respect each other um and when I was talking to Mr clubs I said I would I would make the recommendation which I did at the last meeting that he be the be the person in
Waiting the the first person up for the next opening um by tradition policy however it is Mr dittle is is up for that now so I um you know I would I would support exactly what Sam said
because it falls in line with exactly I I think what the gentleman agreement is between the Two Fellas who were on the board of adjustment and who who's up for who's up for the planning board now so and I Al I also want to say I talked to Miss Miranda Barnes who was out of the
public she wasn't on a board but wanted to serve on the planning board and she graciously accepted a spot on the on the board of adjustments and she un I believe she had a full understanding of the process once it was brought to her and I think she would also be an
excellent person for the planning board and she's eager to want to get on the planning board I think that puts us in a in a great light for keeping our planning board filled I wish all of our other boards would be filled as easily you know but the planning board is a very active very intrical part of the of
the moving of the building and development of our city so I thank everyone who wants to be on it and uh but my personal feelings is I would support Mr D this time so you have any and I'd want Mr clubs to be the the you know the the guy on
Deck the baseball to commissioner V Griff all right commissioner Ward you want to move forward with this motion yeah let's move forward with the motion I obviously I know what's going to happen and then commissioner PE probably make his motion
then we'll vote on that if that's okay right any comments from the public City manag if you call the vote commissioner War yes commission Peebles no commissioner perno no commissioner
VRI no mayor Nelson no um motion failed um is there another motion for agenda item number nine yeah I'd like to make a motion I'd like to make a motion to appoint Mr dittle uh to the Planning Commission with Mr clubs getting the
next spot when available and I would also like to add that there will be an agenda item on the next uh commission meeting to iron out or establish a new policy for applications to the planning
board is there a second for this second the motion right is there additional discussion right any discussion from the public see the manager if you call the vote commissioner pebles yes commissioner perno yes commissioner War
yes commissioner VRI yes mayor Nelson yes motion passed moving on to agenda item number 10 first reading of ordinance 1178 Milestones inspection city manager
if you read that by title only please you want me to read it first and okay got it an ordinance of the city en Haven amending the city code of ordinances related to building and building regulations establishing certain requirements for Milestones
inspections providing for enforcements repealing all ordinances and parts of ordinances and conflict here with providing for severability providing for codification providing for an infected date right thank you City attorney in
response to the Surfside condom collapse the Florida legislator legislature passed a Florida statute requiring Milestone inspections for uh Condominiums and residential co-ops that were three stories or more a milestone inspection happens on your 25th
anniversary of your um certificate of occupancy um that statute authorizes cities and counties as the local enforcement agencies to pass their own ordinances to establish certain timelines and penalties to enforce this
statute so what you have um before you is a recommendation from City staff that adopts all of the requirements of the statute but also imposes additional timelines and penalties for compliance are there any additional questions for the City
attorney thank you right moving on to agenda item number 11 uh this is for discussion uh regarding the traffic safety committee's finding on the traffic study for Dundee in 24th Street in M Highlands uh city
manager yes um mayor back in 24 you asked us to come back in 25 to do another study for uh dunde in 24th Street and of course we have did have some phone calls from residents uh on
24th Street um and emails and some of them are here today so we did go back and do ReDiscover dundy and 24th Street um and at reviewing the data U of course the traffic common Safety Committee met
and that consists of the city manager chief of police chief infrastructure director Public Works um and U we looked at the data as you can see here um and there's surely still some some speeding
that that uh is occurring on both of those streets and you know there are three option as we said in this report we can leave the road and do nothing uh we can install uh radar signs with a cost of
$21,000 or we can install speed bumps um that are less aggressive at $5,000 all right thank you for uh submitting this report to us so that we can review it and provide some feedback uh any questions on how to
interpret this what were the three options again they were do nothing or install a radar um that radar those radar signs are 21,000 and then in install speed humps
with the cost of 5,000 that are less aggressive are those are those rate are those radar signs the same that are on the um 26th Street when you're driving um you know when you when you hit the four-way stop at Kaleidoscope and then
go up 26 those those are those are pretty good at keeping people slow down like CU they flash when you're over the speed they flash red and they actually show your speed and uh I see people I
see them as a deterrent and and and a um a way to slow people down um in a manner which they're visibly seeing their speed as they approach the sign and when it flashes red you know you're you're you know and then I consciously you know do
do slow down or try to hit the speed when I'm coming up on the sign it's fun little game I play in my head but anyway but it it it does bring people it does bring the speed down um um I know it's expensive um um is is it is it necessary
to install four cuz there's only two on on 20 6 Street and it's a way longer road than 24th and it'll be for 24th I think this is based on 24th Street and dunde it'll be on dunde as
well based on the uh the data I guess city manager could you or someone from the committee sort of review the data for us so we'll know what we're sort of what the highlights are that we should be looking at yes so um 85% of speed was at 32 M hour
95% of the speed um on Dundee was at 35 milph you had your highest speed at I think it was 56 miles hour that we had here on
dunde um you had a total of cars that the vehicles that went through was $ 8900 um and surely as you can see that um everyone is just about traveling over
the speed limit on dunde on 24th Street we had a total vehicles of uh 6,300 and um the maximum speed was 64 miles per hour per hour um and uh 85% of
the people were um going about 29 miles hour 95% were definitely over the speed limit at 34 mph okay um I do know one of the questions um that came previously in
regards to measuring this uh from Resident of Mo Highland specifically on the dund D side was the the wheel axles like for example if a trailer someone's pulling a trailer and you have of course your truck with
you know your your two axles and then the trailer is coming behind it and it's shorter so then with I guess the question that they've asked has been with that how would that be sort of uh interpreted in regards to the speed data because you have those axles that are so
close together and what it seemed like someone was speeding over at that point um with that or is would that not be consequential to to actually how the data was reported um I don't have a answer to
that Bobby do you yeah yes the the way that software works it identifies three axles it'll identify a semi it's the spacing of the tires is what it is so yeah it won't pick a
trailer up as extra vehicle got it and and if we installed speed bumps they wouldn't be like the last ones right what we're proposing are speed humps they're not as aggressive as speed bumps that were put there so the humps
those are the ones that are concrete no they're going to be portable like they were but they're going to be less aggressive they're they're wider and they're okay they're not that sharp yet like it is the others
were all right portable isn't they're they're screwed down no one can take them out yes they'll anchor down anchor down M right thank you uh so we heard from commissioner perno um any further
discussion yeah I got uh if there's data involved I'm going to be excited to look at it so I love data so thanks for putting this together um you know uh data when we look at data and statistics
it can it's really important to uh realize that statistics can I like to look at it as like a a tool in a toolbox and um to make a decision but that tool can be like a knife or a machete where if you use it properly it can be super
effective but if you use it improperly it can be devastating much like if you use the wrong speed bumps it could cause damage to vehicles or what have you and there are a few trends that I really noticed in this data one that e there
obviously a speeding in all the situation in in all the spots but East 24th was way worse than um thin Mo Highlands in terms of if you look there at the bottom it talks it has the uh you really start seeing a drop
off and speeding once you hit about 37 mil hour right so like dunde has speeding obviously and that needs to be helped but only about 2.8% of the people are going over 37 miles per hour when
you look at East 24th Street uh 28% of people are going over 37 miles per hour so to me that that shows how bad like if dunde is bad then 24th is really bad okay so just to keep that in mind but
the reason I'm kind of zoning in on the 37% one because the people that gathered the data did a really good job of pointing that out but also that you'll see that the average speed on most of these places is around 27 28
milph and so I was doing some research on uh ESPN baby uh I was noticing some U I did some research with the US Department of Transportation and what they recommend doing and um they kind of
It kind of lays out like humps versus bumps uh speed bumps are really used for if you're trying to get people to go in between like 2 to 10 miles per hour and we've kind of already established that we don't want to do that one thing that gives me a little pause on humps is it's recommended if you're wanting to slow
down the speed to around 15 mph what I found that would be more expensive that we may want to explore in the future is using what's called speeding tables and tables are only raised about 3 in off the ground they're much wider than a
bump and the goal speed for that is about 20 to 30 miles hour and I think that's really the speed that we're trying to get people to go to because that's around the speed limit right it's around 25 miles per hour is where these roads are so if we could get people to
encourage to go 25 mph using speed tables in the future I think that might be the route we want to go that wasn't one of the options that was given to us and I'm sure that everyone involved has looked at all that kind of stuff um but I just kind of wanted to uh point that out in case any of you all hadn't looked
at that I think speed tables if affordable may be the way to go especially since the the US Department of Transportation really recommends using those and the ones we did look at were a little bit wider and more of a
hump that they could go over right yeah yeah uh I guess one last thing is from a uh risk management standpoint when you're looking at the The Radars they
will slow people down however the a strict deterrent that's 100% a deterrent with no actual teeth like a speed bump that actually slows you down typically deterrence just keep the honest man honest someone that's
going to speed is going to speed you know so if you really want to actually slow people down the real bad people that speed all the time uh something that will actually slow them down would have more of an effect a deterrent will have some of effect but it won't have as
much of an effect it's the same thing like for example if you pull up to a navy base and there's a sign that says this is a US Government facility don't go on here well if I made a mistake and accidentally turn that down that road I'd say oh thanks I appreciate it and turn on go the other way if you
got like a terrorist or something that's trying to attack That Base that sign ain't going to stop them you know so I'm not trying to say speeding people that speed are terrorist I'm just using an extreme example so you can kind of get an idea an idea of what I'm saying but
uh that's my thoughts on the whole thing I like what you're saying I I just wanted to go back on I want I wanted to get a full understanding of of the of the signs and the impacts and the speed bumps but I just want to continue I want
to say that I support that at the cost of the bumps humps and I think um my my feeling is to install the humps and and to solicit the opinions of the people involved again in the in the near future
to see if that's having any effect um we're looking at a $5,000 expenditure or $221,000 expenditure and and physically I think the humps will have the effect to Slow Down Speed as well as the signs and it's less of an expenditure and just
to study the impact after that so yeah I I kind of like that because um you know I was talking about the tables but the tables are more of like a permanent fixture and we don't want to make like a drastic measure that cost a bunch of money without knowing for certain and and five grand in the big scheme of
things isn't a huge amount of money to do what commissioner perno is saying which is put them out there get the opinion of people involved if we have to do another study cool but that can kind of take a step in that direction to see if that's what we want to do like you
said they're not permanent right so we can kind of see and maybe um gauge it from there I think uh that would give us more information than the radars commissioner Ward
um don't quote me on this but I think I think there's different types of speed humps I think there are some that are designed for that speed range that you're talking about but again don't quote me it's been a while since I looked at this
um the one complaint that I get and I think this is probably part of the factor not all of it is you got delivery vehicles like UPS and FedEx and then you know nowadays you got door Dash and and those people going through trying to get
there as quick as possible I think that's probably part of the problem um but the other thing is you know we have a policy procedure in place I don't it's not really getting followed too well in my opinion so to me I guess my question
is do we want to follow this policy procedure or do we need to change it because if you read the way it is now they go by the 85% um I forget what that terminology median or whatever that um stat is and I
know fdot and uh it's used a lot for like streets as far as determining what the speed limit should be and things like that so do we need to change that because the way it's written right now it's considered minor and that requires
no remedial action except more police force and enforcement and things like that I think that's the discussion we need to have because if we're not happy with the policy procedures then we either need to De away with it or we need to redo
it and what page is that on that you're referring to uh it's uh page five so under traffic sa safety analysis classification you got class one which is minor excessive speed and volume it says measured speed
measured 85th percentile speed less than 10 mph above the posted speed limit so if you look at the above the 85th percentile on both of those I believe it's below 10 m an hour um and then remedial action says Public Works May
request the police department to increase enforcement on a random basis during the hours when the majority of speeding violation seem to occur uh volume peak hour volume e or less than 12% of the average daily traffic or equal or less than 10 daily trips per household assessed and then remedial
action none and then you have class two excessive speed and or volume speed measured 85th percentile speed of 10 mph greater in excess to the posted speed peak hour volume greater than 12% of the average daily traffic are more than 10 daily trips per household exess remedial
actions residents May petition for Speed humps and then there's a section on how to do the P petition got it I guess one of my questions would be um as I'm looking at the data so I do see what you're saying about the
85% would be what but then I see there's 95% and then that's higher than the 85 so then I guess it's is there any feedback on the difference between the 85 and 95 one of the things to keep in mind and Chris has talked about this even in the
last study the software is set at 37 M an hour the speed limit is 25 Chris can't back that down to 25 mil an hour to give you the accurate percentage that you're looking for so it's probably higher yes
sir so when you look at it at the very bottom of the page where it says speed limit Fields you see that they're using 37 mil an hour there so that's going to skew what you're looking at as far as what you're referring to Mr War okay so
I think the thing look at the true dat of what the speeds are and obviously that will raise that percentage because I even asked Chris I said can we not push that machine or force it to go to 25 miles an hour and he said the lowest
that it will go is 37 miles hour by default so the one on 24 Street is accurate then because that's a 30 mil an hour well it's still seven it's still obviously I I would like to set it at 30 to get a truly accurate reading but we
cannot lower it that low to get it it still ran at 37 M hour to give you these percentages do you believe it's above 10 miles an hour yes sir on both of them yes sir okay so then you know if we go
by our policy and procedures and the next step would be petition but but the the traffic Comming committee needs to determine what that base area map is cuz and I kind of like that idea and the reason I do it gets
the local people involved with it and then if there's like let's say there's a substantial amount of people don't want it you're that way you don't install them and then have to remove them later and I think what you're going to find out is most everyone's going to want it and I'm not against speed humps I'm just
looking from a policy and procedure perspective it's you know what's the sense of having it if we're not going to follow it and if we don't agree with it then we have the power to change it so do we wait for a petition from from the citizens is that if you read the policy
and procedure that's what it says is that something is there an HOA or something involved there or do we have to put hang stuff on everybody's doors or or what no no whoever the five signatures we got they're the ones that go out and get the petition okay so
there's a committee that goes around and solistes the here's what it says a petition form for obtaining neighborhood consensus for the recommended control measure will be issued by the public works department to the person initiating the request the contact person will receive a map highlighting
the area subject to petitioning the area map will depict the residential property that is adjacent to or directly affected by any changes to the road in question and then it's got timelines and what percent they need and things like that one of the things excuse me one of
the things it also says is that the common infrastructure can be initiated by The Neighborhood request regulatory agency which is the police or staff field review so any three of these can
uh initiate a request um and if we see that there is danger we're going to bring it to the commission and commission can decide whether they want us to move forward and I will openly make that request that we put in speed humps the less aggressive
ones that are removable so there's my formal request from the data that you have that's but that's to Mayor if I may yes sir I'm sorry I'm sorry go ahead sorry I know that the the
people in the back on the from 24th Street are are listening um and I know Comm what commissioner war is asking I just uh I just want to just you know I I don't know what's going to come of this
but I I I want to hear how you feel um after commissioner War speaks I want to hear how yall feel about getting getting any kind of petition or survey together to make to make this happen so we have no problem doing a petition
survey what have you but we do want to push one issue that even on uh line 11 here it says uh traffic study for dunde and 24th Street speeding issues in M Highlands I do want to separate and I
don't know how we need to do it 24th Street is not part of M Highlands Moet Highlands has nothing to do with 24th Street we are our own Street and I think that comes up because the residents like if you got 6,000 Vehicles then it's the
traffic committee ties it into m Highland cuz that's the majority of your traffic I think that's why it comes up I I understand that but I have to take a lot of other roads on a daily basis do I have say over what the people the residents on them roads we have about 20
houses on 24th Street so if there's any way that we can separate I mean I would be happy close the backend entrance to Mo Highlands Mo Highlands has three other entrances they can use I'd be Happ to put a fence up and nobody from m Highland use that uses
that road I know that's not going to happen but we are not M Highlands so we whatever petition we need to do whatever we'll do it but our petition needs to be our road our residents our neighbors and
that's what the petition would be sir it will be for 24th Street so that's why the studies were done separately I I just I know it keeps tying both us with Mo Highland so I just want to make sure that we're not part of that I think part of it was that the complaints basically
came in at the same time okay so that the 24th Street complaint came in around the same time we got complaints from Old Hollands but yes the petitions will be separate and then the decision will be separate based on what you have on 24th Street versus what you have on dund the
only thing we need to know from y'all is what y'all need us to do because we'll do it whatever y'all need whatever y'all need us to petition fill out go door to door we have no problem doing it we just need to know what we need to do well we have your contact
information on the is the signin sheet so if we just get your and I think we already have your information from emails and such so yes so we have your your contact info your number also have your email so someone from City staff will follow up with you on the the next steps in regards to the petition perfect
thank you yes sir yes hi I'm from Mo Highlands um and I also wanted to Echo that where I want to separate the two um I'm one of the I'm against the pumps and the humps because I have severe back issues that's the reason we bought into that neighborhood because it didn't have any humpster
bumps um I'm all for the cops coming and just giving tickets to the people who are speeding because I do feel like the ones that are speeding they're either if they are people that live in our neighborhood you give them a ticket once they won't do it again but if it's somebody like a driver again same thing
you start hearing hey that driver got a ticket they're not going to do it again and so I feel like your data showed that we have less speeding on our line than they they do so we should have it separated between two different things yes it'll be again it'll be
separated and addressed as different issues okay so one why can't we just go to having cops come directly before we go to petitioning fors we've done that before on several occasions um and and how many tickets
resulted from the cops being there I'm not sure of how many tickets resulted what happens is the police do come out the speeding slows for a moment citizens continue to call in saying that there's a speeding issue so then we've done that several times be interesting to know
like the data on that like how many times they've come out for in the since we've done the study or when we did the study because I mean I feel like the neighborhood slowed down when you put the humps in because everybody freaked out um and also I I've seen those that
the workers that come in on a regular basis I've seen them slow down the ones that come in not on a regular basis they're they're still going fast so I feel like if we did just have cops come it would help that issue even more so I
I just don't know when the last time I've seen a cop in the neighborhood I know some came out around Thanksgiving Christmas time that was last year before we had all this stuff happened before we had the Speed study yes because once we
took the speed humps out and then we said we'll conduct another speed study we did have officers to come out and did I believe give out some tickets at that time they were out M Highlands as well as on 24th Street and then we're bringing the study back because that's
what we said we would do which was the initial plan was to remove the speed HPS to see what the uh sort of what the speeding was doing or what was the new traffic pattern um for the neighborhood so this is our followup to what the traffic pattern is for the neighborhood
okay chief Ry can probably give you some information too we have worked that area and we have written citations but the proofs in the pudding you did the study before we put the humps out you've now done a study
after the humps have left you still have speeding thank you good morning Leon dande what's the comparison of this study to last study has it been done what's the percentage of speeding now compared to speeding last
time uh I think I heard that only 2.8% was over 37 what was the last time has a comparison been done when we look at the actual 85 to 95% those numbers are similar to what's happened LA to what
was going on last time observations from living on dunde when the speed humps or bumps or whatever you put in people slow down right then and they speed up to the next one so what you're trying to do is change people's
behavior somebody's going to speed pretty much going to speed so my observation from living on dundy is most of the people that live in our neighborhood are very observant of the children and dogs my dog got loose yesterday and I was chasing him and my
neighbors stopped to help me get him and he ran out in front of a car and the car slowed down and stopped and helped me because our neighborhood loves each other and is very helpful what I observe are those things
that you talk about ones that are deliveries and maybe nighttime and those kinds of things we really do want to change behaviors but the speed bumps and humps aren't always necessarily changing that
behavior so I agree with you that we want our neighborhood safe we want our children safe and I'm not sure that the intention of those speed bumps and humps are really going to do what you want it to do
I would like you to pull the neighbors because we already had one survey done and the neighborhood really doesn't want them I would like you to follow the policy if you will last time it wasn't
followed I don't think and it's very important to the neighborhood that you get in contact with them because I think the big problem they had last time is all of a sudden bumps were there and they feel
like they were not um communicated with before something was done and that's very important to them is that they get to be participative if you will in what happens in their neighborhood because that Community actually likes each other
which is a really good thing today and um I I ask you to take that in mind because for the most part the neighborhood is a very good community and I'd like it to stay that way thank you so much for hearing me I just say
something mayor she brings up a good point um when you look when I looked at speed humps and when you look at our policy um it says speed hump should be spaced approximately 300 to 500 feet apart and
there's a reason for that because I saw the the design the where they wanted to put the placement of it the first one's not until I figured it's about 1,00 ft so they the spacing is important because if they're spaced too far then they start becoming inefficient and the
person just goes up then they speed up the next one where if they're spaced close enough they don't have that opportunity so I think it might be a little bit more expensive but um if we do go with the the speed humps um I think that part of important to make
sure they're not too far spaced from apart from each other a good example of that and this is not the ones you you screw into the road but behind Bay County Sheriff's Office there's a a development back there and it's all asphalt but it's you it's very effective
because they're spaced they're not too far apart from each other got it so you're saying that if we move forward with what's on dund D then to um basically have additional speed humps so that we can make sure that that's there
all right um one question yes [Music] sir commissioner my name is Austin Andrews I live in M Highlands and I 100% agree that there's a speeding problem however I've been observing for
the past three months I'm retired I'm in and out of the neighborhood three four times a day major of vehicles IC speeding belong to FedEx UPS or Amazon deliveries and things of the nature not
residents now I'm not going to be naive and say there aren't residents that speed through the neighborhood because there are however I want to make sure if you're going to be putting speed calming devices in they comply with fdot
regulations from what I'm understanding the speed humps that are being described cribed do not meet fdot guidelines uh by fdot guidelines speed bumps shall not be used on public streets speed bumps are severe
treatments 3 to 6 in high and 1 to 2 feet wide that slow drivers to speeds of less than 10 miles hour they do describe what a speed hump is and it's 15 to 20 ft long if I remember correctly in fact
I can go back and look real quick they are 3 to 4 in high 12 to 14 ft long so I just want to make sure we don't get another version of a speed bump in there that doesn't meet statutory requirements
that damages vehicles and that still doesn't do the job my opinion is that enforcement is going to be required I am aware of an area in Callaway had a very similar problem they stepped up
enforcement for a good period of time and there are very very few speakers on that road anymore thank you thank you so um with this discussion uh I know commissioner work asked a question I
don't hear from the commission that there are any objections with us following through on the the policy we have Labor for us and so if we would uh see the manager of Staff would follow up with uh 24th Street as well as those
from dunde um but of course those are two separate petitions um in regards to getting petitions I guess identifying probably more so the 90% area for M Highlands you know what area do they need to petition for that um I
think 24th Street as he mentioned there's 20 houses so he can know you all can just contact those 20 residents that are there um but the map of what resident need to be contacted um in mold hings by that for that person um for our
policy and then if we could uh once those petitions come back then we'll be able to bring it back to the commission and followup discussion from there on moving forward so for example if 24th Street gets their petitions back in before next
meeting then we'll discuss 24th Street if dunde or M Holland doesn't get theirs back into April then we'll have to discuss that in April so that way you know we'll be looking at them as two different two different issues and petitions the part I'm not sure on reading this is I I understand what the
police chief's saying where there is three options to request speed humps one's neighborhood request the other one's regulatory agency request police and staff field review depending on which one of those is if it's not neighborhood request does it require a
petition and reading this I I don't know the answer to that I think you was cuz I did talk with talk about this with the city manager the first time we um discussed this issue and I think the Way It Was Written was that the as you're
saying the neighborhood could petition for it and if the neighborhood petitions for it then they need to have so many you know signatures and such or so much feedback but if the city thought that it was a safety issue then the city could basically override not it won't require
a petition if it comes from that right so then the city could say hey here's here's our data we see that it's a safety issue and the city could decide to okay um to do that because as commissioner pees mentioned an extreme example um you might have an
example of a neighborhood that's 25 but everybody's going 50 but then if you only go by well the neighborhood didn't petition for this then the city couldn't install anything because it was even though it's a danger I'm not saying that that's the speed in the M Highlands or
24th Street area but that's how I interpret that her discussion with city managers her not discuss like it it gives different options on as you're stating how it can be installed so correct City can you know can request it um if they see that it's a problem um seemingly I think since we've been on
the board most of the speeding that we've been that has been brought to us has been citizen identified right um so do you have any final thoughts on on