uh p.m. we'll have our invocation followed by the pledge of allegiance. Heavenly Father, thank you for our gathering here on this evening. We pray, oh God, that this chamber will be your sanctuary, that your spirit will fill this place, and that our mind will be filled with your thoughts, that our
mouths will be filled with your words, that our hearts will be filled with your spirit as we conduct business today on behalf of the city of Linhaven. In Jesus name we pray. Amen. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic
for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Right. City Manager, if you will uh read the announcement regarding the uh runoff election results. Vote by mail. Jeff Snyder 185,
Judy Tinder 260. Early voting Jeff Snyder 528, Judy Tinder 577. Election day, Jeff Snyder 375, Judy Tinder 319. Percentage of vote Jeff Snyder
48.48% Judy Tinder 51.52% total votes 1,088 Jeff Snyder 1156 Judy Tinder these are the official numbers from the supervisor of election.
All right. Thank you. Is there a motion to accept um these results? Motion to approve. Second. Right. Motion in second. Uh comments from the public. City manager, if you call the vote. Commissioner War, yes. Commissioner
Peoples, yes. Commissioner Parnell, yes. Mayor Nelson, yes. Motion pass. This time we'll have the uh swearing in of Commissioner Judy Tinder administering the oath of office. Uh our
city attorney, Miss Amy Myers. I'm gonna cheat too. I duty tender do solemnly swear that I will repeat after me. Okay. I, Judy Tinder, s do solemnly swear that I will support, protect, and defend that I will support, protect, and defend the
Constitution and government of the United States the Constitution and government of the United States and of the State of Florida and of the State of Florida against its enemies, domestic or foreign, against its enemies, domestic or foreign. and that I will bear and
that I will bear faith, loyalty, and allegiance under the same faith, loyalty, and allegiance under the same that I entitled to hold office under the Constitution that I'm entitled to hold office under the And that I will faithfully perform all duties and that I
will faithfully perform all duties of the office of commissioner seat 4 of commissioner seat 4 of the city of Linhaven, Florida of the city of of which I am about to enter. Upon which I am about to enter. So help me God. So
help me God. Congratulations. [Applause] At this time we have our public commentary starting with Mr. Zach.
Good evening commission. Uh, I want to welcome back Jamie and Judy. Congratulations on your wins. Um, I want to start out with a a little story about myself. Uh, I learned a lot from my dad. And you know, one of the lessons that I learned early on about 9 years old is my
dad started saying should and should not versus could and could not. And that is because he wanted to teach me about consequences. Well, one of these days, me being a rebel, guess what I did? I went ahead and did one of the things I should not. thought he was going to be mad. He comes up to me and goes, "No,
sir. I'm not going to be mad today. I'm going to teach you a lesson as an adult and as a man." Well, I said, "All right. What are these lessons?" He goes, "Well, consequences can happen at any time. You don't know what they're going to be. If you did
something bad, they're going to be bad consequences. You could win a first place trophy, but guess what? Your consequence is going to be that someone else only won second place and you took that first place from them." He said, "The lesson that you're going to learn as a man, though, is that not all consequences happen immediately.
Sometimes they take weeks, sometimes they take months, and sometimes they take years." This city for a long time after Hurricane Michael has been unfortunately well managed by
politicians and city management that has otherwise intimidated, coerced, and forced both the city and these residents to live under tyranny. Well, today I would like to announce this filing right here that I'll be
giving to the city clerk immediately will be to form the political committee to recall Mayor Nelson. We are absolutely sick and tired of the negligence and gross incompetence you show on a daily basis up behind that microphone. We are tired of being picked
on. We are tired of being abused. And most frankly, we are tired of the lies and hidden secrets that come at the management of Vicky Gainor and Jesse Nelson. So with these, I do encourage every resident the city of Linhaven to
go on Facebook and find recall mayor Nelson and to also go to our website linhavenreall.com because we are going to be dropping a library of whistleblowers, FBI documents, the whole nine yards on what really happened behind everything. And I do want to warn
everybody, there are eyes everywhere. They haven't stopped watching. Be cautious because you don't know when consequences may come. Thank you. Thank you, Rich [Music] Walker. Good evening. I'm going to make
sure people say can't hear it. Um, the city just finished an election which included three non-binding resolutions. It doesn't seem comprehensible that the elected officials could not come to a decision on how to proceed in choosing a solution
to the proposed media center library replacement. The property was chosen, architecture drawing purchased, published, infrastructure approved, and that's where we ended it. insurance money was obligated sort of and no action except discussions and kicking
the ideas down the road. The two non-binding resolutions haphazardly written up with the caveats if you voted in favor of the question you would incur higher taxes and unknown costs for my 25 years in Linhayen citizens have paid
insurance premiums on the replacement for the second generation of the Linhaven library. Please note, I do not use the term public. It was not its predecessor, the McMullen Public Library, inclusive of being a member of the Northwest Library Federation, was
costfree to the community and the city. In fact, it still carried on the budget. Linhaven Library with two employees salary providing to other branches of the government. Commissioners cannot and will not make a decision on the issue of
the library. According to the question number one on the referendum, if you voted yes, you would incur higher taxes. In today's economy, you don't have a to be smart to answer that no vote that occurred. If you voted yes on question
two, of course, you surely get a positive yes. But you will not get an answer to what satellite branch, what the city building will be disrupted to facilitate the possible satellite library. The question that should be asked are what the alternatives the
commissioners did have concerning the different approaches. What happened to the $1.9 million insurance slant? FEMA money $8 million still forthcoming from FEMA dedicated to the replacement of the library. What tasks have the two
employees carried on the books as a library staff? Keep in mind the commissioners were offered the original McMullen library to which the city was given free debt-free a member of the federation, its books 8,000, its
treasury, its land which is now as dysfunctional fancy colored light pond and building. This plus two other options were refused. The city has no plan, no money, no idea what to do. And in for two or three years, we'll be
facing a debt service that nobody wants to identify with. They still have to decide the deci. They have to make a decision. The referendings were not binding. About time you make a decision
on this. Thank you. Thank you, Bernie Thompson. Hello, I'm I'm Bernie Thompson and um I'm here to talk about a public record request again. Uh and last time was a teachable moment, Mr. Mayor. We learned that public record requests can be
spoken, right? No, I didn't say it couldn't be verbal. I asked you to email it so that we could know where to send it back to and specifically what you wanted. Well, Dr. Nelson. The word verbal can be oral or written. Look it up.
Okay. So, it can be it can be written or it can be oral. Verbal is either a nice try. Okay. So, a spoken public record request does not need to be written. So, we've establish Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let's clarify. I didn't say that it couldn't be verbal. I asked you to
submit it in writing. This is why you're being recalled right here. So, it could be clarified on what you wanted. You said it had to be in writing. Yes. How about just say I learned Mr. Thompson, you taught me one thing out of all these years and everything else you were wrong. You could say that and I'd
say can't argue that one, but this one you were wrong. And leadership means you would accept that. So now everybody knows that a spoken public record request and Miss Myers knows because we've done this since 2016. Good. But my question is for the
response I got back from city manager Gainer. She sent an email to all of you and it said that I had demanded my public records immediately. Read that. All four of you know that's not true. My email was miss
city manager and please and thank you. And the email was sent on Wednesday morning at 8:00 a.m. April 31st. After more than a week where I didn't think that I had a response, but I did have a response. The city sent me a response and asked me exactly what it is that I
wanted. I missed it. But after I saw it, the email that Miss Gainner sent to the four of you, you know, was less than true. It was mendacious. There's another one, Dr. Nelson, for you to look up. Menacious.
She claims that I sent that email on Saturday, May the 3. Today I got the email. The city sent it to me. It clearly states April 31st. But here's the issue. Some of the some of the stuff
that Miss Gainner sent back were PDF files, Adobe PDF files, and they were really weird. The background was transparent. And there are some that indicate that my email sent on Wednesday, April 31st, was sent on
Saturday, May the 3rd. I don't believe those documents are true and correct. So today, my spoken public record request is for the metadata for the for the images that she sent me. And if that doesn't work, I can
always come in person and inspect it. Whatever is best for you. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Miss Jared Parker. Good evening, Commission. I'm going to speak on something that's happened right after the hurricane. Um
the finance director after the hurricane or before even was Beverly Waldrip. I'm going to read a few snippets from her testimony just to give the citizens of Lyn Haven an idea of the corruption that still exists in this
administration. Fraudulent signing of a check. owner of CDS. CECS came in. Michael White told me to play invoices to pay invoices for $245,000 with a counter check. AP processing was being done remotely by
the software company since we had no way to print checks. Two signatures are required on the checks, the city managers and the mayor. I told Michael that we could not give ECS a check that day because the mayor was out of town and it was too late in the day for the
bank signatures to initiate an electronic transfer. I was told to fill out a manual check. Vicki Gainor signed the mayor the mayor's signature on the check and attached a memo to the invoice saying that she had gotten permission
from the mayor for payment. It was flagged and sent to the bank representative since the mayor's signature did not match. The amount was substantial and it was a counter check. I relayed to the mayor that a letter of approval from her would be required in
order to keep track to keep the check from being returned. That's one of them. Illegal bonus payments. Michael White instructed the accounting technician to withdraw enough cash to give each employee two $100 bills and one $50 bill to be
distributed as Christmas bonus at the planned Christmas party. Michael White did not want the bonuses to be paid through payroll or to have taxes withheld. It was $41,000. She reported so there was $250
enclosed and gave the envelopes to Vicky Gainer as instructed. I reported to J Moody that we were legally required to report the bonuses as income and to withhold taxes. J Moody advised Michael White that the bonuses plus related taxes would have to be manually included
as employee income. Fraudulent signing of checks. The police chief asked for three bank accounts to be open for deposit of different types of forfeited funds. The authorized check signers were Vicky Gainor and the police chief. A police
officer requested a manual check written to Cash for Drug Buys on two separate occasions. The police chief was out of town, unable to sign the checks. Vicky Gainor said she would have someone else signed for him. I advised against this. Vicky Gainer proceeded with having someone else sign the checks. They were
both flagged and sent to our bank representative. The bank representative called about the checks and I referred to Becker to obtain written approval for the improperly signed checks. This, my friends, is the corruption that exists in this administration.
Good citizens of Lyn Haven, take note. Call to order. Thank you. Right, Mr. Cory Langford. Good evening, commissioners. I just uh wanted to come up tonight. I know tonight's the final reading of the uh of the RV ordinance and um I just wanted to
say thank you um to all of you who listened to the public who came up and and spoke um as to what they wanted um in the city of Linhaven. Um you all have um have made some adjustments uh to that ordinance to reflect the wishes of the
public. Um and I I just wanted to come up and say thank you for that. That's the way it it should work. Um, I know I spoke with I believe every every one of the except for Miss Tender, you you weren't on the commission at that time, but uh you know about this and um it was
everyone was nothing but receptive on that. So, uh thank you. Um that's how it should work. So, thank you. Thank you. Additional public commentary. Moving on now to the mayor's report. We're going to have a
proclamation presented for National Safe Boating Week. Whereas Florida leads the nation with 700 reported boating related accidents in excess of 300 more than the number two state of California. And these accidents resulted in 65 fatalities. And whereas during National
Safety Safe Boating Week, the US Coast Guard and its federal, state, and local safe boating partners encourage all boers to explore and enjoy America's beautiful waters responsibly by following basic boating safety procedures like ensuring everyone on
board is wearing life jackets that are US Coast Guard approved, appropriate for your water activity, and fits properly. Remember, kids don't float. Rules and laws can differ from state to state and violations can result in ticketing,
fines, or jail time. Visit the cg aux.org website to attend a safety boarding course and participate in free boat safety checks. There are many items that need to be checked and rechecked on any boat. Schedule a vessel safety check
with your local US Coast Guard Auxiliary or US Power um squadrons before you hit the water. Every vessel safety check is conducted 100% free of charge. Make a float plan and always let someone on shore know your trip itinerary. Know the latest and
up-to-date marine weather forecast prior to going out. Never operate a boat under the influence of drugs or alcohol. And always designate a sober skipper. Be aware of deadly carbon monoxide poisoning, a colorist and odorless gas. Be sure to have and to know how to at
least uh two weatherproof communication devices such as satellite phones, emergency position indicating radio beacons, VHF radios, and personal locator beacons and use the mandatory cutoff switch. Now, therefore, we
support the goals of the safe voting campaign and urge all those who vote to practice safe boating habits and wear a life jacket at all times while boating. and by the virtue and authority vested in me as mayor of Citland Haven and on behalf of commission and all citizens do hereby declare May 17th through 23rd,
2025 as National Safe Voting Week. Um, and we have a representative here to receive this proclamation. Mayor Nelson and the commission on behalf of the United States Coast Guard and the Coast Guard Auxiliary and our other partners. I would like to
thank you for once again um encouraging the public to be safe while they're on our waterways. We're very blessed in this area with just with beautiful coastline, beautiful waters, and uh and
just recreation galore. But you know, even one tragedy is one tragedy too many. and we've had uh recent instance some not so good years in the past. So reminding the public about boating
safety and the resources that are available in order to make them safer voters and come home at night with nothing but good memories is uh something that we can all aspire to. Thank you for your support. We appreciate it very much. Thank you.
Thank you. [Applause] Commissioner Peeles. Thank you, meeting. U Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, uh to I want to say thank you to uh
everyone that has put their name in, Mr. Langford, and for everybody that has been part of our boards. Um it's greatly appreciated for you guys and gals to volunteer your time to help the commission. It helps a lot and it doesn't go unnoticed. Welcome back,
Commissioner. Um, Tinder, welcome back. Uh, I was just telling her earlier, it's kind of cool. We got everyone up here has at least two years left and so I feel like we can work together and get some things done. So, looking forward to working together with everybody up here
to make L help Linhaven be the premier city of Bay County. I also wanted to thank the the volunteer coaches, the umpires, and the staff for a successful ball season. Believe it's playoff week for most uh leagues right now. And um I
had a ton of fun with my children playing for the first time this year. They learned a lot. And um yeah, it was great. Uh and yeah, and also had my coffee meeting this past week. Um thanks you for those that came out. It's always
great to sit down, have a cup of coffee, and if you have a coffee shop and you want me to meet there, reach out to me. I just I want to move around so we can check out all the coffee spots, too. So, uh, with that, that's my report.
Thank you, Commissioner Parno. Mayor, I echo your sentiments, uh, Commissioner Peebles, and welcome back, Miss Judy. Yes, ma'am. Um, I uh I just um on
behalf of a a citizen I spoke to this this this past uh um week, um the the the library funds of $1.9 million. Are they are they secured somewhere else
other than the disaster fund? They are actually secured in general fund. General fund. Yes. I just I just And that one it was 1.6 6 plus 300,000 made it 1 1.9. We've taken care of the infrastructure that that included the
infrastructure of the building as well. So remember we've done the infrastructure for that side. So it's 1.6. Okay. And the other question on behalf of this person is and and and for my for my sake when when are we going to
have the workshop on the we had spoke about doing a workshop on the on this building on the on the July the 9th. July 9th that's when we do our strategic planning. We're going to do the workshop for that at the same time. Yes sir. The public will be invited. Anyone
can come to that. That isn't that strategic planning like an all day thing? Yes, sir. It is. And it ought to be Yes, sir. But at some point that's going to be a topic along the way. Absolutely. Um and thank you to everybody. Uh appreciate y'all. anytime we see people
that are coming and caring about our city enough to be in the seats and tell us what you think or even just be here at a meeting. I personally am very appreciative of that. So whether whether it be, you know, to to fight against the
city or not, it's your voices are heard and and it's it's much appreciated up here. Um, and thank you to all our city employees and our first responders. And I'll I'll end it there. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Perno. Commissioner
Wart, uh, don't have a whole lot. Um, yeah, thank you for everyone coming out. Always appreciate your feedback. Um, this Saturday I had my time with the commissioner. Had three people came out. We had some good conversation. But always know my door is always open. you
ever want to call me, my number is 850-391-1217. I'd be more than happy to talk to you on the phone or meet you wherever you feel most comfortable at. So, always feel free to reach out to me. Uh this weekend, uh was Memorial Day weekend. Um I know a lot of people um
they think it's a time for celebration. It's actually a time for mourning um for our veterans that g uh sacrificed um their life uh to protect our freedoms. So, what I did is I went to Kent Forest Lawn on Monday. I try to do that every year and um if you ever been to it, it's
a great um it's a great ceremony uh to remember our veterans. So, uh think about that next year. Um if you had never been to it, I encourage you to go. And uh last I have is uh welcome Commissioner Tinder. Uh it's like deja vu. It's like uh you were here about a
couple years years ago. So, uh welcome back. Thank you. And Commissioner Tinder, thank you. Um, I have a few different things. Uh, the one being while I was campaigning, I paid a couple visits to the senior
center. And one of their wishes um was a to have the mailbox put back on the property, you know, where they can put their mail in it, feel safe, and know that uh they don't like leaving it in their mailbox at home. And I know we used to have one right outside this
building. And I just wanted to ask, is there an issue with having it put back? I don't think so. Okay. Because I've already talked to the um the head person down here in Lyn Haven. She was going to rush it right out that afternoon. I said, "Hold it. I should maybe ask somebody before we
start dropping these things." But um if we can make that happen, I'll be happy to make the call if you want me to. Um but they would really appreciate that. I know. Um, I did receive I received an email today uh about the
um item that we're going to vote on tonight. And I'm glad that I don't even know how he knew how to get a hold of me, but he did. And um of course I wrote him back and said, "Thank you so much. Um I'm here to represent the people and the more the people contact me, the more
they get in my face and tell me what they want, the better I can represent everybody." Um, the other thing I had was I had an employee complaint and um, he gave me a letter. I know he's
addressed you already because this letter had your name on it and whatnot. I didn't know if Jennifer dealt with those things or or what, but um, I do want to follow up to make sure somebody's done something about that. Um, I think those are basically the
things that I wanted to touch base on tonight. And poor Kiki. Kiki, you know, I always have questions about the warrant list. So, I didn't know if I should call you this morning and give you a heads up, but I think my questions tonight are pretty easy. Um, I really
want to represent the people with the facts. I want us to be transparent, and if that's not good, then that's what we have to do. But I think the truth is more important and um I know you can always count on it
from me for sure. Thank you. Thank you, city manager. Thank you. So, we just um absolutely want to say congratulations again to North Bay Haven softball team. They came in runner up, but they did a really great job and um
we're very proud of them. It was a great game. We streamed it at Beef Bradies. It was cool. Pretty cool. Yes. Our first volleyball camp is taking place this week. We haven't done one of those in a while. And actually, all of our
activities have kicked off really well. Uh we have our summer kickball and adult softball teams are ready and full to go. If you've not attended the adult kickball and softball games, you're in for a treat. So you I
encourage you to come out and do that. And then again this year it is time for our all-star teams. Um we have some good all star teams going to Mississippi. 10 1216 for baseball
18 1014 for softball. East versus west is uh June 2nd 3rd and 4th. And believe it or not, all ball registration has already opened up. So, it's a neverending story, but it's a great
story because there are so many uh youth involved in all of our programs. And um Mayor, we um and Commissioner Per setting up our I think our third meeting with the county on the wastewater plant. I know you probably were going to ask
about that um to discuss some options see how we move forward in terms of the feasibility um and what we can utilize on their end with their their contractor. So we have a third meeting set
up and that's my report. Kiki, good evening. Questions about the warrant list? Yes. Um I just I'm checking on this South Green or Green South solutions for 64,000. What I'm getting complaints that
these trucks run up and down Tennessee Avenue constantly. What are they for or what are they? This is the sledge removal from the sewer plant to the uh waste facility. Okay. Okay, that makes sense. And then um somebody answered this one for me earlier. I'll just
double check with you. the integrity for uh 229,000. They said that or this person thought it was a grant for Florida Avenue project. This is the 10th Street uh project and the Minnesota and Mosley project and that is a grant program.
They are consultants on that grant and they bill us a percentage of the grant. Oh, okay. And is that a monthly payment that No, no, this actually covers almost two years worth of bills. Mhm. So two
229 two years worth of bills. Okay. That's two years. Okay. And paving is CW Roberts. Is that correct? For 152,000. That's um the water well number three.
Okay. And I only have one more question. I think this falls under your purview. Right. Um, do we still, and I'm asking this because I really don't know, do we still give out cola and merit raises every year? Since I have been here, there have been colas. Okay. Merit
raises. I budget money for merit each year and then the city manager at her discretion applies that. Does the merit. Okay. But the cola is consistent for all employees. Okay. Thank you. You're
welcome. Any other questions? All right. Thank you, city attorney. All right. Moving on to our consent agenda. Approval of minutes for 51325 regular meeting minutes and approval to appoint Mr. Cory Langford to the infrastructure tax oversight committee as recommended by Commissioner
Ward. Uh is there a motion for this? A motion to approve. Second. Right. Motion by Commissioner Peebles, second by Commissioner Perno. City manager, if you call the vote. Commissioner Peebles, yes. Commissioner Perno, yes.
Commissioner War, yes. Commissioner Tender, yes. Mayor Nelson, yes. Motion pass. Old business. Final reading of ordinance number 1177 amending the unified land development
code for specific parking requirements for major recreational vehicles and equipment. Uh city manager if you read this by title. An ordinance of the city of city commission of Lhaven Florida amending the unified land development code to modify the parking standards for
recreational vehicles on residential property. repealing all ordinance and hear conflict, providing for anotification, and providing for an effective date. Right. Thank you. Any comments, city attorney? I just want to point out that
this ordinance does apply only to recreational vehicles, not to all major recreational equipment. Um, since your last reading of the ordinance, I have included the word sideyard um based on the comments y'all gave at the first reading. So, this ordinance
would permit RVs to be parked entirely within a backyard, side, sideyard, or the driveway of the owner's residence so long as it is not in any portion of any public right ofway. Okay. Um, are there any additional comments?
Yes, mayor, if I may. I just want to pull not or just speak to the commission. Are we okay with the driveway thing? Are we okay with not allowing or allowing the RVs in the
driveway as long as they're not in the rightway? I just wanted to go around the table or just May I speak, mayor? Yes. Um, when it comes to this particular ordinance, Pat,
I feel that if I had paid $170,000 for an RV and then I got it home and found out I couldn't park it on my property, I would be, you know, they either have to go rent someplace or um, make other arrangements or whatever. I
feel like this I love these changes that have been made because it eliminates the government overreach telling us what we can do in our own yard. Uh, and I have to say I chuckled because it reminded me of the ordinance where we were going to make people pay to have a party at their
house. Um, but I I I think it's as long as they're not impeding traffic. You know, I've seen I have a neighbor who had one in their front yard for years and years. We we kind of overcame the triangle
site, but the last the last time we were talking about this, we got into the we got we got we got into the like, okay, it's in their driveway and code enforcement has to come out and we're we're busting out the calipers on the
city right ofway. And then we there were they were talking the there was mention of well it's going to cost the city to survey every single time if somebody if somebody contest you know that no my RV is not in the driveway you know or not
in the right away and then city will say yes it is and they'll say prove it and it will come at a cost to the city. We we ask the city attorney that. So, I just want to make sure that we're okay with with going forward with this, but knowing that, you know, it's going to
it's going to cost it's going to cost the city money in the future. So, just just want to have a little hash out here just so we get it out of the way. Well, on that same note, uh if I
may is I hear that and it is a concern, but it was very clear to me that the citizens want this. So my opinion would be that you know just like any other ordinance we can always modify it later.
So if it's a huge uh burden on the city maybe we look at okay now adding a budget item to take care of this stuff happening later. Does that mean that money's obviously got to come from somewhere? So, we'll have to have hard conversations and I know it'll be
difficult on the code enforcement and the police. So, this could be one of those things where we try it out for a year um and if it's too much of a burden, then we can modify it then uh on a by trial basis. Of course, me
personally, Sam Peeles, I as a citizen, I I would just say, "Yeah, this is great." But I also want to listen to the citizens. I want to listen to the concerns of the city. Uh, and I think that as it stands now, my opinion is I would vote yes on this. And then I would
love to hear feedback continuously throughout the year on how if if this right-of-way issue is a huge negative thing, just keep telling me so that I know and then we can modify if it needs to be modified. So, one of the things I looked at is our
code just on parking. And there's a section here. It says, "The stopping, standing, or parking of any commercial vehicle, motor home, trailer, or other object greater than 18 ft in length is prohibited between the hours of 10 and 10:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. on those portions of city's rightway lying along
and adjacent to property classified as a residential land use by the city's comprehensive plan. offended vehicles or other objects may be removed by the city and stored at the owner's expense. So reading that and then thinking what is
the reason not to park in a public rideway on on your own property. And I think the main reason is um the only one I can think of is if like there's a water leak. Let's say it happens in the middle of night and it's emergency and they got to move that
vehicle. Um, what other reasons would there be? I don't know. I'm asking, I guess. Do you guys know of any other reason why it would be a safety security thing? There's there's
there's re I I've personally seen where that there's a house being built and they're they're locatedating things and they they're they're they're cutting the road and getting into getting into the rightway in into yards. So I I've seen
that cuz there was two homes built across the street from me and two homes built behind me in the last two years. But but but um you know I don't I wouldn't know other than the rightway is you know there for the s the city to
access and and public safety for the triangle site you know. So, so that's, you know, I I I just wanted to make sure that before we vote, we we get it out there so the people hear what we're what we're bouncing around that we've that
we've given this a lot of thought and where we're going with it and what we set forth to forth today. If it's if it's not the best formula, we we'll revisit it as soon as possible. That's what to to echo what Mr. Peoples said. So that's my worry too is we're going to
overload or complicate uh how code enforcement does their job. I already know that we probably we will you know because there's 300 violations right now when we when we vote this in
I guess one thing 300 RVs in driveways whether they're in the rightway or not has to be determined. I I think one thing I want to add since there's probably a lot of people here that were not here last time is that the conversation we had is that it's not as cut and dry as this is where the public
rideway is. There is no like straight up this is where the rightway the rideway could be in different spots depending on the property which will require a uh help me out here. I'm drawing a blank
survey. There we go. a survey would have to be done to figure out where the actual rideway is, which costs money to the city. Um, and so if someone was to get cited and then they wanted to fight back on it, then the city would have to pay for that survey, which could result
in excessive amount of manh hours and money. So that might not have been something we had initially considered. So I just wanted to give everyone a heads up that that's why we're talking about the right of way. It's not as simple as, uh, yeah, well, just look at your rideway and don't park there. Well,
most people don't know where the actual rideway is. In fact, I've had neighbors that didn't know where their rideway was, and I've had to talk to them about it. This um, you know, and be like, and even then, as I was told last time, that even the Bay County property appraiser
doesn't have it 100% right. So, that's kind of why we're having this conversation. I want I want property rights for everybody, but we got to also make sure that the solution is the best solution possible. And if that's costing the city tons of manh hours, we just got
to I guess massage this to where it's right. I'm in favor of taking as is and then if it is a burden, then we adjust as needed. Uh but um yeah, that's just I just wanted to put that out there. Sam,
I would like to think that anybody who has water gushing out of their driveway or up in their yard, they'd be happy to move their vehicle so the city could get to it. I mean, I would think, you know, everybody would like to cooperate, not just for the sake of moving it, but if
there's an issue in the rightway, I would think all we have to do is knock on the door. Now, that's that's a mute point. I mean, that would happen regardless. I think any citizen would to help you because it's it's happening at their place. But we're talking about the actual length of the motor home being if
it if the if the len if the actual body of the vehicle is in the right of way then it can't be there. So that's where the violation comes in. So that's and that's and that's going to be the the the the line in the sand is going to be
the burden to prove that is on the city. Mhm. So, so we're going to we're going to find because we have to go out and address now all the all the all the um code enforcement um issues that are that are there. So, there this has to there's
going to be a lot of work involved right off the bat. But I just wanted to make sure we talked about before we voted again just so we can rehash and get it out there to everybody what we're thinking. And I think if anybody does
make a motion, I would just I'm I mean I I'm not I would advise I mean Commissioner Peebles, if you made the motion, you could add the caveat of let's revisit it. You know, if there is an issue, you know, if would would that
be okay or do we have to just plain old vote? You can build in a sunset provision so that this ordinance will will be effective immediately and expire in one year or in three years if you want to force the issue if it will require you if you don't want it to
sunset uh to bring it back and adopt it permanently into your code or to make changes before you do that. Can I ask one more question? Whatever brought this on anyway? Something must have happened. What what caused the commission to make this an issue? All of
a sudden, code enforcement brought it forth because of the number of RVs and driveways right now. Uhhuh. That and and I believe the code is that they have to be in the backyard. Yes. In code is they have to be in the backyard. Yeah. They couldn't have it in
their front yard at all. And you know, ever since Hurricane Michael, a lot. I mean, we're making we're trying to make the code. So, we added sideyard and we added driveway, but not to impede the right of way. So, we we're trying to make the steps to make it, you know, to
give the liberty to the to to the resident, you know. I know we're going to be talking about sheds in the backyard, so there can't be room for everything back there. Oh, yeah. We're talking accessories. Yeah. I know. I looked at a lot of other cities and
trying to see if they quantified at all and I I couldn't find all over the board. They they all always seem to use the rightway term. Yep. For it. Um I know the big um I think the big complaint um is sidewalks. They're
worried that you know someone's parked in the sidewalk, you can't get especially if someone's these these vehicles are 3540 ft. Yeah. So that's where we were getting most of our complaints when you know mothers walking um their kids they were have to go out
and go into the street to to go around that RV. And so that was what was initiating sitting out code enforcement because they were in the um past past the the sidewalks and people walking on the sidewalks could not walk and the
line of sight that was happening as well. Those are our biggest complaints. Is there a motion for this? [Music] A motion to approve and that we revisit it in a year.
I'd second that. Right. Comments from the public. Mrs. Gray. Um, I'm curious if policy number 94 for the utility rightway if that measurement applies to
the rightway in this case. Do you guys know what that policy number 94 rightway measurement is? If you want, you can ask Chris or Bobby. They should know it. Go ahead and ask. This is great. What's your What's your
question again? No, I I want you guys to be educated on what you're passing. You're not ready to pass this. So, what's number is policy number 94's utility measurement applicable in this situation that you could use that as a reference and mitigate these issues of
water mane breaks? Yes or no? Chris, is policy number 94, which is listed on the city website, an adequate measurement for them to use of city rightaway to prevent the issue of having
RVs in the rightway for the utility infringement? On the city website, it says the first 10 feet from the edge of existing paved roads or the first 22 feet from the center line of existing rideaways within the city limits will be
used for city utilities only. Is that adequate to cover most of these obstructions? Trick your head. No. Yeah. We discussed measurements before, right? And it was stated that we couldn't use a particular number because it could be
different this because what you're going to do is you're going to have a list of properties that are going to be disputed and you're going to rack up money doing surveys because every property that's going to be possibly affected by this. You're going to have to go do surveys for all those properties. What is it
around 300? What is the cost of that? Are you guys ready to take on that cost? you're going in the right direction. You're just not to the solution yet, and you're you're itching to get it approved, but you're not there yet. With a little bit of time, two,
three more meetings, you could work it out. I know you guys can only talk during your pre-commission meetings and these meetings. So, you're limited, but take the time and get to an actual solution, not half of a solution. Because I can tell you, if you approve
it, you're going to be doing surveys on 300 properties. Not necessarily. You are because I'm going to submit a list of every property that has a RV on it. So, you have to listen to public commentary, right, Mr. Langford?
And then my guy here, I didn't I didn't understand why the the amount of feet off of the center line or the edge of the pavement won't work. Um, well, we've mentioned that before. What happens is that it may be 22 ft for someone, but then it may be a different
as Chris explained it to us before. Could you come Chris and explain why we did not do a particular measurement for the feet off of the uh the roadway? So, because there's no accurate footage for every location. For
example, today we were looking at a a sewer tie-in that has to be done. And on one side of the road, the sewer force man was like 6 ft off edge of pavement, but as it crossed the intersection, it was like a foot and a half off edge of pavement there. So, if you look, you
know, the road skewed in a plaid or or it could the road could have shifted or it may not necessarily be in the center. So if if we live across from each other, but the road's not centered, then I may have 20 ft and you may have 40 feet. That's where the measurement comes in.
So that that kind of explains it now. So I guess the the thing that you all have to do is split these these two problem sets, right? We've got a problem set with a water mane or a sewer breaking and an RV parked over it. and we've got a problem set of women and children and
fathers having to walk around an RV that's parked in a sidewalk. Is there a standard amount of feet that a sidewalk would be built from the edge of the road? Um I guess would be my first question. And if so, what is that
amount? I I would marry that that um distance to compensate for the sidewalk. I don't think you can accurately I don't think you can standardize a number to a a non-standardized infrastructure if that makes sense. So if our
infrastructure is not standardized, you can never standardize a process to ensure that an RV is never parked on either a sewer or water man. So therein lies those two problem sets, right? I don't think the sewer and the water man issue problem set can be solved because
it's un it's non-standard. You can however solve the issue with an RV being parked over a sidewalk and requiring people to walk around that end of the street and that makes complete sense to do that. So I would encourage you all to maybe kind of break out those problem
sets and and address them that way. Thank you. Yes, sir. you is good to see you back. An input on this. I'm I'm an RV owner and I'm trying to be as least
coarse as I can. I have a tendency to be coarse. I don't want you in my business. I guess that's the least coarse I can be. I paid to put the concrete down to the city. I pay every year so it doesn't flood us because the concrete I got and now you're going to take away the use of
the concrete. I think you may lose some money from the takeaway privilege also. Now, if it's broken a sidewalk, that's a no-brainer. It's got to go. I also see if we're not careful bloating up government here. I see a new agency with cars and secretaries and helicopters and
grants to go around and you already know how many motor homes are out there. Who the hell been doing this? Somebody paid them. I just don't I think you got your hands full running the city. I think if you get your hands more than full and make me generically me fight everything you
do, we don't get anywhere. But I think this the best thing I've heard so far is to vote yes on it. If you want to put feet to it, yeah, if you see motor homes over dangerous things, you got to be moved. They got to be moved. Don't come
move my without my knowledge. Don't plunder in my life. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Additional public commentary. Yes, sir. All right. Sorry. Y'all are making a mountain out of the molehill here. I
agree with Sam. Pass the ordinance. If you got problems, readress it later. I mean, y'all got a solution right now. If it doesn't work, great. Come back and address it. But quit making up some scenarios that may never occur and wasting everybody's time doing it. just
just pass this thing and get be done with it. Thank you. All right. Thank you. All for property rights. I wouldn't want anybody telling me to what to do with my property either, but you live in a neighborhood and we have codes. I mean, if it was up to me, I'd have a a
few goats and a bunch of chickens and maybe a little cow and a pig, but we don't because there's codes against that and the neighbors wouldn't like that, right? Well, there are neighbors who don't like RVs blocking multiple areas,
blocking their view, blocking the sidewalk. You can't say that it's a no-brainer to move an RV that's blocking a sidewalk if I've been complaining for 9 months and it's never moved. So, there's not a there's no enforcement that I can see. I don't get any
transparency when I make a complaint. I've got plenty of complaints out there. I've been complaining on some of them for nine months. They're still there. So, I've got no problem with property rights. If you have an RV, that's fine. These huge RVs that, you know, go from
the front of the shed or the garage to the sidewalk is way too much. Um, and there's a lot of them where I live. They weren't there before COVID. I have a feeling it was enforced. It's not enforced. It's an enforcement
problem. People who have RVs, it's $100, maybe $150 to store your RV a month. I take my four family of four to to dinner once a month for that. It's cheap to store an RV, to store a boat. You know, if you want to be
stubborn about it, that's fine, but it just it makes the city look trashy. 300's going to turn into 600 if this passes. Thanks. Thank you. Additional public commentary. Right. City manager if you
call the vote. Commissioner Peebles. Yes. Second. Commissioner. Commissioner Tinder. Yes. Commissioner Wart. Yes. Commissioner Perno.
No. Mayor Nelson. Um. Yes. Motion passes. Public hearing closes at 6:27 p.m. Uh discussion only of the comprehensive plan. Just want to uh mention that if you have questions about
it, please send those to uh the city manager so that we can bring those to uh commission and and get those to staff so we can discuss um those questions. In regards to that, um I do know we received the email earlier that had the
updated uh comprehensive plan in it and so please review that and hopefully next meeting we'll be able to begin to discuss some of those policies um that are there in also uh with the ulc if there's a particular area of the DC that
you would like to discuss um please submit that to the city manager as well and then we can start bringing that to um commission meeting also. But uh if you'll get that to the city manager of the EODC um and of course we are discussing um issues in the ODC tonight
with uh the various codes we're talking about. But if you get that to the city manager and then we can bring that to the agenda. Also also we have the first reading only of ordinance 1180 amending the city's code of ordinances relating to petling permits. Um city man if you
read that by title only please. Sure. Ordinance number 1180, an ordinance of the city of Linhaven, Florida, amending the city's code of ordinances related to pedalling permits, revising and clarifying the elements required on the
application and permit. providing for expiration of permits annually on December 31st, amending the process for appeals, providing for administration by the police department, repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinances in
conflict, providing for severability, and providing an immediately effective date. Right. Thank you. Any comments? City attorney? Uh, yes, sir. Um I this ordinance it's been several months since you considered
it but it does try to stream streamline the application requirements and the supporting documentation that is required of an applicant. We've tried to address some of the recurring problems that staff is seeing regarding confusion over who whether it's the business or
the person um who needs to provide some of this documentation. So we have attempted to clarify that. Uh the two biggest changes I want to point out are the duration of the permit um for all permits issued after the effective date of this ordinance. Um the goal is to
have them expire on December 31st of each year. So um that every year if you're going to get be pedaling, you'll have to come back. Although because we have streamlined the process, you won't have to do fingerprints and every year um once you've done that. We've also required um or we've changed the appeal
process so that any appeals for the revocation or denial of a permit does not come to the commission but to a special magistrate which is consistent with some of the amendments we've made in other chapters. All right. Any questions, comments on this?
All right. Moving on to first reading of ordinance 1181 amending the code dealing with accessory structures. City manager, if you read that by title, please. Ordinance 1181, an ordinance of the city of Linhaven amending unified development
code relating to accessory structures, amending the definition of accessory structure to include portable storage units. Regulating the use and placement of portable storage units in front yards. Requiring permanent accessory
structures to be anchored. Providing for enforcement. Providing for severability of provisions. repealing all ordinances and here conflict here with and providing for an effective date. City attorney,
the discussion you had several months ago was regarding accessory structures. Generally, this proposed ordinance is focused almost entirely on portable storage units as a temporary accessory use and allows them uh to be located in
front yards under certain conditions for certain periods of time in certain locations. Uh what this ordinance does not do, if you still want to address it, you still have time and I would invite you to give us some direction on that. It does not limit the size of portable
storage units that may be located in the front yard. All right. Um, Commissioner Ward. So, one of the things I read that I don't know if I'm just reading it wrong or just seems to conflict is you read the first section. And the way I read it is
you can have a one of the storage units in your backyard as long as it's strapped down and it's not over a certain amount of pvious area. But then you go to part B two and it says no residential premises shall continuously contain a portable studio storage unit
in excess of 10 days in any 60-day period. Should that say that front yard only? A portable storage unit is intended to be temporary by its definition. So if you want to have a portable storage unit that is intended to be permanent, it will have to be
anchored. Yes. So the first part says you can have a portable storage unit in your backyard, right? Yeah. Section two is is for all of all accessory structures you may have and they're currently permitted in backyards and and including in the
definition of accessory structures, portable storage units. Yes. So, the way I read the first section is you can have one in your backyard, but then when you go to section two, I'm sorry, section 3B2, it makes it sound like you can't
have one. You see what I'm saying? It's meant to clarify that you can in fact have one in your front yard that's temporary. Okay. So, you can All right. I just want to make sure I read that right. Okay. Thank you. All right. And we did
receive some questions from Mr. Ke. Um we'll make sure that all the commissioners get get these questions and then we'll be able to address those at our next upcoming meeting. Okay. Right. Um you got one. Okay. Right.
Meeting a journ.