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calling our special meeting to order at 8:03 a.m. we'll have invocation followed by The Pledge heavenly father thank you for this meeting and Lord thank you for this time to come together to um discuss the business of our city father fill our
minds with your thoughts fill our hearts with your spirit and fill our mouths with your words oh God that we uh may make decisions that are pleasing to you and for the betterment of our city in Christ's name we pray amen I pledge
allegiance all right so we've come here today to um have our special meeting to discuss and possibly approve the adding of questions for the upcoming ballot referendum questions for the upcoming uh
ballot um we do have two Commissioners that are not able to be uh physically present for the uh special meeting commissioner pebles commissioner War um y' will do a sound check for me make sure I can hear you commissioner pebles
can you hear us yes I can hear you okay awesome can hear you all right awesome awesome all right so glad to have you two guys on with us today we're going to um open up this discussion in getting a
um report and update from our uh City attorney and any other information that she would like to provide you have a draft um of several questions in front of you um Vicki and I tag teamed this
effort to um try to accurately reflect the topics and the questions uh we understood you wanted to present to the public um as part of this non-binding referendum I will caution you that even though it is a non-binding referendum
legally it is politically binding and so having choosing your questions carefully and the way that they are worded matters to make sure that the public understands the question being asked of them the danger of course is that you um as
elected officials have a much broader perspective and appreciation of what you know the big issues are in the city and the answer and information you hope to get from the public and that's not always their perspective when answering the question there is some danger there I just like I need to say that for the
record got it so do you you think this is something to do to not do what has been I guess the practice of other cities in regards to these questions on the ballot I Echo the concerns or the statements of the supervisor of election that there is
some danger in doing it there as commissioner people stated yesterday there is an opportunity to get feedback from the public just keep in mind the kind of feedback you are likely to get you are likely to increase voter turnout that that is a fact and um can be a
disadvantage or Advantage depending on who's running whether you are the incumbent or a new person um history reflects that this does increase voter turnout um and if that is what matters most here that is a
certainly in advantage of doing it um I would just encourage you if you are inclined to do it and that is absolutely your your decision to make to choose your topics carefully and to Wordsmith them carefully there are other you have explored other options such as a survey
that is completely informal that you could post on your website to get the same information but I'll leave it to you how you want to present these questions to the public right thank you okay so uh thank you um City
attorney for working on these based on our discussion on yesterday and um putting them in the best format possible that could you know be posted to the ballot um on the referendum so uh we've all had a chance to actually um provide
some questions and so today we would hopefully like to identif ify the top two or three questions um if we're deciding to move forward um with this does everybody want to continue to move forward our discussion for the referendum Miss
perno you're good for wanting to put the questions on the ballot putting the questions on about but what questions are we going to put on the B I know library is one but there's two questions for the library right so we're going yeah just want to make sure we're getting to that yes okay you're just trying to wake me up weren
you yeah that's it okay I get it yeah just getting consensus that we want to move forward uh commissioner vaner gri yes let's continue with the discussions all right and my two guys on commissioner pees commissioner
War you hear them I don't know if you want uh commissioner Ward to go first not but um either [Music] one uh so for me I I the main one I would you know I brought forward with the library my my one request is that if
we do decide to go with the library that there's kind of two questions that go with the library um I was wondering if I know we said two questions uh on the ballot but we could kind of word I was wondering if we could request to maybe
do three questions since two of the questions are basically the same question just getting allowing for more options since we're limited to the yes and no so for the one Library question is talking about the tax Doge the other one is talking about partnering um and using a preexisting
building I feel like both of those kind of are the same question just more options so my request would be if we go at the library maybe consider uh considering both of those questions really just one question and adding both of them to the ballot and then not
limiting that to where we can't have another question too like I don't want it to be like we only get two questions and those are the two questions because I don't think that's fair to anybody else that brought questions to the table I just was wondering if uh you all would consider um allowing those two questions
to count as one of our two questions if that makes sense so what we're going to look at today is possibly putting three on there so the library with those being two different questions cuz although it counts as one the citizens are still having answer two questions um so we'll look at adding if
we do the library that's one two and then Poss and then a third question to also go along with that um as well all right uh so Library um I think there was a consensus yesterday to do the LI to add the library as part of the
questioning um for that are you okay with that commissioner perno so Library um I'm good with the library out I do have a question though about the second part okay it says um should the city partner with the Northwest Florida
Regional Library System do they want to partner with us so there's already been some conversation yes we had those conversations for about right after Hurricane Michael then I actually met
with them yesterday which was already PR pre-planned before you guys to start do this and um still willing to do that as they do with um I think Parker and some of the other cities they have those yeah
I'm I'm good with the two on the library all right commissioner War um yeah I think it's a good idea to put the library question only thing concern I have that I brought up last time is there any way we can quantify it
as far as what cost tax I didn't understand that last part about the modification if you could repeat that about modification [Music] for I'm sorry what I didn't understand
the last part of your uh your statement in regards to modifying it I was I was just wondering if there's any way we can quantify where um was what a projected amount money
would cost the taxpayers okay so you're I got you um if we could actually put a monetary number towards that in regards to what it would cost taxpayers um in regards to that question
should the city rebuild a library funded hold or and in part by increase the local tax dollars and actually trying to put a an actual dollar amount um to that do we know the estimated fiscal impacts of rebuilding a
library we did a couple of years ago and we know that that cost has skyrocketed and I think I may have heard someone say yesterday you know we don't want to put down anything that's um that we don't have clear numbers
on we could add a statement that said in 2001 or 2002 whenever you got your estimate the estimate was the implication obviously for us is that the costs have gone up I don't know if we'll have enough word count to indicate the
price is as the actual price to do it in the future will be more but we can certainly add a statement as to the quote you've already gotten put a number on it so what and I guess for me when we talking about putting a number on how would we figure the
number and and C because we're not cuz the number isn't what the library is going to cost by building it as much as what is it going to cost he said the year the year that we did do it we we did do a cost we do have a cost from a couple years ago right right so she said
put that date that Year date that in that date in that year it cost this much right but probably say with you know with that cost wasn't to the citizens though that was coming out of insurance money already know that that that that
insurance money we know what the insurance dog geed for the library but there was it was told to us that there was a you know we saw plans and whatnot so what would it cost we did meet we did a workshop on it we looked at everything
with the what that separate building was right I I understand that part we we supposedly have a number on it don't we at that time it was what 1.9 million yes and that was going to be covered by insurance though when we built it was going to be covered by insurance and
then the I guess the ongoing funding of it in regards to Staffing and all of that would be didn't we get 1.9 million from insurance right we did so what I'm saying is that's not what the 1.9 million isn't going to cost the citizens
anything because we already have that so that's the part I'm asking what number are we trying to put on here we can say the the library cost 1.9 million but that's ask so what's the square footage can't
you do square footage time the the basic cost it was U it was a little bit over 4,000 all right 4,000 so Chris do you know what the average cost now is to construct something the last commercial number we
we heard was about $450 a square foot is that not a logical way to figure it out and then back out the 1.9 you could yeah cuz I don't the one issue with that is that uh it's not just building a library you're going to have to fund the
library staying open too so Sam's question isn't for building the library it's the ongoing Staffing electricity bill so it's not just hey it's going to cost us this to build it how long are we willing to fund it 20 years 30 years 40 years for the
increase of that so my question isn't so let me clarify I'm not asking the dollar for us to put down a dollar amount in regards to what it's going to cost to build it but we're talking about the actual funding of it and then we're attaching that to local tax dollars is that going to increase the millage rate by 1% is that going to increase the
millage rate by 2% .5 in order to have the ongoing funding of it but that's not what the question asked question says build rebuild the library doesn't say and maintain for the
future so we do need to rephrase that if Sam if you're having so yes so let's say this that is the problem with the referendum questions in general that Amy was referring to is that although we're putting rebuild from my understanding
date was actually for the entire the ongoing funding of it and not just the rebuilding of it well we just need to make that clear we can replace the word rebuild with you know establish operate and maintain which confirms it's a
reconstruction and also the ongoing Evergreen maintenance and operation of it do we have a budget number an annual budget number from the years when y'all did operate a city library and do we have any would it be Apples to
Apples it wouldn't there there had to be a cost for staff and stuff when we did have a library building and staffed it didn't there we do we get we get our arms around a number
well that 450 square foot is for the building it's for the building it doesn't right take into consideration the computers that are needed the books yep and the Personnel f f and continuing
operation can we uh can we just put the number can we just put the number was projected to be before and let's just let them know that it's going to be much higher than that and again I think the the challenge you put in the number before when we're
saying it cost 1.9 million the citizens weren't we weren't increasing tax dollars for the 1.9 million that was being paid with insurance money right so we could say the previous cost of the library is 1.9
million it it would be a very wordy question but we could say the previous cost of library is 1.9 million it's increased since that time and the citizens we would have to basically increase taxes in order to make up the difference between the
two all right how about this should the city reestablish operate and maintain a library funded in whole or in part by an increase to local tax dollars the cost to construct a 4,000 ft library is anticipated to to exceed 1.9 million the
ongoing annual budget to maintain and operate the city library is expected to exceed number you give me I probably could get that number for you I'm looking at previous budgets I just have to plug it plug that number
in because I know it's a high number we had at least three employees and um just the maintenance of the building and so on all right while we waiting on those
um let's discuss what our second question would be so we have our first two questions or what our third question um would be going on to the referendum or ballot for uh for feedback from the community we have uh establishment of
city clerk City commission meeting times the city's financial responsibility amendment to storm water tier system changing the funding mechanism for storm for City storm water program
and another should the collection be placed back on the water bill and then um creation of City zoning map U Miss Vandergriff is there a particular question that you well I had
the one on uh of course the library but physical responsibility physical responsibility of the and so I'll withdraw that one and we'll make it easier [Music]
okay commissioner per did you have a particular third question that you thought would be good for for the citizens um there's two I think um the um citizens would
make a decision on whether they'd want an advalorium or or or the bill on the or their or their water their storm water assessment done through their bill
um and that would only be the billing people U so that you're looking at a a hefty increase in the bill somewhere around $15 but some people would rather pay monthly than than uh all at once on
their taxes that would put that in their hands but as I said yesterday I would support the um the question about establishing an additional position for a city clerk so I support both of them
um um and I'll let uh commissioner War expound on the clerk question because I think that was his first question so all right uh Miss VRI from those two is there anyone of those that you favor
more well I think the one on the storm water I'm not sure um most of the citizens understand number one the tier system um and I don't under I don't
think they would understand the the impact of the agile Orum taxes so um that one's kind of I think we need to discuss that one among the commission before we propose it to the
citizens um and you if it comes on the water bill then it's mixed up whereas with the way it is now it comes in strictly storm water money Miss Miss Gainer explain how that money comes in
and you Devy it out the difference in the two the okay so storm water of course is an Enterprise fund so when we get that money from the tax collector it is actually a tagged amount say for instance they've collected
$800,000 that money goes straight into storm water there's a Mis be straight into storm water we can also track that um to see how much money we've collected in an entire year uh so it's dedicated can be used
for nothing but storm water uh and don't have to worry about it falling off into another department for general fund if it's put into general fund as an a part of that avalum it's going to come in as
part of our tax base and then we are going to have to divvy out what we think or what we need in order for storm water um to uh you know go forward and
actually be uh utilized in that faction uh general fund is as you know really about the services that we offer storm water is about services but it also is about capital projects and so when it's
in general fund it's going to get mixed with with your own fund money if it's directly into storm water there's no way it can get mixed and I know that was a big concern when we started the assessment is making sure that they were divid
and that all the money that we they were assessed went into storm water got it all right um but thank you and I'm okay with the uh clerk question but if we're going to
start adding money do I mean this is a paid position do we need to somehow right so with the clerk position we would still there was have to be a charter change so then that would actually that change wouldn't
happen until 2027 but do they need to do the Citizens need to know that that's still you know a significant cost increase employee it could be added to that that I think
that's an easier dollar amount to add than the library funding I do have that number for you okay is this for the library or for the clerk is this for the library okay sorry you guys switching back us and forth but I want to make sure I got that to you um the last
budget for the library was in 2018 and um that number was 320,000 676 320 [Music] mhm that was the operational cost that's
that's everything first down that was that was in 2019 because remember that would have been the water bill electric bill on the building and all that FL that's the operational cost
expenditures and operational cost of the library that wouldn't include your mediate purchase of furniture and books I would imagine the initial startup cost you've got your construction on the one hand which may or may not include Furniture I don't
know that it would include books that would it I guess we're just trying to give some numbers yeah I I just I was trying to decide if I should add a line or a phrase that said exclusive of initial startup cost again
this is hard no I I get it okay um thank you all right so so that's the library question that's one that's two um for my third question I like
really the zoning question um cuz right now we don't have zoning and asking the citizens you know would they like for us to create a Zone map um I think that that's something that could something that could be more achievable for us as
a commission if we get that feed back in April then that's something that we can I mean we're discussing it now but we can push forward knowing that we have the citizens feedback on how they feel about that because we've we've talked about it um and then that'll give us better Direction on uh hey this is you
know we're not just spinning our Wheels but we're actually moving forward and something that we know the community wants us to do and and that also comes at a cost zoning map so do we have an A a broad estimate on what that would be because we talked because it kind of
scared me the last time we were bringing it up and that this is very expensive to do is what someone so does anybody know out of the air what it would cost for a zoning map
no so and again if we're going to put dollar amounts on stuff you might we might want to say it's at a it's at a cost to the taxpayer as well so I I think I think people would presume that it it comes at a cost when
they're yeah well I'm not so sure about that read you know uh we don't have a magic W and say all right now we do zoning but a lot of people when they
answer that question yes or no don't consider those that's caveats um it would be at an additional cost say on there right so the language I've added which you can remend however
you want uh right now I have added a line that said the estimated cost of this effort is unknown but expected to be significant which I feel like is a true statement it is so is significant like more than
$10,000 $50,000 $100,000 I can qualify it to be significant enough to have a taxpayer impact if you think it will and let me say this everything is going to cost us money I mean I get we're trying to put dollar amounts but
everything we're asking the citizens is going to cost so and I I think the citizens know that which is why they keep us accountable and ask us questions on how we're spending their money um so yeah I'm not saying not to put dollar amounts
but I think every citizen knows that it's going to cost and there's going to be an impact for it not just the zoning map I'm saying everything we're asking a cost is associated with that Bobby would you have any idea what
a when when the zoning department was in place way back when or does any staff member have a roundabout figure we have 100 years of knowledge in here on planning does anybody have a number you can pull out the
air okay let me Google it then how much does it cost to do a zoning map all right $300,000 I was I was thinking it'd be close to Yeah couple hundred thousand absolutely depends on the size
right I I think it surely depends on the sides of the city and remember once you put it in place um that's almost like a one one time cost coordinate your future land use map as well so it's not just a matter of
that so it's there's going to be additional costs to tie everything in together that it so let's do this gu we're trying to have decisions on something that are just fictitious ideas that we haven't done
yet okay it's 8:33 we're supposed to be done at 8:30 I mean that's that's the idea was really a simple conversation so I understand we want to put numbers on things but right now we're just trying to get feedback from citizens if that's the purpose of the survey is to get
feedback from citizens so let's put the questions in a way where it won't be too confusing for the citizens feedback from the citizens and then once we get for example with zoning we'll get the actual numbers and know it's going to cost us
$175,000 and then the citizens going to say we don't want that or yes we do want that right um or and that's with everything if we say let's move forward the library then the citizens going to say yeah we want that or no we don't want that like they do everything else
so that that's my thought is that we don't get bogged down and trying to make a because we're not voting on the actual action of what we're asking the question on today we're just asking what questions can we put on there for the citizens to give us feedback on and I think we need to have questions that
have the greatest impact for the citizens themselves you know what if we're saying we want to get surveys and feedback from the citizens then this is an opportunity for us not NE not necessarily to get questions on the day-to-day operations of the city as much as this is something that's going
to impact the entire city like a library storm water zoning um that I think we can get feedback on and then because the numbers are going to change we're going to put this number on here it's going to change in a couple of years by the time we actually get to that project so let's
just keep that in mind as we're as we're deciding on our questions that we're not actually we don't have to figure out the action today we just got to figure out is that a question that we want to ask people and want feedback on that's all keep it simple yeah that's it
all right so with the zoning question um I think that'll be a good third question uh because that impacts the entire city that impacts future bills that impacts what things what things are doing now that does help our uh that'll give us again an idea as
we're especially as we're talking about the ulc and our comprehensive plan I think this is something that would really give us input from the citizens as we're this is something we're discussing now um and not just something that's projected to be discussed but something
we're discussing now so I think the zoning map question is a and we can still put that language going to cost us something I'm not saying not to put that language but we don't have to like make a decision on whether or not we put that question or not bearing a particular number um because we we still not making
a because we still may say no we're not going to do that right um if the citizens say no um so are there any other is there any other commissioner that likes the zoning map question about um peoples in War what do
y'all have to say I'm coming to them oh sorry yes I got you I didn't want you to forget that little I hadn't forgotten right there yep so I got you um commissioner perno any thoughts on the zoning question I I
think it's a good question all right commissioner V [Music] Griff it is a good question we've discussed it several times when especially when issues come
up planning right commissioner War yes I I think good question um I think the biggest thing is educating the public on what it means to we're going to a zoning map but yeah I think it's a good
question um do you have any comments on any other the other [Music] questions um I I know you guys talked about earlier and it doesn't look like it's going to be on there but we were talking about the storm water I know I brought up about the atum I wasn't after
I did my research I wasn't a proponent for the at for um I just kind of wanted to more look at utility accounts uh if we looking see if we want to add it to the bill want to keep it
so other than that that's all I had okay and commissioner [Music] pebles I like the yeah honestly um all these questions are really solid I think the key here is just not to over complicate it uh but yeah zoning was a
big thing um that I think uh that if I was to put another question uh like outside of the library I would have put zoning as well I was considering that but I only put the two for the library because I didn't I just want to limit mine to two because that's what you
requested so but all the questions like literally I won't be mad if any of the other ones go on there because I think they're all solid all right thank you all right so um so we're looking at the library questions the zoning questions could you
read what you have for those sure so question one non-binding referenda regarding reestablishment of City Library question should the city reestablish operate and maintain a library funded in whole or in part by an
increase to local tax dollars the cost to construct a 4,000 ft library is anticipated to exceed 1.9 million the ongoing annual budget to maintain and operate the library is expected to exceed $320,000 okay uh second question
question two non-binding referenda regarding a Regional Library partnership question should the city partner with the Northwest Florida Regional Library System to establish a satellite branch within an already existing city-owned building what I haven't added here that
I that is my question if I were seeing this on a ballot is is this partnership a way to realize some cost savings or is the benefit to get a library more quickly established in the city I think if there's with that
question it would go back to like what commissioner perno brought up yesterday in regards to looking at a current city building adding some expansion to that and then having that partnership with Northwest Florida yes so it would be cost savings because I think that's really a great
idea dissect the senior center in a way M yes and we actually talked about that yesterday commissioner perno um what would it take to turn uh an existing building into a satellite office and um
it surely would be some cost saving for us they would Supply just so you know if we went into partnership they would Supply at least two people uh those salaries we would have to pay or we
could um you know hire own I ask about hiring our own uh we could get volunteers and buy books from them so it is surely a cost-saving measure I bet I bet Folks at the senior center would even help run the Technology Center yes
yeah you're right okay so the question is now a question and a statement should the city partner with the Northwest Florida Regional Library System to establish a satellite branch within an already existing City and building this could expedite the
reestablishment of the library and allow the city to recognize some cost savings okay and the zoning question may hate it but why we're here idle non-binding referenda
regarding creation of City zoning map question should the city develop and Implement a zoning map to enhance Community Planning by more specifically guiding land use in the city the city does not currently have a zoning map but imp Ms orderly growth based on a
Citywide comprehensive plan a zoning map would enable the city to expressly identify the actual list of permissible uses on each parcel in in the city the estimated cost of this effort is unknown but expected to exceed $300,000 so as opposed to the number
let's go back to your first state that it would be a significant uhhuh significant cost be significant yes so you're taking out the 300,000 exceed 300,000 and replace it
with significant back to the original wording okay um city manager if you read this resolution by title only please yes sir a resolution of the city of L Haven Florida calling for a non-binding
referendum related to the two qu three questions that Amy has already uh stated setting the date of the referendum to be April 2020 April 22nd 2025 and providing for notice thereof establishing the ballot
titles and questions for the referendum authorizing the city manager to make such Corrections and amendments as may be necessary to comp the purposes of this resolution and providing an immediately effective date all right is there a motion for this uh resolution
and those three um non biding referendum questions so move is there a second that all right is there a discussion from the public all right Mr Basher then Mr scay
then Mr Walker so the the first thing I wanted to say is currently the Northwest Regional Library has a bookmobile that visits Lin Haven Sheffield park with some frequency um looking at their
schedule right now they're they're visiting about once a month from 2:30 to 4:00 p.m. so um I don't think people are aware that there is an opportunity to get books and things from the Northwest Florida Regional Library currently with no cost to the city so if that's not
being utilized I would ask the question why I know that's not on the referendum but it's something that needs to be considered um and of course y'all just need to decide which which three things you want to do and I know that's what y'all are talking about um so just
that's all I've got thank you all right Mr great thank you um so out of all the different questions that you guys came up with the zoning to me is the most important I mean that's going to define the way the city goes far into the future beyond the next four eight years
I mean we're talking Road right that is by far the most important question that needs to be on there I think that's question number one on the referendum as far as the libraries go I mean you guys know I'm tapped into the city citizens I know you
know hear a lot about what people want there's no question people want a library I don't think we need to waste two questions on it first question needs to be either combined with the network of the other uh Library the Bay County system or just needs to be removed and
you guys need to pick a different question um if we have the ability as Vicki is saying to partner with the pre-existing setup why can't we just combine that in and just do you want us to pursue spending the money that it's going to take to
either a build a brand new building by ourselves and do our own library to because then we're limited to what only we do or pursue the other option and it can still be a yes or no question because
all you're asking the public is do you want a library or not do you want us to spend money on getting you guys a libr Library whether that library is partnered or linh Haven exclusive um that's one question so I know you guys are in the middle of voting on the motion you absolutely can move back
discuss changing that question to one question and introducing a third question as far as what third question well we have two other very important questions we have the clerk question which you said would not take effect until the charge updated in 2027 Vicki
does not want a clerk she is the clerk right now out with the extension you guys did it's not going to be a problem for her you'll have a new city manager and a new clerk at that time right so that can be one question or you could do
the tiered system versus um but we have now the three tier versus the five tier I think it's very important because the storm water brief that you guys had made it clear what the ramifications are there and you have hard factual numbers for that that is probably the only
question you could actually tie numbers too on the referendum um so I would encourage you to backtrack just a little bit get rid of those first two questions make them one question and then that'd be question two question one would be your zoning
and come up with a third question either the clerk or the the stormw water stuff I think that's what's best for the city that's what the citizens will want to vote on and I think it'll be easier for them to understand rather than having two different questions the
library thank you right thank you Mr Walker keeping it because what do you come out with here public a non- referendum these These referendums are non-binding actually they're
worthless they're worthless you got to make the decision in the end anyway so uh you're going to open up a bucket of worms here when you bring it out to the public they're going to have more questions and they're going to come to
you and you're not going to answer them they're going to come to the other citizens that have lived with this they're going to have to help them out concerning the library you keep throwing 1.9 million you don't have that anymore got rid of
that you paid off part of the budget with the 1.9 million you have a $4 million grant for Florida Avenue there's another way to do this Mr bees is well aware of it you're
not aware of it this be done different way your library for 170 years let's say 100 years was given to you free of charge you didn't support it you never paid a penny for it when it
was turned over to you the library and the funds and the 8,000 books given to you the building was given to you the property was given to you a 50 million a $50,000 Grant was
given to you by forerunners of the library he squandered that library that was rebuilt in 1977 which was the second one third one was
destroyed that money was lost property has been given to you and you have a pond there now you have the architectural drawings for the library you have the request from the people to join the Northwest the
original library was there already done and you have the land for the library you promised them the media center not going to get it but a time you get there to rebuild the library the way you want it the quote was given to me was $15
million just for building ites is right the support of it is going to be something you're going to have to bear that's in the budget already you just don't have the funds in there the people that are running the library are
doing other jobs their salaries are still being paid there's a better way to do this I don't think your answers that you're being given is the way to do it if you want to know how to do it want you contact Mr pebles he has a white
paper written by the people from the library thank you how to do it Mr Joe Riley good morning Mr Mayor Commissioners um is the storm water
question going to be on the questionnaire at this time is not part of the motion to be on the questionnaire no sir well it it was discussed yesterday and I like what Mr Ward commissioner Ward was suggesting that
that money not be an app lawen tax but rather to put onto the uh utility bill I think most people would be more interested in paying $15 a month instead of
paying $2,000 at the Christmas time to come up with that amount of money where you could put it over a period of time at the $15 I thought that was a great
suggestion and I think for people that own a lot of land in L Haven in perious land or perious land especially you know they're being assessed all this amount of money with
their acreage where the people with you know uh to have it on their monthly bill would be a much better uh deal and uh so I just would that should be on
the one of your questions I think instead of the zoning I don't you know zoning is great but zoning has a lot of problems involved and you would have a lot more people coming up here regarding zoning than you would anything
else see have another minute so I just want to tell everybody in Lin Haven just our city is on the grow and is a beautiful city I love being here living here retiring here and uh
we let me just say something about the library I think that should be a question like he said before do do the citizen want a library and that should be a question of yes or no all have a good day right thank
you right so there's a a motion on the floor um to except three non-binding referendum questions for the upcoming uh election to be placed on the ballot for the upcoming election April 22nd
2025 uh city manager if you call the vote commissioner Vandergriff yes commissioner perno yes commissioner pebles yes commissioner
War yes mayor Nelson yes motion passed meeting adjourned