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safety issue. They need to have their three minutes and I did not honor that. He graciously accepted and so we move forward from here. Now the next thing that kind of happened and this is where

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the positive moving forward has already begun to happen is he called a point of order. Well when he called a point of order he expected something to happen and I expected something very different to happen according to Robert's rules of

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order. What we found out is neither one of our expectations were in the actual city resolation resolution and sequence of events. So it only heightened the flared frustrations on both sides.

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So Mr. Scray and I have already begun collaborating on this. Commissioner Warick, Commissioner Peebles has also been involved. The city manager, we've actually got inputs from across the community um from a variety of different folks that have said gave inputs as

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well. a couple of attorneys here in Linhaven as well as uh Bernie Thompson as well had some very thoughtful inputs. So, I thank all of you for those collaborations and moving forward. That said, the last piece of this is not

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to belabor the point. You may know, you may not know, I'm an eighth generation Floridaian. My dad's family's been here since before statehood. My mom's family is actually Muscogee Creek Native American. They were the indigenous people of this area. Both sides of my family tree have a long

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kind of Florida panhandle or muscogi mindset of when you do someone wrong, you do your best to make it right. And so what I want to do tonight is uh ask Mr. Scra to come forward. I have a special presentation for him.

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So come on up here. We can just do it in front of the podium. I actually have two things for you. So bear with me. So the first thing, so number three, you can consider this a one-time prepaid

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and one time now Ryan. one time for the record, but this is a prepaid 3minut gift card if you will for speaking. Whenever you want to identify when you come up to this podium and you're recognized for three minutes, you will get your full three minutes back that I

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took from you at the last meeting. >> Yes. >> One time I got to turn it in. You identify, you get to keep the three, but you say to me or the pro Tim or whoever's chairing the meeting, I want to use the extra three minutes for Mayor Lowry. You get six minutes. Okay? That's

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the best way I know how to make you whole is restore the minutes I took from you when I rudely tried to interject and talk answer you and we got into the whole talk over thing. I should have never done that. as you and I have done many times before. You've had your three

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minutes and I say something, I ask you, we kind of get into a little, you know, discussion back and forth collaboration. We go our way. We'll continue to do that. But when you're up here for your three minutes, that won't happen again. What happened last Tuesday. So, this is the first of

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two things I want to give you. Okay, sir. The other thing I'm giving him, and I paid for this out of my own pocket, by the way, so no city funds were involved, but I have, as Commissioner Tinder and I

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are both wearing our Linhaven jerseys. You know, two weeks ago on Tuesday, you and I in the moment when we're tempers are flared and we're talking over each other and you're trying to get your three minutes in and I think you're battling me for control of the floor post point of order. We weren't seeing

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eye to eye. And in that moment, you and I, neither one thought we were on the same team. Okay, this is a symbolic reminder that we actually are on the same team. You and I have both worn the uniform of the US Air Force. We didn't serve together, but we serve the same

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force, same country. Uh, and now you and I volunteer and support in the same city. You're raising your daughter here. I raised my three kids here. My youngest daughter still lives with me here. We have skin in this game. So the next time you and I get sideways with each other

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and never like this again, but in disagreements and mis, you know, whatever, when we don't see eye to eye, you and I can pull out and wear our jerseys and remember that we're actually on the same team. All right.

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All right. And with that, I won't draw this out anymore. Uh, I want to thank you for your grace. I thank you for your apology, acceptance, and uh, let's get back to work. >> One thing, >> one thing, >> one thing.

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>> I just want to say that I feel that it takes a lot of humility for somebody not to just say sorry, but say exactly what they did wrong. That's the way you apologize. you identify what you did wrong and and you call it out specifically when you apologize and personally, privately, that's what Dave

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did and that's why I accepted that apology. So, I appreciate that. >> I look forward to working with you. >> All right. And with that, we'll get back to business. >> All right. First up is additions, deletions, and modifications of agenda.

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>> Yes, sir. Mayor, um, we need to remove item seven and item number nine from the agenda as well as add resolution number 2026-06-561 for the AI data centers. So

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you said remove seven and remove nine and then add the data center resolution where number a new number insert it between 13 and 14 >> or it can take the place of number seven if you would like wherever you would like.

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>> Okay. Um yeah, let's let's remove seven then and then we'll just replace that with number seven if that's acceptable to the rest of the commission. So remove seven, remove nine and new seven is data AI

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center resolution draft. Any questions or concerns among the commission? No. Any questions? Okay. >> Well, if not, uh, city manager, would you call the role?

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>> Need a need a motion on a second, mayor. >> Duh. I'm sorry. >> Motion to approve. >> All right. I've got a motion. Can I have a second? >> Second. >> I have a motion and a second. No comments from the public. Um, barring, will you call the role?

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>> Commissioner Pero, >> yes. >> Commissioner Tender, >> uh, yes. >> Commissioner Peebles, >> yes. >> Commissioner War, >> yes. Mayor Lowry. >> Yes. Thank you all for that. All right. So, no proclamations or announcements tonight and the consent agenda. We're at

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approval of minutes for 6926. So, uh, then we have approval to declare fixed asset 3897, a 2013 Ford Explorer and a 2018 Ford F-150 crew cab truck as surplus and authorized to auction off through govdills.com

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and approve it to declare asset 38.95, a 2013 Ford F-150 truck as surplus and authorized staff to auction off through govdills.com. So, those are the three items on the consent agenda. >> Any questions? Make a motion. Oh, >> make a motion to approve.

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>> Second. >> I have a motion and a second. Any questions or concerns? Any comments from the public? >> Hearing none. City manager, would you call the role? >> Commissioner Tinder? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Perno? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Peebles? >> Yes.

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>> Commissioner Warick? >> Yes. >> Mayor Lowry? >> Yes. 5. Thank you. All right. Well, that there's no old business. There's no tabled business. So, now we're to the new number seven, which is the data I IA

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center um resolution draft. >> Yes, sir. This is a resolution number 2026-06-561. A resolution of the city commission of the city of Linhaven, Florida, directing city staff not to accept, process, or act upon any application for development

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permits, development orders, site plans, resonings, special exceptions, variances, or building permits for data centers or AI data centers pending the adoption of an ordinance and providing an effective date. And mayor, this is uh following on with our discussion last

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meeting where the commission directed staff not to accept any more applications. just formalizes that and we're in the process of drafting an AI ordinance and we'll bring that back to the commission shortly. >> Okay. And just for the public's awareness, this is the proper first step

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in uh preventing any type of data I AI center uh from being built here. You can't just say no centers. this there's a proper way to actually conduct a one-year moratorum do studies and figure out how realistic they would even be

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here before you can move forward with a yes we may under these conditions or no we will not we have to do our due diligence and this is our due diligence for this so this is the first step and taking a very hard look at this just like all of the neighboring counties

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Jackson Walton uh are doing as well so any questions from the public regarding this resolution. >> Go ahead. There is not as far as that's one of the issues we're running through in the ordinance trying to define it more definitively.

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However, um the resolution says as defined in the ordinance or as in common usage. So should it should hold until we get the ordinance done. I'd appreciate that, especially coming from an engineer guy like you,

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engineering mind. >> All right. So, >> motion to approve. >> Motion and a second. >> City manager, would you call the role? >> Commissioner Warick, >> yes. >> Commissioner Pero, >> yes. >> Commissioner Peebles, >> yes. >> Commissioner Tinder, >> yes. >> Mayor Lowry,

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>> yes. Thank y'all for that. All right. The old number eight is discuss or man, I am tongue tied tonight. Discussion of a draft resolution 2026-06-559 for consolidating services as directed by the commission at the meeting of June

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9th, 2026. Resolution number 2026-06-559, a resolution directing the city manager to evaluate opportunities for service consolidation, develop associated cost proposals for services currently funded through the city's general fund, and

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report on such opportunities and proposals to the city commission for review and evaluation. And mayor, this is based upon our budget workshop, the last commission meeting um and some discussions with you all. Um we will look um at multiple ways that the city can save money for fiscal year 27 and

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with the potential non-adval I'm sorry with a potential advalorum um language on the ballot in November. Um so we are just looking at any avenue possible right now to cut cost. We will discuss these opportunities with the county um other municipalities throughout and possibly some private uh providers as

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well. >> Thank y'all for that. And just for the public situational awareness here, we're looking at a very very lean and mean budget this year and then that's before all the homestead exemption stuff can come into play uh in the uh subsequent

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years. It's uh it's going to be a challenge and we are going to have to do our utmost due diligence to be as smart with the city's coffer coffers and funding as we can possibly be. So, we're looking at all sorts of ways to consolidate and save money where we can.

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And that's what this is is looking across the board, all options on the table. Um, simple things like maybe we consolidate animal control services with Bay County. Um, other things literally possibly consolidating police and fire

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kind of services, right? Um, it's a lot. Um but we at least have to look at what is feasible, what is not feasible, uh and go from there, right? And so this is just the initial for that. We the commission has tasked the staff to

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basically look at run the tape, run the options and come back with all the things we need to look at and potentially discuss. So that's what this is. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Second. >> I have a motion and a second. Do I have

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any questions? Mr. Scra. >> Good evening. >> Good evening. I only need three. I'm not going to redeem that yet. Um, so yesterday or on Monday, um, yeah, yesterday. So I took my daughter, her friend that was here, um, her other two siblings and my girlfriend. We went over

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to fire station one. I was invited by Craig. Craig Ingram. Uh, they showed us around. They showed the kids around. Kids got to spray the hose. Um, you know those uh heat heat viewers that you guys bought a while back. We got to test those out. I got to resolve a

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misconception that people had during a committee meeting. We talked about like if the if the fire department was there and they saw like a body signature of somebody behind a false wall, would that be surveillance technology? But device doesn't do that. I found that out

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myself. There's actually pictures on Facebook that I uploaded where one of the firefighters was hiding behind the wall and then peaked out. You you can't see what's behind the wall. You can see some heat signature, but it wouldn't be able to be used in that fashion. Really, what it's useful for is uh recently they

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had a a fire that they put out and they thought it was completely out and they started looking at the rafters and there was active fire up in that garage. Uh if they didn't have that tool, they could have left and that fire would have continued burning. Um, you know, the the hour and a half that

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we spent there and the data that I got talking to those firefighters, what it brought to me was a sense that even though we need to, yes, look at where we can save money, there's core services for a community that need to be

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protected and really left off that table. Um, for example, a lot of people don't realize that Linhaven Fire and Rescue are the rescues there for a reason. They're commonly getting to a house for a a medical situation

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5 to 10 minutes before a Bay County rescue arrives because the rescue squad may be halfway across the county when they get the call. Um, and so imagine laying there having a heart attack or a stroke and you're waiting for a rescue squad because the city commission rolled

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it up to the county and the county will get there, but they'll get there 5 to 10 minutes after after Linhaven would. I don't think that's what we want for our community. So I think taking a long hard look is a good thing, but poor services

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like police and fire definitely need to be left off the table. Is there ways to save? Yes, maybe you forgo updating some things for a couple years. That's that's definitely on the table, but I don't think anybody here will want to realize that they lost a loved one because we

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rolled services up to the county. We still have to pay the county for those services and that they got there 20 minutes instead of 7 minutes. Um, I just think that's not where we want to be as a community. So you guys need to consider that as you guys look at

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rolling stuff up is that's the last thing you should be looking at when you have no other options left. Thank you. >> You're welcome. Thank you for that. And I think your point is well taken. There are core services that we have in fire

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and rescue and plumbing core public works is what makes us us. So I get that and thank you for that sir. Mr. Basher, you coming up? Good evening. >> Good evening. Um, just a couple of things. I I agree with Ryan. I think

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fire and police are core services of the city and very important to me personally in the city. I did want to mention one thing that as we go forward and we're looking for ways to save and combine services, etc., Linhaven's millage rate last year was just a shade over four.

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The county's millage rate including fire for the county last year was 6.8. 8. So keep in mind that and that's a higher mill rate than us. They're going to lose more funding in the county side than Linhaven is on the Linhaven side. So these opportunities to combine with

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them, they're going to be cutting services, too. And it's going to be a lot more difficult for us to get even the level of services they might provide today going forward after those they realize those cuts. We need to keep that in mind when we start looking at consolidating because what we see today,

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they're going to they're going to suffer worse than the city's going to suffer. So, just keep that in mind. >> Yes, sir. Good point. And thank you for that. And that looks awful painful. I hope you're doing okay. No problem. >> All right. Any other comments?

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Hearing none. Um, we have a motion and a second. Would you call the role? >> Commissioner War? >> Yes. Commissioner Tinder? Yes, >> Commissioner Peebles. >> Yes, >> Commissioner Pero. >> Yes, Mayor Lowry. >> Yes. Thank y'all for that. Number nine

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has been removed, the old number nine. So, now we're to the old number 10. Discussion of draft ordinance updating chapter 42, parks, city manager. >> So, mayor, we did not receive any other comments um from anyone since last

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meeting regarding the parks unless you all sent them directly to Miss Myers or Mr. Jackson. So, with that, if everyone's good with that language, um, we can direct Mr. Jackson to go back and finalize the or the ordinance update and prepare the first reading for next meeting, unless someone else has any input.

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>> Anybody got any inputs, commissioners? No other thoughts? >> I gave mine last time. >> Okay. Well, barring no other inputs from the commission, um, press add with that. Do you need a You don't really need a formal vote, so

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>> No, sir. just a go do be dehaw. All right. Um number 11 discussion on rules of a decorum. Commissioner Peeles. >> Thank you, mayor. Um I just wanted before we started, I kind of wanted to say something.

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Uh I wanted to publicly acknowledge that last meeting I should have uh spoken up about the removal of Mr. Scray during public comment. Um, I've already personally reached out to him, but I also believe it is important to address it publicly. So, that's what I'm doing.

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Uh, to Mr. Scra and to the citizens of Linhaven, I apologize for not speaking up at that time. It won't happen again. One of the responsibilities of a commissioner is to ensure that citizens have the opportunity to be heard. Regardless of who is serving on this commission or in the mayor's seat, I

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will continue to advocate for the rights of our residents and their ability to participate in the public process. I appreciate that the matter has been addressed by the mayor. That was a beautiful ceremony. It's very good. Um I do believe it serves as an important

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reminder that we do need to go back and look at the rules of decorum to kind of get a better idea of how we want to handle those. So that's kind of my point here is that um that why I wanted to be on the agenda. So the rules of decorum and everything is in the packet for the

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citizens to see, for us to see and have any discussion about the rules of decorum that that we want to have. Um but yeah, that's pretty much it. Um I just wanted to say that, you know, like you mentioned earlier, mayor, that we're a team, that we should be respectful to

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each other. We should be respectful to the citizens. And I think you did a great job of of exactly like Mr. Scay Ryan said that you apologize. You said what you apologize for. I think that goes a long way. And I I also wanted to apologize for for not speaking up as

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well. So I apologize for that. Um with that being said, uh in our packet we have the rules of decorum. Um I'm I know we all look at them beforehand, so that's kind of why I wanted them to be in there so we have those days to review them and talk about them. Uh, I guess

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really going forward, you kind of addressed already what I wanted to talk about, which was, you know, we're going to let the citizens have their three minutes and you so you kind of addressed pretty much what I wanted to say. Um, I would I do want to say that um I don't know like there are a few things in the

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in like in the rules of decorum. That's kind of like a gray area in sense of like the word like disorderly. What does the word disorderly mean? What is the threshold of being disorderly? Um, so maybe we can talk about like what that

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means so that we kind of have an idea as a team like okay, you know, cuz like you said, sometimes we in the heat of the moment our emotions get to us or or our morals get to us or whatever and you know, we're all guilty of it that we maybe

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should stay take a step back and we don't. And that's why we have us as a team here to kind of step in like, hey, hold up a sec. So, um, yeah. So that kind of like that. So let's talk let's start with the disorderly like what what when we talk about disorderly and what

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it means that there would ever be a situation that we would ask the police to bring someone out. I like what you said about public safety. I really think that that's really the only time we should be asking someone to be removed because of a safety of us or those

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around them. Um if it's just words, it's just words. But if there if it's a safety issue, then that's when we should be asking the police to get involved. That's my opinion. Um, is there any other feedback from anybody else? >> So, I'll just uh say the same thing. I I

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made a Facebook post about this and I'm in the same boat that Yeah, we all should have spoke up on that. So, I think we all take responsibility for what happened. Um I spent a lot of hours, I mean a lot of hours um

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developing um rules of decorum to revamp what we have and um I believe they were emailed all the commissioners. Is that correct? I don't know if you guys had a chance to look at it, but um doing a lot of research, talking with other people. I've received a lot of feedback and uh

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there's some things in there that I wish I could take credit for, but um I took that from uh feedback uh from other people that I think will work really good. Um I'd like to go over it, but I don't know. We could get through all the what I

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wrote in a single meeting. So, I don't know if a workshop is the right way to go or what, but um I think from here forward, we need to put clear direction so that doesn't happen again. And two, one of the things I noticed as going through it is that we

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already have code that kind of or what I developed, there's like code out there that I encapsulated uh into that rules of decorum to kind of make it one central point where everything's at instead of scattering different areas of our code. So

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that's where I'm at with it and just ready to listen to feedback of what you guys thought of it when um you guys read it. So that's all I have. >> Yeah. So I I looked at it and I honestly I didn't realize it was you that put it together, but it did look really good.

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So um yeah, thank you for that. >> I actually went through it and sent comments back to uh the city manager and actually added some stuff, but it 90 90 plus% of it's there. It's really good. Um, and that's one thing, ladies and gentlemen, where we can turn a positive

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out of a negative where Mr. Scray and I when we had our flare up, and we've talked about this, where he and I, a point of order meant two very different things to us, and we expected very different things to happen. Uh, the best analogy I can use is a football, a flag

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on a play. When someone throw when a ref throws out a flag, all play stops. players take a knee and you wait until the the refs say good to go. Um, but we didn't we didn't see that eye to eye. Uh, we thought different things

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would happen and it's not even mentioned in the resolution. You have to go back to Robert's rules of order to understand the parliamentary stuff and it's not spelled out in our our own guidance. So therefore, we have a chance to fix that and make it very clear not only for us moving forward, but future commissions

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and mayors and public speakers as well. So, uh, Mr. Scra's already given us quite a bit of input on that as well. It was very good. We've got Commissioner Wars, um, Mr. Thompson, a couple of other attorneys here in town that actually kind of specialize in some of

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this stuff. We're also very helpful. Both of them happen to be Linhaven citizens. So, we um we're getting started with this, but again, it'll be a positive out of a negative. And uh I think we'll be better for it process-wise going forward. Clear expectations is a very good thing for

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everybody involved. Thank you for that discussion. Um does anyone else want to do any more discussion among the commission? >> Mayor, I would ask direction from the commission. Do you want us to prepare a resolution based upon the documents that

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have circulated back and forth or I would honestly, and I I'll defer to my four teammates here, but I honestly think we should probably do a workshop, a brief workshop, maybe a two-hour workshop, um once we get the drafts, and

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we've even been given good checklists to be able to reference for like what would potentially be um public safety type concerns. I want to make sure our attorney gets that. I'm want to make sure everybody here understands what those things mean. And just like what a

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point of order means. And for example, um when a point of order is called against the chair, the mayor, well, the mayor can't be the judge and one of the attorneys, right? The vice chair, the the mayor pro Tim has to step up then as

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the vice chair and be the referee. So those kind of things we can kind of um work through and formalize and make a very clear kind of rules of engagement, if you will, moving forward. But I think that needs to be in a workshop. That's not going to be something we can do in five or 10 minutes up here.

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>> Do you want that prior to the next commission meeting? >> Teammates, >> uh, like the same day, maybe? >> Yes, sir. >> Sure. >> That's fine. Strike while the iron's hot.

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It's fresh on everyone's minds. All right. Any other discussion on item number 11? Hearing none, we'll move to discussion old discussion item number 12, discussion and approve of expanded

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community services board to seven. And that's Commissioner Peeles. >> All right. So, I've had a lot of discussions with the the community services advisory board about um using that board to help uh look for funding

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sources outside of tax dollars, have citizens be involved to help lead the charge for promotions and and uh fundraising and that sort of thing. And there's been a lot of people that

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wanted to be involved. Um but so but looking at the other boards, I'm thinking the best strategy might actually be that what we'll do is we will we would expand it to seven, but we'll have five just I'm just

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workshopping here, so I'm not going to die in this hill. I'm just workshopping. maybe have five Linhaven citizens that are voting members and then have two extra uh people on the board that could be

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anywhere in Bay County that are experts that could come in and give advice to the voting members. That way we're not just limited to Linhaven citizens in that sense because we have there's a lot of people in this county that are really

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good at raising funds now. They absolutely can be Lin Haven citizens, of course, but they would not be allowed to vote if they're not a Linhaven citizen. This way, it kind of expands it. And the other thing I'm worried about uh with it being seven is that um like it's a great idea, and if we want to go to seven, I'm

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110% in the I'm just going weighing the pros and cons here, is that with a board of seven, you'd need at least four to show up for a quorum, whereas with five, you'd only need three to make a quorum to vote. Well, so we've we've done some research

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and CJ was able to find the by. So the bylaws of this one are a little different. This one just takes doesn't take the three for the quorum. It's any members in the bylaw says that this one's a quorum. Um but like what the direction of the five with the two non-

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voting. We did have five members, one resigned and we have not heard back yet from the the other one. We had our first meeting um Thursday or I'm sorry. Yeah, last Thursday. Um for the first time since 2024, I believe it was. We did

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give that board now that we have a sponsorship policy in place. We gave that board a proposed sponsorship package um to go back. We're going to meet again around 30 days um with their input as well as hopefully have two new members to present to the commission um at the next meeting or meeting after and

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add two more voting members to that board. Um and then we would like to change it. You had kind of conflicting boards. You had the leisure services board and community services board, I believe it was. And so want to clean that up and only have one board of the

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five members with the two, I guess, you know, committee members, if you would, >> right? And and then we could start there as a as a way forward and then if we find out that we do need to make seven voting members from then we always can

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expand it from there. But rather than take a board that has a board that hasn't really been meeting that much, we can go ahead and start here and see how it works. Um, I guess my main question is typically when we

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appoint someone to a board, they have a term limit just like we do. And if that board has not met since 2024 until recently, how much time do the sitting members still have left? Do they actually have time left?

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>> I'd have to look back at the bottom, see if they have any. >> We do need to look at that. Um, I just want people to have the o the people that want to serve on that board have the opportunity to apply for it. So, if there are rules in place like term limits, we need to follow those rules.

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And if those sitting members want to reapply and they're great for the board, great. Please do. Um, we just need to make sure we're following the rules. I would just I don't know if you've already verified this to make sure it doesn't conflict with the charter code that we currently have. I don't believe

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it does. >> I don't believe there's anything in the charter about a community services board, but we'll confir >> Well, there might be something. I think there's something about just boards in general, isn't there? >> There is something about boards. Yes. >> Yeah. We we may have to do some cleanup to kind of combine the leisure services

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and community services and get that straight, but we can we can certainly do that. And just one point of clarification, Commissioner Peebles, if we were to, you're talking about some non-Linhaven resident potentially two uh positions,

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subject matter experts basically, right? Would they need to be members or would they be advisers? >> I guess it could just be like two official advisers. They would not be voting members. They would just be Yeah. advisers. >> I think that would be a key distinction.

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You have your committee members who would be voting and then you would have special adviserss who are kind of your subject matter expert sme. >> Yes. >> And that way it keeps it clean. >> Mhm. Definitely. >> You have five or whether you have seven. We also probably need to look back on

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how it was in the past and see if these positions are appointed or at large position because I remember a few boards ago um we had that discussion on which boards are at large selection where we all look at the applications versus we each appoint someone. For example, the

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uh charter review committee we appointed whereas the planning commission was at large. I would imagine that this is appoint by appointee because there's five but I don't want to make the assumption. Any other discussion on uh item number

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12 before we move forward? No. All right. Thank you for that. Item number 13, discussion on steps to move forward with city attorney selection or direction for next step. City manager.

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>> Yes, sir. Um, we received the RFPs back for the city attorney. We received from three submitts as well as we had one applicant for an in-house position. Um, I think you all have scored or made contact with Mr. Bracie on your recommendations for the firms. Um, we are just looking for direction on how

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the commission would like to move forward. >> Well, when will we get the actual results from Mr. Bracie? >> We were still receiving results as of today. So it would be the next meeting before you would actually receive or be on the agenda with with everyone's

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score. Um we asked for them by the 22nd and we still he was in here right before the meeting trying to collect so we can So what's the next best step then just process-wise or wrangle in any lost patrol votewise

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and then once you have all five inputs you share it with all five of us and there should be kind of a clear collective team making decision right so at that point it's workshop or just discussion here or >> I don't think there's a workshop needed.

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I think it's just an agenda item if that's what you all want or you can make a decision tonight um to to move forward. It's whatever the commission desires. >> Do we have a um now that we have the all the information? Do we have a cost

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difference between in-house and uh contracted out? >> I have additional information. Mr. Garmin, who was the applicant for the in-house uh position, sent me an email late this afternoon removing his name from consideration.

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>> Oh, okay. Well, in that case, we're down to the three submitted contracts. So, once we have all five inputs, we can plan to have it on the next meeting for a vote.

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I'm fairly sure that uh Corey walked out of here with all five of them signed, sealed. >> I'm sure he did, but we didn't have time to get it on the agenda. I mean, if he was getting it 10 minutes before the the agenda, it was published last Thursday. >> Okay.

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>> So, okay. Well, let's if it's good with y'all, let's post it and do our decision at the next meeting. Um and then as soon as you get the results, please share it with the five of us. elective decisions. All right.

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All right. Everybody good with that? All right. Next up is public commentary. So, we have four folks signed up for public commentary. First up, we have Mr. George Hines. Come on down, sir. >> Good evening.

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>> Evening. George 603 Rhode Island Avenue. I appreciate what you did, what I suggested that you do. And of course, the quorum. You need to do what the Bible tell you to do. Treat people the way you want to be treated. And you won't have to make up this long litany of things as you the way you treat

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people. It's simple. You know how you want to be treated. Treat people that way and you won't have that problem. We want to have a decent meeting where a lot of citizens come and get involved, but they don't because of the people sitting on the dis. You have people that you talk to and you have people that you

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don't talk to. You have people that you respect, people that you don't respect. But when you get on the dis, you got to forget all that and just become a person on the dis. You listen to everybody's complaints and you have to make decision what you going to do about them. What I put on the paper was people and

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pay for my speaking this afternoon. We talk about consolidating things. It's causing people to lose their jobs. The number one problem in America today is healthcare. Most of the people got jobs, including you, only doing your job because you need the health care. If you had the same healthcare the government

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workers have, you wouldn't have that problem. Same with the military. They have the same thing the president, everybody else has. Now, we start consolidating services, we lose personnel and we lose equipment. You turn things over to the sheriff department as far as the communication department.

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Two years from now, it'll be upgraded every other year and that's going to increase your pay to them. Then you said it didn't work for you and you want to take them back in. Then you got to update all your equipment again. It don't make good sense. We want to save money. We can start at the head which

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are you all. And y'all could I think two of you got your own business and the other three have other jobs. So you can take a pay cut right there and they save money. So it's number ways you can save money without getting rid of people. I'm concerned because I ain't worked in 13 years and I can still make it. But other people can't. You need to consider that

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because you're talking about somebody's livelihood and their kids and their neighborhood will go down and then the crime will pick up and you'll wonder why because they have no insurance. They have nowhere to go. Think about that. You don't have to shrink your city to save money. We can say say some of the

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outside contractors we have like one year about three years ago y'all was talking about garbage pickup. We have garbage trucks. We still pay outside people to pick up garbage in certain parts of the city. Expand our route. take the money back. We have a maintenance department that can go out and cut grass instead of

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paying the contractor to cut grass down 77, 390 or whatever it is. The DOT don't do it, we can do it. Think about it. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. >> Appreciate that. Next up, Mr. David Schwitzer.

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>> Good evening. Good evening, >> Switzer 323 Alexander Drive. I just wanted to let you know what's happening around flock and the issue um that I have with it. And just to give you a progress report,

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if you'll remember, I think it was December 9th, we held that vote of December 9th of last year in which it was a 4 to1 vote in favor of flock and the people who voted on it knew nothing

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about it. I believe it was rubber stamped. I believe I believe he didn't know what it was. And now we know that all of that data is shared with 13 to,500 other law enforcement agencies and the federal government. You're not doing

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anything about it. Nothing has happened in six months. That is not right. I will let you know I understand that in April there's another election and to me election season starts today

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and I'm going to do everything I can to find somebody who will vote Flock out. The people who are going to be running, if you have a political aspiration to run, flock is going to be the number one issue that you're going to have to face.

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I'm telling you, this is spreading like wildfire. Three people spoke about flock and how we how there are real concerns and you voted on it anyway. You should have aired on the side of the constitution and research this thing. So

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why do I say that it's spreading? Why is that happening and what is the evidence? Well, let's look at WMBBB. All that they did is posted one small Facebook page of a um of a gentleman who put a survey out there and

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that specific Facebook story the average and when I'm looking through here on WBB they have maybe you know there's nowhere near double and triple digit likes, shares and comments. This

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story about the flock survey, which has almost 1,000 people, has 3,200 likes, 1.2 thou 1,200 comments, and 401 shares. So,

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you better get your position down sooner than later. And I would recommend voting on flock and understanding it before the election because if you have political aspirations, you will not win. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Schweitzer.

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Number three, Mr. James Finch. Come on down, sir. Good evening. Good evening. It's James Finch, 410 East Second Street. I'll come up here tonight to talk about item number seven, and y'all taken it off the agenda. It was on

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there this afternoon. You know, World War World War II took four years. It's been six years I've been doing this. Six years. And I had a settlement with it with with y'all. Everybody agreed to it two months ago. And this afternoon,

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y'all take it off. And I understand I was on the way up here and one of those lawyers that was in your shade meeting or shady meeting, whatever you want to call it. He calls me and says, "Listen, they changing the deal." I said, "What do you mean?" He said, "Well, the contract was written wrong and there's something wrong with the contract." I

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said, 'Well, look who wrote the last one. The same lawyers y'all got now wrote it. They was in there telling y'all this is wrong with it and that's wrong with it and y'all pull it from the agenda. And like I said, it's been six years. I don't want to hire. He says, "Well, if we throw it out, you got to

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hire me back." I said, "I don't want to hire you. I don't want no damn lawyer. I want to I want to do what I promised I'd do this city, and I expect them to do the same. and I come up here in 3 minutes, y'all blow me off or one of y'all can give me some time on on your

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commissioner's deal. But this is wrong. I mean, every bit of it wrong. And y'all was going to hire some attorneys tonight. They stopped it. Those attorneys right there stopped it tonight. Y'all couldn't hire Shipman. Shipment called me up, says, "Hey, I got

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to be your lawyer again." I said, "I don't want no damn lawyer." You know, Shipman's a good law firm. And that's all I ever said about them. I don't want want them. I don't want anything to do with the city uh with a city suit. I never wanted to sue the

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city. I sued the city only because that was the only way I could get the truth. Everybody says, "Why did James Fence sue the city? He loves it so much." Because I couldn't get nothing from this dice. Nothing. Five or six years. And it's time for y'all to step up and and do

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what you say you going to do or resign or do something. But this is wrong. Every bit of it is wrong. You got sworn statements. Y'all got a copy of the sworn statements. When they did that, Vicky Gainor didn't last six days. She did it all. She's suing now suing

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y'all for discrimination. You know, I want this settled. If y'all want to meet and try and get this settled, we'll settle it. That's all I want to do. But the lawyers that y'all had four and I had one. I got right here from these people the draft resolution

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approving this settlement and the budget amendment and the contract approval necessary to implement from those people right there sitting there. They've been fired twice and they screwed this deal up this afternoon. I'm out of time, but this is wrong. Yes,

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sir. >> Thank you, sir. Last up is Mr. Ryan Scrape. Um, a note of the advisory boards that you were talking about, I was looking it up, so I didn't get to come up here during that item, but uh, the limit is

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six consecutive years for all standing boards except for the planning commission is eight. Um, so six years from whenever they were appointed is what you're looking at mathwise. However, as a member of the charter committee, I'd like to point out that it does specifically state that it is

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composed of men and women who are residents of the city and who are not disenfranchised by law. Um, so the board members themselves would need to be residents. However, there's a difference between being a board member and being

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an expert that has an open invitation to attend every meeting. I think rather than trying to change the charter to have board members that are non-residents, I think it would be wise to look at that other option and bring

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these subject matter experts in who can give the board advice so the board can make informed decisions to then turn around and give the city manager and the commission uh informed information. Um

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and then some thoughts I have on flock. So um I I've always looked at everything trying to find the balance between our civil rights and good order of being a a productive community and good members of

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society. And the truth is there's always going to be bad people. People can say if you do nothing wrong you don't have anything to worry about. And that's not true because there's always going to be bad people that should make you worried. Just like um we there was a case where a

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gentleman out of Nebraska drove down to um Florida and kidnapped two sisters who he met through Roblox. Um if you're a parent and your child is on Roblox, you should be turning if you're going to let them have Roblox,

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turn the communication features off. Um they shouldn't really have it either. It's ongoing battle I have with my own child. Um, but the thoughts I have on flock are it's it's a useful tool, but it needs to be properly managed and have

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healthy oversight. So some things I think we should look at are reducing the usage of it only for crimes that would be classified as high class highest class of misdemeanor and felonies, limit sharing to the our surrounding states of Alabama and Georgia, reducing

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retention to 15 days, and physically locating the flock cameras we have at the main entrances to the city for inbound traffic only because our neighboring communities already have cameras to show who's leaving Lin Haven.

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Uh so those are my suggestions. It's not an election issue. It's something that can be resolved long before April. Thank you. >> Thank you. Yes, sir. Come on up. We are now open to uh those are the four that

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um signed up for public speaking. Now we'll do an open floor. And Mr. Thompson's floor is yours. >> Bernie Thompson uh the Bernie Thompson show. I want to echo uh what David Switzer said about flock. I agree 100%. Uh, and uh, Mr. Finch, I'll give you an

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hour on my show, sir. I want to know more about the settlement. Uh, why it didn't go through. I'm eager for the city to You already voted this law firm out. I'm eager. They're useless. Worse than useless. I'm ready for them to be gone and for you to get good legal

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counsel that'll be good for the city. Um, just last year if you had given me two headlines and I had to choose which one was real and one headline said Linhaven mayor owns mistake apologizes to citizen and

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the other one says the city of Linhaven flock cameras tracked a ringtail goofus and captured it. I would have said the one that's not true is the mayor apologized. I mean, that could never be true, but it it was true. And I've never

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seen it. I've been covering uh local government. I hit you pretty hard, mayor, the following night for an hour on on my show about it. And I want to salute you, sir, and say um this is real leadership, humility.

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um especially somebody coming from your position, high-ranking military officer, to be publicly wrong and to own it and to fix it and to make the city better. I have great respect for you. I have rarely seen those qualities and that's

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true leadership and I thank you. Um to the rest of you who are considering the new resolution uh for public comments because the current one is wrong and outdated and unlawful. Uh there were two big um uh court cases that came out in 2024.

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Moms for Liberty versus um gosh, what was it? So it's Moms for Liberty. You can look it up. The other one is Mcdana. 2024 cases that govern uh public comments. And there are a couple of things that I would uh warn you about.

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One, decorum is for when we're out here. when we're here, there really are no rules for decorum unless we're, you know, threatening you or something like that. Uh, number two, I'd like to say with regard to disorderly, it is already defined. I don't have time to read it,

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but it's already defined. You you guys don't have to spend time trying to come up with it yourself, but disorderly uh to throw somebody out of a meeting if they're disorderly. Again, that's if you're out here. If somebody out here is interrupting the flow of the meeting

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because they're out here interrupting, um that can be disorderly and that can be thrown out according to the law. But this is the the floor, right? This 3 minutes here, if y'all interrupt, you're the ones being disorderly. And so, finally, I have an idea to protect

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police officers and citizens. It's called verification if anybody else asked an officer to remove a citizen. And I'll send it to you by email. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Any other Come on up, sir. >> Good evening.

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>> Good evening. >> It's good to see you all again. Uh, today I brought some gardening gloves instead of boxing gloves so you guys don't have to be defensive with me. Um, you know, I I wanted to say, you know, I've been watching some stuff from afar because I've had family stuff going on.

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And so, um, you know, let me start out by saying that in the last even 3 months, watching the transparency with the budgets, the growth, how things are being managed at the city and stuff like that is a breath of fresh air compared to a year ago. Um, I know a lot of

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people last meeting brought up, you know, oh my gosh, the budget numbers and stuff like that, but listen, it's it's making sausage. I mean, no one ever got to see that beginning stages of it. They saw it in August, they never saw it in June, they never saw it in May. So, um, you know, seeing the process might be a

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little bit of shock to everybody, but it is a process. It's it's got to whittle it down and and so, you know, getting to see that, getting to watch how it actually happens. It's important for everybody, but I I do appreciate that visibility. Um, so I wanted to say that and um, you know, we're we're going to

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have to make some tough decisions. Just is what it is between debt, between services, you know, the potential property taxes in November, things like that. Um, it's it's going to be tough. It's going to be tough and citizens need to recognize that. Um, so, you know, I I

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appreciate it. I do. Um, it is a breath of fresh air to not have to religiously watch it either on YouTube or be here in the audience to know that things aren't, you know, completely going sideways every time we have a commission meeting. Um, with that said, I I kind of wanted

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to give the commission a challenge. Um, now that we are at least moving forward, we've got a locked in city manager. I know we have some questions about the the police chief, but you know, everything's moving forward, right? Um, I would like to see the commission

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focusing again outwardly. Let the sausage makers make the sausage. Let Chris do what he needs to do and and you know, kind of focus on what we can do to bring resources from the outside back in. So, I have a challenge for each one of the commissioners. Um, Commissioner

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Tinder, uh, you know, you're out in the community a lot. So, I would like you to be our earpiece. bring us the complaints, the concerns, the problems, you know, what the fears are in the community so that we can address them properly and quickly. Commissioner War, um, I would like you to focus on

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legislation. I'd like you to focus on state level bringing us the things that we need to do and being um, you know, ahead of the game instead of behind the game so we can start looking at things like zoning or you know, data centers or things like that, uh, property taxes, those type of things. Commissioner

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Peoples, um, you know, I'd like to see you with sports and recreation and, you know, how families live in the community. Mr. Pero, I like that you're on the the transit boards and and things like that and work with those boards to start bringing those those things. And mayor, I'd like to see you working with,

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you know, the the military and, you know, the state and stuff like that. How can we bring economies here into the city and start bringing those type of things? So, those are my challenges to you and I appreciate the transparency. >> Thank you, sir. Mr. Basher,

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do you need a chair, sir? Are you okay standing? >> I'm good. I'm good. Thank you. Anyway, um first I'd like to say, Commissioner Tinder, you you look better today than you've looked in a long time. I think you're doing great. I I I really do. So, congratulations. I'm glad to see you

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here. Um I just have a question. This could be handled outside of a meeting, but since you're here and I'm here, somebody brought it to my attention that a company that some someone was doing some commercial work at Porter Park where they brought a barge in and were

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unloading old bridge parts or old dock parts and stuff off and loading them on the flatbeds, stuff, dropping in the water. Um, they occupied the center stall and the the Porter Park boat launch for a considerable bit of time doing this. I don't know what the rules

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are, what the what we look at at Porter Park on what commercial activities are allowed there and how they are handled, but it's something we may want to consider. I'm not talking about the the guide boats, the people that do fishing trip guides. I'm talking about heavy construction, that type of commercial

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activity at our boat ramps. Is it allowed? And if not, how do we police that? That's that's all I wanted to talk was say. Just bring that to your attention. >> Thank you, sir. Mhm. >> Um, city manager, have you got that?

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Okay, Mr. Basher, city manager got that. We'll get you an answer on that. >> Come on up, Miss Parker. >> Good evening. >> Good evening. Um, I would like this commission to address the commentary by

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James Finch and what the situation is and also is Vicky Gainor still under that discrimination lawsuit? I know it's Phoenix against Vicky Gainor and the city of Linhaven. However, I'd

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like you to address the commentary by James. Thank you. >> Thank you, ma'am. So, city attorney, would you like to speak to this at this point?

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>> Mayor. Yes. >> City manager. >> Okay. Go ahead. >> Um, >> just give a brief update. >> Sure. Brief update is that the commission had a shade meeting earlier today where we discussed the pending litigation and the commission decided to

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table the um potential resolution. That's pretty much it. >> So, well, that's not it. Alto together. You you guys you are now going back to >> Mr. There's not a we don't think there's a meeting of the minds. Any kind of

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resolution requires both parties to uh come to a mutual agreement and at this point we don't think there's a mutual agreement and we are going to go back to the other party and see if we can come to some kind of mutual solution. Okay. Um,

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okay. Um, any other public comments tonight? Mr. Bench, come on up. When I file I filed my lawsuit against the city of Linhaven and Vicky Gainor,

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I settled with the city of Linhaven. I didn't want to settle with Vicky Gainor. My offer was to if Vicky Gainor would drop her suit against Lin Haven, I would drop mine against Vicki Gainor. The city didn't want me to do that. and

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the attorneys y'all met with this afternoon wanted me to drop the deal with uh her and I didn't I didn't want to do that but they said that's the only way we going to settle with you. I said well I'm tired of the lawyers and I'm tired of all this BS. I says I'll do the

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deal with y'all. And we had a deal and I always was you know if you you make a deal and you shake somebody's hand or you give somebody you work you do that. >> Yes, sir. >> You know what I'm saying? and I come in here five minutes before the meeting. I didn't know anything about this and now

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we're supposed to guess get together or whatever, which that'll be fine. But I mean, it's been, like I say, it's been six years. I've been here 76 years. My family's been here over a hundred and I've been here in L Haven. I never wanted to sue the city of L Haven. I

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wanted to settle this old deal and it's always been that way. And but you got to go through the law to do it when the commission will not work with you. You can't go up there and say, "Hey, we'll do this for for that." You know, especially when you got attorney. When you get two attorneys, you get three

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opinions. And uh so that's that's my deal. I mean, I wanted to drop it against her. And so if if we're not dropping the suit or whatever, then my suit's going to go up place with

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uh Vicki because Vicki I don't I don't think you know I offered I said I'll I'll testify against Vicki because she was not discriminated against. It's not her color. She negotiated her contract.

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She signed her contract. She was happy with her contract until she lost it. Now, she says she wasn't treated as good as y'all treated the white guy. That's wrong. And uh I don't think that you should drop the suit against her or

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whatever, but that's y'all's business. Yes, sir. Mr. pinch. Um, there is not a whole lot I can say other than what I will say is the terms of agreement that you and city

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manager Lightoot came to. The city commission is doing its utmost to honor that. There is one sticking point with legalities with the attorneys that they want to get with you and your attorneys on. That one sticking point is what

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caused us not to be able to settle this tonight. I I can't talk about it here, sir. We But rest assured, all I can say for the commission, Mr. Finch, is the the honorable intent of meeting you with

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what you and city manager had agreed to, we are doing our due diligence to make that happen. There's one sticking point with the lawyers and we got to get that ironed out. But after that it is the intent is to do exactly what you and Mr. Lightfoot agreed to to the best of our

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ability to do so. >> Trust me sir, that was discussed multiple times. Um, but we are going to do our utmost due diligence, sir, to do right and honorable in this. I'm sorry we couldn't

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get it approved today as intended. And the very first I will say one thing that we had in the meeting tonight. As soon as we ended, I asked them to contact you and your attorney uh for due diligence and respect to let you know so you didn't walk in and get surprised just like you did.

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>> Yes, sir. And I apologize for that because that that wasn't right. That I I literally use the term it feels like Lucy in the football with Charlie. >> And I'm sorry you feel that way tonight. >> Yes, sir.

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>> Yes, sir. Understand and I appreciate your patience. Yes, sir. All right. Anybody else for public commentary tonight? Mr. Langford, come on down. Good evening, sir. >> Good evening. There was some uh man,

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there was some heavy stuff talking about consolidating services and stuff and it there are going to be lives impacted. Um there was lives impacted earlier this year and kind of towards the end of last year when the federal government um

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reduced the federal government employees as well. Um this this happens. Uh we we've gotten we've gotten pretty big in the Linhaven government. Um but uh and I I I put something out about this a little while ago. Last year we took $2

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million from our savings account to keep the lights on. That's what happened. You know, this year the first budget was was brought to y'all had a $6 million deficit. Okay. So that's equivalent to us, you know, spending our entire paycheck on our bills and then we got to

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put our groceries on our credit card and then at the end of the month we can't pay our credit card off. We're paying the minimum monthly payment. So there's going to have to be some cuts that's made. There are potentially going to have to be some consolidations of services. What I would ask um because it

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was it was mentioned here talking about response times and that type of thing that when um when when you do start looking at consolidating services, I would like to to somehow figure out what would be an estimation of effects to

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those services. So for example, if our and I'm just throwing out examples. I'm not I'm not I'm not a proponent of consolidating anything. I I want to keep everything we got, but I'm also a realist as well. We got to cut cost. That's just the way it is. I've said it for years. Lyn Haven ain't got a a funding problem. Linhaven's got a

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spending problem. And y'all are tightening your belts on that. And I appreciate it. But if we got a 4-minute response time from the fire department in Linhaven. If we consolidate it to Bay County, what is that? What effects? I doubt they're going to close down all of our fire stations in Linhaven. That ain't going to happen. They're going

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they're just going to say Bay County Fire Department on this front sign out there, not Linhaven. But uh I I would like just at least for the public's perspective and and impactwise, you know, if if those services were consolidated, number one, what are we saving moneywise and what's it costing

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us? But number two, how would that affect the current services that we have? I think that would just kind of at least give us some level of idea of what we would or wouldn't support from from the public's uh concerns. Um I'm going to reserve my my comments on flock. I I

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I hadn't had anybody reach out to me. my my 30-day offer of of of disconnecting from Wi-Fi and and uh you know, nobody wanted to nobody wanted to take me up on that. Um I do have a solution though. Um

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city could get could quote unquote get rid of the flock cameras and uh donate them to the citizens. Uh I think I've said it before. I'll put y'all put five of them out my front yard if you want to and I'll own them and I'll share this the data with the city and then y'all can just do with it whatever you want to. that the city won't own on the flock

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camera. I will um kind of like what they're doing over at the country club. But anyway, it's just a solution. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Langford. Anybody else tonight? >> All right, hearing none. Thank you all

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for the public commentary. Um first up, mayor's report. I think I've already spoken enough tonight, but I appreciate the grace and uh looking forward to moving forward and not looking forward to the tough discussions and decisions we're going to have to make. But it is

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what it is. And so that's why we're here and that's why it's important that we get the public's input and feedback because we all have to live with this. We're all in the canoe together. And so whatever we do, we're all going to have to live with. So, it's it's just vital

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that we get collaboration and teamwork and communication here. So, please stay engaged with us. It's not going to be a smooth ride. It's probably going to be bumpy. Um, but we really need the public's input and engagement. So, thank you for that in advance. With that, I'll

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turn over to uh Commissioner Pero with seat one, and we'll just go straight to my right. Sir, >> I'm sorry. I am just batting a thousand tonight. Uh, Commissioner Pero, I'll start off with you. Seat two, sir. Um, >> thank you, Mayor. I just don't want to

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tie up anyone's time more than we have to. I have estuary meeting tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. at the dean's conference room at um at the Holly Center. And um um I appreciate everyone being here. It's good to see the faces that are here. Um

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thank y'all. Um like you said, we got some tough decisions to make or not make, but we we we got to stand by what we do. >> Yes, sir. Thank y'all. >> Thank you, sir. Commissioner Peebles C1. >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh, one thing I guess

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I want to use my time on my uh, commissioner report is to actually talk about flock a little bit. Um, I do want to say that I hope that we can all agree that if flot cameras are still here that

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I do think we need to have some serious conversations about how we need to have uh better oversight and auditing abilities. We can create some policies for that. We need to have strict consequences if they're misused or abused because that's really what it

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comes down to is it's a tool. Um, we don't want it to be the wild wild west out there. Um, so we need to make sure that it doesn't get get misused. I'm very willing to discuss adjustments to Lin Haven's policies regarding the usage, the retention, and the data

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sharing like Mr. Scra talked about. Um, those are some solutions. I do think we do need to start having those conversations. uh because again it's a tool but you know you could have there's a lot of tools that have good intentions that can have bad

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consequences. So we do need to look at this tool and make sure that it is used properly um if it's going to stay in our tool chest. So I just wanted to encourage the rest of you up here that if you can work with me to and maybe

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Dave or or Mr. Spray or anybody else that wants to talk about it to figure out some policy updates that will um help protect us as a city um and help protect the citizens and their rights and things like that. >> Thank you, sir. Commissioner War seek

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three. The only thing I have is uh when we originally um agreed to the city manager's contract, we talked about having smart goals for the city manager, which is actually specifically spelled

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out in the contract and said within 90 days, uh we would have smart goals. So, um I would like to at the next meeting discuss what those goals are. Um I've already established mine. Like to hear your inputs. Um, I mean, he's been in the seat, I think,

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for a little over 60 days now. So, um, and remember that smart goals are supposed to be specific, measurable, achievable, relevant, and time bound. So, I'd like to add that to the agenda for the next meeting to discuss. That's all I have. Thank you.

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>> Thank you, sir. Commissioner Tender say, >> thank you, Mayor. I appreciate it. >> Well, I tonight I happen to have a lot to say. didn't have much to say last time, but I've got it to say tonight. Um, first off, I would like to commend

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you for how you handled yourself last week, last meeting, and this meeting. You got more temper control than I have. Um, a couple of things that I think are very, very important. I'm really

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disappointed that at the end of our shade meeting this afternoon when you asked the attorneys to reach Mr. Finch so that he didn't have to come here. And I would have swore I heard one or two say yes they would or they at least said

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>> they did. >> Pardon? >> They spoke with Mr. Shipman. >> Oh, so he he was Oh, so Mr. Shipman didn't call Mr. Finch. >> I have no idea. But our attorney spoke to Mr. defenses attorney. >> Okay. Well, I'm glad to hear that. Um,

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the other thing is when it comes to budget cuts and things like that, I'm still uh still waiting on the list of salaries and employees and I asked for that over a month ago. >> At the last commission meeting, you said it was the salary study list you were

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waiting for. The salary study is not complete. Oh, with a just a list of employees with their salaries. >> You said the salary study. >> Okay. Look, I've seen a list of employees with salaries that Vicky

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Gainner did. Read everybody's salary, that kind of thing. It doesn't have to be any kind of >> So, you want a list of employees with just their salary on it? >> Yeah, that's all. That's all. >> Yeah, I asked I asked for it last week and I I got it already. So >> Oh, you did? >> Yeah. So, I would I would recommend just

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shoot an email to CJ for public records request. You can probably get it pretty quick. >> Okay. Okay. I will do that. >> Uh complaints from residents. Boy, am I glad Zach gave that one to me. I don't know. He already left. Um

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yeah. Um, one of the things I would like to discuss is I want to hopefully somebody will make a motion to allow us to have a workshop on the 10th Street project. The what those people have been going

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through is unbelievable. What started out last December and keeps getting put back and back and back has now been pushed from April to June to August. And I would just like a workshop where these residents can come in a non-threatening

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situation like we did before, have everybody down on the floor so we can just sit and chitchat chat and write things down about what's happened during this whole transition. And it's it's still not finished. Um, I think

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it's very very important to the residents number one to be heard and um I'm hoping that you you would agree that we need to have a workshop. I don't care if it's on a Saturday. I think I think

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that's something that um the residents most of them are working folks and I think they you know I'm like everybody else. I don't want to have to get out at 5:30 during the week, you know, at night. But um I think the time spent

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with them is crucial so that we can control how the companies that we hire treat our people. And I got to tell you, it's it's not a pretty picture and I think it needs to be heard.

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>> For the record, I'm more than willing to have one. I've fielded numerous calls myself >> and I appreciate the frustrated residents reaching out. I'm glad to have a workshop. We need to >> Okay. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. Does anybody want to make a motion

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that we have a workshop? I >> mean, we don't have to make a motion. We just make a workshop. >> Just make a workshop. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Do you want it to be on a Saturday so that it's easier for them to come out? >> I think so. But I know that people that have little kids have baseball in the

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morning and all that kind of thing, too. >> It's not baseball season. So, >> Okay. What season is it now? >> We don't really have a season going on right now. >> Oh, good season. You're free. >> You're free. >> Oh, no. >> That town hall.

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>> So, a Saturday. All right. You thinking late morning or early afternoon? >> I'm thinking late morning. >> Okay. >> Or early afternoon, doesn't matter to me. I'm not an 8 a.m. person either. So, >> 8:01. So, maybe an 11 p 11:00 a.m. or 2

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p.m. Something like that. >> Sure, that works for me. And I think uh for the people Yep. I'm getting heads shaking. Yes. That the people out there that would like to be here um 2 pm. >> I'm good with that. >> Okay. >> You want to get it scheduled

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>> kind of schedule? Let's get it get it down like this Saturday. >> Two Saturdays. >> This Saturday. >> Um >> free. This Saturday. >> Saturday or next Saturday? How about we give everybody a little bit of heads up? So, >> okay. Two weeks. >> Next Saturday. >> Yeah, let's do next Saturday.

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July. >> That's 4th of July. >> Never mind. I'm sorry. >> You guys want to meet on 4th of July? >> Saturday. >> Let's do it this Saturday. >> Yeah, my bad. >> This Saturday. >> Okay. Let's do it this Saturday. >> Okay. 2:00 here. Same bat time, same bat

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channel. >> B square. But it's also a good opportunity for people to even if you're not on the 10th Street project, even if you've not lived through this nightmare, it's good for you to hear what we can

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improve on. I mean, we can control this and we can fix it. And um I think it's just important for all of us to get together at one time. >> Do we want the any of the construction companies here? Do we want any of the construction companies that are the the

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the you said >> Oh, I'd love the construction company to come. >> Okay. I mean, I I don't know. I'm I'm directing city >> very likely just be staff for Saturday at a 2 p.m. >> staff.

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>> Yeah, we can invite them. We can invite them so they can defend all the accusations. Yeah. It doesn't have to be a bombardment, but they'd probably want to defend themselves at some point. >> Sure. Yeah. >> This is more probably a venting and a being heard because there's a lot of our

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residents around 10th Street that are are very upset and they feel very run over, for a lack of a better term. And the other thing I want to say um publicly that's very important is I want Ben Jenkee to know

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that um even though I asked for public records, he does live on 10th Street, he did have his driveway poured. He says he paid for it with his own money. Um and I have no reason not to believe him. And I don't

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want him to think that I was trying to um in any way uh say he's a bad person or he's a liar or anything else. Uh but I did put in for a public request. And of course CJ had to copy Ben on it. So

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I'm going to say it publicly. I don't want Ben to think that I'm out after him or anything. Um all I was doing was asking if there was a receipt for him paying that $7,000 to have his driveway poured. Um, so Ben, I know you're not here tonight. Don't think the

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worst of me. I was just asking. Um, because there are other people asking on that project as well. So, um, I'm excited. So, we're doing it not Oh, we're doing it this Saturday. >> Yes, ma'am. 27th at 2 p.m.

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>> Okay. I'll be here. and uh let everybody down on 10th Street and all those side streets connected that um this is a place to come and voice your opinion and give us an outline of what we can do to improve because we have a lot of room to improve

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uh when it comes to dealing with our residents. Um other than that, I I just can't imagine anything anything else I can talk about. >> Thank you, ma'am. >> So, thank you. And I want to second I don't remember who gave you the

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compliment. Is it you, Mr. Basher? I gave you the compliment that your color does look great. You look much better post postmed treatment. >> Now, now if I would just get smart enough to take my medication. Yeah, I don't like to take anything. I don't

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know why I'm taking it. You tell me why I'm taking it and if it makes sense to me, I'll take it. >> Well, I remember. But thank you. I feel much better. We're glad to have you back with us in person. >> Thank you. >> All right. And with that, city manager, over to you, sir. >> Yes, sir. Um, we are working on the

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fiscal year 27 budget. Um, CJ will be sending out a date for a workshop. We haven't confirmed with everyone yet. So, we're just going to schedule a date and roll with it. We had active shooter training um for staff, city hall staff as well as all city um the other day,

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hosted by our police department. I attended a CRA training uh two Fridays ago. sent you all the information on it was very informative about CRAAS and what you can and cannot do with that with that funding. We did uh approved the procurement policy the first revision back in

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December. Uh we told you all we would be bringing back in July for just hey we've been dealing with this for 6 months. We found some some ways to improve or some things that need need to change as well. So we will be be bringing that to you all at the next meeting for the second revision in it.

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staff has been working on a new agenda software. We hope to go live with it in the coming months. Uh so you all will be seeing your agenda a little bit differently as well as um how the meetings are streamed and how the agendas are are posted online will be a little more efficient for staff as well.

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July 4th is going to be here before you know it already. Um staff has been doing a great job planning for that. Uh getting everything lined up. So we're looking forward for another great event. We'll see you all there. We got approval from FDM for the Wyoming Avenue drainage project. It's an HMGP

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funded project. It's been ongoing since 2023. Finally got the go-ahhead for them. So, next meeting we will bring a budget resolution to you all so that we can add that to the budget and get it advertised. Again, that's a 100% reimburseable project. Crews will be installing dock bumpers at

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Porter Park on the dock next week. And reminder, we have the ULDC workshop July 10th at 10:00 a.m. All-Star baseball teams are leaving out tomorrow for games will start Friday. We've got several teams going to participate there in South Haven, Mississippi for that.

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Justin has our fall ball registration open about 70% full as of yesterday, so likely we'll have another full league very soon on that one. Uh we've also got the beach volleyball lights. The solar lights were installed out of the beach volleyball court. Staff did that in

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house. They look great, very bright. So, we'll have the opportunity for our residents to play beach volleyball there at the sports park until 10 p.m. >> And then the Play It Forward event, not sure if any of you got to go out to Kinsaw for that a couple Saturdays ago with um with the United Way. Um we're looking forward to doing that again next

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year, but it's where people bring donations in of retired sports equipment um pass it on to other kids. There were some companies that donated uh some funding for the United Way. They bought new new equipment as well and gave all that away for free. Our police and fire participated, gave out ice cream and

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popsicles uh to the kids. So, it was a great event. Looking forward to hosting that again with the United Way next year. >> Then any questions for Miss Roman with the checklists? >> Oh, >> no. She already answered my questions. >> I have a question for you, Mr. City Manager. I think I know who it is, but

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who's the headliner for Fourth of July? >> Oh, great dads, right? >> They're opening. >> Opening. Okay. >> Yes, sir. There's three total, I believe. >> Okay. Grateful dads or local boys? >> I think actually the Grateful Dads have canceled and it's another one total, but

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uh we'll get that posted on who it's going to be. >> Can I ask a question? Um when will we be voting on the attorney situation? >> You all decided earlier at the next meeting. >> At the next meeting. Okay. and they're

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going to share the results by email with us once Corey get gets them consolidated. He has all five inputs now. They can share that with us and we'll know what we're walking into at our next meeting. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Yes. Um I go ahead, sir.

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>> I just wanted to piggy back on what Commissioner Tinder said earlier. Should have spoke up, but um I I on what you said about the receipts. I do think it's I hope that staff doesn't think that when we're asking for receipts, we're questioning their integrity or anything

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like that. When we have when we have receipts of things happening, it protects the citizen and it protects the city because it proves that what that what is being said is factual with data. So, I hope that um if you are if you're

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a staff member and you happen to see a public records request that you don't take it as a questioning your integrity. It's more of getting the data to prove what you said is true and we can prove if a citizen is asking or we're asking we can prove that what you said is true

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and we have data. It's just like if you go to court it you don't want to have a he said she said you want to have the factual evidence in front of you. So if you're trying to you know whatever you're looking to do it's good to have receipts. >> So

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>> I can I add on to my thing? Yes ma'am. Um, I did want to say something about Flock. Um, you know, I voted I I don't care for it. I got my records. They were false. They were ridiculous. They showed me driving a black BMW. I wish I was.

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Uh, but I'm not. And you can't believe what you read. You can't believe what you see in the pictures that they give you either. Um, I I feel that. And I I know for a fact without saying too much that uh our last

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police chief watched certain people coming into town and leaving town. So if we put them all in your yard, Corey, we wouldn't have an issue at all. Um and and that was being done deliberately, you know. So that's one of the things

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that and I'm not saying our police officers are crooked or anything like that. I'm not insinuating that, but um I've read stories about how people who have access, you know, look for their ex-girlfriends

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and watch their house to see if anybody's coming over or whatever. I think like somebody over on 10th Street, matter of fact, said, um, "Everybody thinks flock is a good thing because they can keep track of everything, but yet you're at home with your back door

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wide open." and they were talking about the fact that they can sell all that information and give it you know give it to other people and stuff like that. So I I think flack or flock is something that we need to keep our eyes open and I

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believe it was totally brought in by uh the last police chief also for whatever reason but um I like the idea of putting all the cameras in Corey's yard all facing his garden. Thank you.

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>> Thank you, ma'am. All right, Miss Kiki, do you have anything for us financially? >> Last meeting's bad news was bad enough, right? So, we'll chew on it for two meetings. We're still glad you're here and I appreciate you more and more every day. I don't see how you have as much hair as you have and you don't pull it

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out. But, thank you for all you do for us. Certainly, last but not least, city attorney. Uh, I just wanted to thank the commissioner for the time earlier today uh with y'all. And other than that, no report. >> Thank you, sir, for all you do. And with that, if there's no other issues or

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concerns, we'll adjourn. Thank y'all.