All [Music] right, calling our meeting to order at 5:31 p.m. This time we have invocation and pledge of allegiance by Pastor Brad Friday. Let us all pray.
Father God, we thank and praise you for another day, a beautiful day that you've given us here in Lind Haven. And father, we ask for your divine intervention, God, as we prepare to do things that are are positive and productive for this
community. Father, I pray for your divine wisdom, your understanding, your knowledge. God, that you might guide us and navigate us, that we might work together as one, one community to accomplish the goal. In the name of your son, Jesus, we thank and praise you. Amen.
Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, Miss Jerry Parker.
Good evening, commission. Um, what I'm going to say today is a total 360 of what I was going to say, but I got some information today that is very relevant to city hall. So, I'm going to read some little excerpts from
this. And none of what follows is personal is strictly business and professional issues. One major concern is initially obvious that the employee policies and procedures manual does not apply to all employees.
Upon hiring, our building was a child care facility. Children were here after this person left to pick them up from school every afternoon. All afternoon until time to get off. They would be running around in the circles yelling, falling, crying,
going in and out of everyone's office while staff was trying to work, playing hideand- seek. That was going on for months. It has decreased considerably. However, there are occasions it still occurs. Additionally, there's a door that leads from the waiting room to the
back work area which has a keypad for security that has never worked. It is often left propped open for a current boyfriend to come and go and bring food and coffee and drop off children. There was a completely inappropriate relationship that was going on between
another employee and Mr. Vanader. It was brought to my attention this that another employee also reported this which apparently went unressed. This other employee often walked around belting out save a horse ride a cowboy.
This could be heard throughout the office work area. She would go into Van Adder's office and her words were perform a pole dance and sing karaoke. There were a couple occasions when this employee accompanied by another employee for
these performances. On one le on one occasion wore Vanader's cowboy hat while parading around the office singing the favorite save a house ride a cowboy. This employee in Vanader would openly share words of affection. I love you
Charles. I love you too. And I am aware on at least one occasion they left the office together during work hours. Miss Gainor, this is your department. These are employees of city hall with
this kind of behavior. This kind of behavior that is unbecoming of this city and it's embarrassing. This information that I received today is valid and true
and it needs to be addressed. This is disgusting. Thank you. Thank Christie Maroy. Good evening, Commission Christy Maroy. Um, I hope you all had an opportunity to
read uh, The Florida Phoenix by Craig Pitman when you're defending a wetland results in jail. Um, I of course live in Port St. Joe, but I grew up in Bay County and what happens in both counties, we kind of share a lot of
things like our uh state attorney and as I mentioned, I was kept in the system for 6 months and that was at the call of our state attorney, Larry Bassford. I put in front of you all a letter that
I wrote to Mr. Bassford as to the injustice that was done to me. I didn't violate um a construction site because it had no permits. Now, the interesting thing is one of the contractors was George
Roberts who should know that you don't go and do construction without permits. What I was able to prove through documentation, getting arrested, and reaching out to D is the city of Port
St. Joe and the contractors indeed needed permits, but I was held into the system for 6 months. So, I've cleaned up the language. I sent this all to you on email. There's a problem at the top. And
the way that that our state attorney prosecutes and persecutes people for no reason except for for politics is unacceptable. Thank you, Rich Walker. Good evening. Um, I look forward to
getting that information on Mr. Vanetta. Um, and attending most of the budget meetings and the financial meetings. The last two are very disturbing, but they center around one thing that
I've worried about a long time over the years, and that's Santex. You guys passed legislation putting them in charge. And in the last financial meeting, I discussed it with the chairman and I
expressed this concern. Santex doesn't know what they're doing and you're asking them to do it and they're charging you $60,000 and everything they've done
has been wrong, incorrect. The last two finance committees sent back their paperwork to Santex and I've watched it. Mr. Hall did it. He says,"I cannot sell this to the community." Therefore, Mr.
Hall finally left the finance committee. And since then, whoop, downhill they go. I look forward to some new stuff. However, sending back their paperwork for a retread
and the same thing comes back over and over again. You've got to take a look at this. You've got to get somebody that knows what they're doing here. They have not made a decision. Nobody's made a decision to put this on the water bill.
Upgrade the tears. Yes, you got a five-year program. I mean, we're going to be un inundated with updates to the storm water thing every year. You can't get it together. You should be
able to. again finance committee was not happy in the minutes of the last meeting not happy with Santex whatsoever. So, I would suggest that you forget them, take it on your own, and start making decisions,
which is what we pay you for and what we elected you for. Harry Adams. Evening. I took my wife to a local restaurant about two weeks ago. I parked right next to the restaurant to
a in a disabled parking area. I put up my disabled sticker. I went in the restaurant. My wife and I enjoyed the dinner at Victoria's last fight.
We came out and my vehicle was being being towed away. There was no indication of any further restriction in that area to parking there.
There were all kinds of parking places available next to me, but there was no sign at all that I was parking illegally. I think this it was very deceptive to have a
parking area for disabled in that area without some indication of some further restriction and I would request that something be done about it. Thank you. We'll look into that. Robert Moore.
Uh, Robert Moore live in Country Club Harbor here in Lin Haven. Um, Mr. Mayor, um, madam city manager, commissioners, city staff, thank you for the opportunity to speak. Um,
my wife and I moved here three years ago and uh, we were seeking we moved from Minnesota, so we were seeking warmer weather, which we certainly have, um, lower taxes and a sense of community. We found that here in Lhaven, one of the
first things we did when we when we moved to the city was get actively involved in the senior activity center. Um, we were welcomed with open arms. Now, for me, that sense of community, I was born and raised in Panama City,
uh, graduated from Behigh in 1967, went away to college and didn't come back for 55 years, and things have changed a little bit. But that sense of community that I feel here is very strong. And I'm here to tell you tonight about something you're doing right. Not
going to complain about anything. Um the senior activity center they welcomed us with open arms. We got involved with line dancing and very involved. Met one of my high school classmates there. Um it was just such a
such a welcoming environment. Um now my wife has continued with that. I have fallen into the pickle ball cult over at the Charlie Smith gym. So, I'm spending my ankles and knees are telling me I'm spending way too much time over there. I should be line dancing. But, um, aside
from the exposure to the, um, senior activity center via my wife and probably more importantly than the purpose of keeping my wife happy is that senior citizen center is the throbbing
heartbeat of the senior community in this city. some 15% of your residents of our residents or about 3,000 people are seniors, 65 plus.
Um, of those 3,000 or so, 360 are active members at the senior city. And of that 360, 40 approximately 40% of the membership participates in
activities every day that that door is open. 40%. I doubt that you have any other city programs where your targeted cohort participation is that high. Um and in addition to that, it is a highly
effective uh vehicle for delivery of citizen services. It is self-governed and self-administered. You don't have any city staff tied up there. City resources are not consumed beyond, of course, maintenance of the building or utilities, which you would have in any
case. Um, thank you. That's Mr. Moore. That's your time. I'm sorry. Yeah, but I was going to say, you got a good thing going with the senior center. Let's not mess it up. Thank you.
Jody Moore, I'm actually going to give you guys a compliment. Um Jerry and I just came from uh pan the Panama City meeting and they are considering shutting off public commentary and restricting agenda item
commentary to only residents. And this commission at least so far I know that there's been some consideration of public commentary and how that should go. But at least this commission has not done that. And I would encourage you not to go down that road. Um I hope that you won't. I know you take a lot of heat um
on this commission. you elected officials, but you signed up for that and that's the voice of the people coming to speak to you. So again, I just want to compliment you on not taking the step that Panama City took and please
don't consider that. Thank you, Bernie Thompson. Um, regarding uh the public comments, I fully expect that you will do that. You you according to statute, you can ban these non-aggenda comments, and I'm sure it's coming, but I your city attorney
knows that Panama City nor you can discriminate against who makes public comments on agenda items. Now, I know she knows that because we were in federal court together in front of Judge Weatherall in 2020. So, that is illegal. Um, and Panama City will have to adjust
that. But I mayor, last time I was here, I alleged that you had uh donated surplus funds illegally to your church for where you're a pastor. And you posted on Facebook that you didn't think that your accusers um and complainers would publicly correct the statements. I don't know if
what you said is true, but I'll read just a a couple of sentences. You said that when finalizing my report for the supervisor of elections, it initially showed I would have funds to distribute to a nonprofit. However, once the actual expenses were calculated, the funds were
not available. When I contacted the SEO to correct my report, I was informed that the system was locked and uh it could not be amended. So, it was a non-issue until a complaint was made by a concerned citizen. An investigation was conducted by FDLE and uh you have
received the results of the investigation from state attorney Larry Bassford. So evidently it was investigated and uh I mean if the system's locked what can you do right hopefully every citizen gets that kind of break. Second thing I want to ask you
is is Chris forhand and panhandle engineering is he deciding who gets contracts and are you paying him more than $100,000 a year to make those decisions? Would like to know that. Uh three, does this building have sprinklers?
According to state law, life safety, this building, which I believe until recently, if not now, had a uh temporary certificate of occupancy. And again, as city attorney Amy Myers knows cuz we went through this back in 2017 18, if a city if a building does not have
sprinklers, it has to be shut down lickety split. So, I'd like to know that final thing, when looking at this city hall, I I I went to a the government uh website for the county and I saw a building. I thought it was a Lita, but
it turned out to be this building. Okay? And I looked up the parcel number and do you know what the county says in the uh city view section? You're going to want to write this down. It's the most shocking thing I will ever tell you. at the Bay County government website, city
view section. If you type in this parcel number, it will indicate that you have $2 billion of property improvement value. $2 billion of property improvement value. Look it up. I don't know what it
means, but please let the public know what that's about. Thank you, Daniel Johnson. Good evening, Commission. I just have one question tonight. I never get up here and I never speak at this podium. Uh, but in full transparency, um, I've actually wanted
to know for quite a while now why city manager Gainner continues to allow Panhandle Engineering to work and consult for the city after Chris Forehand's immunity deal. And why, Mayor, have you and the other commissioners not done more to safeguard
us from more of those same actions? I'd like to hear from every member on this commission about this subject tonight, please. Thank you, and I yield back my time. Marin Tommen 2312 Country Club Drive Marvin Tin
2312 country country club drive. Okay. All right. And also have a Judy for that same address. Okay. Uh Mitch from 1208 Massachusetts Avenue.
Oh, there we go. 1208 Massachusetts. Mitch Oakley is my name. I promised my wife tonight I was going to chill. She's concerned about me chilling. So, I've learned some things tonight. Sorry that happened to you.
That tells me you deserve an officer present. I hope. Secondly, my father was a pastor. I said, "This is for you." The one thing that I took away from him starting 12 churches and preaching most of his life. I asked him one day, I said, "How come you don't sit on the finance committee?"
He said, "Son, when a preacher hears the word money, he runs. He gets away from it. I would encourage you to try to distance yourself some from some of these money things because it's dragging you down into into the moment. Give you some update on how it's going for ordinary people. I got a
letter today like a lot of people did around here recently. My flood insurance went from $700 to $4,800 a year. Okay. So, when we talk about a little addition like 300 to park my trailer somewhere, that's going to make a difference. Now, we're up to 800 bucks a
month. Pretty soon I won't I'll have to go and get Victoria's to give me my sandwich. So, tread slowly when it comes to adding burden. And the other thing with the city, ma'am, I don't know what you've learned in managing people, but the worst thing somebody could ask me when I ran a business was they wanted a
raise because somebody else made more than they did for doing the same job. I usually wrote their check and told them I see you later. Okay? Don't let people ride you. You're supposed to be driving the truck. Okay? Thank you all. And I chill pretty good.
She'll be proud. Mr. George Hans. Good evening. 1603 Rhode Island Avenue. Uh, welcome to all of y'all for the great afternoon we're having here in May County. I'm here just to say born by my own flesh and my flesh, there's only one God. God sees all and will take care all
in time. We need to judge not before we be judged and I wish you peace and happiness. That's it. Thank you, Mr. Tony Bastik. Good evening, mayor, madame manager, fellow commissioners, citizens of great
city of Linhaven. The latest attempt by Mr. James Finch to influence governance here in the city. I believe it is vital to bring some parody to this latest attempt at bullying this city into cowtowing to him. Since January of 1999, Mr. Finch and his companies have netted
$46,240,539 from the city of Linhaven in various contracts. That works out to $138,040 each and every month for the last 306 months or 26 years. In December of last year, Mr. Finch and his companies
received their last check from the city of Linhaven in the amount of $4,312,791, his final payment on his last contract with the city. This ended payments of $21,21 per month. With this payment, the city saved approximately $1.3 million in
interest payments alone on the loan made to the city by Mr. Finch. It in in his widely circulated letter to the residents of Lin Haven, Mr. Finch repeatedly made solic salacious allegations against the city manager,
Mrs. Gainor. allegations such as she gave $41,000 to city employee employees in the form of $200 Christmas bonuses in 2018 when in fact it was Michael White that did this. The allegation that she authorized and
signed $4.9 million in false invoices when in fact Michael White again conducted this action. Mr. Finch intentionally muddied the water by not properly identifying the actual culprit in each of these instances. Michael
White, I make this appeal to you to state the course and not be unduly influenced by bad actors within the community due to the fact that if you ask the residents of Lin Haven to have respect and faith for this institution, you must
set the standard and live by it. Thank you for your attention and for allowing me this opportunity to come before you and God crown your heads with wisdom to continue leading the city of Linhaven and David KMarti. Good evening
I'm David KMarti, 75 years of age, was born on Arkansas Avenue, raised on Illinois, married a girl off of Louisiana, and we presently reside at 1315
Wisconsin Avenue. Until very recently, I saw Lyn Haven becoming becoming a more perfect community. Now, I'm not so sure.
Because if you want to know hatred, dysfunction, and discrimination, I invite you back to a time when the entire south side of Lin Haven was
comprised of black families. When the black kids were ushered to segregated March Green Elementary, when I played baseball as a youngster on
segregated ball fields, and when just two blocks north of here, where we are gathered now, black citizens had to endure dehumanization
at that segregated laundry and cleaner. During this time, was the city administration always vigilant and perfect? I say not. Is the administration perfect today?
Probably not. But by any measure, it is light years better. So I say to some of my fellow citizens, if you keep up this counterproductive
movement, you just may succeed in making this community great again. Let that soak in. However, may it be in God's will that we keep
moving forward. Thanks for allowing me to speak my peace. Right. That is our public commentary and additional public commentary. Right. This time we move on to the uh
mayor's report. My report is brief for this evening. Uh past couple of weeks been working with the city manager to resolve uh citizen concerns and provide updates on various inquiries um from the citizens. Um also had a
chance to meet uh with uh Mr. Dan Ken. He's the president of I A um ARO Group. I met with him um after the um gathering at Tom Haney Technical College. Uh some of our staff was able to go. Thank you, Ben, for going and and welcoming him to
our community and working with him. Um, and Becca Harden on on their transition here. Uh, and with the I Aerrow Group, they're going to bring approximately 150 jobs uh to Linhaven out of the old Sally May building. And so, we're glad to have
that occupied um once again um there in the industrial park. And this business is uh going to be focusing on commercial aircraft engine services. Um and he will also be donating um a commercial aircraft engine to the aviation program at Haney Techch uh technical college
which is approximately over a million dollars in value. And so um we look forward to uh the jobs that are um provided the citizens that will be employed um and being a part of the um aviation growth that is happening um
within and throughout Bay County. Um, also I think earlier it was said I made a Facebook post or some kind of statement on Facebook. Um, I didn't make a statement on Facebook. I didn't make a post on Facebook. So, um, I I have I I haven't made a a statement or a post on
Facebook. Not that I'm aware of. Um, so, uh, that is my report. Commissioner Peoples. Thank you, Mayor. Uh this past week I had the opportunity with Commissioner Perno to attend a ribbon cutting ceremony with the Bay County Chamber of
Commerce and Habitat for Humanity. Graciously Commissioner Pero was the one that made any type of speech. I just got to stand there with emotional support. But uh it was a great reminder of the impact that can happen between
partnerships and local community and how it can how it can truly change lives. It was uh right over uh this way a little bit over this way. Um and it was it was a new house for a family and it was it was um really touching really really touching.
Also have some meetings scheduled with citizens to reach out that reached out that want to talk to me. So, I I um thank you for doing that. I just want to encourage any of the rest of you that out there that would like to schedule a meeting with me. Uh just reach out to me however you want, whether that's Facebook, calling me, texting me,
whatever. I'll be happy to meet with you. Also have a uh my monthly coffee meetup at Wild Routt uh this Saturday at Wild Routt at 8:00 a.m. You can stop by and chat if you want. If not, you want to talk at a different time, that's
cool, too. Just reach out. And in addition to that, I also am starting something new. I started a monthly newsletter. So, um, I know that I've been available and I keep my, you know, Facebook active and and all that kind of stuff, but I just wanted to add another way to communicate. So, if you want to
be part of that newsletter, just, uh, reach out to me with your information and I'll get you signed up for that. Uh, yep. And, um, I just wanted to talk about a few notes from citizens that I recently recently had. Uh, one trending thing that I saw is that just something
to consider is that uh some of the citizens were talking about food truck Fridays and I do remember how cool that was. So maybe we can consider doing that again in the future. Maybe when it's not so hot cuz it's really really hot but you know maybe when it's cooled down some maybe that's something we can start
again. Another question that I don't know the answer to and I had a few people ask me and I apologize I I haven't got the chance to or I did have the chance but I've not asked yet is is the Independence Day concert it used to be broadcast on the radio. Is that going
to happen this year? Do we know? Okay. All right. Um again just want to say I'm here to serve. I appreciate the opportunity to serve and for all you reaching out to me. As far as some of the questions asked, we had some questions about uh panhandle
engineering. Um I would encourage you to go to our last meeting because we did and read the minutes or or watch the video. Um the same question was pretty much asked and and city manager uh went into great detail on answering that. As far as the
$100,000, what happens typically is a contract uh panel engineering and our other firms are on a continuing contract. if they are awarded the contract or that when it's their rotation for the contract, part of that contract is typically selecting
uh who gets the contract based on the bidding process. Um it's not a flat fee of $100,000 per contract. It's based on what the bid is or what whatever, right? Um if you want more information on that, um I'd happy to get it to you by or you
can um go back and go back to that last meeting. Uh, as far as the $2 billion improvement value of the city hall, we we don't we don't do that. Like, we don't create the improvement value of our own buildings. That's typically done
by um the uh the county with their appraisers. So, that's not anything we do. Um, in fact, I found out when I've tried to sell a house in the past, uh, that your improvement value or whatever is not anywhere close to what it'll
actually sell for. Um, it depends on a lot of factors and I'm sure any realtors out there can can back me up on that. Uh, as far as the sprinklers, um, do we have sprinklers? All right. Um, I think that's all the questions I had that were asked. Um,
sorry if I missed any. If I did, please come to me ask. I'll get the answer. And uh that's all I have. Thank you for to the staff and everything. I know it was a hot weekend. There's a lot of activities that went on around the city. People were uh staff was out working in the in the heat and I appreciate you for
doing that. Thank you. Um thank you. And I guess also following up on what Commissioner Peele said in regards to Panhandle. Uh they do not decide who receives a contract from the city of Linhaven. The five of us that sit up here make that decision. And so
when a bid goes out, we the five of us make a decision on who actually receives that staff makes a suggestion to us and then we look at the scores and from that we decide if that company receives the contract or not. So most recently we had
a company that came and complained that they did not receive the contract. They didn't c they didn't contact Panhandle. They came to the commission and came to us about them not receiving a contract. So, um, it's the five of us that make that selection when there's a bid process that goes out as to who receives
that contract. Commissioner Peebles, I mean, Commissioner Perno. Thank Thank you, Mayor. Um, I don't have much. Um, I did I did go to the um the the key ceremony for the Habitat for Humanity
and uh, man, it's it's amazing to see how the community comes together. I know Mr. Hines, they told me that you were you were involved with Habitat for a long time. And when you see real estate, um, construction, you know, the chamber
is one thing for the ribbon cutting, but everyone, the architects, everyone does gratus work to make that happen. And the homeowner, Porsche, she, you know, she she's buying that home.
She's investing in it. It's it's sweat equity and and her you know her family donated the property particularly for this one and she had to drive she works two jobs and she had to drive her children to to their grandmother's house
that lives on that street. Now she'll be just her children will just have to go one house over or grandma could come to their house. And when they started saying stuff like that it it got me. I had to I I I baldled up right away. So,
I know uh I I I it just um I didn't know those things were so emotional, but it it changes people's lives. Um Angela Cop is the um is the director for the Habitat for Humanity here in Bay County, and I knew her from the Linhaven Rotary
Club, and she was with United Way before that. She is one heck of a ramrod type person that gets all those all those trades and all those people together for this kind of stuff. and and and the homeowner is very well invested in. It's
it's just amazing. Um I'll switch to um the and and you know, we got a new we have a new family in Linhaven because of that. It's it's just good work. It's just really is. And I met I met another new new family today at the bank that are moving here from Birmingham. And uh
you know, it's it's it's that people are people are coming here. I know the gentleman who said he moved here three years ago from Minnesota. We we love that, man. I love to hear that people want to come and live in Linhaven. It's just it just means it means a lot. And for the people that have been here their
whole lives, I think I think they know what what a special place we have amongst us. You know, the Florida boom has not hit us yet. You know, this is still a small town and a great town to live in. Um I've seen it happen in in my hometown in Central Florida. It changed
in in just a small amount of time. Um, I did talk to a woman today who grabbed me, tapped me on the shoulder and said, "I want a library." I said, "Yes, ma'am. We want a library, too." So, whatever we're doing on work on the library, I
just want to let people know it. It, you know, and I know in my heart, I want I want that place for everybody to I want the kids from Linhaven to be able to walk over and I want I want that place to be special wherever we put it. We just got to get the ball rolling. So,
um, and then on a on another note, um, there was a very tragic accident this past Friday in the country club, and my heart goes out to, uh, everyone involved. Um, and um, I say it all the time, but the sounds and the reaction
from our police and fire and EMTs was probably, you know, you've never seen anybody moving so fast in on these little roads. Friday night, I live off Indiana. I was getting phone calls. I had called the city manager say, "Hey,
what's going on?" Cuz nobody nobody wasn't getting there fast. and and the reaction time for for our folks was amazing and Florida Fish and Wildlife. Um it's just it was an accident on the water and it's just it
was just one of those things you wish never happened. So um I'll I'll leave it at that and thank you to all our city employees. Thank you to all the people in the chairs right now that care enough to be here. Um it I I really appreciate it. So that's my report. Thank you,
Commissioner Ward. Yes. So, thank um just want to thank everyone for coming. This is a good turnout. I always like it when a lot of people get involved with our city. So, I appreciate you coming out. Um glad to be
back. I've been gone for a while. Um had a family member that needed to get some surgery, so I had to go up there and make sure they were taken care of. So, I'm glad to be back. Um I did have a couple things I wanted to bring up, and normally I would have brought this up at the pre-commission meeting, but we
didn't have one. uh this time around. Um I know me and the city manager talked about this with the um the fine that we got from D. It was $170,000 fine and then you can do what's called in kind support project as long as it's 1 point
I think it's 1.5 times more than what the fine is. And the discussion I had with her was when the decision was made to do the inind support project, it should have came to us to agree to that.
Um, not saying the city made a bad decision. I agree with the decision, but it's a policy and procedure thing. And, um, I just wanted to bring it up and see what you guys thought. Am I out of line for thinking that or do you understand
what I'm talking about? Yeah, I think consent orders I mean they I don't I don't know of any other municipality that it goes straight to the commission. I mean, usually it's reported through the department and we knew it was coming and we talked about it. I mean, we we we
we talked to Mr. Mr. Lifefoot about it. Mhm. Many many times before it came out and then we talked about the amount that it was. Right. And the process is either pay the fine or, you know, line up a project like we did
that has nothing to do with what you were fined for. So, anything we did to the sewer or or or the, you know, the the water treatment plant would have would have not counted. So, right, this this uh you know, I thought it was very strategic and I mean, I I felt like we
were informed. I just didn't know. I still think it should have came to us and we make the decision as far as whether we want to use that for inind support project. Do we want to just pay the fine? Is there another option? That type of thing. I'm not saying we weren't
informed. I know. But don't you say the way it work that we should have still came to us to be voted on. That's all I'm saying. I I think we were informed the whole way though. and and the pro what what they were presenting made sense to be the
best option, right? It still should come to us for a vote though is what I'm saying. Well, it did when we voted for the for the lift station the project talking about the last meeting. Yeah, that decision was already made before that. I'm talking when initially comes down from D, right? D says, "Hey, we're
finding you and then you have a decision to make." That decision was made by the city. It should have been made by us is what I'm saying. Oh, I don't I think you see what I'm saying. Well, what's the city manager for? She's doing her job. I think we figured out the best way to
skin the cat. But shouldn't we be the ones that make that decision? Because it's budgetary stuff. We make decisions on budgetary stuff. It was brought before us in the best manner to solve the the issue and we we all agreed to do it. Someone's
How long ago was this? Um, they've been coming down the pipe for a while. And then is this when all the fish died? No. Oh, that's a different time. No, this is this is from this is from more than one instance when we had major rainfalls and
we had a we had a we had what's called INI infiltration of the sewer system where all the groundwater basically raced back into the sewer system and backed it up and then there was a release of actual sewer into the bay and
it happens it happens in Panama City. it happens and you know and that's where strategically having a water treatment plant at the water's edge is not the answer anymore. It was in the 40s and 50s when they built these things but
these things are are obsolete and I've preached that preach and we're we're trying to go a route to to move it and whatnot. But this is what happens when when you you have to report how what you did what happened how many gallons or
whatever was released and then D gets involved and then they issue a consent order and it's like a fine. So and and I think Mr. Life was bringing it to us the whole time and I mean so I guess just make sure I'm clarifying here. So you're
you're okay with the city manager making that decision, not us. as long as we're we're involved as they're making it. I mean, that's what a city manager does. So, the answer question to answer the question is a city manager should be making that decision, not us. I think
it's a city man. It's part of a city manager's job. Okay. Yeah, I do. I mean, am I might be the dumbest guy in the room right now, but hell, we pay her money. Let her do her job. Okay. I just I just thought it was a
formality thing that should have went to us, but unless I'm wrong here. Okay. Um, the last thing I have, and this is another thing that me and the city manager talked about and I campaigned on, and this is something I want to make sure that we get right, is
the budget process. Um, one of the things that I campaigned on and I and I discussed with the city manager was when we get presented the budget, each of the department heads present their budget. They tell us what
have they accomplished this fiscal year, what are their shortfalls, what are they projecting to accomplish next fiscal year, and present us with any information they think is is viable for us to make uh smart decisions on the budget. So to me, I want I would like to
see the department heads present their budget to us with whatever data and facts. You know, for instance, I know the fire department, for I understand the fire trucks are pretty old, and that would be good data to have. How old are they? What's the average age of them?
How much maintenance costs are on there? How long is response time? Have we ever had a case where something broke down, we couldn't make it there? Things like that. And I wanted to get your guys' thoughts on it. I I think that you're
you're on that. You're on the ball on that. And I do believe that at our strategic planning, every department head comes to us in that manner and in and with just what you're saying.
That's long range, but it's longange. It's it it I'm talking just the budget process. Well, we that's uh that's fiveyear plan, one-year plan. So, I mean, I know Chief Dange came to us when it when they wanted to buy that firet
truck, you know, and and he pleaded his case at strategic planning, right? So, I think you're on. I mean, absolutely. Whatever format that you would like, I think we could fit that into our strategic planning day. Yeah. And that's
I'm good with that, too. I think that's the time to do it because we're we're we're setting we're setting their feet for the budget, right? So if you look at and a good city to look at and I've lost l looked at a lot lot of other cities look at Panama City when you see how
they do their budget they go in great detail and they look at a lot of data and facts so they can make informed decisions when they do their budget now yeah they're bigger than us they got a bigger budget than us not saying we got to do it exactly like them but I think it's important and not only that I think
we should start earlier I I think we should start around May June time frame I know that's passed but next year I think we need to look at trying to do it that like that. So, I just wanted to get your guys's take on that. No, like I said, I normally I would have brought this up at a pre-commission meeting. I'm okay with that. I mean, we're putting a
lot into strategic planning this year. Yeah, I think we do cover those in the past time that we've been here that each department, we get a notebook with all that information in it. And I know I make the statement that these are the
items that they're going to be addressing in their budget. And so if we are okay with what they're doing in their strategic planning, then when budget time comes, we shouldn't um oh and they bring these to us to vote upon after we've approved the budget, then that is not the time, not that we can't
push back, but that is not the time to push back so hard because we should have done that in the strategic planning session. So um to me, the the strategic planning is more long range. The budget process is more for this and next fiscal year, right? And I do understand what
you're saying, but in the strategic planning, from what I remember that we did last year, they give us their short range goals of this is what we hope to accomplish in the next year. Um, and then that's what's going to be incorporated, um, into their budget as
well. So, uh, in regards to starting the budget process in May, I mean, we could do that, but I think we're still getting into midyear budget at that point. Um, cuz when cuz we're doing mid-year budget. We do. um around that around that time. And now departments are
already working on budgets for the upcoming fiscal year. So once they get through mid year, they're already working on their budgets. When I came up here this week, city manager was in budget meetings. So I had to catch her between budget meetings. She got out of one meeting. We talked for about 10
minutes. I held over for another five minutes and she went into another budget meeting. And so they are already in the process of doing their budgets so that when they come to to strategic planning then they already have an idea of what they're hoping to do in their budget
process. So um I mean we can certainly start before I think last year we started around August actually meeting with normally it's around mid to August you know so we're in June. I mean once they get finished proposing their budgets we could look to see if we could
maybe meet in July. Um, but strategic planning, well, we're going to be doing it July 18th. So, this year is out of the window. I get that. I just I just think it's better to be trying to do it earlier. And I get when we do it early, there's going to be things that they're going to be fluid and you have to adjust
as you continually get closer and closer to the end of the fiscal year and then you firm it up. But my big thing is I think the department heads need to brief their stuff when we do the budget process. So you're just saying u maybe next year July 17th time frame we just have a
workshop before after the commission meeting have the department heads come up and say anything that they want to say. Well we're do and we can they can answer any questions we have. We they just present the you know normally we have it where we have one-on-one right with the city manager and the finance
director. Mhm. What I want to involve is the department head. Let the department head brief their stuff. They're the subject matter expert for that area. And so they can go and say, "Hey, this is what we're hoping to get accomplished the rest of this fiscal year. This is what we want to accomplish next fiscal
year. This is our shortfalls. These are their struggles. These are the things we do good on. This is what we're healthy on." All that information. I understand some of it's in the strategy workshop. I got that. But it should be the department head that presents that to us. So, mayor, we've already started in
budget. We started in May uh right after you approved the midyear budget and we've been in and out of meetings budget meetings because we have to prepare for you all. Surely you don't want us to come unprepared.
Um for and secondly I think we all agreed that um on July 9th our strategic planning which we normally do we do short rain and long range goals
with those. This year the the department has as they would normally do they're going to tell you what they need in their budget. They also have a capital improvement um list that goes out to 2030.
So you'll be able to see in capital improvement 2026, 2027 and so on. So all of that's planned out. They will have their goals and their accomplishments and what they hope to accomplish in the
next 5 to seven years, 1 to 3 years. All of that has been done in strategic plan planning. Now, you did ask us if we could do that earlier. Absolutely. Does that put a lot of pressure on the department heads and the finance
department to get it done? Yes. Will you have accurate number numbers? You probably will not because the state does not even post most of their numbers um until later on. So, that really holds it up. But strategic planning is where
every department head comes and talks about shortterm short uh term goals, long-term goals and accomplishments and goals for the next year so that you have an idea when we come to you on the 18th
exactly what they're asking for. So I mean that's that's the way we have presented strategic planning in the in the past and we even moved it up some because you got you asked us to move it up and I did explain to you um you know
we may not have all the numbers but we surely can do our strategic planning and include all of those things in there. And if you have questions, this also gives you a time during the street strategic planning. If you have questions in July 18th, now you can take
all of that information that you're going to receive in the strate strategic planning, come back and ask questions because you're not it's it's a lot of information you're going to take in on one day. That gives you some time to ask questions, write notes, and come back
and ask those department heads. So the let me just ask this. Will the department have to be presenting their department at the budget workshop? Strategic planning or the budget workshop? Budget workshop. If you would like for them to go over
the same thing that they're doing in strategic planning. Not what I'm asking this. But it's the same for their budget. Their budget. Absolutely. They're going to have a budget. They will. That's not my question. My question is will the department head be the one presenting their budget at the
budget workshop? Normally, let me just say this. It comes police, we go through line by line. That department head is there for you to ask any question that you would like. So, that department head
will be there for you to ask any questions. I mean, we've never stopped department heads from ask asking answering questions. Okay. So, I'm going to ask a question again. Are the department heads going to be
briefing their stuff at the budget workshop? I don't know how else to answer that than the department heads will simp be presenting their We will have a finance director that will come up and give you the budget and once they get to
their department if you have questions for that department head that department head will answer those questions. Well, the answer is no. The finance director is going to be presenting everything. Yes, ma'am. And not the department heads. Unless we call
them up to pin them down to certain questions. You're exactly right. Yes. And you can call up each and every one of them. All right. That's all I got. Commissioner Tinder. Oh, yes. Thank you.
I appreciate Jamie's um tenacity when it comes to numbers. I count on him. Uh he's a numbers guy. I have quite a bit on my report tonight and um I don't know if I should apologize or be very thankful that so
many residents have reached out to me and um it it's been very eyeopening. Um, one of the first things I have been asked is would we consider, I don't know what list we put this on. I don't know
whatever. Uh, would we consider changing all of our commission meetings to nighttime meetings so that we can have the working people here? That that's a biggie. So, I guess we could go by whatever we listen back on this uh and
report on that some other time, but that's a biggie. They want to know if we can go to nighttime meetings. So, that Okay. Um, now I'm going to call on Pat for a second. I also went to see some property on the corner of 11th in
Alabama. This is Mr. Johnson. And Pat dealt with Mr. Johnson when I was on the commission before, he collected a lot of debris from all of his neighbors during Hurricane Michael. Um, he has quite a pile still there. And I, if you don't
mind, Pat, I'd like to throw that in your lap because I I talked to him. I don't have a a remedy. He did remind me that you had called the state or something like that and got him some kind of assistance last time, but you were telling me some interesting stuff
before that. He did. He did get assistance last time. Um um and I believe it was was through was it do someone came in and helped him remove debris. Yeah, it was state. But I
believe he was told that he had a certain area he could put it in for them to pick up because if it's like if I remember I think it was under like wire lines or something or it was a vacant lot and I don't think you could put
debris on vacant lots is what it was is um that Bobby have you seen these pictures? No, he has not. I haven't sent the pictures to anyone. And I thought it was Chris that got him, but I haven't sent him to Bobby.
Um I know you're talking about it, right? It's right at the end. It's at Alabama and it kind of dead ends down 11 Street. Yeah. And there's a lot behind it that of course I took the golf cart and went in on 11th and went all the way to 12th cuz it
looks like there used to be a road down that or something like that. Yep. Um, I know exactly where you were cuz he took me on an ATV all around there. Yes. And and there's even more stuff on there was more stuff on his property at the time, but I I had thought that he got
everything removed. The um I know we I I was looking for his number in my phone the other day and I couldn't find it. So, I'm just going to have to go knock on his door. Yeah, but I think I think it was an issue that it's a vacant lot and I don't think vacant lots
you're supposed to be able to pick debris on. I think that's the issue where he moved he moved a lot of that stuff to his property. Private property. Yep. And back there I think he was last time we talked we we got him taken care of, but we explained to him if I'm not
mistaken I think we explained to him that it has to be on a residential lot in order to be picked up. Am I right? Um yes. Well, Pat really dealt with him, but I'm just bringing it up because he came to me. I went over there. I looked at it. He did say he had
an appointment with you, Jesse, and I don't think he followed up on it. Somebody didn't follow up, but it's that that picture there. And you guys can do whatever you want with it. And here's another picture. You can have that. Do you have his phone number, Mr. Johnson?
I can get it for you. Okay. Probably have it written down here somewhere. I will I will give him a call. Okay. So, that's another one. I'm going to talk to you after the meeting, Bobby. The other thing that I would like to bring up, I
know I'm being an egg about the mailbox at the senior center, but there's a couple pictures going down that way. And here's one for you guys. This is where I personally would like to recommend the mailbox go. And if you guys agree, cuz somebody said we all had to agree. If we
agree then I'd like the email written and our location sent to the Are you will willing to do that or who's doing that? I don't know. You you all I think last um meeting it was the commission had to vote on it before we could send
it on to Can we add that to our agenda for discussion for next meeting and then just bring in two weeks? Yeah. Okay. I'll hold on to this picture because this is what I or do you want to hold on to it? Those guys have one down there too and see if everybody agrees on the
senior center mailbox. Okay. The other thing I really want to bring up um is strictly for the record. I want it on the record. Since Jamie and I were both elected at the same time this year, I would like to request a financial audit. Um and I want that on
the record just because I think it should be. Um, not accusing anybody of anything. I'm just saying it's just smart business and um, I'd like to have that on there. Um, I think it's been a long time since we had an audit. Do you
remember, city manager? I think it was it was right after the hurricane, I think, and they came down from Michigan. Remember the two guys came down, spent a few days. Anyway, it was 2021, maybe. Yeah, it was. Right. It was actually you were still on You were still on the
commission then, so it had to be 2021. We have an audit every year, but I think what you're talking about is forensic audit. I'm talking about a real Yeah. Not Not that what they're doing is not real. Um, but I would just like to see a an audit to make sure. A lot of people
don't realize that what happens is this commission is held liable for things that overlap, for things that are overlooked. and if we don't address them, even so much as mentioning them in this meeting helps us. Um, I got to tell
you, I don't have two $20 bills to rub together. So, if you're coming after me for money, we're not going to get any. So, I'd like to see things handled here where they're supposed to be handled. Um, anyway, that's the that's the other thing on the audit. Um,
Alabama, I got that taken care of. um had a person call and Chris isn't here. I don't know if Bobby you know about this or not. Potholes from 5th to 9th Street um on Georgia. Do you know anything about that?
Yeah, I know they're there, too. I drove down there. But are are they on a list of some sort to get those? They're on if that Georgia Avenue from 5th to 9th is on the legislative paving list. Okay, great. So, if we get the funding, it'll be one of them paved. Okay. Where's that
funding coming from? State if the governor doesn't veto it. Governor has it. Okay. At least I can tell them that they are on a list. Oh, yeah. It's one of the top 10. Okay. Okay.
H. And then I had listed on my list as well. Um, the CO for the city hall. Um, I got a copy of one that says it was verbally approved and I don't think that flies, but I want to really I want us to
follow up on that to make sure that we're not breaking any laws. I mean, we had that CO and whatever year we were built. What was it? 21. We were here, we moved here in 23. 23. Okay. Y um anyway, so I'd really like to
follow up on that as well. Uh there was another one and Bobby I don't know if this falls in your lap since Chris isn't here too. Um uh street lights on the 13th 1300 block of Texas.
There are two there on the same side of the street and I have not been down there after dark but one of the residents swears up and down they don't come on. Oh that's that's easy fix. We can check that. I'm going to right here. Easy fix per Bobby 13th in Texas. Uh
13th Yeah. block of Texas. Easy fix. Okay. Okay. And then Oh, I have some but that's not until we get to the financial thing. Okay. This
one here is very very important to me and I know I'm going to get on my high horse a little bit. I've talked to the city manager about this. I've talked to the city attorney about this. Um, we and pictures and that's what the
pictures you were asking about, Jesse, are too. Um, Castel Mar Castel Mara Street right after Bailey Bridge. When you turn to the right,
it's one block long. The homes there are half million dollar homes and there's approximately 11 10 or 11. I haven't actually counted them. However, I was called down there and I
could not believe what I saw. A young couple lives at the end of the culde-sac. They found a tripod camera set up in the property behind them. not on their property, on the property that was
just purchased that this group approved. I get it. I screamed no, no, no to you over the phone, but um we had to approve it, I guess. That man has not started to build a thing. He has an empty lot out there, three plus acres.
So, they come home one day and find a tripod camera set up on his property facing their back of their house. They are a young couple and of course they immediately ran out to buy fence
and he did take it down after they put up an 8ft fence back there. Um on the pictures that I've given you, if you look at the uh what's so interesting about this in a very sick kind of way is there's a picture there
of a blue Porsche. If you look on the far left of that picture, you can see the camera and this house is only the fifth house in to the entrance of this street. That camera is
on the far left. It follows you. It follows you. So, here's what we have. We have a young couple that live at the end. We have a family that lives next to them with four small children. Then we have another couple that live
next to them. And then of course when you come back around here, the camera points all the way up to this house. Now I can be a bit dramatic, but just a bit. I um talked to Amy about it
and I said, "Look, this cannot be a positive thing in any way. Why would this man want to take pictures of a culde-sac with small children, family people? Why is he filming it at all? He has no access to it. He cannot
come in or out of that of that drive. However, where that camera is planted on the post on his property, we the city stopped the young couple from finish putting up their fence and said it had to be 4 foot anything in
front of their porch cuz that's the ordinances we've set. Um 4 foot's not going to help these people. He can line the whole fence up with cameras if he wants to, but I just don't see how it can be anything positive. I don't know what he's looking
for or what he's looking at, but I don't know. I would be afraid to leave my house. Maybe he's going to burglarize it. You know, maybe he's getting drug drops there and they're throwing drugs out and he just filming it so he runs down and picks them up. I don't know what he's doing, but there the
possibilities are unlimited. And I feel that as a commission I I get that we have to set rules and boundaries and ordinances and all that kind of stuff. I get all that. But it is our duty to protect our residents. We have
to protect them. And I of course the next day went straight to risk management and um made sure they were totally aware of what was going on. I feel like the ordinance that we have in place about the fence business, if all
we can do is extend their 8-ft fence, past this camera, past this cattle gate. I mean, the man put a cattle gate up there cuz he knows he can't come in or out that way. Um, if we can even put a fence there to block that, anything to
deter this. And it is my understanding according to Amy that it's a state law that you can film the street where you live. You can film the street. I don't think they mean you can I have roving
cameras following everybody, but um what he's doing as far as filming is legal. So, it's up to us to find a way to get him blocked off so he can't keep doing this. So, you said city attorney had some
response on this. that something that would be eligible for variance. So two things there is a Florida statute that speaks to voyerism because that was the nature of our conversation where did
they have an expectation of privacy um in terms of where the camera was pointed and the ones on the gate there is no expectation of privacy in a on a street or on a sidewalk. Um, with regard to the tripod, if it is, you focused on their
house or in a bedroom window, that's a different set of facts. Um, but without all and I didn't have all of that information when we were talking on the phone. You were trying to send me pictures I never got. So, I'm seeing them for the first time right here. Um, the second part of our conversation was about the height of the fence and Miss
Tender had expressed concern that four feet was um, not tall enough to solve the problem. And I suggested to her that if your code in fact did set a maximum height of four feet on that sideyard or backyard that that was within your
authority to revisit and make stronger in order to protect these families here. Now, I will say um reviewing your code uh during this meeting right now, it does appear that the rear and sideyard maximum height,
maximum fence height appears to be 8 ft already. I thought that was the height was 8 ft. He's he's at 8T. The city went out, told him to stop because they couldn't keep building it. So the his fence um stops
with the camera, even with the man's camera. And I I don't know where the statute reads or anything, but the whole roving thing is the thing that sends me over the edge. I mean, I could put cameras up all over the place at my house, but I sure wouldn't want somebody to walk by and
have me follow them, you know? I mean, it's the robing part of it. and clear back like I said in that blue car where I took this picture. I could see that camera over here and it starts filming you then and taking pictures. I waved. I
did all kinds of stuff and I watched it. It followed me everywhere. The family that lives here, the first family is a young couple and they just don't have when they walk out their front door, you can see it on his camera out his front
door or out their front door. The same way with the family next door with the four small children. You can he can see whoever's watching that camera can see all those children out in the front yard and see whatever they're doing. It I
just I just can't I can't seem to talk myself into there being a positive reason. And if there's any way that we can, you know, like you said, a variance or something to protect their privacy. I don't even know why he has to have that cattle gate up there. He's never coming
through there. If I were the HOA out there, and I'm not, but if I were, I would probably be up here saying, I want a 12t brick fence to cover the entire culdeac. Make sure nobody came over or went on
the other side. But I just feel like we have to come up with something. Now, has there been any contact with the owner to see why he's put up the camera? You know, do you know the owner who we're talking about? Just the same owner that came to us. Yeah. I'm not going to
call him. You're you're feel free to call him. I'm what I'm asking in the sense of have we asked him because we're we're make or we're attempting to make decisions without his input. So, have we asked him why does he have the camera? Why does he have the type of camera that
he has up? Um has anyone reached out to ask him those questions? Hold on, sir. It's not It's not time to speak. Yeah. Yeah. I've not asked him. Okay. All right. So, back to the city
attorney. Legally, as of right now, what can we do? I'm not aware of any violation of city codes um here. Um, with regard to the state statutes, they are criminal in nature. So, I think that's a conversation to be had with the
police department. Um, but it's not one for the city to enforce. We may be able to arrange and coordinate a meeting. Um, and I think inquiring of the owner, the public has expressed concerns about cameras on your property. I I think
that's a fair um question to reach out to the owner. I but I do want to caution there's just what the city can do with regard to a trespass or a violation of the Florida statute is not the city's action to take. That will be up to the property owners.
But would it be within the city's purview for the fence? So, this is the fence is tricky because he when he develops his property will be able to erect his own 8- foot fence on that sidewall that would cover up the or
that sideyard that would cover up where the end of the culdesac is. Um, but because his property boundary appears to share a boundary with that culde-sac, it's not a yard where a fence can go. Um I will say my
recollection from the uh both the planning board meeting and the commission meeting where they considered this development project there was a lot of concern by the cash mara neighborhood that he would try and use that that overlap that shared property boundary as
a point of ingress and egress. And so I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt that the erection of that gate is there to address all of the concerns that came out at those public hearings about use of that
access point. Yeah. So I guess city manager, would you or staff or attorney be able to follow up with the owner to get some clarity on the concerns in regards to the placement of the gate as well as the positioning of the camera?
And I guess could someone from staff uh or city manager follow up with the owners to get clarity on the fencing? Um because our code is saying something different than what's being reported in regards to the 8 ft versus 4T. So um if
there's someone here this evening cuz we do have the owners that are here um that could follow up with them to I guess address their concerns regarding the fence and the completion of that as well. I think the four feet cuz for
front yard front yard only allows 4 feet and their house sits way back on the property as you can see you know and that is the owner uh the young couple there they are the owners of the property right that had the camera
pointing at their house and and this gentleman the owner of the other property made the comment to this young lady's father Oh, yes. I watch your daughter walk her dog. I mean, does No, I can't say that. Never mind.
So, we need to set up a meeting or what? Yeah, we just said we're going to set up a meeting with the owner. Okay. Yeah. So, city manager, city attorney, staff, they're going to follow up with the owner to set up a meeting to get clarity on the concerns that have been expressed. um and someone from staff,
city manager is going to direct someone from staff to address the owner's concerns in regards to the um the clarity on the actual fence building itself as it relates to our ordinances. So, I I think Amanda has spoken with
them if I'm not correct um correctly. You've not spoken to the owners on um the fence? I haven't really had a conversation with them about this. No. Um, no. No. I know the conversation I had was when I I had
a message from code enforcement and um I tried to contact code enforcement back but I couldn't get a hold of them and then I'm trying to think I think it might have been through Vicki that Yeah. but I I have not had a conversation with the property owners
about the fence. Okay. Thank you. Anything else in your report, Commissioner Tender? Oh, yeah. Um, okay. Are the are the property owners on this side able to speak after this is over or what? To
tell you what's going on over there? Yeah, they can come and talk to us after the meeting. Yes, after the meeting. Okay, we'll stick around. Um, okay. Potholes. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, Texas, the lights. That's
actually all I have on my report. I'm waiting for the financial report. Thank you. Thank you, city manager. Kiki, if you'll come forward for the warrant list. Good evening. Questions about the
warrant list? Yes, ma'am. Hold. I have to get my thing back on here. I'm a computer wiz. Hold on. Where is it at? Yep, there it is. Um, I did have a question
and I know this uh um I'm just going to ask the questions I have on the weekend shaded for 24,000. Was that just at one park or how much shade did we buy for 24,000? The purchase order says a variety of locations. I looked at that
today. That's correct. So, there are several shades. It's not just one location. Oh, it's not just at one park. Okay. Garber Fleet 113,000. Those are two police vehicles.
Okay. two police vehicles. Um, panhandle engineer. I know we touched on that. Um, that is water and storm water projects. A variety of projects.
Okay. Uh, Co Pepper $342,000. What What exactly is that for? Are we still paying for this building or what? Yes, ma'am. That's pay app number 27 to Co Pepper. Uh, as you can see, we just
paid that on the 16th. There is still a balance outstanding. What is the balance? Six uh 315. Okay. Then I had uh a a interesting conversation with somebody and I just I because I don't believe the public knows
this and correct me if I'm wrong because you're the money person. We paid I saw on one of these list $87,000 in one month and that was for street lights. Am I correct in saying that? The
FPL bill. Is that what you're asking about ma'am? Yes. The FPL bill indeed was $87,000 this month. The majority of it is for street lights. It also covers all the buildings, um, lift stations.
It's all of the electrical needs for the entire city. Okay. All the majority of it is street lights. Okay. And then is there any kind of taxes or anything that are added on to that or is that just an even 87,000 a month? It fluctuates it depending on usage just
like your bill at home or your business. Okay. Okay. That's all I have. Thank you. Oh, and um is this young lady at the end? Does she work with you? Yes, ma'am. I've never met you. Andrea Marsh has been hired as the assistant finance director.
Nice to meet you. M Miss Kiki. The $113,000 for the two police vehicles. Is that everything? U for the vehicles. Is that is that are they they still need to be outfitted? That's everything, right? Correct. There's still that's why
there's it's a big price tag when you you get a you get a plane vehicle and then you got to put everything on it, right? Fully equipped. Okay. Very good. Mayor, I I neglected just one little
question during my report if I could just ask. I just wanted to ask Ben um about the project at the soldiers park. Can you um I'm really concerned about where you going to do the handicap
parking. Is that the one we're voting on? It's on the Are we voting on that? Oh, well, I can ask you then. Yeah, that's agenda item number 11. Thank you. Yeah. Um, Amanda, thank you. Can I just have some clarification on that question that you
asked me? Were you referring to which property owners were you referring to? Cuz I assumed you meant the property owners that have the camera up there. Were you talking about the younger couple? The younger. Okay. So, I can tell you that um they were talking to
Vicki in the hallway and I heard some conversation about setbacks. I was in my office. I came down to join them in the hallway. I took them back to my office and they were asking me what the front setbacks were, side setbacks, that kind
of thing. So, I was looking up that information. I told them what the setbacks were. Um, and then the young man said that he couldn't find that in the code. Could I show him where that was in the code? So, we found where there was a diagram that explained where
the front what the front is and what the side is and what the rear is. While I was having that conversation with them, I did not know that they were living. I didn't know who they were. I just thought there were people asking about setbacks. However, Vicki had a
conversation with them earlier and she was aware. And just for clarification, may I ask? Yes, ma'am. Um, did Vicki make the comment, "You can come and ask for variance, but we'll take your $600, but the answer will still be no." I did
not hear her say that. No. Thank you. I'll wait for this one when we get to it. city manager. I'll be as brief as I can. Um, couple of good things. I I think the city is doing
really well. First of all, we still have the $980,000 in for the pumper truck. Um, it has it's going to the governor's desk and so we're pretty excited about that. the $500,000 for the feasibility study uh for uh the
wastewater treatment plant is still in there. Yes. Uh we did have an a meeting with uh the county uh last week, two weeks ago, and it was a really good meeting. I think they had just approved
their contract for Raph Telis and hopefully we'll be bringing to the commission in a couple of months probably after the budget year and hopefully this money will be in that maybe we can somehow either piggy back off of them to use them for a
feasibility study. I know we want to expedite that and so they have a lot of our information already through the county. Hopefully we'll be able to do that very soon. July 22nd, uh Jessica Graham will be here from the eststerary program. She's going to be presenting
just a little bit about the eststerary port program. Many of you ask about it and um it'll be really great information for us since we are surely right on the water with so many things at stake. I will have table talk on this Thursday
the 26th at 5:30. We've had a lot of questions about RV and accessory structures. So, this is a great time to come out and ask those questions about accessory structures and RVs, what can and cannot be done. Uh, I did have a presentation that I made to CPAR um on
behalf of the city and um some things of quality of life here at the city of Lin Haven. Uh, also, uh, don't forget July 4th, uh, we have the opening ceremony that begins at 8:00
a.m. Uh, the parade be begins at 9 a.m. And the flyover, if you blink, you'll miss it, um, begins at 9:15 and there will be two F-35s that will be coming and being a part of our parade. And
we're so very happy um that that is happening here uh at the city of Len Haven. It's always a big and u really great occasion. And I have some notes that I will follow up me a mayor with a couple of things that I need to follow
up with um with uh a couple of residents. Don't forget that we do have uh some really great basketball and summer camps that are going to be going on this summer. Please look to the website for those as well. And that is
my report. All right. Thank you. Uh, city attorney, I have no report. All right. And I will, uh, I guess before we move on to old business, we don't have any old business. Um, the owners from
Cashar, the young couple, if y'all come, if one of y'all to come up to the mic for us and explain to us what's going on very briefly. Yeah. So, basically after that first meeting, he put the camera with the tripod facing the back of our house. I can show you video of that if you want. It also have video of the front camera
facing our the front of our house and it tracks us. told us that he's watches uh Hope watching or walking the dog. We've asked him to move it. Um he moved the tripod when we built the the fence.
I was going to do a 8ft fence all the way down cuz like her we found um they told us that uh do 8ft down all the way down the side. Figured out through code enforcement we can't do that. So um we went to go find out exactly what we
could do and where it was. And that's when we did talk to Vicki and Amanda and we talked to them at the same time both. Um Vicki was quite rude to us and she said the the variance well, you know, basically said that you can go ahead and file a variance.
That's not what it's for, but you can file it. It cost $600. Um we'll be happy to take your money and tell you now. That's pretty much word for word what she said. Then uh Amanda showed us in chapter one figure
1.1. That's where it states the uh front yard setback. So I know she was having trouble finding that as well. But basically we were just trying to build 8 foot fence all the way down because where the camera is now um and where our property line ends, it would block that
and we wouldn't have to worry about cutting it down because we started building, you know, and then we stopped once code enforcement came out. Um, so we'd rather not have to cut that down. So whether we need to follow variance for that, I'd be happy to do that. Or if you guys would be able to approve that. Um, that'd save us some money from
having to cut it down and then plant trees because we're going to end up trying to block it anyways. Um, and the other thing is he's not a part of our subdivision. Has no ingress egress there. I know. I think he got approved a permit for utility easement.
Um, which I didn't know about that, but that butts up next to my property and hopefully it doesn't go cut a corner of my property. Um, but I I don't see why he has a a reason to video the road of our subdivision. It's a total separate lot. No one goes
on his property. He has no no trespassing signs. And so, it's really pointless for him to have a camera there, especially the one we had in the back facing our backyard. Um, and you know, when we were building the fence, he came out there multiple times
trying to tell us what we can and can't do on my own property. Um, so, you know, it's been annoying dealing with that. Um, the accessories um they him and his significant other came out um while we were building the
fence and watched us and they called they got my father's contact information cuz my father was building the fence and he called my dad. He's like, "You have to stop building that right now." Basically saying that we aren't allowed to build the fence. we were building it because it was he literally said, "You're blocking my camera. You can't
build you can't do the fence there." So, they came out and said that the reason that they have a camera is if anyone were to go onto their property, if they were to break an arm or whatever, so that they couldn't get sued. That was their reasoning behind the why of the
camera. Um, I don't personally feel like that is true. Um, because he kept saying, "Everyone's out to get me. Everyone's out to get me." especially with Kashamara being, you know, a controversial subject. Um, I'm not trying to be um a issue for the city. I
just want privacy. We're We just This is our first house. We're trying to, you know, plan for the future and have children and I don't want someone I'm standing in my garage and the camera's just looking right at me and that makes me uncomfortable. And then the fact that he's admitted that he like watches me
watch my dog or walk my dog um down the street and stuff is not I mean I wouldn't have admitted that if I did that personally. And I contacted law enforcement and they said it was a civil matter and that he's allowed to have cameras for his property, but I don't feel like that's actually the reason
behind it. So that is my my input. You had a few things to add. I had to look at the notes. So, the regarding accessory structures, I know y'all say you're going to talk about that next week or whatever it was. Um, you're not allowed to have an accessory structure without a primary structure or I believe a permit, but he's had that gate there
way before he ever got a permit approved. And not only that, when you look at the definitions or what y'all define as accessory structures in the Munich code, a gate is not on there. So, I don't know whether it's allowed or not, but I don't think I don't think the gate should be there in the first place.
Not only that, uh, code enforcement told us that it would have to be four feet if he's allowed to have it. It's five and a half feet. Yeah, it's taller than me or as tall as me. If we had to take our fence down to four feet, his gates's got to come down to four feet at least. So, we'd have to file for that. But, um,
then the other thing is is reference. We were told we can't, our HOA was told we can't put a fence all the way down because we're going to do 8ft fence all the way all the way down. I don't see why we can't shut off our subdivision. I know the uh property that butts up to that where he got his utility easement approved through. There's a uh retention
pond and that's a utility easement owned by the city in our subdivision. So, it's labeled under Milpoint Landings, but it's utilities. I think Bobby Baker is the one who told us that we couldn't do that for now. But, I don't see a reason why they can't run utilities either under the fence or if they want to us to
wait till they run utilities and then we can put a fence up all the way down. I mean, it's not they're not a part of our HOA. they're not a part of our subdivision. They have no no right to I feel like to be videoing our road because no one can go in and out there. And not only that, they shouldn't have
access to our subdivision if they're not part of it is the way I feel. Um I feel like we should have our privacy as a subdivision and 8oot fence. The other thing with the 8oot fence why we want to do it is our house is built up on elevation and so it's a 4ft drop off. So it's basically even in the backyard on
that side it's only a 4ft fence really. So when you're standing up on the patio, so you can still see over it, but we didn't go taller than eight. I kind of wanted to follow variance to do a 10 foot fence to be honest, but I didn't know what to do at the time. Okay. So, and what's your what's your telephone number? Yeah, it's 704.
You want to give them to them afterwards so not everybody hears his phone number? Yeah, if you if you write down your name and number and give it a bunch of spam calls. If you write down your name and number, give it to the city attorney and then I'll follow up with city manager, city attorney, and then I'll follow up with you. Okay. Yeah. And then the other
thing regarding the plat, I know they said something about the um his line coming up to the road. So, I have my plat for my house and it's a good 5t off of the sidewalk and the sidewalk's 13 ft off the road. So, I think we need I know his land's not
platted at all. So, um I feel like we should figure that out. And not only that, when he bought that land and was sued to give it back to us, which our HOA did that, handled that, we didn't know about it. It was literally the day before we closed, so we didn't know anything going on.
The property stake was moved and never got moved back. So, I called my surveyor and they're going to charge me 500 bucks to come out and move that back. So, I don't know who's responsible. if it's the uh property owner that bought it, the builder that builded built our
house. Um but I feel like that should probably figure it out as well, but I think that's it. All right. Sorry you're having to go through this. It's all good. It doesn't sound like fun. Well, thanks for bringing this to our attention and we'll look into this and
I'll follow up. Okay. Okay. Thank you so much. And you have a paper and pen. I can write down the number. Yeah, she has one right there. All right, looking at our consent agenda. M mayor, before we go on, just before we get there, I just like to
address the fact that this is Amanda Richard's last commission meeting. Of course, she is retiring. She's been with the city over 13 years. [Applause]
and I just wanted to recognize her for the work she's done for the city. She told me I could still call her if I had questions. That's what she told me. We will still call her when we have questions. Right. Awesome. Well, thank you, Amanda, um for your service and for your vigilance um and for your telling
it like it is. So, thank you for that. Uh city attorney, do you have anything for us today? All right. So, I know we have some things for you, so we'll be talking with you soon. All right. Looking at the consent agenda. Um, is everyone okay with the consent agenda with the approval of minutes and
approval to appoint Jeff Snider to the financial review committee? Motion to approve a second. Right. City manage call the vote. Commissioner Prono, yes. Commissioner Peeles, yes. Commissioner Tinder, yes.
Commissioner War, yes. Mayor Nelson, yes. Motion passed. Uh, new business discussion and possible approval of request for the development order for the Enclave at Northshore. Um doesn't seem to be working. Oh, here we
go. Just going to move through these. Harold, can you move the slides, please? Thank you. And again and again and again. Thank you. This is an application for development order for Enclave at
Northshore. This is a quai judicial public hearing. Amy, they may be. We've got Jeff Britain from Kimy Horn. We've got Richard Fner. And um we've got um Vinnie from Kimy Horn.
So if they'll probably need to be sworn in as well, right? Do you swear or affirm the testimony you'll give tonight is the truth and nothing but the truth? You do. Thank you. So the applicant is the Enclave at Northshore LP, as is the
owner. The agent was Jeff Britain from Kimley Horn Engineering and he was also the project engineer. The reviewing engineer for the city was Richard Fner from Dubberry. Next slide please.
The parcel numbers involved are 11669-0000-00001 1669-0000-10 and thank you 1 1669-0000-20. The property is located on Highway 390 West and um there will also be a
entrance on Jenx Avenue. The property size is approximately 40.47 acres and the land use is mixed use. It's currently vacant and is adjacent to the reserve um apartment complex. The developer is asking to be able to
construct 86 senior multifamily dwelling units and also the storm water infrastructure, parking and landscaping that will go along with that. You can see here um the parcel. So the arrow is pointing to the larger parcel, but that
area to the north that's in red is also part of the uh development and that is the piece that abuts the reserve. This is the site plan that was in your packet and you've also got the landscape plans. Um there were a couple of things
that I wanted to mention to you. The first one was that this went to the planning commission um and they voted unanimously for approval. We were waiting for some time. This was on hold for some time before bringing it to you because they had to get their permits
from Bay County for Jens Avenue. Um, and Bay County had a number of things that they required of them before they would issue the permit. So, that actually went on for some time, but they now do have their allowances for their ingress egress on Jensen and their right-of-way
uh permit. The one to the north because it's over 50 units, they do have to have two entrances. That one that goes into Northshore is ultimately just going to be used for emergency vehicles. However,
it is there should it be needed to be opened up. Um, the other thing that I wanted to make you aware of is that a mixed land use designation allows if it's just a residential only project like this allows for up to 10 dwelling
units per acre. So, it would allow potentially we're just a, you know, a regular um development for up to 400 dwelling units. However, they do only want um 86 dwelling units. And with it being a senior facility,
there won't be that many vehicle trips in and out. If this were regular apartments, you can imagine there would be a lot more people that would be in and out in the mornings going to work and you've got teenagers and that kind of thing. But as this is a senior living
development, um the traffic vehicle trip generation and distribution analysis that was subject submitted for this project determined there'd be 17 a.m. peak hour vehicle trips and 22 p.m. peak
hour vehicle trips generated, which would have a negligible impact on Highway 390 and or Jensen Avenue. And I just wanted to show you this is a little bit Cinderella Castle looking because we had to kind of squish it to get it on
the paper for you to see it all. But this is what the uh apartment complex will look like. And we do have representation here from the submitting um engineers if you have any specific questions.
Are there any questions from the commission or Miss Amanda or I don't know if it would be them or Amanda, but the since it's over 50 units, you have to have two access points. But one access point is only going to be for emergency vehicles.
Yes, generally regularly. It can be opened up if it needs to, but because there's so few vehicle trips being generated, they have the two, but the main access is the one on Jensen. So the other one is it just going to be like
closed like locked up or is it I believe [Music] uh Jeff Britain with Kimly Horn. It'll be a gated uh access point. Okay. So my main concern is of course safety and security. I just want to make sure that if someone needed to get through that,
they'd be able to get through it. No problem. So, so they just got to put in like a code or something and Okay. Thank you. That was my question. So, all right. Uh, is there a motion for this?
Motion to approve. Second. All right. Comments from the public. Mr. Walker, you going to buy a house out there? You going to move out there? [Laughter] Don't worry.
Um, we took a look at this and um, per previous ones, both entrance and exit, you have to have two. Okay, they're going to have a gated one. Okay, one is on 390 and the other is going to
be on Jinx. Jinx belongs to a county or state. You think you can come out of Jinx onto Jinx both ways.
Right across the street, you got a gas station that has the same problem. You have an entrance and an exit. You come out of the Jinx exit entrance. The only way you're going to get out is right onto 390.
There is a single yellow line there. If that is if Bay County is saying you can cut across there, that's at the curve of a light which has traffic coming in, traffic going out.
Try it. You won't make it. That's a dangerous turn. I don't think there's any consideration for that at all. What it should be is yes, you can come out of Jinx. You can go right
390 and then out. Okay, fine. That's not what they're saying. Another thing, 86 units, senior. That means no children, no golf carts. Oh, maybe golf carts.
Okay. Hm. Maximum density. Think worst case scenario. They're talking 86. Actually, they can build 800. That's what's coming in there. Uh
I think a little more study should be as to what impact this has here. Uh in there, they also say they're going to control the storm water. Have you ever checked with Mr. Lightoot on this? When they take on the storm water,
do they fail to pay the assessment according to Mr. Lightoot? No. However, they don't pay the impact fees. Impact fees are for the future for the general overall scale of the city for years.
Right now you're finding these things going to be the developments are going to take your impact fees for storm water. You got your cert you got sent sands with their tears.
Man oh man you're using a lot of money that is for the development of the future of the town. One of the comments out of the building uh people building committee. Right. Thank you sir. That's your time. Yeah, the comment was they
thanked these people for investing in Lyn Haven. They're not investing in Lin Haven. Conditional commentary. Right. Uh we have a motion by Commissioner Peebles, second by Commissioner Pero. City manager recall
the vote. Commissioner Peebles. Yes. Commissioner Perno, yes. Commissioner Tinder. Uh, let me say no. Commissioner Ward, yes. Mayor Nelson, yes. Motion pass. Number 11, discussion and possible
approval of request for development order for the Union Soldier Park Improvements on Georgia Avenue. Thank you, Harold. Can I have my presentation, please? Thank you. This again is a quai judicial
public hearing. Maybe Ben, do you swear or affirm the testimony you'll give tonight is the truth and nothing but the truth? I do. Thank you. This is development order application by the city of Linhaven for Union Soldier
Park Improvements. So the applicant is the city. The location 801 Georgia Avenue parcel number 09574-0000-0000 and the property is approximately 0.310 acres in size with the land use being
public institutional. It is located in the CRA and there uh already as you all know exists um monument there at the moment monument park. The project engineer was Chris Forehand from Panhandle Engineering. The park
improvements are to include lighting, concrete pads with benches, trash receptacles, ADA parking and landscaping. And the planning commission recommended unanimous approval. This aerial shows you the uh park location
and this was the site plan that was included in your packet and the landscaping improvements. Thank you. Any questions? I know Commissioner Tinder, you had some. I just wanted to
ask where will the parking go? Evening. Hi. Um we will be adding um an a handicap parking space along 8th Street. So if over by the monument or Yes, it's it's really close to the monument. So,
our goal was for um um for the handicap parking lot to be closer as close as possible to the monument uh soldier site so that uh we can reduce the distance for somebody in a wheelchair, for example, to to to get to that uh to that
site. Okay. And and I just want to make sure I understand here's the sidewalk way over here on this side and this is the monument. You're going to put the handicap parking over here. Um if not over here by the sidewalk if it can the
Thank you. So the the handicap parking is going to be on the top side and we're just making some minor renovations to the to the park. We wanted to maintain the historic character of the park. So our plan is
not to make any significant changes. Uh so the idea right now is to add um a sidewalk around the backside of this um this park and um basically bring this park into ADA compliance uh with by
adding this ADA parking lot to to the infrastructure. And how much are we spending on this? We don't know yet because we we have an estimate. We we have a ballpark number. Um, but it really depends on when
whenever the development order is approved, we that will allow us to actually solicit for some for some bids for the construction process and then we can tell you exactly how much it's going to be. And where is that money coming from though? Is it a grant or this this
the funding comes from the CRA? Okay. There's been some talk talk that's all I can say. I don't I'm not an architect that this is lowlying property and that sidewalk will be underwater if with a heavy rain. Are you concerned
about that? Um not concerned about it. We uh we know about this. We will be bringing in a little bit of fill and uh whenever we started the project we started it with a survey that in also
includes some topographic information. So it tells us exactly where the where the low spots are. Whenever the construction uh will take place, we'll make sure that and everything's done, everything is smooth and there won't be any standing water. Okay. So um
obviously I am personally involved with the library um that whole renovation. So are you saying publicly that we don't have to worry about you building up the ground so high that we're going to have a problem at the library? We won't be
affecting the neighbor's property by the runoff. Okay. No, ma'am. Thank you. Right. Any other questions for Amanda or Ben? Is there a motion for this motion to approve?
I'll second. All right. Motion by Commissioner Pero, second by Commissioner Peebles. Is there comments from the public? Mr. Walker, come on up, sir. Make it quick. Um,
Commissioner was correct. Uh when we went into renovations of the Roberts Hall, you had to find out what was causing the problem. Whenever you're down there and blocked off by the police when you can't even get to the statue and blocked by
everybody else, there's no parking there. Problem is the fact that when it rains, I don't care if it's hard or soft, it's underwater. No matter what you do, it won't affect the library because the
city and the historical society was smart like most of the people in 20 1922. They put it on a pillar. They built her up a foot and a half. We don't get water from there. That place is underwater. And on the other
side in the priv private property of the church, it's underwater. and it takes three days for it to drain. You have to do the following. You have to get parking for that area. Period.
And you have to take care of the water situation secondary before you can put down a sidewalk to nowhere. All right. Additional commentary. City manager, if you call the vote. Commissioner Perno, yes. Commissioner
Peebles, yes. Commissioner Tinder, yes. Commissioner Ward, yes. Mayor Nelson, yes. Motion passed. Discussion, possible approval for repair of lift station 22.
Mr. Baker. Yes. This is uh blue station number 22 is the one that services Highland Park Elementary School. It's 35 years old and it's falling apart. We We just need to fix it. Yes, we have to fix
it. The the risers have split from the rust and it's pretty much an emergency repair we need to get done. Any questions for Mr. Baker? So with emergency um repair, we gave them okay to go on and get started, but
as you as is um stated in our purchasing policy, we have to bring it to you all for uh ratification. This is considered a public health and safety issue. We did not want any backup in anyone's homes or
yards. Thank you. Right. Are there any questions for Mr. Baker? This is Is this located outside the elementary school or? Yeah, it's on the back side. On the back side where the dirt road I don't know if that road's
still a dirt road that goes off the back. Oh, it's paved. Brad. Yeah. Yeah, it's paved. Okay. All right. Any other questions? No, not a question. But I have to say when I looked at this and I realized this was the one that we accepted that it was a
little bit higher uh the bid because they had the they had everything and it was important that we get started and the other one left out part of the bid. Yeah. No, I have no objection to it. I had to laugh though because I saw the project manager Ricky Ramy and um I know
it's not that Ricky Ramy. All right. Is there a motion for this? I just had a question real quick. Oh, yes, sir. Um, in situations like this, this money just comes out of the like reserve fund or emergency fund. Where's it coming from?
R&M. Okay. And maintenance out of the existing budget. Yes, we do reserve some money for that button money or for for repairs. Right. Any other questions? Is there a motion for this? Motion to approve.
Is there a second? Second. All right. Motion by Commissioner Perno. Second by Commissioner Warick. Comments from the public. All right. City manager. We call the vote. Commissioner Perno. Yes. Commissioner Warick. Yes. Commissioner
Peoples. Yes. Mayor, excuse me. Commissioner Tinder, yes. Mayor Nelson. Yes. Motion passed. Meeting adjourned.