All right. Uh, we got our pre-commission meeting starting at 8:02 a.m. Do we have any uh questions or comments concerning the consent agenda? Grant, that's just extended the period of agreement to September 2026 and
that's it, right? Yeah. What was that again? He's just explaining the subtitles the grant. Yeah. Yeah. All right. And I guess uh can we talk about the pump just so that we can um
the um the surplus pump? Yeah. Yeah. So that is the um if you pass by utilities, there's a blue pump sitting there in the in the grass. Um it's just an old bypass pump. It's worn out. We've actually purchased three this year. be adding the budget to replace. And that's just an old one. Um,
it needs about $14,000 worth of work and we'll probably uh surplus this thing and make 1,500 bucks on it. Okay. Thank you. All right. So, any more on the consent agenda?
Looks like I can I can pass it on to SL. discussing the consent agenda. There's no questions really. Oh, you want to call it to order? All right. Great. Um, it's already done the consens agenda. We're
on a number 12. Any discussions about number 12? The RV. From my understanding, I think one of us wanted to fit it back on the agenda. So, yeah. So, I think,
you know, I've talked to a a lot of different residents and done a lot of thinking about this and I think the issue that we're having is a lot of the things are not standardized. Not any of our fault, not the city's fault, just over the years, like you know, your
water meters are in different spots depending on on your plot of land. You know, the other thing we talked about was blocking a sidewalk and sidewalks are not standardized as far as how far they are from the sidewalk. And we're trying to create a standard when that
stuff's not even standardized. And I think that's the struggle we're getting with. Um I did have a couple questions on it. You know, one from I understand the standard for code enforcement was it was mainly
complaint driven. So before this ordinance, nothing was written up. The ordinance was written where you couldn't park it in your front yard at all. We write the ordinance now 33 of them written up. Was any of those complaint driven or was that all just
code enforcement doing amongst themselves? Well, I'll be glad to answer that for you. The old ordinance had multiple tentacles besides connected to it. You don't have a venue big enough for me to start writing that. How did we get
here? We got here because city changed their ordinance. So, when that happened, I knew the spillover would probably ultimately end up up here. So, at that point, I had code enforcement go out and spot check that entire ordinance, right, the old one. That's when they brought me
the information. I went straight to the city manager. I said, "There's trouble that on the horizon. Here's what needs to happen. We need to truly look at our ordinance and see if it needs to be rewritten." Because it was basically overarching on people's property that
had wave runners, boats, any of those items were all part of that old ordinance. Again, we don't have a venue big enough if I have started writing then because we had never had a complaint before on any of the stuff, right? So once Panama City started with theirs, we had the gentleman over there
that you saw, you got the emails just like I did. He started then as soon as Panama City looking at our ordinances, wanting us to enforce that. At that point, I said, "Let's look at this. Let's make sure that we're within the scope of what of of telling people
what they can do on their personal property." It took you guys six meetings to make a decision. Okay. And ultimately you said and before we left that day they said I said said I got to have some type of guide. I pulled Bobby Baker up here. Chris Lightfoot the guide was the water. We had that meeting
about six people showed up. Okay. Meeting with the city manager. In that meeting four of the six said, "Look, brother, I'm with the side. I'm going to move my right. One of them has a meter in the backyard.
Okay. We're going to address that however we need to because we're going to say, "Hey, I I get it. You're in Cameron's Crossing." But I think what we got going is moving very well. And I'm going to say 95% have been self-compliant and self-corrected the
problem already except for the six that showed up here down there that didn't show up in a commission meeting. But it still doesn't answer my question. My question is before the ordinance, right? None of it was written up. Once
we did the ordinance, then then things started getting written up. And the way it was always explained to me was mainly complaint driven. So is any of those complaint driven? The 33 that were written up. We can initiate and get I know you can. But but to answer your question because
you're very good at you you want to answer it. Prior to we didn't have any complaints at all until Panama City started to do their ordinance. Right. So to answer your question, no, we didn't have any that were complaint driven, but I could read the writing on
the wall that this was going to happen in Lynhaven. So that's when I told them, go out and get a just a perview of where we'll stand if we try to enforce the old ordinance. That's where your 300 violations came from that we keep talking. I get that. But to answer your question, no, we did
not at that point. But the way But the way it was always explained to me was code enforcement is mainly complaint driven. I'm just trying to figure out is that the standard or is that not the standard? It is the standard, but you also look at the statute what it says code
enforcement and law enforcement can initiate as well. Right. I get that. But yes, you're I mean we're following the statute. We're following the ordinance. I'm just trying to figure out what the standard is. Standard mainly complaint driven or not complaint driven? Complaint driven. Okay. But how many of these are complaint driven?
Which ones? for the 33 that were written up. Sir, you got the emails from that that gentleman over behind public. You were CCed in every one of those emails where he's complaining. How many emails did he send us? And he CC the commission. I sent them to Mr. Tender the other night. Chief, I think he's talking about the
letters that were sent. That's what he's talking about. When he says written up, I think he that's nobody's fine. They're being sent a letter saying, "Hey, we're giving you 30 days to comply." Right? Those 30 came from SE they're going around the city doing sections at
a time. That's from stemming from that gentleman over there making a multiple complaints. And code enforcement did say at table while they're out doing other
complaints, if they see people within that neighborhood, they do uh come back and they'll just send them a letter out. I opened one this morning or had them open one on Georgia Avenue. There's one that's been sitting in the front yard down from Blue Moon. I don't know for how many years, but it's sitting right
in the in the middle of the yard. I said, "Hey, will you guys send him a letter?" That's our job to do. I get that, but it's when we're told it's mainly complaint driven and then we wrote all these up because I wasn't expecting this. Once we
pass this, I figured, okay, we might have a handful of people get a complaint and then we might have to re-engage on this, but then I saw that we got like 33 of them written up. So, I was like, what the heck? Was there 33 complaints? No.
That's why I'm trying to figure out what the standard is. The standard the standard is is when you pass an ordinance. I'll give you an example. Okay, I'm going to go away from there. When when an ordinance has passed, okay, that you guys want, you know, you made
the decision on, we have to go out and determine because it was complaint driven from a citizen. Let's get out in the front of it. Let's go ahead and send a letter to this person because we found them in violation. They started on that quadrant. they'll move to another quarter. Okay. It ended up being 33 and
I'm going to have to say self-corrected. Probably 15 or 20 of them immediately self-corrected when the ordinance was passed. Okay. Okay. So, again, you guys did what we asked you to do. We're just enforcing it. That's But yes, we we are going to go out.
I'm never going to sit there and say don't enforce the law. I will never say that. Okay. Then where are we going? But well, that's what I'm trying to figure out is what I'm getting a lot of complaints, too. And I'm just I'm just let everybody know. I know they're all going to be here tomorrow because I didn't really
know how um you got back to me on the code enforcement part. The one question I had and I might be misinformed. Um people could make a complaint, code enforcement could go out and take care of it. Yes. And then somebody wrote to me
years, not this year, not the last five meetings, that whoever turns somebody into code enforcement has to give their name. So are we creating really toxic neighbors?
I mean I mean think about I wouldn't complain about that's a state statute. We didn't stat we just started to enforce that. Yeah. Yeah. That's unfortunately that's a that's a state law. Have you had any problems with that? Because I would think you I mean you get people call in and say
hey I don't want to leave my name but this is happening and so I mean we will go out looking we knock on a lot of doors but this one gentleman I I don't know how many emails I got. I think you guys were CC on them but he wouldn't stop. He just kept on with them. And so ultimately
that's the decision we did at zone by zone is almost like a neighborhood cabinets. Let's look at them. Let's send letters, right? That's what we did. So when you're saying you wrote we got they got wrote up, they're not written up. A case was opened, right? And they got a letter and said, "Hey, please comply
within 30 days." Then within 30 days, we go out and do a recheck and you're Well, that's not considered a write up. No, it's just a warning. It's letting them know. the letter says I mean generally what happens ultimately is if they don't comply within the 30
days maybe around the 40th day we'll go back and then we'll issue the citation and that's when it'll start the process of going before the magistrate we want people to selforrect we try to do the next right thing by knocking on the door okay it's a lot easier and I think and
again I think it has been received well and I think we've got great compliance so and I did send an email back in clarification ation and say it was a letter just letting them know that the ordinance had changed. Wasn't a
citation. Um uh the law had changed. A warning and a write up. So this was a warning. Yeah, it's a notice. It's actually a notice. That's what it's titled. Okay. It's we're giving you notice that you're in violation. Please please correct us in 30 days. Do they have do they have another 30 and
then go before the magistrate in 45? Well, they can ask for an extension. For example, you know, one of the people in that meeting said, "Hey, I'm I'm not going to be in compliance within the 30 days." And he asked, you know, in the open, "I'm about to go on a camping trip for 70 days. Can I have an extension?" And we said, "And and Brian granted it
right there." He said, "Absolutely." They go above and beyond to try to work with people. Okay? So, it's not like we're issuing citations, you know, you're in violation, you got this many days. We try to work with anybody and everybody. Okay. I know. No, I had one guy. He was
actually complaining, but he hadn't gotten a letter. I think he was complaining cuz he hadn't gotten a letter. Um, that's what it felt like. But he was on vacation. His neighbor got the letter cuz they both have him personal. He was actually in the meeting. That guy was
Oh, really? Yeah. And and actually Brian said, "You're on my desk." He knew the address and he goes, "Well, sir, I'm going to fix it." So, what do we do without a chunk of you? You know what I'm saying? The guy's going to comply. So, the other question I have is someone told me that before the ordinance, if it
was an RV with a motor, so basically it's a drivable motor, that it was legal to park in their driveway before this ordinance, but not after this ordinance. Is that right? Okay. And so what it said is they
classified an RV and and Amy, correct me if I'm wrong, but there was some language in there that had that if it was driveable, it didn't fall under the RV ordinance, right? But the majority of those that you're referring to, ultimately the one that I
I I can say for certain, it was well over the sidewalk. So I mean, at the end of the day, you guys, I think you made the right call. We got a good ordinance in place. it's working. So, I think overall, you know, but yes, to get back to your question, that's the way that the old ordinance read if it was
drivable, it was considered as a motor vehicle, unlike an RV. So, you guys addressed it and they are recreational vehicles. I didn't like Here's the thing. I didn't like the old ordinance. I didn't like the the strings attached to it. I don't feel that we should be
infringing on someone's Fourth Amendment telling, you know, going on their property and where I'm going. what can you have right in your driveway? And and there were so many tentacles added to it and and and I remember I think you were the even the one that said, "Hey, let's narrow this down to RVs only." Right
during the meeting, we don't we don't want all that other language dealing with boats, wave runners, and everything else, right? Let's concentrate on RVs. And that's what you will do. You separated it unlike the older ones that had everything. So, so
if you take a regular car, if it's parked in the way of the driveway, it's that in violation a car. No, we have a Florida state statute that can deal with blocking sidewalks and so we have there's something there statute to deal with that. Yes. Okay.
Is there a limit to how many cars they can have in the yard? No, no limit. are ULDC are tagged and you know they have a valid registration on them then we can and it's just like the the RVs the same thing you know the class C motor homes or the class A's
they had to have a a ballot tag on when they were considered a vehicle at that time. So those are things that we look for and try to you know take care of our ULC also already says that you can't have something in the public rideway after 10 p.m. if it's longer than 18 ft.
Yeah. And it says other stuff. It says motor homes, right? Um trailers. So again, I feel overall we did well with the way it's written and I think we're getting overall compliance. We certainly are never going to make everybody happy.
No, we're not. But the big complaint I'm getting is the water meters. There's some people's water meters that are like doesn't give them like anything. Well, you got to look at the guy had a water league this past weekend, two weekends ago. What's the first thing Chris will tell you? What side of the meter is on it on? Right.
It's on my side. It's yours. Okay. Right. So, I mean, if we're going to use that and I think it was it makes it easier on us and I know we're not at 100%. Bobby Baker named I think four or five properties right off the top of his head when he said the meter's in the backyard, but one of them is in Cameron in the crossing. He was
spot on. It's in the backyard. So, what do we do with that? Well, with case by case basis, you can negotiate with this guy and say, "Look, can you get, you know, make sure you're not blocking the sidewalk, put it on the side, you know, I mean, it's and then we will also use the the GIS, you know, as
a backup." And I think that's been the rule of thumb. This guy's totally compliant. He's going to move it. He's already building a pole, but again, how did that happen? By us talking to, you know, and making him understand. So, again, I don't want you to think we're just rubber stamping stuff and and being
a communist and saying it's got to go for 30 days and it's going to be towed out of there. That's that's the furthest thing from the truth. I talked to a guy who actually got with somebody who has an empty field. Yep. And he told him and all his neighbors
could park their RVs in fields. Bo, I'm very transparent about this. I have a pit. It's in an RV lot. And the day I bought it, you know why it's in the RV lot? because I know what the ordinance said. Even the old.
So that's the thing. Miss Vander said it best. When they bought them, guess what? They knew what the ordinance said. Well, I just wanted everybody to know. I know there's more people coming tomorrow only because they call and I go, "Yeah, I do think it would be wise that even though on the code enforcement side they
know what the that the sidewalks are in the public rideway, I think it might be wise for us to put it in the ordinance to specifically say the RVs cannot be over a public sidewalk to help the people that are actually reading it cuz the average citizen that I talk to
doesn't know what the right way is and they don't understand the sidewalk. So, I think that would help if we just updated it to say that it can't be over a public sidewalk. Well, be careful with that. Pine Forest, Bobby,
the sidewalk, you know, during election season, you all know your signs got to be left behind the telephone pole. If you go into the Pine forest subdivision, the sidewalks are behind the telephone pole on private property. So, you have to That's not a good guide. I'm just telling you. I think you stick
with what you have. the water meter and then we do a case by case basis if it's in the backyard. But but trying to use a sidewalk, you have to I think there's more skewed sidewalks than there are water meters. Would that be added to somebody? Well, I would think so. And the sidewalk
projects that like for example we're doing on Illinois Avenue, we moved a lot of those sidewalks to the very back of the rideway. So if a resident had an RV that they were already parking that wasn't blocking the sidewalks, we moved the sidewalk back. were still in our rightway, but now all of a sudden it's
blocking the sidewalk and they haven't been an issue before. It's kind of a I would steer very clear that I mean, Mr. P, I get what you're saying, but I really think what you have in place with the water meter, there's going to be exceptions and we have to like anything
else do a case byase basis with it, but for an overall guide, I know I feel confident enough by saying, Bobby, am I correct? There's probably more more sidewalks that are out of place than there are water meters. And again, this is pre-existing. You guys are dealing with pre-existing conditions,
right? So, distance from a telephone pole or distance from a sidewalk to be just as much a quagmire as the water meter. 100%. Water meter is your best best go. And I think that last meeting that's I didn't want to leave here until we had some type of guide and that's what we came up
with was the water meter. Well, if we're going to use water meter, we need to have it written as a caveat if the water meter is a certain distance into their yard because right now you and Brian, you know this, but we're making an ordinance for the future. So once you
guys retire, they could go back and start using this ordinance to start enforcing. I don't think we're going to go around dig water meters. That's that's what I'm saying. So rather So what I'm saying is you write the ordinance as it is now. say use the
water meter in the ordinance in the ordinance and then say if if water meter is further than x amount of feet I wouldn't be careful I'd be careful putting anything I would just use the water meter and then let them call if they say hey my water meter's in
the backyard cuz call him the wizard but he pretty much named the five or six in the city that were behind in the backyard and so what happens when the majors in the backyard him we go to him and then we Our default at that point would be the GIS mapping
from the county and then if they contest it then it'll have to go before the magistrate and he'll have to make the decision. Then we can just put that in the ordinance before it goes before the magistrate. We would have it does for the people that are reading it. I'm not I'm I understand that from an enforcement standpoint. Sure. I'm
talking about the average Joe that goes to the ordinance and says, "What's the ordinance in the city?" And then they can read it and say, "Oh, okay. And now I know before I buy an RV cuz me as a citizen, I'm going to look at the public right away and I'm going to say what is the public right away? And then I'm going to search it up and it's going to
say 10 ft from the road because that's our utilities right away and that's confusing. And so it's all it is our job to make something that's enforceable, but it's also our job to make something that is legible to the average person to read it and understand what they're getting into because I dis because I
disagree. Language could be the common keyword is common. you know boundary would be behind the water meter. So from my perspective, I don't think any change is needed to the ordinance. And here's why. A public rideway because it it is not standardized, but it is a commonly
used term. It includes a lot of things. And by using the water meter as the method of enforcement, the measurement, that's an administrative decision, and it may change with the administration. However, because this is a code enforcement process, if you, a citizen, are not sure if your RV is parked in any
portion of the rideway, you have two avenues. one, you can ask someone to come to your house and inspect it. Um, is this in the right away and change your behavior accordingly, park it in a way that is not in violation. Alternatively, if you are put on notice
um and you disagree that you are in the right of way, you can you can challenge that. That's what the special magistrate is for. That is the due process that is built into into this whole system. Yeah. Then we just wasted manh hours of sending out code enforcement, wasted money of set people going to magistrate
when we could just clear it up by putting up where it's readable. It's your ordinance. You can do whatever you want. I I do feel like the the systems you have in place already provide for those runoffs where the water meter may be in the backyard and the right of ways is not as clear. Well, it's not just the backyard.
There's some that are like way up close to the house, you know. I bet my water meters 10 ft from my front door. my water meter's on my private property. One of the ones that is about 10 ft off my my concrete sidewalk. So, I mean, the
majority of my front yard is in on the city right away. But, I mean, at the end of the day, when they built my house and I bought it, I knew that. Yeah. And I agree with that. I'm just saying we And here's the thing that concerns me. It concerns me more for the water department when they have a break or a
leak. You're telling me I can't have my RV beyond that, right? We want to argue the point that it's so close to my house, then come fix this pipe. Even though you're telling me it's on my side of the meter, you're now going to allow them to say, "Guess what? You told me
that I couldn't put it there. Now Chris and them are going to have the argument if I can't have my RV out that far. You come fix this pipe regardless of what side of the meter it's on." You have to be very careful with that kind of purpose, what you're trying to do. I would leave it the way it is because
it's successful and it's working. just the way it is. Can we possibly give the public something? And I know this sounds so minute, but it's a positive rather than telling them everything we want to take away. Um, I know a lot of people travel
in RVs. I've had one come to my house and spend the night and they just pulled their RV up in my front yard, slept there, and they left the next day. Is there any way we could add to this ordinance? If you something about if you have an overnight
guest coming, call, let the city know they'll be there overnight so there's not an issue. It's kind of giving the public a little extra something than just, you know, we're going to take this away, we're going to take that away. You don't like that one either. No, it's not that. I just know that you
guys fought a hard battle about trying to get people out of living in a heartbeat post. So, you're kind of teetering right back to that direction. I know it's an overnight. It's kind of like, well, you're traveling on the road in an RV. A lot of RV grounds allow you just an overnight place to sleep while
you're traveling. I know in essence, that's truly what people would try to do, but then you're going to have the people, well, they they ended up saying another night, another night. And I feel like you're going to get back into fighting the battle of people living in their RVs and their driveway. I'd tell them to come over here and park across from city hall in the parking
lot. actually on the second night or Walmart or somewhere else. I get it. Okay. So, just a thought positive. Any other discussion on the RV ordinance?
That's not a deal. That's not a hill I'm willing to die on. What I was saying, I was just throwing it out there. So, you know, if you guys think about it and come tomorrow you want to talk about it more, just let me know. and based on what we hear from the public because yeah, I'm afraid they're going to be lined up.
All right. Um, any other matters to bring before the commission? Uh, sure. I got one. So, um, after the meeting, our last meeting, uh, I had two people from the senior center
come up to me and they said, "Hey, so we heard someone say something about the mailbox." Well, we don't there's only one person in the senior center that actually wants that mailbox. So, I was like, you know what? I'll go senior center and ask. And so, I made an
appointment over there and I went over to the senior center. And before I even the second I walked in, I didn't even bring it up. The first person that saw me said, "We don't need the mailbox." And I was like, "Okay." And then someone else came up because they didn't even know I was I wasn't coming there
specifically for the mailbox. I was just this is a good time. They invited me so I'm going to come over. And then someone else came up. I had three different people without me even bringing it up saying they don't need the mailbox. Basically what they said was there's one person there that wants it
and they have they have their own mailbox. They just don't want to use it. And they basically that person is upset with the the officers or whatever over there. and they came to us and complained because they wanted to go
over their head. So to me, I get that one person wants it, but if the majority of the senior center doesn't, I don't feel like we need to spend any time from the city to do that, especially considering we don't even know if we we don't even have the power to put it
there anyways cuz then the USPS is going to have to do their whole thing. So, I just want to let you know I did do my research on I went over and talked to them and it appears that it's just one out of many that actually wanted it and they were upset with people at the senior center and they came to I think
it was you that they brought it to or and so that's well we've always had an outgoing mailbox at city hall for years and years and years sat right out here on this corner basically before this was built sat right here on this
corner was there for years anybody could pull up throw their mail in it and I mean, it wasn't just for the senior centers. I just felt like if the mailbox was back there, but it it's no sweat off my butt. I have mailbox. And they did contact me and say the same
identical thing. That was not a priority for for them at all. And they thought it was the little mailbox like Chris, that little piece of junk mailbox they got out there. I'm I was trying to get the one place that has been here for 25 years. that
got picked up during the storm and never flew back. I think we did research on that and we knew the word that there was what you're talking about where you used to turn in between. Was it a church that they used to have the commission meetings in? Yeah. Right there. And you could just pull up
I think we saw it the last time we saw it was 2007. We actually went back and did the mapping on it and the last time it was there was 2007. It was even going before Hurricane Michael. Um, so yeah, we went back and did all of the the um
the mapping on it to try to see where it was. And the first time we saw it was the last time we saw it 2007, 2010. Somewhere along in there. Um, so you know that that has been Yeah, it's no issue for me. No,
I mean I'd use it just because when I drive by, throw my mail in there and be done. So you're talking USPS box where people can drop off their mail. The blue ones. the big blue one. Oh, I thought you were talking about this one for the No, not just that little one. Matter of fact, that same lady they're talking
about over at the senior center. Um, I've talked to her, too, and she's got some big fancy idea for something she's going to put up there to replace that little mailbox thing of which they don't even get their mail in. She told me, she goes, "No, we haven't bring it in cuz we don't like it left
outside." That was the whole conversation that started. I don't like leaving mail sit around, you know. And she says, I never put outgoing mail in that mailbox cuz you never know who's going to swing by and pick it up.
So, it's no no sweat to me. I just brought it up. One other thing that they brought up when I was over there is you know where we used to have our meetings over there. were sitting right behind like when I seat one right to the left there's a
little door right there and they were wondering if it was possible that they could um have some of our stuff removed from there so they could use that as a little office cuz they don't really have they'd like a little area where they can have like a little intimate area that if they want
to have like one-on-one uh meetings with you know cuz they have they have officers there they have like a president and a treasurer and and all that and I don't really have an office space and they were wondering that we could move our stuff in that little office area just so they could use that
on Monday, Wednesday and Friday to uh I don't know have one-on-one meetings. Yeah. And they have talked to Jennifer and I about that and um I told Cody and a couple of the officers and we sit down and and meet because they do have a computer room in there as well. Mhm.
Um that you know we could turn that into something, move those computers somewhere else. We want them to feel comfortable wherever they are. So we do have a couple ideas we're going to and I thank you for for talking to them as well. Um a couple ideas we could we
could do to make them happy. That's true. They do have definitely some space. Yep. Any other matters to bring to the commission? So, tomorrow we have this item on the Do
we need 12 on the agenda? I I mean, I'm probably in the minority here, but I don't think the water meter is the way to go. I don't I just don't I I I don't know about you guys, but I Well, we're going to be listening to a lot of people tomorrow probably who are
going to say the same thing as you. Yeah. So I say leave it on the agenda. Well, we'll leave it on the agenda, but but um I mean I guess the discussion from the public will will warrant it's going to drive that whether we
well whatever we we decide. I mean is there any other clear definition besides the water meter that we've you know cuz the suggestions from the emails I got were telephone pole and sidewalks measure distance from there. Um, is there any pinpoint on the the the county
map or anything that you can use as a as a central point or of of any kind? So, we have something else besid I mean, we could say the rule of thumb is the water meter, but is there a is there a surefire goto from there?
Telephone. Well, I just said that and they they said that that would be Chief Ramy mentioned about the the county GIS showing the rightway line. Yeah, that is a, you know, I'm assuming what as code enforcement officers go to if they if there's not a water meter in the
in the front yard, they would go to the county GIS line. And if that still didn't solve the issue, I mean, ultimately, especially before it went to a magistrate, we would have to have a surveyor come out and properly mark the right called the county GIS line. County GIS right away.
It'll show your property line. To me, that's what it should be anyways is your property line. So, I guess my question about the county GIS is that some houses I look at, they're actually like in the middle of the line, right? The lines are definitely off.
They're the lines are not perfect. It's just a good go-to in the field or or while his officers are out there speaking to the resident. I think one thing speaking of which I think one thing we may want to do is if you like if you Google on our website
Glenhaven rightway it's talking about the utility right away not the public right away um which is different but that has created some confusion so maybe we want to just like bold the utility or
change the word just a little bit to if someone like us that are in the weeds of it all, we understand what it's saying. And um but the if there has been multiple people asking about it, that means that maybe we can just change the
words a little bit. Hopefully that'll get a get prevent some confusion is all. Nothing was done wrong there. It's absolutely legal and and kosher to me. I just think that it won't take that long to update some verbiage on on the
website to to prevent any future confusion because I know people are going to bring that up in the future as soon as we start talking about this again. Is that your that's your military training in uh clarify everything. I I I mean I'm all for it. I think everything should be black and white. I review policies for a living.
Yeah, that's right. And you said that on our on our website. So have a different definition. So this is utility. Yeah. I mean, it says it, but maybe just change the and then put a definition in for what public rightway is. Well, there isn't one for public right
away. It's just that if you Google Linhaven rightway, the first thing that pops up is that uh policy 94 or whatever, you click on it and it says like rightway protections. Maybe if we put utility rightway protections or
something. Okay. um look at that because it like I said it's it's technically correct. There's just been some confusion and people that are upset are going to go straight to that thing. Sure. And people don't understand the
telephone poll thing even during election time. I can't tell you how many if I give somebody a sign and I go by and they have the darn thing out in front of the telephone and I go I forgot to tell them they got to have it behind the telephone pole. Mhm. Yeah. I don't ever want sidewalks on
Virginia either. Don't ever put them in, please. Any other matters come before the commission. All right. City manager will give us the layout for tomorrow. Yes, sir. Um, tomorrow of course we'll have commission meeting at 9 um a.m. and
then meeting follow following we'll go into a strategic plan. We'll probably just uh rearrange here. Uh I I know that you normally are down from the dis so that you can sit here and really chat with each other. Um so we'll have uh the
chairs rearranged a little differently. Um and go through several exercises. Um the the five cornerstones um Amy will will talk about policies and procedures, strategic planning, capital
improvement, some some visionary things. so that we can um continue to um improve our strategic document. Um we have updated it. I think you'll be pleased with some
of the updates in it, but we want to hear from you and make sure we're in uh in line with with your visions as well. Um then we will break for lunch uh come back and and finish up and hopefully be out of here about 3:00. Is that what
you're looking for? Yes. Yes. Okay. Staff will be here. There will definitely be interaction with staff. You can ask staff questions. Um that what needs to be happen. If you remember, I don't know. I think
Commissioner Tinder and Commissioner um I can't remember if Commissioner Parnau were here when I first started this in 2020. I think it was 2020. Um it was an all
day section. Um and um commission asked me to keep it going. Um that it was very helpful in giving insight and and vision to everything. Um so we will uh kind of follow that same.
You had the big pad so we could write down ideas and stuff. Yes, ma'am. You you're exactly right. Yes. Okay. All right. Thank you. Um, in regards to strategy, um, again, just reminding
everyone to send to the city manager your concerns regarding the, uh, the ULDC and and comp plan so that we can start or continue um, working through that as well, addressing I guess the highlighted
areas that are of immediate concern to you. um because there may be unlike the ordinances we haven't gone through the ordinance sort of section by section um sequentially going through those. However, I know there have been questions that we've had about the UODC that we might have got citizen driven
complaints um or concerns about that we can address more immediately as opposed to maybe waiting to go through that um sequentially as well. So, whatever your areas of concern are, again, give those to her and then we can play out a plan
to work through those as well. Right. If nothing else, we'll see you at 9:00 a.m.