It's it's great to see faces out and see what's hap the great things that are happening in the city of Linhaven. Just a little bit of background and uh in terms of this project, many of you remember we got this grant back probably in about 2020.
It's taken it took us about about two years to get this grant through dealing with several uh agencies and then we finally got the okay to start the design of this grant and um Florida architect won the bid for that. Um while they won
the bid, we did go and have somewhat of a shares with many of the um the community that came out and decided um they wanted to there were things that they wanted to see on Florida Avenue. And so we had Lynn uh Cherry um that
came out then and and led the community through some of the things they really wanted to see incorporated in the design. We turned those uh comments and suggestions over to Florida architect and they've done a very very good job of
incorporating some of these ideas that actually the community um thought would be uh very good for our area here. We know that this is going to revitalize many parts of our city. Our city is growing and it's beautiful. Uh but when
I came on board, I just see Florida Avenue as a diamond um in the rough and we just need to ensure that it continues to grow and be beautiful and uh bring uh businesses within this area. And so that's what this grant is. It
revitalizes and gives uh some really some great beautifification to this area. Uh and so uh we're pretty excited what uh uh Florida architect has come up with and they're going to share that with you. We have been and I have met
with the business owners owners um that will potentially beffect affected by this grant and uh they have given us suggestions which we've also turned over to Florida architect to make some changes. Um and now I think we're at a
point that we can share some things with you. So, I'm not going to hold any longer. I'm going to turn it over uh to Joe Sorsy and his counterpart here, Antonio Desessie. And then they have with them as
well, Patrick Hodes. So, I'm going to turn it over to Joe and then Joe's going to lead the discussion any grant related. Um we have city employees. Ban is here. Um I'm here that we can surely answer those questions. And just let me recognize the commissioners that are
here. Commissioner Perno, Commissioner Peebles, uh, Commissioner Ward, they are all here and thank you for being here. Thank you, Mrs. Gainor, and thank you all for coming today. So, as you know, design is a process. Uh, we start
with some ideas and some input. we kind of gel it to a point where we're at today, share some goals, some ideas, some concepts and then that will get refined again. Um we will start uh
engineering probably after we get some input from the citizens uh today uh because the engineering places the actual light poles where they need to go and you know working with AT&T and uh
Florida Power to get as much underground as we can possibly get with the money available. So um also in this presentation you will see ideas and concepts that aren't necessarily part of the construction
documents. In other words, we're making suggestions for development infill lots and some things I'll point out to you to encourage this economic development goal. That's what the grant is about and
that's what what we're trying to inspire those investors to say look your name could be under this building you know that kind of thing. So uh just to to show what we have now what it could be and uh you know generate some interest
and hopefully some investment. So as Mrs. Gainner said um I'm Joe Sourcey with Florida Architects. Antonio Odessi is the designer and planner for Florida Architects. And then the infamous Patrick Hodes with the Patrick Hodgees
land studio and also Phil with uh with Patrick working on on the landscape architecture and the planning as well. Um it seems like that this time of
day. Um so we do have some material here. Everything that will be on the slides will be on uh up here on the table. We can talk about it after. You can come up and look refer back to it. We can call up some slides later. We printed a few uh of the slides on boards
just uh as reference as we go along and that we can talk about. So the number one goal is to help give Florida Avenue in Ohio, city of
Linhaven an identity of its own for low cost, low maintenance, high impact. Okay. So, when we drive down Ohio Avenue, oh, we're in Linhaven. You know that because of the treatment in the in
the streetscape. I mean, that's the the idea. And so, Chris says low maintenance. Yeah. Right. Um, but when you consider some of the plantings that we're talking about in comparison to what we could be putting
expensive larger oaks and so forth, uh, which create debris and, you know, leaves and things that that's maintenance and, uh, so what we're after is something with high impact and lower maintenance than what it it could
otherwise be. Any questions so far? Thank you all for being here. Famous help desk guys back there doing the magic. So, this is an overall model, if you will, of what you'll see on the
slides. Um, and you'll see that um we do have uh there's numbers on some of the images that refer to keys uh up in the key map to kind of show you where that view is taken from. So, as
you come up and look at the prints closer, you'll be able to see what where those views are taken from. This is an actual 3D digital model uh that's been rendered uh to give us a more uh
realistic view of of what this could be. So the main part of Ohio Avenue or the center part I should say uh extending just south of Sheffield Park all the way up uh to uh 7th. Um, you
know, that's the the real core of the downtown area, right? So, part of the issue is connecting Florida Avenue with Ohio and Sheffield Park. That's that's the basis of of creating that identity
from the center out. So that corridor, that hallway, as Patrick will describe, uh, connects Sheffield Park, City Hall down across Ohio to Central Florida Avenue and then branches out both sides
from there. So when we talk about high impact um when we look at these types of plantings uh you know you might think wow there's so many of them but you're looking at it in perspective. So as you're driving
down the gaps between them are pretty far. So uh a shopkeep wouldn't have to worry about blocking the view that you would if you had oak trees, right? Because oak trees are going to spread way out and they're going to block more
view. Whereas these are taller and narrower, so you see more in between them, but you still get that unique look that nobody else has. And so that's one of the one of the goals that we were
after. Southern Red Cedar. scenario that we have to create has to take in in account multiple speed that we may travel through or walk through. So that's that's where you know the the landscaping and the softscaping and the
hardscaping of all had come together to identify on one side the intersection between Ohio and 9inth street as you know the main point of access iconic experience for you know between uh the fact that on the east side we have the
city hall and the opportunity to actually explore on the west side. So we we've taken that one as the main point to start our conversation about how we can enlarge you know the scope of the grant and start looking into Florida Avenue
being a kind of a back road and how to create a frontage now at this point avenue at the proper speed that it's walking it's biking it's kids going to school coming back it it's more of a smaller neighborhood environment that that we
And Joe mentioned the concept of the hallway and that's what we refer to 9inth Avenue as the hallway because that's going to be the connection from, you know, city hall and the downtown area over to Florida. And you'll see as we go through the the concepts, we have
totally different concepts for how we're treating the landscape of Ohio because it's a you know, it's a rapidly moving heavy traffic collector road uh than what we're using on Florida. Although we have a lot of
unifying elements that are the same that are carried throughout the overall concept, they're distinctly different because they're just two totally different modes of transport or you know traffic loads and so forth. And so the
whole idea is to make that hallway much more conducive to pedestrian traffic while still allowing the free flow of vehicular traffic by in making the sidewalks much more generous, providing seating, benches, things of like that
nature. And you'll see that the plant material that we're using on Florida is quite different uh because it's a different goal that we're trying to accomplish there. We got more shade trees. we can't have as many as we'd like because we have so much overhead
electric lines. But where we didn't have that, we've used larger canopy trees. And I think that uh on working with this I think that the idea of the uniqueness of the trees we've selected for Ohio is really to me is one of the biggest
things because you know if you think of streetscapes and go to any North Florida town you want to gosh just anybody who's done a streetscape you know planting or even go to Louisiana anywhere in the southeast you know you'll always see the oak
trees or crepe myrtles or elms or you'll see the monumental palm trees and things like that. And honestly, using these trees for this streetscape, you're going to have something very unique. I can't think of another streetscape in any town around here that has anything like that.
And I think that what you already have up and down Ohio with the large palms that we planted and the park around the city hall and all that, you know, you already have a flavor of that. And so what Patrick was talking about is we're going to have this uniqueness up and down Ohio uh both for the look of it and
also the the speed of the vehicles is different up and down there. So you want that spacing. But what we're doing is over on Florida like Patrick was saying, we're taking the palm tree or the palm tree motif that you have at the park and uh city hall and police station and we're flipping that over to Florida. So
it's kind of like bookends. So, we're repeating that design character over there uh just to tie the whole thing together. So, although we have a different streetscape, uh the look of it of now Florida, there's that connection to Ohio also while still preserving that
real unique look we're getting for Ohio Avenue. Exactly. So, I mentioned that design's a process and now getting to this point and hopefully getting some good positive feedback and and some ideas, thoughts,
um we'll be ready to start some engineering. One of the goals is to get as much of the overhead wires underground as possible. Obviously, the grant is not going to support by itself everything in a master plan.
master plan takes time to implement. Um there are other grants available um uh Ben has been working on identifying those and working towards submitting for those. So although the
master plan gives you that overall grand idea, we want you to understand that we have to take it in steps. And I think everyone would agree hardening the power and the communications is a good
attribute to the master plan. So wherever possible, like some of the wires on Ohio, they're only serving light poles and AT&T. So there's no reason why those poles and those wires really need to be there. We're going to be putting
underground power anyway for the lighting. So that takes that out of the equation. And then if we can get AT&T and our partner with Dubberry Engineers, Morgan Hurst, we'll be working with AT&T
to see how much of that they'll be able to get out of the way for us and hopefully bear some of that cost as well. So it is a process. You know, more funds would be necessary other than the
initial grant to accomplish everything, but strategically planning and steps, you know, so that you see the impact, but not have to go back and redo things to implement what eventually needs to be done.
My especially on this illustration, on this illustrations and on the 3D views, you're going to see some buildings are filling in empty lots. The idea behind it is to show you how the city can possibly look in 5 10 15 20 25 years from now so that you can start seeing
that and you know there is a vision that it's actually already taking in consideration you know the future development and the feasibility uh from a financial point of view investors to come in and developing further. So, we're going to show you some of the
drawings, the concept drawings, and Patrick and Phil will and Antonio will kind of tell you uh about each one of these sections. So, each drawing will have a key map down here. Uh and it'll show you
basically what area, and it's kind of hard to read because it's a little washed out, but um we'll describe where it is. like this one's Florida Avenue 10th to 9th Street. Uh but it will talk just briefly about some of the
overall goals. Obviously, you can't read all this now. You will have um I guess access to it. So, you can study it uh at your leisure and uh be able to u soak that up and then respond, you know, with
with some additional comments. So this is Florida Avenue streetscape beginning at 10th and going to 9inth. And 9th is again what we refer to as the hallway. So in a minute we'll get to that. But you can see what we've done is we've
come in and we broaden the sidewalks significantly. We've added larger trees where we didn't have overhead electric to interfere with that. And then we've done, you know, other types of trees, understory trees where we still have the
overhead electric to to be of concern. One of the things that is shown here is a walkway on the west side of Florida there. You know, there's two buildings there on the corner. This would be a a possible connection to
future parking, a public parking area, and also serve as a good connection to the school in addition to, you know, the the improved sidewalks on 9inth. Um, and that also has a crosswalk that takes you to the grocery store because one of the
things that we think might be possible is, you know, working with the grocery store owner is to improve the, uh, access, you know, perhaps have better pedestrian access even through the rear of the building. So, uh, you get a glimpse here. If you look to the right where you see the letter B in the
intersection, you see a a little bit of sneak peek of what we're talking about with Ninth. Uh that intersection would be paved. The streets would be resurfaced with a concrete unit paver that's shaped like a brick and it's going to be in a herring bone pattern.
Then we have a different uh concrete unit pa. It's a cobblestone shape that we're using for the parallel parking spaces and then a third larger you know unit concrete pa for the sidewalks and
for the crosswalks. So those are a subtle way of basically, you know, defining the different modes of transportation, the vehicular versus the pedestrian, and then of course, you know, the parking. So I think all of those elements with the planting, we
haven't done a lot of shrub planting. We're doing mostly trees and we haven't identified specifically individual trees. What we've done is we've listed a series of options for the different types for the canopy trees, for example, oaks,
elms, maple, etc. And then for the understory trees, things like native hollies like deahune holly, things of that nature, right? And the and the whole notion of the resurfacing is that we'll we won't have to tear up the concrete
street beneath it. We'll actually come in on top of that with a with a a setting bed for the pavers. And then that that enables us to to eliminate the vertical curb. We're raising that section of the roadway and then we'll
transition across the the parallel parking to the sidewalk. So basically it's a mountable curb and it would make it much easier for for ADA compliance. For example, and the uh hardscape
combinations Patrick was talking about, we're using three. They're all very different. I think, you know, even without looking at the trees and the new plantings, just doing that is going to be beautiful. I mean, it's going to look like a different a completely different part of your town is what that's going
to look like. And as far as the trees goes, yeah, what we what we're doing there, what Patrick's talking about is that where we don't have the overhead lines, we're going to have larger trees. You know, that'll be very beautiful, but there are a lot of overhead lines. And uh you can see already in the plan there, you can see where the letter B
is. Well, those tree symbols that are on each side, right and left of B, those are the big towering palm trees that you have here at the park. Those are our icons. That's how we connect to the park. That's what we were talking about earlier. And then the other thing that
we should probably talk about, too, is that the trees that we've selected here, uh, they're never going to outgrow space and the streetscape. What we're trying to do is allow for in the future that the properties up and down
this streetscape that they can redevelop uh with practically building, you know, the properties can build all the way to the lot line because the trees we've selected in the uh configuration will never interfere with anything that's proposed for any of those properties in the future. So, it covers all those
things. We're hoping that, you know, this type of hardscape and infrastructure improvement will stimulate uh the kind of development that Ben and others have mentioned that you're trying to accomplish here. We think it's a a very
achievable goal to do that and we think this project will will help expedite that type of uh interest and perhaps stimulate, you know, the type of new businesses coming into that
Florida Avenue corridor. safety is another consideration. So, as you heard Antonio say, you know, when you have events and people pedestrians and strollers, dealing negotiating with curbs can be uh hazardous. That's one area. Yes, of
course, we'll eventually have shown ballards to keep people from driving up on the sidewalk and, you know, that kind of thing. But um there are a couple of instances, particularly the grocery
store and that corner right there where um yeah, we'll see in the renderings where there was a continuous curb all the way or a continuous drive all the way from the radius of the curb at the
turn all the way down. So people would be pulling in and out into traffic. That's dangerous. And as we get more and more traffic and pedestrians, that's what we want because pedestrians walk with what? Wallets. That's what you need
in the business. So, um, we want them out of their cars. We want it safe for them to walk and and not have vehicles backing up out into traffic, you know, with pedestrians going back and forth, etc.
So, here's a couple of views. Um, and you'll see the top, um, where it says current view and and future view. So, that's an example of us doing a little magic and just showing an
infill building uh, along with the streetscape. So that you know these are things that could happen could inspire someone to develop a property and more businesses you know those boats ra that
raises everybody's business because more pedestrians come down and they walk by oh let's go in here and you know guess what they have their wallet with them. That's the that's the idea. So, getting rid of some overhead lines and um and
again, we haven't shown all of the Hall of Fame light poles like we have around here, the park, the city uh city hall area. Uh but those same light poles with the banners and those kinds of things will be placed along when we get into
the engineering side of it. We're just not showing it here in the renderings. Um that you see with the building and the green growing up the wall that that's actually the west wall of the grocery store. And so what we're proposing to do
there or excuse me, that's the north wall along Yeah. fronting along Ninth. So the idea there is to create almost like an outdoor farmers market display area. you know, it could be on a regular scheduled basis. Uh, but
to soften the building, you know, we've talked about the concept of a green wall that's basically just a simple mesh system with climbing vines, but and then of course having sort of popup idea in terms of the how the retail would be
handled during the market. you show them the plan for for ninth. Okay, there there we go. So the idea here is to you know I mean you just had engineering done for this intersection and we've you know used
that inter that that same engineering as our background for our design but uh we've eliminated uh parking on you know on the north side of the grocery store there and as Antonio and Joe both pointed out earlier
we've come up with a whole new scheme uh and layout for the parking in the the grocery store parking area, which you know is not necessarily a function of the grant, but it shows how you can take, you know, that same space, add a ton of green space in the middle of it,
and still come out with 10 additional spaces over and above what the current count is, even though we eliminated those ones along ninth that back into ninth. So, those are the kinds of things that we're we're trying to accomplish. As Joe pointed out, health, safety, and
welfare is always foremost in our thinking in addition to function and aesthetics. Yeah. on 9inth uh on the northwest corner and the southeast quarter. We've got these sign
walls proposed that are similar to what you know is is already taking place here on your your uh city hall site and those are basically you know welcome welcome to Linhaven type sign.
So I think we have a rendering of that don't we? Got the clicker. Yeah, these are just more of the the views that show the uh the future state that we're envisioning. Uh now I think you know you can see where
we've talked we've clustered the large date palms at the corners and the intersections to make that visual connection back across to Sheffield Park. you want to add? Also, you can see there u like Patrick
said the bottom middle image that's sure icono iconographic palms up from Sheffield Park like Patrick said and they're just at the intersections and we've done them in doubles like that formal doubles. That's kind of like you can think of it as double columns on a piece of architecture. That's that kind
of statement that we're looking for. Uh the other thing that makes it beautiful with a backdrop against the park is, you know, in the park you've got a little bit more of a free form spacing of those really monumental trees and this contrast in that way and it's a little more formal and not quite as many. So
there's that has that play there too. And then the mi the top middle image there. Now that's what we're talking about about putting uh some trees in where there's no power lines. And these uh something like that would be like a holly uh a little bit offset from the building. And as those trees grow and
mature, when they're the biggest they can get and they're the most beautiful, that's when they'll really be they'll reach the intent of design. And again, as I said earlier, they're never going to outgrow their situation. And that's one of the problems we're having with the existing trees out there. And we talked about this in a meeting
beforehand is a lot of the trees are planted under power lines. And even though they're pretty right now, when they start maturing and get to what they want to be, they're going to have to come out. So, we've been very careful with the power lines and also understanding we want to redevelop these
properties or allow that to happen for future owners or current owners. And so, that gives you a really good image right there. Uh that bottom middle and the top middle of uh you know, two two different ways to look at that. Um this a good sheet right here.
idea behind it. As you can see here, it's also to show you kind of a lifestyle shot where you can see a mix of twotory buildings. So what if we stop you know developing only one story and we start seeing the second story coming on top of it or we also have some you will see also in the future renderings
three story and three stories and a half with a finished out attic so that we're still you know below the 40 ft uh elevation but we start seeing more intensity on on the lots because eventually I mean it will be the organic
growth of what we see in this district. Now here you can see um these are different shots uh still on um Florida. So on on the top left side there is a county owned uh uh building and there is a parking that it's not I
mean it's a little bit underutilized. So we reorganized also the entrance the access to that parking and the parking layout. And then on the I mean we create a pocket park more of an Instagram photo opportunity for the backside of the
grocery outlet. I mean it's located so close to 9 and 9. It's an easy access to Florida Avenue. So that's why we tried our best to start dressing up you know going north and south from the intersection of 9inth and and Florida.
So going if you go to your top uh right rendering that when it's that possible access to additional parking parking eventually will be you know it it's a beautiful problem to have because when we have parking issues means that we're actually in business.
So um it's better to to think that the prime lots on Florida Avenue should not have parking. Parking should be in the back should be elsewhere. So that we want as much possibility for those wallets to walk into uh into a shop and not into a parking lot. So that's why we
try to define many different strategies to to bring parking in phases to the to the possible financial economic development of Florida Avenue. One thing, don't get hung up on the images of trees. some are crooked and
some, you know, we work with the software we have available. And so when we pick a tree out of the software, you know, it may have some fronds that look like they could be trimmed, all that kind of stuff. So, um, the it's the the
idea and the concept, not necessarily the literal, you know, tree that you're looking at right there. So, that's one thing I wanted to say. Um, and then also you saw where there are nooks, not just pocket parks, but there could be little
uh recesses along the the the facade of the street that allow multiple storefronts in a smaller smaller footprint. So, um, as business comes in and they're they're developing some of
these shops, um, having that little recess, some seating, and, you know, that kind of thing encourages more smaller businesses to come in and rent those those areas. We can see the example.
This is one of the parking areas we were asked to take a look at. And so, we've reconfigured the parking. This is the city- owned building which tax collector counties building tax collectors. So we have much more efficient uh parking and
when we created a landscape buffer along the frontage of Florida Avenue where we could have trees and then some shade trees in the parking area itself. Of course, we're going to preserve the uh beautiful majestic oak there on the corner by the tax collector's office,
but do have parallel parking continuing all the way along east side particularly, but there's ample parking. The configuration of the parking we've done in the tax collector's
property. One of the things about the you go back. Oh, you that one right there. One of the things about the U parking lot layout there and this is this is true for the grocery store and for several others that we're looking at. Um, you know, a lot of these parking
lots were built a long time ago and they were laid out in a very inefficient way. you know, these days with land at a premium and sites tiny, you know, we've learned how to just really condense, you know, a lot of cars that into a smaller space, but still have safety. And so
really what we found in installing these new landscape buffers along Florida, uh, which we're creating, we found that what we could do is we could do that by simply taking some of these really outdated parking lots and just what we're calling a lot of times just a
restriping plan. uh you can take and leave most all of the paving and just resurface it uh without removing very much. And so we found, you know, really we I wasn't really we weren't really expecting it, but simply just re, you know, just a different configuration of a lot of these old parking lots gives
you that landscape space there. So, we found that and this one here was was was no different. And as Patrick said, that really beautiful big oak tree right on the corner, you can see how much space is being allowed for that. Uh it's going to be a really beautiful spot there too. Here you can see more of the
projected development, you know, just ideas and none of this is a design. It's just an idea of volume to see how Florida Avenue will look when we start going vertical and the intensity of the development and how the landscaping plays with that.
So this I mean we're going from the Masonic Lodge uh all the way back to the to the intersection with Ninth. So this is kind of a mix of north and south of between 8th and 9th and a little bit uh going over to seventh. That's that's
what you can see there. Right. So, this features uh 9inth Avenue, which we refer to as the hallway, and then you see in the lower right the re redesigned parking area for the grocery outlet. Uh and on the north
side of the building where we eliminated the head-in parking that actually came directly off of 9inth, that's where we show the the outdoor retail display area. might be appropriate for weekend farmers market and things of that nature. Of course, you see a lot of
landscaping that's been added. U we've done some reconfiguration on the parking on the northwest corner here of Ohio and 9inth and I think we've received comments from the owners there that we have yet to address but we appreciate
and we will address. So, you have to hold a mic right up to your mouth. Okay. Don't be shy. So, there's some of those crooked trees that came out of the software. I'm just telling you. So, as you can see in a lot of
these stretches, it's not a lot of crazy landscaping, right? They're spread out. It greens it up. You can see from the renderings the understory and the canopy trees, the difference, but it it brings
life to the streetscape. Uh, and the different textures, different colors, you know, this is all part of that matrix, right? That creates that pedestrian area where people want to be, where they want to walk with their kids,
etc. Yeah, more boring plans. Couple of renderings. We tried not to leave too much out so you can study all this later, but um gives you a couple different aerial
views. Um, I mean, I can see that retail area there on the north side of Grocery Outlet becoming a, you know, kind of a centralized hub on the weekends, right? Or even during the week, different different events. So, um, getting people
from the park to Florida Avenue, you know, that that whole idea of tying the landscape together, creating those bookends, as Phil said, you know, and that experience for people to enjoy.
idea is to establish a secondary access. I mean a lot of times even in a len it's a grid uh city but it has a major corridor. So in so many different ways from a planning point of view behaves like a linear city and the the issue
with linear cities is to create diversified interest across. So to to develop then eventually future nodes uh also for you know higher intensity business to develop it is it is important eventually to establish a
counter uh a counter corridor and ninth organically it really delivers that also because the position of of city hall and that's why for us it is so important to anchor a lot of the iconic elements around this this intersection from the greenery to the to the signage and then
the beginning of the going west uh bound to Florida. We haven't done a lot of landscape development so much or planting but in this view you see where the letter E is there at the pond. We did we we are suggesting the addition of some large
live oaks there to provide shade and you know make the park feel more park-like. This one's a good view, you know, because it does feature, you know, the improved parking arrangement that we came up with for the grocery. And you can see that large island in the middle
where we could put some really large shade trees. And then we have, as I mentioned, a net gain of 10 parking spaces overall. We also have cart storage uh out there in the parking area at either end of the the landscape tree
island. So yeah, this is the north end of the Ohio. Yeah. So again, the future view and the current view. Um on the top right we're standing on a Hawaii looking south. So 9inth street
it's on our right side. So you can see the grocery outlet and then uh the view below that one is facing west. So we can see the Malian's property on the on the right hand side of 9inth on the north side of 9inth and then the grocery outlet on the on the south side of
9inth. So that that's kind of to give the idea the before and after and how the the new signage with the city kind of comes to play. We decided not to put it on all four corners. Um we we put it in pretty much most of the time there is
only one person driving. Uh so really the driver is going to be the ones seeing the signage most of the time anyway. So then it's kind of on the driver's side and still creates that iconic look also because on this side we already have the
city hall of the side streets. Yeah. So, uh, we also came up with, you know, more subdued but some landscape and hardscape treatments for the side streets that connect from Ohio to Florida. Uh,
seventh, yeah, 7th, 8th, and 10th in addition to, you know, the more dramatic changes that you see on 9inth. So again, planting is been limited to uh you know areas where we don't have a
conflict with overhead electric. These are just uh yeah current and future views of of uh the Ohio corridor. Yeah, these are Yep. And I think some of these things are probably want to spend some time
looking at the plans. I guess they'll be available on the website and we have a hard copy here full size. We have a couple of smaller copies that you're welcome to take the smaller copies with you. This one is the example of the parking
lot for the grocery outlet where you know we managed to get more um parking and also more landscaping. So I mean I would say it's it's a win-win on all sides. It creates better um use of the space
and and efficient parking too. And these are uh images that sort of highlight the materials we're talking about using. As I mentioned, instead of, you know, honing in on a single street tree for Florida Avenue, uh we've got a
variety. So, there's still some, you know, refinement and selections to be made, you know, out of the choices that we've offered here in our plans and the concept plans. on the trees. Uh picking back on what Joe said, probably what's going to wind
up is when the final plans are done and everything's all the selections are made, we'll probably actually go out in the field and tag each one of these. So, you know, they're all going to be beautiful trees. Yeah. Sorry. Now, these are some great aerial
views that uh kind of give you the the big picture all in one shot, like a drone shot or something. Guys, think questions. Um, are we talking car or pedestrian along Florida
Avenue? Both. Where did the pedestrian comes in? What what area of Florida is pedestrian? You know, we more than doubled. That's correct. What we've done is we've reduced the width of the travel lanes and at the same time we've added
parallel parking. And what the reduced width of the travel lane does is it allows more room for the parking, but it also tends to slow people down. It's it's a technique that's known as traffic calming. So that's part of the concept
uh is to slow the vehicular traffic down. Now, we can't really slow the traffic down on Ohio, nor have we attempted to do that. Uh, that's going to be free flowing, but um I I think
that the traffic on Florida tends to move slowly. It's a residential neighborhood. Uh, and so we don't think we've done anything to to make it uh less appealing in terms of free flowing traffic. It's just we've made it much
more safe and appealing in terms of pedestrian movement and the emphasis is on that. Just to add on, I I think Joe and his team applied a a light road diet to Florida Avenue by adding all this landscaping. You're you're basically
you're narrowing the travel lanes a little bit which makes the traffic slow down. So overall this in this category I challenged we challenged them to make Florida Avenue more pedestrian friendly more
inclusive and less vehicular friendly because we want people to slow down on Florida Avenue. We want them to spend some more time and money on Florida Avenue. Question number two and then I'm going to pass it on to the next one. Many we'll come back. We'll come back.
Have you spoken to the business owners or the land owners that may be affected by all this? Yes, we have we have um identified the businesses that will have um a direct impact on the parking layout
um and we had some individual meetings with them. Uh please keep in mind that the majority of this project is actually within the existing right of way. So we're not going on private property and building anything. All of these
improvements, the landscaping um except the grocery outlet parking lot um former Mullen Pharmacy, that's the only exception, but the rest is all within the existing rideway. It was just another building added to
the right next to it as an idea. We're not talking to architecture on this plants. This would not be subject of this this grant is or of this project is not to change anything on the existing building infrastructure.
Yes, ma'am. Behind where I am, where the cafe is, I see a big building there. It's behind Robert's Hall and us there. That'll never work for sure. Um because Robert's Hall is going to need all that back area for parking and nobody would even be
able to get to us. No, we have a building part there. But the idea is just to show density. It's not building plants. I mean the idea is to show the density that is possible and the static impact. The idea behind it is not to build. I
mean, we're not building buildings. We're not designing buildings. We're showing possible growth and how that affects the streetscaping of it. Move it somewhere. It's Yeah. I mean, the building that you're talking about is just as Antonio said, it was to show
potential for future density. I think the architectural illustrations, we didn't actually change the architecture on any buildings. We showed what some new buildings might look like that would be two or three stories along Florida, but there's no uh proposed changes to
buildings. And this is really more about the pedestrian streetscape and planting improvements uh that are supposed to be an incentive for future growth and development, you know, vertical growth, buildings and new businesses and things like that. But this plan doesn't really
propose uh new, you know, architecture or buildings. It's just, you know, we're just showing you what the future state could be like if if if it does work and and creates that sort of incentive for future growth. We have Mr. Lechuk here.
He has a question. No, I think I want to reiterate what what what we're hearing from over here is I think what we need to see as a presentation is not y'all adding all these buildings, but to see what it's going to look like as a stamp today without all of this finery so that
we know what we're getting into today versus what y'all are focused on as a maybe down the road. So, just like we're concerned here about putting a building where we've got parking or structures and stuff like that, if the grant is for
your construction, for your specific design, that's what we should be shown versus you you you're using your own imagination for peripheral. Am I correct, folks? Fair point. Yeah. Yeah. We can we can uh
develop some images as is without any future infill. Um, yeah. I mean, that's that's easy to do. Next question right here. I've got a couple of pretty easy ones. U first, and I suspect I know the answer
is, is there any special accommodation or any planning uh to add to golf cart traffic in this particular area? From a from a multimodal point of view, yes. I mean it's it's possible that it will be part of the city ordinances if
they are going to allow that but the idea is to have multimodal access to you know from from the biking et but there's no specific design parameters to encourage or discourage that kind of traffic. Um second question is there's an alleyway that runs between Florida
and Ohio from 9th down to I believe it's 7th. Um I haven't heard that mentioned. Is there any plan to do anything with it? close it, add to it, beautify, eliminate. Matter of fact, I mean, we're partially using it. We're partially using it right
now for access. So, yes, I mean, we've not developed landscaping for it. So, back alley would also be a possible plan B to relocate utilities from Florida Avenue to the
back alleys. um putting utilities underground is very very expensive and moving it to the back alleys is maybe a more affordable option. Miss Kiki, you may have addressed this at the
beginning and I missed it. The rationale about the elevation of the sidewalk with the street, is that not a safety issue? No, because I mean we'll have ballards to separate the traffic and the parking
from the We'll have ballards to separate the traffic. Ballards. Yes. Okay. Thank you. The um Grocery Outlet parking area, you've talked to them, but what if in the
future they decide not to accept this plan? What's the plan to beautify everything and then have the existing parking area because it is private property and I'm assuming they'd have to
pay for that portion of the construction. Um, no actually the Florida Commerce covers also private property improvements. I mean then we can also find grant money too. Could you repeat that please? Yeah, there there is actually Florida Commerce is actually
doing a lot of improvements in Panama City where they're going in private parking spots and changing parking with uh grant money. So that doesn't have to be necessarily their own money going into the improvements. Um well and still the total funding is
not approved yet for this project, is it? That is correct. Yes. Okay. Um, I'm going to ask uh Bobby to talk about the golf carts for a second. Bobby Baker is our public infrastructure director. Um,
your question was allowing golf carts. Is that what you're Oh, he wanted to know. I mean, it can be. They're already allowed in there. And this is our approved crossing. So, I guess we could work on designating
parking spaces. Is that what you're looking at? Oh, well, they're they're already allowed in there. So, they just we could look at possibly putting smaller parking spaces for Yes, ma'am.
Do you have a timeline for the major milestones in this project? Your best guess? Well, yeah, that's actually a very good question. So, um, depending on I'm assuming that you all will take a couple
of weeks to study this and get all the, you know, comments written down and sent in that kind of thing. we'll be developing some of those new images without the future structures, that sort of thing um that we can then push out
there. Um depending on how long it takes and when the city closes discussion on this session, uh we'll already be starting refining this while we're waiting on comments. uh we'll be
starting some preliminary engineering so that we could start locating light posts and you know a good idea of where all those things will go as well and then we're going to come back to the citizens again with these refinements and new
images that sort of thing I think the golf carts bicycles th those are things that we should you know investigate a little further um you know so this will be another around after this one. Uh,
and hopefully we'll capture everybody's comments, incorporate, you know, the thoughts and concerns, and then after that we'll finalize uh any tweaks from that next session. Uh, and then by then it'll just
be a short time. Morgan, how long do you need? A day? Um it'll take several weeks to finalize the engineering after that. Uh AT&T and Florida Power do not move quickly. Um but besides that, once we get into that
last round of refinement, we have to do all the cost estimating. So we can put some costs to different elements and different phases of this project because that's where the rubber meets the road, right? It's going to
come down to cost. So we'll be doing all that. Um and then in that final refinement, we hope to have those preliminary cost estimates. So probably 3
months. I think I'd like to see the plans being completed before the end of the year and hopefully we can start construction sometime next year. Uh please keep in mind this is a grant. Um the the the funds have been reserved. We
don't know what the construction cost is uh right now the exact construction cost. We have an estimate. So all of this is contingent upon uh construction funding. So, we may be able to start with a phase one, uh, possibly a phase
two depending on how much, um, the contractor will be charging us for the construction. Does that answer your question? I There's another question here from, Commissioner Pebbles. Thanks. Uh, I talked to a few
business owners that couldn't make it tonight. One of the consensus questions was if there's any plans for uh some type of unique signage to give it to like a good aesthetic downtown. Yeah, that's why that's why we started
the first idea was on the back side of the grocery outlet, you know, to create that identity of a policy and then we can, you know, continue without the Brian. Right.
your name. Sam. Sam. Thank you, Sam. That's a good question. So, yes, there should be some direction, at least the guidelines of a concept for signage for streets,
uh particularly uh any, you know, public areas, pocket parks, that kind of thing. uh maybe even some dedication type plaques that the city might want to come forth with. So yes, that's a very good question and it should be in the flavor
and the aesthetic of that period of what Florida Avenue wants to look like, what it wants to be and tie into the existing city uh signage. Thank you. Good question. Okay, I have a question.
Um, was this originally a grant for the beautifification or whatever of Florida Avenue? Yes, that is correct. Okay. Because I'm seeing a lot of stuff on Ohio Avenue. A lot of spending money there that could go over to Florida and Ohio can come in
the future cuz I mean I know it looks beautiful, but grant money is for what the grant money is for. Actually the the thank you for asking that question. The the the grant was very specific when
it comes in terms of location and in the upper left corner you will you actually see the outline of the project area. Let me go I think the the first one. Yeah.
There you go. So, it actually uh it includes some three city blocks on Florida Avenue, four side streets between Florida Avenue and Ohio Avenue, and landscaping and lighting along Ohio Avenue from 7th
Street all the way up to 12th Street. Okay. So that that was the area that was defined um when we wrote this this grant application back in 2020. Okay. And also I'm not confused, but I know the traffic
area on Florida Avenue will be condensed a little bit, but there'll still be two-way traffic, right? Absolutely. Yes. Okay. So two-way traffic, larger sidewalks, more area. Okay. right to I was looking at all the pictures, but right in the center of 9inth and
Florida, how far in a direction other than the parallel parking will there be parking? I was trying to look at the maps. I mean, we kind of stay away about 20 ft from the intersections, if that is what you're asking. I mean, like from from
9th Street down Florida Avenue, where would the next parking lot be or whatever? I know you have parallel parking along the street, but yes, um it's not a concern of yours, but like I own a cafe and other food services will come in there and our average customer
is probably 60. They're not going to want to walk six blocks to eat them till they're 90 though. Well, that would be great. But, you know, I mean, that's that's a long way. So, I mean, it doesn't affect the lighting company or Robert's Hall or it doesn't affect those
people. might affect the um um coffee shop or whatever. But um yeah, but that's why you say part of the plan is also to look into the the future parking. So not just on the line parking on on the street itself, but also creating pocket parking right now right
away where the county uh has the Chuck Purdue's office. So that one to utilize that as an expansion uh parking lot. And then we looked into several other strategic locations of Florida but one block away so that then we have that
dispersed not necessarily on the right away of Florida so that it's still in a very short distance to have access to it. No, we're not. I know the side a lot of our customers park on the side of Grocery Outlet and
that'll all be gone. Yeah, but but they have actually more parking now than they had before. So, I mean eventually if you have an active downtown where a lot of people are using it with a pedestrian mode, you run out of parking spots. But it's a good
problem because that means that now you got a thousand wallets walking around, hopping from shop to shop. That doesn't happen. You know, when they come to you and they park in front of you, they come in, eat a sandwich, and get out. and then nobody else has any business out of that activity. I know rumors get spread
easy, but the um originally we all heard that there was going to be no traffic on Florida Avenue and we're like what? So anyway, that's why we were panicked and wanted to make sure that, you know, somebody didn't have to walk a mile to eat or we're going to have to start a
shovel shuttle service business. You're already developing business. No, I'm just kidding. Uh no. Now the idea is to really multiply the possibility of access to each single storefront. That's truly the core why the
Florida commerce puts this grant out because then you know the beautifification is part of that and but also accessibility it's paramount because then you really start creating a differentiation also in the age of the people that can go shopping. So that's
that's entire idea behind that. I have a question here on this side. Hello. Good evening. I hear you um repeat a couple of times about how people walk with their wallets and how we're anticipating a lot of foot traffic
along Florida Avenue. However, what is the long-term vision? Because we don't have retail on that right now. We just have old buildings. So, it's like putting a pair of Louis Vuitton heels on with a pair of Wrangler jeans. You know, I live in Panama City, so I'm
uh guilty of that crime. But, you know, if you ask Alan Branch, how did he feel 10 years ago? Uh or when we were doing the planning for the marina back a few years ago. Uh you know, uh sometimes David Bowie song Life
on Mars popped in my head back in 2008 living in Panama City and there was nobody. uh you know I could walk on Harrison Avenue whatever day whatever time there was nobody to cross a path um eventually you know it's it's an organic
growth that is the most resilient way to develop and and the pedestrian infrastructure it's works way better I mean since the 1960s we've seen the model effect in the US where you know you have a pike where we just spiking up for five years and eventually it's it's
going to die and struggles to regenerate in itself So creating something that it's bringing diffused u commercial and retail a different scale into an urban setting that has a grid actually makes that entire system a lot more resilient
also to change over time and eventually it takes some champions to actually start you know leading uh the charge too. But on the other side from a planning point of view is very important the city sets the table up. So the infrastructure site, the parking, uh the
storm water retention and all these kind of elements that nobody u wants to see but we all need uh you know I used to have continuously this this argument with the with the engineering director in the city of Panama City that he wanted pawns everywhere and I kept
telling him you know frogs don't have wallets. I really want to make our economy sustainable. I need people walking not frogs and to me parking is strategic to that. uh but but also you know a lot of different things that get into the planning and engineering of the
city and then eventually the table is set. So somebody wants to come and develop because now it's financially you can see the return on investment and even the old buildings at that point are an asset instead of being a liability and that's where you know to me in my
opinion it is important to see okay how does it look when we start actually stacking up is that something that we want to see as far as density and intensity of development and activity also just to answer your question about our long-term vision of economic
development first of All we have to pay close attention to our businesses that are already there. This is the first and foremost thing that those businesses grow. People want to come to that area. They already do. Bring more po people um
down in that area. We're hoping that this will be the poster child as we go after those very uh mom pop businesses. um really targeting some of the businesses um some of the buildings that are vacant right now. Uh that's going to
be one of our focuses as well. And then that entire area um you know 9inth, 8th, 7th Street that we can really sell that as um our our downtown. So that's our vision is to kind of sell that entire
area as our downtown and bring businesses in because people are looking um for very quaint uh small businesses that can grow in areas like ours. I know Victoria Lastbite does very well in that area. Some of the rest of the the
businesses do as well and we want to continue for them to grow and other businesses to grow. And so our other goal too is as people come into Lint Haven, they just don't go past um 9th
Avenue, they actually take the turn and go down Florida Avenue and and so it's going to be a statement that people will know they're inland haven and uh want to do businesses here business here. We do have um a bit a a business that helps us
to identify other businesses that will want to come in this area. So, we do have a long-term goal of developing Florida Avenue. Yes. Absolutely. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Ben is that part-time economic development
person, but my goal is to really have a full-time economic development person who can go after additional businesses. Does anyone remember what Pensacola was like about 12 years ago?
I mean, you could walk downtown, there'd be like tumble weeds blowing around, you know, nobody down there. And and storefronts were falling apart. Nobody wanted to be there, but they invested in a few things like this grant and they
got the ball rolling. And once the ball was rolling, it it's doing an amazing uh service to the community, but also, you know, if you want a good place to go eat, if you want to go, you know, there's entertainment that, you know, so
getting the ball rolling is so such a key. Panama City downtown eight years ago. You remember what that was like? As Antonio said, there is nobody to be seen. And then the talk of doing the
streetscape, people started taking notice and started investing ahead of that and they bought some old buildings and they had plans to redo the fronts. So, you know, 5 years after they started
that, now there's all these new storefronts, businesses, old buildings fixed up. There's all kinds of new shops. And I go down there cuz our our shop is downtown. And Friday night, Saturday, Sunday, I hope I don't have to work
weekends because there's no parking. All on the side streets, all other, you know, it's active. That's what we're trying to help you get here on Florida Avenue and it will work because it's proven over and over again. We're talking about Pensacola.
Um what Joe was saying is absolutely correct, but I'll tell you some other things that have happened. We now have a AAA professional baseball team. weren't even planning on that, but the things we're doing down there, it attracted that. Also, because the new businesses are coming in, the new tax base, you
should see some of the parks we're building over there. Even the little pocket parks to this big new waterfront park they just built on Johnson Beach, which is just down from the, you know, the Wahoo Stadium, which is our baseball team, short walk from downtown. And uh if you go through Pensacola, you'll just see little parks pop popping up popping
up all over the place cuz the money's coming in because the people came in. So, you just just start small and it grows. And to answer your question over there about, well, there's, you know, you've got all this beautiful stuff, but there's not really a whole lot of retail up and down there. Well, I think what
we're doing is we're holding out the carrot, and the rabbit is the retail. That's basically the way we kind of look at it over there. And it works. Rabbits like carrots. So, we have a question over here. Thank Thank y'all. um when
the buildings when we build what about water runoff when you are we considering that is that going to be an issue? Yeah. Yes, it is an issue. But that's why we plan ahead and that's why to me it's important to actually Martin's job. But we're going to we're going to look at
exfiltration under the sidewalks for example, you know, where we have linear systems underneath the pavers where you you do the attenuation and the treatment and there'll be a lot of innovation uh instead of you know creating impoundments which has been the
traditional way of you know engineering storm water in the past. So I mean we'll have to to place them around the development. I think they will be there. They would not be quite as visible. I mean because they will be integrated into other systems. I mean
the idea that oh it's we want ease of access. So a pond smack in the middle of Florida Avenue doesn't do us any good. It doesn't produce any revenue. It's just a cost in addition to to the system. So that that's where the parking it's a very important aspect of it
because we need access we need a storage we can actually you know on just like Patrick was saying underneath the parking so that one becomes part of a we have to have an outlook into what is going to be the intensity of the development what is going to be the surface uh ratios that that we're trying
to to get into because then impervious becomes an issue as you all know we already have issues so we want to make sure that By developing we actually make things better. So right now we're not planning to impact impervious surface that much but
what we're doing it's the same rightaway. It's the same area. It's just reconfigured. Right. But we've been talking with uh the city about eventually as that ball gets rolling, you know, we need the infrastructure as
they were saying to convey that water to a point where then we might treat it. So, for example, the city may buy a lot down at both ends of Florida Avenue where we can use gravity to get that
storm water to, but exfiltrate it as Patrick said, and let the surface be a usable park type thing. So, yes, whoever asked that question, it was a good question and yes, it has to be planned for. Um but right now we're not really
increasing uh that impervious surface with the streetscape. Yeah. But it's important to plan for the future because you see from I'm going to play another head. I'm a developer. I got a half a million dollar and I'm thinking I'm going to start a business on Florida Avenue. I I got to
go and hire a civil engineer. I got to hire the architect. I got to come up with conceptual plans. I spent several thousand dollars in into planning something that um may not work right where all of the sudden I start getting into my uh floor to air
ratio area ratios. I mean I I start getting into the complexity of planning and and I'm now out several thousand dollar and that's that's where unfortunately some cases private developments make it easier for a developer to to know that everything is
already accounted for. They have a form based code. You go there boom and you know immediately what you can build. But how that happens? Well because they handle everything on the infrastructure side. So every single lot is shower ready. And to me, it's very important
for cities in especially in older neighborhoods uh to be as competitive as the private sector to start anticipating what the developer wants because then the carrot really comes to play. They want to come because you you have one
strong thing that they cannot build it history and at that point you know to me there are two things that really we money cannot buy the history and the landscaping. That's why it's very important to get the landscaping established because you cannot fake old
mature landscaping and you have a city that has a 100 plus years of history and by setting the landscaping now you really become a very attractive asset for any person portfolio to say yeah I want to have some real estate on Florida
Avenue that's my personal one more comment or two about your question on storm water because it's very important and it is something that you know there's been a lot of changes in the in the past 20 years in the way we handle storm water and one of the things that's
built into our design is the use of the concrete paver systems. You know the the pavers that we're proposing for the parallel parking that's those are pvious pavers. So you you can create the exfiltration the infiltration through
the paver into the chamber beneath that and that's where the storm water gets attenuated which is stored temporarily and then treated. The same thing is true of the sidewalks. We can use a pvious paver for all of the sidewalks. Now,
it's not 100% pvious, but by taking away paving in the parking area, for example, at the grocery store, which was not on the private lot, but actually in the ride ofway, we're we're we're probably going to have a net reduction in total
impervious area, which is a great place to start for Martin. and you know it's he's got a lot of numbers to crunch but you know we work closely because we want you know we have to work as a team and you know we've been thinking about that
and I'm glad you brought that up. We have one more question over here. Two actually. Uh let's stay on the um subject of pavers. On the map here, you had a paving section in the center of 77
at 9inth Street. Is that correct? Are pavers being used there? It was outlined here in a different color. Yeah. What we propose there is a different system though because the DOT won't allow us to use the concrete unit pavers. So it's a
it's a textured and colored asphalt system that is approved by DOT. Now it's not pvious. It's it's you know very very durable because it has to be because it's a DOT highway. I'm glad you mentioned that because a couple years
ago when we sunk money into the intersection of 9inth and Florida where there is a paving design, we were to we wanted to put it in 77 and 9inth Street and we were told not to by the FOT
because it didn't wear well. That's right. So, you're using a different um substance there. That's correct. We're using a DOT approved colored textured asphalt paving system. You're welcome. And next question is for you, Ben. What
was the amount of the grant? $4.3 million. Yes. Yes, sir. Uh, thank you. Um, I had to tell the storm water man at Michigan Avenue is underwater and the kids are surfing
on it. Um, years ago this was tried and in reference to what the young lady said there. You are correct. She is correct. But it was not just one location, not two, it was four. And DOT
did not disapprove it. City of Linhaven shut it down. because then the Haven could not support future maintenance on that. Then Haymon did it. As I said, all this stuff has been tried before onto those
pavers. Then you forget this is Florida Avenue and built 11 street 11 1911. That cement out there is 1922 the original road. It is the widest street
in Linhaven purposely because it was the only street that went from Linhaven to Panama City beside the railway. Ohio Avenue was dirt. Everything went down Florida Avenue. You're only doing a small
section. You're painting lipstick on the pig with your designs here. You're having those buildings that are there and privately owned coated with paint architectural changes and you're presenting that as part of your picture.
That's a false statement. Those buildings are privately owned. Florida Avenue, all the buildings are there are privately owned. None are owned by the city.
Example, after the hurricane, every city building was either damaged severely or destroyed. There are none left on the other side of Ohio Avenue. The only ones that are left that are rolled are on this
side. I have a question because also I would like clarification on the telling you that this has been tried before. CRA took care of it. Main Street took care of it and it was all Main Street disappeared and was dissolved. CRA
couldn't keep up with it. And it when you put down plants like this, you learn a lesson. The question is this. It was mentioned irrigation. If you don't put irrigation in here, those plants are dying. Most of the plants out there are taken care of by the garden club.
They've been replaced. The trees have been replaced. Trees died. Didn't have irrigation. My question is this. It's more of a form. I'm telling you, this has been tried before. It failed. You're going to
send bad good money after bad money. You don't have it approved. And this doesn't sound right. It just doesn't sound right. Uh I would suggest that you allow people to come to meetings again like today advertise that
you're having meetings and get the input that they've got that they had at the first meeting which I attended and we gave you the input. Nobody listened. The second one nobody listened. The third one we weren't even invited. Only the
business people were invited. If you think you're going to increase the businesses on Florida Avenue, no, you won't. This pass through city, you pass through on
77. He don't stop here. Don't stop. Apparently, you just stopped. Okay. Got a question over here, Ben. Yes, sir. Yes. Yes, it is. Yes, sir. From the state. State of Florida. From the state of Florida. So,
Len Haven is not paying for it. It's a grant. I mean, in percentage, small percent. Yes. The grant is 100% funded through the state. Okay. All right. So, we've got to use the money. Correct. Because it's a grant. Yeah. Okay. Otherwise, goes back. Wrap it up.
Okay. As a side note, I sure hope you buy flowers every now and then. They die though. Joe, I think Joe, I think we can go ahead and wrap it up. I think we answered all the questions. You want to say a few final words?
I would like for you to please put a few of the things in writing that you feel weren't addressed because we'd like to look at that again. Um, you know, this this is for the whole community and we
want to make sure that these ideas are sound. Uh, right now we feel we're in the right direction, you know. Yeah. Okay, we put some fake buildings in there. Sorry, we'll take some out. Um, so you can see it, but it doesn't change
the idea, the concept, the goal. And I do think it is good for the city of Lun Haven. I do think it is good for Florida Avenue. It's that beginning step that we've seen over and over to promote
sustainable growth. And it may be a pass through city or have been. A lot of people live here. I have a lot of friends that live here and they love the city and they would like to spend more time here than having to go somewhere else. So, I think it's worth a shot.
Let's use the state's money and do the best we can. But please send us those because I don't want to overlook something that may have been said that we should put in the mix. So, thank you
all very much. We appreciate you.