meeting to order at 900 a.m. At this time, we'll have Mr. Ross Clemens from um Linhaven Methodist Church to lead us in our invocation and pledge of allegiance. If you please bow your heads. Heavenly Father, we thank you deeply for
the freedom to come together as a community and govern ourselves. We thank you for everyone who's in this room, concerned citizens, staff, elected officials. ask that you be with us all as we turn to you for guidance to seek
your way forward. We ask that you fill each of us with the fruit of the spirit so that we can work patiently with one another to determine that path. And it's in the mighty name of our savior Jesus Christ that we pray. Amen. To the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Before public commentary, we have um a note from Mr. Lightfoot regarding a item
we need to consider adding to the agenda. Yes, Mayor. would like to add a possible discussion and approval of a letter of engagement with a law firm to help the city with the fire department unionization efforts. All right. Are there any guess questions
for Mr. Lightfoot in regards to adding that to the agenda? Right. Is there a motion for that? I didn't hear. I'm sorry. It is a possible letter of engagement from a law firm to discuss the union efforts of the fire department to assist the city.
I've got no pro. Do we have to do a motion or I'll make the motion to add that to the agenda? I'll second it. All right. Any public commentary? Okay. If you'll call the vote. Commissioner Pero? Yes. Commissioner Ward? Yes.
Commissioner Tinder? Yes. Commissioner Peebles? Yes. Mayor Nelson? Yes. Motion passed. This time we have our public commentary. Uh Mr. George Hines. Morning, commissioner, mayor, city manager,
George 60 on 33 Road Avenue. The agenda I just looked at has about the audit Miss Tender wanted. She want she wanted I'm in the mic. It ain't my fault. Turn your hearing aid up. You'd be better. Anyway, Judy asked for a audit
before she left and when she came back, she wanted to have an audit. If something wrong in the finances, it was during the time she was here and the time she returned. All the on board that was people's only one wasn't in. So, if the budget's bad, it's been bad. If it's been bad, don't pass the blame because
you was here when it went bad. That's all I got. Thank you. Right, Alvin Peters. Good morning, mayor and commissioners. I'm Alvin Peters of Peters and Skoon, 25 East 8 Street. I'm proud to represent my
friend and your former city manager, Vicky Gainor. Uh your rush to judgment in terminating her was abrupt, severe, and discriminatory. Your actions exposed the city to potential liability, and this matter is not going away quietly.
Until recently, Linhaven enjoyed a reputation as a welcoming city with a history of helping to build a strong middle class, both black and white. I think of black people who prospered in Linhaven like March Green, Leon Miller, Sharon Sheffield, Doc Smith, and Vera
Champlain. Now, however, the city's reputation as a fair-minded place is fraying if not in tatters. In the legal world, to prove a case of discrimination, we look to similarly situated persons. Here we have the
recent treatment of your former city manager, Michael White. He was arrested for aggravated assault with a firearm, threatening his wife with a gun. In the minutes of March 17th, 2019, this city commission suspended Mr. White
indefinitely with pay pending the completion of an investigation. Even though Mr. Gainor and Mr. White were subject to similar employment contracts, Mr. White was allowed to resign. He was allowed to craft his own
severance package. He was afforded the benefit of an objective third-party investigation by the Bay County Sheriff's Office. And importantly, this city commission, including you, Miss Tinder, suspended him indefinitely with
pay. In contrast, on Friday, Jan July 11th, commissioners received a deposition from a witness in a civil case set in a special meeting for Monday, July 14th, attempted to fire Miss Gainor on Monday, and even though
that was not on the agenda, a per you all performed a peruncter two or three witness interview on Wednesday and then reasserted uh your inclination to terminate her on Friday. All within a week. There was no indefinite suspension
with pay. There was no investigation by an objective third party in some. Miss Gainor was summarily fired in a rush to judgment with no meaningful objective investigation and Michael White was
treated much better. Why? Thank you. to see your skin. Good morning. My name is Cecilele Skoon, Peterson Skoon Law Firm, 25 East 8th Street, Panama City, Florida.
I have several points to make. Miss Gainner was never even given notice that discussion of her employment or termination was going to occur on Monday, 14 July. It was out of the blue. The only thing on the agenda was
discussion of a CA a civil case involving one of the biders. She had no preparation, no due process. At that meeting, commissioners indicated they wanted to terminate her on the spot. What does that mean? That means
that any later interviews were a nullity. You'd already made up your mind. You'd already made up your mind. We want to get rid of this lady right away in the And you did so and you took actions to do so against the advice of
your council who said, "Let the process play out. Let an independent investigation occur." That did not happen. And why? Miss Gainner, you thought had done something to the bidding process to prevent a particular
person from being able to bid. There could be the evidence shows that could be no further from the truth. The two amendments that Miss Gainor was recommended to make and that she did make benefited the city by cutting out
subs. When you have one contractor do 75 to 100% of the work, every time you have a sub, they need their profit margin. It just gets more expensive. The same thing with having the the contractor have a paving machine. You get rid of subs.
That literally benefited the city and Miss Gainor was advised to put those changes. Furthermore, everybody was treated the same. Nobody got beneficial treatment. Everybody could bid, including the person who had
the lowest bid before could have bid again. There was no direct effort to harm anyone. And despite that fact, there was that rush to judgment and the difference in treatment. Mr. White was actually arrested for a criminal offense
where someone could have died and got such great treatment. Miss Gainor was taking care of city business, acting on the advice of her staff, and she was railroaded out. What is the difference?
Mr. White is a white male, and Miss Gainner is a black female. What we see before us is the definition of a case of disperate treatment based on protected classes. Thank you
Christie Mroy. Wasn't sure exactly if I was even going to speak today. I'm glad that a lot of this is happening publicly. I always believe that there are two sides to every story and so you have to view
things from both sides. I want to just address one thing. Tommy Ford taking to his personal Facebook page and posting about a recall
that is a legal process. We are talking about the sheriff of Bay County, man that has a lot of power. Even though he takes to his personal page, and I'm not on Facebook, but a lot of
those comments were sent to me. He was still referred to as the sheriff. Many people have asked for the sheriff's help in personal situations. Again,
I'm glad some of this is playing out today. I'm glad the attorneys are here. We have a responsibility as citizens and as taxpayers to make sure that we exercise our rights, our legal rights,
and that we petition our government. So, I know this may be another painful chapter for the city of Linhaven. and also for the panhandle. But everyone that has power needs to
exercise their power carefully and not cause a chilling effect. Thank you, Tony. Bastic. Good morning, Mayor Commissioner. You guys fired Miss Vicky Gainer, a
black woman, which put Jennifer Hodes, a white woman, in position. Then commissioners Perno Peebles and Warick removed her and put in Chris Lightfoot. So in less than a week, you removed two women from the city manager position.
Now this seems kind of like the commission may not only be racist but biased against women in leadership. Commission, can you expect Mr. Lightfoot to do the right thing? He was named as one of the employees in the room with Bobby Baker, Chris Forehand, Vicky
Gainor, and CJ, which also means Lightfoot was complicit with Chris Forehand's changes for the bid proposals. If Lightfoot thought something was illegal or unethical, why didn't he report it? Doesn't he have a legal or moral obligation to do that?
So, if he didn't tell the commission or somebody that something illegal or unethical was being done, it means one of two things. Number one, Mr. Lightfoot doesn't believe anything was unethical or illegal. Therefore, he didn't report it. For number two, he can't be trusted
because he didn't report it if he thought it was wrong. Either way, he can't be trusted. Can you trust him to do the right thing or tell the truth? Additionally, the leak in city hall here happened on Mr. Lightfoot's watch. Vicky Gainer wanted Co Pepper to finish the
punch list, but Mr. Lightfoot got with the boys at the county and said they get you guys could get a certificate of occupancy in less than two weeks. If he can't handle the storm water flooding in the city, how do you expect him to handle the flooding in city hall? The storm of lawsuits coming. This is not
looking good. Also, what is Mr. Light foot going to do about the employee that uh didn't uh redact Miss Gainner's personal information from a public records request to Judy Tinder.
That is unexcusable. So what are you guys going to do about it? Dirt is dirt no matter where it's rolled, whether it's under the carpet or left in the floor. Thank you. Rich Walker
good morning. Um, normally uh I'm I'm accused of being a um soothsayer and negative negative. Uh you've got to understand the citizens come up here, six or seven of them consistently.
I've been to these meetings over 20 years and we bring up ideas. We notice that you do not take notes. You do not answer any of the questions and you've been told that let the people just say there three minutes they're
blowing smoke and that's it. I think you better change your attitude. We're not blowing smoke. We're up here trying to help this city. and you take a negative attitude towards people
predecessors here. You've got ahead of you the budget which you didn't finish. You got the comp plan. You've got the charter to review. You should cancel that whole charter group and start all over again. You've got the CRA coming up on its sunset. You've got to get rid of
it and you should get rid of it. You've got a debt of $31 million. You owe CO Peppa 18.1. You do not have a CO you think you do on this building because they haven't finished.
CO Pepper has to finish it and tell the city they finished the permit. Hasn't been done. So what I'm saying here is pay attention to what you've got coming. You were told that you're solvent in the budget
conference ad. If I was a solvent in my house and running my office when I was working for the government, I would be fired. You're $31 million in debt. You owe $18.1 million to CO Peppa.
That to me, you're solvent. Yeah, you balance the budget. You're solvent. But in my house, that wouldn't go. I don't owe anything. I don't owe anything to anybody. I don't have a debt. I don't have any debts that I have
to pay. I planned it that way. We are not planning it that way. Please pay attention to what the citizens are saying to you. They're trying to help. Don't get mad at them.
Don't accuse them of things. Help them help you. Thank you. Have a good evening. even though it's raining. There's no public commentary. Good morning, Jerry Parker. Replace. I
want to remind everyone that Florida is an atwill state. She could have been fired for any reason. So, all the other information is totally irrelevant. She could have been fired for any reason whatsoever. That's number one. Number two,
um, Robert's rule states that we have a right for rebuttal. So, mayor, I'm stating when you rebut us and say that we have not given correct information, we would like to be able to come up and to rebut your commentary.
That's another thing. We're still under so much chaos in this building. So many people. And yes, Mayor, we are trying to recall you. Yes, there were two things that
were done that weren't the dates were incorrect. Okay. But we're going to go forward with it. We're going to go forward with the recall as noted. Thank you.
additional public commentary. All right, moving on to our reports. Uh, Commissioner Peebles. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, thanks for everyone coming out. Um, just wanted to let everyone know that fall ball's starting again. Uh,
it's been a lot of fun so far. I did get a a fun um report on how Linhaven does a really good job at volleyball. Uh so that just want to give some props there. Uh I've heard some great things from volleyball and I might be able I might be registering my children in the
future. Uh that being said, um I I've met with a lot of people this p these past few weeks and so thank you to everyone that met with me. Um, and thank you staff for being here when we had our meetings and um and thanks to everyone
that took care of the the leak and and got us out the door properly and everything. Uh, so just thanks to all the staff and everybody. And that's my report. All right, Commissioner Poto. Thank you, Mayor. Um, I have um I have
nothing to report. I think we're we're putting everything out in public about about things and we're moving forward. Um I would like to thank all the city employees and department heads um in in in this time and uh all of the people
who come to the meetings and care enough to give us your opinions and how you feel about our city. And I'd like to thank all of our first responders, our police and fire, and our dispatchers. Commissioner Ward.
Uh yes. So, um I have the privilege of being an officer with the Bay County League of Cities. In case you don't know what that is, it kind of stems off Florida League of Cities. And uh we had a dinner last night and we had a phenomenal speaker from um the secretary
of FDOT um Jared Purdue and he gave us a lot of great information and kind of gave me a a new perspective on what they do and um just wanted to share some information with you that you may or may not find uh interesting. But um they
currently have 10,5 over 10,500 active contracts are valued over $21 billion. Every day on average they spend about $45 million on infrastructure. And they've had the most mega projects in FDOT history. So a mega project is
anything over $500 million. And they have the 16th largest economy in the world. Just to give you an idea how much infrastructure goes on in Florida. We all know Florida is always growing and they have to keep up with that with infrastructure
and uh they currently uh rank uh number one in economy. For this current budget fiscal year, they got a budget of $15.1 billion. So every dollar that they uh they expend, they expect to yield an average
of $4.26 in economic benefits. So, um, he gave us a lot of information like that and then opened it up, uh, for Q&A. And he talked about the DuPont bridge and, um, that's expected to be finished in 2031. Uh, someone had asked about
what about the old bridge that's going to be torn down. Um, and, uh, for the next 5 years, they expecting have uh, spend 66.1 billion. out of that 66.1 billion, 77% be state
funded and 23% would be federal funded. And then he kind of gave us a perspective on the legislative process. Um so for this last session, which went longer than normal, um they had almost 2,000 bills that they filed and out of
those 2,000 bills, 269 of them were passed. So that was about, you know, a pass rate of 13%. So that's kind of the the struggles they go through sometimes. And um it was just a lot of great information. Um another thing they
talked about was rural roads trying to widen them. And example he uh used was like State Route 20 that kind of goes towards um Eglund Air Force Base area. And uh anybody's been down that road and knows that can be pretty treacherous trying to get around construction
vehicles and that. So, they're looking at ways of trying to widen them in certain areas so that they can pass and and uh be a lot more safe. But, um it was a lot of great conversation, a lot of great information. Gave me a new perspective on uh what FDOT does. Uh I
know a lot of times we just kind of concentrate on here. Why don't they do this and why don't do that? But when you kind of see the big picture of things, you kind of understand why they do what they do. And uh at the end, it was interesting. I I shook his hand, thanked him for the great presentation, and uh
his his parents happened to be there who were obviously very proud of him. And we were talking to his mom and uh she was talking about some problems that she has in her area with construction and we're all just kind of huddling in going, well, who's responsible for that? And we're kind of wondering if it was a
Panama City, Linhaven, uh to kind of see who you're going to call out. And uh come to find out I was in a different county and we were like, "Well, yeah, you're probably going to have to count contact the county for that." And she go, "No, it's an FD FOT project." So she totally called out her son on the on the
whole thing. And uh I kind of looked at him and I was like, "What? You're not going to take care of her?" And she's like, "Nope, she doesn't he doesn't do any special favors for anybody, including me." So uh it was a great time, a lot of great information. And uh I I got the slides. I'll I'll publish them on my Facebook page if anybody's
interested. Um but yeah, it was a it was a great evening and a lot of great information. But um the only other thing I had was uh the budget workshop. Do we know when we're going to finish that up? Yes, sir. That is something I wanted to bring up in my report of some possible dates. All right. All right. That's all I have.
Thank you, Commissioner Tinder. Thank you, Mayor. Um, I would particularly like to focus on our directors and the people who guide
everyone as far as doing their job. I know especially with the leak and all of that, it's been a nightmare uh for them to watch where their people are and help them be able to function at their max and everything else. So, my thank yous
go out to them. Uh, as I have said before, I'm really focusing on staff and employees this this year. I I'm coming in I'd like to see a lot of things put in place um to
protect our employees to um just to magnify what they really do and to make sure that everybody is being treated fairly. And uh that's a big deal to me and I will stay stay on it like a
dog with a bone. Anyway, um I I'm going to be on the agenda in a little bit, so I'll wait and talk about that then. Uh so that's my report. Mayor. All right, Mayor, if I may. Um,
Commissioner Warick's report, um, jogged my memory and, uh, I do believe we have a vacancy on the TPO. Um, there's only one of us serving on the TPO right now. That would be me. So, I'd like a partner
at the meetings. So, if one of you here would like to volunteer to be on the TPO, that would be that would fulfill our our um our obligations. Um so, we're we're we're one short since the since
the election cuz it was myself and uh Commissioner Vandergri. So, just putting that out there. Any takers? Let me let me um think about it. And uh for me anyways,
the TPO is great. I mean, and you you stimulated a lot of what the TPO does here in our, you know, cuz we just don't talk about Linhaven at the TPO. We it encompasses everything in the area in the region.
Pat, I'll think about it too down the road a little bit. If somebody doesn't volunteer, we'll draft someone. It's volunteer. Yeah. So, we'll we'll do that. Um, thanks for for bringing that up. U Mr.
Lightfoot. Thank you, mayor. Yes. A couple of things today. Um, first, uh, city hall CEO. So, we do have a temporary CO. Though there has been a lot of discussion about this building, there was a temporary CO issued by the former
building official in October of 2023. I discussed with him some language that is on that CO. There is no expiration date though typically a temporary CO can expire within 30, 60, 90 or 180 days. It is at the discretion of that building official. So when he issued the paper
and we have the hard copy, there is no expiration date written on it. We are still moving forward with the um pre-action system and the BDA system uh repairs that needed to be done. They are working on those today. Hence the announcement about the alarm that
potentially could go off today. Um as long as everything goes smoothly with that install, we will do the test tomorrow and then again we will submit to the county for final inspection. All the other inspections have passed, including the plumbing inspection, even
though we had a leak on the building Friday. Little bit about the leak. As some of you remember, on Friday, we had a emergency exit hastily. Um, we had an inch and a half copper line that separated from the joint. Um, we were
able to cut the water off. Surfro has commended staff from facilities to police to public works and the the speed that they acted in clearing up the water. Um, I think we had every staff member available here at the building. Um, they said they really helped save as
much as they could. Um, squeegees and towels and paper towels and shirts and everything they could to stop up the water. So, Serpro is really pleased with the the amount that of water that staff was able to to dry up as well as what has been dried up from Friday to today.
Uh, we will be doing a little bit of demo in some areas that are still showing very wet. We will remove that sheetrock, get those areas dried out, and then we will work with the contractor on any restoration we need. Um, and a little bit of clarity, we do
not owe Co Pepper $18 something million. As we discussed Friday, we have an outstanding balance of about $315,000. So, um, back in December, you all approved a task order with Dubberry for surveying the Westside, uh, area for additional
outfalls. We've received those surveys back. Um they've presented a couple different options to the city for construction as well as some property acquisition for some stormwater ponds. Uh we'll be bringing that to the commission in the coming months to look at and potentially add to the budget of fiscal year 27.
Um the Illinois Avenue is wrapping up. Um going to do a walkthrough on that Friday. We'll have a punch list for the contractor and that sidewalk will be opened up. the two CDBG projects that you all approved um last month, we held the precon on that. The notice to proceed for the Minnesota Avenue
sidewalk is August 11th and the West 10th Street utility project was the notice to proceed was August 4th. However, you won't see any work really start on that one for the next month or two while they get everything ready. Um we do have a new planning director that we mentioned uh will be starting
after Labor Day. We have a new IT director starting August 20 20th or IT manager, I'm sorry. Um, we did get a notification from FWC to draw down Davis Lake. We will do that the first week of November and we'll bring that back before the commission just to notify the
public and we'll send out notifications to those residents as well. That gets done every was it four or five years? Yes, sir. The last time it was 2021 that this was done. Um, so it'll go from November to March. Um, again, shout out to Haney. If you saw, they were ranked
in the top technical schools by USA Today. And then our very own Haley Henderson. She won the uh regional MLB pitch, hit, and run, and she'll now advance to the championship. Um, that will coincide with the World Series, um, believe in October. So, shout out to her
hard work, and we'll be rooting for her here in L Haven. Um, and then just wanted to to discuss finishing the budget meeting. um potentially could do it after the pre-commission meeting um the next Friday that we have one or if you all would like to schedule another
day. Just kind of up for discussion. I'm I'm good with that. If rest of you are I think that works. I'm fine with that. We just plan on after the the pre-commission meeting, we'll just continue on like we did and pick up where we left off and then if you all had any questions or statements
from what we did complete last Friday, we can kind of go back to those as well. Sounds good. Right. And then the war or checklist from Miss Roman. Um first of all, let me tell you that I will update the budget document between
now and your next meeting on the 22nd. So those numbers may change a bit. I'm hoping to have revenue numbers from the state. I will update those if those are available. If I have additional input from the interim city manager also also include that. So I'll try and get that
document to you as quickly as possible. I don't anticipate major changes, but there will be some changes. Um Carol, could you put my screen up, please? Commissioner Pero asked me um a question I was unable to answer on Friday. I have
that information in front of you now. We went through many many many numbers on Friday. And I had said that I don't ever want to look at one singular number, but if I had to, this would be it. Um I don't want to rehash what we did on
Friday, but I'm not being ready on Friday. These are the unassigned fund balances per the audit for the last four years. And as you can see, we're headed in the right direction. So again, the city is
solvent. We are fulfilling all of our obligations. I want to make sure that we're all clear on that. you have any questions with regard to this information. I'm also um going to be developing some reports for you that we you haven't seen
in the past. I would ask you if there's anything specific that you would like to see, please send me an email and I'll develop those for you. I'm also going to be asking the finance review committee on the 27th for their recommendations of what they think would be helpful to you on a monthly basis. So, please, if
there's anything specific that you're curious about, just send me an email and uh the finance department will work on those for you. I can answer any questions you have about the checklist. I just one quick one. When did you say you're going to uh create the finance
committee? You just said the next scheduled meeting of the finance review committee is Wednesday the 27th of August at 8:00 a.m. Thank you.
Thank you. Can take that down now. Mayor, one more thing as well. We are also applying for a FEMA port security grant to replace our fireboat. Um it is due in the next few days. So, our grant writer, River Jordan, is working on us
completing that application. Uh, hopefully we will hear good news from that and we will bring that back to you for acceptance and a grant resolution if we are awarded. All right. Any questions for Mr. Lightfoot? All right. Uh, city attorney,
I have no report. Do we have any updates on any pending litigation? Uh the the lawsuit brought by Gordon and Associates against the city was dismissed by Judge Hinkle in federal court yesterday. It was dismissed without prejudice. So it is likely that
he will file again in state court um in accordance with his contract that requires venue in Bay County. Um depositions for uh Mr. Lightfoot and Mr. Baker. Um Mr. Lightfoots have been set. Mr. bakers are in the process of being
set for uh late September. Um and that's that's the only report I have on that is do you have any questions spec about specific litigation? No, that's it. Mayor, may I just ask one quick
question? Um now when I read and I'm when reading all that legal jargon and it's 20 pages long. Um correct me if I'm wrong. I was under the impression that the part of the Michael Gordon
um papers they were dismissing Bill the the police officer I always say his name wrong. Mlendon they were they were eliminating that because that was like the last paragraph. Is that
I believe the entire suit has been dismissed because it was filed in the wrong venue. It was filed where? In the wrong venue. is filed in federal court and it should have been filed in state court. Okay. But you you assume they're just going to refile it then? I do. Thank you.
All right. Any other questions for the city attorney? Senate agenda approval of minutes 71825. Approval of minutes 72225. Approval to accept the donation of a 98 Spartan bookmobile from Chesterfield
Rotary Club and authorized staff to auction this off uh for the proceeds to go to the animal shelter. Is there a motion to approve consent agenda? Motion to approve. Second. All right, Mr. Light, if you call the role. Commissioner Ward. Yes.
Commissioner Perno. Yes. Commissioner Tinder. Yes. Commissioner Peeles. Yes. Mayor Nelson, yes. Motion passed. Um, old business, final reading of ordinance 1182 relating
to amending the ODC to clarify the front yard parking standards for recreational vehicles on residential properties. Uh, Miss Lightoot, if you'll read that by title only, please. An ordinance of the city commission of Linhaven, Florida, amending the unified
land development code to clarify the front yard parking standards for recreational vehicles on residential property, repealing all ordinances in conflict here with providing for codification and providing for an effective date. Right. Uh any input, city attorney?
I will remind you that u Mr. Peoples did recommend at the Friday workshop that the phrase on public property uh be added to the end of the phrase that reads so long as not blocking a public sidewalk on public property. I didn't make that change to the ordinance. So
that is still available for you to consider and discuss before you adopt. Right. I I definitely think it needs to be added as he was talking about the other day. It is it is added.
Do we have to vote on that? If you if you want to add that that phrase, I would recommend that you make a motion to approve this ordinance with that amendment. Okay. Thank you. Motion to approve the ordinance with the
amendment. Second. All right. Discussion from the public. All right. Any further discussion from the commission? All right, Miss Lightoot, if you call the role. Commissioner Pero, yes. Commissioner War, yes.
Commissioner Tinder, yes. Commissioner Peebles, yes. Mayor Nelson, yes. Motion passed. Uh, new business discussing discussion and possible approval of emergency repair of lift station 47, Marshall Brothers. Mr. Lightfoot.
Yes, sir. This lift station is at the foot of the Bailey Bridge. uh staff had budgeted to put funds in fiscal year 26 proposed budget for this repair. Unfortunately, the riser pipe did blow apart. So, we are down to one one side of the lift station. Uh staff reached out to three different companies and
received quotes. Marshall Brothers is the lowest bidder. We will still anticipate putting funds in the fiscal year 26 budget to replace the pumps and panels. This project will just replace the piping. All right. Any questions about that?
Motion to approve. Second. All right. Discussion from the public. Yes, sir. Come on down. Question. U. The finance committee met a while back a long time ago when it
wasn't called finance committee and they were given information on a project five-year project by the finance office uh saying that they could pay off the debt and everything and be ready for things within five years unless we went
into emergency situations. Um, since then, um, I believe we've had three emergency problems which impact the budget, were never in the budget, and now you're voting on one other. Is this, and you're
calling it an emergency? So, is this added to the list of emergency things that we've had that are tenatively affecting our sewer plant? um within the criteria of what the finance committee said and agreed on that uh there would
be no emergencies. We couldn't handle them. Is this one of them? And there's two others that went before. The centuge is one and the program that we've got with the centuge is another. Um, were these ever considered or are these
going to be considered as emergencies for the budget dealing with the sewer plant that we did not foresee? So, mayor, in answer to Mr. Walker's um comments there. When the finance review committee met and Miss Roman presented
the information to the finance review committee, it was and shown that within 5 years it would take the rates increasing, expenses being cut, budget constraints to hit that zero um basically break even with the budget. When they say we did not contend for
emergencies, it's because we didn't have an emergency fund. We have been able to kind of save some money in the sewer department. We have had a little bit of reserves this fiscal year. However, we cannot prevent emergencies. So, yes, this is the third lift station we've had an emergency repair on. It is right on
the W's edge. If the lift station fails, we will have sewer go into the bayou. So, it is definitely an emergency to get it repaired. Right. Additional commentary. Right. It's like if you call the role. Commissioner Poto. Yes.
Commissioner War. Yes. Commissioner Tender, yes. Commissioner Peeles, yes. Mayor Nelson, yes. Motion passed. Discussion and possible approval of resolution for the fee schedule update. If you read this by title only, please.
A resolution of the city of Linhaven, Florida, amending chapters 42, 46, 54, 70, and 86 of the fee schedule in appendix A of the Linhaven Code of Ordinances and providing for an effective date. Right. Are there any
questions for uh Miss Roman regarding the fee schedule update? Uh go ahead. This is Marsh. We'll be discussing that. Any questions? This is more so u to go back on what we
talked about on Friday of potentially raising the fees for um sports for non Linhaven residents. Obviously, I don't want to be an exceptional amount, but uh I think that since
our citizens tax dollars are paying for these facilities, I think it's only right that people that don't live in Lind Haven that are using our facilities help offset that cost by paying a little bit more. Um I think Justin might have
said maybe like $5 more. Um I I'm in favor of something like that at least. um this year and then uh as a on a trial basis even and see if that drastically hurts our numbers or what have you. I know that Panama City is supposed to be
opening their sports complex so we'll probably see a dip in numbers because of that. Um but I do think it's important to at least consider doing this. Yeah, I agree. It's kind of like our utilities when we have people have utilities that are non Linhaven
residents and they pay a search charge. So I agree. All right. Any other questions or comments regarding the uh fee schedule update as it is for now? And Commissioner Peoples, just for clarity, like we discussed Friday, we
going to continue forward with the numbers we have presented and then the next time the fee schedule is updated and increase for the um outside of Linhaven um registries. That's right. Thank you.
All right. Any other questions, comments? Is there a motion for this? Motion to approve. Second. All right. Discussion from the public. If no discussion, if you'll call the role, please. Commissioner Ward, yes. Commissioner Perno,
yes. Commissioner Tender, yes. Commissioner Peeles, yes. Mayor Nelson, yes. Motion passed. Discussion and possible approval to purchase 500 Singapore transmitters for the city's water meter program.
Yes, sir. These are the transmitters that go on top of the um the meter lids. It connects to the water meter and then send send sends a signal back to the antenna for the billing department to generate the bill. Um, these are our sole source purchase through CO and Main, our our census supplier. Um, and
it also has a new touch reader in the amount of $583. All right. Any questions about that? These these track the flow of water like if you have a leak or anything like that. So, this converts the meters to
the radio read, which does allow uh the building department see if there's uh leaks or issues with the meter. Yes, sir. All right. Is there a motion for this? Motion to approve. Second. Right. Comments from the public. Chris, how many meters will it leave
that don't have this the transmitters on after this? Uh I believe we're around 6,000 um completed in the ballpark of and we've got about 10,500. Um so we're working on our way of about 60 to 65% complete. Okay. Thanks. Yes,
sir. And you you piggybacked off another contract, correct? To get No, sir. Not for this. That is something we are anticipating bringing to you all in October uh for the install. Um the this is something we currently already own uh the census program, the census um
hardware. We just have to continue purchasing the transmitters, but we're projected to be completed with all this at the end of fiscal year 27. Yes, sir. Fiscal year 27. All right. Additional public commentary. If you'll call the role. Commissioner Ward,
yes. Commissioner Pero, yes. Commissioner Tinder, yes. Commissioner Peoples, yes. Mayor Nelson, yes. Motion passed. discussion of possible approval for the mayor to sign the amendment three for the uh CDBG
hazard mitigation grant program for Acme Lane drainage improvements. Yes, sir. These are um some more um uh grant amendments that are coming in. Unfortunately, Department of Commerce does not send them all at one time. Um so, as they come in, we've been bringing to the commission. Uh we've done several
in the past few months, but this is just amendment three to extend that deadline for the Acme Lane drainage improvements, the HMGP project. Um and hopefully we will actually be closing this one out very soon. All right. Any questions about this? No. Motion to approve.
Second. Is this a resolution? Do we have to read it? No, sir. It's just um voting for the commission to approve for the mayor to sign. Okay. All right. Um, any discussions from the public?
If you'll call the role. Commissioner Ward, yes. Commissioner Tender, yes. Commissioner Peeles, yes. Commissioner Pero, mayor, yes. Motion passed. Uh discussion and possible approval of resolution authorizing Chris Lightoot to submit a
resilient Florida grant application to the Florida Department of Environmental Protection. Uh if you read this resolution by title only, please. a resolution of the city commission of the city of Linhaven, Florida, authorizing Chris Lightfoot to submit a resilient Florida grant application to
the Florida Department of Environmental Protection and to execute as the city's representative all documents related to the grant application award and administration providing for conflicts, severability, and an effective date. All right, questions for this.
This is this is just a blanket statement about see um about the resilient Florida grants or is it a specific grant? So it is for the resilient Florida grants. There is a whole bunch of money out there that we anticipate. It's a pot of
right. We anticipate submitting for um a lot of these projects are based upon the vulnerability assessment that Stantech completed. So this is like 17th Street. Yes. The first application we plan to anticip or are applying for is the engineering for the east side regional
storm water facility for a million dollars. That's what we call it now. Yes, sir. I keep saying 17th Street. So, east side. All right. Any additional questions? All right. Is there a motion for this motion to approve?
Second. All right. Comments from the public. All right. Miss Maroy, Mr. Walker, this uh resilient Florida, lots of money. I I think it's important that all of you uh get a little saturated
in what is available. Um Port St. Joe got money. We utilized our money with um University of Florida to give some suggestions because that was the group one of the
groups that was in depth had in-depth knowledge about resilience Florida. I would say that you all need to take more of an active interest in resilience Florida and all the
different avenues, not just one stream of funding, but several. One of the things you may want to do is utilize some money, $200,000, to have experts come in and provide you
knowledge of where you are the most vulnerable and working with Northwest Florida Water Management District about those maps as well. Wouldn't just put it on one person,
right? Mr. Walker, do you want to We had discussions about this before and you explained it, but the acoustics in this building and the verbiage is gets lost. And I just wanted to get something straight. As I understand it, we're
turning in a firetruck. We're trading one in. We're not on that line item yet. That's the next agenda item. I'm sorry. Oh, you're fine. Any questions about the uh Florida grant application? All right.
And mayor, to answer Miss Mroyy's question, so we did get our vulnerability assessment completed. It was a grant through D as well. Um so they studied the city. They have all the FEMA flood maps. They have all of our vulnerable infrastructure, including city hall, police department, lift stations, water and sewage treatment
facilities, and vulnerable storm water areas. Yeah. Coastline. Right. the the coastline. So, this is where we are able to now take that study that was done through a grant and actually submit and put these projects to work and complete other grant applications where we have an advantage
over others as we already have our vulnerability assessment done. So, it we get more points in the grant application by showing that it is an important project or it is recognized in our vulnerability assessment. If if I may, um the Northwest Florida
Water Management District is is very they're in front of you and all the time and uh Daryl Budro um the esttoary program is involved too. They they they are always suggestive and bringing
forward any potential grants that we can we can get. and they they're they're always wanting to meet with with Chris or myself through or to to to give us access to potential grants. I know that. So, I hope that answers your your
question cuz we we are we are involved. We are involved the best the best way we can for these resilient grants, but there's a lot of people. I mean, it's a lot of money, but it it goes out fast. So, all right. Uh, if you call the role.
Commissioner Perno, yes. Commissioner War, yes. Commissioner Tender, yes. Commissioner Peebles, yes. Mayor Nelson, yes. Motion passed. Discussion and approval of resolution authorizing the purchase of custom fire engine for the
amount of $980,000. You read this resolution by title only, please. a resolution of the city of Linhaven, Florida, approving the purchase of a fire engine in the total amount of $980,000. All right. Of course, there are um questions in regards to this. So, if we
could, I guess, explain so that everyone will get the detailed information of how this transaction is happening, you know, inclusive of us receiving um $980,000 in state funding as well. Yes, sir. So, this is an appropriation request that the former city manager uh
worked with our lobbyists to submit. We had actually three appropriation requests. Unfortunately, this was the only one that was approved. Um the $980,000 was worked on. Uh Chief Johnson was able to reach out to the vendor and they were able to work out the the finances where the purchase price would
have been $1,5,000 for the truck. We are getting $25,000 trade-in value for our 2010 E1 pumper. And so our purchase price will be $980,000. We will purchase this truck and then we will submit for a request uh for reimbursement through the appropriate
the legislative appropriation. You know about how long it takes to get your money back. Typically with any appropriations we've done, we've gotten reimbursements within 90 days. It's usually pretty quick. Excellent. Thank you.
And I guess another question would be in regards to this 980,000 as we're waiting on the appropriation to be reimbursed. Um where are we taking these funds from? Is that from the the general fund that we're using this money from or where are we actually spending this Roman?
Yes. Um the money is actually included in the fiscal 26 budget as a revenue and an expenditure. So it's budget neutral in fiscal 26. I don't anticipate paying anything in fiscal 25. However, we do need your authorization to issue the
purchase order in fiscal 25. All right. Any additional questions? Mayor, I have question. Uh the which truck are we trading in? That's what I'm trying to understand. Yes, ma'am. It's It's the 2000 2010 engine
One pumper. So, it's not the other big one that we got last year. No, ma'am. We We will be keeping that truck for a long time. Really? So, we need two. We need multiple. Yes, ma'am. Have we ever used that big pumper? Yes, ma'am. On a fire?
I don't know if it's been on a fire. That would be a Chief Johnson question, but I'm sure it's been to several house fires. Here he comes. Thought that the fire for Dollar General brush fire there.
They use a big one. Commission Fire Chief Mark Johnson. Yes, ma'am. Mr. Ter, your question. My question is how often do we use that big extended ladder thing that I thought we uh originally bought for the marina
since that's our only tall building. That truck runs every day. It runs on EMS calls. It runs on fire calls. that runs on car accidents. It backs up engine two out at station two on Mosley Drive. So, it's running every day. Um, the engine in question is the 2010
pumper. It's causing a issue with mechanical issues and breaking down all the time and due to the age getting the parts and extended time down for repair. That's why we requested the the new one. Mhm. Also with the suffen engine, um they're putting a tech on the road on I 10
because more departments are buying stuff and engine. So we'll have a certified EVT working on our vehicles after this purchase. Since you have taken over this position? Yes, ma'am. Um have you used this big truck? And I'm
just calling it a big truck. Have you used it enough that you would have said we needed it? And this is kind of hindsight because now we're now we're wanting two. Well, one's a ladder truck. This is just a fire engine that we're purchasing. It
doesn't have the big ladder on it. It's smaller and more maneuverable in the city within the city streets. So, it doesn't have the big ladder on top. Okay. So, it's not like the one we already have. Um, one to classify for uh fire trucks, you have a ladder truck which has the
extended 75 ft ladder on it. The engine that we're buying has 24 ft ladders that are inside the truck. So, it's totally different. Um, it does have 1,000 gallons of water on it. So, it will give us an extended time on any kind of fire situation. But for ISO reasons, due to the condo, we do need the ladder truck
in service. You just answered all my questions. Thank you. Any other questions from Commission? Yes, Chief. While you're here, what what what's the shape in the fleet? How many trucks? And what's what's your overall opinion on everything? Not good.
Okay. So, just to be honest with you, um I'd like to know while you're while you're here, let us know. The uh this will start the process of reducing it. You know, I'm I'm running 25 and 30-y old trucks. Y you know, the good thing about buying a firetruck, yes, it is very expensive,
and it's not getting any cheaper, but once you purchase this truck, it is a 20-year purchase. Um, usually you're right around the 15-year mark in service front line and usually that truck at that time will go into a backup or reserve. So, yes, it is
expensive. I understand it, but it's purchases for the future, not just for now. Commissioner Perno, too, I have the list of current fire apparatus vehicles. We have a a 1995 fire engine. We have a 1998 fire engine.
We have a 2003 ladder truck, a 2002 or 2010 fire engine, and then a 2020 ladder truck. Everything's pretty old. Yes, sir. Mhm. And And we're growing and we need to We are growing.
We need to look into an annex. One thing as your fire chief um keeping the residents safe, I have to look at growth. have to look at who's coming in, how many buildings we're building, what type of buildings, are they apartments, are they single family structures. So, doing my due diligence as your fire
chief to keep this community as safe as I can. I need apparatus that can run efficiently and get there fast. Response times, too. Right. Response times also go into our ISO rating. All right. Any other questions for Chief
Johnson? Thank you, Chief. Thank you. All right. Is there a motion for this? Motion to approve. Second. All right. Discussion from the public. Mr. Walker dealing with the big hook and ladder.
Good. Because I don't want to lose that one with fuel depot coming on and the high buildings and what is necessary. Thank you. I got my All right. Additional commentary.
All right. If you call the role. Commissioner Pero. Yes. Commissioner Ward. Yes. Commissioner Tinder. Yes. Commissioner Peeles. Yes. Mayor Nelson. Yes. Motion passed. Um number 18. Discussion for procuring executive firm
for the search of a new city manager. Miss Hodes. Good morning. We started a discussion on this on Friday. I provided some information. Um, Friday got a little hectic to be real honest. So, my ability
and yesterday was also b bu very busy. Um, my ability to reach out to each of you to get your feedback is limited. I'd like to continue that with the position description. And again, in recap, what really needs to happen is for the commission to give us guidance in terms
of what are the critical qualifications you're looking for for your city manager. Um again keep in mind a firm can do a total package marketing publications recruitment screening um or can do all
cart in order for us to be able to serve you because this will be your contract employee. I'm going to need some feedback. Um so I will reach out to each of you. Thank you Commissioner Wart for your written response. Um, I'm sure I'll
come back to you about your three top areas of qualifications. Um, and then I should be able to have more um, direction and information for our next meeting. Uh, and we can start that at pre-commission or at any time. I can I will do this as one-on ones so that I
can get your individual input. Is that okay? Uh, city attorney. Any questions for me at this point? So, you're just going to reach out with an appointment for a oneon-one. Okay. So, were you So, is this I mean, I know
we've had discussions. So, this is about hiring a firm to to search for us. Well, I've heard you want an interim, then a city manager. I mean, there are some decisions you all have to make. Do
you remain with your current structure and management system and we go for a search firm forward? Do you rely on existing staff to do this work? I mean there they're it can come in lots of
different ways. I can from my discussions with the firm a complete package is going to run $35 to $50,000. Um, so that would have to be budgeted as well, right? And and that's what I wanted to
I'm glad you mentioned the price tag, but you al the last time we discussed I think you also mentioned our reach what we had in previous um searches cuz we've done this before and uh the last time we did it, we did we we
did um we we got, you know, potential candidates and we got people coming here to interview and whatnot. and the time before I guess that we had to go back pretty far back to get um to remember when we used a firm before. So it's our
decision the last time was with um the search for um D Schubert. Yes. Right. Which which and and and then um so so the last the last time we did it we did not use a firm but we we still have a reach through League of Cities
and whatnot, right? Oh yes, sir. Yes, sir. I can I can we can post and pay for um recruitment materials and efforts nationwide. That's that's not a problem. It's not that I
can't have access to. So that's a that's do we do we spend $50,000 or do we do we take a swing at doing the search putting it out there when you want to know our opinion? Yeah. I mean, we should discuss it here.
This is where my mind frames at, in my opinion, is one, as far as the interim city manager, I say we keep it the way it is cuz I feel like if we change it and then we change it again, there's no sense spending money to search for an interim like, you know, right now.
Well, that and stability for the city cuz very much every person's different. Everybody leads and manages differently. So, if you get someone in here does things differently, then you get another person, it's going to I think it's going to create a little bit chaos. So, I I'd
like to just search for a city manager. And in my opinion, I say we advertise it on our website and any other places that we can that we can do, whether it be Florida League of Cities and then there's that ICCMA,
whatever that the reach that we can that we can do the web, we can throw and see what kind of responses we get. And if we if we're not happy with the responses, then maybe we can look into um hiring a firm. That's where my
opinion's at. I like your thinking, old boy. Yes. What are the pros and cons? Because I I I wouldn't want to spend the money right right off the bat is what I was is what I was getting at. So, what are the pros and cons for having a firm or doing it internally?
Well, first off, before we even before we even start to advertise again, I need your feedback on exactly what collectively you want to look for in a city manager, qualifications, um, experience
because again, whether we do it in-house or it's done by a firm, we need to know the parameters to market and recruit. Um, an outside thirdparty firm is just that. it's a third party independent consultant. Sometimes that be comes with
more believability whether that's true or not um in terms of the process. Sometimes it has that feeling that it was done um more correctly whether that's true or not. I
think we have the ability to do it either way. one is more cost-effective but you have to be comfortable and we can do it as an interim step. If the applicants do not reach the level of
expectation of the board, then we could reach out even if it's just an allocart use of a firm. Keep in mind that selections and recruitment could also be cyclical meaning I can run an advertisement today and not get many
applicants for any of our positions. take it down, wait, wait a week, hit it again, and suddenly we've gotten 30 people where we got nothing before. So, it has to do with timing. And if I had a crystal ball, I could answer your
questions to the best of my ability, but to date, I haven't been able to create that crystal ball to help in the selection process. All right. Um, I do think it's something uh that we need to hear from the citizens on, not necessarily today per
se, but certainly get the citizens feedback as to um what they think would be a good idea, whether it's a third party or us doing it internally as well. So, that would be be my suggestion cuz we're spending their money. So, you talking about a workshop?
Uh, not necessarily a workshop. I mean, next commission meeting, put it down as an agenda item for us to discuss and approve and then that way we would get some citizen feedback. I like that we're talking right now. That's good. Yeah, we both um finance director Roman and I
have discussed and put some money into next year's budget contemplating that you all may desire to have a third-party consultant at some level. So, it is in the current budget to be able to provide us that support as well as an overall
city um position salary study in fiscal 26. Yes. All right. Um any other input? Commissioner Tinder, Commissioner Peeles. I I just think it's going to be real important to get a collect a collection
of ideas and what our anticipations are. Um, I do know that I'm getting emails already wanting to know where people should apply and obviously we'll have a date if they want to. Yeah, we can announce
how they can apply. So, I just keep telling them to hold on, right? Again, premature because we still need feedback. I still need feedback from all of you. I guess my question would be if we were to do this internally, what is the method that's used to reach out
nationally? Is it just simply putting it on our website or do we have some type of process to to advertise? Well, it'll all funnel into our website because that's where my my data collection and archive um banks are. Um,
however, you can go to various professional sites. you can post a position that has a link to our um website and our collection because I'm required to keep all applications for three years. So we have to archive that
information as public record. Um so it's a funneling and we did that for the uh director of planning and development. We reached out to special um associations and professional organizations so that
we could target the actual individuals with the right degrees and backgrounds. I've done that for the building official. They're harder to to find. There's not as many. They're more selective. Um, but we have used
various groups before to expand our reach to pinpoint the types of qualifications and experience that we're looking for. So, that does come with a cost. It's typically about $200 to $300 a month to advertise. The city, the
League of Cities will do it free for us. Um, so we will weigh the best way. Sometimes we have to join an organization to be able to and there that might be a benefit. join that organization. Um, even if it's just to post the position, it's worth doing
that. So, there's that will be built into a third-party contract. They will build all those same expenses in as well. Okay. Yeah, that answers my question. So, it's kind of like the equivalent of using Zip Recruiter or something like
that where it puts a link to the actual website. Yeah. Currently our our uh advertisements through our website hits Indeed, Zip Recruiter, Recruiter, Glass Door, Monster, um and there's one or two others as a
standard. Then I can actually add specialty links. Awesome. That answers my question. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Meeting adjourned. We got another agenda. Mayor, we've got the Oh, yeah. I forgot you added that. My bad.
Yes, sir. go. Um I guess a few months ago, um some of the firefighters submitted the paperwork to form a union. Um when I was appointed interim, uh county manager Bob Micah reached out with some guidance that he had been through this before. The city of Panama
Beach is actually going through it right now. They recently hired a law firm uh to help the with the city's portion of how to respond to this. We had a conference call, Miss Myers and I, Friday. Um, the attorney that we talked to submitted a letter of engagement and would like for you all to discuss and
possibly approve it and Miss Myers can answer more of the legal questions as well. But this is the the letter we received um for that. So, the local union has filed a petition to form a bargaining unit. Um I have been assisting the city in the initial
responses but I in doing so I also recommended that um the city consider seeking a labor attorney who worked in this arena all the time. Um so the engagement letter you have before you is with Jackson Lewis. Ray Velasquez is the
attorney who has worked for the county and for Panama City Beach. Um Chris and I did speak with him on Friday afternoon. He is competent. He is capable. he can um start advising the city immediately um on
uh essentially just the proper responses um as we move forward. Right now it's very collaborative with the union and we intend to um not make it adversarial but we would like to call on the expertise of this attorney to help us navigate
this process. All right, questions for Miss Myers. What? And your your confidence is high in these people. The county uses them as well. I'm not familiar with the county. I know I know that uh Panama City Beach, I was at the meeting where they approved uh their contract. Um so I know that they
are engaged for Panama City Beach who is at the a similar stage in the process as Linhaven. So, it's pretty common practice to hire an attorney for for these situations and uh it's pretty specialized uh labor work and while I have a very superficial
knowledge um they have a much deeper bench and so I feel like the city while their prices their hourly rates are more expensive their expertise is more specialized um and concentrated if you will right so it's not like yeah like you said it's more concentrated so it's not
like we're going to be hiring them every single day as an attorney it's a very limited engagement just for this firefighter union effort. Right. So, as an attorney yourself, you said limited engagement, like how many billing hours is the ballpark on something like this?
I have I have no idea. Um, and I think a lot of that depends on um what the administrative law judge does with the petition um and the bargaining unit. Um, you may not need very much assistance at all if the judge decides not to form the
unit. Um, if he does, there may be more involved and expertise needed. It that's just hard to predict. All right, any other questions? Is this something we need decided today? Yeah, we are in the process. So, the sooner you can get him on board, um, the
sooner you can start availing yourself of his expertise. Uh we do have a response due to the court uh this week um and the current to respond to the current petition and the creation of the bargaining unit. So for myself, I would recommend that you move forward uh with
this engagement. So it says current hourly rate is 755, but due to the city's relationship with Bay County, Florida, we'll charge discounted rates of $360 for partners, $310 for associates, and $135 for parallegals.
the 360, 310, and 135 is the hourly rate you would be engaging them for. Do we have any idea? You you mentioned another city that's done this. Do you have any idea how long how much they spent? So, the city of Panama City Beach recently hired the same firm and to my understanding from the conversation we
had Friday, they basically mirrored their proposal to give to us as well. So, they're on the same hourly rates as what you would be accepting. We have no idea around an estimated total cost will be when this all gets done. No, sir. Again, they're just starting as well. They're
a little bit further along, but not much further. That was my question. Bill, what's the bill hours? What's the ballpark on the billable hours? So, but it could it depends on the litigation. Correct. Yeah, it does. Well, and you could
potentially make your motion with Miss Meyer's guidance of putting a cap on it not to exceed $25,000 or whatever number you desire and then we can bring it back before you if we start getting around that number. All right. Is there a recommendation for a particular cap we would like to put or
just move forward as is? you know that dollars and hours. It's unexpected. So, it's up to you. Um, it could be $3,000. It could be $30,000. It's just really hard to predict. I don't think we're going to have a
choice. I think we're going to have to do it regardless. We've got to we've got to we've got to do it. So, that's taken hour's worth. I'm kidding. Oh, no. I I'll make a motion to approve the way it's written as is. All right. There's a motion. Is there a
second? I'll second it. All right. Discussion. No caveat on on a cap. Take it. Even if they do go over it, we're going
to have to do it regardless. At least we'll get told when it's at a certain level. Regardless of a cap or not, Commissioner, we can bring you updates. Yeah. we can put them in Miss Meyer's reports monthly or quarterly or just as things happen um to keep you all up to
date on how the process is playing out. More lawyers, right? Comments from the public based on history. Y'all have not done a good job listening to your legal counsel. I encourage you if you're going to engage another, use their advice this
time. Thank you. Additional commentary. All right. If you call the role. Commissioner War. Yes. Commissioner Peoples? Yes. Commissioner Pero? Yes. Commissioner Tinder? Yes. Mayor Nelson? Yes. Motion passed. Meeting adjourned.