at 5:31. Uh if we could have the invocation and pledge led by Pastor Aldridge Young, let us pray. Dear Lord God, as we come before thy
presence and such homage and respect and reverence, we come, oh Lord God, praying for this this city of Lyn Haven. officials, governmental officials.
We pray, oh father, that uh this gathering uh will be in such a way that you would be pleased. Pray for an unfined love one toward another. Lord bless our city,
a city that is beloved, a city of love and a city of dignity. We thank you, oh father, for the God that you are, and we do thank you for our officials.
We pray this prayer in Jesus name. Amen. Let us look to our flag for and present the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. So, what I'm going to do today is we have three pro proclamations
and I'm going to go ahead and read those first before we jump into public commentary. The first one is for Thad Kane Day. I don't know if uh many of you know this or not, but um Kane Griffin Park um
where we at geographically this way is uh one the the name um Kane is from Thag Kane's family and many people claim that he's part of the reason one of the reasons they named it after him is because back when I was a kid there was
only one field at Kane Griffin and he was constantly hitting home runs into the yards. of the neighbors and so um he was one of the main reasons why that park was named Kane Griffin. So whereas Thag Kane spent his entire life of 67
years growing up in Linhaven, whereas those who knew him would often say that his heart was as vast as his physical stature. And whereas in 1976, Thad was a member of Mosley's second ever graduating class participating in baseball, basketball, and football
throughout his high school years. And whereas he held a deep affection for all things related to sports and continued his involvement in ball games by volunteering to coach the girls basketball teams throughout the 80s and early 90s offering transportation when
necessary and dedicating himself wholeheartedly to the program. And whereas subsequently over the years that could be seen at every Bay County athletics competition as well as all the Mosley football and basketball games. And whereas the city city honored the
Cain and Griffin families who were the original settlers of the land by naming the Kang Griffin Park in Lynh Haven after them. And whereas according to local lore, Kang Griffin Field was considered Thaad's field as he frequently hit the ball out of the park and into the backyards of the houses
across the street or onto the rooftops. And whereas Thaad was also a member of Gent, Inc. where he organized the annual golf tournaments to raise funds for student scholarships. And whereas Thaad Kaine cherished his wife and family, was a devoted fan of Mosley, the Florida
Gator, and any sport involving a ball, Thaad is survived by his wife of 34 years, Zucasa, and their four children. Now therefore, I uh hereby proclaim September 24th every
year as Thad Kane Day. [Applause] [Applause] Next we have National Breast Cancer Awareness Month.
Whereas breast cancer touches the lives of Americans from every background and in every community across our nation. And whereas though we have made great strides in combating this devastating illness, more than 316,950
women will be diagnosed with breast cancer this year and tens of thousands are expected to lose their lives to the to the disease. And whereas during the month of October, National Breast Cancer Awareness Month, we honor those we have lost, lend our strength to those who
carry on the fight, and pledge to educate ourselves and our loved ones about this tragic disease. And whereas though the exact causes of breast cancer are unknown, understanding its risk factors is essential to prevention. And whereas early dedication
is also key in the fight against breast cancer and getting recommended screening mammograms can help to detect breast cancer early. Now therefore, I proclaim October 25th as National Breast Cancer Awareness Month. Further, I call upon
the residents of the city of Linhaven to join in activities that will increase awareness of what Americans can do to prevent breast cancer. And lastly, we have a proclamation for the city government week.
Whereas city government is the government closest to most citizens and the one with the most direct daily impact upon its residents. And whereas municipal government provides services and programs that enhance the quality of life for residents making their home.
And whereas city government is administered for and by its citizens and is dependent upon public commitment to and understanding of its many responsibilities. And whereas city government officials and employees share the responsibility to pass along the
understanding of public services and their benefits. And whereas Florida City Government Week offers an important opportunity for elected officials and city staff to spread the word to all citizens of Florida that they can shape and influence this branch of government. And whereas the Florida League of Cities
and its member cities have joined together to teach citizens about municipal government throughout a city of activities. Now therefore by the ver uh now therefore I do by here declare by proclamation as
follows that the city of Linhaven encourages all citizens, city government officials and employees to participate in events that recognize and celebrate Florida City government week. Section two, that the city of Linhaven encourages educational partnerships
between city government and schools as well as civic groups and other organizations. And section three, that the city of Linhaven supports and encourages all Florida city governments to actively promote and sponsor Florida City Government Week.
All right, moving on to public commentary. First, we have Keith Baker. Uh Keith Baker, 8 8350 Baker Way, Youngsttown, Florida. Um just want to thank the board for this
opportunity to come before you guys and speak. It's been a long time since I've been in front of a a group, so uh forgive me if I have any kind of nervousness. Um, you know, I I'm I'm here to talk about the vacancy current vac uh
current vacancy of the city manager position and uh specifically Chris Lightfoot and and the position that he's holding now and and uh I I I just wanted to to to share some things about Chris and my past experience with him that I
believe to be true and um and and really ultimately the reason why I think he would be a great fit for this city. Um but but really I just want to do a quick joke about Chris and um so we worked together at the city of Panama Panama
City. We were there together. I was there for six years. I served as the director of leisure services and somewhere around 2017. Um you know we our seating arrangements were always the same. You know every week we met city manager and we went through you know
current events, things that were going on, projects, whatever. And uh there was a vacancy at the director of utilities. Well, Chris filled that vacancy. And you know, you know, you have a fun time. It's a good time when you're you're in those meetings because you know have
freedoms. You we joke and we laugh. And so I got to know Chris over I don't know several months of meetings. And one day I just I was curious. I was like, "Man, how old are you?" and he said, "Uh, and I'm I'm only 26, about to be 27." I
said, "Are you kidding me?" I said, "That's that's that's crazy." And, uh, so I I was just like I was baffled because the same Chris you see sitting here in the seat today is the same guy that I saw however many years ago. And I'm convinced that his mother dropped
him out of the womb just like that because I I it's just, you know, he's the same guy. And and so anyway, um no, I I you know, Chris and I got to know each other well at the city and and I I I got to see him perform. We we performed together on a lot of projects
and um and I just want to say why I think he's important to your team and and it really it's it's about team. I I was very fortunate in uh college. I I played college baseball. We won a national championship and we were not the best team on the field, but we had
the best role players on the field and every guy that that that went out there and performed performed their role and that's why we won. And so that's kind of what I you know I kind of want to share some things that I believe Chris brings to the table. And one one I'll start with one open communication. Obviously
we know open communication is is important. I mean see failed marriages every day. And I think the the main reason for those failed marriages is because of communication. Uh trust and respect. I think uh Chris would bring trust and respect to this organization
uh because people know his background and they they understand that he was out there u doing what they did and and you gain a lot of respect that way. Empathy. Empathy is big because you know you got to care for your your employees. gota you got to care and you got to love your
employees and and and understand them where they are. Uh constructive feedback that's important in in any organization not only giving constructive feedback but being able to receive it and I truly believe Chris has that uh ability uh
role and clarity. We just talked about that about you know that national championship spirit and that winning. Um, you know, if if you're if if you if you don't have a team that knows their roles and they they're not given clarity of about their role. Sorry. Can I
continue or do I need to go? >> Uh, no. Sorry. Okay. >> Got three minutes. >> Sorry. Couldn't fit it all in. >> I appreciate it. >> Anyway, thank you. >> All right. Next week on the list, we have Ryan Scray. Good evening, commission. Um, the street
lighting responsibility transfer. I emailed you all, but my opinion has changed a little bit on what I said. Um, I just outright don't want you guys to approve this, and I'm going to tell you why. Uh, this might sound like a small request, but what it really does is
shift a private cost, something the developer and ultimately the HOA agreed to, onto every taxpayer in Linhaven at a time when strict budgeting is fundamental and a priority. When that community was built, the developer chose the lighting they did.
They made a private deal to cover it. And now that the agreement is expiring, they want to change things up. And they're asking the city, which is all of us, to pay for it. Uh the proposal says the city could reduce the amount to about 1,200 a month. So can the HOA making the same
deal with FPL. That is a cost of $9 per month per household in that community. That's the cost of a Netflix subscription, one fewer Starbucks run per month, or just choosing store brand groceries on your
trip instead of name brand. So this isn't about hardship. It's about fairness and responsibility. If you as a commission would like to revisit how we do street light allocation and paying for them across the entire city, please do so because we have many other
residents that are paying individually for their street lights outside their homes right now. I was quoted about $17 by FPL for an extra street light per month. Once the city takes ownership, you would also inherit all of the future costs and liabilities of those lights
and whatever rate hikes FPL decides to make for them. And in short, this proposal asks 133 households to save $9 per month each by asking thousands of other residents to pay more over time. It's not just
unfair, it's fiscally irresponsible. Thank you for your time and protecting all of the residents of Linhaven. Thank you. Next on the list, we have Courtney Stewart. Mayor Proton. Miss Stewart asked me to pass these out when she came up to
speak. >> Thank you. What I've just to clarify to everybody, what I've given them is just a uh Google Maps image of our neighborhood entryway just so they have kind of a visual of what I'm explaining. Um, hi there. Uh,
my name is Courtney Stewart and I'm a resident here in Linhaven. I'm here tonight to ask you all for your help. Um, I've lived in Hawks Landing community for six years now, and every year our traffic problem has been getting worse. We have a single entry
neighborhood, which I originally found to be a fantastic blessing because we have a 5-year-old and a 2-year-old, and that means safety and security. Um, but we have come to find that between 2:00, sometimes 1:45 to 3:00, 3:20, it's
almost impossible to get in our neighborhood. Bay Haven traffic has become so overwhelming that it lines up Highway 389 and oftentimes it blocks our straight only lane into our neighborhood. As of yesterday, I would like to add that they have also actually
added road markings indicating that the straight lane can also be used as a second right turn lane. I don't know if that was city approved, but they redid all of the Bay Haven printing. Um, I've heard so many things from so many people, a lot of which I cannot verify,
but I know that all of our attempts to fix this problem have been unsuccessful. I've been told, we've talked to the previous city manager about this, and she said yes initially, and then she turned us down, quoting it would cost a lot of money, and again, I've heard quotes and numbers and everything, but I don't know if it's legitimate, so I'm
not even going to go into that. Um, I've also heard we've talked to the police chief requesting maybe uh, you know, either police help or something like that, cones where we can just enter our own neighborhood. Um, and we've got no responses with that. Uh, at least
nothing permanent. I've called Bay Haven twice in preparation for this meeting and after the second call, I basically got a response from the um, secretary saying she talked to the CEO and that it w that they've been there for 16 years. It's been like this that forever and
it's our problem, not theirs, which I don't think really fixes anything, but we'll pass that. Um, all of this beyond the major inconvenience of having a 2-year-old who's screaming in the car and I'm just trying to get home from picking up my daughter. Behind passing
all of this, um, we have the problem of emotional interactions. A few weeks ago, I was actually cursed out and flicked off. excuse my language, but for just trying to I rolled down my window and just asked the gentleman if I could get in front of him to get left to get to my
house. My 5-year-old in the back seat turned like looks at mommy and says, "Why was that man yelling at you?" I I honestly I was kind. I was not trying to be rude. I rolled down my window. So, all of that to say tensions are getting really hot between the parents and the
people living here. We have a lot of people going in the out. Um the second response is emergency um vehicles trying to get emergency vehicles in. We've had fires, we've had health issues. So all of that I'd like to say please help us in some way or another. If you have any
questions, I'm happy to answer to the best of my ability. >> Thank you. Next we have is it uh Dave Lowry. Good evening commissioners. Uh thank you for hearing me tonight. Um I'd like to
briefly address you this evening. My name is Dr. Dave Lowry and I'm the president of the Hawks Landing HOA. Been on the board for 10 years now. resident of Hawks Landing for 13 years since I reassigned down here to Tindle from um just to add a little bit of
contextual color to what my good friend and neighbor Courtney Stewart was talking about. St. Joe's original 2003 oneway in one way out into the Hawks Landing neighborhood has become increasingly problematic with many of our residents not being able to get in and out of their community effectively
from 6:45 to 8:15 in the morning and again in the afternoons from 2 to 3:30 in the afternoons when Bay Haven traffic is at its peak. While never ideal, back preichel, approximately 60% of Bay Haven students were bust in. Only 40% were
actually driven in by parents, grandparents, what have you. After Michael, when so many of our families were scattered across the community, up to 90% of the students are now trucked in. That's double the amount of traffic in without any additional roads or
infrastructure there. Um, it's been frustrated even further because we've had legitimate emergency first responder and first response medical type situations. Uh, and I'll just give you a case in point. In early 2014, a home just four doors down from my own home
got struck by lightning February of 2024. It's a rolling thunderstorm that came through in the afternoon. So, Bay Haven immediately shut down the school, would not let students out. So, gridlock ensued, right? So, our fire trucks from right outside the neighborhood were
trying to get in and absolutely gridlock everywhere and could not get in. That home ended up being a total loss and a military retired family that had been there 14 years saw their home burned to the ground. Now, would that five or 10 minutes made a huge difference? Maybe,
maybe not. But that just shows you the problem that we've had. We've also had multiple heart attacks, strokes, issues like that with some of our elder residents. Same problem with ambulances. So sadly, multiple HOA efforts have been made with the last three Bay Haven CEOs,
and their response has always been, "Y'all figured it out. We were here first. We still have an issue for the betterment of our entire community um that we would really like to collaborate with the city of Linhaven to figure out a specific solution. We have two potentials in mind we can read. I've
discussed with Chief Remy before. I've discussed with Vicky Gainor before. We will be more than happy to talk to the proper subject matter experts to try to get that addressed. One would be to remove our main signage and allow a new uh lane in, but we would also need a corresponding lane out and right turn
lane. Increase traffic in, you have to increase it out. It's just found the problems. There's also possibilities to connect to existing county or city roads and other locations within the compounds of our neighborhood which is compounds of
look forward to working with you and thank you. I am having issues uh reading this name. It's uh first name starts with the letter A and the last name starts with the letter B. Yes, there we go.
Good evening, uh commissioners. Uh Alvin Peters, 25 East 8 Street, Panama City, Florida. Uh I represent I'm one of the lawyers representing your former city manager, Vicky Gainor. And I promised you I'd come and from time to time once a month, update you. Last week, we sent
in a letter to your attorney, Miss Meyers, outlining the basis of our claim for discrimination uh by uh Miss Gainor and how the city will be, we uh estimate, liable for the misconduct and the discrimination by the city against
her. That letter indicates that you have roughly till October 25th before we file uh formal uh suits and administrative claims uh against the city. So, uh, that's the update, uh, in in that
regard. Since the last time I was here, uh, you've lost your police chief. Um, I guess he was allowed to resign. Um, and for purposes of our case, what's
relevant is how he was treated. Anytime you bring a discrimination case, you want to say how was uh what how was Miss Gainor treated versus how were others treated. Uh in the in the terminology of discrimination cases, you say what's the
comparator? How does this how does the behavior of the city compare uh how they treated Miss Gainor, a black woman, uh with how they treated a white male? And so I'm looking at the investigation
uh that the city conducted on the termination of Chief Remy. And I have in my hand this letter uh dated September 25th from Dave Marcy uh who wrote this 42page
report with numerous recorded interviews, numerous photographs, annotations. I mean it's an impressive investigation. if you've had a chance to look at it. And then so I have this on the one hand for how the city
investigated the case against Chief Remy. And here I have in my hand nothing. This is the quality of the investigation that the city did against Miss Gainor.
And so this is an example of how the city rushed to judgment, mistreated Miss Gainor versus how they treated Chief Remy. And this is a part of how we prove discrimination.
On the one hand, a 42page report by a third party, an impartial person, and on the other hand, little or nothing. Thanks. >> Thank you. Next we have Cecil Skoon.
Good evening. My name is Cecil Skoon and I'm also representing Miss Gainor. Um, you know, you might ask yourself, what does an investigation what does it matter? It really does matter because
both um uh Mr. Remy and the former city manager who another white male, they were placed on indefinite suspension uh or they were kept p they were allowed to be paid while the investigation went
on with um city manager White. He was on indefinite suspension and that was literally said in the minutes of a meeting. So people didn't know how long the independent investigation was going to be and it was a good thing because there are always multiple sides to any
issue. That's how he was treated. Um Mr. Peters then uh pointed out how Chief Remy was was treated. He was also allowed to stay in his work and while an independent uh person did a very
thorough investigation to see both sides. And again, people want to generally don't want to rush a judgment. They want to find out, you know, is that really true. But that's not what happened with Miss Gainor. Immediately
upon review of that deposition, people made up their minds. You know, we got to fire her that this is terrible. But if you actually read the deposition words, if you actually took the time to read it, what the lawyer was doing in that deposition is called leading questions.
He had a paragraph and then he would ask the witness um Mr. Forehand, he'd say, "Is that is that correct?" And Mr. Forehand basically answered, "It appears." So, there was one particular question that was asked of Mr. Forehand
about um uh is there any other reason that for the rebid except that Miss Gainor didn't want Phoenix to get the contract? It was a very long question and Mr. forehand said it appears so. But
if there had been a proper investigation, you would have been able to look at the letter that Mr. Forehand himself wrote justifying the rebid. He had about 10 reasons that he gave to Miss Gainor to do the rebid. He's the
one who told her to do it. And if you taken the time to have a third-party look at that, you would have seen it wasn't a personal vendetta on Miss Gainner's part. She was following the directions of the professional engineer who had been hired for the city. He said
one of the reasons was doing work with no notice, did not provide a schedule, did not supervise the subs. Those are legitimate reasons and if you all had taken the time to do allow an independent investigation, you would
have had that information before you. Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh, next on the list is John Dossa, but I have here item 26. So, we can just wait till then to do that.
Um, sorry for leading you on like that. Uh, next we have Johnny Bashers. >> Greetings, commissioners. Rather than come up at each agenda item, I thought I'd address my concerns now that so you can consider them ahead of each item. Then you can respond during the reports
or during the discussion of the agenda item or remain silent, whatever you prefer. There's a lot of spending being requested on this agenda in ex in excess of $3.4 $4 million excluding the one plus million dollar for the Tennessee sidewalk which is FDOT funded. I ask is
there a spending plan in place for this or is the intent to simply pull out of current funds and replenish when revenue comes in? I realize that some of the items are currently simply orders with promise to pay as items are delivered or down payments are demanded. Um the 68k
contract with Bay County Sheriff's Office, that agenda item was originally with the police. Is that going to stay in the police budget or is it going to move to the general fund budget as the original contract was with the police department for the front end loader, garbage truck, boom truck, firet truck,
their large long delivery items. I realize the revenue will likely come in before they're paid for. Bunker gear for our firefighters and thermal imaging cameras are life safety items and should be purchased immediately. water meters, lift stations. I hope
they're not the cost is not incurred before revenue comes in to pay for them. Item 23, Sam wide citywide vehicle GPS tracking. As I understand it, you get vehicle tracking, gas consumption, and speeds, but it doesn't include the
police or fire vehicles. Do we really get 5K per month of value out of that contract? That's something that I would like y'all to think about. Merrick Industries this entrance drainage improvement project engineering is 51k and who knows what
the actual cost is going to be. Is there a way to have Merrick pay for these improvements or carry some of the cost of those improvements? L Haven receives about 9K per year in advorum taxes from Merrick including their storm water assessment. The meal bayou street lights
which Ryan Gray already spoke on costs about $9 a month per residence 14K a year. Was it budgeted? There certainly was a lot of information and and items and contention with the development of that history of that. Um the letter of
support to the Panama City Rescue Mission for emergency shelter project compassion homeless shelter. They're requesting 4.26 million in funding from the state. Total cost projected at 5.6 million or $825 per square foot. This letter of support is to support that
request. Have you asked the leaders, the elected officials in Lynh in Panama City if they support and Panama City citizens support that? In the past, this has been a contentious issue. Are we sure we want to support that without the city input
if we do not already have it? Last, and one more thing, I would like to know on the warrant list what Aventress and Bill Smith Electric those two items were for. They're both over 100K. And I would like specifically to know what services were provided for those. Thank you.
Thank you. All right. There's a lot of questions asked right there. Um >> All right. >> I'll address them as we get those items. >> Okay. Mr. Lightoot will address those when we get to those items. Um we can
ask about the warrant list items when M. Roman comes up. And then uh if we miss anything, let me know and we'll we'll get those answers. All right. Next, uh we have Jerry
Parker. Good evening, Commission. Jerry Parker, Replace. First of all, I want to give you some information that Florida is an atill state. Miss Gainer could have been fired for
any reason, any reason at will state. With that being said, let me remind you guys of the 302 that Mrs. Gainor gave to the FBI in reference
to me, Jodie Moore, Christy Maroy, and Bernie Thompson. They were all 100% a falsehood. It's a crime. What she did to the FBI was a crime. Why
she was protected, I don't know. She should have been gone long before. Now, with that being said, 17th Street across from um Doc's Tire, that water thing leaked I think was
corrected, but now there is a huge hole there. 18th Street still potholes, so that needs to be addressed as well. Thank you. All right. And next we have Christy
Mroy. Christy Mroy, Port St. Joe. Uh, yeah, that through to it. It was pretty outlandish. um said that I was friends with Margot Anderson. Didn't know Margot. I'd only
met Margot twice in federal court. It looked like we were trying to collude in order to impact a federal case, a corruption case. And I also find it interesting. We still have
a hangover from that. Uh but that was incorrect. Um, I kind of want to talk about how Miss Gainor was treated differently because I recall when she was hired and everybody was all on
board, Miss Gainor got vested not after 10 years but after five years. Do y'all remember that? Commissioner Perno, you remember that? And that even though the committee who
was led by somebody that was in finance and was over and the committee members were uh city employees, they all voted that down because of the numbers and what that meant to the future of the
city and other retirements. But she got that vested after five years. I wasn't going to say anything about that, but since they talk about how everybody's, you know, discriminated against, I know how how she feels because I felt kind of
discriminated against, too. Now, I've read the 42 pages. I hope y'all have, too. There are many inconsistencies and concerns within those 42 pages. And I think uh one of the items that I'm
concerned about is on the agenda. So I'll come back and talk to about that. But my main concern too is you know you talk about car wrecks. So question I have is for Chris Lightoot. Did you have a
employee under your employment that had a truck that had looked like it had been beaten with the baseball bat? And I've got the employees name and I would like to know a little bit more about that and I'm going to send
you an email about it. But that is also a little concerning. There are many things that are still concerning about the way this city is being run. and uh the CO the fire um the fire
sprinkler um inspection how long it took to get those things in August before they were finished. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Do we have any further public commentary? All right, we'll go front to back. So, Miss Moore, >> so if the lawsuit actually happens, I'm looking forward to following that. Um, I just want to uh just a few words about
the police chief. Um, first of all, I would like to know um if there's any more information about the other bank accounts that that he had, if there's anything else that can be told about that, and if not today, I hope that can be told in the future. I would also
encourage this commission um going forward. I guess the um process is not that the commission approves the next chief of police, but I would hope that considering past history that um that
candidate would come before um the commission and that there is a transparent process to that. I I don't think it's appropriate considering everything that's happened in the past for, you know, you guys just to go, "Hey, here's here's the new guy or the
new woman or whatever." Um, like I said, I would just like for I I actually had heard that there's a committee that has been formed to, you know, choose the next police chief, and that's fine. That's a good idea. But again, I would just encourage everybody to be as transparent as possible. Let us kind of
vet that person, maybe meet and, you know, meet the person ahead of time. this is important for the city and for the culture. Um and I think you all need to have a chance to meet with that person and you know and again the best candidate needs to be needs to be picked. Thanks
>> everybody raise your hand that wants to talk. All right Mr. Langford if appreciate it. I was going to sign in but I didn't didn't have uh didn't have time to. Um, man, that was a compelling argument. I felt like I was on an episode of Matlock there for a second.
Um, but uh I'm not even that the street light deal. You can't take over the street lights over in their uh over behind North Bay Haven. I wrote over there and looked at it. Um, you know, it's
I I don't know what they were thinking when they when they made that, but there's like a street light every third house and then one one house there's like a street light like 10 feet from the house. So, I I just don't think it's smart. Obviously, Mr. Basher and Ryan got up here and and gave you the numbers
behind that. Um, you know, it I don't I don't think it's the city's problem to solve. I think it's the HOA's problem to solve. I really do. Um but um other than that uh just wanted to just wanted to pass that along. Thanks.
>> Thank you. And my name is Captain Gary Wayne Beck. I live at 2601 Beach Street. Folks, once again, I would like to let y'all know, you know, um I moved here in 1982 when I was 10 years old and I had the privilege of growing up in Bay County and it was one of the
most best experiences I've ever had in my entire life. Some of the best dreams and some of the best times I had was right over there when y'all used to do the Renaissance when I was a boy, you know. Then I went on to join the merchant marines in 2007 and then my
lord above turned me into an inventor. I designed a system in 2007 to power a city, house or subdivision with no fossil fuels. And then I went on to design an asteroid defense system in 2010 which I named the peas asteroid
arresting system after clar commissioner. And uh somewhere along the lines um the scientific community won't recognize me because I say my Lord above did it rather than me. My work has already been graded and approved by a professor that teaches electrical
engineering. And if anybody in here would like to see what I've done, I'd be happy to show you. But during the meantime, when I was in Honolulu, Hawaii, and I put my hand on the Bible and hollowed ground, I swore to uphold the Constitution and Bill of Rights. And since I've spoken with y'all last, um,
there's been another eight people that this county has destroyed their lives by taking their homes. And I've encountered strongarmed extortion that affects everybody in this county within the 14th judicial. And that's the people that is
at the um, Bill Clerks, the clerk of court's office who's not filing documents properly. And there's judges that allow them to forge my name within the courts. They're time and time again, they isolate me and rob me of every
constitutional right. And they're not only doing it to me, they're doing it to all sorts of people in Bay County. And these people are ruthless because after all, they're praying on the elderly, the weak, and the poor. And you can't get much more strong armed extortion than
$42,600 for one day's labor, which is what the code enforcement did on Panama City Beach to Miss Cindy. I was just a victim of the code enforcement. Again, they came to my house, surrounded my house with sheriff's officers, and proceeded to take every tool that I have. Neither
here nor there. I'm targeted. But what we got to realize is that the judges and the the clerk of court and the officers with inside the clerk of courts, they're committing strong armed extortion and racketeering that I can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt because they're all in
on it. Whether it be the fines or the accumulation of debt so they can take the people's property. And oh yeah, let's don't forget what Mike Thomas said. You know, they pride themselves in in throwing the people in thousands and thousands of pounds of papers. and he says, "We buy our ink by the barrel."
And I've witnessed it. And I'm begging y'all, please get me in touch with Sheriff um Tommy Ford, you know, because if I can't get in touch with him, then I'm left to a point where, you know, I'm I'm obligated to defend my nation and the people. >> All right. Thank you, sir. >> Thank you, sir, for y'all's time, and I
appreciate it. If anybody would like to see what I done, I'll be happy to show y'all whenever I get out here. >> All right. Uh, anybody else? Next, we'll move on to the commissioner's reports. I guess I'll go first since seat one and then two and
then three and four. Sure, why not? All right. So, first um want to say that the event that the city put on for dedicating the new fire truck was excellent. So, thanks for everyone that made that happen. I had the honor of attending that. Um it was it was a
great event and so thank you for everyone coming out and and supporting. Uh there are a few things I'd want I did want to bring up is I did want to say bring up that think we may want to maybe for our next agenda put on. It's just my
opinion here that we should put on the agenda for the charter committee appointments. >> Yes sir. It will be on the next agenda. >> Okay cool. And then next, um, I wanted to bring up the the Hawk Landing traffic. I do think that it's time that from a city standpoint, maybe we
re-evaluate, um, go back and re-evaluate what we can. That being said, uh, I also want to encourage those that came out here to please reach out to Bay District Schools as well. Um, go to one of their uh, go to one of their meetings because they have as much pool in this as we do,
if not more. Um because if if the issues with the president of the school not working with you, we can't force them to do that. Um but just wanted to give that um and let you know that uh I will be, you know, advocating that we look at it from our side. So I appreciate you
coming out and talking about it and I really respect you coming out here um taking your evening and and bringing up your concerns. Next I wanted to bring up the uh community services advisory board. Um, as you know, we we I believe that's what
it's called. Uh, we have had to cut some things that are not so fun to cut right in the budget. And uh I think that this board is the board that we can utilize the best to find ways that we can come together as a community and help make uh
events happen that maybe that the city does not necessarily fund, but maybe we can partner with the city as far as like using the parks or something like that. Um, I believe the chairman of that board is here today. Um, uh, Mr. Freeman back there. Um, I did have a question for you
if if you don't mind. Uh, just want to get your opinion on a few things and so that everyone up here in within the sunshine we can talk about it legally. Thanks for coming. >> Good evening. >> So my question I guess is do you kind of
see it the same way that this is a board that can be used for to help in that scenario maybe um get together and do events? >> Absolutely. I feel that uh you know over the couple of years that we've been that I've been chair we've been had a lot of
ideas and concepts both from an internal standpoint as well as from people members of the public that have come to our meetings with ideas on how to achieve goals how to have events how to be public partner uh private partnerships on a lot of lot of things um raising funds for very specific items
within within the city that that uh different organizations or people were interested in trying to fund, but not necessarily coming out of city coffers. We we've had lots of discussions and had some great ideas. Um we're eager to to
get back to it for sure. >> Awesome. Now, how often do you think would be ideal to meet? Any idea? >> Uh historically, we were meeting at least quarterly. Uh when we were when we had a lot of stuff to go on, we were meeting as much as as monthly. So, it just really depended on what was on the
on the table and what need. >> Okay. And do you think the number of members that you currently have is sufficient or is do you think it's something we should look at adding people? >> Uh I would say because we we have some legacy guys that have uh the one person
that was the chair for years has moved out of Linhaven. So, not only is he no longer a part of the board, he's no longer chair. Uh and then you know other people their work interests have changed and stuff over the years. I mean I would love to add you know voice for two
especially people that were fresh and eager and investing people that want to see stuff happen with some ideas. >> Yeah definitely. Well I appreciate you coming out. I think that kind of answers my questions. Um the more I looked at
this talked to people talk to people across the community. I think um you know there are ways that we can have things like something for Halloween or Easter or whatever that we can do without spending or at we could do without spending any tax dollars and at
a minimum you know get the ball rolling on making that happen because we ab absolutely don't want to take stuff away from people. We just got to find a way to do it without it costing money. So >> much like yourselves as representatives on the board, we have some we have some pretty active people within the community
all connected, make some things happen. We'd love to be a part of it. >> Awesome. So I guess my um my suggestion for the for the commission is uh let's let's utilize this board and let's let's figure things out. Um we got people that
are willing to serve. I guess my my question for the attorney would be if they do want to add a one or two more, what would that process look like? >> If they are they are vacancies, it's up to the commission to appoint. If they want to if you want to expand the composition of the board, you'll need to
the commission will have to do that. >> Okay. All right. Cool. Well, thank you, sir. I appreciate you coming out. Um I'm going to keep advocating for it. So, all right. I think that is um oh one other thing uh you know a big
thing that's coming up is the um the hiring of the city manager the permanent city manager and uh I talked to the head of HR had great conversation um the first phase is to um have the tiger team
get together and review the um if they're eligible like the first check boxes one thing I did want to encourage us to do is as that process happens, possibly modifying that tiger team depending on what phase we're in. For example, um
in my opinion, the best possible tiger team to have is a combination of new eyes, eyes that have been here for a few years and eyes that have been here for many years. Um I also think it's wise to get input from any department head. So, I think maybe um not necessarily from a
Tiger team, but encourage the department heads maybe have every single department head give us one question that they want us to ask or something like that. I just want the department heads to um feel that they're allowed to be engaged because it's going to be their new boss.
So, um, we want to, uh, get the department heads engaged as much as we can, but I do want to say thank you to everyone that has put in the hard work so far in this, um, the data that's come back, the the spreadsheets that we've seen. It's good work. I appreciate it.
And, um, last thing is I will have a coffee meet this upcoming Saturday uh, at Solola. So, keep an eye out for that. And I'd love to meet with you and talk about anything you want to talk about. And we will have coffee with commissioners during government week as well. So you'll have twice the amount of
time to have some coffee. So uh appreciate all you do. And on to Commissioner Preno. Thank you for Tim. I'd just like to tell y'all I know we did a proclamation
for Thaad um Thaad Kane and I've played in the Gent tournament. I don't think I've played in a golf tournament where THAAD wasn't there. And I've played in two charity golf
tournaments recently without THAAD. And I saw the heavy hearts on the people who were who were on his team, who were who were there. And it's just it's just very moving to uh to know that a man had that
much impact on the community. Um he was he was a great guy. He never was in a bad mood and he was he was just uh he was just a lot of fun to be around. Um but he he and they said it they his uh
his service was at Mosley's gymnasium uh two Saturdays ago and uh one of the fellas said it best. He said as nice as he was, he wanted your money. He would he would play he would play golf serious. So, um, but there wasn't a
person that, uh, that that encountered him that didn't know one of the kindest souls you'll ever meet. So, I I really, uh, he's he's left a big hole behind. Uh, I could see it on the faces of the people that that were closest to him. And, uh, and he will be missed. Um, I
don't have much else to report. Um, you know, uh, um, I just like to thank all of our city employees. Um and uh and all of you people who care to come out for these meetings that that you care enough to be here. Um uh these times are are very
important. Um we're all we're all we're all approachable. I think everybody has their favorite commissioner to to to check in with. Um but each commissioner brings a different a different point of view to these meetings. Um, I think you can uh you can find that that we're
we're we all have the best interest for our city at heart as much as some people don't think that. But I'd like to thank y'all and that's my report. >> Thank you. Uh, Commissioner War. >> Yes. So, um, my time with the
commissioner is going to be on the 25th of October, uh, 11:30. I'm going to switch it up a little bit. I'm going to go to Diego's Burrito factory. So, um, want to come out and talk about whatever you'd like to talk about, more than happy to have you. And if you can't make it and you
still want to talk to me, uh, my number is 850391217. Uh, more than happy to talk to you. Give me a call. Um, S tax committee, uh, there's going to be an opening coming up here soon. um
certax goes over um a lot of it's with the infrastructure sir tax money that we get and um they go over the expenses um that they're spending to make sure it's it's being utilized the way it's supposed to. So anybody wants to get involved in that uh let me know. It's on
my Facebook page. Uh if you don't do Facebook again you can give me a call and uh um I'll be I'll be more than happy to to help you uh put an application for that. Um 20 October is legislative delegation
meeting at 5:30 p.m. We plan on going to that. I know normally every year we go >> Yes, sir. We have filled out the speaker request form uh for the on behalf of the mayor and commission. So, and and for the community, if you never been to that, it's a good event
where you'll have the state rep um state representative Griff Griffiths and uh state senator Jay Trumbull there and uh be a lot of people advocating uh for certain things amongst us too. We'll be advocating for stuff also. So, um it's
at 5:30 p.m. at the Bay County government building. And then the last thing I had was um I had an idea of um creating like um morale coin and um I
wanted to put the the logo of the city on there and um I sent an email to Mr. Os about it and they said if you need to if you're going to use it, you have to get the permission from the commission to use it. Um, and kind of some of my ideas like, you know, if I see someone
in the community that I think is doing some great things, you know, give them a coin to say thank you for your, um, contribution to our community and what you do. And, uh, I just wanted to bring that up to you and see if you guys had
any issues or questions or with that. >> I think the >> I think the coin ID is great. years ago, I was given a coin by John Delane from the fire department. I still have it.
And uh I I think it's a great idea if you want to tie the community together. I think you know that I like coins in in the Air Force. So although I probably should have got more than I actually got, but hey, I'm not bitter or
anything. So, but uh with that, if if you don't have any questions, I'd like to make a motion to allow me to use the city logo on a coin uh to get made and uh utilized to to pass out to people when I see a
good deed done. >> Before we do that, do we need to do the proclamation to excuse the mayor? >> You can do that later. >> Okay. >> You've got a motion on the table. Address it now. >> I'll second. >> Okay. I can't. I got the gavl. not used
to it. >> I'll second to discuss. >> All right, Mr. Lightfoot, will you call the role? >> Discuss first. >> Oh, my bad. >> You're you're asking to um to do a to do a coin. Now, you're going to spend your own money on that?
>> Yes. >> So, do we all get to spend our own money on something like that? >> Yeah. I hope so. >> So, can we all buy a coin, too? >> Yeah. Like like I you I don't want you to be the special guy with all the keeper of the coins. >> Yeah. >> So So I mean I'll I want to chip in too
is what I'm saying. Jamie, >> well mine will have my name on it, but >> Okay. So if you want like >> Judy likes that getting your name on it. Look at that. Well, we we we don't we'd all do that if you put us on we'll we'll piggy back on your on your invoice if
that's okay with you. >> Yeah, I'm good with that. >> Get our names on them, too. So we can all do it differently. And we just don't want any of y'all coming back and throwing them at us at meetings or anything. >> And while you're shopping, you'll can you bring us back prices and quantities?
>> Sure. Yeah, I already got prices for what I was looking at. So, >> and how many are you looking at? >> I I was looking at ordering I think it was uh remember the cost was about $1,000. So, I think it was like 300 coins, something
like that. I'll put my name on yours, too. >> Well, I mean, maybe I can change the design up a little bit or something, but yeah. >> All right. Is there any further discussion >> for clarity before we go? I think
everyone has chimed in. They would like to use the coin, but I think the motion was just for Commissioner Warick to use the logo. So, you may want to add on for every commissioner to use the logo if we can do it in one motion or do we need a vote for each? >> You can do it for all if you're willing
to amend your motion to get commission. >> I'll amend my motion that if anybody wants to use it for a coin, uh, use it and I'm good with that. >> All right. Do we have a second for the amended motion? >> Well, he's got to take back he's got to
agree to it before we go on with that. Oh, I'm I'm totally agreeable. Even maybe if you went to like 500 coins, it might be less, but between all of us, you see what I'm saying? >> Yeah. Might be. >> Yep. So, let's let's haggle some more.
And I'll definitely second it. >> All right. >> You got to ask. >> Do we have any public commentary? >> Not about the coins, but we cannot hear y'all out there. if they can turn the mics up or something for the audience to be able to hear your discussions, it
would be helpful for the citizens. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> I feel like this project, >> it is about coins. Um, as an Air Force veteran, I I think this is a great idea. I love it. And, uh, it was really hard in the Air Force to earn some coins.
Some commanders were really stingy with their coins and you had to work really hard to earn it. So, I'm going to share a little story about you with my favorite coin that I have earned. And it was from the 50th Space Wing um mission support group commander. And I earned his coin for volunteering to be a part
of an all junior enlisted airman team to do wild cow milking at the Pikes Peak or Bust Rodeo. And I paid dearly for that coin by getting slammed into the fence by that wild cow. But I would do it again in a
heartbeat. So, I say you got you guys approve this. Do it as a whole commission coin if everybody's on board with it. I just urge you to be, you know, make us work for these coins. It's got to be something that people are really doing something special for the community. Um, you know, because that's
what we're we should be about is coming together as a community and doing what's better for the whole community, you know, not just anything. Just make it special. Thank you. I'll chime in as well. Uh I had the
privilege to command three Air Force units and those coins can and do make a difference. And after my military career was done, I've got a a big display case and every single one of those has a story behind it. Where I was at, who I pres was presented it by. As a squadron
commander, those are huge things. So would highly encourage it. As a guy who has designed many, many challenge coins myself, there are some great companies out there. I'll even volunteer to help you guys if you want. Um, you can have a side with the city of Linhaven logo on it and then you can personalize on your
back. Uh, and then even you can have myars. There are ways to even reduce the cost even further than the actual stamping the die struck coins. You could actually insert like a personalized personalized myar within a kinds of things you can do to have a standard bet
customized unique coin that you personally recognize somebody. The Air Force we call that an impact. Someone truly made a difference, made an impact. That coin in their hand, you just put it in dead in the eyes and do things for service. That coin, that two or three
dollar coin is worth a million dollars in terms of morale and pride. They'll carry it with them. Just like you said, Commissioner Fire, our chief's coin. >> Kudos. Good job. And happy to help if I can. >> Thank you.
All right. I love the coin idea as well. Michelle Basher's Louisiana Avenue. The only thing I was with an organization that individuals just gave out coins and there was a lot of hurt
feelings because someone would do the exact same thing and one person would get a coin and the other person didn't. And um so maybe as a commission you give coins and then bring them in and do it publicly in front of all of us so we can
all celebrate. Um and then there's some things you need to kind of be careful of. So thank you. >> Thank you. Any further public commentary? All right. We have a motion and a
second. Are you ready for the role? All right, Mr. Lightoot. >> Commissioner War. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Pero, >> yes. >> Commissioner Tinder, >> yes. >> Mayor Proton Peoples. >> Yes. Motion passed. Anything further, Commissioner War? >> That's all I had.
>> Thank you. All right. Moving on to Commissioner Tinder. >> Thank you, sir. I have a number of different items that I would like to discuss tonight. Um, two of them are for Kiki, so I'll wait until your report.
And, uh, I have to say I'm totally behind the Hawks Landing issue. This is something that's gone on for a long time and it should have been corrected a long time ago. just as the uh acting city manager
has been trying to help me with building permits that have been out for months and months and months. Um we've got to pick up the pace and you know make things better for our residents. So I just want to say publicly I am totally behind
lending situation. Um, I did some phone calling around today and yesterday to find out, and I'm not going to be popular when I say this, but
taking over the lights uh out there in Mil Bayou, um, in the mid 1990s, the city of Linhaven took over the streets and all of that in the
country Look, I have no idea what it cost. I only found two people that could even give me some idea of when that took place, and it was in the 1990s. I do know we pick up their trash now, so we're making revenue obviously.
Uh, we're collecting taxes. We're collecting taxes from those people. um the meal bayou project and I'm not going to say a lot until the gentleman gets up and speaks but um
what um but I I really want us to look at that because those people were boxed in in a situation there and um god forbid something happens to somebody. I've said
it for years. So hopefully we can um help make things work there. Um the other thing the you know the uh and Ben's not here tonight,
but the other thing about the uh do you all remember the license plate trackers that the CRA paid for? It was thousands of dollars. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Anyway, they're just planted in the
ground and they can take pictures of everybody's license plates. I don't know if all of a sudden, and if we are, I hope somebody tells me now. Are we having a crime spree in the country club? We're not, are we?
>> Not that I have heard or seen on the aftershift reports. No, ma'am. Okay. Then I would think we could move the one that sits outside of the entrance. >> That that's not a tag reader. That is a private deal that used to be on their
security whenever it was a an enclosed um or a private road and they had a guard shack and all out there. That's part of that. That's >> So it's not working at all. >> That's not the city. That's not one of the CRA tag readers that you're referring to. >> Okay. But is it still working? I am not
sure it's not the cities. >> Okay, I'll check into that. I'm sorry. I thought it looked just like a tag. >> Okay. >> While we're waiting for him, I think what is it about 15 $20,000 a year we pay on that for the tag readers?
>> Something like that. >> So, the tag reader, the entrance to the country club is owned by that HOA. It doesn't belong to the city. It is tied into our system, which is the same. It's all tied in with Bay County system. So that's it's tied in, but it belongs to
them. So you have to ask them if they want to move it somewhere. >> Okay. So, but it we pay for it. >> Pay for it. No, >> they can leave it right there for >> They share that information with us for free. >> Okay. Thank you. Um,
perception. I hate even bringing this up, but I have to say it out loud. Um, public perception is so so important to us as a commission. It's important to this city to represent the way we want
to be represented. And we have to respect the fact that everybody has a different opinion, but at the same time, um, as employees of the city, and there's like 200 and some now, we need to keep track of what things look like.
Okay? And I'm just going to say this. I'm not naming names at all. I was having breakfast last week at 9:30 and ran into three city employees doing the same thing. Now, I don't know. Maybe they go to breakfast and then brunch or lunch or whatever. I don't know. But I'm
just saying that the perception is not good. People come in and they go, "Whoa." And they all got shirts on and hats on and you know, everybody's having a good time. I just think the perception of that needs to be looked at. Um so
that so that we don't look like we're taking advantage of the people. Okay. The other thing, God, I feel like I'm a complainer, but I've had two weeks to write it all down. Um
about two weeks ago, a resident came to me and as a commissioner, I swore to uphold the Constitution. This resident came to me in confidence
wanting to hand over evidence regarding a police officer. And I said, "Okay." And I did it reluctantly, I have to say, because I'm thinking, "Oh, I
don't want in this mess." And um but at the same time, I felt like it was my duty. So anyway, we um got together. Uh Mr. Infinginger and Mr. Lightfoot decided that they did not want to investigate it, that it had to go to the
sheriff's department. So they gave me a number of a sheriff's employee. I called him. He came. He met with me and this individual. I went to the other room. Didn't want to even hear what they were
talking about. Um, and then it came back to me that she had not given them everything. So, I started again. You got to turn this stuff in. You got to turn it all in. Anyway, I just want to publicly say, and
I'll put this in an email to you, Amy, because I think I've already emailed some of this to you. I just want to publicly say here is the remainder of the evidence. It's absolutely everything that I have seen or have. And um I've um
talked to the investigator at the sheriff's department and according to him, he's given it all back to you all. That true? It's my understanding that he has closed his portion of the report. Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. Um
Okay. I'm not going to say any more about that, but uh I think it's very very important for our residents to be able to trust us. They have to or we shouldn't even be up here. There's no point.
Um, let's see. Two for Kiki. Really? Um, I think that's everything, but I'll wait for Kiki's report to get the other two questions out. and I appreciate it.
Thank you very much. >> All right. Thank you. Next, we have on the agenda the interim city manager report. >> Thank you, sir. Um staff has been working for the past several years on a safe routes to schools grant through the
DOT. Uh Ben did receive word last week that we are going to receive $499,000 uh for the safe safe routes to school sidewalk grant for the 1000 and 1100 blocks of Georgia and New York Avenue. So we will see those uh come through. We'll hopefully have the grant agreement
in the next few meetings for you all to approve and see that project come to fruition. We have received word that the Wyoming HMGP project has been approved for construction. However, the ineligibility um or we received inelig ineligibility for Acme Lane and Pine
Forest Estates drainage improvement projects. So, we will have to look at some other ways of grant funding opportunities or to fund that through the storm water department. Um the proclamation earlier, we do have city government week coming up. There will be coffee with the commissioners October 20th at 7 a.m. It's going to be
held at Wild Route this year and we're going to have the art show reception October 28th at 4 p.m. Halloween, the gym will close at 5:00 p.m. We've got the two fall concert series left. This Friday, we have PCB Eclipse and next Friday is Grateful Dad. So, come join us
in in the park here for our last two concerts. Hawks Landing, we will um look back at that. I know that was a couple years ago from the different plans and preliminary drawings. So, we'll get get back together with staff and reach out to you all and see if we can come up with a
solution that everyone's happy with. Um, one answer to Mr. Basher's uh the police is the general fund. So, even though it's shifted out, it's still the general fund. It's not really shifting any money um from the general fund. And the bank accounts mentioned in the report are
still under review and we will continue working through those, learning about those bank accounts, the processes of them and and what all um has been purchased out of those um through the past several years. Miss Roman, >> how can I
>> Okay, my first question for Kiki is um have we gotten a bill yet from Mr. Marcy for the 42page letter. >> Finance has not received a bill yet from Mr. Marcy. >> Okay, I'll keep asking you that one.
No bill received. Okay, then my next question. Panhandle engineering. Do we pay them a set fee every month? Because it seems like we do give them quite a bit of money every month. >> No, ma'am. It's based on the projects that they're working on. And the
contract you told me was five years. >> No, ma'am. There's the project the contracts were approved in 2015. There were no end dates on the continuing service contracts. Once we've hired the new procurement manager, one of his things that he's working on is an RFQ
for updated engineering um an updated engineering RFQ to advertise that. >> Okay. >> You remember we were talking about service contracts. This is one of them. And I brought up the audit agency and yeah. >> Okay. >> Part of that.
>> And who is the new procurement manager? >> His name is Corey Bracy. You met him a few meetings ago. I think believe it was a pre-commission meeting. >> That's all I have. Thank you. >> Can I answer any other questions? >> Yes. I believe Mr. Bashers had a
question of the >> It was Bill Smith electric. Um that one is our HMGP engineer uh HMGP generator project. It's the four generators at those station 2, three, four, and five. That was the final pay request. We received that. So the state actually
came out September 23rd, I believe, to do their final inspection. And then um our grants team will start submitting the reimbursements to get for that project. And the other uh question was a bentress, right? What is a bentress? of interest is the monthly u medical
benefits for the staff and let me assure you that I am reviewing the police accounts that has taken up quite a bit of my time. I do not have a final report for you. Just been reviewing. I do have um
a further work to be done. At a high level, there are currently three bank accounts with police money in them. There are not large balances. One has um let me get here. One has
$1,400 in it currently. Another one has $3,600 in it currently. And the third one has $595. We'll continue my research on what was spent and of the documentation that we
have and I'll get back to you at a later date. have specific questions about the policing. It's all for me. Oh, I'm sorry. We also have employee of the quarter. So, it's my honor to announce that communications and marketing coordinator
Ebony B, help me Burell, always just say Ebony, is our employee of the quarter. Ebony has been with the city's um communication and marketing group for two and a half years. It's been that long. It's gone by fast. She
has played a central role in planning, coordinating, and executing our citywide events that we all enjoy. She creatively approaches challenges, coming up with new ideas to keep things fresh and interesting for our citizens and guests.
She is dependable, punctual, accountable, and often works at various times to get the job done, including many evenings and weekends. Lastly, she continued to work on her own
personal improvement and growth by recently completing her master's in public administration from FSU while holding down the full-time job. For these reasons, Ebony represents the excellent crew of employees we have
working for the city, and that's why we're recognizing her as our employee of the quarter. Thank you, Ebony. [Applause]
[Applause] Also, I would like to um recognize her for the photographs that you put on. I feel like I've been to the event when I look at your photographs. Um and that last week, it was just this last weekend
we had that pumpkin painting thing over there. Oh my gosh, it looked like a 100 200 people were there and um talk about a great event. I mean, they were packed, but your pictures are amazing. Thank you.
Just add to that, Commissioner. I think there were closer to 750 in the park. >> They had over 600 um pumpkins and only came had about 40 left. So, lots of fun. >> Wow. Who sponsored that? >> That was one of our sports and wreck. Um
>> and w Okay. >> Well, they sure enjoyed it. Yeah. >> All right. Uh moving on to the city attorney's report. One thing I want to report um on behalf of myself and your insurance defense attorney, Chad Dunn,
we would like to hold an executive session with the commission to discuss pending pending litigation um with Phoenix Construction. Uh the substance of the the session will involve settlement negotiations and strategy um going forward if we're not going to move
towards settlement. Um, we'd like to hold that executive executive session next Monday, October 21st at 3:30 here. Um, the 20th. I have the right I have that wrong. Monday the 20th. Then um at 3:30
um we expect it to last about an hour, maybe two. Um Chad Dunn on behalf of um your insurance defense uh will be attending as well as Kevin and I, the commission, and we will have a court reporter. Um and I'll be sending a
notice to CJ to get published uh to put the world on notice of that. But I wanted to publicly invite you here uh before that happened then. >> Yes, ma'am. >> I have one question, Amy. Um, at what risk or I I can't believe
there's not a risk, but how much is the insurance company willing to pay out for all these lawsuits? >> I don't know the answer to that, but I suspect Chad will know and be able to advise you um if he knows um on Monday. >> Okay. Thank you.
Um, the other thing I would just add is you skipped agenda item number four regarding additions, deletions, modifications of the agenda, and I did prepare a resolution to excuse the mayor from this meeting that I'd asked that you approve before you get into the rest of your business. >> All right, cool. I was I noticed I missed that, too. So, I was going to ask
to put it in the consent agenda, but thank you for reminding us. So, uh, would anyone like to make a motion to excuse the mayor? Motion to approve. >> Second.
>> All right, we have a motion to approve and we have a second. Uh, any public commentary? >> All right. Uh, any discussion from the commission? All right. Uh, Mr. Lightfoot, could you please call the role?
>> Commissioner Wart, >> yes. >> Commissioner Perno, >> yes. >> Commissioner Tinder, >> yes. >> Mayor Pro Tim Peeles, >> yes. Motion passed. All right. Moving on to the consent agenda. Approval of minutes dated 092325
regular meeting minutes. The 1911 Plat residential paint program application at 1401 Mississippi Avenue. Declaring asset 431 as surplus and authorized staff to auction off on govdees.com.
and approval of temporary road closure of 10th Street from Pennsylvania Avenue to Highway 77 from no November 14th at 3 p.m. through November 15th at 3 p.m. >> Motion to approve. >> Second.
>> All right, we have a motion to approve and a second. Do we have any discussion on the consent agenda? >> Mayor Pro, real quick. Even though the the item doesn't include it there on the subject line of for 12, that road closure will also include Pennsylvania from 9th to 10th. Okay.
>> So, be it will be all be at the same time. >> I know I asked you this already, but do you want to say what it's for? So, that since we're talking about >> that is for our winter wonderland event, that is so the vendors can get set up prior to the event starting. >> It's a lot of >> what it was. That's good. >> That is one of the best events of the
year. Now, are you saying that 9th will be closed as well or just >> No, sir. It will be Pennsylvania from 9th to 10th and 10th Street from Ohio to Pennsylvania. >> There's a lot of booths. You got a lot of people coming.
>> All right. Do we have any discussion amongst the commission? >> Could I ask the sur uh surplus? >> Yes, ma'am. There there is a photo and the asset form there in the packet. It is one of the old Ford Expeditions. Yeah. From the fire department.
>> Red Ford Blazer. >> Vehicle's been replaced already. >> Thank you. >> Very sporty. >> Do we have any uh >> matches your shirt? >> Do we have any public commentary? All right. Mr. Lightfoot, could you call the role?
I'm sorry. Was there a motion from >> me? >> Okay. A second from Commissioner Perno. >> Commissioner War. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Pero? Yes. >> Commissioner Tinder. >> Yes. >> Mayor Pro Tim Peeles. >> Yes.
>> All right. Moving on to old business. >> This is a public hearing. So, do you have to before Chris starts reading the ordinance? Um, you're seeing this a third time because we're correcting a transmitt to the state. The ordinance
itself has not changed, but for the addition of an R to the ordinance number, which I recommended we add to signify to the state that this is um the same but different. Um we are reading this a third time. We have advertised a public hearing for you to read it again
um so that we can timely transmit it to the state this goound and get it approved and pushed through. >> All right. So public hearing opens at 659. Mr. Light, go ahead and read the ordinance. I think >> an ordinance of the city of Linhaven,
Florida, amending the city's comprehensive plan to implement the evaluation and appraisal report required by section 163.3191 Florida statutes. Amending elements to meet the requirements of section 163.3177
Florida statutes. Basing the amendments upon permanent and seasonal population estimates and projections published by the Office of Economic and Demographic Research for a 10-year and 20-year planning period. Amending chapter 1, the future land use element, goal one,
objective two, policy 2-1-04, adding group homes. Amending objective 10, natural resource protection policy 10-3, develop and maintain a stormwater master plan. Amending chapter 3 housing element to update policies. Amending
chapter 4 infrastructure element to update the level of service standards in goal one policy 1-1 and goal two objectives 1 through six continued provision of facilities to meet existing and projected demands amending chapter 5
coastal management element goal one objective three policy 3-6 to include the requirements of the deer protection zone and adding goal three objectives 1 through 7 preparing preparing adapting ing mitigating and managing climate
change impacts and compliance with section 380.093 093 subsection 3 Florida statutes related to sea level rise amending chapter 7 recreation open space element goal one objective one to update
population projections and facility provision amending chapter 9 capital improvements element goal one objective one policy 1-2 to update infrastructure level of service standards and updating objective 8 figure 9-1 schedule of
capital improvements for the five and 10-year planning period period, including projected revenue sources to ensure the availability of public facilities needed to maintain adopted level of service of service standards, providing for severability of pro of
provisions, repealing all ordinances in conflict herewith, and providing for an effective date. >> All right. Do we all have that memorized? >> All right. Uh, is there a motion for this? >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> All right. All right, we have a motion
on the floor to approve with a second. Is there any discussion among the commission? Any public commentary? >> All right, Mr. Lightfoot, could you please call the rule? >> Commissioner Warick, >> yes. >> Commissioner Pero, >> yes. >> Commissioner Tinder, >> yes.
>> Mayor Pro Tim Poples, >> yes. All right, moving on to item number 14. discussion and possible approval of resolution 202510 476 memorializing regular commission
meeting times. City attorney. >> So this resolution is in response to the discussion you had at your last meeting. It does three things. Um going forward um it states that each of your regular meetings will be held the second and fourth Tuesdays of each month beginning at 5:30. It provides for only one
meeting in November and se in November and December being on the second Tuesday at 5:30. And then it provides for a res automatically an automatic rescheduling of your Tuesday meeting where it falls on a federal holiday. >> All right. Do we have a motion for this?
>> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> All right. We have a motion to approve on the floor. We have a second. Is there any further discussion among the commission? >> Yes. Would you read it, Chris? >> Yeah, that's a resolution, isn't it? >> Yes, sir.
>> Go ahead. A resolution of the city of Linhaven, Florida, related to meeting times providing for regular meetings to commence at 5:30 p.m., two meetings a month except in November and December and one day postponement of meetings that conflict with federal holidays,
replacing resolutions or policies in conflict and providing an immediately effective date. All right. So, we have the motion. We have the second. We've said no further discussion or we do you guys have anything else to say? Do I have any
public commentary? Got one. Thank you, sir. I guess I'm part of the night club since we've got a club of people. Um, you just I was wondering who was taking attendance on how many people we had had
here tonight since we're going to start comparing, I guess. But, uh, no, in all seriousness, I think it's a good thing, uh, the availability of of people that was mentioned before. I think it's smart to move all the meetings to 5:30. So, I would encourage all uh to to vote for
this. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Great idea to keep a number, though. Uh, any further public commentary? All right, we have a motion on the floor with a second. U, Mr. Lightfoot, could
you please call the role? >> Commissioner War. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Perno. >> Commissioner Tender. Sorry, y'all started a pattern, threw me off. >> Um, yes, >> Commissioner Pero. >> Yes. >> Mayor Pro Tim Peoples.
>> Yes. And sir, before you get started on the new business, you may all see the agenda is a little different tonight. Um, we've talked about the transparency of the purchasing even though some items have been approved in the budget or all of these items have been approved in the budget already. We are bringing a
resolution to the commission for each of these items. Hopefully, as we progress into this new method, we will move some of these to the consent agenda. However, each purchase will have a resolution. If approved by the commission tonight, it will be signed and then it will be attached to the requisitions that the
appropriate department uses for the purchase of whatever good this is. >> Okay. Thank you. I got a question for the attorney. Kind of knew this whole gabble thing and I forgot to close the public hearing. >> It's okay. >> So, all right. >> All right. The minutes were reflected. We moved on.
>> All right. Thanks. I just want to make sure we're good to go. All right. Uh why don't we take a fivem minute recess before we get into the new business. So meeting is paused at 7:06. So, we'll be
back in 5 minutes. muted. Okay. Uh, disregard. I'm going to wait for I'm going to give us about two more minutes still. Ask is the sound better now? Okay. >> Get ready.
>> Okay. >> Testing. Testing. >> All right, everybody. Make sure you're talking really close in the mic like this. >> Testing. Testing. >> All right. Moving on to new business number 15. Uh discussion and possible
approval of resolution 202510477 approving a memorandum of agreement between the city and Bay County Sheriff's Office related to information technology support and use of the Bay County Sheriff's Office software in a
monthly amount of $5,71429. City attorney, >> let me have Chris read it first. Okay. >> A resolution of the city of Linhaven, Florida, approving a memorandum of cooperation or agreement between the city and the Bay County Sheriff's Office related to information technology
support and use of BCSO software in a monthly amount of $5,71429. >> Okay. So, this the agreement tonight actually is brought to you for two reasons. one, it as the staff finds purchases that have exceeded $35,000 and
require commission approval, they're trying to act and make sure that those purchases get in front of you. So, when this one was brought to me, I rejected it because it was between the sheriff's office and the police department, and the police department itself is not sooie jurist. The agreement needed to be
between the sheriff's office and the city. So, I reached out to the sheriff's office to get the contract revised to reflect the city as the proper contracting party. In all other respects, the agreement is the same as it was when it was first entered regarding the services and the price. It
has not been otherwise changed, but uh staff request its approval because I understand it is a necessary and good thing. I would defer to Chris or the acting police chief uh to speak about what it does if there are specific questions.
>> So, do you have anything to add to what it does? So, in essence, that's going to be basically our operating system. There are programs on there that we use. So it's um we used to use Tyler who I think
also um has munis which is what the city uses. So I guess kind of compare that what police would do. It's the way we operate. It's our reporting forms that we use stuff like that. So that's what this program is. We used to have Tyler years ago but we went with the sheriff's
office. Uh there's a few benefits that I'm not sure what the cost difference is, but um one of the big benefits of it is when we use the system that the sheriff's office has, Panama City's using it, Panama City Beach is using it, so we're all kind of interconnected. We can pull up reports and stuff like that,
which is before would take a lot longer. We can do things instantaneously. The other benefit for us is with the sheriff's office program, if we make an arrest, we can load complaints and booking sheets directly to the jail. It goes to the cloud. We don't have to hand
carry them down there like we used to. Um when C, let's say they're investigating somebody who's already in jail. if they are investigating a case and wind up charging that person who's housed in the Bay County Jail. In the past, they would have to type out a complaint affidavit, print it, drive out
to the jail and hand deliver it, whereas now they can upload it to the cloud and make a phone call. So, that's basically what the system does. >> Awesome. Anybody have any questions? >> I have a question.
Is the contract, and you might not be able to answer this, but is the contract drawn just with the sheriff's department, or is the actual sheriff, Tommy Ford, can he break this contract if he should leave? I mean, does that
start it all over or do they continue on? >> No, this is entity to entity. So, it's with the Bay County Sheriff's Office, not it's not specific to Tommy Ford. >> Thank you. Any further questions?
Thank you, sir. All right. Do we have uh Mr. Lightfoot, do you have anything to add? >> No, sir. >> Okay. All right. Let's go ahead and um Is there a motion for this? >> Motion to approve. >> Second.
>> All right. We've got a motion to approve and a second. Do we have any more discussion amongst the commission? I would like to say personally and thank you for finding this item and bringing it to us. Um I think it goes a long way showing that staff is going in and
trying to find things to bring before the commission. I appreciate it personally. Um and so I would like to say thank you for that. And so uh we'll move on to public commentary. You guys are uh right next to each other, so you're going to have to put like rock, paper, scissors or something. I'm just
kidding. We'll go with ladies first. Jerry Parker rep place. I have a question about um information about the $68,000 contract that Chief Remy had with Bay County Sheriff's Office. Anybody have any information on that?
>> This is the contract. >> This is it. >> Yes, ma'am. We're cleaning up the contract because the contract was between the sheriff's office and the police department. Whereas the police department is not its own entity like the sheriff's office. We the city have to have the contract. >> However, it was not approved by the
commission prior. It was done solely through Chief Remy. >> Right. So, this item is to clean up that contract. >> Thank you. >> Yes, sir. Um, I have no problem with this technology. Being a procurement guy, I think piggybacking off of other entities
contracts is a great thing. You save a lot of money that way. Sounds like it's a benefit digitally, too, to bring us into the year we're in 2025. I would hate to see the gas bill driving crap back and forth to the jail. Um, I do
have questions though because you guys are here to um I mean effectively you're not ratifying this because as Amy pointed out the other contract was between the police department and the city. So you're not even ratifying that contract. You effectively that one's
been terminated and it's being replaced by this one. So you're actually doing it what procedurally the correct way. But I do have a question for um Chris is one thing I know we had talked about was putting in place at at a documentation level justifications for single sourcing
contracts. Is that has that happened already? Has that been written up and filed for this contract action? >> So that will be what I think what you're referring to is our revision of our procurement policy and the soul source that you and I talked about. >> Yeah. Well, it's actually in the current
policy and there should be a memo or something to justify why this isn't being competed for. Has that already taken place and been written? >> I believe this one is there's only one sheriff's office in Bay County. So, >> well, I mean, like he said, there's another software. So, you would
basically in that memo, you would say, "Hey, between these two softwares, we're going to soul source to this entity because XYZ reasons." Like that's the fundamental stuff the community needs to have in these actions um to to fight
against fraud, waste, and abuse, to promote transparency. Um I I applaud your hiring of the new procurement manager. He has a background similar to me. I think he'll take the city to the next level. So kudos, Chris,
for making that selection. Um, that's the kind of stuff that we're going to be wanting to see. That's the kind of stuff that I'll be asking to see when I look for files. Um, so I guess just if we can make sure there's a memo in there explaining that for this purchase, I would appreciate that as a procurement
professional. Thank you. >> Thank you. Sorry, I didn't see your hand earlier. Well, this does Arlene Harrison. Um, this does sound like a program that I would be of great benefit to our law
enforcement uh community. And uh my question is after the hurricane, after the next hurricane, are we going to be without communications like we were last time or was this going to be covered with this kind of cover? You know, after
after the last hurricane, nobody could talk to anybody. And so if we have another hurricane, is this to have some sort of backup system? I must >> so this is totally unrelated to that but
since hurricane Michael AT&T has came out with a a sales service called firstn net for governments and we our sales uh provider is through firstn net so all of our city cell phones are on that service so fortunately we haven't had to test it yet but if we get go through another cat
5 hurricane hopefully it all works well >> I was assuming been taken care of by now but um and so this system would also be on there. >> No ma'am, it's totally different system. >> New system. Uh it goes back to that
42page document and this was from Mr. Marcy who was sitting here for a little while. It's on page 31. And so far you've spent almost4 $49,000
and last year you spent $68,000 and you had the the the chief of police thought he had signing ability. And I don't believe for one second that he didn't go to the
city manager, that she didn't know about this. So the whole thing goes back to a forensic audit. The state should be in here looking at everything because this has been going
on people from almost two years. Two years. That's a lot of money. And that's taxpayer money. And I'd like to know what is after almost two years the
return on investment. So I don't care that Panama City is doing it, Panama City Beach, etc. This is a bad look and it causes other people in other counties in other
municipalities to think they can do the same thing. This is a problem and y'all need to clean your shop up. Johnny Basher, 81 Louisiana Avenue. I am almost sure that I knew about this
cost and about this communication system prior to this coming up right now. I don't know whether it was a line item in the budget or if it's something that I saw somewhere, but I was aware of this. So, it's not been hidden in the dark as the everybody is a few people are saying
here. I'm I'm pretty sure I was aware of it. Um, it was a communication system to integrate with with all the sheriff's department and with other comm municipalities to make our response everything better. Um, so I was somewhat aware of this, I'm sure, before this.
So, whether it was in the budget, I can't tell you if it was a line item in the police department budget and I'm getting an affirmative that it was. So, let's not say it was a secret hidden somewhere. Maybe some signing authority wasn't there, but I seems like I remember the commission approving this
item back prior to this. But if if people want to rewrite history, we need to follow back and go back and look and get the correct information and not just innuendo and um perceptions. All right. Any further public
commentary? All right, we have a motion on the floor and a second. Uh, Mr. Lightfoot. >> Commissioner Warick. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Perno, >> yes. >> Commissioner Tinder, >> yes. >> Mayor Promples,
>> yes. All right, moving on to number 16. Discussion and possible approval of resolution 202510478 approving the purchase of a frontend
loader in the amount of $216,756.97 is a resolution. So, do you need to read it first or do you want to explain it first? >> Yes, sir. I'll read the resolution. Um, a resolution of the city of Linhaven, Florida, approving the purchase of an eight-W wheeled Kamasu front loader from Tractor and Equipment Company in the
amount of $216,756.97. This is part of um the storm water budget um in answer to Mr. Basher's uh questions about the uh front end loader, garbage truck, boom truck um and the water meters that is all out of our enterprise fund. So we operate
that money's rolling in every month, money's going out. So we try to keep it of course um money going out less than money coming in but yes or we are accumulating money monthly in those accounts to pay for equipment such as this. >> All right. Do we have a motion for this? >> Motion to approve.
>> Second. >> All right. We have a motion to approve in a second. Is there any further discussion? What department's going to be using this piece of equipment? >> Storm water. >> It's for the storm water department, >> which is the storm water.
>> Part of public works. They take care of the storm water coverts, the ditches. Um, >> okay. Thanks. >> All right. Any public commentary, Mr. Langford? >> So, I spoke with Miss Kiki before this. I just want to make sure this was a
reasonable request, but uh I I noticed on the agenda there were there there multiple purchases and and some of them have already uh budgeted in the fiscal year 26. Um what I would ask for going forward is is maybe consider since where
we just came from with the budgeting having to cut the budget to prevent raising the millage etc. is um all of these purchases would fall under three categories planned, unplanned, and emergency. Um emergency would be, you know, a lift station failed. That's an
emergency repair that has to happen, right? We couldn't we couldn't project that that expenditure. Um a planned expenditure would be something that that department or that organ that that entity had planned on um in in purchasing that piece of equipment for
that fiscal year's budget. An unplanned um would be um a piece of equipment that you know it's not necessarily an emergency um but we need it. Uh we just failed to plan for it. We failed to budget for it. I would ask that large
expenditures I don't know I'm not going to attach a dollar amount to it right now. But uh any of these large expenditures would would fall under one of those three categories as far as the agenda. So, at least we know um was this a planned or was this an unplanned uh
expenditure. Um as far as the the money for this coming out of the storm water fund, I don't I don't understand how the storm water I'm assuming the storm water assessment is buying the front end loader, but it's being used for what?
So, this impact fees from storm water is is actually purchasing equipment, but it's being used to load the dirt for the trucks that go and do the storm water uh covert replacements. We've got to haul dirt. Uh we've got to move ditch dirt around. I mean, it's used for a number of things.
>> So, the so money from storm water is and it's being used for storm water. That that was what I was curious about. Okay. All right. Appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> Correct. Yes. Assessment. All right. I kind I like that suggestion
on the agenda just to give a heads up. So, uh, any further public commentary? >> All right. We got a motion to approve with a second. >> Mr. Lightfoot, can you call the role? >> Commissioner Pero, >> yes. >> Commissioner Ward, >> yes.
>> Commissioner Tinder, >> yes. >> Mayor Promples, >> yes. Moving on to number 17. Discussion and possible approval of resolution 202510479 approving the purchase of a sideend load
garbage truck in the amount of $48,740 81. Like to read the resolution. A resolution of the city of Linhaven, Florida, approving the purchase of a Lebree atomizer Peterbuilt side loader garbage truck from Environmental Products Group in the amount of
$48,740.81. We have a motion for this >> motion to approve. >> Second. >> All right, we have a motion to approve in a second. Any further discussion? >> Yes. I have a question. Do we already have one of these exact pieces of
equipment that's not working? >> We have that are aging out. Yes, ma'am. We try to keep them replaced so we don't have to sink a bunch of money repairing them. >> Okay. So, do we have one right now that's sitting somewhere that's not being used? >> I'm sure we have one that's broken now and I would have to check with the guys.
They don't report everyone that goes down, but >> Okay. >> Are we under lease for one, too? >> We do have a lease. This will be replacing one of the leases. I can say from my time in the Air Force, it saves way more money to buy new items
and then to use them than to cannibalize old ones and continue to repair. You spend I mean depending on the size of the project, you spend thousands and thousands up to millions of dollars just in manh hours having to replace stuff. It makes way more sense to buy a new one
over time if you can. But anyways, all right. Um, do we have any more discussion among the commission? Any public commentary? Langford, I mentioned this before about the
garbage. So, you know, we're spending $400 something thousand on a garbage truck. You know, I think we might ought to look at, you know, should we look at at the city contracting one or two garbage companies to haul the garbage in
Linhaven? No. Okay. >> Yeah. I I just I just want to throw that out. I I don't know. I've not done a costbased analysis or anything to determine would it save the city money in the long run, but you know, I'm just just throwing that out there.
>> Sorry if I comment. So, I know um this is something I looked into quite detail. I think we've talked about this before where um I think this is one thing that Linhaven does better than any city in Bay County to include the county. By us doing the garbage residential garbage
service ourselves is why we're able to keep it as cheap as it is. Um a couple years ago, Panama City Beach actually had a special commission meeting just on garbage service. So, they're one of the cities that you have to go find a vendor to go pick up trash and you're talking
maybe six different vendors to pick from. Now, typically most of those people, they get two two garbage pickups a week. So, that means you could have 12 of those trucks going down your road, especially if it's a secondary road. It tears them up. Those, as Chris will tell
you or Mr. life foot will tell you those trucks are very hard on um um on the roads and it causes a lot of your roads to break down. You have to spend a lot more money on road infrastructure which is why we pick up
garbage once a week. So, by us doing it, you only got one trash truck coming down your road every week and it keeps down overhead and we are the cheapest when it comes to um the cost of trash pickup out of all Bay County. I've looked at it.
>> Anything I missed? Am I >> Sanitation is the healthiest of our enterprise funds. We have no concern when it's time to purchase a new truck or make repairs from the sanitation fund. And and not only that, uh, senior citizens, they get a discount, right? >> Yes, sir.
>> You know, so we I mean it's it does keep overhead cost down a lot by the way we do it. So I'll and I'll try to find the meeting. I want to say it was like in August of 2024, 2023, something like that. Panama City Beach had that meeting. It was a good discussion. So we do have drivers,
too, that will go and actually pull the can for some of our elderly residents that can't pull it to the road. So, we do offer a pretty good service for our sanitation team. >> Hey, when I first moved here, I got a well, I moved away when I was in the Air
Force, came back, um when I didn't realize I was doing my trash properly, they just gave me a little note, still picked it up for me, and then and then I corrected my mistake the next time. So, they do a pretty good job of of accommodating us. The last thing I'll
add is the reason Panama City Beach was having that special meeting is because they were spending so much money on their roads bec and a lot of it attributed not just to the tourism which definitely um is a big factor in it but those garbage trucks were a big factor in those roads just tearing up a lot
quicker than they are expecting. >> May I say something? And these I just want to clarify too. This vehicle is the one that picks up other than garbage cans. No, ma'am. This is just the garbage can. This is the side loader that picks up the residential cans.
>> Okay, that's it. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Yeah, the commercial side is all uh Waste Pro. >> No, we pick up >> No, no, the the dumpsters, you know, the big dumpsters. >> Dumpsters are contracted out through Wastro, >> right? Yeah. I'm talking about the trash
that mostly in the country club. So, you're referring to the the knuckle booms with the yard debris. >> Okay. >> This is not that truck. This is the side loader. >> There is a an item. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> There is an item for the knuckle boom
truck as well. So, we plan to purchase one side loader this year and one knuckle boom. >> Thank you. >> Further public commentary. >> Further public commentary. >> Um, a question about um Mr. War. You
said the trash trucks come through once a week. Is there any socioeconomic groups in the community that are getting twice a week pickups? >> A thing for anybody? >> Residential garbage? >> Yeah. >> No, sir. >> Okay. So, if a truck comes through twice a week, it's just because you're on the
edge of the zones and so maybe they just need to use your road to get through >> or a through fair, right? >> Okay. Okay. I was just wanted to clarify because I was like that trash truck definitely comes down my road twice a week but he doesn't pick up my trash twice a week but that makes sense if the
if nearby is on another pickup day you may need to use my road to get to that area. So okay thank you for clarifying. >> Yeah where I live I I'm on Tuesdays and I believe just three streets down is Thursdays or something. So just happens to be the zone.
>> Yes sir. >> Live uh 514 New York. Mark Brew Miller. Uh the secondary roads I've noticed are very uneven. So it puts a lot of wear and tear on these trucks. So that's another thing you might need to look at
in the future. I mean there's some dips. I see some of those trucks bottom out, scrape up the land. So that's a big problem because a lot of people put the garbage on the secondary roads versus on the main road.
So, I don't know. Is it could be one or other? >> Thank you. Good point. Uh, any further commentary? >> All right, we got a motion on the floor with a second. Mr. Lightfoot, can you call the rule? >> Commissioner Pero?
>> Yes. >> Commissioner Warick? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Tinder? >> Yes. >> Mayor Prom Peoples? >> Yes. >> Motion passed. Moving on to item number 18, discussion and possible approval of resolution 202510480
approving the purchase of a knuckleboom truck in the amount of $238,000 the resolution. So >> a resolution of the city of Linhaven, Florida approving the purchase of a Peterbuilt knuckleboom truck from Performance Peterbuilt in the amount of $238,000.
>> All right. Is there a motion for this? >> Motion to approve. Second. >> Any further discussion? >> Yes. Um, so this is the vehicle that picks up >> the yard >> and they call in for yard debris or
furniture or whatever. >> They also run route. So I mean there's a normal route and then that it does pick up special pickups as well. >> Do we charge for that? >> Special pickups? >> Yes. >> Yes, ma'am. It's part of the fee schedule. >> Okay. So we do charge for that. Do you
have any idea what we make on that a year? >> How much we make on extra pickups like that? >> There's only one revenue item for the sanitation department. So, any extra fees goes into the same line item. I
wouldn't be able to do that for you. I might be able to pro um have our utility billing department produce a report, but I wouldn't be able to give it to you today. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Any further discussion?
Any public commentary? >> All right, we got a motion on the floor with the second foot, can you call the role? >> Commissioner Pero, >> yes. >> Commissioner War, >> yes. >> Commissioner Tender, >> no. >> Mayor Pro Tim Pebbles, >> yes.
>> All right, motion passes. Moving on to number 19. discussion and possible approval of resolution 2025 10481 approving the purchase of a new set extreme duty fire engine in the
amount of 1 million 36,122 as approved by the commission in the fiscal year 26 budget >> a resolution of the city of Linhaven Florida approving the purchase of an extreme duty custom fire engine from
Sutin Corporation and in the amount of 1,36,122. Chief, is there anything you'd like to speak on this commission? Fire Chief Mark Johnson. This truck is going to be replacing a 1998 truck that we have in service right now.
that's very very unreliable. Um it's part of our plan to get new equipment in here um that's been just sitting around and failing us for the last several years. So staff has just recommended to approve this to so we can continue the purchase process.
>> Will will that old vehicle have any resale value? >> A little bit. >> Not much. The county has reached out to us to look at that to see if they might may be interested in purchasing and refurbishing. So they they're going to come look at it and they may be
interested in making an offer to us. >> I would love to hear the offer when it comes in. >> Yes, ma'am. >> All right. Is there a motion for this? >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> All right. Any further discussion from
the commission? >> I have to ask one more question of Kiki. Is this a sound financial move? >> Yes, ma'am. Uh we as fire chief said he has a very aging fleet and a 1998
engine is far beyond its useful life. It should have been replaced years ago. We are just so that you're aware you did approve this for us to use certax money to buy this. >> All right. Any public commentary? Mr.
Walker. Good evening. Sorry I'm late. I know you didn't miss me. Um, this is interesting because commissioner asked a question about how much you were going to get for it. I think it's already been traded.
>> No, sir. That's a different truck. >> It's a different truck. >> Yes, sir. >> Thank you. Uh this truck uh uh we're going to be paying for it and you're approving the payment, but it's already on site. >> No, sir. That's a different truck. >> That's a different truck.
>> Yes, sir. >> Oh, and of discussion. >> So, the first truck we received was a legislative appropriation the commission approved back in July or in August. The second truck is the purchase. That's
this one. And then we also will be purchasing a third rescue truck this fiscal year as well. >> Okay. Wii with these purchases, it goes this is a million dollars. Okay. We pay for it. Do we get reimbursed for that? >> No, sir. That's a different truck. The
first one the first >> different trucks here. >> The first legislative appropriation. >> Okay. >> That we that we've already purchased that we've already had the the dedication ceremony for. That truck has received. We will receive reimbursement for that truck. >> That's right. >> This truck was approved in the budget as
half cent sir tax money. We will purchase this truck. They will send us an invoice. We will pay that payment. There is no reimbursement for this one. It's our money. The third truck is a rescue truck. It was purchased with impact fee money. We will purchase that truck. Receive an invoice. We will pay it. We will not get reimbured for that
one. >> Okay, good. That straightens out the trucks. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Any further public commentary? All right, we have a motion on the floor with a second. Mr. Lightville, if you call the role. >> Commissioner War,
>> yes. Mr. Pero, >> yes. >> Commissioner Tinder, >> yes. >> Mayor Promples, >> yes. Motion passed. Moving on to item number 20, discussion and possible approval of resolution 202510482
approving the purchase of thermal imaging cameras in the amount of $77,920 as approved by the commission in the fiscal year 26 budget. A resolution of the city of Lhaven, Florida, approving the purchase of eight thermal camera cameras from Municipal
Equipment Company LLC in the amount of $77,920. >> Any questions for the fire chief? >> All right. Just a reminder, these items that we're purchasing are the items that we use in zero visibility to find people um when we can't see. Um they're the
cameras that we use um all the time during search and rescue for family members. >> Thank you. Is there a motion for this? >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> All right. We got a motion to approve by Commissioner War and second by
Commissioner Pero. Is there any further discussion? Uh, any public commentary? >> All right, Mr. Light, if you call the role. >> Commissioner Warick, >> yes. >> Commissioner Pero, >> yes. >> Commissioner Tinder, >> yes. >> Mayor Pro Tim Peoples,
>> yes. Motion passed. Moving on to item number 21. Discussion and possible approval of resolution 202510483 approving the purchase of 24 sets of bunker gear in the amount of $111,514.80
as approved by the commission in the fisc year 26 budget. Do we have any questions on this for the fire chief? Oh, >> resolution. >> A resolution of the city of Linhaven, Florida, approving the purchase of bunker gear from Municipal Equipment
Company LLC in the amount of $111,514.80. >> And how many firemen do you have? >> 24. >> Exactly. Oh, so if you hire another one, they're they're going to have to go >> Well, we have backup gear that would put them into until it's all custom gear, so
we'd have to order it. But we have gear that we can put new firefighters in. This is the gear that is part of a a state push to have a second set of bunker gear that does not have cancer-causing POS agents in it. So, that's why we're buying the second set. So, a firefighter would go fight a
structure fire. They would have all the carcinogens on them. They would get out of that gear. They would go back and shower and then have a clean set of gear that they could go into for the remainder of their shift. >> Wow. You already know that the gear has
cancer. Um, >> it's been going on for years that they've been doing research on this gear and the way that it's made has had some kind of it's called POS, which is a cancer agent. So, all manufacturers of bunker gear are now required to go to a
non-POS gear system. So, we're getting ahead of it and this will reduce the exposure to the firefighters to cancer over a longer period of time. >> Wow. Thank you. >> Yes, ma'am. >> All right. Do we have any more questions?
Is there a motion for this? >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> All right. We got a motion to approve by Commissioner Pero, seconded by Commissioner Warick. Is there any more discussion from the commission? Any public commentary?
All right, Mr. Lightfoot, if you call the role. >> Commissioner Perno, >> yes. >> Commissioner Warick, >> yes. >> Commissioner Tinder, >> yes. >> Mayor Proin Peoples, >> yes. Motion approved. Moving on to discussion item or agenda item rather
22. discussion and possible approval of resolution 202510484 approving the purchase of water meters and transmitters in the amount of 749,060. >> A resolution of the city of Linhaven, Florida, approving the purchase from Cor and Maine of water meters and
transmitters for the city's water water meter AMI program in the amount of $749,60. This is just part of our annual water meter and transmitter program. Uh we are approximately 6,000 meters as of Saturday that are on the AMI program. This is to continue purchasing those so
that staff can continue on with the installation until we finally get the piggyback contract from Panama City Beach to help out with the install. >> Are we still behind on water meters as far as people in their homes and stuff? Does everybody have a water meter? Yes,
ma'am. Okay. >> All right. Do we have a motion for this? >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Motion to approve by Commissioner Pero, seconded by Commissioner War. Is there any more discussion from the commission? All right. Any public commentary?
>> All right. Could you call the role, please? >> Commissioner Perno, >> yes. >> Commissioner War, >> yes. >> Commissioner Tinder, >> yes. Mayor Pro Tim Peoples. >> Yes. Moving on to item number 23. Discussion and possible approval of resolution 202510485
approving a 60-month contract with Sam SAR for the purchase of licenses, hardware, and accessories necessary for GPS units in the amount of $287,937. A resolution of the city of Linhaven, Florida, approving a 60-month contract with Sam for the purchase of licenses,
hardware, and accessories necessary for GPS units on city vehicles in the amount of $287,937. So, couple things on this. An answer to Mr. Basher's question about is this um worth it? Absolutely. So, it's on every vehicle aside from police and fire. It
can track where the vehicle is. It can it takes a log history of the vehicle's trip history for for the day. You can go back to any date and see exactly where the vehicle is. You can also run engine diagnostics on it. Tells you if it's been run out of fuel, the fuel consumption on it, if the vehicle's
idling excessively. Commissioner Tinder, you mentioned employees at breakfast. If you would call me when you see that, I can pull up on the GPS and know exactly who's there at what time. We've called employees that we had a resident call and ask, you
know, what what city truck was outside of my house. I saw it parked there, but I didn't see an employee anywhere. We able to locate which truck that was, and it was a water meter water meter reader who had just parked and was walking down the road and left the truck there. So, it is very handy to have this. Um, most
municipalities are now going to to this type of program. We've had it since 2021. This is just renewing the contract. And it is much more feasible to renew this contract than it is to go out to bid and purchase all new equipment, have to remove all of that equipment from the vehicles and purchase
all new software for staff to use. >> Yeah, I know. When I sat down with Mr. Lightfoot preparing for the meeting and uh I asked him about this, he had it right on his phone and he he showed me gave me like a quick demonstration of how it works and it's it's pretty
impressive. So it it definitely pays for itself. >> I believe that myself, Miss Hodes, and Brian Roberts with Fleet can see the entire city and then each department head can see their respective department and where their vehicles are.
It also I'm sorry, it also has cameras on the uh garbage trucks. So, if someone calls in and says that they their can has been missed, we can pull it up, see that the can was not there or see that the driver did miss the can. And it's also been used in some wrecks uh for the
the dash cam on some of the the garbage trucks. >> Not only that, don't they use that to see if someone's got more cans than their actually are in their account? >> They use a physical count for that. But yes, or they can they could utilize that if necessary. >> All right. Do we have a motion for this?
>> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> All right. Motion approved by Commissioner Perno, seconded by Commissioner War. Do we have any further discussion from the commission?
Any public commentary? All right. Uh, we'll start with Mr. Walker and then Mr. Scay. question. 287,937 for a 60-month contract. Is that the total price for the five years? >> Yes, sir.
>> Thank you. >> Um what's the total fleet count that this is going on? Like how many vehicles roughly? I believe last count we had total of like 213 pieces of equipment. As far as vehicles, I'm sorry, 263 pieces of equipment, including vehicles.
That was trucks, back hose, excavators. Uh we have a few of these on some of our bypass uh trailer mounted bypass pumps. We have a few on some of the more expensive lawnmowers. Um I could get an updated count, but last time we we looked at that was like 263. Okay. So
everything except for police vehicles, >> police and fire >> there. Any um tracking mechanism for those? >> They have their own um tracking mechanism that is ran and dispatched. Um >> like we're able to like verify because this came up in a community once that
like officers were taking their vehicles. >> But that is a police function. You do not want police vehicles on a Sam Sarah um software that can be easily hacked and people would know what >> we do have a system to know if like for example >> the police department has their own. >> I'm not saying this is the case but if one took one on a weekend in Mexico
Beach we would know that. >> Correct. >> Okay. Um and then also are there you said there's cameras but they're only on the garbage trucks. >> Yeah, there's very few of the pickup trucks that have a camera. There are a few uh but that is a more expensive item. So, we just have those in the in the uh garbage trucks and the knuckle
booms. Um I think there's like five or six total pickup trucks that actually have the cameras. >> Okay. Um and then also is there um is there a window of time in which employees are allotted within their workday? A specific window of time for them to take meal breaks?
>> Absolutely. >> What is that time? >> It varies by department. Um some guys take their lunch from 11:30 to 12 that have a 30 minute. Some do 12 to 1 if they have an hour. It just depend varies by department. >> Okay. And what's the earliest anybody
works accepting the police and fire >> on a normal day? >> Yeah. >> 7 to 4. >> 7 to 4. Okay. Thank you. >> Any further public commentary? All right. We have a motion on the floor with a second.
Mr. Lightfield, if you could call the role. Commissioner Pero, >> yes. >> Commissioner Wart, >> yes. >> Commissioner Tinder, >> yes. >> Mayor Pro Tim Peoples, >> yes. All right. I have a question for the attorney. Since the way these next few uh agenda items are listed, it says
discussion and possible approval to authorize the mayor to execute a task order. Do I just replace that with mayor prom or do we have to table these until the mayor is here? Okay. >> No, you don't have to table and the
mayor is coming in to sign, so no amendment is necessary to the motion. >> All right. So, I'll just say it as is and then he'll sign it. Perfect. All right. Item number 24, discussion and possible approval to authorize the mayor to
execute a task order with panhandle engineering in the amount of 146,399 and0 cents for lift stations 11 and 47 improvements. >> Yes, sir. So, lift station and 11 lift
station 11 and 47 have both been on our capital improvement list for some time now. If you recall, lift station 47, we had an emergency repair back in fiscal year 25. We were able to do the the piping at that time inside the station to to make that repair. This will include new pumps, new panel, and lift
station 47 will have a new force man that leaves lift station 47, travels down Sixth Street, makes a new tie-in. It will eliminate how it is now currently tied into lift station one, and that lift station search charges constantly, especially during high flow events. So, it will help the flows
better in that area. Lift station 11 we bid out back in 2023. It's at the corner of Texas and I believe that is 11th Street and we could not afford the the change or the upgrades at that time. But that station is also in dire need of
repair and this is just the engineering for that. Once the plans are complete, we will bid the project out and bring back the to the commission for award. >> All right. Do we have a motion for this? >> Motion to approve.
>> Second. >> Motion approved by Commissioner Pero, seconded by Commissioner War. Is there further discussion from the commission? >> Yes. I wanted to just know, do you have the bidding process or what what can handle
bid for this and who was the second? >> We have continuing service contracts. So this is part of their continuing service contracts. >> So they can bid whatever they want. >> No, ma'am. There's guidelines to it. I believe state statute now is 4 million of construction cost and 500,000 in
engineering fees, I believe. But can review that to to be sure, but I believe that's what the new statute is. >> Any further questions or discussion? Any public commentary? I just don't understand why you're still using
>> I just don't understand why you're still using panhandle. you know, you you had a deposition. Uh there were some things that went on with Panhandle. Uh
I don't understand it. And just for the record on page 31, it was clear that the sheriff's contract did not come before the board. It was signed. It was over
the $35,000 threshold and it did not come before the board. Page 31 of the 42page document that this city now has to pay for. >> Any further public commentary? We'll say I don't think anyone's
disputing that last statement. I think uh we that was the reason we brought it forward was because of that. Um all right. So, if there's no further public commentary is the uh comm Wait, dude, I'm getting
so fatigued. This is a long meeting, guys. Holy cow. All right, Commissioner Lifo, would you call the rule? >> Yes, sir. Commissioner Pero, >> yes. >> Commissioner War, >> yes. >> Commissioner Tinder, >> no. >> Mayor Pro Tim Peoples, >> yes. >> Motion approved.
>> All right, moving on to the next one, which is number 25. discussion and possible approval to authorize the mayor to execute a task order with Deubberry Engineers in the amount of 50,87181 for the Merrick entrance drainage
improvements. >> Yes, sir. This was also another emergency repair back in fiscal year 25. We hired a contractor to come in. The road was starting to cave in at on Arthur Drive right at the Merrick entrance there. There's a storm water crossing. uh the the concrete pipe had
started separating. So, we made the emergency repair back then. We plan to budget this fiscal year to design it and get a preliminary construction uh estimate and we will bring that before the commission. We do not have construction dollars in the budget right now, just the design. So, this is just
to get that designed. >> All right. Do we have a motion for this? >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> All right. Motion approved by Commissioner Pero, seconded by Commissioner War. Is there further discussion by the commission?
Mayor Proton, this is also uh utilizing a continuing service contract for engineering. >> Thank you. Public commentary. All right, Mr. Lightfield, would you call the role? >> Commissioner Pero, >> yes. >> Commissioner War, >> yes.
>> Commissioner Tinder, >> no. Mayor Pro Tim Peeles. >> Yes. Motion passed. Moving on to item number 26. Discussion and possible approval to change and transfer the street lighting to the city of Linhaven
from the Mill Bayou HOA. >> Yes. We recently had a request from the villages of Mil Bayou for the transfer of their street lighting. Um they're currently their contract's about to end with Florida Power.
I did contact Florida Power and said and asked them what our lights would cost. We've only approved like three types of lights. When they initially started the development, they use lights that we weren't approving. That's why they took
them over theelves. So, Florida Power did reach out and said, you know, if you use this particular light that you normally use, the cost could be reduced to 1,200 a month. So, it's really, I guess, the board's
decision whether you want to take over the lighting in there or not. All right. Um, so I know this is kind of a hot topic, so I'm just going to open it up with discussion first and talk about it, ask questions, then we'll have
a motion. There are people in out in the seats that have put their name down for public commentary. So, we'll let you go first and then if there's any more public commentary after that. So, um I guess my question would be if this is approved, the city will be
responsible for the approximate $1,200 a month. >> Correct. That covers the installation, the monthly maintenance, and the monthly power for the lights. >> Okay. And as of right, >> they're currently paying little over 2500 a month for that
specific type of light >> and we're currently paying zero. >> We're not paying anything. If we did it and changed it out, it would run 1,200 a month >> to us >> with our approved lights, >> right?
So, uh, here's my opinion. Um, that's this is the equivalent of a government buyout, and I'm I don't like it. I will say this, uh, I think there's an agreement that we can come upon. I think there's a fair compromise that
somehow if you know we allow the lights to go to the $1,200 a month and they pay the $1,200 a month, that's still cheaper for them. So, at the end of the day, that's a win for them. That's less money if we can figure out a way to do that.
>> Well, they might be able to negotiate with Florida Power and get the same lights, >> right? So, if we can go figure out a way to get them to they still pay the 1,200 and not us, I'm fine to work with them on that. As far as us just taking it
over, we've already cut out Halloween and and some other things because we got a tight budget. I don't think it's the time to take over someone's lights because of a decision they made years ago. So, I think this is going to open up a can
of worms where other subdivisions will look at, well, can they take this over? Can they take that over? Like drainage and storm water ponds, lighting. Um, I know the one you're talking about with the country club, um, from my
understand, actually our historian might be able to tell us. From my understand that was pretty heated discussion and it was a split vote when they approved the country club road, turned it over the city. >> It was >> I heard it was a 3-2 vote.
>> 3-2. So, um I just think it opens the doors to other things and uh we are in a a state of budget constraint at this time and uh yeah, I just don't think it's a good idea.
>> I was contacted by another subdivision about this same thing today >> and but I did not respond back waiting for this conversation. And Bobby, just for the record, the only two subdivisions left that we do not take care of is the villages of Mil Bayou and
Woodrun. Correct. >> Correct. >> Wood Run subdivision on 26th Street. >> So the streets, we take care of the streets at Mil Bayou. >> Yes, ma'am. >> About 120 homes plus. >> The streets. Yes. >> Mhm.
Do we pick up garbage there, too? >> Yes, ma'am. >> So, do they pay us taxes? >> Yes, they pay taxes. Thank you. I >> think I know where you're going with that. And I also pay taxes and I don't
live in Mil Bayou. So, I'm going to go I I know where we're going with this. And just to just just to say don't like it either, but we got to look at we we take care of the rest of the
city, right, Bobby? everywhere else but these two subdivisions. >> Correct. >> And we're the city of Linhaven. If we're going to grow, there's there's Grants Mill, there's Derby Woods, there's these other divi developments out here. And
and Woodr Run is in Linhaven proper, but we we need to take care of our jagged edges. And and I'm looking at a a bigger picture. It's like we need to we need to think about the services that we have and the and and get people to join
Linhaven, not go against Linhaven. And >> this will say this this will just send a message that we're not ready to add anyone else to our to our you know to Linhaven and which should be the opposite. So that's all I'm saying.
Well, I would like to piggyback on that and say in a vacuum I agree except for the fact that >> say we're on hard times and this and that, but we're we're you're you're taking a very myopic view of this as far as if you wanted to annex other places
and go on. We're we're we're taken care of now and I understand that. But in the in the big picture, in the long run, we're we're kind of turning our back on some other things. >> Yeah. But the thing here is that Milbayu
was told ahead of time that they shouldn't use these lights from my understanding and then they did anyways. It's not if we were to annex in someone else, we would give them the opportunity. >> This was done. This was all done through a development agreement. >> Right. You're preaching to the choir. I understand everything that's going on
there. And I know where we're going with it. I'm just saying it just just doesn't look good to grab on to other to other neighborhoods. >> We we didn't force them to sign up for it. >> Mhm. You know what I'm saying? >> One of the things that concerns me even more than this street lights is the fact
that we don't have any of Linhaven Police Department out there helping keep this traffic out of there. That's more important. I mean, >> yes, police patrol out there. >> Yes, ma'am. >> How many police officers are there every day? Well, we only have typically three
on shift to handle all of the schools. So, we can't have every officer out there, but we do have officers when necessary out there, right? >> So, one a day. >> It just depends on the day. >> Okay. That's what I'm being told. Sometimes there's never any police there and and they park in a way that the if,
god forbid, if an ambulance or a fire truck had to get down that road, they would not. >> You know, then we'd have the same situation we had for David here. they couldn't get past the school thing and house burned to the ground. Um
I I was at that first commission meeting when we held that out there. So my heart really goes out to these people. I guess they could all move, you know? I mean, that's always their option. They can just move. Um but it they're trapped.
Any way you look at it, they're trapped. There there is now two roads into Mil Bayou now that Men's Branch Road is completed. So it's not just one way in and one way out any longer. >> And what are the two roads? >> Men's Branch Road. >> The one that just opened me
>> by >> It's only been open for about a month. >> Okay. >> Does that go out the back of the development? >> It goes out to the side. >> Okay. >> Toward that other housing development. >> Ties it into Titus Road.
>> Yeah. Thank you. >> Is there something we can do to help them get the other lights so that their bill is lower, but we're not responsible for paying for it? What can be done there? Cuz that because to me it sounds like the issue is that
it was the wrong type of lights and that's why it costs more because >> Well, I mean, we could speak with Florida Power and see if they'd make them the same deal if that's what you're referring to. >> I would ask Miss Myers to weigh in though. We do not need to be the negotiator for the subdivision to the
the FBA to the power company. We do not need to be the middleman for their negotiations. >> I would agree with that. >> Well, the developer is here, isn't he? >> The HOA president. >> The HOA president, >> Mr. Dosa. Yes, sir. >> Okay. This he's the newest president out there,
>> which I think >> I'd love to hear from you and how you feel about it. >> Try to keep as quick as possible. So yes, Mil Bayou had a developer and he started back in 2014 and initially they had to have a lot of these decorative
lights in order to entice people to come to the community and eventually was like, you know, 510 now 133 with 10 more town homes coming coming on board. So what we have done is we've actually had the the lights for the entire boulevard for many many many years which benefited
North Bay Haven as well as the new Arbor uh Arbor Trace Apartments in Mil Bayou. you asked us, the commission has asked us for citizen action. So, we went to the TDC. We took advantage of that to get more money for transportation and then the roads and things of that nature. We're now at a point after
reducing the amount of lights that we have as well as changing the fixtures out. You know, we had that initial obligation the developer did to have those decorative lights. We worked in conjunction with uh Mr. Baker. >> Yes. >> With Mr. Baker and Florida Power and Lights in order to take take those out
and have the standardized uh city lights. And so like a lot of the things that you know we think about you know the HOA and I hear that you know HOA is like a secondass or no class but believe it or not yes we pay taxes all storm
water we are not exempt unless you guys are going to exempt us from all of those taxes. You can't. So we've been paid, you know, faithfully paying for over 10 years into, you know, the fund in order for this moment for the responsibility and the agreement to be executed where
those lights are turned over in the best possible manner, in the most compliant manner that the city would accept. And so, you know, we have partnered with North Bay Haven. We have allowed them to use our not even our streets, they're public streets. So when we call law
enforcement to kind of help us like, hey, we have people on there's nothing an HOA can do. can't tow anything unless they're parked in the grass. So, we're kind of caught up in this. Now, our initial cost was, I think, like $2,700 a month is what we pay for those decorative lights to bring people to
Linhaven. And so, we even downgraded because it was like $3,500 initially. And so, we've reduced it down as much as we can, but unfortunately, the Florida Power and Life, previously Gulf Power, those rates have raised. And so, we have exorbed those costs for quite some time
with very little asking back. Now we're just saying let's honor that agreement. Let's get this back over to Lin Haven because all those things drew people in. It got the Arbor Trace. There are people over on that backside with uh more Dr. Horton homes. People are you used ours as a model to make other homes where
there's down Ko Road looking at our community. The way it's designed, the way it's laid out. Uh unfortunately, and I'm not trying to dog our developer, he seems like he's a good man, but he doesn't have deep pockets. He has pockets with holes in it. So if we ask him to fix things and do things, it's it's very difficult for him to do that.
So essentially it's it's down to the the people of Mil Bayou, you know, patiently waiting. We were asked like, "Hey, would you all take, you know, these lights?" And it was it was not no, it wasn't yes, it was just wait because we didn't want to get between the third party between us with our executed contract for the
HOA as well as Florida Power and Line. We had to wait for that to expire to get to this point. So, we have patiently waited and we are here to just say out of 133 residents with 10 more uh town homes and about, you know, 240 people we're trying to represent here, we are
on the outskirts of Lyn Haven, please don't don't forget about us. And I know you all had the forethought to even think about considering taking these lights. We've I've been a lifelong Linhaven resident. My wife is born and raised here. You know, I love being a
Linhaven resident. I have fought worked with your planning commission to find out how do I change my city from Panama City to Linhaven. That's how much I appreciate the Linhaven image y'all are talking about. You're talking about citizen action. You're talking about
image. We are doing it. So, we went from here to the county to the state to the postmaster of Florida to allow us to change our name to Linhaven because we are proud Linhavens. We're not asking for a handout. We've been paying in the
entire time and us as citizens, we have showed up multiple times. Yes, we were not happy, but ultimately we accept what the commission has done and we have done whatever we can reaching out to these different commissions to say, "What can we do? What do we need to do to help?" And here I am writing the letter,
pleading our case. You know, I I'm not this I'm an IT guy. I I don't understand how construction or how law and things like that work. I work in cyber security. What I can tell you is we communicate effectively. We've worked with all your different agencies very effectively. I appreciate the forethought. Mr. Lightfoot and the
commissioners here as well their officials have worked with us with the traffic concerns for uh North Bay Haven. We didn't sit there and scream and rant. We work with you. So, we believe in this partnership between us and we think that we can, you know, we think this is a
good a good buy. $1,200 a month is is outstanding. And then again, it's not like we're exempt. We are still paying in to the fund to help out. So, we are not looking for a handout. We're just looking uh for our fair share and be treated just like every other citizen that's paying taxes. Thank you. Penny
and further questions. >> I have one question for you. Is it true, and I just heard this so I haven't checked it out. Is there one street light per house or how far apart are they? Uh there's approximate there originally was all street lights that we paid for
from Mil Bayou from the 3 390 all the way to the beginning of the community and maybe uh the first block of Mil Bayou that that original shore shore view. As we have grown when our contract moved, we took those lights and we
spread them out throughout the community to make it more lighted. And so what that did was it it made our our neighborhood much more inviting. So the North Bay Haven, they have their track people run through there when they did Hokco uh just a month ago. They were able to go later at night and they have
that that safety and that comfort and a welcoming neighborhood to allow people in. And so again, we we haven't had an incident for for traffic or anything of that nature because of those lights that are in place. So, we have I think about can't recall I want to say it was like
maybe 48 lights or something of that nature. Uh we were going to trim some of them down like on the boulevard because we we knew those were really close but some of that was inherited from you know the original installation. Any other further questions? >> Um no I was just going to say uh I
appreciate your professional tactful email. It was very uh well written and I don't want you guys to think that if we don't approve this not we don't love you guys u it's it's a difficult decision because to me once we make this decision
what kind of can can of worms we going to open with other subdivisions you know what are they going to come with and ask and I know >> it came to us before if I'm not mistaken or you might know where the lights over by the school and and I think that was
even part of the devel part of the development agreement, but we decided to take those ones over, >> right? We took it over right in front of the school up to the little bridge crossing. So from there to 390, >> right? We decided to take those ones over.
>> So all right, thank you. >> I have a question. So when when you said that you were paying in, are you saying like just paying every month or do you have like a pot of money sitting there? essentially, you know, when we started back, you know, in 2014, I moved into
the neighborhood in in 2018, you know, that that neighborhood is very appealing and there was probably about maybe 15 or 20 houses, you know, might have got to, you know, 30 at that point. But what what was your question one more time? >> You said that you have been paying in
>> as in city as even though we are the city, the Panama City initially, we've always been taxpayers for Lin Haven. >> Okay. So since the inception, we have always been Lin Haven. And that's why I went around to try to correct with the with the postmaster, with the county and everybody to state that, you know, we
can change and utilize the Linhaven name for the city for our addresses. So for every assessment, impact fee, um, storm water, whatever it was, we have everything everybody else is feeling, we're not immune. We we feel the exact
same thing. And so just as much as we can say, you know, you know, for this small community, we can we can burden them with this, you know, you can move that decimal point and say, hey, well, 20 something thousand, you know, Linhavenians, they they can they can absorb just as much. So no matter whether you know, you approve or you
don't approve, the budget's going to is always going to go up. Even even in these tight times, it's tight times even for us. And so what we're asking is just to take this burden on, help us with that agreement and uh take over the city lights because you know for us in the
HOA we will take care of whatever we need to as the HOA but since we have no enforcement ability for the for the streets it just ties our hands. So thank you for the question. What is it that we is there anything that we can do as a city to help them get their cost down to
the 1,200? Because to me that's fair. Is that so? >> So So that's my question. >> We we are not the entity that decides the cost. That is all through FPL. So we know what our cost would be if we take the lights over at the 1,200 per month, but no, we do not know what their cost
could get down to for that. >> So when I guess I should rephrase that. So do they already have the standard lights that they need or is it still the old lights? >> No, it's still the old lights. >> So if we were to help them get the standardized lights, that would probably bring down their costs.
as in if they were to get the same lights that the city would require, what would their costs be? That is something they could ask FPL. Yes, sir. >> We have We have not received anything back from them. >> Okay. Thank you. Any more discussion from the commission?
We take a vote. All right. Is there a motion? I'll go ahead and do it so it falls dead. Motion to approve. >> I'll second so that we can have public commentary. Well, I can't mo here. >> Yeah. All right. I'll second it so that
we can have public commentary. I have Ryan on the list first and then I'll get you next, Mr. Langford. Yeah, I pre-registered for this one. Um, very adamantly against this. He makes convincing arguments. I'll give him
that. Um, so I just want to read one member of the community um said, "I'm not against sharing cost if we have it within our budget to do so without raising HOA dues or levying a special assessment. The villages of Mil Bayou had more than threequarters of our neighborhood moved into a high-risisk
flood zone last year, and now I had to take on a flood insurance policy I wasn't planning for. also had my property taxes go up as well. Not Lin Havens, though. You guys did great with that. It's uh assessed value and everybody else's taxes, millage rates that they increased. Um don't really
feel like taking on another unexpected cost of ownership. And that's kind of where it sits with me. Like I said earlier, it's $9 a month for each of these 133 properties. Uh Miss Tinder, it's 50 lights according to the city map that was provided. That's 2.66 houses
per light. That is a better ratio than I have in my neighborhood. If you guys were to approve this, I look forward to getting more lights in my neighborhood and better lights at that because we, like he said, we all pay in. Now, if you guys want to consider bridging the gap
like Sam pointed out, one question I have is in this development agreement, what was the impact fee and how much of a lower impact fee did they get by taking on the lights themselves? Is that data we know? >> There is no impact fees for lights. So, they didn't get any kind of discount
with the city for this? >> I mean, I was not here at this that that time, but no, I do not see how they would have gotten a discount. >> Okay. So, really, it's between the members of the HOA and the developer. Um, so what I would want to see here tonight is I would want to see this
commission um resend your motion motion to table it. He said they're waiting on data from FPL. Give them that courtesy, get that data. Maybe they'll get the same $1,200 offer that the city got. I think if FPL is being fair, they'll offer the same thing. They
should take on that $1,200 for three or five years. That'll be about $72,000. It'll take a lot less time for the city, the rest of us, to recover that amount if they fork it out for for a few years. If we take this on right now, it's a
little under $2 per property that we're all paying for their lights. that we don't have in our own neighborhoods. And it will take 292 years for the city to recover that. My great great grandkids don't care to pay for their lights. And
I'm just going to say that for them. Um I mean 1,200, get the same deal. Just cover it for at least five years. Let the city dig itself out. I mean, we just passed a millillage. Now, now you're talking unbudgeted costs again. So
figure out your own lights and take it on for a few years and then come back. Hell, maybe I'll be on the commission by then and I can vote yes on Mr. Langford. >> Yeah, this is uh it's tough. I mean I I I still stand where I where I said
before this is not the city's problem to solve. If we're saying that a taxpayer, are we saying that street lights are an essential service now? That if we're paying taxes that you have to have street lights because that's what it sounds like. I'm I'm with Mr. Scray. I
mean, I look, I look down Louisiana Avenue where I live and uh Mr. Freddy across the street, he's got a street light that he pays for it faces his house, but I think there's one street light on my street. You know how many kids we've had hit?
None. How many issues we've had on my street? None. If there's a car parking issue on the street, I don't see how a street light resolves that. Number one. Number two, we have ordinances in place already
in the city that the law enforcement can enforce parking if it's blocking the street for emergency vehicles. So, that's a non-issue. Um, again, I'll say it from from the start. This is not the city's problem to solve. I feel for
those people that they don't have street lights. When's somebody going to start feeling for me? Because I don't have street lights either. So, um, that's that's kind of where I stand on it. Um, you know, like I said, I did ride by and and I'm glad Ryan did
the math on it because I was about right about it was a street light about every third house over there. Um, I'm not a math genius. I can tell you that if you can't tell by how I talk. Anyway, um, I agree with Ryan. This is a it's a it's a
no-go. Either vote it down or resend the motion and and pause it. I really don't even think we need to vote on it right now. I think it's a little bit early in the process. They don't have the data. Y'all don't have the data. And I agree with Mr. Lightfoot. We do not need to be the negotiating arm between an HOA and
FPL. Thank y'all. You know, I've lived at my house for 28 years. Dead end road. I don't have a street light. Um there's the near street light is I guess about 3 400 feet at least from my house. Um but I don't have
a HOA either. This is an HOA. HOAs exist for a reason. This can be one of them. If I wanted to be in an HOA and have a street light, I might be able to do that, but I don't I don't want to be live in a HOA. You choose to live where there's an HOA. There's benefits to that, and this is one of them in my
opinion. Thank you. >> So, the the only other question I have is when we talk about this agreement, why would why would the chief infrastructure person even consider taking these lights? I think I might be missing that one piece. Would you all
when you all talking about, you know, hey, the commission's been talking about possibly uh taking these lights. Why would that even be a consideration? In other words, talking about this agreement, I I heard about it, but I don't even know anything about it. Could you explain what that means that there was originally an agreement with um the
developer? >> When the developer first approached the city, he approached it as a TND development. in that TND development, they specified certain street lights and spacing and
they were told back then that if you want that, you can have that, but the city will not pick up the cost for those lights. If you want something special, you can pay for them. And the developer agreed to that and that's how we got here.
So he was adamant about putting in those specific lights and spacing, >> right? But it's still not a light that we typically approve, >> right? I I don't have a problem at all tableabling it until they can get the
cost. >> That's what I'm >> so we can compare apples to apples. >> Yeah. I'm going to resend my motion and ask that we table this until we can uh reconvene and and make a decision based
on on data. And hopefully um there's a there's a way that FPL might come through for you all at a at a rate similar to ours. So let's hope for the best for everybody. You got to resend your second. >> I'll resend my second.
>> Mayor Pro. So Mr. Dosa, once you get your data and your pricing from FPL, if you will email it to Mr. Baker and myself, we will prepare another car and bring it back to the commission uh for consideration again. >> Yeah, happy to do that. Thank you. >> We got to vote on the table first, don't we?
>> I think we're sending it up. >> Send it. >> Yeah, but if you're going to table, you got to >> Yeah, we got to vote to table it. So, we need to He was just letting him know, I think. >> So, do we have a motion to table it? >> I'll make a motion that we table it based on the outcome of the data and the
information coming back to us and for city manager to put it back on the agenda. >> Second. >> All right. Got a motion to table by Commissioner Pero, seconded by Commissioner Tinder. Is there any
further discussion from the commission? Any further public commentary? Why are you tableabling this? If they come back with a quote that's the same as ours, are you going to put the cost on them? If they come back with a quote the same as it is today, are you going to put the cost on them or on us? I see
no benefit to tableabling this. They can negotiate their cost, but why table it? Your decision. Are you going to change your decision based on the cost on whether you're going to pass it on to the citizens or not? Or to the rest of Linhaven, I should say, because they are citizens of Linhaven. They've always been citizens of Linhaven.
>> They they pay taxes. They want to come back and bring it bring it to us again. We'll we'll fight the fight again another time. >> But what fight are you fighting? >> Hey, maybe you know what, Johnny? Maybe they come back and FPL gives them a rate like ours and they don't come back with data and they pay it. So it'll go away.
Has he come back yet? >> I just don't understand why. >> I mean, we're leaving it open on them coming back to us. >> They can always come back to you. They can always come back. >> Okay. All right. Any further public commentary? >> All right, Mr. Light. Wait. Oh, go
ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Are y'all going to pay for the light on our street? We don't have a street light and we've been told that we would have to pay it on our power bill. >> How much did they quote you? I'm real curious. >> Well, this this was years and years ago
when we had golf power, so we would have to get a new quote. >> Yeah. I mean, but it's $16 a month. H >> 16. >> That's the price of a second garbage can.
>> Okay. >> All right. Any further public commentary. All right. Mr. Lightfoot, if you could call the rule. >> Commissioner Perno Davlin. Yes. >> Commissioner Tinder. >> Yes. >> Commissioner War. >> No.
>> Mayor Pro Tim Peoples. Um Dang, this is hard. I'll say yes. Motion passed the table. >> Sorry. Go ahead. >> This is tabled. We talked about it. We So, you can go talk to FPL so you don't
get the definite no. Now, um I'll be honest, it's going to take a lot of convincing. So, um, but, uh, at least for my vote, I can't speak for everybody, obviously. Uh, thank you for your time, consideration, appreciate. >> Thank you.
>> All right. Um, moving on to item number 27, discussion and possible approval of change order number one in the amount of $1,900 to BCL Civil Contractors, Inc. for additional work on the Minnesota Avenue Sidewalk Repair
Project. Yes, this is that grant to repair all the sidewalks on Minnesota and it was a small change order of $1,900. It was for um picking up a sidewalk where vehicles, big trucks run over and
ADA mats. The grant has more than enough funds to pay for this. >> So, is this 1,900 coming from the grant or from us? >> Yeah, it's all grant related. >> Perfect. Well, I appreciate you all putting this
on the agenda for just so we can see it. >> All right. Uh, is there a motion for this? >> Motion to approve. >> Second. I >> think Commissioner Tinder won on that one. All right. We got um we got a motion to approve by Commissioner War, a second by Commissioner Tinder. Is there
any more discussion from the commission? Any public commentary? All right, Mr. Mr. Lightfoot, if you call the role. >> Commissioner Ward, >> yes. >> Commissioner Tinder, >> yes. >> Commissioner Pero, >> yes. >> Mayor Pro Tim Peoples, >> yes. Moving on to item number 28.
Discussion and possible approval of resolution 20259471 authorizing the interim city manager to execute the local agency program FDOT agreement for the Tennessee Avenue Sidewalk Project Construction and CI.
The amount of1,177,34 [Music] is fully reimburseable by FDOT. A resolution of the city of Linhaven authorizing the interim city manager to execute the local agency program agreement for participation in the
Tennessee Avenue sidewalk construction project in L in Linhaven, Florida and all required future grant documents providing an effective date. All right. Do I have a motion for this? >> Motion to approve.
>> Second. >> Motion to approve by Commissioner Pero, seconded by Commissioner Warick. Any more discussion from the commission? >> Yes, we're exact. What block are they starting on? >> It's This is for phase two of the project for construction on CI. This is
for the Tennessee Avenue sidewalk from Fifth Street to 14th Street. >> And is this going to tie into the fuel depot thing? Why we're doing it that location? >> This is from a lab grant. >> But I mean, are we doing it to tie into
>> No, ma'am. >> No, ma'am. >> This is a a >> Haven Elementary is over there off of 9inth Street. >> This is not the safe routes to school that I mentioned. >> It's not safe routes to school. This has been a grant that's been we've
been talking about for a while now. We're finally getting it moved along to to to to do. It's a long long piece of Tennessee Avenue from Fifth Street. It'll connect Kinsaw Park to neighborhoods so people can walk from their house on Tennessee Street to down
down that way. And ninth ninth, it goes from Fifth to to 14th. So also kids walking home from school have a sidewalk to walk on. >> This will actually tie in. So you can have a sidewalk going all the way down 390, tie into Tennessee Avenue, and make
your way all the way to Fifth Street to Kinsaw Park. >> And I would like to add that Tennessee is easily one of the most dangerous streets. >> Yeah. >> In Lin Haven. >> Top five for sure. Um I've lived around that area for my entire life. And uh we
were always told as kids not to ride our bikes on that street for a reason. So um yeah, >> people are racing between stop signs. All right. >> Motion to approve. >> We already did that, didn't we? >> I say I've got a motion in a second
already. >> Yeah. >> Hey, we're on item 28, if you can believe it. So, all right. Uh, all right. We have a motion on the floor with a second. Uh, any more discussion from the commission? Public commentary?
Mr. Walker? This goes back way before the hurricane. This project has been set. We've all sat on it, discussed it. This project is a CRA project. You're not the CRA board.
>> This is not a CRA project. This is a FDOT transportation alternative grant. The city has already received phase one engineering money. This is phase two for the construction CI money. >> You can be corrected. Says here director of community redevelopment agency. I was
there from day one on this project. >> So that was who presented the item is Mr. Ben Jenkee. He is not here tonight. He's >> I understand that. That's not the problem. I have the floor. Thank you. Project was discussed approved. It is a CRA project.
It went down that way and it was approved through them. What's happening here is this is not the CRA board. They are having that million dollars is coming out of their money. That's coming
out of their money. >> It's a grant. >> It's got a reimbursement, but you got to pay it first. You got to do it. So, I believe you're overstepping your bounds.
It's currently budgeted in the economic development department. Uh, line 563000, project 2300, sorry, 23022. >> Again, this is a grant project. The city
will not pay any money out of pocket. It will all be reimbursed through the Florida DOT TA grants. I >> think the confusion also might be that Mr. Jenkee wears two hats. He's the CRA director and the economic development director. This falls under the economic
development portion. >> I will make a note to ask Mr. Jenkee when he does his cars to remove the from CRA if it's not a CRA item for to prevent future confusion. >> Yeah, awesome. Good idea. >> All right. Um,
any more public commentary? All right. Will you call the role, please? >> Commissioner Perno, >> yes. >> Commissioner Warick, >> yes. >> Commissioner Tinder, >> yes. >> Mayor Pro Tim Peoples, >> yes. I would like to propose that uh we
table the next two items because one, the uh the the homeless shelter one was brought up by Mayor Nelson who's not here. I also would like to talk to some people first before we get more information on this and as well as uh
well I guess that um and then well no Mayor Nelson brought up the review of chapter 26 my fault but uh he's the one that brought up the review of chapter 26 code of ordinances so I'd like him to be able to be here to present it because he's the one that brought it up and then
for back to 29 I would like to table that one as well I would like to talk to some people in Panama But it's not up to me. Um I just would like to do that. >> I like it. Make a motion.
>> I can't motion a motion to table the remaining two items. >> Um >> All right. Got a motion to approve tableabling item number 29 and number 30 until next meeting. Got a second. Is
there any more discussion from the commission? discussion from the public. >> Just to be clear, you can make a motion, you can second motions. Our charter does not exclude the mayor, commissioner, or the prom from making motions or seconding motions. So, I just want that
to be on public record. If that's something the charter needs to say, then the charter review committee could look at that. But, however, you keep saying that you can't, I just want you to know you can. >> Traditionally, we do not do that. >> Noted. Noted. >> Noted. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> And just one >> just one quick final thing tonight. Thank you for your grace and hospitality tonight. This has been a very long meeting for everybody. Uh y'all have done your due diligence and just as one Glen Haven taxpaying citizen. Thank you.
>> Thank you, sir. >> Glad you're cover 29 specifically. I do think you need to have some conversations. Um, just to let you know there once upon a time the rescue mission tried to come over to Gulf County. Um, we were very concerned,
shared a board with the county, city involvement to make sure that we had ordinances, critical pathways. If homeless people were going to come over, there should be certain expectations.
And honestly, you know, 10 women, 48 men, etc. Um, I would like to see what their critical pathway is. They talk about a transformation. Uh, what is that transformation and and what's that pathway towards, you
know, going out of drugs or alcohol and getting employed? uh because you know it there are some people that want to live that lifestyle but it shouldn't be outsourced to the citizens. We're sitting here
talking about lights and affordability. So before you sign that letter or encourage that, you need a lot more detail. And if you want to see the ordinance that Gulf County created for this situation, be happy to share that with
you. Thank you. Any further commentary? All right, we have a motion on the floor with a second. Mr. Lightoot, could you call the role, please? >> Commissioner Pero, >> yes. >> Commissioner Tinder, >> yes. >> Commissioner Warick, >> yes. >> Mayor Pro Tim Peoples,
>> yes. Meeting adjourned.