Good evening. I'd like to call to order the board of commissioners regular workshop meeting. Today is Wednesday, July the 23rd, 2025. It is 6 pm. City clerk, would you call the role, please? Mayor Brooks, here.
Vice Mayor Kerr, here. Commissioner Taglerini, here. Commissioner McGee here. Commissioner Gavay here. The motion carry five to zero. Thank you. We're all present. Before I read the for public comment,
uh, community development has a technical assistance grant that they would like to add to section 8 under the community development. If no one is opposed to that, we'll add that as item C.
Is everybody okay with that? Yeah. Okay. Then we will move to public comment. If we're talking about the agenda agenda items, I was I was going to mention should item I be moved up ahead of item
H? The uh potential property purchase maybe should go right after uh the letter to state the marina parcels because it seems like they're both related. So G I move up right after G.
Trade places with H and I. Yes. Okay, listen. Anybody has an objection to that? I do not have an objection to that. In Thank you. Okay. Public comment. Public participation is encouraged. If you are
addressing the commission, step to the podium and state your name and address for the record and the organization you represent or group you represent. Please limit your comments to five minutes and do not include any topic on the agenda. Public comment on agenda items will be
allowed when they come up. If you would like someone at the city to follow up on a comment or question made at the meeting, you may fill out a comment card with the contact information and give it to the city manager. Comment cards are available at the back table in the commission chambers. Completing a
comment card is not mandatory. Do we have any public comment? With no public comment, we will move right to community development impact fees. I'm sorry. I Oh, I am so sorry. Yes, Commissioner Tagarini. I just want to say this, but I know we
have a lot of items on our agenda. Uh, this photo album was given to me at our last big C meeting. The one that I uh stood in for you. A gentleman gave many of the municipalities a photo album of some really nice artifacts uh of their
city. This one from Madira Beach includes old hotels and and properties and businesses. some really large blowups of John's Pass and uh the groundbreaking ceremony for some of the church by church by the sea and the old
police department. I just wanted to make everybody aware that we have this and my plan was to give it to uh the library and let Stan decide how he wants to display this because they're all really well documented. Many of the postcards still have the the message on the back.
So they're they're very cool. So, uh, if that's okay, I'm gonna go ahead and and take it over to the library tomorrow and let him put it, uh, in the artifact section. I think that's super cool. Okay, great. Thank you, Mayor. You dropped one. Thanks. See, I can't remember something if I
don't write it down. I didn't have it written down. So, first on the agenda is community development impact fees discussion. We'll hand this over to community development. All right. It'll be me and Marcy mostly talking about this. And then we also
have Rodney and Nicole with Ford Penllis in case if you have any additional questions for them as well as Jerry Murphy should still be on the line if you have any questions for him. Um this impact fees we're mostly talking
about uh Senate Bill 180. If you can flip to Oh, hold on just a second. They have it in the packet. Let me get the page number. Of course, my computer
just died. Bically, in Senate Bill 180, you cannot charge anything. Um, it was signed into law um July 1st in 2025. um it prohibits the imposition of impact fees for the replacement of
structures if the same land use is the same as the original unless a replacement is substantial demand on the public facilities. So, I know that the board has previously discussed concerns about um our impact fees and whether or
not to research our local impact fees on counting enclosed spaces um like garages and closing them and elevating them for living square footage. One thing that we have discussed is in our code currently
in chapter 92 in the definitions the building area talks about the total living square footage which if you go to the Penllis County property appraiser which Marcy has up um currently we take
the heated square footage uh so it's living area square foot um so in this case the example that's on the screen it's uh 1430 square ft. Uh one option that we are
kind of discussing is potentially um looking at the gross square foot area instead of taking that living square foot area. This is something if we did make a change we would have to change
our code. Um, this is something that we would need to discuss further with Tom um Tom Tras to see if this would make us do a further study of the impact fees or if we could go off of Senate Bill 180
and make this change to our LDRs. That's kind of staff's idea of um being in compliance with Senate Bill 180. Do we have any public comment? Commissioners,
I I feel like if we align with Senate Bill 180, uh that would that would solve a lot of the issues that have come up that many of our discussions. I think it appears that it would take care of the issue with people elevating their
home and been able to take the footprint of the entire home basically that was enclosed in walls and with roof structure and elevate that without any impact any any fees being associated
with it. So I would I would approve with that. I would like to understand attorney Tra's position if he had any on if we can do this. Um I'm just reading there prohibits the imposition of impact fees for the
replacement of structures if the land is in the same as the original unless a replacement structure increases demand on public facilities. So as long as it complies, I'd be okay with that.
comments agree. I I agree also. We had extensive conversation about this. So, I really um if it is if Attorney Tras agrees that it's something we can do, I'm in agreement with it.
So, there there's no question in my mind that you can do it. The question is is whether or not you need to do it with you can do it without a study. Um and um I know this question was brought up just today. Um, I received an email when I was in a hearing in Tampa, so I have not had the opportunity to talk to Mr.
Murphy about it or really put any deep thought into it. So, I can't really give you an answer right now, but the bottom line is is you can change your code, but you remember your code re relating to impact fees has to be data driven. And um I'm just concerned that making the
change without the data, it it may uh put us in a technical uh violation or issue later on. I don't I don't want that to happen. So I don't know the answer to your question right now, but we will re we will review it and I will talk to Mr. Murphy if he is
hired by the city. Okay. Thank you. Is Mr. Murphy still on the line? He should be. um unless if there was any issues. I just was he is I was wondering what um Mr. Murphy's input is on this. Is he any has any
comments? Well, well, I I'm in agreement with Mr. Tras. I think that you know because your impact fee ordinance is based on data and the data is in a study. You would need to revise that study to make sure that it would be um legal.
Would you recommend is there anything any action we need to take between now and that study? We just put a moratorum on the mobility section until we hit some feedback on
that. Is there do we have any any legal or advisement uh where we go between now and a study and who would carry that study? So my recommendation would be to
continue on with what you're currently doing. If there is a need sometime in the future with the data tells us something different, you can always refund whatever is the difference or uh that the data reveals. If there's no difference obviously then it's a non-issue. But I would not recommend you
changing your code at this point um or creating a moratorum. Um the moratorum for the multi the mobility fee was specifically with regard to the statute and the possibility of you collecting
twice for the same impact. The the other two impact fees that you collect have nothing to do with the mobility fee. So I'm I you know obviously it's a legislative decision but there is no need at this point to have a moratorum
on the other two impact piece. So if we collect these fees without prior to this study, do we just make sure do we have to do we have to do anything to make sure we're we don't spend these fees that we keep them
in that retained in in a fund basically until we understand what we can or cannot do and do we need to take any action to make sure that happens? Well, you're you there's no question you would be entitled to the portion of the
home that impacts um you know those two categories that you have. The question is is does it impact it um one step higher or more significant because of the fact that now you're including the garage that was elevated
that wasn't there before. So, um I I just don't want you to feel that um it's going to be a win-win situation either way. I don't really I don't we don't really know that at this point. So,
so then I have a question. Um I liked the idea of the, you know, uh not collecting on the total square footage and not being specific to heated. I felt like that was a compromise for what Commissioner Kerr
wanted, what he had brought before us for discussion. Um, I hate the idea of spending $30,000 to take away one little sliver of our impact fees. That being said, the impact fees that
we're going to pay to the county are not subject to us making a decision what we collect because we're going to collect based on their guidelines, based on their schedule period. So if they calculate with if they calculate that
the garage is not part of then we don't get to make that decision. That's their decision. So what we're talking about isn't the um interlocal agreement impact fees. It is just Madiraa Beach city's impact fees.
So I'm just saying that for clarification. So, what we're discussing is we're collecting the impact fees and the idea and question is to not collect impact fees on the total square footage
of a house including the non-airconditioned area. But to be able to do that, the city attorney is saying that we would need to get a study or he that's what he believes we would need a study. So my comment would be
if we could research that to make sure that we do need a study and if we do need a study, we're already paying Kimly Horn to do a lot of work for us. Is that something that we could have done through them that would not be at
$30,000? That could be an add-on item that they would, you know, they're already doing so much work for us in our land develop and all these different things. Is that something that could be so that added into their scope of work and would not
be at such a high rate? I don't know if there's an I mean I don't I don't expect you to answer that. I'm just that would be my what I would want to understand the opportunity and are they as equally qualified? Do they you know to do I don't know that and you could bring us that back and tell us that.
I I can reach out to Kimley Horn and see if they have done impact fees. um and if they've studied impact fees, what their experience is on that. Um but yes, Tom and I will be discussing whether or not
we need to fully research um and and redo the study of the impact fees before and we'll be bringing that back to you. Okay. As far as refunding, I don't know that why would we refund if it hasn't if it's not a if I think
that's a whole another discussion on whether or not you you retro it back or or that's for another day once we figure out whether we can. I think for just to be just to be clear because so right now we're issuing permits for homes that are elevating.
So, they are converting this this space to now newly airond conditioned livable space. If we are to continue forward with what we've been doing, then we would collect those fees at the time that we issue the permit. And it sounds like we're not going to change that
process until such time as we're told to to change it. That's what I'm hearing. That's what I heard. Okay. Yes. So, what we can do is we've been tracking that as far as the ones that we're doing post um
Senate Bill 180 and we'll have that that data, but we'll continue charging as we have been. Okay. Thank you. Anything more comments? I mean, we were considering an arbitrary
number of 500 square foot when we never really decided never brought that to a vote or why would this be any different? I guess it be my question to attorney Tras. I mean, how could we have done
that but not not just agree that if it's under roof and enclosed whether it's heated or not that that be used in the calculation. I I think it's the exact same thing if it's it's data driven and you know I was
not asked whether or not I thought that that would be um that you could do that without a study. Um, so I don't want there to be any belief that because of the fact that there was a discussion up there that kind of committed us one way or the other as to whether a study
needed to be done. You get to make the decision whether you want to do that. But you know I wasn't asked for a legal opinion relative to well if you do that do we need a study. I'm telling you right now that I think if you make any modifications to the impact B ordinance
whether it on any of the three categories we need to make sure that it's supported by the data that we have because that's where we get attacked that we just arbitrarily decide to make a decision to change something but we
don't do it based upon any data. So um I understand that but my my understanding also is the data that is based on now is what
six years old four five years old four years I don't know it's it's getting old and it was uh Mr. Murphy that recommended that it was old enough that we need to consider not redoing the total study that we did
in the beginning, but doing the calculations that we needed to do anyway. So, you know, it could be argued that the impact fee that's being addressed now is not current data.
That's correct. So you're really talking about three thing three reasons you you need that you know that study. One is is are we charging twice for the mobility fee. One is do we need to update it because things have changed in the city
to provide the same service at the facilities that were um being discussed or considered you know when it was originally adopted. And then the third aspect of it now we're talking about is is to include this garage space. Now it's going to be
habitable space. So three different reasons why you want to study and they could all be done at the same time. So would that be paid for out of the impact fees that we've already collected? Can we something we would have to look into
more? I know there's administrative costs. Um, I didn't see any specifics on the percent or amount, but I would definitely want to do some more research and what could be It would be a lot easier to spend the money if we were spending money that we
collected on the fee that we're doing a study on instead of spending it from another That makes sense. I'd be easy I it'd be easier for me to vote yes if that was the case. Is this something we need to vote on
tonight or is this something we just push down? This is a workshop meeting. Okay, this is workshop. Okay. Any further comments? Can we not use Panelis County tables for
the impact fee calculations? I mean, they've done the studies. They've done all the work. That's for mobility m that's for transportation. It's not for the other um categories that you collect on. They don't do any studies on what it needs to run your parks and wreck department.
They don't I understand that they say we're all talking about traffic, are we not? All all of it. All of it. Anything additional? Thank you. So, you'll bring us back some Yes, we'll we'll bring that back and
whether we can use that fund. Uh we'll talk to Kimley Horn as well and then we'll set up meetings with uh Mr. Truss. Awesome. Thank you. Next on the agenda is Board of Commissioners, the 2026 board of
commissioners meeting schedule. So, mayor and commission, we have in front of you just to give you an idea of dates, times for our commission meetings, workshops around city holidays. If there any thing you would
like to change, certainly have a discussion of any input on your part for next year. Does anyone have any conflicts currently? Not this far in advance.
So I have two um in January I'm not January I apologize in February. If the meeting could be our meetings could be done on the 4th and the 11th and if that's not okay then if that
doesn't work for everyone then we can keep it as it is. I have no conflicts. I'm fine with that change as far as I know. And then in April, if we could do the 22nd meeting on the 29th,
we're saying the 8th and the 29th. Yes, that should be fine. Thank you very much. You guys are okay with that? No conflict, gentlemen. No conflicts. Thank you. Do we have any public comment?
Next on the agenda is ceremonial items, participation and selection. I'm sorry, Robin. Are you going to present these? Uh, just based on the your request at the last meeting to discuss how you would want to
bring items up for to be considered as ceremonial item, whether that's specifically to give a key to the city or any other recognition. So what would be the process? Is that the question that the that the conversation?
Would it be just for the board to bring up a nomination and how would that be would that be brought to a workshop or would that be submitted prior or Well, I I if I may, I was thinking of creating opportunities for residents
to get involved so that they can make something good happen. Creating opportunities So, let's start with the the exhibit A items policy and let's kind of move down so we can hit every
every area on it. So, a proclamation, we do proclamations now, correct Robin? We already do that. a business award. We have not done a business award that I'm aware of since we've been here. So, um,
the way that it's written is that the city clerk would contact the mayor and or members of the commission and on a rotating basis, we would submit our nominations for a business, nonprofit, or religious institution. And Tampa Bay Beach's Chamber would
help. They would receive the information information regarding the nominee and the city clerk would prepare the award and follow up with an invitation for them to come and be presented. So a business award I would think that if we're taking just that how often would
we want to do that recognize a business? Do we want to do it on a regular rotation? Do we want to do one a year? Do you want to do one a quarter? Do you would just I think that if you just allow things to be whenever they get lost, right? So I think we have to decide do you want once a year, once a quarter,
once every six months. I think every month would be a little challenging and a little much would be my opinion. But what are your thoughts commission on quarterly? Quarterly I would say every six. Okay. Quarterly. Quarterly or every six? I mean we would
run out before too long because I think we're a small island. I agree. I love quarterly commissioner, but because we have so few businesses, I think twice a year would be impactful. Okay. Would be more. And then we could
celebrate that business for six months. What do you think? Yes. Right. Yeah. And then the way that would be is as it says, the city clerk would send us for nominations and we'd nominate. And how would you pick the nomination? What
would they have to do to be nominated? Um, that's the discussion. Clara, do you have a comment? Perhaps we can do an application process and advertise it and put it on the website. Maybe maybe have the community vote, ask the community to nominate and then
right take the the most or and then vote on them. That would be if you took you could have the community nominate who they want and then we could vote on who we want and then present it. Okay. Can I can I tell you how old does
it give you an idea? Please. So um insar what happens is is each commissioner gets a slot. So maybe the first one
would be Commissioner Gavah. He makes a recommendation that this particular business receive the business of the year award or whatever you're going to call it and then it comes before the commission and you would just acknowledge it. The next time up it would be Commissioner McGee. He would be
making the recommendation and so each one of you would have the ability to put forth your own. So, it's not you're not having businesses compete for the award. Um, you're actually just um, you know,
selecting them on your own and then bring them to the commission. Each commissioner will have their own. Um, so whether it's the business award or certificates of recognition or whatever it is, maybe just do them in order number of districts and then the mayor and the mayor first or the number of
districts after that. So it would be incumbent on us to you know explore uh the businesses or and and you know identify one that we feel would qualify. Yeah. The answer is yes. And in some situations in Oldsmar over the last 30
years, you know, my memory is is that sometimes the commissioners or council members really don't know a business that is right, you know, should be brought their attention and so they would go to the Tampa Bay Chamber of Commerce and say,
who do you think should be recognized by the city based upon what they've done for the city or the community or wherever? And sometimes the chamber of commerce will give some recommendations and you choose from that. So there are other options. You don't you don't have to visit every business in the in the
city. Obviously that' be a little cumbersome. But that's how how they do it. You either ha if you have one, you know, you run with it. If you don't get some assistance on but regardless of how we do it, it would be like if it's my turn, I need to find either I'm going to research it through the the Chamber of Commerce or I'm going
to go to every business or but it's it'll be up to me. Yeah. Yeah. And and it may be like um you know, you have a pizza place that stepped up during the hurricane right after the hurricane and you want to acknowledge their business because of what they did during the hurricane situation or you
know maybe they they were at the seafood festival and they gave away free food to people the seafood f I don't know but you know something like that. It doesn't necessarily have to be anything in particular. It's just that you're recognizing one of your businesses. Yeah. So that's how Oldmar
does it. So in Oldsmar then the commission itself does not vote on that on who gets that award. It's the individual commissioner that's on rotation that gets to make that decision. And so what normally happens is is that commissioner and older are their council
members. a council member would um be given the agenda item and then normally step down off of the deis and gets down to the podium, brings up the business owner and then they would read a little bit about that business. you know, what how long they've been in the city, what
have they done for the city, you know, anything that st stands out. And then they would um hand the award to the person, take the photograph, and then usually the business person will say a few words. That's how they do
it. Good idea. Think it's pretty efficient. I'm not opposed to that. You'd have to get we'd have to think about the rotation because you'd want to make sure that every commissioner got the opportunity to award because we're on
two years, right? So, you want to start that rotation so that everybody would get their opportunity and you didn't. But you've got three years. Well, I would Right. But I mean, I'm I'm not even thinking me, but just for you know, we So, we need to think about that
with this. It could happen then. Right. It could Right. Right. with this idea it might be quarterly would be better or what did you say uh by annually? Well, I'm saying sooner so that be because there's it's it's not going to
become tiresome because it's it's only on one commissioner but as you said if we wait every six months some of us will rotate out before we have a chance to I'd have to look at a calendar and see how that would work. I can't. Every commissioner would get a shot.
It's just that the the mayor would have to you'd have to figure in. There's so many other things I get to do. That's not I mean to me that's that I for me personally that's neither here nor there. There's many other things that the mayor gets to do that selfishly. Yeah. I'm thinking uh Commissioner Gavay goes
first then six months later Commissioner uh McGee goes and six months later I lose the election. Right. That's what I'm So I'm being selfish. I want to nominate
it. So that's why I was saying more often. Oh, you could go in order of the districts. So district one. Well, you could go in order. District two. So how about if we did Fine. You go first. How about if we How about if we thought
about this? This is July. If we did one sometime this year and you would go go with the with the first district with the first of the year we would do a second one
and then the midyear we would do so then then because our terms are up next if you're so yeah that would be my point my point would be that then the two of you would have your oper you would go first one two three four yeah that makes sense and then would that and then we can keep
it on a six-month rotation And that would I think that would work. So if we were to market this idea
that we have come up with this um plan to recognize businesses that are most active and giving and so forth and so on. then a lot of businesses would want to participate in that
or be a part of it instead of just knocking on somebody's door and say I'm going to nominate you. You have been good. I would I would say they probably want to become a part of it early on and and accommodate something good. So, let's real quick open for public
comment. Public comment. This is why your meetings go so long. Why don't you just let the public decide? Then that way none of you are put in the under the gun. Because if you nominate a a business
and you know it it leave it in the public's hands and you guys decide among the five of you who you feel is going to be the best and older is huge. I mean, you know, so they have lots of businesses and and like Yeah. I mean,
you know, so who goes first and if you don't get in term, then you were cheated and who helps, you know. So just let the public decide and you guys vote on who you feel is most responsible for it.
Keep it simple. I also don't disagree with that, which is why I don't mind if I never get a turn. We can do that application process for that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we could nominate but let public make that
final decision. Get public involved. Oh, I thought he was suggesting that the public nominate and we vote on their nominations. The public would nominate and then we would vote on who would get it. I would just say you advertise that we're looking for nominate, you know,
businesses and we can do this on an an annual It can it can be an annual thing and pick your time of year to do it. Um Thanksgiving, you know, on our Thanksgiving meeting, we'd like to
celebrate our businesses and we're looking for uh nominations from the from the public, from the residents, and take those nominations and um you could even you could list list them in the agenda.
Correct. So that they're all recognized at least for being nominated. Right. Right. They fill out a form saying why they would like them to be nominated. Have all the criteria on it to choose from. I don't know. So, when we did the not to drag this out
for forever, but it kind of is to to when we did the mural over at Archabald, it got posted on Facebook and we had how many people voted on that? A couple thousand, I believe. or
I mean so if you if you say we're you know the city's you do a big thing about the city's you know looking to recognize business of the six months or business of the year whatever and let the community nominate get to that and then you annual is fine.
Yeah. Right. And then you get to that that then your annual you get your business of the year the community nominated the people and good idea. That makes it easy. Yes. Makes it easy. So is that okay? Thank you Mr. Good idea. Okay. So, the next one is the business
award. And I think that that is it's pretty clear um that the city clerk would contact the mayor or members of the board of commission on a rotating basis to submit submit nominations for businesses a business award. Um
so that's yearly. That's business award of the year. So that's done. So then next is key to the city and the key to the city. This is clear that the you just if anybody sitting up
here wants to nominate for a key to the city, you give that information to the city clerk and then it'll come to us and we'll either vote yes or no. I definitely I feel very strongly that if you're going to nominate someone to get a key to the city, that someone
should have done something very substantial for our city. They should have above and beyond is my but you can nominate anybody. Then we get to the discussion I think attorney tr brought up what you know
pretty embarrassing if you would vote someone not to get it. So how do you prevent that? Well we everything we do has to be done in the sunshine. So I don't know how you I don't I don't even know how you would
I don't know how you would handle that. Attorney, how I know the answer to this, but we we couldn't discuss it on our own before. No, because that's a sunshine violation. In my experience, over the last 35 years, I've only seen the key to the
city given away a couple of times in all the cities that I represent. It's not something that happens very often, and therefore, there's usually no process for it. Um, and from what I've seen in the past, the couple that I have seen, um, once, you know, once there is a
nomination by one of one of the commissioners, there's really no vote. It just really comes forward. You really don't want that vote to happen. But years ago, I I someone had turned a 100 and I had asked the city to give her a
key to the city and they did. She was 100 years old. That was really nice. Well, in that in that instance, you brought it to How did you do it? You brought it to the city manager. I think it was a public uh probably
public hearing maybe. You know, I stood up there and it was my mother's my friend's mother. She ended up to be 104. Terry England, if you guys know him, he's pretty England England family. She was here and she was 104 before she passed on.
I think I just requested it and commission said sure. I think that's so um not controversial though. I think that you could end up with some names that would be controversial that everyone wouldn't agree on is is my
my thought. Of course. Yeah. Um something like that. Somebody turning 100. Yeah. Proclamation or something. Yeah. I I don't know. Well, you've adopted this policy already. This is what your policy
currently reads, right? This is the which is why I kind of didn't I don't I mean, this is what we adopted when we voted. This is the process. So it's I mean this is how we're going to do it. It's the way we voted. Doesn't have to be on a regular basis.
We don't have to annually give out a key. We don't have to annually do certificates of rec rec. We bring it up in a workshop to to discuss it. But just leave it at that. You know, as far as businesses, if we we
can put that on a calendar, we can recognize a business for business of the year by the that was voted by the public. Can the key be given to a state legislator? So, my opinion on a state legislator would be
what have they done for us specifically? Because not all of our state legislators have done anything for us. There are some that have pushed bills that really work against us. So, I would not be inclined to give anyone in that position a key because they're not they've not done above and
beyond. Good job. Right. My personal opinion is that if we were going to give a key to a state legislator, that should be someone who has gone above and beyond for the city of MadiRaa because number one, their job is to legislate for us. And if they're
not legislating for us, then why would we want to reward them? That's the only thing I would want anyone who's thinking of that to keep in their mind is that it is special. Yes. Over and above. Right. I that that part I agree I agree with
that. A legislator is supposed to do nice things for us and if they Yes, they did some really nice things. That's their job, right? So, if they go above and beyond, I don't know what that would be. AB, I don't know what above and beyond would be. They're supposed to get grants for us. They're supposed to legislate so
that we can be benefiting. I think I just feel like that's a that could that's not that's more controversial than a 100-year-old resident, I think. But just my opinion. So, I think the um certific certificates
of recognition that's self-explanatory. Anyone sitting here can do that. We do that now. We do that now. Um the city coin that having the three coins given to each of us to present. I think that that's just if that
self-explanatory. And then the congratulatory letters, we do those now. Um, to me, many or several of these things that we have, it's just a matter of of reminding all of us that
we have the authority and the ability to say we want to do these things and to do them and go right through the city clerk to make it happen. You need to please turn your microphone on. I've written many u proclamations
for like hundredy year birthdays, uh graduations. The clerk's office would contact when somebody would give us a name, we would contact the family and get the information and put something together and they and um I know remember sometimes this is at another city, the
mayor would like go to their ceremony and present it or they would pick it up and present it themselves or we can do it at the meeting. So, anything else? Commission, we're good. Okay. Then next on the
agenda is the city attorney Scott Hulkcom request for special magistrate lean reduction 572 Johns Pass Avenue. I will give this to the city attorney. Thank you, mayor commissioners. Um, just some background. Um, this property located at 572 Johns Pass Avenue was
cited in May of 2023 for two violations. One was building an outdoor kitchen uh without getting a building permit and the other was failing to have a fence around a pool um in the backyard.
uh the property did not come into compliance either through the courtesy notice of code violation or the code violation notice that actually went to the special magistrate. The special magistrate hearing was held on October 23rd, 2023.
Um the code enforcement special magistrate found a violation of both code sections, ordered that the property be brought into compliance within 30 days. That would have been November 22nd, 2023. If the property was not brought into compliance by that date,
the $250 a day fine would begin to be assessed. Uh the property did not come into compliance within the first 30 days. The matter did come back before the special magistrate on a compliance non-compliance hearing. That's where the special magistrates determines uh
whether they are in compliance or not. That hearing took place in May of 2024. the special mastery unit another order finding the property owner failed to bring the property into compliance timely. There was a third hearing on this case where the property owner asked for the
fines to be stayed for a period of time. The special magistrate found that that was not going to happen. He denied the order for the request for stay of the fines uh that were associated with the violation. the property remained in non-compliance
for almost a year. As a direct result of that, there was a fine assessed. Um, and I'm going to get to the dollar amount here. There were a total of $92,44.7 of associated um fines. That included
the daily fine of $250 a day for almost an entire year. It came into compliance on November 13, 2024. It also includes $41.75, which is the recording cost for recording of the lean against the property. and it also includes about
$2,700 in interest because the fine was not paid. Um, after the property was brought into compliance, uh, the property owner reached out uh to the city and asked if the city would be uh willing to wave the
entire um fine. Um, after reviewing the matter with the city manager, it was determined that that was uh not something that city staff could support. City staff did support a reduction of the fine down to half of the dollar amount, which was $46,224.
I advise Mr. Hulcom of that, that the city would support that. In other words, come here and ask for you to support that as well. Um, he um emailed me a couple of different times. He provided us with some additional
information. Um, one of them email was on June 15th of this year and it laid out some reasoning why uh, Mr. Hulcom believes that um, the fine should be reduced. Um, I've included his email of June 15th in the agenda packet so that
you would have that and I'm sure that you've had the opportunity to review it. Um, but because of the lean having been recorded on the property, the special magistrate cannot reduce the fine. it has to be considered uh by the board of
commissioners. That's why it's coming to you. So, it's you'll remember that in the past I've been asked to bring these matters to you first at a work session for discussion and then ultimately come to the commission for a regular meeting
for a vote on the issue. So, um that's kind of the background. Um Mr. Mr. Hulcom reached out to me um a day or so ago asked whether or not he should be here at the work session um and at the regular meeting. I suggested that he be
at both. I'm not sure if he's here. There's Mr. Hulkcom in the back of the room. Um so you may have questions of him, you may not, you know, u but um he is here if you do have questions of him.
But the bottom line is is that a request has been made for a fine reduction and um I brought it to you based upon that request. Do we have any public comment? Does that mean him?
Yeah, absolutely. Mr. Hul wants to step forward. Good evening. Um, so I understand on its optics, Sir, can you tell us who you are? I'm sorry. My name is John Scott Hulcom at 572 John's Pass Avenue. Thank you. So I understand on its optics that this
looks like I just blatantly blew it off and didn't try to do anything with the outdoor kitchen, but from the get-go of the process and and to start off with, I've never done I've never had to do a permit before, so this is all entirely
new to me. Um, we had put down pavers, picked up pavers and replaced them prior to this and we got tagged because we didn't have a permit. I live in Hillsboro County and we bought, my wife and I bought this house in 2020 and it
was a financial stretch for us to do so, but we could do it at that time. So, we had pavers sitting in our front yard for probably three months until we got that permitted to be able to do that. So, I knew going into this that this was going
to be something that should be permitted likely. So, I didn't want to take any chances. And I had sent my contractor, Anton Bosk, oops, Anton Bosk, to the building department to find out, does this is this something that needs to be permitted? And he went to the building
department and he talked to two different people at the counter. He gave them the schematics. They went behind the wall. They came back out and they said if it's not a permanent structure and there was already plumbing there, there was already electricity there, there was already water there because
there was an existing jacuzzi that we took out and put this pretty much in its place. That is what I based my decision on to move forward with a $60,000 outdoor kitchen. Um, I also have here with me, and I don't know if this is
proper procedure or not. Again, I've never done this before. I have an affidavit signed by Mr. Bosk stating all of that. He then went back to the counter and asked if he could get copies of the videotape showing that he had
that conversation and he was told that that was not available. So I don't can I present this or you this give the city clerk all the way to the far right throughout the process there was what I would call mitigating circumstances
where again I feel like the city thinks that I just thumb my nose to the city and said you know I'm not going to take care of this but my understanding from talking to the contractor was that there were ongoing conversations with the city in order to get this
resolved without me having to tear out a $60,000 outdoor kitchen. Um, part of what happened at the very beginning on October sometime in October of 23, what Mr. Tras was just referring to as far as a hearing goes. Um, we were told by the
special magistrate that we would have to get a fencing issue permitted and the permit for the outdoor kitchen done within 30 days of him signing the order. We said okay. And when the con and I
wasn't here for that, but the contractor was here. And when he left the meeting, uh, Mrs. Forbes left the meeting and found him in the parking lot and said, "I just want to make sure you understand this. We we can't you can't permit that kitchen. You can permit the fence, but you can't permit the kitchen." I don't
know why. I don't know if that's the case. I don't know if that's true or not. I mean, I believe that's the conversation that happened. I don't know if that not being able to permit a kitchen was factual, but that was the impression that I was under. So for a period of time I was thinking that this
was all being worked out between the city and the contractor and then there was a subsequent hearing on in May where my understanding and the contractor's understanding was that that was going to be a time that we could talk through this and figure out what could we do?
Could we put the the kitchen on casters? Could we shrink the kitchen and so forth? But during that hearing, we were told, "You have a $250 fine." Um, the other thing I wanted to bring up about that hearing is that during that hearing, it was brought up that the fine
when it was asked what the fine should be. Um, I can't remember, it was somebody over here. It might have been Miss Forbes or Miss Mills said that their recommendation was $250 a day because of the fence issue, because it was a health and safety or life and
safety issue, and it should be 250. Well, that the permit for the fence was put in within two weeks of that meeting. So, there was no fine to my understanding. There was no fine on the fence. But again, our understanding from the initial meeting was that there could
not be a permit put in on the kitchen. So, fast forward to about May, I found out that there was a um I don't know what you would call it, a process to try to get a ordinance passed or added to to
allow for outdoor kitchens. So, I was working with the city at that time to try to figure out what we would need to do in order to get that done. And it was at that time that I had sent an email to um Special Magistrate Valdez based on
what Mr. Gomez had recommended that I do in a meeting with the city staff. And I did and he forwarded it and there was a a hearing over that. But what I was asking for was while I was trying to work this out to not again rip out a
$60,000 kitchen, could I delay the penalties that I was getting on a daily basis and I was denied that I was not at that meeting. Again, optics when I found out about the meeting when I came back to Madira Beach, which I can
go a month without coming back from Tampa because my job is over there and so forth. When I got back here, I had a notice in the mail saying that there was a hearing that had already happened, which I guess was for my request. Well, during the hearing, when I watched it on
YouTube, Attorney Tras held up a certified letter and said, "I just want to add this to the record. This was signed by Mr. Hulcom." I never signed that. My wife never signed that. We were not at the house. I have an affidavit from me and an affidavit from her stating that. I
immediately went to see Mr. Gomez and I uh let him know that I did not sign that and he I took a picture of the certified copy that you had with my signature allegedly, which again is not mine. Um and he said he was going to take it up
with the post office because maybe they're the ones that signed it. So there are things that have happened throughout this process where again on its face based on what Mr. TR just said it looks like you'll never give me a key to the city, but there are other things
that have happened throughout that process. It has always been my intent and I have emails between me and the city, me and the contractor saying I need to get this in compliance. What do we need to do? The question was, what can I do where I don't have to rip
the entire kitchen out? So that's May I hand this to the city clerk? Yes. So, my letter of uh I don't know about a month or so ago to Mr. Tras, I was asking if we could wave the fine. And
part of that was based on a conversation that I had with Mr. Gomez the day that I brought him the issue of me not signing that certified letter and he and I told him at that time I said you know what I'm just going to rip the kitchen out. I'm not even going to worry about trying to figure out what I can do to save a
$60,000 kitchen. I'm just going to rip it out. I'm done with it. And he said I think that's the best idea and if you do that my recommendation to the city is going to be to reduce is to wave the fine. So, when I got the notice saying that the city was recommending to only
cut the fine in half, that's where I was disappointed and um emailed Mr. Tras. Now, my house was significantly damaged, not only in Helen, but also in Milton. I got the significant damage letter on Monday of this week. It's being demolished. Yes, I got a permit for
that. I also got a permit to demolish the kitchen when I took a sledgehammer to it in November. Um, but having this lean over me I know is going to affect building loans if I try to get a building loan. I've got to build at the
code. Um, and so it's it's a financial hardship. So that that's what I was asking is if this could be looked at and um and possibly removed. Thank you. Do we have any additional public
comment? Please. Thank you. Thank you, Chuck Dylan, 529 Lillian. Um, this is a I feel badly for the man, but I mean, but this is something that's been discussed and this is an issue that's
been going on for years. Um and and we had talked about yesterday at the meeting that the representatives don't have any teeth in anything and this is teeth. I mean, you know, this is something that, you know, if you don't,
you know, buyer beware. Um also, I don't understand how if he lives in Tampa, he's got a homestead on this property. So there's there's a lot of things in here that I've done my research that, you know, I don't
understand. Also, there's well, there's a neighbor that has been very upset with him since all the fence issue, and she had come to me because she knew I was on the planning committee, and this has been an
ongoing thing. Um, and so I I feel terrible for everybody that's gone through all of this, but the entire city has gone through this. So just my words for thought. Thank you. Thank you. Any additional
Sorry. No. Do we have any additional comment? Evening, mayor, vice mayor, and council member, city manager. So, if you could state your name, sir. Uh, I'm Deputy C with the Penelis County
Sheriff's Office and I'm assigned to the community policing division for the city of Madira Beach. So, um I was made aware of a uh maintenance vegetation and uh in the yard that was unkempt at 5 72 Jones
Avenue by public works yesterday. So, I swung by the house, definitely saw the uh grass uh or the yard not being kept. It appeared like the house was abandoned. Okay. I did tag the house for a warning
and uh I attempted to call the homeowner which I was able to pull it out through the property appraisals website and um homeowner is uh John Hulcom. Sorry. So I attempted to call his uh
phone number. No answer yesterday. I called him again twice today. No answer today. So u put a warning on his uh front door. and a report was generated. So, meaning like his his yard is not even kept.
Okay. I mean, it's I don't think it's fair for the We have a Deputy Snider Penel County Sheriff's Office. We have a photograph of the condition of the yard if you're interested if it if it's relevant to this hearing. That's the condition of the the property as it was yesterday afternoon at about
3:00. Okay, that's all we have. Thank you very much. Any additional comments? Um, commission comments, questions. Did everyone review? Did I understand correctly that the
uh I I I thought that I had seen that the the homestead exemption is filed for the Madiraa Beach House. That is correct. And but the permanent address is in Tampa. Is that where mail goes? That is what was stated. That's what was stated. Well, it seems like it's been to the
magistrate three times. Yes. Uh I mean I I don't know that I'd be inclined to reduce it at all, but if the city recommends uh 50%,
I guess I would go with that. But I mean I live here, too. I get permits for everything I do. And it's and it's hard and it's complicated, but we do it. So, it's very sad. I'm very sorry, but uh as Mr. Dylan suggested, where's our teeth
for these kind of things? That's just my opinion. I'm only one vote. We have a neighbor four doors down from Mr. Hulcom. um that also had a kitchen in their backyard, a pavilion, beautiful,
granite countertops. They were told that it was in violation. Um I'm sure they spent similar money, if not probably more,
and they took it down before it ever went to the special magistrate or fines started to be enforced. I don't understand how from 2023 that it would come to the commission
anyway. Um, if it's not permitted, it shouldn't be gone two years. I'm sorry for your loss, but I don't have the compassion. I'm sorry, commissioners.
Well, I have a bit of a compassion. Um, you you know, he is a resident of Are you a permanent resident? Are you a resident of uh in Madura Beach or you live most of your
time in Tampa? Hoosh, he's it's already been stated, just to clarify what Commissioner Taglerini said, he homesteads here, but he stated when he stood up and spoke that his permanent residence is in
Tampa. I heard that. I heard that. So, I I would say, you know, let's just give him a a certain level of punishment, but not kill
him. I mean, I I would say to to um you know, charge him some, but not 50%. Commissioner, well, I also feel sorry for for your
loss also as well. Um I think we all during um September the 26th after uh Helen and and Milton we all definitely suffered a lot of loss you know depending on you know what area we were at
um I would encourage you to rebuild you know and you've already said that you've torn down the kitchen outdoor kitchen correct yes okay um I think 46,000 is kind is excessive when he really wants to rebuild. There's so many residents
that want to rebuild and they're facing financial hardships. I understand the fine, but I also think that as a city, we could be more compassionate and still find him, but not in that excess. So, thank you.
So my first question is when I read um what the property owner sent to attorney Tras the statement is in an in-person meeting with myself, Mr. Booseak, Mr. Gomez, and other city officials. He goes
on to say that Robin, you told him you would recommend that we wave the fee entirely. Did you do that? No. The comment is if once he brings it into compliance the the lean the amount stops you can request at that point to a
for a lean reduction. I don't recall if I stated that we could that we had in the past the commission has reviewed them and that's the what I recall the extent of the conversation. I don't believe that this commission has
ever voted to 100% remove a lean. I don't believe that we have voted to do reduced leans and I only think we've done one, maybe two. We've only done one that I recall that we reduced a lean. Here's my problem.
Um I think it's unfortunate if he had a conversation with with the city manager and he took away something different than what the city manager said. Although I was told by a past building official and it was one of the
one of the things that he said to me that I could not have agreed with more. And I see it when I see city staff now talk to residents. When you speak, people hear what they want to hear. They do not hear what you
say often. So, it's always important to follow up any conversation that is meaningful with an email. I think that's just a good piece of advice for anybody. But my concern would be that number one, the property isn't being maintained and we have so many properties in the city
right now. It's on our agenda tonight to discuss how we're going to deal with that, what we can do to move forward because people just aren't cutting their grass. And I feel compassion for every single person in this city that flooded. But we still have to cut our grass and we still have to maintain our property
no matter what we're going through, no matter what the issues are. And honestly, if the property was being maintained, my opinion tonight might be different. But cutting the grass, especially when you own two homes, you
would have had to pay to cut the grass no matter the grass isn't being cut. So that's my that's a concern for me. The second is waving fines is setting a precedence for the community. So if we were to
completely wave a fine tonight, then the next person that decides that they're just going to snub their nose to what the city is saying or doing. And it's unfortunate for Mr. Hulkcom that he's here tonight asking us to completely wave fees. And to do that, we would have
to wave the fees for every other homeowner that came before us. So, whatever decision the commission makes tonight, I think you're making a decision for every code compliance that comes before us in the future. And based off of what I see and the information
that Robin has shared with me, we're going to have quite a few. That's my opinion. We have to have compassion for our neighbors. I have compassion. No, no, no, no. the other neighbors, right, that are living next door to unkempt homes.
And I want to keep it on the subject at hand, but um where permits are not permits are not pulled which impact uh
in this instance water flowing into neighbors houses or properties during during storms. I know it that has nothing to do with the kitchen, but it does have everything to do with this property. Um,
there's no sense of urgency. It's been two years. If I I know that if I was being fined $250 a day, I sure wouldn't let it run out for two years without addressing the issue, addressing the problem. I'd be here every day to try to figure it out. If it means taking out
the kitchen, I'd have to take out the kitchen. That doesn't mean necessarily a sledgehammer to it. Take it down and store it. Do sell it. Do something with it. Well, it's I mean, it is shocking to me
that any contractor would say you don't need a permit for that. I mean, we have the design the drawings there. You there's no way. I mean, anybody that's a contractor should know that when you're doing something on that level, you need
a permit. It's I mean especially on a coastal in a coastal community on the water. So okay, you don't need to be making a decision tonight. You'll make that at the at the next regular meeting. Okay. And so um that's going to come back
before the commission in the next regular meeting. Um and that's currently scheduled, Mr. Hulcom, for August 13th here at 6 PM. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Next on the agenda is city manager, the John's Pass Park bathroom
mural. Mayor and commission, we have commissioners, we have a sorry, I just want to make sure I had the right image. Uh we, as all of you are aware, we and it was mentioned briefly earlier about a mural at
Archbald Park bathroom, the restroom building, which was just completed in August. Uh we have a similar um request here for a mural at the John's Pass Park bathroom building
as well as a request for a mural. Sorry, let me pull it at the marina that would uh similarly a marina on the wall as you're on the outside of the marina as you're turning in it as you're driving into the marina. on the right
side or the wall in front of you. That's the correct wall. So, these two and then we don't have any renditions, but there is a a third one that we were contemplating to go at out here at Rock Park in the
clay clay pen, the three-sided clay pen that keeps um normally clay for the fields. we would put something on the the three sides of that um structure. So, those are the three uh
and here's some of the renditions uh just to bring it to your attention and that this is what we would we were contemplating to hiring an artist to do the three murals. We have two of the three renditions here. Um so, open it up
for your discussion. Do we have any public comment commission comments? Looks pretty. Eddie, uh, is this the same artist that did the Archabald Beach? Yes. Yeah. Will we have a vote or or we
decide that ourselves? Uh, we didn't. This is what was provided. We can have a vote. I I think we could probably request for a for other renditions. I'm not saying we do or don't. I just wondered if we'd have plans for that or we hadn't gotten that far.
Gotten that far yet. I wanted to just if you were inclined to proceed for staff to proceed with this. Good evening. I just wanted to mention the reason for going with the dolphin down at John's Pass Park is because that was the close second for the Archabald. So, our thought was since we did the
turtle over at Archbald down south at John's Pass Park, we would we would go with the dolphin and it would be a bit different than what they had voted on. Um, but absolutely, if we wanted to go to a vote, we we could absolutely do that. Okay. I I wasn't advocating for against
a vote. I mean, I think I love I love the dolphin. And I just want to also say I've traveled around the world and cities uh that are that are vibrant uh I I have art, they have murals and I think this shows a cultural this is a cultural
enrichment that in by many by any means is not that expensive and has a very strong positive impact. So I I'm very much in favor and I like the grouper on the other one too. So yeah, the marina was uh more of fish
marina fish oriented grouper or I don't even I think crabby can tell us exactly. I didn't know Krabby was in the room when I identified that fish. I'm sorry. These are mangroves, aren't they? So So the outlook is with all those trees there against that wall. It's just a solid block wall right now. Thought
it'd be cool to like have the roots coming down to make it look like mangroves. Yeah. And then those are like fish that those are red fish going from the right. You got a crab over in the corner. Just got to put a crab in there. And then you got uh sea trout and then red fish, then
mangrove snapper, and then snook, which are all native fish to this area. Very popular fish we fish for, especially in shore. So, it really fits the theme. So, anybody fishing be like, "Okay, yeah, that's a real fish here. That's not something that we just threw in there." So, love it. It's very to our area.
The I did I'm sorry I didn't mention and it's listed in the documents. Each one is estimated the project cost for each one is $5,000. I don't we don't have yet for the recreation one, but it is a smaller mural. Um so likely it would be
less than $5,000. I think they look great. Um, I' I would support the project, but I want to recognize the city manager and thank him for bringing this to our attention because it's well under what you could just have
approved on your on your own right. So, no, but I' I've dealt with art in other cities, but it's just a good practice even though it it it's in your purview to approve something that's in that
monetary amount. So, thank you. I I I endorse it. So, I think Commissioner Go brought up painting, doing murals some months back. So, um I think it's fantastic and I I agree with you, Commissioner Kerr or Vice Mayor Kerr. I appreciate that you
brought it to show us because you could have just approved it. It is a um change, a landscape change to the community. So, I think it is a good thing to put before the commission, but I think it looks great. I think that the
community will absolutely love it. People will be taking their pictures in front of it. So, I support it. And we have um and I apologize I didn't bring it. I think I left it somewhere else. The There are already considerable murals and I think we've mentioned that before as you go. The C I I tend to
forget, but yeah, because I see it every day. The Cambria has a pretty sizable one and from the third level on up. the smoke shop on Gulf Boulevard, caddies on Gulf Boulevard. The library has not quite a few people have told me it's a
very nice painting, but not exactly a mural, but as you're entering the library, there's some greenery that an artist painted and our own fire shed looks like a fire truck. So, there are already considerable throughout the city. So, I have a question about that. You
can't paint your name. If you paint your name on the wall, then it's a sign, isn't it? So, you can't do that. So, we have some um businesses that have painted their names on the wall. Is that not It's currently non-conforming. I mean, you could Could you permit it as
a sign if they if it met the allowable square footage for sign for the business in our city? Yes. But yes, you could do that, but typically that's a secondary sign for most businesses. They want to have as much sign it or some businesses still
but they could paint a pretty picture as long as they didn't put their name they'd be fine. That is correct. So we can put a sign up that says Madura Beach. Love Madura Beach. Welcome to Madera Beach. Not exactly where the mural is, but
somewhere else. Yeah. Uh people take pictures and they send it away and they need to see that it's it was in Madura Beach at Archabald. We did put the city seal on the rail. Yeah.
As you're walking up the ramp, the city seal. So, if you take a photo of that one, depending where you stand or your your perspective and the clarity, I would say of your of what you're using, whether your phone or a camera or certainly with your camera commissioner,
you'd be able to see the seal very clearly. You're a much better photographer than I am, so I'm sure it would. I just have a good camera. I think they look great. I think it's going to be a great um piece of work for
our city and our residents really are enthusiastic and love the murals. Um my only question is are we going to have any sort of like on-site cameras or security as far as um that
goes? So, we currently have cameras at the two location at all three locations. We need to review the actual positioning uh because I believe at John's Pass
Park, we don't have a camera that directly looks at the at where the main part of the mural, the front of the building, their their cameras are positioned, but we're looking at positioning them so we do get an actual view of it. Fantastic. Thank you.
Right now we have we do at Archabald, I'm sorry, at Archald Park, right? We do have cameras looking directly at the or that can pan and view directly at the mural. Fantastic. Anything else? Next on the agenda is the fiscal year
2026 Gulf Beaches public library budget. So, mayor and commission, we uh received the public Gulf Beaches public libraries budget for next year for fiscal 26. It's actually a little bit they b a little
bit less than the current year. They base their budget u on how much they receive from the the li panelis public library cooperative. Um, and I think as all of you are aware, there are five member cities of the
library. Treasure Island, US, and the three Readingtons, Readington Beach, North Readington Beach, Readington Shores. And based on our population as a percentage of the whole of the five towns, that is the percentage that is allocated from the remaining part of the
libraryies budget that is not covered by the library co-op as well as a couple of smaller revenue sources that they have from their notary fees, copy fees, etc. Um, and some parking fees that they're looking to generate. So they have
proposed to us a budget for our portion to be $99,78 for fiscal year 2026. We have been paying uh well the current as I said for the current year it was a little bit less.
Um what did I So that is uh what you will need to approve at the I'm sorry here's the fiscal impact for the last few years for our wonderful public library. Um as just wanted to comment obviously the variety
of services there's electronic books there's books and other materials available they do host events for kids uh for adults there are a program that um my kids were excited about and my kids are older they're not little kids
anymore um is a museum pass. So those that do have a you can get a library card. It's free if you live in one of the five member towns and cities and you can go and check out a museum pass to go to a variety of different museums um
such as the Leaper Ratner Museum, the Museum of Fine Arts, the Imagine Museum uh and a few more. So, it's kind of a really neat service that saves you a little bit in the entrance to the those museums. And we would bring this back for your
approval at the August 13th commission meeting. Do we have any public comment? Commissioners, comments, questions? Comments, questions? I support this budget. Yes. Appears to me there's no increase. A decrease.
Little bit of a decrease. Decrease. There you go. I'm I'm totally fine with it. I actually got to go to the last or to one of the um library meetings. I think it was the last one because Happy couldn't attend. Third on the list. I was third on the list. Actually, I
wasn't third. I was the only one who volunteered. Oh, good for you. Good for you. There were three others who could have. I I enjoyed I enjoyed their meetings. They're right there. It was It was very um infor It was It was very informative and I got the budget that night. So, it was kind of neat. So, it was it was a fun meeting
for me to be able to attend. Next on the agenda is the fiscal year 2026 Penllis County Sheriff's Office Law Enforcement Agreement. City Manager. Thank you, Mayor. So this is our annual agreement before you if you have any
questions or comments for the provision for our policing here in MadiRaa Beach. We contract with the Penllis County Sheriff's Office as matter the city has been contract contracting with the sheriff's office for a few for at least a couple of decades I believe. So the
proposal uh not significantly different from prior years other than a little bit of an increase. um services remain the same. They do provide uh patrol deputies been a supervisor 24 hours a day every day of the year. Uh they also provide
the two deputies for our community policing and code enforcement. You heard from each one of them earlier an earlier item. The school crossing guards is where they the sheriff's office recommended a reduction from three to
two um based on the just less pedestrian activity and using the correct side of the pedestrian crossings uh for the Madura Beach Fundamental School Crossing areas. Um everything else pretty much
remains remains the same. They do provide all the services that we would possibly need. Some that we hope to never have to use like SWAT or the K9. Although it's nice for the K9 to visit, but if if they have to utilize the K9,
that is available. They also have the mobile command. All of the resources that they have are available for uh us to use should they be needed. um whether for crime investigating or or for events. We do have their mobile command
uh bus or unit for the seafood festival. So all of that continues as it has in prior years. The increase approximately 6 78% over the prior year. It's a little bit of of a lower increase than the
previous year primarily due to labor costs um and some equipment costs. on in addition for next year they did uh we will be holding uh they did ask us and I tentatively agreed I have not
brought it to the commission uh but to host uh on October I believe the date will be October the 7th to host the national night out event if you're familiar that's where law enforcement agencies around the country host
essentially an kind of an open house, a public event outside to encourage neighbors and residents to learn about their policing, their law enforcement, speak with deputies, with officers, see the equipment that is used, and just
have a chance to interact with their law enforcement in their city or town or county. So, we're hoping to hold that. We're looking determining exactly where, but it will likely be here at Rock Park. We we're still not 100% on whether it
will be here or not. This is kind of the logical place to host it, but that would be on Tuesday, October the 7th. More details, more information hopefully within the next couple of weeks. Also, we uh we should be getting a new an updated schedule of the deputies that
are assigned to us. They do go through their change of schedules twice a year, usually right around in the new year and then in mid July. Um, so we do have a few new deputies. We have one deputy who is on paternity leave and then we have
two other deputies that newer deputies for I believe the day shift. Um and then we will be bringing to you hopefully at the meeting on the 13th of August if not at the the 27th of August there is a new um a new captain will be overseeing our
agreement as well as the agreements with other cities their contracted cities um and that is Captain Kamacho um Captain Melvin Jackson who did come and introduce himself is um took a another
position within the department. So now, Captain Kamacho will be coming as the will be overseeing our contract and we will bring him here to one of the meetings to introduce himself. Great. Do we have any public comment
commission questions, comments? I just uh I mean we couldn't get a better deal. Uh I think I think they do a great job. I just had one question. I I'm I was very happy to find out that we're increasing our monitoring of uh
dogs on the beach. My my question is are are there is there an increase in personnel for that or is that the guys that are on duty now? It's part of their regular It's it's essentially a directed patrol in an area to focus more available time,
more proactive time in Okay. So there's no extra no additional deputies on duty. Just that's just part of that's just a redirection. Got it. Thank I I think it's great. By the way, I just have want to say it. Thank you. I I personally think it's a great
investment. I I believe our sheriff's department is doing an excellent job. As as the city manager said earlier, we have 4,000 people that live here full-time, but we have three million that come in as tourists. So, you're
doing an excellent job. Keep up the good work, and I think it's a great investment. I'm also on board um just like uh Commissioner McGee, Sheriff's Office is is provides an amazing service to this town. Um we're very thankful. I'm
supporting it. I agree. I think our sheriff's department does a great job and we have some very lovely PCO officers. It's COP or CPO. I said it wrong. CPO, whatever. They do a good job. They're
personable and everybody knows them and people like them and they know that if they get out of line, they're going to get in trouble. That's for the locals. So, that's that's great. They do their job. And mayor and commission, so a couple just other quick things. Out of all the cities that I've worked in, this is the
fourth one. I I I've received per capita a significantly the largest number of of just positive comments about our the deputies that do patrol the response. Yes, every now and then you'll get one where they disagree or
the on a few things, but we do get a quite a bit of of positive comments and I think that speaks very highly and the actual as I think most of you are aware uh we did they asked for our permission not that we were going to say no but after the storm
they performed a an operation out of our facility related to poststorm activities um including and the sheriff and his staff were here held a press conference and numerous re you know residents who happen to be by or even residents of
nearby towns came and and thanked them for for all the great work that is done even more than just that activity or the posttorm response. So uh it is it has been a great great relationship and and definitely an honor to work with all the deputies.
Next on the agenda is John's past dredging update. So, mayor committ no significant changes from the prior month other than still working with the Florida Department of Environmental Protection to finalize the the information that they've requested.
Uh they are the our contractors having a meeting um scheduled actually this week on next week to finalize I'm sorry on August 7th was the date that was provided to me to try to finalize and receive the permit from the Florida
Department of Environmental Protection. Once that is then shortly thereafter that bid will go out. The US Army Corps has stated they have everything they need ready to issue the permit. uh the contractor APTM has all the the
specifications of contract plans and ready to be uh they listed under draft and under their internal review. Um but they explained that that's ready to be to go forward once the second permit is received and as I've stated also the last couple of meetings we did receive
the extension for the funding through December 31st of 2026. It is estimated once the the we receive back or the receive back the bids the actual work all things depending on weather depending on conditions could be
as little as three to four weeks. Great. Um any public comment? So, Robin, um, one of the things that I wish we could get more of is updates on this, even if it's just there's nothing to update
because this is this is one of the top five questions I get asked on a regular basis. Um, and given that the um, because one of my questions was going to be to you, why why are they still in under internal
review? So, if that's not where they're at, then this just hasn't been updated. And on August the 7th when they have the meeting with D, would you update? I'll update the commission so that we're not waiting. Commission, you have any comments or questions? Just a question regarding to the bidding
and so do you know Robin if the bid will be within or the funds that the grant funds? Well, that will be on I mean that's the goal. Yeah, that's the goal, but of
course it'll be based on the specifications are to based on the funding amount that was originally approved several years ago. But that'll we'll see what the replies are to the bid issuance. Okay.
Any additional comments? Comments. Next on the agenda is Florida Department of Environmental Protection Resiliency Grant Program. So, this Resilient Florida program uh is
was funded again uh it's up to over 300 million uh for two primary types of grants uh available planning and construction for anything that could you know make our coastal community such as
us improve our resiliency look to mitigate flooding. So, we are just bringing this before all of you to to state we will be submitting um some grants. We are in discussion with our um
we bounced this off of Kimley Horn uh that's working on our master plan as well as uh advanced engineering and design who is working on our uh Madera Beach um I can I never remember the plan the watershed management plan but also
the the res not resiliency Mader the terrain modification program for the city so we're just wanted to bring this to your attention. Uh we will also look to have a vulnerability assessment depending on where but projects that we could use this are for some of our road
upcoming road projects uh as well as if we had to relocate um some infra critical infrastructure. We look to build, we're looking to build a a public works building that could have components for our building code
operations and our building fund as well as potentially a fire training facility. So, that's something that we could also apply for and look to get to obtain a grant. Do we have any public comment, commissioners, comments, questions?
In addition, some under potential underground. Yes. Great. Absolutely. Great. Throw as much against the wall as possible. See what happens. Yes. I think that next year, I should have said this because I felt it in the
budget meeting, but um this year I've spent some time with other municipalities, elected officials, and talking about different things when I'm at different events. And um one of the things that several of our neighboring communities
did was strategic planning. And we've never done that. Not with the commission. And there and by strategic planning, they went offsite with the commission and with the department heads and they did strategic planning. They
talked about what they wanted to do in the city. And I listen to a lot of these conversations where we talk about what we might want to do or finding out what to do, maybe do if we did some planning, there'd be a guide, there'd be a outline for what the
commission wants. And I really think that we've missed our opportunity by not doing that. Um I know that in one of the cities they went, Robin and I actually went over to the um St. Pete College, the labs. Yeah, the collaborative labs.
Collaborative labs. and they went over one day and it was the commit and it was open to the public because the public is welcome but the um commission and the department heads all did strategic planning together. was all set out and then the commission left and the
department heads stayed there. And what I thought after I heard that, what a great opportunity to get all of our department heads talking collaboratively about what needs to happen in the city instead of working in their silo and
only getting little meetings here and there. So I I really think that that would be a great thing for us to do in the city. Yes, strategic planning. Isn't that the Isn't that the idea of the master plan and that would be the
beginning because that's really coming back with input from the from the public from the residents. Well, I think and and then using that to to kick off a strategic plan how we get there.
I think in strategic planning you're talking more about the grants that you need and what are the things that you need to get done like public works what does public works need do they need outflow valves do they need lift station do they need what do they need um marina what do they need you know
no I I I get your point I think strategic planning goes deeper than the master plan yeah there's there's definitely some overlap but yeah there's but it's our budget it it it does but We don't want to be voting on valves if we're going to be
looking to raise, you know, how are we going to handle the flooding? I know that, you know, we have an engineering study on resiliency. I think they're separate though because you use the strategic planning for your budget.
You're budgeting based off it. We need to know where we're going before we can understand that. But this year, everything you're voting on on the budget, you didn't have any input on any of it. that was all decided by the city staff and the city manager and it was
placed in front of you to vote on. And I'm not knocking, but typically the big biggest budget items are are capital improvements, that sort of thing. And that's more what I'm thinking of, you know, but it also includes operations and and so yeah, I mean the mayor's
correct the opportunity to talk about like I I want a um I wanted to have a uh a information officer or there's other names for it someone to take over our communication a communication manager so that they could do all of our
information our communications one central person lo in that right that would have come out of strategic planning I've talked to Robin about a couple other things that I think the city could from where I sit and what I've seen post storm and and things that
the city could benefit in what I think in strategic planning we would all sit around and talk about those things and my idea might not be the right idea but it might spark your you or commissioner Tagalini or someone else for what would be better department heads could then
talk about where their pains are and how things could restructure strategically. It's not all about it's about globally everything and having that open dialogue where we sit here and we talk about specific things gives you the opportunity to have more of a roundt
discussion of the needs of the city and get the input from the people who are working here dayto day. So it goes deeper than just the I'm I'm always open for more conversation. So I just think it would be great if we did it. Next on the agenda is information
technology integris agreement for VCISO. So mayor and commission we discussed this before the agreement with Integress who is our IT provider due to the change in the Florida statute that's listed in the item requiring for
additional cyber security compliance. uh we went with our existing IT provider to create this virtual chief information security officer as I'd mentioned before uh a little bit different than just what was agreed to in the agreement. This is
a a much higher level and look to guide and create a set of policies for eventually that city staff would be able to use to properly manage our our IT, all of our architecture and everything that that is done with our servers and
laptops and just overall security. Uh we we're looking just to finalize this over the next couple of months and this will be concluded. Um as the mayor brought to my attention and I subsequently received some emails there are there is a grant and likely we should have applied for a
grant uh for these costs and we will going forward for any other additional or additional costs that we would incur and in the future. Do we have any public comment? Commissioners comments
comments. So, this is going back out the bid, right? We we're still in year I think we're either in year two or three of a five-year agreement for our IT provider. Um, but if the your direction is I'm comfortable using continuing to use
Integris, but if the direction would be for us to issue a bid, we can certainly proceed to do that. That would cover all of our it and any subsequent changes into the future. But this is the one that they added 60,000 annually. I think it needs to go
back out to bid. So, I did a lot of research on comparing their contract and what they're doing for us and the $60,000 and there is a lot of overlap and not necess none of it is required. The $60,000 none of that is um mandated
by the state and the cyber security as a whole is not a mandate by by the state. It is a recommendation. And the part that was most concerning to me when I started digging and asking other communities is network people who
is now Integris. There was a $200,000 grant two years ago that the state did or the federal government. I don't know if it's state or federal government, one or the other and it doesn't matter that they had. We did not apply for it last year or the year before. And Integress
knew about it. They knew that grant was out there and I don't know how we as a city missed it. I I mean and at this point it's neither here nor there, but that grant's available again this year. I think they're going to give priority to people
who already have it. But I it gives me distrust in a company that knows there's financial money available. We doesn't guarantee we would have gotten it, but that they didn't even tell us or say, "Hey, by the way, this
is available out there." And that if you look at the new $60,000 additional that we're paying, the original contract has the majority of that in it. There is
a small amount of added value in what I found, but not $60,000. And that's my opinion. Are you suggesting we go put it out for bid then? I mean, we're already committed to the 60 grand. Robin already signed that
contract. So, that is what it is. And we have a I don't know how um I don't know how much we're, you know, that we have to stay into the contract that we have, but No. And it was for just one year. No, no, no. But I mean, but the other the 200,000 a year that we're paying.
And and so here's my question. What do we get? So, I sent you an email on this and I don't think you really understood what I was asking. I don't think I I don't think I was clear in my question. We pay them $200,000 a year. What do we get for
that? Do we we should do we get weekly reports, monthly reports on the health of our of our um cyber network? Do they what do they do to earn $200,000 a year? That's our all of our IT, everything
that we do, managing all the staff, the help desk, providing uh the the equipment that we use or the and it provides everything for our information technology, all of our connections. But what does that mean? I don't know when you say that I don't information
technology and our connections. What is that? Everything that we do, pretty much all of our digital and our networks, all of our the how we conduct our business, which is nearly 100% electronic, that's what we pay them to manage the network,
the architecture, the equipment. That's what we pay for. We could hire individuals to maintain our the servers to all the software that we use that they have to that is available on all city equipment. I we have to pay
somebody to have that. Um we issued a bid three years ago, three I think three years ago and they were the most responsive. Um and we made the recommendation to stay with them. Um but and I know we've had discussions with Commissioner Kerr
regarding our IT and who could do that. So we can certainly issue another bid if that's your that's the direction to do or look to hire our own. It's be difficult because we are such a small city, but we could hire our own internally. Might be a little bit more
expensive because IT personnel are are expensive for one for base salaries, but so they manage everything that we do. They do bring a person weekly uh into the city physically to answer any questions with any connections with
computer may not be working or the internet's down or or software isn't running as it should. Um, so they maintain all that we do regarding our our business operations that are electronic. So they could not get my computer, this
computer where I could print at home on my home computer. So I have to, if I want to print something, I have to come to city hall and use the city's computer because they put me through three different technicians and none of them could figure out. and he one of the gentlemen
that I spoke with told me that it was because my printer I have my own personal computer my husband has a personal computer and it works we have no problem printing on that on that printer but I'm telling you they could not figure out how to make it
print and to me I mean it's a printer I just want to print that's kind of ridiculous um so definitely I mean that's something we can look at we can look to end the agreement there's either a 60 or 90day out clause and we can do that and
proceed to issue a bid and go back out. I mean, I just feel like they I I just feel like when you look at the work that you're getting for that add-on contract, I feel like they should have been doing that with the original contract we had. We shouldn't have had to pay another $60,000 for something that was part of
the bid to begin with. Now granted, like I said, there are some enhancements in that 60,000, but when you look at that list of 60,000 that they do, a lot of that stuff is in their contract. I'm just thinking it makes it clean. If
they win the bid, they win the bid. It makes it clean instead of having what? That's a big portion of the contract. another $60,000 if it's if it with the with the 60 then it comes up to 200
a little over I think it's about 230. Yeah, that's a that's a big portion of the contract. I think I think it's reasonable to go out to bid and and Integress can bid. Well, and can we also do some research
on the on the grant from um the the grant that's being offered and apply and see what you know if I here's what I'd like to understand, Robin. If we applied for that grant and we got it, what would it give us? Would it say the state's going to give you software to use and
then you have that would just be for cyber security though, right? That's what I'm saying. What would what would that be and what would we need in addition to it and then go to bid for for the I overall IT services
you know write write the bid specifically everything to be all-incclusive I I read the bids and I to me they were but I mean they found a way to say you need something more and here's how we can feed it to you and that's the reason we need to go back
out to bid Any additional comments? Next on the agenda is letter to the state division of lands marina parcels. So I've written a couple of letters to the individual that Krabby identified. I
have not heard back. We will follow up with a phone call to see that he did explain a process uh if we were looking to make a change to the restrictions. Um sorry let me get to
so we are following up but just have not heard exactly back um from the individual uh Mr. Richardson. So we will follow up and see what what else we need to do. He did explain that we would need
pretty much an extensive uh plans and what are we looking to do uh whether that's to modify the existing marina processes or the marina usage or or something different. So that's where
we we've been so far. That's what's happened so far. There's I think a lot of pages missing. Do we have any public comment? Commissioners, any comments or questions? No comment. This this is this is just to verify that
we can use that marina property for public works. Is that right? Well, also for for any other Yeah. for a variety of uses that we've discussed at least in the time that I've been here. Okay. Thank you.
Comments. and we just haven't received a full response. Is that correct? I Okay, correct, sir. Okay. Next on the agenda is the potential property purchase of 50 or 503rd Avenue. City manager.
Thank you, mayor. So, we've uh had some discussions and some negotiating with uh the engaging um the church property just up the street here on 153rd, Engaging Heaven Ministries. what is before you um
not sure why it's not coming up is uh the next steps or how you would like for city staff to proceed. We entered into an agreement uh tenatively of course it's dependent on obtaining a second appraisal and then on
certainly the commission desiring to continue with the process. We do have to obtain a second appraisal. Uh but the currently the property which is three parcels nearly a little bit more than 7/10en of an acre again with an address
at 50 153rd Avenue. Uh it currently has three small or a a larger building that is currently used as the the church's main building or for their uses. two other small um buildings that were previously used by
a plumbing business. Uh the purchase price agreed to is 4.6 million. Uh the city the I'm sorry, the church obtained an appraisal. Their appraisal for highest and best use came in at a little
bit over 5.2 million. The city obtained one appraisal um right before the storms in 2004 that came in at just over 2 point I think 2.3 million. Um, so that is the item before you. What we
would you also I'm sorry it's not listed in the details. The church would continue to lease the or essentially utilize the property for six months from the date of closing which would allow us should we proceed
to come up with the use for the building which we had proposed as a public works um building facility in lie of the location the current public works yard over at the city marina. Do we have any public comment
questions? Commissioners comments. Um, so what will we have trucks and equipment there under site? We would Yes. I mean, we would look to place as much as we can out of our
public works operations. is likely everything that's over the majority of what's currently in the public works yard over at the marina at this location. The goal would be to build a structure to have to have some offices, conference room, obviously what you need
and the ability to store as much equipment as we can on site. Currently, we are the what the commission approved was to build a 7500 square ft uh structure over at the
public works yard at the marina location. And that would have offices, a small conference room, and the ability to store equipment. The parcel that we're up here on 153rd is a total of 30,000
square feet. the entire parcel. That doesn't mean that we would use the entire 30,000 obviously for a structure, but it would, all things considered, allow for a larger structure to be able to hold more equipment or additional services.
However, it doesn't appear that it's big enough to house absolutely everything, meaning all of public works, all the storm water, and all the sanitation. Uh whether we would want to store sanitation trucks there or not is is an interesting matter. Whether you can or
not. Is it big enough to accommodate all of them? Doesn't appear that we could accommodate every single piece of equipment, but it's certainly a much larger location and it would be for complete usage of public works uh for the most part.
Is the zoning consistent with this proposed use or would we have to I think so reszone yeah use up to the microphone please sorry about that um so it's in the um town center special area plan um and
it's zon but it has the C C3 zoning. Um, it's an allowed use. It just needs a special exception use which has to go to the special magistrate, but but that shouldn't be much of an issue to to get because it's it's a commercially zone
lot. So, thank you. I'm just worried that it the zoning I mean the use is not consistent with center. This is like center of our town basically. This is where we are. I I wouldn't, you know, I I don't think we
should store trucks and vehicles right in downtown area. So, I'm I'm just not in favor of it. Commissioners, is it is it uh we are we already are
using the marina property for a lot of our public works. Is am I am I correct with that? If we purchased the this site, could we still not store some of the sanitation trucks that aren't
appropriate or don't fit at the marina district, the marina area? I I don't know. I'm just if there's not enough room I concern that we have to No, to me it would appear I think Miss Weber can give a much better response, but I mean I certainly we could, but the question is whether we would want to do
that to store garbage trucks at that area, but I I mean you mentioned that there's not enough room at the It appears that that we would have not enough room to accommodate every piece of equipment. Good evening again. So, I'm not sure who
has all been to our property that's offsite that we lease. Um, if anyone hasn't been there, I invite you to come take a look. What we have stored over there are four garbage trucks, one claw truck, three I'm going to call them,
pickup trucks. That's just the fleet. That is not including the dumpsters that we have that we have on standby, the trash cans that we have, and also let's not forget about the mechanic. So, we also have to ensure that we have space for the mechanic to be able to work on
the garbage trucks, the fire trucks, or any other piece of equipment. Oh, I forgot about the trash bin trailer as well is over there. So, there is a a large amount of equipment that the public works department has. So, the reason for the garbage trucks being off
the island is because yes, they are pretty to look at, but they do smell. So, those those trucks take up an enormous amount of space. So, in order for us to have a working public works yard, we don't we the intention is to
not store everything inside of a building. That's that's just it's it's not really possible. The intention is is whenever the it's not working, yes, we will put as much equipment inside the building as we possibly can for storage, but we also
have a a working yard where we have the Broy Hill. Oh. Oh, that's at the public works yard. So, the Bruy Hill, if anybody's not aware, that is a machine that we use on the beach that has a dumpster that is dropped on one side and then on the other side, the garbage
truck has to be able to pull up to it opposite. You have to have a full lane just for that machine to be able to operate and empty properly. So that's just one mechanism. I have three, I'm sorry, four very large bins over at the
public works that carry the beach trash that we pull off the beach every day. We have shell on hand at all times for landscaping and then various metal that we pick up off the beach and a concrete pile as well. So, we have a very unique
space that we're currently working in and we make do with what we have, but we want to ensure that if we purchase a piece of property, we're not settling. We're ensuring that it's going to fit the needs for us moving forward as well. So, while we are at the public works
yard, can we make it work? Yes. But we do share that space. We have boats in there from the marina that we've share the space with. So, we would love our own space. I've been fighting for that for a long time, but we just haven't had
the opportunity really come thus far. And as Robin stated, this property, while it is larger than what we're currently at, it's still not large enough to hold all of public works, including sanitation. So, we would still
have to lease space, especially for the garbage trucks, to stay off the island. Are you in favor of this property for public works? I am. Um I am. I just want to ensure
that we are all on the same page. So sanitation were to stay off the island. Yes. then this would be sufficient dirt that we could ultimately have what you
need for most of your equipment that you need on and off the sand. So, it's very very um very well situated for maintaining um all the all the sand uh items. Um
it's situated very close to the city for interfacing with your peers here at the city. I'm highly in favor of it. Um, if you had that property for public works and
the sanitation where we currently have sanitation, is there any reason to have any anything at the marina? I don't believe so. And that's a that's that's a double bonus as far as I'm
concerned because that that marina is a gem um other than public works. Um so I'm highly in favor of this acquisition. You've been looking for years for a piece of property that would meet your needs and and if you're saying
it would meet your needs, I'm 100% behind it. Yeah. We would have to demo obviously all the structures that are currently on. Sure. I mean, it's not going to be it's not going to flip a switch, but on first we need to get the dirt. Yes. Yes. So, we would demo and then we would we would I would probably ensure
that we would probably have a change order for the design cost because as Robin stated, this is a change, but we would not put a structure to cover the whole. We we need we need active working. we need to be able to enter out
of the facility drive-thru for and and to Commissioner Gavay's um point, I think that we could design something that's suitable for the location. So, it it's not an eyesore. We don't we don't want an isore. We don't
want an eyesore here. We don't want an isore at the marina. We public works doesn't need to be an isore. It wouldn't be. No. Everything would be behind the building that you wouldn't see. It would look I'm not sure if anyone has seen the city of Seminal's
public works building, but you have no idea that it's really a public works building besides seeing the sign, but once you go through those gates and you get back there, then that's where you see the working yard and that's what I envision for this property. Perfect.
Commissioner Kerr asked my question, so that's good. Uh, so I just just to be very clear, the stinky garbage can garbage trucks would be off the island in this location. Yes. And you would be able to have your mechanic on the island. Correct. Thank you.
So I have a question. Robin, when we first So, I first started inquiring with Robin. It's been several months ago because we found out that the what we what I thought that we had we
couldn't pay but so much more. We could only pay so much more money for a piece of property and you couldn't buy one. I said that up here talking about it and in conversation with attorney Tras found out that that was not really that wasn't accurate. somebody had said that at some time and it just wasn't accurate and
that we could pay whatever we wanted for a piece of property. If we wanted it, we could pay anything. And it was at that time that I found out that they had inquired about the this property. And um because attorney Tras had had explained
to me what the process would be is that any of us could have the conversation with the city manager, the city manager could then go do the negotiations and then bring bring it to us here to vote on whether or not we wanted to move forward. Um, and then we could do something and
to get public works away from the marina where the marina could expand and be beautified and do whatever we could do there based off what we hear back from the letters that are written. But I do have a question, Robin. We've talked about two different parcels. Has the is
the other parcel off the table? No, not it is not. Not completely. It's it's a lot going to be a lot of work, but so okay, I would love to before I vote for this,
and I'm not saying that I want this to go away. before I voted for this, I'd want to know where we are on the other that you could bring that to us so that the commission could vote and have all the information.
I mean, I don't know how much that you've shared or if you have or anything, but or if you I mean, I don't know how, you know, I I don't want to mar any waters, but Right. Right. And this would not the earliest this would come back would be August the 13th and definitely bring something back at that meeting
so that we'd know. Okay, that's what I would like to know because if if if we have two choices or if we only have the one choice, I I want to know that before I make a decision. Yes. Real quick, u we had this discussion. I
believe everyone did one on one. Um, I'm not a big fan of the $4.6 million for this piece of property to be honest. Um, I know that Engaging Heaven brought in their own private appraisal
appraiser, you know, and that's when the price went up, I believe. Um, I I would like to see more time and see if we can do more negotiations as far as the price goes with Engaging Heaven and and see what we
can come up with. I do agree that it's a great piece of property for public works. I'm just on the fence about the cost. So, thank you. So, I would like to I I would I'd say something to that. To me, the cost when they got their appraisal, they're
getting their appra appraisal based off of best use. Building whatever you could build there, as many rooms as you could build, gives added value. When we're getting an appraisal, we're not getting best use because that's not what we're going to do with it. So, our appraisal is always going to be less.
So, I think that whether we're purchasing or whether we're looking to purchase this property or 10 other different properties, you have to look at it with the mindset of what value does this bring to the city? And it isn't it is not going to be an ROI because I don't think you're going to
you can't look at it like return on investment like what do we pay to rent offsite? What do things cost? It's it's more than that. It is making an investment in the city. It's making an investment in public works. It's making an investment in the marina by removing
public works. It's a much grander thought process than what the cost is. So, I would be my two cents of mindfulness on that when it comes to the money. Mayor, if I may, I'd like to add um typically when you purchase a property,
you do a bit of a due diligence. You prepare a site plan to see how the building lays out, how the parking lays out. Does does the site actually can be accommodating what your finished product should be? So if if uh if the staff's
going to bring us um the two parcels next time, I would recommend to maybe do a concept plan together with with those sites just to see how they lay out. That's a that's a cost. That's a cost. That's a cost that we would incur. Yeah,
we would encou we could make the parcel we would make it work. So that that's not if it wouldn't work for our needs, we we wouldn't have brought it before you. I mean, I can do it at no cost, but that probably is not what happens here.
But typically, you know, you do a bit of a due diligence to make sure that the property fits your needs. If Megan is comfortable, that's all I need to hear because she'll make it work. We'll make it work. And um to the conversation
um the mayor and Eddie were having um we're kind of in a unique situation. If you're going to buy any parcel here on the beaches, you really have to look at it
as though you're competing with developers that are going to that are going to buy that property uh or offer to buy that property for best use. So, I'm
although 4.6 6 million is a lot of money and what it brings to the value to the city. I'm very comfortable with it because no matter we've been looking for years
and not been able to buy a piece of property because we can't move quickly in getting um appraisals and whatever it what the process
um we have to bring it in the public eye. This is a unique opportunity that we were able to um come to an agreement that was le much less than what their appraised value came back as. Yes, it's more than what
the city's appraisal, but that was not looking at at highest and best use. Yeah. I'm not saying not to purchase it. I'm just saying is there room for on the purchase price? No, I I understand. Um I think Robin has I mean, in all fairness to Robin, I do
think he's been negotiating. He's been going back and forth with them, right? Um maybe maybe if they're if they're gonna stay for six months, they got to pay us. Okay. Just saying. I mean, that's I just I I just want to
say I've said this many times during while I've been on this board. Sometimes our return on investment is an investment in the uh the public services that we provide. It's a return on investment into uh our city's uh enrichment. It's it's public service
back to what this is one of the most important services that we provide. We shouldn't have to have it scattered uh and borrowed all over the all over the city. It deserves its own slot. I just put on public record I'm very
excited that we can get this and have a have a path forward for public works. So are we. Yes, we would love some air conditioning. There you go. That's all that's all I want to hear. Thank you, Megan. Mayor, if I can jump in, I just want to make sure that we all understand that
the due diligence period ends on August 20th. The closing takes place on September 22nd. So, that's the way the current contract currently reads. That's what was signed. That's what you will be approving at the next meeting. So,
you're boxed into a corner now um on time frames unless um the seller is willing to make changes to those dates. But those are the time frames. Due diligence period will end 60 days from the effective date. The
effective date was June 20th. So, right around August 20th then. So, we're really cutting it short here. Okay. I I feel like Robin can come back with the other information at the ne at the voting meeting and we can make a decision then.
Yes, do that. Thank you. Thank you. Next on the agenda is America 250 semiquincentennial. I don't think I said that right, but very good. Uh thank you, mayor. And this just briefly to
advise you of what is happening throughout the country. I guess started a few months ago in preparation for next year the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. So just bringing to the commission's attention
what if anything think about or have a quick discussion about what whether you would support having I think you would support but what types of events activities a logo having a larger fireworks display for example next year which impacts the budget. So, just
bringing that to your attention and there's several websites on there if anybody looked at them. Lots of interesting things. Um, so pretty special to be alive during it and be able to participate and celebrate. So, just wanted to bring it to the
commission's attention. Do we have any public comment? Oh, I'm sorry. I did not do public comment. I apologize. I thought I did. Please. Yes. I know. I wondered why you were sitting back there. Thank you, mayor. Thank you,
commissioner. Um, our property here over at the church. I'm part of the church over there. And, um, couple things I wanted to let you know about is with Robin. Um, I think actually with our pastor. So, during the storms here, we had pallets of all kinds of water and
food and all of that. And we've been serving the community for about the last five years. But somehow I think our pastor and Robin connected. We were kind of looking to get off the beach with the storms and all of that. We got our appraisal and um of course we've had investors. I don't know if you know
where this is. It's it's right there, right? It's right ne across from Wind Dixie there. So we're having hotels come and throw big numbers at us. Well, um, so we've talked with Robin kind of
one of our motivations is the speed with obviously here comes storms. You guys would be demoing everything, which you know for a church is it interesting to see your building demoed and all that, but um we'd be looking to get off the beach and um yeah, we so we've had other
numbers. You know, you can imagine being one right off the beach about 7/10en of an acre. the numbers that people start throwing at you. So, the ability to not have to go on the market, market the whole property, go through that whole rigomearroll. So, it's been a little bit
of a an ease with the city. Robin has I think he's got a little bit of I'm part Jewish, so I think he's got a little Jewish in him that we have negotiated. He's a great negot he does. I mean, do so. He's a he's negotiated with us to 4.6 million. We were kind of set that
five million was kind of our number. Um, so anyways, when it comes to Miss Mayor to uh leasing that, it's going to be a little bit of a process for us with the congregation finding where we're going to go. We haven't found and uh reserved a space
yet with our whole timing. So, that gives us a little bit of time to where are we moving this congregate. We're about 200 of us right now. And um so anyways, I was thinking also the whole mural thing the with the making that look nice down there. Your mural
designer might be in handy. But anyways, um just want to thank you for considering the property. We're we're going to be making a decision whether we put the property officially on the market and all the hotels and highest and best. We'd love to I think just the
ease of it and kind of being a part of the city, you know, we we'd like to to partner with you. So, thanks for considering it. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks. Sorry about that. Thought I had asked for it. Guess I am.
Thank you so much. Yes. So, the s semiquincential. Yes. So as I had mentioned just what any ideas, thoughts, suggestions, events we can begin planning some again whether we look to partner I thought a good idea
would be to partner with the library and have exhibitions or different types of events. I didn't I haven't heard back from Stanley at the library but I'll reach out to him and uh but just really to get your thoughts, ideas, suggestions, but I think it's great to be alive during that time. I was alive
during the the uh b the bsentennial but I was not in this country and I was four at the time. So comments questions comments questions
I'm all for it and and let's take this as a great opportunity to market Madira Beach and and enjoy it. um as far as do we have fireworks city logo and and I don't know what the other cities along the beaches are doing
but to kind of coordinate with them. So that's what I was going to say. I actually had one of our um neighboring communities reached out just the other day and was asking me do you think Madura would consider partnering with us and we would do something together bigger. I don't know what that would
look like, but um I think that would be interesting. I'd love to see a drone show. Uh we were I was at a at an event and they did a a drone show and it was the cool it was the only one I've been to
that I saw in person. It was the coolest thing ever because all these drones flew at Well, I mean, I don't have to explain it. It was super cool and I was going to s or ask and suggest that maybe we would do that at our founders day or the
captain that party because a drone show is really only for the people who are there because you you stand and watch it. It doesn't really when you do fireworks fireworks you can be anywhere in the city and see them. But I think a drone show would be cool.
probably would not be appropriate for this. But um yeah, I think there's there is just in case any of you are available, there is I read there is a drone show Sunday, I believe, at the pier. Yeah. In honor of 727 day. So, they're really cool and they're getting
much more popular. So, they're the price is going to come down. But, um I I would totally support doing something. I'm in forward in favor of all that. I just the first thing that came to mind was are we going to have to do do whatever we do on the fourth
instead of the third since it's a pretty I would say at this point and and I I'm honestly from my I'm a guest in the country. I am a US citizen but I was not born here. So I do and I've worked my career in government so I feel privileged and and obviously an honor to
be a citizen of this country and I've dedicated my life to public service and the government. So I would prefer and Jay's not here so he can't opine but I would say on July 4th which will be a Saturday. I 100% I think for this one we need to do it on
the 4th. July 4th 2026. Well let me just interject. In the past we've used the excuse or the reasoning or the comment that we couldn't do it on the fourth because we couldn't get a barge. We have
and we have a barge that a local company will provide us every Fourth of July and it is their donation to the city for the celebration. So I don't see any reason why we should ever do a celebration
that's not on the 4th of July given that we now have that available to us. Makes total sense. Okay. Now how do we kick this off? How do we plan? And just to say that we want to do this. Is this just kick back to
Robin and and staff to to brainstorm or is this something you have to put a committee together? I mean that's a tough word. Um hard to manage
but um how do you brainstorm this? We excellent question. My thought was to have I mean convene a committee among the department city staff and just continue to update you as to what you're doing get your input your ideas bring it back at the at workshops upcoming
workshops but come up we can definitely create a logo I mean that that's minimal and then begin promoting it again look to partner c I think the library would want to partner with us and and go and see what other activities or events and just continue to promote it as we get
closer to the little bit along the lines of when we celebrated the 75th, but kind of that was a much much bigger and the city did allocate a budget for that. This we're probably just looking at a a budget of more for the fireworks on on the 4th or
however that might look or the drone show. Okay. So, you'll bring this back to the next workshop. We can talk about it more. I think so. That's perfect. Good. Okay. Next on the agenda is code
enforcement. Abandon derelict boats and abandon unmaintained pools. So, we've discussed in the past and I think all of you remember we did have for derelict abandoned boats between city staff and our code compliance that
go on on the actual Oh, thanks. boats. I hope that's my car. Different boats that are abandoned or derelic. A couple of years ago, the sheriff's office and their contractor did remove over 20 derelict and abandoned boats in our area. That program continues through today. I
believe I've shared with the commission a PowerPoint that the the sheriff's office their their legal council provided an ident what the difference between a how do I what constitutes abandoned derelct the difference between um their process as
to how they tag them the amount of time that due process is provided and then when the contractor comes in and and removes the abandoned derelict or other damaged uh vessel. So, we that is continuing and we couldn't get someone from the marine unit out this evening,
but that program continues. Um, I don't know if there was anything that that either of you wanted to add regarding the derelict vessels, but uh, Deputy Snider, again, is this thing on? Can you hear me now? Yeah, we can hear. So, uh, I think our our role
in handling derelch vessels would be private property bound. If it was on someone's private property, uh we could address it as an abandoned vehicle. If it's tied to your dock, uh the marine unit typically will let us handle it if it's sunk. Um but if they if they write
it, they they pump it out and the FLs are good. At that point, it's hard to do anything with it. Even though it might be 50 years old, if it's floating, if it's properly registered and it's securely tied, there's not much we can do with it. But if it doesn't meet some of those requirements, it's on the
bottom uh unregistered. We can go after it with a code enforcement case in several directions. Either with um uh special magistrate uh direction or we can uh go through the county route which is issue a noncriminal ordinance violation citation which puts them in
county court. The magistrate process will uh could lead to fines on the property. But as you've seen, uh there's a lot that comes in with fines assessed to properties. They live there. Uh I don't know if we'd ever collect, but um so one may have greater teeth. Uh, the
other one might have, you know, a faster response if we start writing them $93 tickets, which could go up to as much as $500 if they refuse, if they pay it or lose it in court and we take them back, they don't do anything about it, it could be as much as $500 uh under the
county fee schedule for that uh violation. So, that's about what we could handle on private property, abandoned vessels or derelct attached to or in your front yard. That would be the only way that we would handle it. Otherwise, the marine unit would have to
deal with it. And so, we've had several that were that it was communicated, I believe, to the city that the sheriff's contractor was working with a local business to remove boats and that was taking much longer
than I think anybody had anticipated that they're working to resolve that. Yeah, they had to go through um they had to go through a process with Tallahassee and on the paperwork side. So, All right. Then um so any qu any questions on the derelct
vessels or boats? So the so there on the Holton property there's a boat that's tied to the seaw wall. Is that one that y'all are trying to get off? There's actually two between Dean between Dean's property and our marina. Yeah. But it's it's on
that property. And then there's one around the corner that is I it's tied to one of the pilings and it's half sunk the old pilings from the old structure the old covered structure that we used to have. So we were we were talking just before we came here we were talking about that whether it would meet their
criteria for the marine unit to deal with um or it would be ours. But so there's another issue with that property out there is it's it's got had a history of you know the dock you know code stuff. Now there's some trash and debris on it. another code. You know, u
we have to we have to figure out exactly if it's far enough out or it's tied to I haven't seen it. That's one of our problems is we can't get out there. We can't view it from the water. I have a boat. I'll take you. Thank you. So, the city and then remember Dean owns our boat has this submerged land. Um well, it's
just a process. They have they know the process. Um and I think there's funding that pays for the removal of these things too. They go to a temporary place and then they're supposed to be removed from the water. So, I know enough to not know enough, right, about the process. I think the frustration is from the residents that I hear from, the
frustration is, and even from myself seeing it, I I wouldn't have to have a resident to tell me. The frustration is that they are right there at property. They've been there for months.
How can we move the process along? What do we need to do? Is there somebody else we need to call? Is there something more that we can do as a city to get it? Because I am certain Vice Mayor Kerr would agree with me that that is the entrance to our city.
And when you come across the bridge, Absolutely. and that piece of property has got all that I mean, they tore down a building, but they didn't haul the debris away. And there's two boats that are sunk right there adjacent to that piece of
property. And then you have the the marina, the fishing marina there that has sunk boats. How how do they get away with that? And I'm asking that for me as well as for all the people who have asked me that question.
I'm I'm I'm guessing there's not an easy answer, but I'd like you to give it your best try. And with that that one bow that um the city manager Robin, Mr. Gomez uh was able to relate to me. Again, it took me
a process because the FL numbers they weren't there. It wasn't an FL number or actually it was an FL number. Um so I had to reach out to Mr. Dean and then uh reach out to actual Tri J. So TJ was
telling me no that's our boat. Um there's paperwork that has to be you know signed and transferred through Tallahass and it takes it takes some time. So um they knew what we were out behind them you like basically hey I'm going to
follow up next week let me know and they took care of that boat. So as far as the other boat I'd have to get on their property and get that FL number and see who owns that boat. Okay. Yeah, we'll follow up and make sure to try to get them get them out there, get them removed. Okay.
It it's constant maintenance for us, too. It's it's constant once and and like I say that the quick fix is they'll pump the water out, they'll tie it to the seaw wall and then for that day it's good and then the next week it's sunk again. So, it's this recurring thing and they come into compliance barely,
they're in compliance barely. So, and it's it's what we're going to get into later is just this recurring some of these property owners. It's recurring. It's over and over and over again. And you know, and and and sometimes they can afford to pay the fines if we ticket them. So, like I said, all that water
belongs to Dean. And and somehow he became a temporary holding area for derelch vessels that are supposed to be removed from the water and and I don't know why they haven't been removed from the water. Again, we didn't handle any of that that derle vessel process that had them removed in the first place, right?
So, but now they're there and you know, this up and down with these things. So, it's as frustrating for us because we get the complaints and we go out there and we say, "Look, pull it, write it, get it out, you know, and and we totally understand. It's very frustrating for us as well." Well, I think this is a good
conversation for the public so that the public can hear the the process, right? Yes. For Sorry, comments. Are you going to talk about pools? Yeah. So, P and then unmaintained pools
that again we continue finding some and notifying them. Sure. Just like um in the last year, I've only been aware of one uh one resident where the pool um the the pool
pump was uh was out. So um just like you guys have it in your in your se section 14-69 maintenance of exterior premises uh subsection 7 um which is relates to um the water should not be allowed to
collect stand or accumulate on private property so as to constitute a breeding of ground mosquitoes or other insects. So once we get the complaint, uh we go out, reach out to the owners, um you know, introduce ourel what we do and inspect if you know that, hey, we
received the complaint regarding your pool, right? Um we also have to be careful as far as going into someone's property without their consent. We can't just go just because the house is abandoned, I can't just go and jump the fence, right? So we have to do all those
um steps to try to reach out to the owner. Um, now if the neighbors call in and he allows us to go into their backyard and kind of on high ground see that their pool is, hey, yes. Uh, it's unmaintained, that's another way of getting around that. So,
unmaintained pools are complaint driven. We can't see your pool. I can't go in your backyard to see your pool. So, if I get it from a neighbor that takes a picture from the second floor and it's black, they'll email it. We have addressed I've I've done three. I'm battling one on North Bay Shore that you can see from the street. she and and it
is it's hurricane damage. Their pool pumps are down, their electrical down, and they're no longer in the house. So, the only thing we can do is have them chemically treated to keep it sanitized. So, and it's like schedule somebody, have them come out every two weeks, you know, and I'm sorry, but you know, the cost it's it's it's your problem,
you know, so you have to maintain it. So, and that's that's what we have to do. So, we have put people on notice, 10day notices in the city. We've gotten compliance on about 80% of the complaints or 90% of the complaints that we've received. But in order for us to deal with some neighbors unmaintained
pool, we have to know about it. Picture helps and address helps. And you can't be anonymous. You have to give me your name. The complaining person has to tell us who they are and at least the contact information. So, because we're not supposed to do anonymous, you send me a p a picture of a pool and show me the address and well, who's reporting it.
It's required under the code enforcement statute. um Tom would could tell you, but so it's required. So it is what it is. You report it. We can go out there and address it. And we've had pretty good success, you know, barring again, it's maintenance. It's going back out there telling them to do it again. Uh we
provide notice. We give them a time frame to fix the issue and then usually they're pretty good. They're in communication with us. And if they don't fix it, then we can issue citations in the county court or bring them to the special magistrate. Again, typically these houses have other issues besides
their pool. They haven't pulled permits. They've done demos. Uh they're waiting on, you know, demo is another issue. They we've demoed some houses and uh we left a pool. So now the pool's open. By state statute, that pool has to have a 4ft fence around it. That's state law. So because somebody could wander in
there, either it's empty or it's full, it's black, whatever. It has to be secured with a 4ft fence. And we've had some of those as well. Somehow it slipped through, you know, the the post inspection process where we've left a pool there and, you know, and a and a scraped lot, but so we'll go out there
and tell the owner fence it immediately. Not next week. You need to do it right away because somebody falls in there, you're liable. So, are we going to talk about grass here? Sure, we can. So,
I have PE the grass in the community is ridiculous. And I've listened to people and complain about their neighbors not cutting their grass. And I know people aren't living in their homes just like the gentleman here tonight. We see the picture. He's not cutting his grass. And
what I get asked over and over and over again is, you know, what can the city do? What more can the city do? And I mean I know the answer and I give the answer but I would like for you all to explain that answer so that the public can hear it. Sure.
And understand that it is not just as easy as the city cutting their grass. Sure. And the process. So how the process work just like uh we just talked about the pools, right? So we'll get a complaint uh or even if we're driving around uh if we see it so
we go and try to make contact with the owner. um we do get in touch with them. We'll tell them hey uh you got 10 days, you know, we give them about 10 days to rectify the problem. Um and we'll do a reinspection within those 10 days. If
the issue hasn't been resolved, then we go and start writing them whether it's a written warning or a fine. Uh usually when we get to that point, they they know and when we're calling them, they're having somebody out there to to cut it. Um,
I had a lady uh on 140th. It's an it's a lot. I think it's 90 140th. Um, there's a for sale sign on it. I called the realtor and within five days they had the the lot mode. So, um, I I gave u Mr.
Gomez, a list of addresses that I've been working uh and every day I'm calling uh the owner. So, we go from one end of the city to the next. We get to the bottom, it's a week later and the grass on the north end is is grown again. Again, it's just
constant maintenance. So, and and the ones that we have issued citations for grass. Um the written warning has it has best teeth for us because it's it's part of the problem is identifying the owner of the property. We have a lot of properties that are LLC's. They've
recently changed since uh the storms. We got new owners. It's an LLC. We have to track down. We have to go to LLC prenel Penel County Property Appraiser to Sunbiz and then from Sunbiz to try to track down who's the registered agent who owns it and is he even here. If he's
not here, it's very difficult for us to, you know, them to try to find a phone number for this guy. So, I've sent pictures and texts and emails and I've called numbers that could be that the owners putting them on notice. If they're local and I can identify them with a driver's license, I will put a written warning on their door. That
usually has pretty pretty big impact because they know they're going to county court. So, if they're we've got one that we couldn't even identify. We were in St. Pete last week going to a a an a an an address and they only collect mail there. They don't even operate out of there. It's just
you wouldn't believe it. You know, we did contact somebody and got her to mow fi finally, but uh it it was the 500 building on main fifth. Where was it? Main Street in St. Pete and no name, nothing, but that's where their mailing address is some, you know, high-rise and
St. Pete. So, uh so it's very difficult. So identifying the property owner can be tough. We can mail a letter. Uh and that's why posting is our other thing. If we put a physical post on the property, it it gives notice to you guys driving around. Look, the deputies have posted it. We have red tag hangers that
have all a host of different ordinance violations on it. We'll check it when we did it. And that gives you a notice that, hey, look, somebody's paying attention to it. So I like to put those out. Hey, look, there's a red tag hanging on the door handle. It's probably for grass, trash, trash debris, those sorts of things. So, if we get
non-compliance, then we start the process and site them or or take them to the magistrate. Yeah. Not not to pile on um with the with the with the previous owner, but we know that there's a pool in that backyard. So, they're not maintaining
the front yard. They're not living there. I would assume they don't have power. So, that area of the community has to be infested with mosquitoes in that pool. Has that particular, and I'm using an example, has that particular
homeowner been cited or referred to uh at least contact the county because the county will come out and treat that pool. They will put the the fish in there, the mosquito eating fish in there.
They can get access to it. But I'm just saying there's nobody there. Yeah. If you're having any communication with them, it's a free service. all they have to do is request and and allow them to to come on their property and that's going to be helping the community. Um so
my question is a for that property, but b if you find that a home is not being lived in and the grass is growing, can can the question be made if you can't go back in their in their yard to
see if they have a pool? Can that be an automatic question when you do make contact or when maybe code enforcement makes contact? Do you have a pool? Make the request or it may be on uh the the
um property appraiser site that you do have a pool. So you have to assume that that's a a hazard for the rest of the community there. So, vice mayor, um, so what we usually do when we get the complaint either, you know, you do the Google maps
or Zillow or or property appraisal and we can see that, hey, this person uh as of last year had a pool, right? Um, we go inspect the property, maybe the fence has been torn down. If it if it has, then it's it's unsecure, right? So, we
can go in go in um just to inspect it on the outside just make sure that or in the inside, sorry. uh just to make sure that the you know in this case will be the pool make sure that the pool is secure if not then at that point um like I said we'll contact the uh you know
whether it's Penelis County usually I'm in contact with with the city your city manager to let them know hey this is what we got yeah just just to let them know it's a free service help your neighbor just takes a phone call to say you're authorized to go on
my property and it would help out the community tremendous tremendously. Sure. We'll start posting the flyers on the properties. That was the takeaway from the mosquito control presentation. So, if they're not living there, they're not going to see it. They may it may be
weeks or months before they would see something posted. That's the only problem with that problem. The address that we were dealing earlier uh this evening with the gentleman that was here um I was made aware of it yesterday and obviously I posted that yesterday. posted the uh the orange
pamphlet from the city said, "Hey, rectify this problem. You got 10 days." Um I'll be in touch with with that gentleman. Yeah. I mean, it's free service and it's just a phone call. Yep. Thank you.
Anything further? Thank you. We There's a gap and then we have ebikes. Oh, so we'll do eBike. Do you mind if we do ebikes before we do strategic or so next on the agenda is electric ebicycles
ordinances rules and processes? So ebikes um the the the statute defines an ebike is it has to be a bicycle or tricycle equipped with pedals fully operational pedals and a seat and an ebike has a motor of less than 750
watts. That is the definition of an ebike by Florida statute. So, the statute has also granted uh an ebike the same rights to operate a regular bicycle except we have city ordinances that say
not so fast. So, you cannot you cannot operate an ebike on our beaches and and what we you were asking are we adding patrol? No, we're just spending more time out there. So, especially so we have direct patrols and typically the patrol deputies will handle that. We I
Fridays and Saturdays I will spend at least an hour and a half slow up and then maybe a half an hour coming back. So I've increased my time on the beach to several hours in addition to this other stuff that we're doing on a daily basis. So we're just adding more time on
the beach. Dogs, glass, barbecues, ebikes. So it's it's interesting. Ebikes we see them in pairs and then you never know where they come in from. They could come in from very far north and most of the beaches have an ordinance that says no ebikes. So ours specifically says no
ebikes are allowed in the sand. If you have a regular pedal bike, you're okay. What we hear from them is, well, I wasn't engaging the motor. I was going slow. Doesn't matter. You still can't be out here, so you got to go. So our process is with ebikes as we identify
them. We uh give them a warning. If I'm going to take somebody to county court, they want to see that they have been previously warned because if they come in somewhere where there isn't a posted sign saying no motorized vehicles on the beach, uh that's, you know, and is it an excuse?
I can't be, you know, two miles wide here and see everybody all the time. So when I see them, but they could come through a private condo, uh a private residence they've rented, and some of those may not have all the beach warnings notifying them that you can't have glass, you can't have dogs, you
can't have ebikes. So, their access points, if they came in from a non city access point, they may not be aware of all the city's rules. They came from north the Readingtons or Indians and came all the way down and you can cover lots of distance on an ebike because the maximum speed on an ebike is is 28 miles
an hour. So, and you can get along with traffic there. So, identify, warn, tell them to leave. And we get immediate removal. We don't get any any flak from anybody. They leave right away. We educate them. uh they can still go on the trail. Um I don't know of any
beaches that allow uh ebikes, but and there's also misinformation from the bike shops telling people that you can ride them anywhere and you can't. Municipalities have the right to adopt enact ordinances that prohibit them from riding on the sidewalks. You cannot ride an ebike on the sidewalk in Madera
Beach. Panelis County is different. You can ride them on the trail different but we are not allowed. I don't think ebikes on the sidewalk are a big issue. Plus, we have a bike trail and you know when you're going 20 miles an hour, you're not not going to be going 20 miles an hour on the sidewalk. Pedestrians have
the rightway. Uh then bicycles. So, um and if if we if we have a recurring issue with an ebike, we have the ability to issue them a non-criminal ordinance violation citation. That's a lot. I'm sorry. Okay. So,
and I had mentioned I think to Commissioner Taglerini when we met about as Deputy Snider said sometimes they come from far north. So, they're coming from the Readingtons on the sand. We don't have any signage as they enter the I mean at some point they entered the
sand whether that may have been in Bair Beach or Indian Rocks or wherever. I think most you'll never see a sign that says no ebikes if you enter from far north. You'll never see anything. in case you notice. So, because we don't have any that that face on approach coming into the city.
So, that's what we were trying to figure out how to do that. I don't know if that was with you or with the mayor one of how do we put a sign or how do you manage where do you put it? It's going to be underwater and so that's another challenge to also um I live on North Readington. I'm
sorry, North Bay Shore Readington. It's getting late. Um, North Bayshore has an issue with with the ebikes that that hit don't stop for the stop signs, you know, the intersections there, even at Hunter all the way around North Bay
Shore. Have you issued any citations to those people? Not I I haven't issued a bicycle citation in in some time. My biggest issue is on G Boulevard them them traveling the opposite direction in the bike lane. That's the bigger biggest issue I see in in the neighborhoods. Um,
I don't see it that much. One of our bigger issues is actually Emotos. That's an electric electrified motorcycle that is not allowed on the roadway or the sidewalk or the trail. They're too highowered and a lot of the kids have those and that's a whole another whole another issue. It's not a bicycle. Um,
and they're not street legal. So, and we've we've uh last year we had a campaign to to target the schools and the kids in Seminal. And we had some here that were some of our residents that we identified in seminal that were riding to school on an e- motorcycle. They're they're not good for street use,
period. Off offhighway, off-road use only for these things. And the these things are capable of 50 miles an hour. Helmets are required if you're under 16. Um, and they can ride ebikes as well. So, but the e- motorcycles, if it looks like a
motorcycle and it's electric, it doesn't make any sound at all, it's no good for street use, period. So, But yes, we can. And it's just another thing we'll look for. So if it's a could be a particular person you're seeing over and over again and you know we just
need to find them, stop them and say, "Hey, look, you know, you're required to stop for adhere to all the traffic, you know, the stop lights, the the stop signs, the stop bars, all that that a vehicle would have to adhere to. The bike has to as well." So, and it's a it's a bicycle violation. It has a
different amount than a car. I think it starts at $62. Definitely. I appreciate the information. I think we all do because, you know, it's all about public safety in some of these, you know, people that aren't wearing helmets
or could crash their ebikes uh running through those stop signs. I think if it's a preventative measure, I appre appreciate the information. They don't need to be registered, right? They do not. So, I've seen them all over the place
and they show up, you know, just sporadically surprising you. So, it's a, as uh, Commissioner McGan said, it's a safety issue. I think from a legislation, we probably should have a bill
brought to, you know, the countyy's talking about uh, ordinance relating to the age of the younger riders on the ebikes because they're really, really young. Um, and it's it's something that's that's being discussed, but um, I haven't heard back. And and
the speeds at which they travel, it just the injuries are so much more significant. You know, when you're going from 15 miles an hour, 12 miles an hour to 28 miles an hour, you know, it's, you know, and then requiring helmets up to a certain age. They they've talked about that as well.
And you don't need a license to write it. Nope. Amazing. It's opened the doors to a lot of people for for bicycling that wouldn't normally ride. They have an ebike and now they're ebike riders.
Thank you. You're welcome. Next on the agenda is strategic planning. So, mayor, mayor and commission, back to the mayor's comments earlier. Yeah, that we have not focused on strategic
planning. back to the vice mayor focusing on the comprehensive plan, the master plan, um looking at specific areas of the city, but nothing kind of based on the comments you made, mayor. So, that is something that we should do
very much advocate that and we will see what that looks like. But I think what you stated getting all the department heads of commission in a room again it would have I think it has to be advertised and how that would work but but to do that and have a discussion
about the plan that you're very correct it relates to the budget. Yeah, it's performance-based. It's that's what a lot of other cities have done and have started to do. Uh I just included in the agenda item the uh what I grabbed from the city of Homestead of how kind of
simplistic it can be but therein it can be rather complicated to focus on mainly how you align your budget with your strategic initiatives and focusing on specific operations and then how you
bring it all together into your budget. So I went out and looked Robin at um other municipalities. So, like I looked at St. Pete, I looked at Penelis Park, I looked at St. Pete Beach, Treasure Island. Not every city has something on their website that you can see, but if
you go, if you're so inclined as to get an idea of it, and I'm sure Robin will come back with something for us, but um you could see what other cities did. And the the beach communities, I think, are particularly interesting. And everybody's done it different. None of
them are the same. They're all different. St. Pete Beaches, they took a whole year. I mean, their their data is from a whole year of working on it. And then, you know, another community I looked at, it was just two days and they
went in with an agenda and in two days they were they were done with what they put together and then staff will come back with something in a couple weeks. So I think it's I think it's very interesting and could be very good for that could be very good for us. Who sets the agenda? Is the directors of
the different departments? Well, the city manager would be the person who would create the event the agenda. I mean you would have more multiple meetings. I would imagine you would have a regular monthly meetings. So when what what
I saw was some of them did multiple meetings, but a strategic planning two two of the cities that I looked at went out and did specific strategic planning for two days. There were other
things that happened. There were other things that got brought in from various places or what have you, surveys and information, but that it was two days of sitting down in the huddle. Actually, one of the cities I think only did one day because they went
it might have been two they went in and it was the commission and all the heads of the department and then when they were done when the commission was done with their part of it because we're just here to give advice, right? to give recommend. I mean, we're not
here to run the city, but we're here to we observe and we obviously have opinions and things like that and then the commission left and the staff was left to pull together their strategic plan. I understand it all starts with a a
vision. um is that vision from the from each of the department heads and we discuss how those visions might be a good vision or maybe not or how that would coordinate with other department heads. I'm I'm just trying to
get a handle on how to how to make the strategic planning sessions valuable. And do you do you do these for a series of meetings prior to budget season? Um
you know during budget season we have four o'clock meetings before before our workshops. Do we do that before our workshops with strategic planning meetings? So to me based off outside of the budget,
right? To me for my personal opinion based off of the what I have read and seen and and I could change my opinion if somebody else gave me additional information. I just see it as an opportunity to get, like I said earlier,
to get the whole city staff leaders in a room with us and we all sit and talk and we listen to them and you get to hear. I think in that you hear people's pains that maybe even the city manager doesn't
get to hear, right? You get to have those conversations and hear and determine what is most important for the city. No. And the way and the way I'm understanding it, you know, we're not here up on the day is we're all sitting down,
right? It's a much more casual. But I think it is also very driven there. It's very but you have to have an agenda and you have to have minutes and you have to have because you don't want to talk until 10 o'clock at night. It might be a good idea to to attempt a
I mean to hold a one day what the mayor just said, but one we haven't done that. I've been in a couple of cities where we did do that and that was done once a year and it was usually before the start of the budget season. So it can that might be a good way to start to get kind
of an introduc well I think we're beyond an introduction but to see how we want to go from there what would be the next steps and introduce at that meeting options that we can use. So per as I'm not necessarily creating a strategic plan right then and there but more like
a strategy session to decide how to what to do going forward. What's what's working in this department? What's not working? What's our vision? Okay. Claire on the mic microphone. a nice uh strategic planning here 17 or 18 and it
was a two-day workshop and I think we got started at like um it was early in the like 10:00 or 1:00 afternoon it was early it went two days I could find that report and yeah if you have the information
I can hear more about it but have to have a idea how to format it I can send that report to everybody. Everybody was together. The um um department heads, the city manager, everybody, the board of commissioners,
there was public that attended and the person putting it on did a lot of exercises. We had charts. We all wrote, you know, filled out charts and it was a it was fun of what our needs, you know, for the future and stuff and for the budget.
Was there a consultant involved? I think that's Yes, there were. And they prepared the report and everything and gave it to us. Yeah. And that's whether we do it internally or hire a consultant. Many cities hire a consultant, but if it's for a one day, typically you wouldn't I mean typically the cities that I was in,
we didn't hire a consultant. It was just staff driven to come up with a strategy and what your budget would look like, what your priorities are for your budget. Yeah. The cost wasn't very much at all and they prepared the report and everybody did it together. I think it would start with a
questionnaire for each of the department heads and kind of make an agenda from that, I guess. And thank you, Robin. Any other comments? Great discussions. Next on the agenda is community development discussion ordinance
2025-14, amendments to chapter 14. So we are so we left this we kind of put this as a placeholder here just in case there were any maybe questions left over from the previous meeting. So the space was open
so we just put this topic in there. I think we can move on to the next one. I don't think we have any public comment. Just for the record, there's no one here and us public just staff.
Do you have any any questions on this? This is what we just voted on. I agree. Next on the agenda is posttorm update, FEMA, FD permitting and department updates. Uh, we included the permitting updates from last week and we got an update
today. Um, Robin, I don't know if you can pull that up or I can just kind of go over some of the larger number updates. Total applications went up from 3,58 to 3,114.
Uh total permit applications to be reviewed from 3:30 to 3:30 3:35 to 3:30. Um permits issued 2,700 to 2730. Um
I think those are just the main ones to update. And then on on here, we just kind of went through each section of community development about the variance requests, how many we've received. I think we'll see a lot of at least some
alleviated with the elevation, the amendments from chapter 14 that we were just talking about. Um, and then there's also code enforcement cases that are quite high as well. Uh we have contracted to support in
building and planning review. We're reviewing with CAP government to see if we can get additional code enforcement assistance through them. Um we're also working with 4Erunner which is the new flood plane management tools. The county
is also um proceeding with using 4ERunner for their damage assessments. So, I think that'll be really good having them using the same program. Clearwater used them last last year and it seemed to go a lot smoother than many
of the other communities. Um, let's see. We are working on doing a soft run with with 4ERunner going out into the field. So, all all of
staff will be up to speed on that new software. Um we'll be mailing out to all property owners um our annual flood letters. Those will come probably next month at some time.
Um as well as mailing the repetitive loss areas um their annual letters as well. Those are the main things that I have. Marcy's your sure I'm missing
that was actually just a brief overview of of what's been going on just so and I think we may have shared this during one of the previous meetings um FEMA has in the last um believe month or two they did reach out to us and request permits to start auditing so
they're already in that process um requesting sight specific information so we have submitted that to them so as expected that that has already begun can. So, we'll we haven't heard any feedback yet, but um I do anticipate based on the status of some of those
addresses um the next question is going to be where is our code enforcement posttorm recovery for for that. So, that'll you'll see code enforcement start picking up too and the next couple of months ramping up um finding people who didn't pull permits but possibly
have flood insurance claims or already have people living in there when we know the water line was at four feet, things like that. So that will be there will be an uptick in that for code enforcement for sure. And then we also included in the packet um from FDM
the Senate Bill 180 and we were briefly talking about that earlier with impact fees. There's quite a lot in 180. So we're digesting that and trying to address all of those sections. Any comments, questions?
I just have a comment. I I believe we're all on the same page. You guys are doing a fantastic job. I just wanted to throw that comment in there. Yeah, two nights in a row. Um, all this is great. It shows how much
you're doing. Um my question is the metrics that I think we sent uh earlier as a request um are they being looked at? Um an example when an application submitted
how quickly is that first review? Is that a week? Is it a month? Is it two months? Is it what can what can we expect as far as your backlog
um when a application submitted whether that's for an elevation or for new build or whatever it is um before it gets from the stack to to actually re review. So um and and is it getting better? Are
we getting starting to get ahead of the curve? Are we shrinking it from two months down to six weeks? Is it is it and don't take my timelines as actual because I have no idea. I you know all I can do is work from the feedback I get
from others that you know is there I get the I get the question um you know I'm following it and it hasn't been reviewed and it's been such and such a date you know and and I'm not
I don't have any bad comments I don't have any comments and um I you go to work every day and is it getting better? That's that's all I'm asking. And what else? What what other as always how can we help
the getting the metrics is is a little bit part of that's going to have to be driven by dealing with our the permitting software system to really get accurate data versus us going in and trying to manually look at how I don't want you to manually have that's exactly it. So we there's a
balance between us working with the permit software because there are things that we do need them to change and they're more pertinent to us being able to expedite the process versus extracting data which I know is so important to give um to give measures to
how productive we're being how long things are sitting in a queue. Those are very important data points. My eye is on getting the permits out and making for having our software company focus on that. Helping us get the permits out the door. The data is
something we we I want to have, but it's kind of and I don't want to say it's not a priority because it's important. I do know that, but it's so important to me to get these permits reviewed out the door, making the system more efficient. And I I we you know we it is getting
better but just as you think it's getting better you know Barb will come over and go we have you know 20 new house permits this week so we are running at a crazy pace and just today
Joe said to me he's like I wish that like we can pay our subconsultants all day long to work what we can't do is we can't pay our staff who would very much be willing to work continue to work those 60-hour weeks. And you've met Joe,
he's young, he's fit, he's a beast, he can do that. Unfortunately, we have no mechanism to reward him for wanting to do that. He's the person I want to pay to do that versus, you know, forking out money to a subconsultant who has to get up to speed. So, if I could say anything
to the community, to, you know, the Florida state government, like, we should be able to pay our staff who want to work that time, be able to pay them the overtime to do that versus having to go out for subconsultants who we have to train. Um, we have people who get
private providers thinking they're going to expedite the process. And I just had one this week. Um, the entire design went through with the wrong elevation, the wrong freeboard. They were in the wrong flood zone, so it came through without deep foundations, without
breakaway walls. But they thought they were ahead of the game because they paid a private provider to help expedite it. And it was completely wrong. So, you know, there's just a lot to it. So, sometimes going out and hiring people isn't the answer because they went out and hired somebody. And these are professionals with engineering
degrees and all that other stuff who just are just stamping stuff to get it out the door. So, um, that's a long answer to say. I wish I could tell you specifically that, but that's not that is a metric we need to extract and we're going to work on getting a better answer for that. So, staff that's not reviewing, I'm I'm
sure you have administrative staff. They can't just from a I mean, you have the Excel spreadsheets that I'm sure the software could print out very quickly and you be able to give an average on on dates,
you know, when when when was it first reviewed, when was it entered, right? And we I've been working with Barb on getting those reports and the the data points we can have in those reports to get it. And I know it does seem like it's that would be easy to do. For
instance, I wanted to know run a report. Every time we issued a substantial damage letter, that substantial damage letter meant you were not substantially damaged. And you toggled a button, selected that letter. I wanted a report telling me how many of those letters we issued. It's not there. So, it's it's us
it's us getting the software system to work to work better and to make our uh provider understand the importance of that. say it's a smaller software system as well. So they do work with us to build out certain things, but it's not like
Asella that works with these larger governments that already have these programs in place and different reports that you can you can put together that you would typically see. I get you're pulled in 20 different directions. You're in,
you know, you're in meetings. It's you can't spend 60 hours just doing the review process or whatever. Um it's new information. You're telling me that you can't work overtime. We're not allowing overtime to
be spent to actually get additional reviews done by existing city staff. Is that what I'm hearing? It would be for salaried employees, which those are the employees that review the permits. Maybe that's something we need to look
at. Maybe there's a a bonus structure or some sort of overtime structure for salary at least for a period of time. I don't know. I don't know what the answer is. That's what the dialogue, right? But if we have experienced staff
that can work more to get things done and and there has to be a mechanism to be able to allow that to happen and let them be compensated. I'd have to let Robin and Tom speak to that. I feel like there's some Florida stat Florida state federal laws regarding
the fair labor standards that do not allow for overtime to be paid to salaried employees unless that changed, but I don't think it has changed. Um, and again, we can look at salary structures and as we're finalizing the
budget, weren't weren't they working overtime um directly after during the emergency? Yes. And then I was advised that that was not allowed. Oh, I thought it when it was an emergency it was allowed. No, that we were in violation.
So, how's that work exactly? They're they're salaried employees. What if they work one hour in your city or they work a 100 hours in their city? They're salaried. So you can't get you can't we can't pay them what hazard pay or over I mean really
yeah we addressed that and Rob Ishfelder was the one that addressed it in the very very beginning and when we were looking at the personnel policy I think it was I thought they collected their hours and turned them in so that they would we would be reimbursed and they would be paid to I mean we're totally off topic from
that but that I had I had no idea I thought they were being paid well they were storm right no they were Okay. And we have submitted that for reappraisal. Okay. So, they did get overtime anymore. We just can't do it anymore is what you're saying. And we were in violation then. Correct. Correct.
Wow. I'm not happy about that. So, that's not right. That's u not the hole I wanted to go down, but so sorry about that. Um that's a different agenda item. Well, it's really it is, but it's not because it's it's it's related.
Yeah. So, I mean, do we just just the the staff and the availability? Another kind of example of one of the frustrating things we have to go through, too, is recently they took away the Penelis County Licensing Board and how they collected and managed contractor licensing. Now, that falls to the individual municipalities. So, that
was a whole another unfunded mandate that we had to then toggle over and spend a significant amount of time working through getting our software system to do that. And it's still in the process of being done. And that's something we have to do to make sure our contractors are licensed to collect the
insurance forms. So all that stuff just pulls away from all the the things that we're asking for here. And so so would we be served well to have different software? I mean, let me just let me just say this in all transparency.
I I got to spend a great deal of time at city hall right after the hurricanes and listened to a lot of conversations whether it was staff or residents and staff and so I heard a lot of things about the frustrations of the system
that we use and although I think that you all have done a fantastic job with what you have I know that you've made a lot of changes along the way because MGO didn't have it and MGO wasn't really a software that was ever meant for a planning
department. Anyhow, it was it wasn't a it wasn't a product we purchased that we joined together and made a decision goes to the strategic planning. It was a a decision that one department made, but it affected two departments that are really one department, right? Yes.
So, that being said, every time you have to call MGO and have them add something or make a change to that software, do we pay for that? Does that cost us extra? No, we don't get we don't get nickel dimed them for that. Um,
is it ever going to be what it needs to be to serve this city properly? Would be my question. I think it would take a long time to to get there. There's a lot of massaging. It's a lot of of staff time.
So, why would we not start looking at a better option? You have to know one. I mean, you're in the industry. You're you're you have other cities. Surely there's some I would think some opinion you have on what would best suit us and think about it on a growth scale,
right? Don't don't build a program for today, build it for tomorrow. And is there something better? And what does that look like in cost? I mean, yeah, we've we've kind of internally talked about that. Um, obviously right now is not a good time to make that change, but to have that in mind for the
future and um, you know, in in our downtime, what what systems do we know about um, what would serve a government of this size and what we do? I know Asella is just about the best one that I've heard
of. It's very expensive. I know there was I talked to them at one of my latest conferences and there was another county that the county had an interlocal agreement with all the municipalities to use Asella. So that is something that
we've kind of talked to talked about internally. Uh we haven't made any steps but I believe Penllis County uses Asella. So I don't know if there's something that us as the smaller municipalities could talk to them and
get some sort of inter in interlocal agreement because they have done it in another county in Florida. I don't know what that looks like. I haven't explored it but um just briefly talked about that. And there's another permitting software an adjacent community is using
and I literally just asked today if they could get me access to see what the enduser look like. what is the contractor seeing because I know what contractors are seeing on our end. Um, and I posed some questions. So, I I have asked to see and it's not in a seller program so it would be a different one,
but I have asked if I get some privy to that. So, hopefully in the next couple days I'll be able to see that. So, um, thank you. I would think there'd be pretty nice advantage to be able to use the same software that the county's using,
not just not just financially. Anything that we can do that the county is doing just makes it so much easier on our on our end. Yeah. Because they they need access to our data anyway. That makes a lot of sense
from the outside looking in and I don't like the fact that I couldn't give you an answer. So, I gave you a lot of stuff around not giving you an answer, and I know that because I I wanted to explain that, but I'm aware that that that occurred, and I don't have the answer, but wanted to kind of explain to you the layers that go into
that. I get it. It's not It's not easy. And I don't want you to walk away that you're not appreciated. You never You never make us feel that way. No, I appreciate the questions, and it does get stuff out there because you're asking what people want to know.
Thank you. So, this says department updates. Is this where we were going to get updates from the departments, Robin, or is this just specific to plan? Well, it's specific to community development, but if you like some up, we can provide some updates on I'll wait. I'll wait. I was just double
checking. Anything further? So, next on the agenda is tech grants. This community development. All right. Thank you. Um, so we have been talking to Kimley Horn who's doing
our master plan. Um, we also have a contract with them uh from one of the latest contracts that we've did with uh public works. They came to us talking about the community planning technical assistant grant. I am very much in support of
going forward with this. We wanted to bring that to BOC just to discuss. So, this would be um Kimley Horn would be putting together this proposal for the
grant. It's up to $75,000. there's no match is a reimburseable grant and we would like to update a large chunk of our land development regulations specifically focusing on the ones that were discussed through the
master plan as well as a lot of those codes that have not been touched since 1983. Comments or questions? Can we vote yes now? Yeah. Any other comments, questions?
Sounds great. Okay. So, before you leave, um, I want to talk about something. I don't want to talk about it. I want to tell the commission about it. I spoke to Robin about this when I had my one-on-one. I had gotten
some information on the hazard mitigation grant program through the LMS or yeah LMS through the local mitigation strategies and I had a conversation with another city and they had on the day I was with them
had just received the spreadsheet from LMS of what was being sent for requests. And the day I had the conversation, it just so happened that Robin had sent us an email about mitigation and different things. And I had responded and asked
him about what did we request for mitigation and I didn't get a response back from him and which I thought was kind of weird. I told him because he always responds to everything. Um, and then something else came up and I remembered
that I hadn't gotten the email from the person I had spoke with and I sent her a text and she sent me the spreadsheet of what went for loss mitigation. And I read through the spreadsheet and she had said to me, "I don't think y'all
asked for anything. It's $800 million and we did not ask for anything. And the understanding is that every municipality that asked for something got at least
their first request. And when I went through and looked through all of the different items, they're various things. their undergrounding utilities, um fire station, generator,
uh pump stations, reconstruction of water master pump station, um hardening of utilities, generators, just all kinds of things. So, what I
would like to ask all of you to do is to have your one-on-one with Robin and with planning community development department and talk about what went wrong that we did not get something in
this. This is free money. It was if you Robin can share with you the spreadsheet that I had because it tells you what every city asked for, what the estimated total project cost is, what the federal share requested is, and what the local share is.
It's a match. It is. It is not. Some are. No, it says federal and there's an estimated project. There's a federal share request and estimated local. is not a it is not a dollar to dollar match because I mean they're
asking the federal share request is much more than the local. So my point is somewhere we've somewhere we have missed a big boat and please take the time to have the conversation
and get get the information because I don't I mean I don't want to have it here because I don't fully understand it. I just understand that we missed something and well there are multiple ones and that's why I brought up the resiliency that was that is available that we are going to
do that. A lot of the one or some of the ones listed in there are for generators and which we've received in the past through that program. Please take the time to have the conversation and read the spreadsheet and see what municipalities requested so
that you can make your own decision and we can sit up here and have a conversation to figure out what happened and how we make it not happen again. Whether it's a staffing issue, whether it's time, whether whatever it is, I don't know, but this is a huge miss on
our part. Well, I I think we we've it that was discussed internally within the departments what to look for and came back at this point not anything that was immediate that we hadn't already looked at through other sources whether through appropriations or through the FD that
the resiliency grants. So, it's out there. But I'm pretty disappointed that you would say that. Please give them the spreadsheet. Let them have it. have the conversation because to sit and say that there was no need for us to make a make a submission
that that is that that is a totally totally out just out that's just not even right Robin it's $800 million we didn't ask for telling me that we shouldn't have we have to look I wasn't aware of the
entire program but we'll look but I don't know if it was 800 million um if that's the total amount is that from I that you may be conf Are you confusing with the CDBG funding? No. I'm just asking you to share the spreadsheet. Let them have a look. If it's if we didn't apply for any of
it, that that's dead stop. We didn't apply for any of it for this rest. We at one point were talking about having someone on staff that that was
their job was grants grant writer. So the LMS was a it's LMS working group and each municipality has a voting member. So um the LMS group it that they met every
I don't know how often but they had zoom meetings regular and discussed this. So this would have been I mean this has someone assigned to to be on it to do it. I don't know the interworkings of it. I don't understand it. I just know
what I said and I would like all of us to take the time to get educated. I just wanted to take the opportunity to bring that back up because there's value in having someone I mean let's take Megan for example public
works. She shouldn't be researching and figuring out grants. She should be running public works. So, didn't we sign for Grant Works to do that? That's a way to bring back an agreement from Grant Works. Yeah, that we made that decision to move forward with that with Grant Works. But what are they
looking for? Do we do they have an idea what we need in this strategic planning? Okay. I don't I don't pretend to have the answers. I have a lot of questions, but you know, you know, I'm the biggest. Well, I do know that. Well, that's
proponent of grants. Everything everything every expense is brought up here. That's my first question. Have we applied for a grant? So, there's a lot of avenues that we can you I've talked about it when you bring it up. The resources Florida League of Cities. Um,
but I again I don't expect Krabby to be looking for grants for the marina. I you know there's or writing for grants. I've I've learned enough to know that successful grant writing is a art and
it's not something we should expect staff to really know how to do. Well, well, and I think that's why we grant works was who and then they would have been paid they will be paid off of their production and Yeah. Yeah. Right. So that they would we
talked about that but this wasn't a grant. Okay. That's not not you didn't have to write a grant for this. Okay. But I I hear what you I agree with you, but it would still be in their purview to be able to know about it and apply
for things that were that we're in need of on this specific item. I don't think that count. I don't think that that's accurate. That's you've got to learn more about what that I don't I don't think that would apply to this. I know what you're saying, but here I don't think it applies. Okay.
Um, any comments? Next on the agenda is finance continuation of banking services. I'll take this one. So, the city has had a banking relationship with uh Hancock Whitney Bank since, I believe, 2016.
Uh, back in summer of 2022, uh, we entered into a three-year extension with with Hancock. uh through September 30, 2025. So that's when our banking uh our
current contract with Hancock Whitney ends. They proposed another three-year uh extension uh through September 30, 2028. So some of the highle terms are disclosed in the deliverable here in
your in your packet. Basically, there's been no fee increases. Uh, in fact, I think they've honored their their fees back from when we initiated the relationship in 2016. So, we feel those are very fair. We've
never physically paid fees in a very long time uh to Hancock Whitney because their ECR, their earnings credit rate has um always exceeded the fees that uh we would otherwise uh pay. We keep a we have a in our operating account, we have
an automatic sweep into their investment account and maintain a balance of $300,000 in their operating account. So, we have a very good relationship with them. They've been um responsive. Uh we've been impressed with their service delivery. Uh we see no need to go out
and explore the market to to potentially make a change. Um banking services like very various software ERP or other technology platforms can be very difficult to
unwind and make a change. So if we felt there was a need because we were unhappy with their service delivery or had other issues then we would certainly recommend doing that. Um but we do have a good relationship with them and would like to continue that. So
we'd like to uh execute this three-year extension. Um but wanted to bring this to your attention uh just to get your um overall approval before doing so. Comments, questions? We're supporting the staff
recommendation. Yes. Okay. Yes. Yes. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Next on the agenda is public works. True Value Trailer Purchase.
Good evening again and I apologize in advance for my number of items on the agenda. So, um, what I bring before you this evening is the purchase of a True Vac trailer. Um, I think I met with a few of you on your one-on- ones with
Robin. Um, so just to give a little backstory on um the reason why we're kind of shifting and going this route versus a street sweeper is um our street sweeper actually before October one was in non- workinging
capacity. Um it due to the elements um it rusted out. The whole the whole vacuum portion of that street sweeper needed to be replaced. Um, so it just so happened that on the day that we were evacuating for Hurricane Helen, um, we
went to start that and it started leaking oil, so we could not remove it and therefore Helen took it. So, um, as I looked for a replacement street sweeper, the cost of them were over
$400,000. We know that the elements in which we sweep twice a month salt water of a street sweeper here is anywhere from 5 to seven years. So I started looking at contracted street
sweeping services to get the same amount of services we had while it's probably not as good as what we were doing. Um, we are currently spending $2,500 per month versus $400,000
and a staff that is taken off the road for four to six days per month and a CDL driver at that. So what I'm proposing is that we continue to contract out the street sweeping services with SCA or if
they are not making the cut then we move to another provider and then we purchase this truevac trailer which will help us to stay in line with our NPDS. Um we have a um MS4 permit through Penllis
County for the NPDS. This allows us to in the event we have a storm drain inlet that is clogged, a sediment, we need to clean it out, we're having an issue with the pipe, we can use it ourselves. So, it is a trailer that can be manned by
one person, but we always do these operations with two. And it will just allow us to be able to better maintain our systems because contracting out a cleaning of an inlet on a barrier island with tides is really quite difficult and
honestly quite expensive. So what I have provided for you is the quote provided from environmental products. We did just demo this machine. I'd say it's probably been two months now. I can't time gets away from me. Um,
but we cleaned out a inlet down at John's Pass that was completely compacted with sand and this machine did amazing miracles. So, it is um the the compartment is 500 gallons. So, yes, it is a little small, but we do have an
area at the marina that we just may have to take a couple extra trips to dump. But for small jobs, this will definitely get the job done. And the purchase price is $143,570. So I currently have $350,000 budgeted.
So we would be way under budget. And I'm here if you have any questions. Do you have any questions? Commission comments. Have a question. So is this a sweeper or is that is this like a vacuum? It's a vacuum.
So on the back of our old street sweeper, we had what you call like a like a wandering hose. So we utilized that probably way more often than we actually utilize the street sweeper. We had the street sweeper out twice a month. But when we had a issue with the
storm drain or we needed to use our jeter trailer, we could then jet and clean the pipe and suck all the debris out. So this is a it's a trailer in a sense. It's not it's not a truck. And it has a um a vacuum on it. Yeah.
So it can be utilized for other operations as well. And you need an area or a space to store it. I have I have space in my yard to store it. Could we not lease that? They don't lease those items.
And it's much cheaper to purchase it. The maintenance on it is is not is very minimal. How often would you have to clean the pipes? So, we do storm water maintenance daily, weekly. So, it just it depends on
on need. Um, we need we we need to be a little bit better than what we have been because obviously we've been down a street sweeper. So, we clean out by hand or we contract with a service now to come and clean storm drain inlets if we
need it. So, but as I stated, this can operate as so I'm going to give a prime example. Golf Lane. Um I'm getting complaints constantly about the sand on Gulf Lane. Much of it has to do with the properties that have been demoed that
don't have upsilt fences. Well, the street sweeper can't pick up 2 in of sand. It's just not realistic. What we could do with this machine is we could run our little skid steer that we have that has a mechanical broom on it and
then we could run this behind that and suck up the sand that's in the middle of the road. So there's it's not just just specifically for cleaning out storm drain inlets. It also has like a jeter hose on it. If we needed to run an
irrigation line over at Patriot Park, which we're really working on getting that all up and running, we could jet it with this machine as well. Okay, thank you. Are there any other items that you would need to go accessories, a truck to pull
it? I already have all of that. Okay. No other items. Okay, great. No questions. Sport staff recommendations. Okay, next on the agenda is area 3 construction engineering inspection and
approval. Hello again. And I want to apologize. I'm bringing this before you a little late in the game um because as we know area 3 is already ongoing. So when we do a roadway project or really any um
project of any size, we have a engineer that does the construction engineering inspections which includes submitts. They include um on the ground field inspections, oversight over the contractor to ensure that they're one doing the installation
of the pipes correctly, that they are um following the design plans, and if I'm going to be completely honest, this contractor is a new contractor that we haven't worked with before. They're not really quite used to um the barrier
islands and all the conflicts that we have with the utilities that are already underground. So they are quite needy. Um and while I would love to be there and answer and do I don't have the time nor I I that's not my field of expertise.
So, um I'm bringing before you a proposal from uh Terramar, which is one of our consultants that are under contract for the construction engineering inspection services. And also, we do have a grant on this project through FD. So, that also goes in
conjunction with ensuring that we're following those guidelines as well. So I have included in um the scope that is that they've provided that it will follow and here if you have any questions
commission any questions comments so $185,000. Yes. Where is the total project in relation to the what it was budgeted for?
Andrew left. I'm sorry. Um I don't have that off the top of my head, but I could pull that for you and I could get back. Well, I just didn't know if you recall. I You know, we when it was that the total budget for it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For area nine
three. Sorry, excuse me. Pulled up nine. 3.5 million. That's just for this year. It's a mult. Yeah, it's been spread out. So, we are significantly behind on this project. We
we should have started construction on this project a year and a half ago, but because we do have a grant with FDOT, it has significantly put us behind because of their review process. Um, so it's been I think it's been in the
budget for the past three plus years and then we will still follow full into 26 completing this project. So I can get the exact numbers for you. I'm just curious. I mean if it's been delayed three years
experience would say that it's over our budget. If it we got the grant it makes it you know is it under I'm just kind of Are we even? Is this is this 185 still under the what we had budgeted?
I don't believe so. No, we are we this project came in over what we had estimated the cost to be. Well, that's my question. The budget is 8 million 4.5 million in the current fiscal 2025. Then we have for the budget for 2026 3.5
million. So then yes, we are under budget then. Okay. I mean, and we also get a reimbursement from Penelis County on that as well, which is not and within that. Those are just the overall expenses.
I mean, really, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. If it's needed, it's needed. I get that. It's just rationalizing it in my own mind. That's all. They look out for the best interest of the city. Um, and they are eyes and ears
on the ground. at all times. I'm out there once a day depending on my schedule every other day. You need a supervisor. Somebody knows what they're doing. Yes. And we don't have them on staff. We do not. Okay. What's the duration of construction?
This contract was for 270 days, I believe. 270 or 295. I I would have to pull the contract. And And this cost would be just just an inspector, right? Just one inspector. Correct. For less than a year.
Correct. You couldn't hire somebody. It's it's it's so it's it's not as simple as that because you have to have someone who knows the plans because then if you don't have somebody who is familiar with the plans, they're then
ask the questions out in the field about the plans that they're not familiar with and then having to go back to the engineer. So there's still associated costs if you're not utilizing the person that the the company that designed the project. So I'll give you a prime
example. Uh today is Wednesday. Monday we were out on South Bay Shore because the plans have a water mane being replaced on the south side of the road. Well, whenever the area was dug up, we
found that there is a 2-in water line there, that there is an electrical line there, that the um there are utility poles that are in the way. So, with myself, the engineers, Penllis County, the contractor, there
there was six of us out there. We were trying to figure out what the best way possible was to move forward with this and then had to basically design in the field and move the water line to the other side of the road and then still coordinate with Penllis County. So this
is a in conjunction with Penelis County project. So we all agreed to a um a JPA with Penllis County. I don't remember at what meeting it was because they reimburse us for all of their utility costs.
So, this is also them coordinating with the county for the replacement of their utilities as well. Thank you. Is this an all-incclusive um contract? I just recall
um previous projects I think it was Crystal Island that um some the former mayor was very upset that was not correct information. Okay. So at the time that engineer does
multiple things within the city. They work with the planning and zoning department for FEMA mitigation homes for design plans. So the information I believe that was given to him was incorrect and not for
that project. The property address that was listed on the invoice for that was within the project area, but it was completely associated with design plans or a FEMA house or something along those lines. Nothing to do with the road project.
Okay. I just want to make sure we're not going to get No, we will not. you know, because okay, it was 185 to do this, but now we had change orders over. Absolutely not. I will not bring you a change order. I've made that evidently clear to all of them. Okay, great. Thank you.
You're welcome. Then next on the agenda is interlocal agreement with Thompson Consulting Services for debris monitoring. I am preemptively bringing this to you all. Uh this is also a um interlocal agreement with Penllis County several
years ago. We signed contracts that the county had put out to bid. Um I just I only signed with Tetratech. Um but Thompson is another firm that is out there that we have since met with. Um
we've also opened up our expansion with the knock on wood if we have to utilize another debris contractor. Um I've met with another company and their preference is to work with this monitoring company. So I am just simply
expanding our contracts in the event we need something and um ensuring that we are taken care of in the best way and there's no fiscal impact right unless there's a storm. Absolutely. Yes. Thank you.
Comments. Comments. Had we this in place before Helen, how how would we have handled it differently if we'd had uh this in place, how would it have impacted us? It would have just given us another
option for a monitoring firm. It it I wouldn't have changed anything differently that I did for Helen for the debris. Um Tetrate Tech is widely used in Penllis County. They are a great firm. I don't
have any ill will, but say I reach out to Tetrate Tech and they can't get here whenever I want them here. So, we have somebody ready. We have we have we have contracts ready. Thank you, Commissioner. Any comments? No. Thank you, Megan. Next on the agenda is the Military Court
of Honor update July 23, 2025. Just a simple update. Um I've put in here kind of a few um things. While you haven't seen us break ground on the property, we are working on the back end. Um, so we required the contractor
to do all of the concrete work as samples um 2 by two squares. So the contractor has done the um pebble aggregate. They did the shell aggregate, which I'm very happy that we made them do because I do not like it. It is
terrible. Um, so we have since pivoted um, and just as of today, which we don't have a sample of it yet, but we are going to use um, a shell lock paper, I think is probably the best way to put it, but it's a it's a paper and it has
shells embedded in it. Really pretty. A lot of people use them around here for their pool patios. Um, the reason for that being was have have any of you seen um kind of around properties where they have the mortar and the shelves kind of stuck in
it? Works great if you're not stepping on it. So, on a on a surface that you're stepping on, it's it's not and it was not pretty. Um, all of the other items have been great. The peeppole was great. Um, we did the black epoxy. We made them
do that for a 28 period before we approve it. So we are in um I would say the second or third week of them pouring that. Um I we also there was a a slip this
project has been going on since 2019. So we found that the swift mud permit that we thought had been applied for has not. Um, this project fell into my lap at the end whenever it was already designed. So, we are now working with to get the
swift mud. We already have a permit on that property. So, it is not as simple as just filing for an exemption. We have to file to change the permit that we currently have. So, we're working through that right now. Um, and I I don't have a a set date of when we're
going to break ground, but I will keep Robin updated. And I also will keep my project update updated. Comments, questions. No, thanks for the update. I'm just looking forward to seeing it.
It's It's going to be very pretty. We I also forgot to mention we end we ordered the benches and I believe the flag poles have all been ordered. So, all the submitts have been ordered. We're just working through the ground work. Awesome. Thank you. Next on the agenda is John's Pass Jetty update July 23rd,
2025. I'm just for my sanity, I'm just when I do these updates, I'm going to keep them going just to show and so you'll see towards the the end that there's an asterisk by July 8th. So I did receive the permit um from FT for
the installation of the MOI mat and I believe weather dependent it's going in tomorrow. So I had applied for that but because we're in the middle of turtle season FWC had to review it and typically they don't. Not a problem. they they allowed it. Um we are working
with the engineering firm to complete the design plans and we are still waiting for information from FD on the mean high tideline I believe. Um but I'm not sure have any of you seen the finished jetty that they've completed
within the last I'd say a few months. Do are you aware of it? Mhm. Um, their jetty was severely damaged and they finally just opened it back up not not too long ago. But what they did was they did like an asphalt kind of
sidewalk which asphalt is more flexible than concrete. So I think as I mentioned we are we are looking at all avenues because those those rocks are going to shift. That's what they do. um we don't want to be in a situation where we spend
a lot of money and then all of a sudden we have a trip hazard two months later. So once we once we have the design, it's just the material and I don't I don't think we'll have a hard time finding that. It just may sampling materials and
seeing what may be best for that environment because again that is a harsh environment. It gets splashed by the salt water and salt water eats up everything. So, wouldn't wouldn't asphalt shift very easily and break up and become a a hazard.
Theirs looks amazing. Um, one was a poured recently. I They're on my list to reach out to and I I apologize. I have not done that yet. Um, but I'm going to get their design plans because it's much like ours. So, they've would have
obviously gone through the rigorous engineering and I would hope sampling. So I always like to see what others have done that have similar items and obviously if it works for them and it's working then
I'll definitely give it a thought and obviously talk to our engineers about as well. That would be my concern is that has been over too many asphalt pavements that buckled. There's also different I guess there's
different rock sizes that you can put in asphalt. So that's kind of what we did on Gulf Lane. We didn't use the standard asphalt. So there those are different options as well. I was just mentioning if anybody had seen it just an option. I don't think there's been much jetty work
that's been done, sidewalks that have been done. So, that was just one that maybe I was talking about it and it just popped up on my feed. They're always listening. Absolutely. They are for sure. Any other comments? Next on the agenda is 2026 John Deere
Gator discussion. So, I have in the budget uh for 2025 the purchase of a new gator. Um, I budgeted $25,000. My current Gator is a 2016 and has been
outside um because we don't have a place to store it inside until now. Um, now we have a a utility room at Archbald where it currently is at. But, um, my horn doesn't work anymore. My backup beeper stopped working. Um, I've got holes
rusted through the frame of it. It's it it's past its useful life and honestly it's not super safe to take out on the road and that's where we utilize it utilize it on the road. We utilize it on the beach. Um so I am bringing forth
the purchase of a 2026 Gator. The price came in from um Everglades for $23,355, which leaves me an additional $1,645 for emergency lights. The only item that
will be outfitted on this will be emergency lights. My current Gator has a a strobe light on the top and then it has I think it's two strobe lights on the front grill and the back. That is just because my rules are if you're out
on the street in a sidebyside and not in a regular vehicle, I want those flashing lights on so you're seen a little bit better. So, I will stay within my allotted $25,000. And I've already kind of quoted out the the lights and those are way less than
$1,000. Comments. Is is that price pretty competitive with other manufacturers? I have received a few different quotes because I wasn't sure which one I want which one I wanted. I need a
four-seater. So, that kind of cuts down my options there. So, I received a quote for a Kabota, which was a little bit less, but the Kabotas are very slow. The top speed on that was 24 miles hour. I like it to go at least 35 so it can at
least not get ran over on the road. And then I priced out a Polaris which was over my budget. So yes, very comparable. Plus it's on the Sourcewell contract. So if you look on the if you look on the proposal, we get a pretty significant discount for being a member of
Sourcewell. Thank you. Comments. So, I appreciate that it's on the agenda even though it's under it's approved and it's under the 30,000. Are you sure you're not going to trick it out and go over budget?
I will not go over budget. I will stay within my $25,000 and I appreciate that you broke out what the um extras would be. So, but again, it it was already approved when we budgeted it. So, thank you. Thank you.
Um, next on the agenda is Penllis County Joint Participation Agreement Area 5. This is another roadway project that we are near the final design. Uh, and this is part of that um funding that you hear Andrew mention about. Um, with that
series 2019, this is the last part of that. Um, so we again coordinate with Penllis County whenever we do these roadway projects so that the county can replace their aging infrastructure because the last thing I want to do is spend millions of dollars on a road
project and then have the county come in and cut up our brand new asphalt to replace a water line that's leaking. So we coordinate with the county for several years. I have a project list with the county and to ensure that they look at their infrastructure and replace
it. So, this is just agreeing to the road project, the area, their cost, and that they will reimburse the city. We just signed one of these for area three. So, you'll see um the pricing is
included. I believe my computer's having a moment. Did I include? Yes. So you'll see that the county's total estimated cost is a little over $1.5 million that they will
reimburse us for this project. Any comments or questions? So the Panelis County it is I mean we're working with them as far as utilities, right? There's really not we don't have a county road here except maybe Doomy
Road just a portion of it. So this is merely just fix fixing their utilities to make sure that the infrastructure is good before we pave. Correct. Yes. So you'll see on the page after uh page 389 in your packet,
you'll see the map, the area map that shows the lines that the county will be replacing. So the way that they find those lines is they look at their GIS maps and if any lines are ductal iron those automatically are getting replaced
or if they have a line that has obviously significant issues then those are replaced in these projects as well. Those uh ductal iron pipes are they being replaced with PVC? Yes. Thank you.
You're welcome. Any additional comments or questions? Grant works. Love it. Grant works. I have requested grants on this project on this area. This is one that I did not receive one, but I I requested um the I
I I can't remember. We requested from I believe Department of Commerce. Department of Commerce. Um there's there's been three and I haven't received any information. How about on the gator?
I'm sorry. How about on the gator? Did we investigate? I did not. Next on the agenda is Bokea Straightin project update 72325. Same as um the Patriot Park Court of
Honor. Uh we are working through the submittals through acquiring the um the papers for this project. The papers unfortunately are a four to 8 weekly time. So those have been purchased um
and I believe did I get So they're they're hoping that they're going to mobilize on August 18th. That way by the time the pavers do arrive, they will be able to start the installation. So I will keep
you all updated with my project updates on that as well. And this will be a simply a fairly simple project. I already have all the plants. We did purchase those through our our um nursery and I I believe I I brought that
before you all as well. So, we had pulled that out of the project, but I will still stay within the project cost of $150,000. So, I had a contingency, but that contingency covered the cost of the plants. So, we are ensuring that. Awesome.
No change orders. Awesome. Any comments or questions? Good job. Thank you. Next on the agenda is FDOT 150th Avenue resurfacing. I believe this is my last one. So, I was
tasked by Robin to reach out to FDOT to see if there was a schedule for the resurfacing of 150th and this is what they sent. So, from the map, you'll see that 150th is listed on here. Um, it is
listed for fiscal year 2028. Um, and I know that it was brought up, I wasn't at the last meeting, but I know that it was brought up about the depressions that you're seeing along 150th. Those are Penllis County sewer main. The
county is aware that that pipe is is is in a sense failing sanitary sewer line. Sewer line. Yes. All all of the depressions that you have that have popped up since hurricane Helen, those are those are the sanitary
sewer line. Does that mean that the erosion occurs sewer lines broken and erosion's occurring? There is an issue with So when you see a depression anywhere in the area, there is a utility line underneath that is
failing. I don't know the extent of that. It's because it's not our utility. Um, but I do know that Penelis County is aware because the one that is closest to the lift station by the marina and the public works yard, we were contacting
FDOT about that because we thought it was their storm drain that was failing because we had a failure of their storm drain pipe that is in Patriot Park. After FDOT had been out to patch it several times, they then did a little bit more investigation and found that it
was Penelis County Sanitary Line. And if you follow that line, there was depressions happening all over. So FDOT will also coordinate with the county for their milling and resurfacing
depending county typically likes to line their pipes rather than replacing depending on the state of the pipe. Um, but I have not I have not received any updates on that. So, the pipes need to be repaired, right? Or lined.
My assumption from my experience is that the pipe is is failing. But I do not have any more details than that except for the depressions that are open. Do you know if they're VCP pipes or PVC? I do not know. We don't we don't really
have access to their their GIS. Would they TV the lines if we ask them? We could request them to do that. We've requested that in other locations. That's one way to know if the pipes are failing. I would agree, but it's on our utility.
So, I can request it and it's and again, it's been reported to them on several occasions, but I don't know if they've tied the line. They don't share that information with us unless we request it. Yes, there are lines but of course you know the services hasn't been
stopped utility services which is good but the roads are failing so and and that causes unsafe situation. So I would fully agree with you. FDOT whose roadway it is is aware and they typically have more grit with the county
to make them correct any utility issues because ultimately at the end of the day the liabilities on FDOT. Yeah. Thank you. You're welcome. Any additional comment? So next on the agenda would be respond
to public comment. And we did not have any public comment or questions at the beginning. But before we adjourn, um Robin, we we haven't had any real updates on storm damage specific like Kitty Stewart
Park, um Archabald, Rec, the Rec Center, or downstairs. Could we please at our next meeting get a solid update on where those four projects are? Because I get asked and we don't have an answer. I don't want it tonight because it is
almost 11 o'clock and it was not on the agenda. But if it could be broken out, we'll just list them individually as agenda items just so that we the snack shack most especially everybody wants I say everybody. Lots of people want to know about that. And Kitty Stewart Park
and the county. Yeah. And well the county lot there is an update on the county's website. They update it regular and they've been working on it. So they're just waiting for Smith fence. Yeah. Yeah. So if there's nothing more, it is 10:46
and we are adjourned. Thank you. Thank you very much.