Yeah, everybody. All right, I'll uh go ahead and call this meeting to order at just uh one minute after six. Would you please call the role? >> Chairman Wyoff, >> I am present. Thank you. >> Chairman Cloud >> here. >> I mean, Commissioner Cloud, I just elevated you. I
>> already got a promotion. Pay is terrible. I'm used to it. >> Commissioner Dylan >> here. Commissioner Noble, Commissioner Connelly, Commissioner Maher >> here. >> Commissioner Laroo >> here.
>> Thank you. >> All right, we do have a quorum, so we can continue. Uh, our next topic here would be for any public comment. Seeing no public to comment, we'll skip the public comment section. Uh, and we'll go right into the approval of minutes. Uh, trusting everyone has reviewed the
minutes from last meeting. And if anyone has a motion to approve, we'll take it now. Motion to approve the minutes from the last meeting. >> All right, we have a second. >> Second. >> Thank you. Let's call the role. >> Commissioner Maher,
>> yes. >> Commissioner Dylan, >> yes. >> Commissioner Laroo, >> yes. >> Commissioner Cloud, >> yes. >> Chairman Woff, >> yes. >> Thank you. >> Minute to approve. Thank you. Next item is old business. Uh, we have one item of old business. Ordinance 2026-02,
nonconforming time limitations. Someone from the city like to bring our group up to speed. >> Yes. Uh, uh, so we talked about this last meeting about how all the
structures that were d got damaged from the hurricane, if it's less than 50%, they have to be repaired. Right now it says repairs have to be completed within 18 months. Uh we talked about how uh we felt that 18 months was reasonable but we didn't really do we didn't really
push it out fully. So we talked about extending it to two years for Helen and Milton. So in the packet is the revised ordinance based on that feedback. Uh we brought this to the city commission for
the first time at a workshop at the last workshop. They didn't have any comments on it. Um and it's presented in the same format um before you today that they saw. But one thing I want to point out that may differ slightly from what we
talked about last time is last time we talked about non-conforming uses and extending that deadline as well. But I just wanted to one thing I forgot to mention that time that I thought about after we left was that uh the uses
really never stopped like uh for example someone brought up like the Elks lodge how it's already been passed a year because it says a year for uses u but that's not really relevant because it's only if the use is terminated and the Elks lodge the use never terminated. So they're fine they're not in violation of
our ordinance. So this is just the structures extending that to two years. And then like I mentioned last time, we're going to redo this entire non-conforming section and do a deeper dive and more research on the full section. This is just to get the
timesensitive portion out. >> Excellent. Thank you. Anyone have any questions? I've got something that when I went to the workshop, excuse me, somebody had brought up the idea of if they are
currently waiting on Elevate Florida, uh, as to whether or not if we could put something in for that because as we all know, government runs very very slowly. So, just as that one little caveat, I think other than that, it looks perfect and and I believe everybody was on board
with it and and the people I was sitting with, I don't think made it too verbal, but it's something like yes, I mean, you'll elevate Florida and and I would say it just as a matter of if they can prove um you know, show show documentation
that it's in the works. So just to address that um that did come up and it's a common misconception in the workshop the elevate Florida and but if you're elevating that it's more than 50%. So there's already no time limitation on if it's more than 50%. So
they don't have to worry about that. There's no time limit if you're rebuilding. We already have a section of our code 11096 I believe it is rebuilding after catastrophic loss. Um and that doesn't have a time limitation. We talked to the
city attorney and he confirmed even before the hurricane since it doesn't specify a time limitation there is no time limitation for people that are building new or elevating. Um and then we even added in here just to clarify
time limitation number seven there >> that there is no time limit. Well, now the the question I think now that you brought that up maybe if they're in the Elevate Florida program but then they get rejected then what happened? I mean, but that's assume but that they're in
Elevate Florida because they're over 50%. Is that >> sometimes? So, they could be trying to elevate um even if they're not substantially damaged. True. if they're and that's just going to come with the push that we're going to try and do and let people know like, hey, if you want
to repair under the 50% rule, you have this two-year deadline, September 25th, 2026. Um, and if they're waiting on Elevate Florida, and that's going to make or break whether they're going to elevate or repair, then that's a decision they'll have to make.
>> Yeah, I think it's impossible to try and legislate, for back lack of a better term, for every single possible whatif. I think we've got to have some, you know, humanity in the situation. At some point when these come up, there are going to be some one-offs that we'll have to look at that you guys will have to look at a staff and either bring it
to the commission or special magistrate or whatever to to decide. I think that's probably the best answer. Um, rather than adding pages into an ordinance that for a very limited situation, my opinion. So, I I like what you guys did. I think
it looks great. Anyone else got any questions? This could be a new world record, by the way. Uh, no. No other questions. Any discussion on uh on this between us here
or anybody want to make a motion to approve it? I'll make a motion to approve ordinance 20262, non-conforming time limitations. All right, we've got a motion. Do we have a second? >> I'll second that motion.
>> Wonderful. Thank you so much. Is there any discussion on the motion? >> I don't see any. Let's call the role. >> Commissioner Dylan, >> yes. >> Commissioner Cloud, >> yes. >> Commissioner Maher, >> yes.
>> Commissioner Laroo, >> yes. >> Chairman Woff, >> yes. Motion carried unanimously. Thank you. Thank you staff for your diligent effort on this one. Uh I didn't see anything uh under new business on our agenda. Anybody have any new business they wanted to bring forward? Actually,
we can't because it wasn't noticed. So there's that. Um so any discussion among the planning commission for the betterment of our fine town city incorporated in 1947? >> I I had a random question. Perhaps it's
random. uh the the extensive work on on 140th and Puit it seems like it's come to a complete standstill. Uh I don't know if you guys know how the project management schedule looks and how it's deviated from that schedule. I don't
know What's that? Well, all of once it turns into puit once it >> Yeah. Yeah. Hello. Yeah. So, um that's being managed through public works. So, I apologize
for this delay there. I'm in permit mode. Um I believe they are getting close to wrapping up in the it's it's coming close to wrapping up. I can't I know that Megan said hopefully the next I think we were just talking about like month or two, but I don't
want to I don't want to misstate that. So, we can get a I can get with public works and better understand their their schedule, but I do know that it is getting close to wrapping up. >> Yeah, it it seemed a bit start and stopy.
>> Yeah, I I can't speak to the nuances of it, so I apologize about that. But yeah, um we can I can get you an email. I can follow with Megan and send you guys an email and she kind of give you a status update. Yeah, it's just the question I get from everybody I know who I've made the mistake of saying I was a planning
commissioner and they think I know everything about so yeah not not our lane but >> yeah like yeah >> no plan ended on the road talk about that but >> um I had a question on you you know going back to our last meeting about the
uh density stacking thing in C3 and C and U C4 is there any progress going on So, um, trying to think a lot of stuff going on. I mean, the main thing is like it that would need to be a comp comp
plan amendment to add into our uh into our zoning and we confirm that uh with with the county. Um, because I'll have to review it. Um we have a lot on our our plate right now but uh
>> definitely our goal is to definitely bring that forward sooner than later but as of right now we don't have an ordinance uh uh written up but it would take us to do and the comp plan amendments has to be reviewed by the county and state and uh some other state
and regional agencies. So that can take up up upwards of uh some cases a a year depending on how long it takes for them to review it. Um >> it
why why is it a comp plan? Be >> because our comp plan doesn't have that for that land use. It's an optional bonus that the countywide rules has. Okay. >> That we don't have in our comp plan. >> I see. >> Um so we would have to add it. It's like
it's kind of it's like a so one of the bonuses we do have in it that's from was the like al alternative temporary lodging use standards which we have in our comp plan. So we were able to put that in the zoning but the other the density intensity stacking we don't have that in our comp plan yet. So we'd have to add it before adding it to the zoning.
>> That makes sense. I I just in my opinion I think it creates more of a village feel if we can have that you know the mixed use on on the properties but because they're so um restrictive if you will uh you know to
how many units and how much floor area ratio you can occupy on a particular commercial space. It doesn't allow that to happen right now. So I think and I'm not trying to tell you to rush. I'm just telling you it's something to keep on the radar. I think it's I think it's an important change. I think it would change kind of a little bit of the facade of the Gulf Boulevard a bit
>> for for sure. And and I mean you guys did adopt that the C3 setback ordinance. >> I love that. That's great. >> So that that was kind of a big first step to helping us support that. So >> yeah, that was great. Appreciate that. Okay. Thanks for the update on that. Uh
any other discussion or questions? >> Yeah, I had a question back on the the time frame extensions that we just approved. What did we sync up the the trailer in your front yard thing to match those
dates or where are we on that? >> I mean that's that's based on a state law that we had to adopt into our code. Um so where we kind of had to adopt this I think um >> I think that gives you two years and you get an option one more year. Right. >> I'll have to look at the exact
ordinance. I think there was something about like if you're you have to be making a good intent to like rebuild. >> Yeah. But but we kind of there was like a state law we had that preempted us on that. So we had to >> I think it was a blanket two year and then you can get one more year if you're
still in the building process making effort. >> Okay. I think that's sort of how it was worded in layman's terms. But >> so that that matches well enough. >> Yeah it does where we're going with the time extensions for the building and permit. Yeah. Okay. That works for me.
It's just a >> Yep. It's this one. Okay. Because we have the It is uh 36 months. um and based off of the language from the statute and then and then we have this in our code now. But I was just trying to find
the ordinance that adopted it. >> Nice. Thank you. >> All right. Any else, >> John? >> Yeah. When since we're talking about things outside our lane, I seem to recall sometime last year the city manager coming in here and talking about the Penelis County parking lots across
the street from the gas station and s been sitting there in disrepair for >> sat there with piles of sand. Now it's got orange snow fence over there with I guess two things plan to maybe push them along. They're slow moving and he
mentioned buying it or purchasing it which is way outside of what we do here but maybe something to think about especially if you get elected Chuck but you know it just seems like it's in the middle of our town and it's sitting there and I don't think >> that's the county's thing right
>> I know but yeah >> you know I'm tired of looking >> no I mean how do how how how can we push them to get it done just throwing that out there >> it really looks crappy right >> you know then the schooner things next door So you got this whole void. >> Yeah.
>> At least the schooners getting decorative. They're putting they put their uh silt fence up with the rendering on it. >> Love some silt fence. >> Progress. >> Yeah, progress. >> Um I have one thing. This uh 555th,
there's two town halls this week, right? To talk about kind of what people think we should do. And this may not be a question that can be answered right now, but I'm trying to understand since the city purchased that
property, right? and it was a PD like what it it does something happen there automatically by the with the city
purchasing the property or are we going to have to go through like a process to I'm just trying to get an understanding of especially if we go if any of us go there you know when people are throwing out ideas just to understand maybe what the next steps are in general or
depending on what comes out of those meetings. >> We'll have to reszone the property back to uh I think the original zoning district it was C4 marine commercial. So that would involve public hearings and and you guys would uh see and vote on it
once once we move forward with that >> and the PD the PD goes away because it the PD is very specific to the the developers and the permanent plan. And so it was very specific. So that that goes away. But as part of the process,
then we do it what Andrew just described is zoning it back to its previous designation. >> And then if obviously the city decides, well, we want to do X with it and it doesn't align with that C4, then we may
have to reszone that again. I I don't know. I'm just being hypothetical here. I think I'm trying. Or would the city have to get a PD from the city? >> Yeah. How does that >> Yeah. I mean, that's why I'm a little bit like I don't know. >> Yeah. So, what we did talk about that today, oddly enough. So, we did discuss
the fact that from these conversations, we we may very well come up with a a use there that may not be specifically permitted. But let's say we do have an option as a special exception use. Then when we go ahead and fix our code and stuff like that, we may be able to just
go ahead instead of it something being like a special exception use, just make it a permitted use. Uh such as like even like a um um a municipal building there or a municipal occupied building there. That would be a special exception use. So that may be something that we want to
just add as a by right permitted use when we go through that process. But that would have to be a change to C4. But that's why it'll be critical to figure out from the community what our direction is. is that way when we reszone it back to what it was or whatever we have to do to move forward, we'll we will take that into
consideration with the next process step. So the first part is figuring out kind of our direction and what we do intend to use the property for. >> Has there been any talk of like an ad hoc committee or something for that property? >> I anticipate that's probably where all this will go is kind of create
formalizing some of that. Yeah, we did that a long time ago when we were talking about repurposing or retooling the city marina property and we had an ad hoc committee and you know residents were 10 or 12 people I think we were on it and you know gather a lot of input
and everybody had their own little specialties and the people were picked because of their experiences and things like that and and others were just random you know right added in to get citizen input but it it seemed to go pretty well although we didn't really do
after all was said and done. But that's kind of where it went was that that was not to p come to pass, you know. >> So anyway, if that if if anybody's listening, I think that'd be a great idea to have an ad hoc committee to look into it.
>> I've got a couple of things. I want to thank the city, whoever was responsible for all the grading that was done up there. I drove by the other day and it looks fantastic. >> Yep. Uh Megan and Clint were really um working with the um the company that
utilized the property when we first purchased it. They were still in the process of utilizing it. So we had an agreement with them that once they were done, they would clear some of the trash, grade it out, and I agree with you. It looks much better. So you have Clinton, Megan to to thank for staying on top of that. Megan went for
>> good stuff. And then the other one since John you opened the door here. Um does this committee want to potentially take on more responsibilities? Uh I know we have talked about this many times about taking more responsibilities
and I believe it was we were told that it has to come from the top down. So it has to come from the BOC. So, if indeed you folks are interested in taking on more responsibility here,
uh, and potentially lightening up the load of the BOC, um, let me know. Or if if you're opposed to it, you know, just one way or the other. But, um, I second that. Um, you know, it's just the
transparency, you know, is is something and that's just like I bring up some of these things, but like uh it's amazing how many of the people in the city don't realize that the whole city votes for each individual district. I was sitting
the other day with people and they said, "Well, we'd like to vote for you. we like this, but we live in district four, so how can we vote for you? So, the transparency is getting a lot better. In fact, I got an email that Tom and Kitty Stewart parking lot is now
going to have four parking spots open and that was something that I discussed with Megan at the um at the workshop and made it happen. So, it's just like there there's there's a lot of things that
could be done, but a lot of it needs to be thought out and asked. Uh, so, but once again, everybody at the city is doing their best. Thank you.
All right. Any more good? All right. Um, that was our discussion. Perfect. So, the next meeting we have scheduled for the second. So, I did bring it up before everybody got here. Um, I don't know what quorum's going to look like on the second. I will not be able to make it.
Uh, I'll be in Miami. I didn't realize that when we were doing our scheduling, otherwise I would have brought it up sooner. But as long as we feel like there's going to be a quorum, fine. But if we have an issue, is there anything pressing on the agenda that we have? Do we know? I hope it's gonna be a really long
meeting because I won't be here, >> right? Okay. All right. Well, we'll leave it as it stands, assuming everybody can make it, and we'll do our uh text confirmation of who who can and can't be there, and we'll deal with it as it comes, but I will not be able to make it, so I'm sure we'll be in good hands
regardless. Okay, that seems to be about it. Our next meeting is on the second then, same place, same time. And that's the end of the meeting for now. No gavvel, we're out. Thank you. Ajourned.