all right everybody Welcome Let's get ready Oh that's wrong wrong venue Uh thanks for being here Um I'm going to call this meeting to order If you would please call the role Chairman Woff present Commissioner Cloud present
Commissioner Dylan here Commissioner Noble Commissioner Connelly here Commissioner Maher Commissioner Laroo here Thank you All right We do have a quorum So that's good We can keep on going Um I would call for
public comment but there is no public here to comment So we'll uh dispense with that Uh I need a motion for approval of the minutes from the March meeting Please Yeah Right I make a motion to approve
the minutes as written Got a motion Anybody got a second for me i'll second it Thank you sir All right All in favor of approval of last meetings minutes please call the role Commissioner Dylan yes Commissioner
Connelly yes Commissioner Maher Whoops Commissioner Laroo yes Commissioner Cloud yes Chairman Woff yes Thank you All right Minute approved I don't see anything under new business at this point Um or anything under old business
So we're going to go right into our administrative presentation Thank you for being here Make sure it's all right Well thank you all for having us tonight Um I know we've been here before but I'll reintroduce myself My name is Hannah
Schaefer I'm an urban planner at Kimley Horn and I'm joined by Madison Parker today who's also an urban planner on this project So we wanted to come here today and kind of give you an update on where we're at with the project and what we've heard so far from our community engagement and some of the things that we're doing right now and give you a
preview of our draft goals and recommendations in the plan as they stand today and talk about what's next in the project So in terms of you know schedule we are still on track We're probably going to end up completing this early summer end
of spring time frame which is pretty good considering you know we did have a little bit of an interruption last fall So we'll be rolling out the final plan um beginning of summer and the June time frame So that's when we'll have our final community engagement
meeting And just a reminder the purpose of the plan it is a long-term vision for the city So we're establishing goals and recommendations to guide that vision which we've heard from community members but also backed by um data and existing conditions analysis as
well And what we've heard so far and what we've done so far we've held two um community workshops Our second one was in January which was um more attended than the first one which was good And we had you know productive discussions which we don't always get in communities
So it's really encouraging to see that you know the community members care and really want to have productive conversations and are really invested in their community We've also attended several pop-up events um throughout um the year of this project um different demographics So we've really heard from
a lot of different people whether it's residents young or old people who are visiting here just for the weekend or for the day or people who come here every year It's like a family vacation for them So we've heard a lot of different feedback which is
good And we also had um our first online survey last year and we do have our second online survey happening right now So you may have seen um some flyers or notifications about it We're going to continue pushing through social media um
email list serves that we've um built up through the time that we've been conducting outreach And if you all can pass this information on to your constituents as well that would be really helpful We're trying to get as much feedback as possible on the draft recommendations and how we can
prioritize those recommendations And we still have our interactive online map going which has been um online throughout the project and we're up to 56 comments as of a couple weeks ago And every time we go to these pop-up events and the community um workshops
we're always asking people what their vision is for MadiRaa Beach And we get a range of answers You see some of these on screen here A couple weeks ago we were at the John's Pass Seafood Festival We got a lot of comments about parking a lot of comments about you know events
and wanting to see more events in the city So really a range um that is reflected in the recommendations which I'm going to go through tonight And our recommendations and goals follow the six focus areas as
we're calling them And you'll see as I go through them they kind of follow the same pattern We have a goal which is the umbrella of the focus area and then under that umbrella are the specific recommendations and strategies to help achieve that goal
And I'll note that a lot of these um recommendations can fall into multiple focus areas but we did have to decide where to put some So if you see um a focus area and you're wondering why maybe something isn't in there it might be further down the road And of course if you do feel like things are missing
that's what we want to hear from you tonight is get your feedback on you know if there's things that you saw in here that you really like and we should prioritize or if there's things that might be missing or need to be changed a little bit And where we're at right now with the recommendations you know we've
heard a lot from the community So we're really um in the final stages of any any last things we can add and then also working with the city and the different departments to ensure that these recommendations are implementable and that they're going to work And then
we'll also be holding stakeholder meetings with other agencies like FDOT and Ford Penelis to make sure that any of the recommendations that may affect them or may require their partnership are supported by them as well
So I'll start with um the first goal and I'll kind of read the goal statement give you the highlights of the recommendations and if you have any questions you want to come back to something we can definitely come back to this after the presentation is over or if you want to jump in we can have more
of a discussion Um we can keep it pretty formal or informal tonight So the goal for the mobility and transportation focus area is to create a safe and convenient transportation network that prioritizes all users including
pedestrians cyclists motorists and public transit users So some of the recommendations that fall under this goal really relate to just providing transportation for for all modes It's not prioritizing only
cars or only bicyclists So it's providing you know sidewalks where there might be gaps providing safer bike lanes so people can travel safely on Gulf Boulevard providing um more bike parking at destinations providing more parking
in general um for for cars So that's some of the main themes that we've heard And for the new development redevelopment uh focus area our goal statement is to support sustainable growth that balances community identity
with economic vitality by directing growth towards the city's activity centers while maintaining neighborhood character And this really stemmed from a lot of what we heard was you know people want to see growth in the city improve and
redevelop but they want it to meet the character of the city They want it um responsible controlled growth where it makes sense and matches what you have now and and reflects the overall character So that can be done through um
a number of ways mostly through land development codes standards regulations things like that And our goal statement for economic and business development is to foster a thriving local economy that supports small business development and
encourages a diversity of entrepreneurial activities that meet the daily needs of year-round residents while also providing memorable experiences for visitors And again very similar to the previous goal in recommendations that
some of these overlap a little bit because as you get new development you get economic development Um but mainly it's you know fostering a place where people can open a small local business and those businesses thrive in focusing on things like that um utilizing the
amenities you have here with the working waterfronts and really leveraging that huge asset you have for economic development and for sustainability and resiliency The goal statement is to promote stewardship of coastal resources
and invest in adaptive infrastructure to mitigate flood risk and support long-term community resilience Of course we know this is a pretty important one for the city And I think what we've heard um throughout our engagement is ensuring that you know when the next
storm or hurricane hits the city is more resilient and can can bounce back quicker And so that includes you know improving infrastructure improving buildings and things like that The goal statement for the parks recreation and public space focus area
is to optimize the use and accessibility of existing public spaces and recreation amenities to better serve the needs of current and future residents and visitors Some of the main things we heard was you know people love the park
spaces you have here Like Rock Park is a huge amenity and you have some other other smaller pocket parks So how can you activate those better utilize the space that you have um for certain programming or certain activities that may be missing in the community so that
can be assessed through um a parks and recreation master plan Um and we'll be listing some strategies um in the master plan as well to activate some of those areas And the final focus area is beautifification and placemaking And the
goal is to encourage creative planning design and programming of public and private spaces to increase cultural and social vibrancy and reinforce Madiraa Beach's identity is a small fishing village that has evolved into a must- vvisit coastal
destination And some of the key things we heard um is more public art and public art that really speaks to the history and culture of the city um lowmaintenance landscaping which again can kind of fall into the parks and
recreation category Um but low maintenance landscaping that can stand the test of time um and won't require too much maintenance and also you know revamping the existing public facilities through um facade improvements paint um
public art and what's next for us I I know I mentioned that we're currently working with city staff to really refine these recommendations and strategies to make sure they are realistic and implementable um for the city And then we're also going to be identifying other
funding opportunities to help achieve some of these recommendations and goals And then we'll continue with our last phase of community engagements Right now we have the online survey that is occurring and we'll have um those stakeholder meetings with FDOT PSTA and
forward Penelis to ensure that any recommendations that we're um providing in the plan that might touch them or fall under their jurisdiction um has their support and future partnership as well Uh and then we'll have our final community workshop in the June early
June time frame to really roll out the final master plan So that's all I have tonight and I know I went through the goals and recommendations really quickly So I know if there's anything you all want to come back to more than happy to have a
discussion on that I've got a few uh one in terms of uh golf carts considered in the transportation Yeah I'll go back to transportation I'm not sure if we specifically said anything here but that has something that is something that's
come up is um golf cart parking um is one Um golf cart crossings um especially along state roadways can be complicated Um so something that we're definitely looking into Um I don't recall off the top of my head a specific strategy um
just focused on golf carts but maybe Madison you can pull it up and we can list that out Well I'm talking mostly in terms of like for parking Yeah there were two motorcycle parking spots in the whole
city as of year and a half two years ago and they were changing those two motorcycle parking spots to motorcycle/ golf cart Mhm But you're talking about more bicycles but there's more and more golf carts in the
community also and they can take up less spots Yeah And that's something that's you know not unique to Mader Beach It's unique I think to all beach communities So we're definitely seeing more and more of that And a strategy we do have listed in here is for the city to examine their
um on-site parking regulations So that would be something that they would look at when the time comes is you know can you be more flexible and allow more golf parking with the limited amount of space you might have parking is really a big getting to be a big deal And as more and more of these lots go private the the
cost the the fees they're charging I mean they're driving people away It's it really is We have such a shortage of city sponsored parking that's at a reasonable rate and then you get these other ones that you know if you after the seafood festival if you went through any of the social media feeds and next door and things you know people were
really upset about paying $30 to $70 an hour for parking Yeah Um and I know there's no way to regulate that I mean not that I'm I mean no I know we don't have it now I don't know if there is some way to I mean I guess you can't stop capitalism right but but at some point
it's detrimental to the community at large Mhm Is there any licensing that you need to operate a parking lot yes Okay Restrictions So there's you can't have a parking lot
in your house No what I'm basically saying is and I've heard this $20 an hour to go to the you know Mhm by this time you spend three four hours there it's a lot of
money So how do you control that um through licensing And then there's got to be a balance In other words you know let's say Times
Square or you know any place on a holiday I can understand you know getting a little extra money but you know $6 or $7 is a lot of money per
hour So why couldn't we regulate that through licensing is that possible well I would say licensing and and uh the parking people parking people have the ability to go around and shut you down
There you go Possibly got to be real careful with that It could be a taking of property too you know o overregulation But anyway just something that to like 10,000 foot view parking's an issue right and we got to try and figure something out Um also I've got a
few more here Yeah keep going Let it rip Tater chip How do you get the online um survey the survey is on the city's project website right now So I do have um the QR code in here as well I think Andrew's point I'm just going to show you
um show you how how to get there Um so if you go on to the city's website and uh go to community development department I put the survey in two different places I have it on the front page of the
community development department page which takes you to a separate page or you can go to the master plan main page where I have it um I have it embedded in and and uh and
also a link to it if you want to do it on a separate page Um Megan uh deals with some of the like Facebook social media stuff so she can obviously post a direct link to the survey to make it easier because I
understand sometimes our website can get a little confusing and I hope we we do fix it to make it easier to use But um I just wanted to show you where it was located and and we definitely want to um post it more on social media and try to
get Could we possibly send out the link to all of the city people that have their email already linked to the city So like kind of like the um you know whatever urgencies we have and all that the email So I mean you know so at least
that can be sent out simply enough you know I think a group text here is the survey please fill it out Yeah absolutely Yeah we can um send you all an email that you can easily forward um to your kids Well I mean not only us but the list of all the city people that
want to be kept up with all the information on the city going on Yeah we do have certain email list that that's what Commissioner Dylan's talking about I would have to talk with Robin and Megan if we're allowed to do that to send it through
those like out like that Um because it'd be up to them really So I'll have to talk with them tomorrow Um okay Well I mean you know I think it's a good idea because like everybody's wanting to everyone that signed up for those emails want to know what's going on in the city
This is something that's important to the city Absolutely Which kind of got into my next final question is in terms of um responses and what you guys would re recommend When you recommend that will
you give us at least an idea of like you got 77 people did the research in the first one So if you have 40 want to do this will you at least give us why you're coming up with the ideas of why
you're doing that yeah in terms of um specific recommendations or just overall Yeah So we haven't asked like specifically you know line by line if people agree with this recommendation You'll see in the second survey we do ask you know do you
agree with this goal statement are there any you know recommendations that you like or have an issue with is there anything that's missing so we are asking for more open-ended feedback just because it is really hard to get feedback on line by line items but this
is a com combination of what we've heard from the community Um that's how we got to these initial recommendations Okay And then I guess also in terms of if you I don't know if you're doing this but if you have the difference between visitors
and residents which I don't know that could be a fine line but yet you know if you just talk to somebody that went to the seafood festival and this is their first time and they say oh parking sucks Well everybody knows parking sucks but like you know there there's certain
things like they might say that is a once once occurrence you know hopefully like the storms that we've had Yeah And we don't want to look through just the lens of you know visitors or just the lens of residents We're trying to look through the lens of everybody So in our
online surveys we do ask for people it's it's optional um for people to put in their zip code So we do know um who is a resident and who is not Um also we can kind of tell um who isn't from here um based on some of the responses and also
when we get a lot of responses um from people who are not from here it's usually after we go to a pop-up event So we can we can usually you know figure out Okay And when they're out in their boat Well and that's what Well I was at the one meeting and the whole table I
was with seemed like they always stayed across the bridge and they wanted to do all this stuff at the bridge and the bathroom and all that stuff and it's just like well okay how many people really utilize that bathroom over by the
9/11 memorial and in terms of priorities you know I think there's more priorities for other things And that's where kind of all my questions were kind of coming from as far as you know they stay over and stay over there and they come across
and andor people from Treasure Island I mean you know it's it's important to know but to what value mhm So yeah absolutely And and you know if you all you know tonight have ideas like what is what you think is the highest priority
that you know that's why we're here We want to hear from you all what you think So if there is you know if you could do like three things in the city what would it be is that a question for now you you can maul it over But that's you know kind of
what we've been asking people It's like you know what is like just like the one thing you're like I just want you know this done either shortterm or long term Um because that's what this plan is Not everything is going to be done overnight It's going to be it could be you know 10 20 years down the road
It seems to me that getting the city back online after the next flood would be Yes Yeah So hardening the electrical having the right equipment to get the sand off the road all of that stuff The bridge was closed for too long in order
to get the infrastructure at least drivable That took too long Yeah Uh through no fault of anybody because we hadn't had that situation before But that would be my number one is how do you get the city back online next time Yeah that would be a big one It's not
fun because it's infrastructure and it's not fun stuff It's not signage and parking Yeah Cute stuff and all that but it is an element It's at least 50% of the important factors I think Absolutely So with Gulf Boulevard and
the Tom Stewart Causeway those are state roads So we had to rely on F DOT to clear those because we don't own them Um and and for the most part they clear clear considering how much damage there was they they cleared them pretty fast I mean it would have been
nice to be faster but G Boulevard was covered in like kind of snow drifts of sand almost like it was really bad So but making sure to coordinate with F DOT so they're ready ready to go ASAP would
be important and then clean up our local streets too I mean that that falls on us to maintain those and make I know there was a big issue with debris piles kind of blocking up roads and stuff So kind of dealing with those things would be kind of fall on us But uh well some of
those things would be procedural some would be uh capital equipment investments Some of those things would be new agreements with you know the the county and the federal level and the state level There's a whole bunch of little things that could have made it better but it kind of the first time in
a hundred years that it happened here So that's a good excuse but if it happens in the next 10 years it won't be such a good excuse if we kind of fumble through it again Yeah And we do have specific recommendations under sustainability and resiliency relating to some of those
things in terms of procedure and operations for you know getting the city back on its feet quicker now that you know we went through the learning experience So another question is are you guys pleased with how many uh how much input surveys and stuff that you're getting
back yeah Yeah we're very pleased Um we just launched um the second survey so we haven't gotten too many responses now but again this will be running um probably through the end of the month if not into May Um but in terms of you know the in-person events we've gotten a lot
of great feedback um from people um the community workshops have been excellent um for getting you know you have an idea of roughly how many survey number two feedbacks you got um not yet Not yet
But we um I would I would guess probably around you know 25 right now We did go to the John's Pass Seafood event Um that was kind of our first event where we had launched um the survey Um I'll say I don't think a lot of people were you know taking an online survey was too
high on their list at that event but we got the word out and we're going to continue you know sending emails through the email list serves really pushing it out on social media Have you considered um maybe something as uh old-fashioned as putting a little blurp in the beach
comr with a QR code we could I don't know if that I I if you talk sweet I mentioned they do it for free I mean they should do it for free Okay I'd lean on them to do it for free and get a little blurb out there with your QR code
We would love to hear from you kind of thing Yeah I think that's a great idea Yeah we'll look into that Really it wouldn't just be a local It'd be everybody that reads Yeah Yeah Yeah
Yeah So I have a I guess I have a comment I'll add to your question which was what most important resiliency definitely is most important but I personally am like
really passionate about improving golf um to something that's a little bit more palatable I guess I don't know I just feel like I just I I think of it as a big racetrack and like even this week with just or this month with more and
more people back it was it's just been tough and I feel bad like I feel bad driving down for our visitors that they have to work around Gulf Boulevard Um even though we've tried to put in the
pedestrian crossings and and all that I you know some of them are too far away to want to go all the way down there and then they're you know running across holding their small child's hand It's just like I wouldn't do that But you
know it's just it it just it really could use a little bit of love I think Um but I I have a couple questions what's kind of the what are kind of the lowhanging fruit that you're seeing like that would be implementable that people
are passionate about and and then two like what do you what are y'all perceiving as kind of the top one or two things that people are really like zeroing in on specifically yeah Um I'll start with the things that people are really zeroing in on and it's um the
parking which is no surprise I think there's a lot of support for another public parking garage whether that's in John's Pass or or in the town center area Um so that's a big one Um the other
thing is probably the resiliency piece We've obviously gotten a lot of feedback on you know re more resilient options Um you know what residents can do what what the city's going to do Um for lowhanging fruit I think it really is um you know
it's for the city updating you know code land development standards like that's low cost That's really just like staff time Um that's the easiest way to enact specific change whether it's parking regulations or you know design of
buildings or the type of uses or businesses you're getting or the types of housing you're getting Um the other lowhanging fruit is probably the beautifification component There's a lot of things that you know community members can do in terms of beautifification You can do storm drain
murals you can do pavement murals Um I think the city just unveiled their new mural um like just the other day So there's a lot of lowerc cost things like that which you know you say to someone like oh like a painted storm drain like yeah like that one thing isn't going to
make the city better But when you start to layer all of these other elements it really you know establishes the sense of place and you know people have pride in their community because they worked on that So those there's a lot of things you know that the city can do but also a lot of things that the community members
can do which we're going to lay out in the plan where it's like you know we've had a lot of people invested in this and we're going to roll this out and they're probably going to say well you know well now what what can I do so we're going to try to identify those things um so community members can stay involved and
help bring this plan into fruition Has been any anybody identified or brought up that they think we should maybe expand some of our commercialzoned areas Um because if you you know as a person who owns a business in the town
it and I have to relocate because I no longer have a building potentially but there's very little I mean there's very little commercial there's very little business space other than in John's Pass or on the corridor Um and there are certain streets that if you look at them
it would make sense that a few streets could have a little bit more of a commercial uh feel to them and then that creates a little bit of a community within the community right i mean you and you could you could dedicate intensity levels as you travel back right so that you're not throwing a high
intensity use right next to a residential property or something but I mean that's something I know that's probably more for us as a group to consider So we'll kind of call that planning commission discussion but that could be part of the bigger picture that goes into our master plan is we had previously I believe it or not I was
involved in the last master plan 20some years ago Um what was it 2002 right yeah the Dwani plan and that was one of the things and that's where we started getting these um our our um what were we calling it jeez I can't my brain just
went flat but you know John activity centers So we were talking about three of them John's Pass then one in the middle and then here in municipal area um and it's sort of taking shape right it took that 20 something years to for that to start to happen But I think
continuing in that process where we have certain places like along where my office was that 142nd 145th corridor where on Palm Drive would be a great place to have more commercial if was art galleries and you know little things
like that that would create a more more of a sense of community instead of being a wall of businesses and then just residential from there back and it it it sort of doesn't let you build any character If you go to some of the older places in Florida uh St Augustine and places like that It's all kind of mixed
together right or even Gulfport Yeah Is a perfect example And that and people love that feeling And so you know as a big picture it'd be really nice to be able to take that commercial and sort of blend it a little more in instead of having a hard stop Yeah we haven't
received too much feedback on that specifically Um but I do like where you're going with that you know you can have that smaller you know coffee shop or something that you can walk to from your neighborhood I mean who doesn't want that well I think some of your results are get skewed not because of anything you're doing but the people
that are most likely to come out to these things are people that have a problem right or that are are anti something more than pro something It tends to be the way And that's just human nature I think You know I've got a beef Here's how I air it
because you're allowing me to And the people that are kind of content but would like hey maybe this would be cool Eh they kind of let that fly So I think some of it's weighted in a in a way that it's mostly hey let's keep it the way it is and we don't want any changes The
nimi people you know they are the ones that tend to get out and be a little more boisterous Yeah Yeah We have gotten um quite a bit of feedback on just maintaining the neighborhood So um yeah not anything specific that's against like smaller scale business but just you
know keeping the smaller lower residential you know density neighborhoods and and people are afraid now too after the storms that everything's going to be taller house bigger houses and you know because and they're going to some are going to hate it I mean but there's you know we got rules right i mean we got to comply with
FEMA and state rules and things So yeah I have a question about like I think there were a couple things in there where it was like recommending the implementation of XYZ kind of like the code stuff or whatever it is I think one of the things that's come up here a few
times since I've been doing this is you know we'll get a by right development in here and you know we're kind of just like they're here they're doing it by right there's not much we can really do about it but maybe there's some things about that
architectural plan that we're seeing or the planting plan or you whatever it is and we're like this doesn't look so great So is part of beautifificate is there like I think this would be a good opportunity to put on
paper something that a lot of us have agreed on in the past of like we think there should be some sort of an architectural review board that can review these new developments so we can maintain that character the cohesiveness and those kinds of things And right now
we have no um agency there really at all unless it's a P unless maybe it's a PD maybe there's some stuff that we can do but it's not Yeah I mean it's just tough So yeah And Andrew you can go ahead Yeah Um so down
in John's Pass the zoning um you guys adopted does have uh design standards and guidelines Um so that's basically the first part of the the city that does actually have that Unfortunately we haven't had any development come through that that
needs a major site plan review event probably soon enough But this is kind of would give more teeth if we had this in other like let's say in the C3 zoning district which basically encompasses the commercial side of Gulf Boulevard and 150th having something
similar to this within that zoning district You you would then when it comes through be able to see well they got to put the dumpster behind the building the parking has to be behind it They have to shield the air conditioning They have to do all this and that So I mean some of it comes down to having it
in our LDRs and and yeah I think I think the main thing is like I personally believe in efficiency though too where it's like I don't want it to be this
like board that can really that may not be qualified enough to really be telling the person who's presenting a design to not do XYZ So maybe there's a mixture of what does that look like what are the best practices with how does this board
operate like what are what's their agency level and then like maybe it's partnered with doing that where we're expanding those standards to different zones I I don't know Just a thought Yeah And that's something that we've we've talked about and that's
putting you know a whole other process on the city And is that something the city wants to take on like that's that's the question and what does that look like um so definitely something we've talked about Um because the architectural component is is pretty big
Matthew we this is going back about a year with schooners and their parking garage If you remember when they did the presentation I said I would not approve
that plan because it was a square box And I think a couple other people went along with me They came back the next month and they completely redrrew it and changed it and all of a sudden it was like "Yeah that's you know
um but we don't have that that kind of input all the time." Um and that's wrong because they're not utilizing the planning board And that's been my pet peeve for a long time I mean why isn't
some of this stuff coming before us so at least the seven of us can put our input in and kick it around you know i mean we're all very educated here And between the seven of us we can come out
with something It's just like with KS and his new restaurant that he wants to put on on John's Pass The front side looks fantastic but only 20% of the people that are going to into that restaurant
are going to come there by boat What about all the people that drive up to it and and if you remember I said "No this I said "Change it." And he grabbed me outside and he agreed You
know that's the input that I would like to have with us And you know I keep talking about this and uh till I'm blue in the face and it's still no one has
given us that kind of okay you can you know you have that speck of work I believe coming before the planning board it's steps and this with the step being John's pass area there it's now
the process is starting and we we've been going at this the same way we want to be you know in in charge Well we want to have more input before it gets finally thrown in front of the commissioners And they have so much
stuff on their plates You know their meetings are 3 four hours all the time Yeah Twice And so that's where we've got to start And that's something that I guess you can start with as a master plan Something
that needs to be done um before it gets to the final stage Yeah So I guess is what I think is very good here Yeah And we have I'm paraphrasing it but we do have strategy that talks about creating a lookbook of
sorts to kind of communicate what these preferred architectural styles or features are because per regulations you can't regulate you know specific things for the whole city unless you're in a historic district which um the city is
not So there's only certain places where you can do that but we can provide um supplemental you know information and guidelines for the city to leverage See there's a there's a building that getting completed
now down in in the activity center that uh Beans has just finished a three-story building At first I thought it was going to be a square box and ugly and we never saw the plans here But now the
finishes and how he's rectify this looks fantastic But we don't have the input when it comes before us to say okay we want that building better the next one that you do
or whoever in that area makes and just keep stepping up the level or the playing field or whatever you want to say You know seems like the first place to start would be like a non-binding
architectural review That way you don't go all the way to the HOA crazy Karen level Yeah But you do have sort of a public level scrutiny of your design and that could often like like you said earlier lend some pressure on improving
some some elements without being too dictatorial Yeah At the end of the day they want to make something that people are happy with They're not just once there's a you know review and some public comment capability not in every place but in the activity center in certain areas a
non-binding architectural review shouldn't upset anybody It's not binding but it does put a little spotlight on sometimes what is your ugly design like caddies which looks like a warehouse that was elevated with zero architectural beauty But you but you
know what I'm saying You know when when you visit another state or another city and all of a sudden you make a turn someplace and you go "Wow look at this." Right and you're driving down Honey look at this This is
gorgeous That's what I'm trying to present and get over here because that activity center can look very ugly So how do we propose something like that though well
I've been trying to do that all require something that's non-binding but it still requires a little look see in certain areas uh of you know Madiraa So I I just wanted to bring up uh the our site plan levels of development review
So anything major this is stuff that would come in front of you guys So some of the projects you brought were either ones like the the the project along was it Pelican Lane where it's technically one unit So it wouldn't it wouldn't meet
the threshold to be a major site plan review U by state statute stat statute we can't really do much with single family and duplexes to enforce design standards That's just state statute So we can't get around that It would be
more likely if we wanted to expand uh the require major site plan review Let's say forplexes and up for multif family or honestly anything commercial basically needs a major site plan And then we have certain requirements for 21
parking spots or more That's why you have to do the park you guys have to do the parking lot for catties as a major site plan once it hit that threshold So obviously and this is stuff we can change in our LDRs um that we'll probably want to de
after this process is done with the master plan take a look at again But I think the challenge is we haven't had a lot of projects come through like even stuff like the beach flower is only eight units so it didn't hit the major site plan even though it's an 8-unit condo building it's an intermediate so it didn't hit the threshold to have to
come here Yeah So so I mean without spiraling out of control on it right it's just I don't know where the limits of your recommendations and scope can go but thinking about how do we make those that next step I think the lookbook thing at a bare minimum is a great
recommendation and I would encourage like that's a great start just something that it is technically it would technically maybe be a non-binding thing but it's like hey you know we see you have this this is what we want or something that's a resource for people
that are doing design and they can go online and find it um yeah something like that just it could do food for thought for the commission once it gets up to there but I mean you know but just
like hey we're questioning this and So they have the final say So we're putting a blip on it and if they don't change it then we go to the meetings and say okay I don't feel this is right because of this and they have their complete you
know understanding of what they want to do then but I agree with you completely I think the whole thing here is we live here and we see it every
day And what we see coming in the future of course we want it better Who wouldn't want it better who wouldn't want it to look better and that's what I'm getting at We're not looking to make it look uglier We want
it to look better We want to be proud of where we live And I can't put it any better than that Maybe the first place to start is to see how other communities like Dun Eden or Tarpon Springs when
does it have a look um how do they deal with that do they have architectural views are they trying to stay in a lane is it binding is it non-binding yeah I know Um how do they do it denita specifically yeah they do have architectural review standards um
they're actually looking to update those um pretty soon but they have historically had you know these are the architectural styles we want you to use um in certain areas of the city So that's how they do it
Maybe Michael would know this from the from the Madira Beach line on Gulf Boulevard on Gulf on the Gulf I I call it the miracle mile because of all the beautiful homes the multi-million dollar
homes Everyone it's like you look at one and you look to the next one Oh my god And you go to the next one and oh my god it just gets it There's no crap
there Is there a board up there that did all of that no that's part of their LDRs too that you know the way their zoning is made There's You're talking about Readington Beach right um there's no commercial zoning in Readington Beach I understand that I'm talking about you
don't have you know and there's they don't allow highrises there You know their height restriction is 35 ft I think throughout the entire city Um so it won't would not allow any of that So you you don't get any of the bigger buildings until you hit the north ring beach line
You can get a bigger building that looks beautiful too Yeah I'm not Yeah I don't know their I don't know their stuff well enough to comment on that I just know that they don't have any commercial at all really in Readington Beach Yeah and that's one we can definitely um work with the city on a little bit more
and kind of elaborate and kind of figure out how we can further identify that and specify it in the master plan recommendations Cool I guess one thing I I just wanted to touch on because of the commercial stuff I guess kept thinking about it I
know with the um back when we were doing the John's Pass stuff one of the reasons why we did it was uh at the time the category we had um was this uh retail and services category uh the county gave us that had a a very low commercial
floor area ratio and it was more of one that you'd see more in a suburban area for like a gas station or a Walmart or like a McDonald's Not really It didn't make sense in John's pass And the problem is it probably does that
category doesn't really make much sense along Gulf Boulevard 150th either honestly because what one of the challenges is so we do a lot of mixed use along Gulf Boulevard But what happens is that 0.55 F basically for every like one square foot of commercial
you have to dedicate like like 1.8 square feet of lot area to that commercial So you end up just a lot of these lots especially because there the lots aren't very large because when Gul B was wide and it took out like a good amount of the frontage
of these lots like you're you're it really makes it hard and then and then we for some reason have like a 25 foot front setback Some of these lots like are really hard to use without at the moment I'm doing variances sometimes for the setbacks but
like that but that stuff we could fix we could fix the setback stuff pretty easily but some of the stuff like with the land use that that requires going through the whole process of of doing the land use and zoning change potentially Um it'd be more of I mean
obvious that it really wouldn't impact density Yeah I mean the density the way it's set up is fine It meets what it needs to meet and but it's more of that commercial floor area is kind of that 0.55 is like even if it was like a one or 1.2 it would be so much more usable
and be like and that would be going basically from like the retail and services to the resort category and in the countywide rules We'd call it something else on our local map like we we wouldn't call it we'd call it probably either like something either golf boulevard commercial or tourism
commercial or something but that that would be one of the options to fix it But that that requires many public hearings and stuff and that would be like a very more of a long-term over the but that's kind of one of the issues is why we're so
limited on commercial in Madiraa Beach is a lot of that retail and services category is pretty limiting that the county gave us and on our map it's commercial general and residential office retail or it's usually zone C3 or C4 So is this
um on on some of these points right where we we have we have opportunities in our LDRs to like kind of massage some things change some things whatever Is that is that in your scope like is that going to be a is that a potential
recommendation that y'all will be making is that something that we should you know be ready for and something that you know we can maybe take a look at and say "Hey they're you know they're recommending that we do this this and this and we need to like figure out how
to get that on the agenda and move forward like later you know once it's done." Yeah So we do have a limited portion in our scope right now to look at the C3 and C4 um zoning categories for some of you know of the issues that
Andrew just mentioned Um so that's very limited there but we are recommending kind of these other like next steps like what the city can do or if they you know need to hire a consultant to do it um what they can do to remedy some of the
code as well So very good Any more i think we sufficiently cleaned out the got into the weeds and found our way back out That was nicely done Thank you for all of your input Really appreciate it Know you guys have been working really hard on this So thank you and we'll look
forward to this as it develops Great Yeah thank you all We love working on this project and working with you all So it's a pleasure to be here Thank you so much All right Anybody else have anything else planning commission discussionwise
yeah No Okay Feel like we got it all out Yep Your list is Your list is done Anything Matt i said I feel like we got it all out Yeah I think we did We did really well Thank you Thank you for all that and the great responses So I guess that brings us to scheduling our next meeting which
is going to be May 5th um here at 6:00 p.m Right Sounds right Okay And with that uh we'll adjourn the meeting Thank you