Okay. The council will come to order. I'll rise and salute the flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Please remain standing
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have cared for this land for generations, predating European colonization, and continuing to the present. Moving forward, we are committed to ensuring that the histories, voices, and contributions of indigenous peoples are recognized and respected in the life of our city. Clerk, will you please now call the
role? >> Council Cologne Hayes >> here. >> Council Condan is not with us this evening. Council Crow >> here. >> Council Lewong >> here. >> Council McDonald is not going to be in attendance this evening. Council Ali >> here. >> Council Sea >> here.
>> Council Simelli. Council Taylor >> here. Council Winslow >> here. >> Council President Lahan >> here. >> So we have eight. >> Okay. Under the provisions of the open meeting law, for those of you in attendance, please be informed that UMA Urban Media Arts will be recording this evening's meeting. So just be aware
there will be audio and video recordings of tonight's meeting. First order of business. First order of business is the consent agenda. This evening's consent agenda consists of two papers to be referred to a joint session of rules and ordinance with finance. one paper to be referred to finance and one paper to be
referred to the legal department. Does any counselor have a desire to remove any of these items from the consent agenda for the purpose of further discussion? >> Motion approve. >> Okay. Hearing none and seeing none, I have a motion to approve from councelor Seika and a second by councelor Winslow.
All in favor? >> I present councelor Ali. Okay, the agenda is approved. Next order of business. Council will hold public hearings on four National Grid petitions to install underground conduits.
Um so the first one is paper 150-26. Petition Massachusetts Electric Company DBA National Grid plan number 31200905. National Grid to install underground facilities on Main Street. customer to
trench and install six 4-in conduits from MHA 34 Main Street on Main Street to propose switch module approximately 55 ft on public right of way, 204 Main Street, Malden. >> Okay. Do we have representatives from
National Grid here with us this evening? Okay. Okay. >> Good evening everyone. >> Thank you. >> My name is Zayn. I'm representing National Grid. >> Full name. >> Oh, can you give us your full name, please? >> Zane Juma. >> Thank you. >> Yep.
>> Would you Oh, could you actually spell that or write it down and bring it to the clerk? >> I just want to make sure I get the spelling of your last name correct. >> It's J as in Jack. U M A. My first name is Zane. Z E I N. U
Z A I N Z E >> Z E I N. Okay, thank you so much. >> Thank you. Sorry about that. I would have spelled it wrong. So, thank you very much for doing that. >> Thank you. You can continue. >> Um so we have 204 Main Street. We're, as he said, we're trenching and
installing 64inch conduit from the existing main hall. That's right. On New Hall Street between on the intersection of New Hall and Main Street. Um, we're feeding the switching module or junction box on the customer's property and then we're feeding the pad.
Is there any questions on that? >> Okay. I can take counselor questions before we do the hearing. Councelor Crow, did you want to speak to this? >> Sorry. >> You can do the hearing if you want to. >> Okay. Okay. At this point, I'll declare the public hearing open. Anyone wishing to speak in favor of the petition,
please come forward. State your name and address for the record. Anyone wishing to speak in favor? Hearing and seeing none, I declare that portion of the hearing closed. Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the petition?
Anyone wishing to speak in opposition, please come forward and state your name and address for the record. Okay. Hearing none and seeing none, I'll declare that portion of the hearing closed. And at this time, I can take council discussion. So, councelor Crow,
>> thank you. Um, I did speak to to National Grid and this is um going to um um supply, you know, national grid to the old burns, E burns that that's being built now. So, this will will continue
in the next one. I mean, you can read those both. They're right in the same area. So, I'm hoping that they can coordinate a little bit cuz um you know 15126 is um doing the same for the old Salvation Army, but they're right across
the street from each other. So, I'm hoping that we can coordinate so we're not we're digging hopefully once or >> Yep. >> Right. Make it a little easier. >> Okay. Any other questions? I see councelor Ali.
Um, so this is um th this is something and Zay and National Grid have been really helpful. I I want to start by saying that. Um, so one of the things I've noticed in the last couple years is that um when you have electricity being brought to a large um user, whether it's
an apartment building or a commercial property, um they have to put in large um transformers. And uh what they've been doing recently is in the past you'd put those they're kind of ugly, you know, like if you have
if you imagine having your like electrical box on the front of your house like you usually want it on the side or in the back. Um and previously they'd put these in the back of a building. Um so like in city hall we have them out back. Um and it's so you don't see it from the street. The other
benefit of not putting it on the street is that if a car hits it, it doesn't explode or something of of the like. Um, what they've been doing recently is putting them on the front um, which is I think unsightly. Additionally, in order to mitigate the fact that they're more
likely to get hit by a car or a truck, they put giant ugly yellow ballards all around them. Um, so if you look at the plans on on the on the one that you're talking about, um, it shows this giant transformer right in the front. Um, I
I'm not sure if that's the type of streetscape that we want on our main street. Um, so like I would advocate that we try to work with National Grid wherever possible to relocate these transformers farther on to the property and maybe
even screened by like a fence or landscaping so that they are not as unsightly. Um, that's what I'm going to be asking for um on a later petition. I just thought I'd mention it to you now. Um, >> that makes perfect sense. Actually,
>> I I would support that as well. I this is a a gripe I've had with the ones on exchange. I think on the plans they meet accessibility standards when it's just the transformer, but once the ballards go in, a wheelchair or a stroller actually can't get around it. And so it
like completely obliterates the point of me meeting the accessibility dimensions for the item itself. So I agree with you councelor Mali with deference to the ward counselor of course. >> No, I agree. We'll work them to see if we can conditions that we work to um ensure that first of all accessibility
because they can't relocate it but they still need accessibility and um located on the side of the back. >> Oh yeah, sorry. Let me put your light back on. >> Just having had this conversation with Zayn today, it's going to take more work for National Grid to redesign that, but
they also need to talk to the property owner about location and sighting. So I I think if it's if it's a convers like for instance the petition that's coming up in Ward 4, I'm going to ask that we table it in order for us to have these conversations. But I think if you if we approve this tonight without having
those initial conversations, you know, we might be setting a condition that might be difficult for them to fully comply with and I think it it might behoove us to give National Grid a chance to talk to the property owners to figure out can it work? What is what is
the impact going to be? Um, >> so you make a motion to table. >> I would second your motion to table. >> I'll make a motion to table. >> Okay. >> And Zane, I'll let you my number. We can come talk tomorrow. >> Okay. So, >> did you want to respond? I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> I can I can respond to some of your
questions. Um, so generally we like placing our equipment in the front of the building. That way we have access to it 24/7. whenever we need access to it. If a customer has an outage, we can get access to it whenever we need. We don't
have to ask a customer for, you know, for them to give us access. Secondly, it's we need our space. We need at least 10 ft of clearance all around our equipment. And that's very hard to get from customers. Um on top of the equipment, we need that 10 ft of
clearance. You're talking like 30 by 50 for this equipment. And customers generally don't like giving us the space for that. Um, as you can see, they have parking spots that the customers don't like, or at least in
in their rules, um, they can't lose any parking spots. Um, but that's that's the reason we have our command in the front. And we also have cost least cost to serve uh customers. So, as you can see, we're serving them
from the manhole right across the street. If we put our equipment all the way at the back of the building, that's a lot of cost towards the customer, which, you know, we like to reduce. And so that's one of the reasons why I was mentioning that it might make sense
to table and have a conversation because it might not be that it makes sense to move it all the way to the back, but it might make sense to move it five feet back, 10 feet back and have like a landscaping plan that covers it. Um, I'll give you an example on on Florence
Street. Uh 10 Florence Street has one of these and as part of their permitting I asked them to plant evergreens around it to to kind of um stop the visibility. Um that that's taken a long time for it to
kind of be shaded but you know it has worked. Um just wanted to mention it but there's definitely it's definitely a balancing act between you know uh cost visibility and the impact on the neighborhood. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, I'm going to go to Councelor
Winslow. >> Yeah. No, I definitely think that uh we really should um factor in what the you know look look is how close they are to the street um can cause other problems and you know screening might be a wave for some of them especially I think yeah
but uh I mean this one seems it's just all parking a lot around it so it seems like adjusting that or whatever. It just seems like it's you know find a find a different corner. It is an aesthetic thing that uh you know is something to
think of how it fits into the neighborhood. Um that that's something that I've worked on with trees and other type of things. We we do this is equipment that we have to look at 247. So we have to be um you know realize that or whatever. And this is
this is the type of equipment we really can't put public art on or whatever because it is a I'm not sure National Grid want wouldn't want people put painting on this type of thing. So, I think we do have to think about that. So, thank you. Great. >> Okay. Thank you, Councelor Wzo. Um, Councelor Taylor, >> thank you. I just um wanted to add my
two cents about um I'm for tableabling it. I would support that. Um I think it's just really important to get the conditions correct and make sure that you know there's a good >> um understanding on on both with us and National Grid. my experiences, it's been
difficult once the permit is in place to kind of, >> you know, um, work with them and we've had many things go ary in W five with that. So, I would I would support tableabling it so you have some time to talk it out and and get what the city
needs from this. >> Thank you, Councelor Taylor. So, I had a a motion by councelor Crow, seconded by councelor Ali to table. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, all in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Okay. So, that's tabled
and we'll be in touch when we're going to bring you back for the next hearing. Thank you. Next order of business. Paper 151-26. Petition Massachusetts Electric Company DBA National Grid plan number 311 86713
National Grid to install underground facilities on Main Street. trench and install two 4inch concrete encased conduits from MHA34 on Main Street, Japad located at 213 Main Street, approximately 220 ft. And
this is also councelor Co. Do you want to speak to this before we do the hearing or um it's your it's your preference? >> I think I actually want a clarifying question because at the last one you said when we um call them back when we do another hearing. So is the hearings closed? So we >> That's a good question. And I may have misspoken.
>> Okay. I just was like, are we not a whole >> Do we do another hearing? If they're changing the location, >> I don't think we miss Well, if they're moving the location to a different address, >> we would renotice a Butters, wouldn't we? >> How far are we talking about moving the location just the 10?
>> We maybe don't know yet. >> Back of the property that he's talking about. >> It would still be on the property if that's what he still doesn't change the butter list. I don't think we would need another hearing. >> I don't think it's okay. So, we will not bring you back for a different hearing. I I misstated that part, but we will be
in touch >> for 204, right? >> Correct. For the previous for the previous. >> Well, I'm going to say the same thing for 213 there. First of all, >> actually, I have something else to say about that. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Then that's fine. You can have the >> this one a little more. Um, so the
reason this one is out in the front is if you look at the corner down to the south where the building is, um, and where the property line is, we don't have the distance for a truck to fit between the building and where the property line is. >> Um, so our truck can't get past that
into the back. Even if we were able to get past to the back, they have an overhang where the truck can't go under. >> So this is really our only option is to put it out front. Even the customer did not want to put it on front and we were trying to >> Salvation Army >> put it in the back for them, but
unfortunately that's the only place this can really go. >> Is this the Salvation Army site? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> It's a really really tight area. >> Yeah. Okay. Do you want to speak to this further before we do the hearing? >> I I think let's do the hearing.
>> Okay. So, at this time, I'll declare the public hearing open. Anyone wishing to speak in favor of this petition, please come forward and state your name and address for the record. Anyone wishing to speak in favor? Okay. Hearing none and seeing none, I'll declare that portion of the hearing
closed. Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the petition, please come forward and state your name and address for the record. Anyone wishing to speak in opposition? Okay. Hearing none and seeing none, I'll declare that portion of the hearing
closed. Councelor Carl. >> So I totally understand what he's talking about. It is a tight little space there, but I would prefer to um table this as well just to kind of have that conversation and you maybe there is someone has a a unique way to to
approach it. It is tight. Every piece of that piece that property is going to be developed. So but I'd still like the um the opportunity to have a conversation. Okay. >> Okay. I see a light from councelor Ali. >> I would just like to recuse myself from this conversation.
>> Okay. Do we need That's fine. Do we We don't need to vote that, right? Okay. >> Okay. >> So, I I guess I uh >> Sorry, Councelor Winsel. Give me one second. Go right ahead. >> Yeah, I know. I mean, this project I know had a lot of public input as well
as as you know, because it is a partly public funded project. So, so I would defer to council pro and uh second the motion to table and then we'll see where it goes from there. >> If we're going to drop, we might as well talk. >> Yeah. Yeah.
He never does. >> Okay. Sorry, Councelor Winsow. >> Sure. >> Were you making a second to >> Yeah. To the to the table? Yes. >> Okay. So on a motion by councelor Crowe, seconded by councelor Winslow to table this, we can take a voice vote. All in
favor? >> I. Any opposed? And we do have councelor Ali who recused. Okay, next order of business. >> Oh, I guess we should call him back. Council Melly, did you want to go on
record as to the reason for your recusal on paper 151-26? >> Paper 152-26. Petition Massachusetts Electric Company DBA National Grid Plan number 31258005. National Grid to install underground facilities on Summer Street beginning at
a point approximately 115 ft north of the center line of the intersection of Clifton Street and Summer Street and continuing approximately 40 feet in the east direction. National Grid is petitioning to install underground secondary from riser on pole number 949
to a gas regulator control. >> Okay. So, this is actually my ward and you and I have not had a chance to connect on this, but I'm very familiar with all the other work going on in the area. So, if you could just maybe describe a little bit about what the underground conduit, what it exactly means. Um, and then we can open the
hearing. This one seems a little more straightforward, I think. Yeah, it's just installing I believe it's uh installing two 4 inch conduit on the ground um the secondary service to serve that uh gas regulator. Um so we will be
trenching the street and across the street and installing condo. >> Is this related to the work that's going on right now? >> What work >> on on the in the same location? >> Um I'm not entirely sure. >> Okay.
Um I have not heard from >> this wasn't a design by me but um it was one of my co-workers but I can definitely double check with them on that. >> Okay. Do you have a sense of how long the work is going to take? >> Um 40 foot across the street. Generally
we do we were able to do 50 ft a day so it shouldn't take I'd say two days. >> Oh okay great. Y I >> I'm asking because I think this particular intersection has been beset by utility work for quite a long time and we're doing gas leak work on the
upper part of Summer Street as well. So it's been >> it's been quite a disruption and I think um we just I know the neighborhood's looking for relief. I did not hear from any constituents on this petition. I know we did an in a butter mailing um and I you know so I do want to be clear
folks are not oppo I'm not receiving any opposition or anything um so I'll do you have a a another recusal or a question >> okay I'm going to take one question then I'll go to the hearing >> what is a secondary riser
>> secondary riser is riser up the pole so we will be serving from the pole metal pipes on the pole and then go down on the So, is the electricity coming from the pole and going into the ground? >> From the pole on the ground. Yep. >> Not from the ground into the pole.
>> No, from the pole on the ground. >> Okay. Because it looks like it's connecting to councelor Linan's um comment. It's looking it's like it's connecting to a new underground. Oh, that's a gas. Is that gas? >> It says gas. >> Gas regulator. So, gas regulator needs
electricity. >> Oh, >> wait. What? Hold on. You need a service to the gas regulator. >> Oh. Oh, it's to provide electricity for the gas regulator. >> Ah, I see. I see. >> Yep. >> Oh, it's not it's not it's not common that we have the gas and the electric
connecting. This is the first. Okay, cool. Thank you. >> Yep. >> Okay. Um Okay, so at this time I will go back to do the hearing. So I will declare the public hearing open. Anyone wishing to speak in favor of the petition, please come forward, state
your name and address for the record. Anyone wishing to speak in favor? Okay, seeing none hearing none, I'll declare that portion of the hearing closed. Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to the petition, please come forward and state your name and address for the record. Anyone wishing to speak
in opposition? Okay, seeing none, hearing none, I'll declare that portion of the hearing closed. Any further questions from the council? Um, I'm I'm comfortable granting this. If I hear a motion from anybody to grant
and let if there's any further questions, council, >> um, can you remind me, this was recently paved, correct? >> So, other portions of the street were paved. We have a gas leak that we've had to tackle in the area. Um, that's the
work that's going on right now. And then Upper Summer Street, the mayor and I approved an offseason um additional gas work so that that stretch can be paved in the spring. So the whole the whole section is due to be paved once all of this utility work is done,
>> including this section. >> That's my understanding. Yes. >> Okay. Yeah, that's cuz if it wasn't I was going to say that you can do like like thermal melting to make the seams not as bad, but if it's if it's going to be repaved by National Grid, I'm assuming, then I don't think that's a
necessary condition. >> That's a really good point. >> Okay. Thank you. Well, I would move that we approve it based on your recommendation. >> Okay. >> Okay. A motion by councelor Mali, seconded by councelor Cologne Hayes. All in favor of granting Oh, sorry. >> Oh, right. Well, we haven't had one that
anybody's wanted to approve yet. Thank you for the reminder. Okay. On on councelor Omali's motion to grant, seconded by councelor Cologne Hayes with the following conditions. That the engineer be called when Digs Safe is notified. And two, that the streets and sidewalks be restored to the satisfaction of the director of public
works. All those in favor? >> I. Any opposed? >> Okay. So, that is granted. Next order of business. Paper 153-26. Petition Massachusetts Electric Company DBA National Grid plan number 31239416
National Grid to install underground facilities on Summer Street trench and install 64in concrete encased encased conduit from MHA18 to switch gale located at 110 Main Street approximately 60 ft on public
right of way. >> Okay, councelor Ali. >> Yeah. So, so this is a little confusing. I think that one of the things um the paper I was a little confused here and and Zayn was able to help get me caught up as well as the clerk's office. I
think that here Summer Street should be Main Street on the paper and that the address should be one uh 1100 Main Street. >> Um did uh clerk Desadier, did you get those those amendments? I see that 111 Main
Street >> and then uh and then Summer Street uh would be switched to Main Street. Um so like I said, Zay's been super helpful. It's the same thing that what we talked about earlier and in and um Councelor Crows ward. Um currently they're
proposing to put this equipment on the front. Um and I'd like to work with the uh with National Grid and the Parker to see if we can relocate it uh in a way that works for everyone. Um you might have saw that um our building commissioner Nelson Miller was here earlier. He's also involved and agrees
that this is a good approach um to to kind of start conversations with National Grid as well as the property owner about um the project that's coming up. So I I would move to table and I appreciate your support. >> I'll second. >> Any other discussion before we do the
hearing? Okay. So, >> actually, I if possible, I'd like to maybe not do the hearing tonight only because um the address was not correct and the street wasn't correct and I'm just concerned that people might have
felt that >> they didn't get properly noticed. Um but I think that probably the the legal notices that went out were probably correct. So, I don't think we re need to resend things to everyone. >> Well, if you're not doing the hearing, then we need to repost the hearing for two weeks
>> and you need to send it out again. Yes. Okay. >> Okay. >> I mean, if if if if the preference of the council is to have the hearing, then then I'm okay with that, too. >> But I mean, >> hang on, Councelor Winsel. Let me put your light on. >> One second.
>> So, we could open the hearing and then hold it open until two weeks, right? I mean, so that's what we could do. >> That's what we did last time, right? No, last time we held the hearing and then we opened discussion on the paper and then we tabled the paper. So, the hearing had already taken place.
>> Oh, right. Okay. Um, I can look at the attachments. The hearing autist. >> Let's just make sure the abut's list is correct because I feel better holding the hearing knowing they went to the right above us. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, hang on. I'm opening it.
>> Okay. >> Question is >> I did have a conversation about it. So the certified a butters list from the assessor's office that we used was based on the address of 1100 Main Street.
Um so the address was correct >> and the butter's mailing is attached to that. There weren't that many actually. There was less than 30 that fell within that that circle. And then I'm also um
just reviewing the notice of public hearing. >> Yeah, I just did that too. It at the first bullet point it does say Summer Street and then it says 110 Main Street. >> It says that it's installing underground facilities on Summer Street and then the
switch gear is going to be located at 110 Main Street. >> It's 1100 Main Street. >> I'm sorry. >> There's no Summer Street. It's 1100. >> Yeah. So, it went to the right people, but if if I receive that, >> it went to the right people, but it had the wrong information. I think that we should rehear
I have an abundance of caution. >> I apologize. I think that sounds like the right thing to do, >> especially this, you know, been visible in >> I can see how this would happen because this is very confusing with all of the different addresses. So, I I appreciate you all. Um, >> so I guess the my my tableling motion would still be
>> Okay. And who seconded that? >> I did. >> Okay. So on count on councelor Maui's motion to table seconded by councelor seea all in favor I any opposed okay so that is tabled >> only one
still hope we have paper 127 >> yes do we have a motion to take paper 127-26 off the table >> the table >> okay do we need a roll call to do that >> no >> okay on on a motion by councelor Winsow, seconded by councelor Seika to take
127-26 off the table. All in favor? >> I. Any opposed? >> Okay, that paper is unt 27-26 petition Massachusetts Electric Company DBA National Grid plan number 30967378. National grid to install underground
facilities on Nuland Street. Work in the city right ofway includes two 4-in steel rises on existing pole number 3812 and approximately 51 ft of two 4-in concrete encased 40 PVC conduits from eastern side of
existing pole number 3812 in front of 46 Newan Street continuing in a northern direction towards the 36-54 Broadway Plaza parking lot to feed the proposed padmounted transformer for a new EV charging station And I I would
just comment because um the sponsoring counselor isn't here this evening, but he asked that this paper be held over only because the first time we took it up. Council Taylor had some questions. National Grid wasn't here because we were in the middle of a blizzard to answer those questions. So it's my
understanding council Simelli is okay with this project barring your your questions for tonight. So um councel taking it up without him. >> Okay. I'll go to councelor Taylor for any questions. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I think the the biggest questions from
the last time we talked is that there were some concerns with the way that National Grid was handling the permits once they were put out there. We wanted to make sure this wasn't going to continue. Um there were had been some issues with previous permits and other
areas and that was my biggest concern um in asking you know for some more questions of national grid. those have since been settled. Um, so I'm not, you know, I'm not concerned with the work going forward and I don't want to hold it up any longer.
>> Okay. Thank you, Councelor Taylor. I see a light from councelor Winslow. >> Yeah, I I think one of the questions that came up last time was, is is this going to be like a level two or a fast charger? Is that that So maybe we can just have someone come up and state that. >> Yeah, >> that would be great.
>> Yeah. So that was >> since councelor McDonald's not here and that was their question. >> Come on. Yeah. If you can name it address >> Katie Campion WS development on behalf of the property owner and I'd be happy to send a follow-up email to that way it can be distributed. >> That would be great. Thank you.
>> Okay. Um and I'm just reading because I had to clarify myself. These are level three fast chargers. They're DC fast chargers. Electrify America who operates them are calling them hyperfast. They correct directly through DC current. So they can add up to 100 miles in 30 to 60
minutes. >> So >> wow. >> Yeah. >> So having an EV myself and and traveling up to Portland, Maine, I I realized the importance of these chargers and we don't really have um any of these. I mean Walmart Walmart has a lot of them
but um and the nice thing is in that 30 minutes to an hour that people will be shopping or you know I think it's an asset um uh that can be to the community. So, I think it's um you know, supportive um and and just seeing their there's I I being a relatively new EV
owner um I was surprised that most of the chargers out that right now are like the 110 volt and that can take hours and hours and to be able to like there was one on the m the main turnpike where in an hour I could, you know, charge up and get home or whatever. So, so they are
really a a a big step up and it would be nice to have these in the community and that would benefit community members as well as attract business. So, I definitely see the advantage. So, definitely supportive and it's, you know, near my ward. I'm I'll be up the street. So, great. Take care. >> Great. Thank you for remembering that
question. I appreciate it. Any any other questions? >> Motion to class. >> Okay. Did you second? >> Yeah, I'll second. >> Okay. on a on councelor Seika's motion to grant seconded by councelor Winsow with the following conditions. One that
the engineer be called when Dig Safe is notified and two that the streets and sidewalks be restored to the satisfaction of the director of public works. All those in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay, that motion is granted. >> Thank you. >> Thank you for coming.
>> Send an email to the city clerk. >> Yes, please. >> That would be great. Thank you. We appreciate it. >> Uh next order of business. That is your docket. >> The docket is clear. >> Do we have a motion to adjurnn? >> Motion to adjurnn. >> On a motion by councelor seea, seconded
by councelor crow. All in favor. >> At 7:45 we are ajourned. Are they really being recorded? >> I I don't not on TV. No, >> I didn't think so. I was like looking like I don't see green light >> the committee the whole meeting.
>> Yeah, I didn't I didn't know.