7:03 p.m. on Wednesday, October 15th, and I will call the finance committee meeting to order. Um, this is a hybrid meeting and it is being recorded. If we encounter technical difficulties during the meeting, then it will switch over to
an in-person meeting. Um, I have with me in the room, um, Dean Niadis, Andy Alderman, Mory Kraton, and myself, Sarah Melish.
>> Oh, and then guests from the select board, Ann Harrison and John Rat. I don't see Gail, are you online? >> I see I see Gar. >> Somebody coming. Um, >> I'm here.
>> Good. Thank you. And Gar Mo is just joining us. >> Um, >> Peter is out of the country and Tom Barkens moved to Glustire
to reside. So, here we are. Um, the first item on the agenda is the fiscal year. I'm hoping Andrea is going to join us because I kind of need
her. Um, is the fiscal year 25 year end report which was sent to us by Andrea. I think she sent it the end of last week and
then she resent it today >> um with some updates. And here's fire chief. >> Okay. >> Oh, here comes Andrea.
>> Okay. Does it smell like a birthday candle burning in here? >> Yeah, >> I'm not smoke like you are. >> We're lying here for >> That's a job. >> I don't have a very good system smell here. If you want it smells like fresh
just got turned. If it is a fire, we're in good hands. >> Sorry. >> As we are someone who decides to drive into the ocean on their way home, this is making us a bit of weird, but when I was in high school, we had a kid who was
great at basketball. our basketball team was he went to the state championships. Um and after the state championships he drove his mother's car through Reef Park and into the harbor >> so
>> well I'm sure own the car this morning will have something to say. Okay. So, did people have a chance to look at this 2025 year end report?
>> Yes. >> Are there particular areas that people want to address? I have a few, but I'll let others speak first. >> Recreation kind of jumped out. Yeah, the revenues were low.
>> Do we know why? >> Um, I looked in the detail and it was the parking was lower than we had received in years past. >> All the rain in June. >> Yeah. Right. Um, and it was mostly on like weekends. Um,
>> where does recreation parking at the beach? >> The beach. Oh, at the parking lot. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Out of towners. Right. Tony. >> Hello. Hello. Come on in. >> Yeah. How's it going? Good to see you. Can I see behind you?
>> Good to see you. >> Yes, sir. I'll grab a chair. >> You got it. Thank you. >> Okay. So, parking. Anything else, Andrea? >> And the beach passes. And I think it was
because um this sec second year that the um they had done the early bird special um the discount. >> Yeah. >> And so I think a lot of people took advantage of that folks. I'll also make my own sign comment which
appears to me that they don't pay a whole lot of attention to people coming on. They have a sign up and if people pay they pay but it seems to me that a lot of people just walk by.
That's my aside. Not that I've stood there and counted these just um >> well I haven't I have a >> Yes. >> comment. Um I I look at this from like
60,000 feet up in the air. >> Yeah. So, it appears to me from what I read here is that our total revenues were $38 million, more or less, kind of like that. >> And we spent um approximately $35
million or 36 rounding up. >> So, um it's always good if your revenues are greater than your expenses. Um, not a news flashash obviously, but uh, is that in keeping with history as far as
the margin that we've got here? We've got a whatever it is a 7% margin. I I think that we have struggled in this area and I think that last year we did make a policy decision which would say
that the revenues for the upcoming year would be 95% of the prior completed year unless the finance director determined there was some reason why we should be
using a higher or lower figure than that based on her knowledge >> and and the and talking about revenues. These are the the accumulation of all of our departmental budgets. they reflect actual, you know,
the the managerial expertise. And so, um, and the and the fact that we those were, I guess, you know, kind of in keeping with our our expectations and that our costs were being around 35
million is uh, excuse me, isn't that is that about right? Yeah. Let's say 36 million. That's um that's a positive. Do we have a any statutory reason why we have to have and I'm but I'm in favor of
it, but do we have that we have to have a a profit so to speak? >> Does this I al I also just want to make a note too like yes I have um like the 36 million for expenses but that doesn't include any capital expenses. Well, but
in my accounting um I don't uh capital costs are not a annual, >> right? >> That's the way I do it. I am I know it's different some of our capital costs >> from the tax rate. >> Okay. Yeah. Good. But this sheet is
really just a is the revenue side and what we've in the past we've always been conservative with our revenues and ended up putting it in the rain barrel and we've been encouraging them to be more aggressive with estimating it. So this
is a like a perfect you know I I see this as fruit from that discussion. >> Okay. Okay. Um just sure >> to your point if our revenues are high and our are are higher than budgeted and
our expenses are lower than budgeted we end up with sort of what we call net income in the commercial world. I love it. >> And in but in this case, it all drops down to essentially reserves. And this is something that this committee has been talking about for a whole lot of
years. Like how big do we let the reserves go? And at the end of the day, what what reserves really are is we're holding on to taxpayer money and and sitting on it. And so, you know, when that reserve number gets to be really big, we should be taking notice
and certainly others are taking notice. So, >> and and maybe lowering the tax rate a little bit or something. >> Lowering the tax rate or lowering our estimates. >> Paying a dividend. >> Paying a dividend. Yeah. >> Put it into commercial words. Yes. Yeah, >> I think that the the way the tax rate is
calculated is we take the estimated revenue list, the estimated expenses um and subtract out any money we're using from free cash and then the net amount we need to cover our expenses
goes into the tax rate. Is that a fair >> summary? Simplified makes sense. >> Yes. And that's one of the things we've been looking at each year is how things in these in the budget impacts our tax
rate so that we're not going wild on that >> to the on the reserve uh comment division of local services you know really recommends 5% of your budget to be held in stabilization I think a
better practice is to be around 10% % we're at around eight, right? Uh so that's healthy and good, you know, I don't think it's alarmingly high. Um but I do think, you know, as we get into later in this discussion about capital
and the next 5 10 years, those those types of things we have to think about and that you know and how we approach that. Well, and I think we've been last year we looked at it and reduced it from 10 to eight. >> Um, and there were some years when we
did 16%. And that's really high. >> That's when we started really using a lot of our >> our reserves. Um, >> yeah. For capital. And that's one of the things we only use them for capital expenses. Um,
>> yeah. I would >> I wouldn't want to see it go much less than eight, but I don't think we have to be aggressive to get back to 10, >> right? No. And that's not our intention. And I think that when we get further in this and look at the reserve count, the
estimate is that we're at 9%. So we have like just under 300,000 to use in next year's budget to be at the eight. And part of our challenge is is it includes our assessment of the schools.
>> So as a percentage of the operating budget we control it's a little high >> but the deter the auditors seem to say we needed to include the the co our cost for the regional >> even though that's their own
>> even though they have their own reserves. Yeah. >> And then just another quick comment on estimating revenues. uh we have to be mindful of how we
get more uh aggressive on that because Andrea as she changes her estimated revenues and reports to the state any sort of significant increase I forget what that amount is has to be
explained. You have to explain why you're you know making that change from year after year. So we have to think about >> 10%. >> Yeah. 10%. >> Yeah. So that that's kind of our policy is so we're trying to put in 95% of the
previous year unless there's any specific reason to change it. That's kind of what we've requested. >> Yeah. So my other point which I which I will repeat um is that um do we actually
depreciate our assets um in based on any uh you know likely schedule in other words if we have a a you know firehouse and the firehouse is supposed to last I don't know 30 years
or 20 I don't know something like that do we take 130th of the cost basis of that firehouse and charge it against current uh operations. Now that that's what a business would >> and >> we don't want to store up that excess
money. >> Okay. >> Um from current taxes and so I think that's the point of doing this 25 year capital plan. >> I I get it. Yeah. that we've been working on is is to try to keep those expenses within a reasonable
amount regarding increase total increase in taxes. Um I mean Essex takes a different approach. I think Essex has $9 million in reserves in but it's all in these little little buckets and the only bucket we
have is we have the free cash, we have stabilization, we have the apparatus fund for fire and we have the enterprise accounts >> retainer. >> Yeah. >> And those are really the only buckets we have. And we've been really reluctant
to stash away money because I think I think our taxpayers have been receptive to the budgets we've been presenting of being what we really need and therefore we feel what we've seen is if we need more they seem to be willing
>> and and our debt is not overburdensome >> right >> I say we don't have $34 trillion of debt. No, we've been >> like some million. >> We went through a number of years where we did not increase our debt at all and now we're back into the needing a little
bit of debt. >> Yeah. The 25 year plan showed some years where we were approaching that 10 10% ceiling to whatever that ceiling was, but we're looking at it now. >> Yeah. Just to quickly go back to the the total
revenue and expense number. The difference is about $2 million in this >> 200 200,000 >> couple million is it? >> No. The difference in revenue is $8.44. So
>> Oh, I was taking the the revenues minus the expenses is a couple of million, right? >> So those expenses expenses are different but like 285 or something. Right. So, and I was trying to figure out what's the what's the portion of
that $2 million delta that capital is taking up. If you look over at the reserve calculation, >> just one question on Andrea's um general fund revenues, the 8441 158 is
essentially revenue received beyond budgeted revenue, >> which is 2% over the budget, >> which is 2% over. >> Yes. Right. But if you go to the FC estimated tab, I think that kind of
summarizes how we get to the only having the 286,000 >> okay >> available in the reserve account because the expenditures are
only 91,000. No, that's enterprise. >> Oh, general funded expenditures. That might be a good time. I guess it was 369 3687, right? expenditures the difference between
budgeted and actual. >> Yes. Was three almost 369. So the 369 and the 844 is the numbers. See, but then there's the
because this doesn't include the capital expenditures, correct? >> Correct. >> So, so on the at that that 598 the difference between and local receipts >> at what point does that go into the
reserve? like isn't that >> that's the calculation if you look under FC estimated. >> Yeah, >> it's in the back. >> Okay, >> that's her that's the calculation of how to determine what goes in to the fund. So it's they can't just take the
difference between the revenues. >> No, >> they have to also look at the expenses and everything else. >> Right. That's right. Okay. >> Um >> that's true. Never mind. >> And carryover. >> This is only it's not profit. Okay.
And then she has carry forwards which are monies we didn't spend that she's assuming they'll spend next year so it doesn't go into free cash. Right. Right. >> But we're not like the federal government where if they don't spend it in a year it disappears.
Never mind. >> It goes into our free cash. >> Yeah. Goes in free cash >> which we can then use in the next budget. So there's a delay of a year. a year. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because what goes in the end of this year won't be available until the fiscal
year >> 27 >> 28 >> 28. >> Um what was closed out at the end of June gets certified for us to vote on and you
to vote on in the spring or the fiscal year starting in July? Okay. So we take it into consideration when we do the budget. >> Okay. Thank you. >> So that the gap is that certification time.
>> Um now the cap I looked at the capital and you have a number of things listed as closed. So you've moved that excess money um to the reserves. But there are some here that I thought that we had identified that needed to be closed that haven't been
like one of my pet peeves, which is the >> swingy parking >> barn DPW garage area, the $100,000 tent that they never put up. >> Oh, yeah. No, that is that should be closed. >> Okay.
>> Sorry about that. That that one and that's Check the Sweeting Parting Law is the other one. >> Okay. Good. >> Um, the library building construction grant match also should be closed, >> right? That was the other one. Yeah. Okay. >> Sorry about that.
>> So, you've actually moved those out to free cash or not, >> right? Yeah. So, I haven't rolled them over or anything. So, all the free cash. >> Good. So that's little extras to free cash is when we have I think what we said is on the capital items.
Wouldn't we say if they hadn't been spent in two years that you would look at them and >> yes, >> we would roll off the ones that made sense to roll off and only keep those that >> there were specific reasons like dredging. We wouldn't want to roll off and
>> right generally roll off water and sewer stuff. Well, we were having troubles that people were getting money, not spending it. That's 88. >> What else? Andrea, were there particular surprises
that you found kind of the end of fiscal 25 that you were like, how'd that happen or what? They kind of went off what you were anticipating. >> Yeah, I think um there were and I think kind of like flushed it out when we did
the urine transfers because we had so many urine transitors and that just um I was not expecting that. Um, so I'm really looking to make sure that we don't do that. >> Oh, good. Yeah. >> Well, my concern it used to be
before we switched the accounting of what town meeting approved, things couldn't be spent unless it went through the FINCOM reserve account. And now it seems to me there's so much
flexibility within the budget that people aren't being quite as good about keeping within the budget and we're depending on other departments to come in under budget and that just makes me a little nervous.
Anybody else? >> So um I was surprised to see that there's 131,000 in sidewalks left. Truck was saying that he was out, but uh we could definitely use a few that I rode my bike
down the Union Street Hill the other day and that sidewalk is just >> Yeah, >> all the sidewalks are a couple, >> but you know, if there's no money, but there's 130 cars, >> well, that might um be encumbered.
I I didn't He said we were out so I wasn't sure but I was like >> put the sidewalk from >> up to the beach. >> Yeah, I think we're we rolled it forward into the current fiscal year and we're using it for projects now.
>> So Union Street up to beach. >> That's >> No, I think it's beach. >> No neck road up to the circle. The beach circle. >> Oh, okay. including the circle. >> Yeah, >> that definitely needs >> Yeah. No, it's
>> it's rough >> seeing all those people walking in the street now because it's >> where they make you walk through the rough dirt if they're coming from the other way and won't move over. Lady complained to me once because I wouldn't walk through the dirt.
>> I agree with it. >> The abunders are okay with that. There was some right away issues before, but it seems to have quieted down. Um, I wouldn't say they are, you know, enthusiastic. Um, but we met with a few
of the abutters. We talked to them about the issue that we're dealing with there. I think ultimately once the project's done in the next couple weeks, >> uh, people will be pleased. Um, you know, it's hard because you want to be responsive and understanding to the
abutters, but that sidewalk serves hundreds of thousands of people beyond just the abutters. So, there's uh, you know, working that out. >> I really like the change in the lighting standards. That was Yeah, I'm glad we didn't put the same one back up
three years in a row. >> So, yes, kudos. Yeah. Anything else on the path? Where do we stand on the um
completion of the purchase of the senior center? >> Uh we are currently in talks with legal counsel on our side and legal representation on the Mason side. ironing out the condo docks.
Uh so we're making progress. Um beyond that, we're we've had a lot of meetings regarding the senior center um how it should be used and talking with
the friends and the board. We had a sharet today at Masonic Hall um talking about that plan. And then other COA related item is we have the director position posted and we've >> received
about a dozen applications already and really qualified candidates. >> Uh so >> which will help that project >> that will all of that is moving in a good direction in a positive direction. We'd like it to be faster, but uh it it
is a very unique land transaction dealing with condomizing a nonprofit building with a municipality on registered land >> near the ocean.
>> Near the ocean. >> What would be worse? >> It's complex. We've been there >> and because of the delay, if they change the footprint, it all has to go back to where ZBA
>> footprint from what was proposed. >> What was approved by the ZBA? >> I'll have to look at that. I >> just So you're aware >> I don't think the footprint has changed. Okay. Other than the addition on the on the front side where the COA was, it had
kind of a jog in by like a foot or two. >> Yeah, >> we just moved it to be in line with the existing >> wall. So, I don't know if that might require, but we'll uh >> don't think that was a setback issue, but >> No, it wouldn't it wouldn't be. We have plenty of room on that. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. Anything else on this? Next is the launch service. >> It seems like the uh revenues for launch service were a little lower than we kind of thought they might be >> than they are.
>> And I I looked at the projections too, projected budget, and they're way low. >> They are. And I I've noted in my email that I'm working with client to like confirm some of these numbers because we found that people putting um their payments in online would just put like
the total amount under mooring. So it would like include their launch. Um so we're going throw in definitely have like my ask for like the list of all the launch passes and he came up with 68.
Um, so that's $39,100 for the just launch classes. >> And the tourist seems low. >> Well, Taurus, the way we had um online payments system set up, we switched it. Um, so it was also on UDIP, but then it
was also on on DACA. And on DACA, there wasn't a separate line. So everything was going under the transient dock um fees. So we're ironing all of this out and reconciling it all and we'll have updated soon. >> Okay.
>> I'm meeting with the treasur tomorrow. She has all the reports ready for us to go through. >> I mean you we talked about you feel comfortable enough to say that we believe that it will be profitable. It's not going to be
a loss. Uh but the numbers right now we have some deeper analysis to do to really give you the specific amount. >> Yeah. I I think that when we were when we originally
agreed to it, we were very skeptical. And so there was all this work done on the projections um because some of it has to repay the cost of the boats. And so what we said is that we would look at it again in two
years, three years to decide whether we should continue it. And this year is troublesome based on the numbers that are currently there. leave it to municipal government to
uh you know have an error in reconciliation that >> doesn't help alleviate the skepticism. >> Uh we will we promise we don't want we want to make sure that we deliver the information you guys
>> uh you know want to see and make sure that it's clear what the impact is >> on that service. And the other thing is you have a note here at the bottom, Andrea, about
116,000 for the new boats. >> It isn't included, >> right? >> I It's not clear to me what portion of that was for >> let's >> real boats or for har boats.
>> Yes. So that's why I haven't included it yet because we're waiting. We're applying for a grant from the port authority for the two uh boats and so until so we get that. I wasn't sure like exactly how much the boats were going to cost, how much the grant was going to cover. Um but I just made that note just
so we're still like >> don't forget it. >> Don't forget it. Yeah. >> Did we appropriate that or is that how much we're hoping to get grants for? >> We appropriated that's the town. >> We were going to get three boats and he didn't want to salvage any of the old ones. So, we were going to have six
boats at the end of the year and you know I don't there was some grant that was going to pay for it all. >> That's what they were planning for. >> Okay. >> So, we have I mean if if we're uncomfortable with the
>> everything's in good hands I think your turn. If if they are uncomfortable with the launch service going forward, then my question is how's how does that impact >> the purchase of those bolts? Um I I just don't remember what it was
loop around and I wasn't sure what was happening. Um because we wouldn't want to go ahead and pay for a launch service boat if we're going to determine it's not profitable. So you think we could maybe do a survey among the the harbor people the >> I mean the the realization that they
might have 10 trips a year and is $15 a trip worth it? The >> survey doesn't matter. What matters at this point is what's actually coming in. >> Um you know people can say yes all they want. Um but we went down a lot on the
number of um people we had doing the annual fee from last year to this year. Right. >> Or you don't know that yet? >> Well, no. Uh I do know. So last year we had 71 launch passes and this year we have 68. >> So not
>> not much. Not much difference. >> Okay. >> How long do you think that we can update these numbers? Like how long do you think it'll take to kind to go through that reconciliation process?
>> Actually we get through it. >> I dare say that. Exactly. >> Tomorrow gets really long. >> Tomorrow for sure. >> Uh so I would say let's put a pin in it if that's okay and we'll have once you have the updated numbers then you can
really make an informed decision. >> Right. Exactly. >> And I do >> and I'll put it on our agenda for our November meeting. Because the other thing is you can't really look. It does help with Bion's overall operations with his dock hands
and stuff to have this service. I I think there's a whole >> Well, let's not talk about this until we get to the point where we have accurate numbers >> and see whether we feel it's even an issue. >> Okay. >> Just can I throw out one more comment? >> Yes, ma'am.
>> Um for the that those two boat replacements. >> Yeah. depending on how everything all works out like the old eastern might be transferred over to the launch backup launch so that it the launch won't have like new boats. >> Okay. So, we'll get rid of one launch
and then have that. >> So, we're we bought two launches from Tom. >> Yeah. >> And we're getting what rid of one of those two launches >> because the engines put the age. Yeah. Engine, the repairs, everything. So,
which begs the question, why would we buy a purchase package? I mean, I guess I guess at some point, um, I don't mean to be a wet blanket here, but if this thing doesn't work, uh, we need to say, "No, we're not going to do launch service anymore. We're not
in the business of of providing launch service at a loss." Um, >> right. And I think that's why we're waiting for the updated numbers to see. Okay. Do we have the harbor's too small for this type of thing? >> Because last year, I don't know if you
saw them. Were you on here in January of 24? >> No, I don't think I was >> because Peter and Kathy Balada worked hard on doing uh financial projections. >> Okay. Um, and that's what I looked at.
And this was off about $8,000 >> lower than what projection was. >> I don't know, Andrea, when you have those numbers, if you can send them around before our next meeting >> to look at that. Yeah.
>> Um, really curious about the doa numbers for transients and the revenue for launch. And I just I want to see this work. I drive by every single day my way to work and I look diligently down that dock and when I come and when I come
home I look the same way and there has been a significant absence of boats on those docks this summer and um so that's one issue because I think that helps us figure out how much scale do we do here up or down and then I don't know about
the staffing um the seasonal staffing for the lawn launch, but you know, parking spaces in front of Reed are often empty and there's one or two people sitting there under the umbrella. The launches are usually at the same place all the time. So, you know, to
Gar's point, I think we want to figure out do we amp this up or do we What do we do? >> Maybe we can find somebody to buy it from us. >> What's that guy's name? Tomson. >> Bingo. for a gold mine, you wouldn't have sold
it. >> Okay, we done with the launch for today. I'll put it on the next agenda. Next is fire department update on grants
and the chief is here. >> Yes. >> To give us his spiel. >> Um, so we'll do the easy one first. Um, so we were awarded a uh the first uh FEMA grant for our SCBAs, which we were
hoping for because they're actually going to time out this year. Uh, so the FEMA grant we got was for $260,000 and change uh with a town match of 13,000. That will update all of our SCVAs um as well as our rapid intervention packs.
>> How many? >> Uh it's 22 um and with a spare bottle. So, every piece has three and then your couple spares. >> What was the grant? 260. >> Uh $260,4761 >> with a town match of 13,000. >> So,
my thought is because we did not contemplate this. We didn't budget for this when we did the budget for fiscal year 26.
It seems to me that this would be an appropriate thing to pay from the fincom reserve rather than try to finagle it from other monies that this is truly a new expense.
>> The 13k match >> 13 the match. >> Does that make sense to people? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. So, >> is that number what what's required or we just backing it in? >> No, that's a required match of $13,2.39.2. >> Yeah.
>> By move I move that we uh take that out of reserves. >> I'll second 13 $269. You second >> 39 cents. >> 30 minutes.
>> Any discussion? All in favor? >> I. >> So, you can do that paperwork and I'll sign it. >> Okay. Get something out of the way. >> Second grant is we hit the power ball. Well, you might cringe, but we hit the
power ball. Uh so we had we had applied for a safer grant which is basically a federal grant which uh most people do um they try for it and are usually unsuccessful. Um this year based upon they look at things like amount of uh
property protected types of call um hazards in town um increasing um infrastructures things that are on the forecast to be built um which I think put us to the top of their uh list. So, we got a grant to hire uh four full-time
firefighters for it covers for three years. Uh the grant covers uh 25 uh 25% for year 1 and two and I want to say 35% for year three. >> The grant only covers 25% or the town is
>> No, the town grant covers 75 75. >> Okay. >> 35. >> Okay. Um we have to as part of the grant we have to um make a we have to maintain go from 17 to
21 FTEEs for the grant period. They understand hiring like if we have somebody retire they understand there's a lag time in that but the purpose of the grant is to go from 17 and up to a minimum of 21 FTEs for the grant period.
Um the grant would uh start a performance period of March of 26 to March of 29 is the performance period of the grant. Um so we have a three month or you know uh three-month window where we a fourmonth window where we had to find out of this current fiscal year
which the numbers I believe are 20 do you have that any 25,000? >> It's $24,533 >> which would be our share for this current fiscal year. Um, >> now that gets to
the assistant fire chief. >> Yep. >> Can we use that position as part of them? >> So, we can um what I would recommend is we have a known retirement. Lieutenant Ducet has to retire in February of 27,
about a year into that performance period. So what I would recommend doing um is at that point in time we go from the 22 down to the 21 FTEEs. Uh reason I recommend that I think it's in the best faith of the grant and it also uh
selfishly gives me a one-year window to do some trials for some different things um profit revenue generating ideas I have with the department. gives me a one-year window to actually try it and have good numbers to report back uh to
you and the slack board. >> I I guess my concern is that this is again not something that we included in our budget, but we did include 30,000 for an assistant fire chief in the
fiscal year 26 budget. It seems to me that if we can use that to be one of the cover that cost when we approved that, we assumed the next year we were going to have to pay for a full year.
>> So it seems to me like that would cover our 25% >> Oh wow. >> match, >> right? >> And you would just have an assistant fire chief and three firefighters. under the safer grant.
>> But I I have to word it a little bit differently for the because the grant can't cover the assistant chief. It covers four firefighters. So there has it can be done that way. has to be articulated in a different
>> fashion to to meet the grants >> because we were planning to have the assistant and I thought our needs were 16 and if this grant commits us to keeping 21 is it really worth it? >> Well, this operating over the years
>> the budget with this funding for 30,000 was bringing us to 17. >> No, that No, we have 17 today. >> 17. Yes, >> that would bring us to 18. Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. Which is >> so we were anticipating going to 18. >> Okay.
>> And it's also my understanding at the end of the safer grant we're not required to keep those people. >> There's no requirement. Previous safer grants they pay 100% for the three years but there was a requirement to maintain for two or three year performance period
after they got rid of that. Um, so I can see a need maybe for more firefighters once the Cell signaling comes online and there's another 500 people in town every day. But, you know,
I don't know if we can post or we do it now if we gear up for that. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I think honestly for this, this is a great onboarding tool because it it pays for them to go the salaries to go through the academy if they got to go
through the academy. So, it does ramp it up. I'm not sure what the timeline is for sales changed at all, but it would line up with that. I assume three years. I think phase one was three or five years out. I'm not sure if it's changed recently, but kind of lines up with that. So,
>> so is the idea that you know so it would sort of expand under the oposes of the of the grant. >> Yeah. >> And then once the grant period is over the expectation is kind of settle back to our number. >> So yes, in that peri and this is where
I'm you know forthcoming during that three-year period my goal is to show you here are the revenues we're able to generate by different services and we able to offset some of that cost. You want to you want to prove out that 20 >> exactly >> because operationally it makes it makes
it so we don't we can handle two medicals at a time which are happening all the time now. Um and it allows us the um you know we always say that two and twoour rule. We have that and that's how we met the theme of regulation is we'll have four people going to a fire
every single time. Um just curious for people what are we talking about dollar wise here it's about it's about 280 >> so it's uh so it's a uh 25% for year one and two is 111
>> I was just thinking more like four four people all in >> four it would be or uh 4 or 44. I think it would be >> that' be the total amount of the grant like the grant plus our match, right? Because that's the analysis I assume you
did for the application. >> Grant plus >> plus town match. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So we costed out the cost of those four in order to apply. Yep. And then they divide that cost between the fed match
and the town match. So the total cost >> and keep in mind it's March to March. So there's another element there of it's not a full fiscal year. >> Right. >> Right. >> March on either side. Yeah.
>> That might be a good way to see if you know a couple more equivalents would reduce the overtime stuff further. But >> it doesn't seem we seem to have hit our natural. >> Is there any other services we can provide that bring in more revenue,
>> right? That's what he's >> right. And that's what he would need to do. >> So today >> when we do transports, >> we can only do one. >> So year one, >> whereas we'd be able to do two.
>> Second ambulance coming >> the grant program year one. Does that bring in in revenue to June comes out of this fiscal year >> and then July to March of next year comes out of next fiscal year. So it's
just >> it makes things a little bit confusing. >> You get to the end and you're 35% it's kind of >> spread across. >> Right. Yeah. >> Right. And then you have annual adjustments have on a fiscal year basis.
So it's not it's not perfect July to June, >> right? >> So it's a little little different of an analysis, but >> he's got the >> And is the third year our match 35%. >> Our match is 60%.
Hold >> on. The FEMA website's down because unplugged symbol. So stand by. scroll through the uh PDF pages to >> I did upside off pretty quick.
That makes me a question. You can refer back to what you want. >> There's a shot. >> You're asking for expected total funding, right? >> You're looking for the cost at year four. idea is what we're looking for, >> right? When the grant's gone. >> When the grand's gone, I want to say it
was 444, >> which would be 111 per person times four. >> And that's benefit that's salary. Yeah. So if we we basically just sort of say 450k
and first year is we're dealing with 25% and 25% and then the third year we're the cash flow point of view that lets us know there another justification if in addition to
Lieutenant Ducet is anyone else scheduled to like phase out that this would pay for their training to for the replacement and >> there there's one other um I don't have a definitive time but I you know within two to three year basically the end of
the grant so there are going to be some >> um staff of trained people >> which I want to say does have a positive impact on OT. >> Yep.
>> Right. Versus if we had to send someone to the academy to get trained up to back fill >> backing with OT during that time. >> Just trying to >> and and having that kind of having that
um you know right now we're staff with four group we dropped to three um so somebody's out sick or on vacation time. Same thing would happen. We'd be staffed to five, we dropped to four. We have that buffer so that overtime you shouldn't see a increase in overtime. It
should maintain because as you seen in the graphs I've sent is our overtime is we've done very well at keeping it well below where it's been. >> It's going to have some over time. >> Yeah, you're not you're not going to get rid of it completely. Um we try to we do a lot of training on duty as a the groups do individual training instead of
having >> twice a year. Actually today's one of them. I didn't know he had the meeting. So we schedule a department training for day today but twice a year the whole department gets together. >> Okay. >> Other than that it's each individual training is done on group in between calls. So that that helps quite a bit
and then the call department comes in. We usually do trainings Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday to integrate the call department as well. This is something we have to act on now or is it like we can >> Well, I think cost benefits and look at
>> I think the the question is is whether he accepts the grant >> is there and and if so then you do have to figure out you know the March to June portion of the match for the current
fiscal year. I'm still arguing that we use that 30,000 we wouldn't budget it >> for the assistant chief. >> So it'll be about 112,000 hit for Manchester and that's uh two March
four months. So it's the third year. So >> 30,000. >> Yeah. >> I I you know I think that you could go there's a couple different paths you could take. You could use the reserve fund. You could take the approach that
you're recommending. You could also have you also have that endofear transfer option if if the chief, you know, does find savings in his budget and needs extra funds to cover some of that match cost. Um, you can do that through an
endofear Oh, actually, you wouldn't even need, you know, you'd have less to ask for in an endofear transfer. Yeah, I'm just I'm not inclined to add money to this year to the fiscal
year 26 budget for the match on the safer grant for the last four months. Um now maybe he delays hiring the assistant chief, you know. Um >> yes, Scott,
>> I have a question. Um, this is terrible question, but I'm just blurred it out. What if we didn't get this grant? Would we have a problem with our staffing or are we staffing because we got the grant? >> I I know that's
>> No, no, I think No, I think that's that's an honest thing. I I think that the call volume or request of service have steadily been rising. Um, we see the how do I say this politically correct? new generation is more reliant on assistance from different agencies
for a variety of things. Um, which the fire department's no different. Um, and then we also have things like CST and other potential things that, you know, we should be forward thinking and not knee-jerk. And I think this is a great way of kind of merging those two um,
idea processes through. >> But are we had do let me just be a little more obnoxious. No, that's right. Um, if you if you boiled it down between emergencies, hey, my four-year-old is up on the third floor and the flames are coming up the stairs.
>> That's a hell of an emergency. Or >> I feel faint. >> I don't know. Maybe that's an emergency, too. I mean, everything >> we can. So, so what I do do is, and one of the things I always, you know, make a
comment in the reports is important. Um a lot of departments they put a car seat they count that as a run. We don't do that. So when I say we do 1,200 runs that is,200 emergency responses. Okay. >> In addition we do inspections, car seats, permitting things like that. So
um other departments in the area every single time they do anything is run. I don't do that because I don't think that's good. That's not marketing ourselves in the correct. >> Well the other thing is when you have a good department, people are more likely to call it.
So unfortunately we got a pretty >> we got a pretty good event. >> Yeah. Okay. Thanks. One question I would just ask is what do you think could go wrong with this? >> Because I think every time we we get
involved with things like this, we want it to go right, but we also need to just sort of say what's the backside risk. The only thing I can think of is that if you have for some reason a lot of people resign from the department and you're having a really hard time hiring.
>> Yeah. >> So your numbers go way down. Is the state going to come in and push on us hard and say, "Whoa, you got to get that number to 21 and we're doing it through OT or something." But >> um
getting a call right now. >> Well, there's two going on now. So at >> the same time this is a perfect example. >> No way. I'm training tonight. So it's actually there's plenty of people to do it. Um so I think that things that can
go wrong like for that that example you gave as long as we're in process and we show we're trying to hire, we're doing interviews, assessment centers, things like that, they're totally fine as long as we're in good faith trying to make maintain them. Um I think you know if we
said oh all of a sudden no year three I think then that's a more of a legal thing. Um you know I think that these additional four that's where the department unless we have some type of 70s story highrise on downtown. Don't
anybody listening think that's going to happen then then maybe we would need more but this puts us for good for now and anything that we would need in the future. >> Yeah. Okay. And and if if there's a delay in hiring
these people, >> then that means the grant would cover less and we would pay less of a match. >> Yes. But the idea is on the flip side, they'd rather us hire now and have it
the performance period go from January, let's say, of 26 to January of 29. they we have to would have to request an extension to be granted if we didn't hire from before March. I think it's 14th. >> No, I'm thinking as time goes on and
people leave. >> So, you're in the grant period, you have your 21. >> Yeah. >> Now, two people have left. >> As long as we're in process, they they understand that. >> But do they keep paying the grant or do they cut back on the grant because you minus the people? note because you actually the four people you hire as
part of the grant are those four people. So if Joe Smith gets hired for the grant that's what they're they're funding Joe Smith. Now, if he resigns and goes to Gloucester, then we have to submit that Joe Smith has now been replaced with John Smith and they're funding that name, not the position.
>> It's a individual. >> Does that make sense? >> Yeah. So, I furthering Mory's thought on what are the risks? Could could accepting the state um grant and funnel more calls from the state
dispatch to us and do we win or lose money on these ambulance calls? You know, so if they're if they're funding our firefighters, they go, "Oh, let's let's have Manchester go there." >> I don't think they should. >> So So the funds is coming from the federal government. Um with the
additional right now, we do uh backup ALS services, let's say, to Essex. So if our ambulance is tied up and Essex needs paramedics, we don't we currently can send a fly car, but then we don't have the ability basically to build for that. >> If we transport and the person's in our
ambulance, we actually build for that transport based upon the acuity of the call. So there's different transports, but >> not sure it's worth it to do out of time calls other than >> Well, we have our traditional our traditional
>> so so the mutual aid is ahead. Yes, >> this a state law they call we have to go. >> So we don't that's not >> this we start getting more >> so what's our sense >> well it it sounds like there's I mean before there was a downside because then
there was a stipulation they had to keep that staffing for so many years after the grant expired. now we don't have them and further than that I guess I would support you know your thought of trying to that intervening time to
identify revenue opportunities that you think could then sustain that and uh and it has a rationale in that it uh it gets you to that more ideal staffing level that we've forever talked about so I'm
not supporting of I think it's generally a good idea. I mean, if you look at over three years, the town costs about $500,000 let out over three years. Um, it sounds like there's some flexibility. So, if we have people leaving and you're trying to
hire, we're not pinned down. We can see how it goes and and adjust year to year. As we, you know, we get the end of year three and it's going great, super. Or if it's not, we adjust. Yeah. I'm willing to move that we recommend
accepting this to the select board. >> You green? >> Yep. >> Okay. Yes. >> We supported. >> Yeah. Betting all the
>> Let me write that down. blame it on us. >> So, was that was that an actual motion? Did you want to vote on it or >> I would be a motion or >> So, we're making a recommendation to the board of selectment. Is that is that how this isively
going? >> So, let's >> Do you want to make a motion? Yeah, I'll make a motion that we um go forward with the recommendation of the acceptance of the safer grant for three-year period based on the information received. Um
yeah, that's it. Any discussion? Take a vote. Dar, >> yes. >> Lori, >> yes. >> Andy, >> yes. Sarah says yes. Okay, so that's our
formal vote. Thank you. I would just have to keep the fire station from flooding. >> Okay, >> that's it for your grants, Chief. >> Yeah, I was just actually looking at your agenda. I don't think >> No, I think you I tried to put you
towards the beginning. Thank you. Thank you. You're welcome. Go to your little calls. >> Um, next item on the agenda is does the finance director have any update on any other pending grants?
So, I do have some pending grants. Um, two of them are with the SEC, the Seport Economic Council. Uh, one is for the fisherman's facility which is $453,000 and another one is for the rotunda and
like replacement of the pier at tux point um for 2.4 million >> and where does that come from? >> That also from the same >> council. So somehow the um they were able to
grant more than one million to one project. >> Has it been >> No, we those are applied. Yeah. Applied not yet. >> Okay. >> Andrea, what is the rotunda? I think we know about because we've been talked about that for a couple years. What is
the seapport facility one encompass or what's that? >> The commercial fisherman. >> Yes, it's a fisherman's facility. Um, yep. >> Over park. >> So, essentially it's uh docks and
>> it's like here speak about it, but it's like it's the facility that the fishermen can come and they can hook up. They can um I believe it provides electricity whatot. >> Wasn't that the one adding floats between pier and
>> Yeah. I don't I thought the planning board had dropped that one and he was going for just along the the railroad track. Apparently he's >> that's not that's not for commercial fisherman. That's something >> that's the one that was going through
the planning board. This one was >> planning board >> on back burner so on. So now all of a sudden >> well the commercial fisherman is the one that we recommended against many years ago. >> So I'm just sort of curious again. I
grants are great but but you know you win the minute you find yourself in a place that maybe you didn't originally intend to be in like you know singing beach years ago and ripcraft walls. So I just want to make sure we really understand what our commitment is here
and you know if it's dock so that fishermen can get to boats and more easily maintain their profession longer I'm totally for that. If it's building infrastructure with electricity and laundry and other stuff because it'll
benefit a few fishermen, but it'll do something else. I'm not in favor of that. And this is where personally I sort of am like what are we voting on or what are we recommending? So I think clarity of clarity of the grant is important.
>> So I have the um grant application for the fisherman's facility. Not sure. Um, so the project proposes the installation of a floating dock system and structural repairs to an existing municipal facility. The project will provide the
town with an economical and practical approach to achieving both short and long-term resiliency. Since the gangly system and floats can be readily modified and reused to accommodate sea level rise, climate change concerns, the floating dock system will rise and lower with the natural e and flow of the tides
within the harbor. Proposed piles are designed to keep the flow system secure during typical tides and storm events. The expected life of the facility is 50 years. >> 15 50 >> 50 years. >> That's typically the window they're
looking at sea level rise for permitting on this coastline. The project will serve the commercial commercial fishing fleet and will provide a walkable connection between Mascanomo and Reed Parks for the public to enjoy. The project meets the town's goals to alleviate congestion and
navigational hazards in the harbor, provide the commercial and recreational community with improved access to navigable waters, and support the town's economy. The project will benefit the town long term. So that sounds predominantly floats,
gang ways, stuff that's stuck in the mud and the water, which is I think fine as an observation and I have sent a number of pictures to Bion um on low tides in front of Captain Dusty's you probably see the steam blue.
>> It flats out. So, you know, this walkway from Morse Pier to Reed Park will essentially be on floats that are sitting on dry land. And that's one thing, but if it involves
dredging in there, that's kind of a different deal. So, again, I I need to be a stickler on this, but all these little pieces get kind of connected together. And um >> I don't know why they didn't trench that when they did the other trench. A lot of the feedback though was to keep
that open. This is a department out of control. I'm ready to work. Hit the new >> I thought they actually did drench in there because I I went down one night and watched more. I I really I really don't
feel comfortable with a finance committee member making that type of statement with the harvester not present in a public meeting. That's your opinion. >> Yeah, I'm entitled to >> You are entitled to it, but it's it's not exactly fair to make that type of
statement in a public meeting without him here. >> It's not fair. I'm speak for my master department. >> You can. >> Sorry. It's it's also not a finance
committee issue. >> So it should not be discussed in a finance committee meeting. >> Okay. >> Okay. Any other grants? >> Just so the grant is for 470 >> granted yet or it's the application for
grant is 470. That's for engineering. 453,000 for the um installation of docks. >> Okay. >> And that installs does that is there been some thought about the maintenance of those and if they get pulled out in the winter and how do we is that like
>> I don't think we need to discuss that. I think what I asked Andrea was for an update of the various grants. >> Okay. not for us to ask for an explanation, >> okay, >> of each grant.
>> I'm just again I'm going back to like CPC on Croll Chapel where we did lots of roof work and then we found out that each year we needed to have people on the roofs to maintain. So just the long-term maintenance is something I think we should just keep an eye, >> right? And on Tony's suggestion, maybe
we could have Bion come in the next meeting as an agenda item. >> I think that's more appropriate when we get to the budget. >> A few other grant updates. Uh we did receive a rural development fund grant
for fiscal year 26 at $110,000. Um the town originally applied for 135. This is for review of the general zoning district including the downtown area. Um looking at opportunities for additional
housing, climate resiliency, enhancing the commercial viability of downtown corridor. um essentially the ability to hire a consultant to help work with the planning planning board and the downtown
improvement committee um to look at some zoning improvements and also um streetscape conceptual streetscape designs. Um the police department also got a JAG grant.
forget how much that was for. Um >> I know it was up to $40,000. >> 40,000 and that's >> and that is uh to purchase uh software that it's called Blue Voice. Um it
allows No, go ahead. >> It's for two ebikes and one UTV. And then the Maya grant is for the Blue Voice. >> I'm sorry. All right. Yes. Yeah. The myogram was for the blue voice which is a software program that it's like AI um
system that our officers can look up real time instantly laws, regulations, you know, things that really kind of adjusting to the current environment that they deal with. Um, and then there's also the Jag
Grant or what Andrew was just speaking to. Um, is this a second ATV vehicle or replacing one? >> UTV. So, >> Oh, that's your
>> They're bigger. >> I've never understood the difference between them. What's >> the UTV has like a a larger like um flat >> a flat bed thing >> kind of what the fire department has for forestry >> like utility vehicle like an altering
>> it helps like they need it for you know they've had us so many more calls for like people lost in the woods injured in the woods you know a lot of trails here trying to get access to them things like that >> on the rural development grant um
would they be able to look at um like some kind of by some kind of congestion improvement downtown which I see is the main restriction for the whole mess down there. But >> you know a third corridor or or maybe some kind of bypass because so much
traffic I mean the beach is the main generator of tourism or incoming people and they all have to go through that corridor. >> Yeah. But but we did have a traffic study. >> Yeah. And the traffic study was it wasn't bad.
>> So >> that was for >> there are not cars back >> street school street. >> There's not cars backed up in downtown. I'm sorry. I walk through there every day and there's not cars back there. Well, the week >> well I would say I would say you know as the planning board or the downtown
improvement committee starts to talk about the scope >> right >> of the consultant that's going to be paid for through the grant that would be the time to talk to them about you know what type of things we want to make sure is included in that. Um and then
uh we are also this is kind of really fresh. Um the town we are an MVP community municipal vulnerability preparedness. The town was designated many years ago.
The state has transitioned into MVP 2.0. We're required uh to apply for that actually this year uh in order to maintain our status. Being an MVP community allows you to
apply for action grants on an annual basis really. Um Rockport and Gloucester are also required uh at this time to apply. So we're talking about a regional application
uh for a planning grant to maintain as the three communities our MDP status and the regional approach is really beneficial because this 2.0 0 element does have a heavy emphasis on environmental justice communities which
obviously we don't have a ton here but bringing in gloss really helps us out in there's also a action grant and the MVP that we'll be uh applying for soon after
the new year if we were to apply for that grant as a single community uh first of all in order to be eligible to apply that we have to show that we're applying for the planning grant to be a 2.0 community. Uh
the grant max for a single community is $3 million on an action grant. Regional is five. So, we're also talking with Gloucester, Rockport, and Essex because of the
school system about applying for $5 million action grant through MBP for the Central Street Culver as a backup if brick doesn't get extended. And the regional application to that or the angle we're going to
really push is the um the main on electricity supply 2K band goes through the cul. Uh so >> correct. >> Yeah. So with brick kind of unknown as
to whether it's going to be extended or not, we really want to start looking at backup funding opportunities. And this seems to be one of the only that is available to us. And our gap, our brick funding is 4.2
4 >> more than that. >> Maybe 4.7. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um so you know that $5 million amount would would cover that. >> And then we have another grant for the culvert. >> We have Noah We have a Noah grant and we
have a mass grant as well actually. Are those safe? >> Those are safe. Uh the Noah grant actually since it's federal could be used as match towards the MVP.
So there's a benefit there too. So we're going to try and make that effort. Uh we're we're hopefully submitting our uh expression of interest next week. Um and then you know working with the other communities to put
together an application for early new year. >> So that's something that would be when would that be granted? How long does it take once you apply? >> Uh probably summertime we would find out.
>> It's usually a three four month process. So your sense is if we take that approach then we wouldn't need to fund anything for the covert in the fiscal year 27 capital budget.
>> Well I think we we won't know >> about whether brick's getting extended or whether we're getting the MVP grant until after town Mike meeting. Uh so we may still want to consider that, you
know, as a a capital item as a third backup plan. Um >> have we worked through the 91A situation? >> We're we're working through it right now
with DC permitting. Uh I mean my I don't see any any issue with us getting the permit. It's just the timing has been delayed because of the appeal. >> So it we're moving forward >> any of the existing grants on set out
here at the moment or if they're at all we have kind of a long window on holes and we're just trying to >> only the brick is the one that I'm aware of or worried about. Now, Healey said that that had been pulled. >> Yeah.
>> Had it. Yeah. There technically it's not pulled. It just expires April 27th. >> But no, she said she said that the federal government had pulled back and it included the 4.7 or 4.8 for
Manchester for the Culver. >> Yeah. It's not really that's not really accurate, right? Okay. Recently, I heard the federal uh the federal courts um they lost the lawsuit. The president lost the lawsuit and they had to restore
the funding >> that was already approved. >> So, but I don't know how that trickles to brick, but one thought on the electric services. I looked at that bridge in 2016 and it wasn't so bad. And since they put that main line in, I've
seen a lot of cracks opening up and I don't know if we can get them to help fund any part of >> repairing. No grid. >> Yeah. Well, whoever put that line, right? >> You know, the that does mess up masonry arches when you put a trench in the fill
like that. >> I think Yeah, I think we'll obviously lean on that >> a little bit >> if and when we get there. Yeah, it's a trump card. Maybe >> the other >> try try to lean on that as hard as we can. >> The other thing I was thinking about the
channel behind there is rather than have a swamp, it might behoove us to have, you know, the guy that wants all the commercial stuff, put a parking lot there and just extend the chance. >> That's really not for us to discuss in a finance committee meeting. All we're
talking about right now is the application for a possible grant, not the actual project itself. >> I don't want us >> the the uh planning grants for >> projects >> the planning grant for 2.0. >> Uh
we'll we will get that. Yeah. >> Once we apply uh that's a two-year process, three phases. Two phases in year one, phase three uh phase three and year two. Um, you know, I think that the regional
approach makes a lot of sense for us. Um, and the fact that applying for it makes us eligible for the action grant as it really makes a lot of sense. Uh, standalone, you know, if we were just doing 2.0 on our own, I would I would
debate whether it's worth us moving forward maintaining our MVP status. Uh but given the need for a backup plan on the cover and the idea of this regional approach changes my perspective on that. >> And you feel that
with these other towns involved will get our fair share. >> I I do I talked to them and I also uh asked MVP we we had a meeting with the uh with the our regional rep there. um
there's no negative impact to the other communities signing on to this regional approach. They can still apply for action grants on their own. >> Okay. >> Uh they don't have to put up funds of their own. Um there may be some inind services for public education, things
like that. Uh but the grant will really pay for that. So it's um and I talked with uh Essex, Rockport and Glouester already just planting the seed and they all responded positively on it. So, okay.
>> And I just think that the state is even though maybe inaccurately aware of our situation, um I'm hoping that they see our expression and say, "Here's a great opportunity for
the state to come in and be the hero." >> Yeah. >> So, >> yeah. >> Anything else? That's a little off topic, but >> are we no are we are we worried about this thing failing because we've been
talking about that for a while and I my mother keeps asking, oh, when is the covert going to happen and she actually brought up a really interesting point. She said, you know, on Harbor Street when you go over the bridge, there's a sign there that says trucks of this weight not allowed over
bridge. Just bring this up. If we are like the camel's back here, is there anybody looking at this or is there anything we should be doing in anticipation of >> to prevent a failure? >> Yeah. I mean, if great big huge gas
truck is going to Seabbze to fill up their tanks, maybe we should have them go down school. I I don't know. This is all your department, but >> I I would like that I think is worth taking about that. >> See if we're all right. We probably we
may be doing that stuff. Oh >> already >> is that the Chuck >> Masdot inspects every year. >> Okay. >> So I think honestly the bigger concern is for me as a uh Riy side resident in
Beverly >> is that Masdot inspects and shuts it down. >> Okay. before a a failure and then you're dealing with a long-term closure. >> I'm dealing with this in Riy side with
the Hall Whitaker Bridge. Um and and that would be an even >> bigger impact to downtown and the abing properties. And so we want to try and get ahead of it before that happens. >> 107.
>> Yeah, >> that's my backup. It's frustrating that there's been no 10 years because that's what it needs. All right. Next. >> Okay. Next is preliminary fiscal year 26
capital request. Were you able to pull that together or not, Andrea? >> Yeah. So, >> so we've we've asked department heads to submit their capital requests. Yep. >> Uh they came in last week. Uh Andrea and
I have just touched the surface. Um I think that I'd like to have kind of a general discussion about it and um and also kind of process that you want to follow because since I'm new, I want to
make sure that I follow what you know you guys are comfortable with and what the select board's comfortable with. Um, but I'd be I have not gone through this in detail even with Andrea or with department
heads on an individual basis to a point where I feel like comfortable kind of putting everything out there as to what's been requested. >> So, um, so last year we did look at capital during the fall,
right? So, I'm wondering if maybe we could look at capital at our November meeting. Would that give you enough time? >> Yeah, that'd be great. That'd be great. to just kind of understand and to kind of talk a little bit about financing,
>> you know, opportunities and just kind of where we stand and just not as a final number just as to a starting point of saying, okay, >> do we have to whittle things down? >> Yeah, I think that that would be great.
Thank you. I can I can we can still uh introduce some of some of the topics that we that you can be ready for in November. >> Okay. >> Um >> PAS is the largest number that we're looking at.
>> Um we're required to make to meet standards uh by >> 27 >> 27 I think or 28. um you know that that's a $12 million
number. >> Y >> um we could, you know, you could run the risk of pushing it off and hoping that the feds change their standards and the state coincides with that and u
timelines get pushed out. But that's a really that's very risky. Well, and I'm not sure >> there's the appetite in town >> to delay it. >> Great. >> That's my sense. My sense is that
>> if PASS are dangerous, then I think people are kind of saying we should be fixing our problem. >> Yeah, absolutely. And but it is a large number compared to what we've put before the voters in the past. Um and that
large you know these types this large number uh the way I look at the upcoming next you know five to 10 years these large numbers are going to continue to surface year after year
>> and I think we need to >> generally I want to kind of get some guidance from the finance committee and the select >> um you as to how we want to approach these things so that Andrea and I can come forward with some recommendations.
You know, is it debt exclusion on an annual basis? Is it borrowing? you know, how are we going to are we tr it sounded like what you were talking about earlier that the general sense from the community has been ask us
when you need it and we're willing to provide rather than uh storing, you know, in a capital fund or something a capital stabilization type fund. So, it's it's >> and and I think last year
we worked on a 25-year plan of laying out all of the capital amounts and it was done in a we didn't spend a lot of time on it, but Greg had laid it out in a way where no one year would have a
huge hit on the tax rate. Um, I think there were a couple of years at the beginning where there was a hit, but then so I think we need to look at that again too and just and I'm sure things have changed, but if we just look at that and where that was coming from
because I I think that part of what we were trying to do is replace rolled off debt. So in 32 school comes off you know. So I think
that there >> was maintaining >> yeah that that I think that we felt there was some opportunity to not increase substantially the amount of debt um that we were able to replace what was rolling off. Um, and we've been
using >> capital cash cash capital exclusions to kind of fill in that void where debt has gone down and so that we then would have that I think it's 660 in capital exclusion
money which is 2% on the tax rate which go could go towards debt you know which might help some on those capital >> to have it in there because you can keep rolling it over That's not an increase, >> right? >> Yeah.
>> So, I think what we got to do is >> Yeah. >> take a closer look because the timing of that >> the timing doesn't perfectly line up to when that debt rolls off compared to the needs and some of the requirements that are in front of us,
>> right? And uh if we borrow between now and then that debt service is going to grow opposite of what has been happening in the past where it's been decreasing. So it going to it's going to create without
you know the going the exclusion route it'll create additional burden on the general >> well and I think that's what this 25-y year plan did is I think that it was like one and a half% I think increase in one or two years and then it would level
off >> as as you said Sarah I mean there was there was a lot that you could probably poke holes in that 25 year model but it was at least kind of playing stuff out and I think it'd be useful to sort of resurrect correct that and it refine it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I think this plan is really
important and it's not cast in stone. But, you know, rough rough rough numbers, 25 years, we're looking at close to 200 million. >> And the big ticket items on there, of course, Essex Elementary, PAS, hardening the septic treatment plant down here,
discussions about BPW building and maybe fire station and public safety. So, you know, when you add those things together right there, you're north of a hundred million. >> So, I think waiting for something to pop up and bringing it to the voters, I
think we really need to look at that 25 year plan and say, okay, maybe this project needs to actually wait four years. It's it's a need, but it's just got to slip because taxpayers aren't going to want to have this hit now. So
that's I think the long look. It's not cast in stone, but we we do need a sense of when are we going to try and do this, when are we going to try and do that. I think we can fit it all together. It's just we got to be >> systematic and clever about it.
>> Yeah. So and exactly and that's uh kind of the guidance I'm looking for as to what you you know you all know the community far better than I do at this point. Um and so understanding, you know, what the approach should be
and kind of looking further out because, you know, when we if we're if we're talking about 15 million in capital this year and then next year we're talking about another large amount and the next year another large amount. Eventually
the the taxpayers are going to say, you know, wait a minute, >> but that's not what we did in our plan. I mean, we we had it spread out in a way that it wasn't >> the plan was really good and with the one exception of I don't think it had dredging in it. >> The dredging was kind of like oh harbor
fees will cover that and but you know that's like 7 million every eight years or something like that or 10 or 12 years. So it wasn't a huge error bar but the layout of it was you can pull it up. It was the facility financing plan.
>> Andrea. >> Yeah, the facility financing plan. The last one I have is version four from 3325. >> Yeah. >> Want me to see anything says version two. >> I've got version four. >> Okay.
So the way I see it is um for the we did that $7.5 million bond two years ago that was pretty went no opposition. We had earmarked things for it and you know I don't think we're through it all yet. In fact it's
probably halfway but >> so it hasn't all hit the tax rate but >> the project and the funding you know it seemed to be well received. Mhm. >> So, you know, I'm thinking every other year we're probably going to have to start doubling the bond. So, I'm I'm
thinking we're going to have to bond. >> I think we need to go back and look at this plan that we worked on last year, right? >> Instead of, you know, >> I think that's in the plan, but yes, >> where we need to tweak it and and I'll send this version four.
>> Yes. >> To Andrea. >> Okay. >> Yeah. We'll discuss this in November. Does that make sense? >> Yeah. Do >> you want to trigger the school projects
and we hold up debt for the high school? So, we're not trying to cover three schools simultaneously. >> So, that's an adjustment we have to make, I think, in the plan because the elementary school process seems to be coming in sooner than what was expected
probably when, >> right? It was hoped. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, that's what I'm saying is like that that visual approach of >> waiting for that high school debt to come off, >> right? >> That timeline isn't exactly that needs
to be adjusted, I think, and how that impacts our capital planning on an annual basis is where I'm hoping we can have that discussion so I can have a better feel for what you know to bring forward. Um so PAS is definitely one of
the big items that was requested. Um dredging is uh an item on there as well. Um and design uh for the DPW or public safety uh facility uh is likely
something on there as well. Uh we have we have about 800 something thousand uh currently that can go towards that design but expect design to cost somewhere around 1.5 or maybe a little bit more. Um so we
figure out what that amount is. >> Uh I don't know necess I wouldn't say that necessarily we would be designing in the upcoming fiscal year. Um we have a long way to go. But I think it would be appropriate to ask for the authority uh come springtime
so that if we can get into that phase in the next fiscal year, we have it. >> And and I think that's what we need to discuss because one of our sore points is the DPW is always asking for money in advance and we don't want to be funding in our
tax rate something that maybe we'll get to. you know that if we're not going to be ready to do the design then we should wait a year. >> Have we determined where that would be built?
>> No. So there's there's been analysis for looking at the current site and then there's the facility planning committee which is now in process. Uh we're also looking at um the site the old compost site. >> Yeah. Um, you know, there's tradeoffs.
Um, so we're hoping that we get to direction as to which site we're going to, you know, look at. >> Yeah. >> Uh, I don't think it's going to take us until July of next year to make that decision, but I don't think we'll have
that decision by April of um, you know, town meeting. So that's why I think getting the authority not necessarily borrowing you know the funds or creating debt service but just getting the authority approved so that
if we are ready we can then move forward um instead of having to call for a special or waiting till the next town meeting. So what it sounds like a little bit is that maybe we need to get the planning board involved in updating the master plan to try to sort out
>> the planning board. >> Why is it zoning? >> Okay. Well, who's the master plan? >> We have the facilities committee. >> Okay. >> Which supposed to be determining when these projects are coming online.
>> Okay. And I think that we can, >> but this is like master plan stuff that it seems like we're rethinking, doesn't it? >> I think we can discuss this in November. >> Yeah. >> I I think this meeting is going on long enough. I think we need to look back at
the >> Chuck, do you have something quick to contribute? >> Yeah, I'll just give it two quick seconds. Uh the master plan does talk about these facilities, so that's already in there. And the facility master plan talks about these facilities. And so these are the plans that we are following that have been
approved and been presented to everybody. That's all. >> Thank you. >> Um and then just a couple other items I just want to highlight. Uh so we are applying for the SEC grant for the ratunda. Uh we should know about that in
the next month or two. >> Oh good. >> Um >> that's ready. That project's ready to go. Is that correct? >> The ratunda is ready to go. Okay. Uh there's the other projects um of similar nature that we have a
couple more permitting elements to go through and ideally you do all projects at the same time but font savings um which is the uh right down Chuck, what's the other great What's the
other uh project that we're hoping to combine with the Rotunda? Um, so there's Mors Pier floats, Reed Park floats, and the rotunda. Not sure. You mean just the the walkway type stuff
out to the rotunda? But that's all >> Thank you. Thanks, Chuck. Uh, if we don't receive the grant, we may want to apply to CPC for they can bond through CPC. So, we could we could take that
route on that. Um hopefully if you get the grant we don't have to uh go that route and then there's the uh color that we talked about. So those are those are
some of the big ticket items uh obviously there's much more capital but uh you know don't really trigger the need for a borrowing discussion hopefully or a debt exclusion discussion. Well, I think there is
concern about Tap and Bennett and Beach Streets. Um, we might want to consider those in the bond as well. >> Let us wait and discuss capital at our November meeting. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Not to say just just so you know
that not to say those aren't >> on the table. They just don't I was just highlighting some of the larger borrowing type or debt exclusion type discussions. Do you have any other financial updates for us, Tony? >> No.
>> Uh, no. Next. Just the budget timeline and meeting dates. I was just going to get into that discussion next. >> Okay. So, that's next on the agenda, the fiscal year 26 budget timeline and meeting dates. Uh, so we'll be asking for operating
requests um in the next week or two. Hopefully getting those back in early November. Um, if if possible, we'll be able to provide some sort of update on that uh at the
next at the November meeting as well. I just wanted to this was as we talk about timeline and meeting dates. This is what uh we had put together when there was chance of a special town meeting coming up. >> Um so this is an example of something
that we'll put together for you to just kind of highlight >> just kind of highlight the important dates that we need to keep in mind as as far as the process from start to finish. And the first page is a uh you know
working back from town meeting date. And then if you flip it over you get it in the chronological order. Uh so we'll put something like this together for you um as we plan out uh Andrea and I are going to plan out you know all these specific
key times uh for you know things that are required for a town meeting. Then also layering in here um your schedule and if there's any zoning you know how planning board might factor into that
too. Yeah, one of the things I would ask is that it's something we haven't done a good job on in the past and that is to take into consideration the due date that the fin report has to get to the printer
>> and to have cut off deadlines >> for every decision to be made regarding the budget at least two weeks two or three weeks before that. >> Exactly. Because what's been happening is >> last minute >> last minute and it puts an enormous amount of pressure on us because it
changes all of the numbers. And it's it's not just um you know it's not just the select board approving the budget. It's the school presenting us with the budget to be approved. Um,
>> you know, because last year they were very late and last year there were a lot of stuff stuff that came in late. I don't remember what it was, but right, aren't I right, Ann? >> Always right. >> No, there's there's a lot of proof reading and a lot of holes and gaps that
generally were filled in in the last like 18 hours before going to press, >> right? I'm not sure we even were able to see some of the graphs and stuff because those were probably created like absolute >> minutes before the PDF sent because I would be able to get it to Andrea.
>> Yeah. >> More than one day before the printing date, >> right, Andrea? I'm used to a May town meeting and the fincom, you know, meeting with the fincom to talk about some of these
things wouldn't happen until January and it would be an extremely intense, stressful process of getting through everything. Um, so this is great that we're already starting this process and yeah, what I would do typically for
them is backdate from the date that the report's going to go to the printer, >> right? Yeah. >> Which includes the timeline for them to print and deliver. Um, you know, >> right?
>> We had to deliver to households. We don't have to do that. >> Yes, we do. >> We do. income report has to go to households >> and it used to be done by the Boy Scouts and it doesn't anymore. So, it's done via US. >> Okay. >> Mail, which adds a little bit of time.
>> So, >> yeah. And budget. >> Yeah. And and depending on what the general bylaw says as to what exactly you have to include in that uh we you know there's to save some costs we could
do uh you know what's required and then push people through QR code to go to the website for more information if you want to limit how many pages are in that report talk about that >> the fin annual report includes the warrant and that's what we tell people
to bring to town meeting. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And it's long. >> Yeah. >> But >> there could be ways to >> but we don't have a good result sending people via QR codes. >> No. And I and I and I I think
>> over a great tool to get people educated on what is coming before them at town meeting >> and to refer to it when you're speaking at town meeting so you don't have to reiterate this stuff. >> You only have two minutes. you're selling your life away or what
mind leading up to town meeting we I would hold a few informational sessions. Uh I plan to do that here as well for those who want to get some information or ask questions before they go to town meeting. Um,
and one of the adjustments I have to make too here is I I am trained uh that I bring my recommended budget to the select board for approval first before going to the finance committee. The
tradition here is that it goes to the finance committee and then the select board. I did see in last year's process that that provided for some lastm minute, you know, unknowns at the select board
level. So, I'm going to try to find a hybrid approach of making sure that the select board is informed and okaying the things that I'm recommending and bringing to you so that it's not a surprise to them at the end of the process causing delay. So, I'm going to
try and figure out a better way >> uh to do that as well. >> Um when what I can get this from you another time, but you meet on a monthly basis from now until a certain point and then I assume you meet a little bit more
often >> starting right after the new yearly and it's going to be Thursdays. I think we've agreed to be Thursdays. >> Okay. So, I'll include that. And so we schedule weekly meetings
and the first meeting we kind of go through the budget and kind of determine on what dates we're going to do each segment. >> So people can be prepared >> police for firep
together. >> The challenge is a school. >> They they kind of run on their own. later >> and they they don't often reveal the final information although we have a pretty good heads up on it until the school committee votes and then it goes
to both towns and that pushes out on the printing date that that becomes a little bit of a challenge. Well, being aware of that ahead of time helps know. >> Last year, they did, as far as I'm concerned, they did not follow the dates
>> that are in the agreement. >> Okay. >> They have a date by which they have to have the final budget and they did not complete it by >> I'll take a look at that. >> They did, but Essex didn't accept it. Let's go back
final vote. Big budget items like school and stuff like that are printed in this dates in the agreement are based on our having >> the agreement wasn't changed. >> If you're doing anything out of the ordinary, it's
>> in their defense. They brought the >> um health insurance down >> checked >> a lot >> in the last few weeks, >> right? >> And yes, we could have gone with the old number and and
>> I know it's a challenge. >> So, I'll take a look at that agreement. Um, and then uh Ann and I Ann's introducing me to the superintendent over there and this and
the school committee and um it'll be something I can >> a number crashing >> 1024, right? Yeah, that's a very early start on on what can be done with the budget. >> It was 10:30, but
8:30. >> It's 8:30. >> 8:30 in the morning. >> I think that was one of the 8:30 days. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's an 8. It's an 8:30, but it's the date is >> different day. >> I think the date.
>> Yeah. >> M24 is the day before Halloween. >> I don't >> um what's next? >> We also have uh under that same time, we we have some contract negotiations that were that are coming do at the end of
this year. Um, so we'll have to be mindful about how we fill in those numbers, >> right? >> Um, and then there's other stuff like the Harbor Advisory Committee has been talking about whether that we should
explore an enterprise account. um when we have those discussions and how that factors into the other things that we may be considering for a spring town meeting or things we'll want to lump in and make time for.
>> Can you let us know what contract negotiations are? >> Uh fire, clerical, not police. >> It's everything but police, right? >> Yeah. DPW clerical and uh fire.
>> Okay. believe one more year. >> It all starts around January. >> Yeah, hopefully sooner. >> Okay, >> Andy wants me to move along. >> Okay, we all >> Next up is Andy just giving us an update
on the facilities planning committee and the school building committee. Sure. So, um we've we've had a few meetings uh that Chuck and Nate have pulled together and some of those have been field trips where we went to look at the uh Essex uh
public safety building and a couple that I couldn't go to Rockport DPW and Newbury Port DPW just trying to give the group a flavor for what's happening on other municipal projects. And then we've also talked about uh and had I think there was a field trip out to the school
street uh site and uh and so we're kind of getting closer to having more substantive conversations about um about what those options are. And along the way, you know, just kind of considering
um other other sites, you know, the obviously the existing uh DVW site uh you know, still hasn't been decided what the plan is there. We have had discussions about um all these things in relation to the master plan that had
been conducted. Uh so how does how does all that stuff look? And um along the way there's also uh other discussions about other uh assets in town uh and other projects in town including the
Lincoln Street Well uh and the PAS project that's contemplated there and what does that look like and um what is the planning for that look like? um harbor master facilitywelcome center council on aging bath house at
sing beach the library etc etc etc um so that's that's kind of roundly kind of where we are you know no decisions or recommendations made >> how frequently you meeting >> um every other what is it every other
week Chuck at this point or he's he's got a he's got a Thursday meeting scheduled Well, I think we've got these weekly meetings set up actually now. >> Yeah, it was every other week when we were kind of doing the tour thing, but now, you know, at least for October, we're doing every month. And we'll see
when we get to the October what people, you know, their appetite is for November. But as long as people are attending and we keep it tight, I'd like to keep it weekly for a while. >> Great. Yeah. Good to keep some flow going. Um, and then while I've got your attention, just uh relative to the
school building committee for Essex Elementary, uh, we've gotten into a bit of a flow of meetings. So, we have the project, the uh, owner's project manager that's been hired and also now the architect that's been hired. It's the same architect that is the Memorial
Project, JCJ Architects. Um roughly speaking, so we're in this feasibility phase which for which there are three uh there's three sections to feasibility. There's a preliminary design phase.
there's a preferred schematic phase where you kind of really kind of target a recommended pathway and then based on MSBA's approval of that recommended pathway you uh start to flush that out during schematic design and that's what
ultimately forms the budget of the project that would be considered by each community and so those are kind of coming together such that schematic design would be complete around October of 2026
with a vote for November of 2026 and construction would likely be, you know, probably three years or so. >> So, would we have to have a special town meeting to vote on it in November 26 rather than wait until the April 27th >> in that case? Yes. Okay. It quite often
kind of targets that kind of timing. >> Okay. Um they they're they're looking at different sites. I think maybe you've heard about the Apple Street site as an alternative. It doesn't seem to have a lot of favor because it's got a lot of
costs and considerations going against it. Um, and then one of the things that was part of the application process with the MSBA was also looking at the Memorial School and what does it look like for the demographics of for
the student size, student body size for that class relative to Essex and you know what would look like to absorb both at one school which is not an overly popular idea. more like how can we complement each other >> or split them
>> so that so that >> some grades yeah exactly so I have like K through three and Essex and you know four and five go >> and the funding's okay that 660 is there any pressure on
>> six >> we haven't even paid it yet >> oh okay >> oh for the for this preliminary >> yeah I think voted >> for I think we're we're on budget for what's been considered uh good. So >> no surprises. >> Yep. Yep. Uh the ultimate project budget
that's a different struggle. Okay. >> So ultimately people would be voting on this a year from this November. >> Yes. >> And it would start to hit the tax
numbers in a real way in 2027. It would begin to begin that kind of sequential borrowing made last time. It's like a threeyear. It's like a two-year with the bands or whatever starting >> and and I think the payment doesn't happen until project.
>> Yep. So 27 28 and a big hit 29. >> So 2013. >> Yep. Okay. >> So close a little bit of overlap with the middle high school. >> Yeah. >> That's falling off pretty fast.
Okay, that it that's it. >> Thanks. >> Do you have any brief update? >> Um, >> very brief. So, the CPC, we um had a meeting in September. Uh, very little in
the kitty. There's like 50,000 left. Um, we opened the season for more applications. The match is around 16% this year. my big we were going through projects and no one had any information on the bath house painting job. Does anyone
know is that plan to go this fall or in the spring or >> I was supposed to get back to him. >> It was painted this past year. >> There you go. >> Okay. So maybe it's already spent finished. I don't know. I didn't
>> I believe there's still addition. I mean, I don't I think they >> the inside was painted, not the outside, >> right? >> What's the project? The inside or the outside? >> It was I thought it was the interior. Yeah, I think it was more
it was it was the idea was a more extensive uh project >> help >> and they that's what we >> but they they kind of changed course cleaned it up and painted the interior and now I think want to use some of the
remaining amount to go towards um a deeper dive look at what the future of the bath house might be >> and that's that's that's also something that's part of the discussion for the facilities plan. >> Okay. So, I can give that update
Thursday as we have a CPC meeting. Thanks. >> Um, so that then the DPW um Chuck, I'm glad you're on the line because I lost my notes. I'm still looking I'm redecorating my house,
>> but uh I can go over Pleasant Old Essex is pretty much done. There was an issue with the gas line at Old Essex. So, they're going to hold on paving that whether the gas line has to do work or not and a moratorum. They're still deciding on that. Um, Forest Mill is
going on now. That's 100% grant funded. So, it's kind of um the Rotunda, as you know, is no CMZ grant. Um, and we're going to discuss the CPC bonding maybe
or there's this other SEC grant. Um, the library windows was a good um they cut down the scope so there was a lot less than they had to do. Um, right now the big push uh the the generator's
working, the the sump pump is working. So, um, right now the big push is on the ADA bathroom design, and that might be another, uh, construction capital request coming down the road to fund
that construction. Um, let's see. uh harbor the the permitting is going on um with now what we thought was the reed park expansion along the railroad
tracks. Not we didn't really talk about the fisherman facility but um the request was trying to avoid Reed Park to go along the railroad embankment with these force veins if we could because you know force veins on a
floating dock system as a maintenance uh time bomb for our small harbor really. Anyway, seven tapen street the design is proceeding. They're going to plan to do soup to nuts with they said that the sewer needs replacing the the
water um drainage sidewalks um and that they were going for FY27. It's about 4 million. Um I made a comment to try to look at maybe raising the streets 3 in uh by Beach Street as a start to sea
level rise. um we're not going to save property but we do want to provide access in a flood and every inch you can raise the roads is you know anyway so that was happen um sewage plant design is proceeding the
clarifiers were very expensive and they're looking to tailor the scope to the budget that they have basically the electrical mechanical stuff um processed water and the clarifiers Um PAS we
talked about um water meters are ramping up. Everything's going well and that's on on track. It's going to also involve um lead pipe inspections and sump pump inspections um when they do it. Let's
see the site design. most of the work is complete that they can do and now they're in the evaluation phase with whether to put the public safety building up there or down below or how to you know that. So that's facilities.
Um there was some additional money that came in our annual roadway grants. >> There was like another 50% came in but I think that's going to get absorbed up pretty quickly. Um,
>> okay. Thank you. Any other wheels on? I met with the fire chief, which is one of the advanced stuff. >> Yes, Andrea. >> Just want to know yesterday that we just got our ninth award for our financial statements. >> Fantastic.
>> Nervous. >> It's great. Nice job. >> Great job. detail. Hey, >> I couldn't do it with all the department heads because it's a whole team effort. So, really appreciate. >> So, that's the ninth one, >> ninth one. >> Yesterday, frankly,
>> I know it seems like we just started. God, we've been here too long. Morish. >> Um, uh, next item is to approve the July minutes. Gail sent those. Oops. Yesterday she sent out
minutes from July 16th. People have a chance to look at those. >> I did. >> Move to approve. >> Oops. Who second it? >> Andy. >> Andy seconds. >> All in favor? >> I.
>> Thank you. Um, I was going to tell people that, um, I did go out and recruit somebody for the finance committee. Um, has not yet been appointed, but it's John Croft who was
on the finance committee quite a few years ago. Had to twist his arm a little bit. >> Nice job. >> Good. Um, our next meeting we've been doing
third Wednesday would like to switch to Thursday, November 20th. Thursday, November 20th. Does that work? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, so
>> third Wednesday, >> Thursday, Thursday. >> Third Thursday. >> We switched from Wednesday to Thursday. >> Yep. >> So, our next meeting would be November 20th. Um, looks like Yeah, we have capital and we
have the fiscal year 26 budget timeline >> and the launch service. quarter one report >> and the quarter one report. >> Anything else? Uh we'll as part of that capital we'll
probably by then have a better idea of uh the senior center >> where we met with ECCF the other day just kind of figuring out how the
process needs to work regarding them doing the fundraising and how they distribute the funds to the town and is it reimbursement you know all those types of things. So hopefully we'll have some >> that's going to be a painful discussion. >> Um okay,
any other business? Anything else anybody would like to raise? Um I'll take a motion to adjourn. >> Soy Andy moves. Mory seconds. All in favor? I >> Okay.
See, it's not 9:30 yet. >> No, it's not. We We We should strive for 9. >> Yes. >> You are absolutely the best. >> Very good. Not bad.
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