2 p.m. on Wednesday February 19th and I will call the finance committee meeting to order this is a hybrid meeting that is recorded um I have with me in the room from the finance committee Dean nadis Dar
Morris myy Katon Andy olderman myself Sarah melish the chair and on Zoom um we have Tom Parkins I expect P Twi to join us momentarily um from the from the town in
the room we have Greg federspiel um Andrea mville and Jennifer Yas did I pronounce it right and from the affordable housing trust we have John
furbot um we have a number of people on Zoom um including Jack Burke from CPC okay so the first item on the agenda
is to discuss and approve the fiscal year 26 CPC projects I believe everyone has received that spreadsheet um so the affordable housing trust has
asked to say a few words on the CPC list there is a $200,000 item for the affordable housing trust so since John's visiting us let's can we start with that sure okay John if you want to have a few words you'd like to say go ahead thank you madam chair
Sarah um Sarah as everyone knows is the fincom representative the affordable housing trust and um I'm I'm here because um gar has traded emails with us I sped
to Gar and um I I got word that the incom meeting was tonight and you guys were going to discuss the um CPA I believe it's approved for 200,000 to the affordable housing trust so that would be a great opportunity for me to come here to talk about some of the things
that we've been we've been doing in the last year um emphasize the importance of fincom support of CPA allotments to the aht and then take on any questions that you you
have um I think you all know our main initiative has been working with the housing authority to try to get the project for Newport Park the planes and loading place off the ground combination of new units as well as possible rehab
um we've met with the planning board in the summer and then we met most recently in December to note the main issue we have on that project us to do with not having access to Pleasant Street you
guys might remember in 2018 2019 when we moved as the affordable housing trust with the mha it was sort of understood that the Pleasant Street property would be included in any RFP and that was attractive to a developer because it was
it could have provided unimpeded maybe 30 new units of housing whereas Newport Street there's some questions about lot line and developable space the planes um somewhat similar loading place we really got anything so the developer who worked
with us at a proof of concept thought that the Pleasant Street would be the most valuable to enhance the land that we have um um what we've found out is you guys know better than me uh there's competing interests for that for the the
Pleasant Street property um but we meant to the planning to the select board in the summer and in December that absent that the it it's a difficult plan for us we think we have some um possibility
at Newport one of the nice achievements we had was we met with Steve gang from the the con concom a couple months ago walked the site and we felt all agreed that there's a spot that we think we could loc at a building there um but it's still problematic so we left that
with the select board in December there's anything you can do we can make that land available it would improve the reasonableness and the rationality of our development plan that being said we've been working on other things most recently we've had two executive
sessions that have focused on two properties in in town one has gotten to the point where we we've actually commissioned an appraisal because we felt like we're getting close enough yesterday we met with one development entity who's interested in that property
um um also yesterday we met with owners of large property in town to continue our conversation with a possible conveyance they're not ready right now but I'm very confident that they understand our mission it's almost like
to have a shared Mission so that at the point where they reach the point of conveyance of willingness to sell we will be included first so we're we're encouraged about that and there's two other situations where we're in Con in
contact with developers one's a local CDC um that has got some development plans and they see us as a source for one just um development expertise Community process but also for the funds that we have that have been provided by
c um so I I think we have four initiatives that could draw Upon Our resources that we have in the bank I believe we have approximately 1.5 1.6 when we were formed in 20 2016 the big issue is we had zero so even though we were meeting
as a committee and people were saying what are you doing well we we we really couldn't do anything because we didn't we didn't have anything now we have a I think we're at a point where we could be a viable player um but it's important to continue the the CPA improvements
because when I talk to developers most recently Harbor Lights and Northshore CDC when they talk about acquisition the first thing they say to us is can you help us with acquisition um so I think we can run through our money very quickly I think
there's sources for a Massachusetts CDC to draw other than our funds I think our funds are important for backend subsidy um nonprofits can go to a state community community development assistance core that provides
predevelopment fund but our funds could be very important for backend subsidy that would be combined with State funding for either rental um home ownership funding we're not a Gateway City so Mass housing which is the only entity in the state through the
Commonwealth Builder program that provides home ownership funding they don't they don't run it through um the North Shore we're working to meet with our state representatives to make a case that it's very very important have that that would be really important but if we
don't we would have to step in and we're looking at probably $300,000 per unit for affordable for affordable home ownership unit just because the costs are are higher than the sales price that we would do
um another activity that we we just finished this past week is we've um done a final application to the state for the powderhouse units you might
recall the purchase was done a couple years ago the to town put an application in there was transition at Northshore CDC there was staff transition here it sort of got lost within the last couple of months we've redoubled our efforts with Northshore CDC to the point where
this past Monday um the town has resubmitted to the state we got an email just the other day from the state saying it's under review so we got our fingers crossed that those 28 or 29 units could once approved become part of the sh
Shi um last but not least we were one of the first affordable housing trusts in Massachusetts to have a mortgage and rent relief program at the onset of covid we just I just say because we closed it up um earlier this year what
we helped approximately um I think it was 40 48 households $178,000 of assistance about a h 100,000 of that was through an anonymous donor the balance was from our funds and it
was in the spirit of supporting Town's people who may had reduced hours or maybe they were laid off or they had issues meeting at lease payments or mortgage so we we helped a number of families but at the same time I think we
thought as a committee we're also helping landlords who would have otherwise maybe would have lost that lease payment so the CP M CPA money is important for the affordable housing trust we meet monthly we're a very
active [Music] entity and we do have some things in a hopper it's just you've heard probably talked about town development opportunities in town are limited vacant land limited vacon
buildings limited we don't see developers coming in to say we have this property we're going to develop it we are available for that but it's just that the options are few but we do have two that we've met in executive session we're hopeful on one we did the
appraisal on it and then we have two others that um would rely on the the the funding we have in the continued funding so that that's that's that's it in a nutshell than so um I remember a few years ago
discussing about an adjacent property at loading place is that one of the two properties that you're referring you know Dean we looked no it's not okay that that was one that came up it was a private and there was some I think was some title issues there was a cloud in the title um it never went anywhere because there's some water issues back
there and no it's it's not one of yeah um has there any thought gone to that strip of land between M Street and the the um golf course there's a
straight away with quite a strip of P land in there it's kind of adjacent to the Loading plate I don't know if anyone's looked at if there's an environmental reason so if you go down forest and then you take the left on M
it's basically on the left on the left for like up to that bridge it's quite a a lot of land but I don't know if yeah the trees and then the what the 13th hole or whatever something like that yeah we haven't
looked at that um we're all we're we're open for anything yeah um I'm I'm just curious how that would go given the how it's isolated Pro imity to the golf course I don't know what I know there's issues
but it's kind of in the vicinity of the loading yeah no I hear you I I I thank you for um you know we we in early on we met with all of the property owners of apartments in town just introduce
ourselves and also to say we want to work with you is there any units that you can convert to Portable would put money in and put get a deed restriction on so we're we're really open to any developer I know gar
and I have talked on a number of occasions is trying to figure out what who are who are developers or Property Owners we can work with are there are properties that we could identify to to
intervene anyone else have any questions John well I just like to say I know John you have the best of intentions and your committee members have expressed completely their support
of the mission the affordable housing you've been in business six years you have a million and a half dollars for our taxpayers money in the bank you produce zero I think that that it's
time to pay the piper in other words you need to decide whether you're the group that can get this done or whether you need to go back to the selectman or other people and say
we're trying but it's not happening we need some help we need other people on this committee because honestly six years a million and a half dollars very good
intention and capable people in other Realms but it's hard to give you another couple hundred thousand my old business experience is when somebody's not fulfilling the job description you don't give them a
raise you're asking for a raise I find it hard to justify arise even though gosh if you had 20 million in the bank wouldn't you be better off wouldn't you be able to fulfill your maybe but you know we don't have 20
million to give you so I I suggest that we reward you with our thanks and you know our our our feeling that you you know have to the best of your ability
fulfilled it but I think I think it's time to let somebody else do this because it hasn't happened I'm open to suggestion it has happened I I did make a suggestion to the select board that they
reconsider um the membership being so heavily weighted from members of existing board to my understanding it was on the agenda for Tuesday night I I wasn't able to attend so I don't know if there was any type of discussion
there wasn't um so so it requireed a bylaw change um we need to check with State statutes as well we replicated composition that state law provides we need to do a little more research in terms of what flexibility you
have on that certainly you could add more at large members um I don't know if you can change from from different boards being represented and again I'm I'm not criticizing the
people the people are great I know I think all of them they're all wonderful people but uh if we just look at the results and look at the time you know what are we supposed to do here a couple
comments the first three or four years we we didn't have any resources so we even if we had an opportunity we wouldn't have been able to uh intervene I always think of the analogy you know we all love the Red Sox spring training
you want them to do the best you send the Red Sox down to Winter Haven whatever without bats and balls or any equipment yet you expect them to play well to us in like the first three or four years of the trust we didn't have funds so we couldn't intervene now that
we do have money we real estate is a difficult business you know that um it's not for the impatient you it it takes time to find an opportunity assess it work
and so um we're we're at a better point now yes we don't have anything but I I would say three the first three years is like moot so it's really um we're we're positioned now to be in a better place 1.5 million as I mentioned it's 300,000
per unit for an affordable home ownership unit we could go through that in a snap why I say it's important to continue the funding at 200,000 is it could go so quickly and I don't want the affordable housing trust to be back to
zero because then we're wasting another three or four years getting to a point where we have sufficient funds to be a player when maybe another developer comes to us and is looking for support right now we have some opportunities to
to engage on M multiple levels stopping funding right now at 1.5 it seems like a lot of money but in the in the field of affordable housing where we would be combining our funds with the state it it it it it really goes quite
quickly it's not going anywhere it's in an account the town will get a return it it's just it it does take time as I've indicated we we do have some things that are in the work right now I'm going to I'm going to just I'll stop but let me
just say this about two months ago I pointed out to a member of your committee that there was a 2un building on Morse Court not nothing to do with me that was for sale it's for sale from a million dollar or 950
something like that it could have been bought for for 950 you could you had you know a million three in the bank you could have bought that unit converted those two units to Affordable
refinance the project and gotten back half your bait okay half say 400 500,000 you would have ended up with $400,000 or 500,000 in the project and you'd have two units that would be two families and
if they each have two kids who are between the age of seven and 13 who are in a not great school system could be moved to the Manchester School and so you in your wisdom chose not to pursue
that and there are four kids that are not getting the better education so I burden you not you personally but you the affordable housing trust with your
unwillingness to step up to the to the bat if you're talking about Winter Haven and if you I'm sorry I I'll stop I I think think that one thing you're forgetting in this discussion is that
the trust cannot act like an individual development we have to protect the funds to the town so so the trust does not have the flexibility that you might have or
somebody else might have and we need to partner with a developer when we go to purchase something because the cost to rehab something in order to qualify to go on to the Shi has a lot of requirements I know it
well and and so I think that's one of the challenges I think you lack imagination Sarah I don't like your excuses I don't like your excuses there are plenty of developers I met with Ed flamia three days ago to talk about the
downtown I know Denny Hall I know Chris Collins I know you know who else you God the half the money in this town is real estate developers oh I'm not questioning that we you could reach out how many how many people have you reached out how many how many developers in town have
you said hey we need help this sounds this sounds like good discussion for an affordable housing trust meeting well they canel last night's meeting I know but I think we're a little bit beyond our our here I agree um I was curious uh
John uh when you reference the Pleasant Street uh properties um if it goes in favor of being available to for affordable housing um chances are that's at best a few years out you know given the
timeline of the possible uh PW project how does that then look for or using that property for that purpose it's something that we would have to phase right now we're
contemplating doing final touchup on a request for proposal for Newport the planes and loading place there's still a couple items we need to um update so to speak when we put out a request for proposal what we did in the
last request for proposal was we identified the Pleasant Street said it's up in the air and when it were to come forward and it if it were to come forward as housing we could then include it in another so it would be almost like
a second phase and I think the other thing is is that Newport Park was included in MBTA zoning allowing a little more height because the first RFP people wouldn't bid on it because they
didn't feel Manchester would accept higher height and they needed it to make it financially feasible so so that's one of the reasons that that was included is but they could start
renovation of existing as long as they had the knew that the other piece was going to be included it's all based on a number of units they can build but we're told more I have a question it's probably more for Greg
um the funding of this comes from CPC which is limited use open space historic preservation whatever if the funds were not used for this within the CPC envelope where else would they
go if they weren't used they would just be bank and available for future CPC project right and so that would be I mean I know we have to do a certain amount for affordable and whatever but if they
weren't used would they be for example put toward destruction or historic preservation in a big number in the future it would be whatever projects come before CPC
right on by application basis and I don't think their doors being knocked down with new applications that's that's sort of where I'm going with this because I will say as a committee we fight pretty hard to just sort of keep you know Reserves at a manageable level
and and essentially not be stockpiling taxpayer money um you know and I think we think long and hard about capital projects stretch from year to year to year and we think you know we all approve of a fire engine fund and things like that but generally
speaking you know if we're taxing people we want to be using those funds for something so I I'm hearing what you're saying here car and just trying to figure out if there's another way within the CPC envelope that's sort how we well I have a suggestion like so there's
a second component in the CPC for an update required housing production plan going to be under March so maybe you know part of that task can be trying to jumpstart process of portable housing
identifying um the other thing on approving the 200,000 now is you know building this Kitty is the only thing that we've been able to show for Progress for the state you know that is the one thing that we do show as
progress is um and then just it may affect from a finance perspective it might have an effect on our ability to bond a bigger project bigger AR Kitty so those are some reasons to continue it no we're
not okay are we finish discussing this component okay okay thanks John thank you everyone you're welcome to stay but you're also welcome to leave we don't like to I use those same terms when I'm the chair of our meeting
affable Housing Trust and someone comes in and I'm gonna follow what my peers have done thanks thank you for your great work and service to the town appreciate thank okay
so are questions on other components on this these proposed CPC project we have the singing Beach bath house upgrades for 50,000 I'm wondering what's going to be done are you on
Jack good evening everybody Jack Burke from the CPC um um the the bath house is in tremendous need of painting the interior uh there are lot lot of complaints last year from residents and I went down in the fall with Cheryl
Marshall and I found uh the condition to be in great need and we talked about uh some bathroom fixtures and a PO washing and a cleaning uh to be done before Memorial Day and that's what that that
uh proposal is for other questions we just ask about the historic Street lamps 80,000 it wasn't approved it was determined not to be allowed and why was that
um Jack why was it not not all um yeah um uh when originally uh they uh the group came to us uh wanting to put in historic uh Street lamps in the downtown I
thought it was a great idea uh but upon studying and talking to the state Coalition about that um we cannot um create a historical asset we can only repair existing ones so removing the Cobra lamps and
replacing them with a lookalike historic lamp is not an allowable CPA expenditure um has the the restoration and pre preservation of historic police photos been reviewed by the historic commission yet yes it
has and they approved uh the um that the pictures are important to the history and character of the town and we may use our funds for that one more question sure I see that our state match is 18%
is that um is that across the board to other communities as well or do they look at individual communities differently or how how no that that that's what every Community is expected to get this year as you know it started off at 100% in the year
2002 uh when and those of uh those cities and towns that chose to uh have a 3% sech charge like Rockport uh go to additional funding over the 100% And um we did get that one year
when a number of years ago when we did go to 3% for the denovan property but I won't belabor that uh but the 18% the answer to your question is it is projected for every city and town uh that has less than 3% search charge
those who have a 3% SE charge or more will get additional funds um Tom Parkins do you have any questions comments no I'm I'm just kind of taking it all in I guess for the you know back to the portable housing thing I hear
what what um gar is saying but I also I guess I'm feeling like it's kind of like bad time to abandon that so and I also agree that one and a half million is just not a lot that'll just get eaten up very quickly but other than that I'm taking in most of the other
conversation okay sure Sarah may make a comment on that from the chair CPC please yes uh the CPC voted unanimously to approve the the grant uh once again from the man affordable housing trust um
it is one of the three areas that we must participate in with CPA funds uh there's a minimum of 10% must be spent on each category however we as you know we can go more than that uh we studied the town
master plan closely and we and the in the CPC has a five-year plan and we had public hearings and the vast majority of people that came to our public hearings wanted most of the CPA money spent on
affordable housing we chose to not make a rigid number uh of 60 or 70% per year uh and chose to uh you know keep our options open every year and we feel that we're keeping uh in
line with what the people of this town want in continuing this uh this grant in town meeting has even with some heated debate I think you'll see that at least 80% of the people will vote to approve this at the April Town
Meeting thank you jck any more questions this a mechanical question in the fall town meeting we use CPC funds or the town approv CP These funds for open space does that fall on to this year or does that fall on to
25 that came out of last year's existing funds okay so the spreadsheet that you have there is showing that that money's already been spent so the 800,000 that we have available uh is after that
250,000 was spent thank you mam chair yes M short okay I am 100% in favor of affordable housing I am I am absolutely a supporter and I have taken out my checkbook and
made big commitment for affordable housing so I am in for favor of affordable housing but I'm also in favor of getting it done and that's my issue thank you sorry no
problem any more questions on these items rotunda 300,000 any questions on that people understand that needs help so that's that's the town match so we we
are okay applying for two grants totaling about $2 million so this will be added to those that grant funding is there a chance that I mean that we'll need more has the funding been secured or we don't have we don't bid numbers we
think those are that includes a contingency so we're hopeful that that is sufficient doesn't include but you never know until you get that actual quote from the contractor okay so let's
um take these votes in segments so the first segment is the open space and Recreation which has three items a total of 57 7,100 do I have a motion to approve the
do the easy stuff first um so for historic preservation we have a total of three9 390 yes because the 80 is not there okay total of 390 so I have a
motion to approve 390,000 for historic reservation to the CPC moves for a second any discussion um take a vote Dean yes scar
yes myy yes Andy yes Tom yes there votes yes Administration funds for 25,000 do I have a motion to approve the administration funds for 25,000 it's my understanding if they're not spent they go back into the pool I I move we
approve it g mov I have a second second Andy seconds any discussion take a vote Dean yes scar yes Mor yes Andy yes Tom yes Sarah vot yes
now we go down to community housing we have a total of 225,000 do we want to vote on this line by line I would like okay the first item is Manchester
affordable housing allocation for $200,000 do I have a motion to approve that I'll make that motion Andy moves to approve do I have a second I'll second Dean second I think we've had the
discussion I'll discussion I'll take a vote Dean yes SC no Mor yes Andy yes Tom yes and Sarah votes yes so that's a six one
vote um update required housing production plan for 25,000 do I have a motion to approve 25,000 I'll move moves so I have a second second Dean seconds any discussion take a vote Dean yes scar yes
myy yes Andy yes Tom yes and Sarah votes yes that's it right yes okay we're done with thank you everyone thanks Jack thanks Jack thank you a question on the um we approved the
25,000 but would Mark um would that be his time that he bills into that that it can come out of no it's for a consultant no be for you'd be hiring a consultant to help all
right goodby okay so now we move to back to discussion and approval of the fiscal year 26 Town Department operating budget and Peter never showed up no
something must have happened all right um so if I look through this PDF it looks like we're on page 13 Treasurer collector who happens to be here um did you have anything you wanted
to say Jennifer or you just here for question okay thank you um now I'm assuming so the other thing we have at the beginning of this PDF just so people remember is that the project
the estimated tax rate increase includes everything in this green column that says requested adjustments at the 2.25% tax increase
okay so I think that this was in that 43,000 line item under finance committee that we had removed and now it's in budget okay can we have one clarification on the um tax rate does that include the school budget approved
with a 10% Insurance yeah correct go and our insurance ALS oh I is still at 10 oh okay so we haven't upped our insurance to the 16 we have we have yes so we do at 16 is
it in here it is so it's just the school yeah okay so like you to raise it by a percentage right the school assing 27% increase which is what it's looking like because they are not receiving other
points um so they another $400,000 for our assessment not quite that's what this says it says
17,46 755 17 million versus 17 million 0711 so that would be 400 and about 400 Grand yeah which would be more than 1% I'm looking at what the school gave
me for the total budget increase is 7.59 which included the increase increase in the current the current quote they the the current providers increase in the health
insurance I'm I'm looking at what we had in the in the I'm looking at P what we have page 26 she's adjusted at to 170711 151
17471 17 476 755 that old one was the January 21st one and now this is the February
one sir you repeat that number 17746 17476 755 thank you for the operating assessment this is what looking at Great and this is the new
yeah and this is using the new eqv so the assessments change slightly because they've changed it they got the e eqv so this doesn't jive with the that Michelle has presented so there's this
is what Michelle and Pam right sent us but but in the the work setting yesterday with them they have slightly different figur but it's it's it will go up it'll go up it'll go
I think we'll be in the 3.5 range but it may be a little but the good news is nor Shore went down okay so we're back to page 13 treasur collector any questions can you explain the Sal
adjustment so there are sure there are two there they were both included as part of that L some um so for it's really a market rate adjustment compared to where we are with our
neighbors in terms of treasur treasure collectors and other communities and the L of service that J have provided to the to the town um so it was felt like that was well justify based on that and then the second adjustment is to instead of
having an assistant to the treasur you boost that up to a non-unit position of assistant Treasurer and is the person we have qualified to do that yes so this is part of the right overall
plan plan that was done my question like looking more one of the things that we need to do is have more redundancy right and rather than hire two cler this year can we hire one we're
not hiring anybody here in this budget this is an existing person well we're we're boosting what I'm thinking is can the the Town Clerk and the the treasurer have some sort of when and when Andre
has to go on vacation or something someone from the town clerk over versus when when the town clerk has to go on vacation someone from the treasury can cover like some kind of more redundancy and interaction to be more efficient we
we've already completed the town clerk's budget right and we added and that was planned and now we're doing the treasures budget there was nothing about extra service in the budget treasurer's budget is not
changing the number of hours for anybody in that budget it's merely changing the classification of the position to be from Union to nonunion and to
provide backup in the treasurer's office so that we have somebody more qualified to replace Jennifer when she's out right so right now because I don't have I
am I get so this should be so I can have legitimate backup um there are complic caring Personnel you need to bond in my office don't that of other phing or unnecessary that regard
fulltime assistant treasur collector is designed to kill my spot when I'm on vacation and I hers she doesn't come back while her work undone I keep the office going just she does more than capable for sure um I have not as I said
made her sign her or given her any other uh extens responsibilities liabilities over her what I I don't really feel a sign on should Bei so we're not adding two just adding
the one right this is not a new position we're not adding any position right we just made the the assistant town clerk from part-time to fulltime okay am I correct Greg so so overall if
you look at the whole budget um it it increases FTE by 1.5 okay so the part-time clerk goes to full-time in the clerk's office small small C clerk right right um in the clerk's office goes to
parttime to fulltime and then the other FTE is adding a new accounting cler as part of um moving Ania to a finance director position and able to U Better manage and oversee all Financial
operations treasure collector assessor accounting and then by by bringing in that county clerk frees up some of their time and Karen's time Karen picks up some of Andrew's work and the the accounting CL pies up some carage with
that was based on the audit correct so we found we were 40% under p and now we're just making up the difference for who which one are you talking about well we're going up the accounting department the 42 this is
Treasurer we're in the treasury Department not ACC County we've already finished accouny we're on Treasurer's Department well that's not if the PDF that she sent yesterday page 13 the hard copy she passed
out okay so the accounting isn't this is a separate we finished accounting we don't I thought we did yeah so 13 okay I see now this is the the 14 one more thing I would like to
mention before I came started in um FAL 11 I looked budget in the office um I did make a lot of you know I cut back a lot going on and I looked at where it was and I calculated out two
and a half Poland and even with what I'm requesting here we're still where you would have been say the better than what they were considering they had to find a new treasure collector um all any material weaknesses in the audit were
addressed way I think the outcomes have been improved with the and the public light and I I feel going to be about still get a rough quick number 20 21,000 less it would have been I never start even with this increase also absorb work
also duties from the Harbor Master so when you studed it was two and a half or three fdes it was two and a half two and a half yeah and I think you know when I looked at that study it seemed to me they were
acknowledging the fact that we were lacking debt um and by making the changes that are in this budget I know we hate to increase operating expenses salaries but
when you look at the total impact on the tax rate it's reasonable had actually approached um Craig about increasing my assistance um say years ago um feeling it wasn't adequate and
worried I was going to lose her and I did lose her to another Community to go away that paid her I believe 50% more and she's the first to say she's not working anywhere there that's hard for them so I do feel um the
outc think for we brought up today had some turnover in our offices which caus disruption in Services back up and because Andrew and I didn't have to I mean I did spend like pretty much a full year almost training that last
assistant because a lot of the things in I office only have yeah so it does take a full year and um you know to lose them and start over it sets feedback not really that's over sell it but the the municipal Marketplace job Marketplace is
is changing quickly um and communities are are are basically grabbing people wherever they can so they're competitiveness has increased significantly just in the last couple years oh yes I do it particularly true
in the finance Arena my banking about Treasures all my collectors it's we all saw this coming though right the government the governor I think Governor commissioned a hiring Gap you to look into why it was
happening over 10 years ago all explicable but nobody's going into these jobs but yeah there's not a lot ofif I feel like institutional knowledge is one of the highest value things you know you can say oh we don't do that seven
years ago we tried it and that's Tom do you have any questions on or comments on the treasurer collector budget no I don't think so I'm I'm okay with that but I I want to caution that the don't be deceived by
because the tax rate is not two and a half that we can do this because we're doing this because we're not doing onetime Capital Improvements we're doing operation and these recur every year they're not the one time so it's we have
right I know this is this is a big it's a big Bill to swallow this year but I think that the the challeng is is you create that Finance director position and now that impacts the
underlying departments and you know I worked in private business for many years and a finance person in charge of Finance was kind of important I'll make a motion to approve the requested 236,000
875 for Treasure second second any discussion vote Dean yes car yes myy yes Andy yes Tom yes and Sarah votes
yes you can stay for the rest of the meeting you can go home and finish covering from the flu thanks for what you do um the next is the Land Management Department which is a little
confusing and the reason it's confusing is it's on page 14 but if you look at 15 16 15 16 there's more not planning
department um so we we've moved things around so 16 is planning yeah so page 15 and 16 have been moved into planning so you'll see there's nothing for this year and it's all in
planning P 32 and 3 thank you knew there were more and so 32 and 33 yeah so those have been moved into the planning does that include histor commission too yes thank
you but land plan management is just yeah so that incorporates what were four four separate budgets before there was planning and there was zoning court of appeals and there was historic district admission and comom okay
because there was nothing right so if you're look in the spreadsheet I didn't print it in here but if you look at the spreadsheet and scroll over to the right I added all of those four um Apartments together to get my so
but3 wased at 205,000 went up to FY 25 total budget was 339,000 now we're requesting um 277,000 is that 37,000 so it's increased 37,000
but it's a little misleading because from the concom agent we're sharing we will be reimbursed from Hamilton so we're showing the full full for that conservation agent that 585 well then Hamilton's paying us
Hamilton would be paying us how much so it's um 75 we're paying 75 for Hamilton so we have to budget 100% 75168 yeah and then we get reim 50% of that so that's 37
okay and then we also moved the Professional Service stuff out of capital into this budget that was last year right yeah any questions what page is page 14 page 14 page 14 yeah be looking at page
14 and she has 229 so the total is 277 154 229 okay Y and we should basically disregard this page in the book Land Management new the
year 26 because it totals like 44,000 because it did not have the full load of everything Lo of the conservation would it be would it make sense to also uh consolidate the other expenses for these other department where where the
guy is or the gal is is being Consolidated into one that we consolidate the others into single page or everything's in this budget okay all the expenses in the separate budgets are in this one okay and what are the
categories that are in this one the former Department separate yes so this this includes planning this includes conservation historic district and zba and I think one of the things that
was done is the land use clerk is now doing like the minutes and stuff for those other other boards that used to be done by other people we used to have two
three times four different part-time clerks serving each of the different boards so this is an attempt to consolidate the other piece that's not here is that they they will also be um taking over the
the building inspector Ro and assisting there we don't show the building inspector here as a as a salary line the support would be coming up this office it looks like Professional Services in 25 was like 43,000 and now
it's zero but that's presumably because that's being picked up by Staffing up above was shifting from Professional Services to that's see where was Professional Services employe it has gone right there has been some
professional Serv depending on what there it was a contracted service an employ I wonder if that was for the CPC housing Productions No No Sa number no so the uh it looks like it's it was a planning board line right it
said it's I'm looking at line 14 of the spreadsheet but it's Professional Services PB and in 25 it was 43,000 but this coming request year it's not there's nothing so I presume it's either service we're no longer using or it's
moved into so again we it's all in the one on date 14 that Professional Services is is requested to be 25 okay got it and can you just refresh our memory
what that's for so it's a combination of legal expenses and if if they have a a need for consultant to help with a particular project or resoning issue thate I thought we were leave we were putting the 5,000 legal into the overall
legal budget and not having a separate budget for plan Bo thought we discussed that before I don't know why planning board would be the only place with legal exp I just think it's yeah so the request was for 25 and then
I had said 20 and five and then you said no let's not have a separate separate legal so so we put it back to the original request of 25 you could drop it to that 20 swear to I was comfortable with 20
originally having at least we're going to put it at 20 just seems like a lot of money for playing the land used to be playing where they're already getting something from CPC for the housing production plan I don't understand what all this stuff
is that they need to do for Stuff the town doesn't want I mean we're getting a lot of push back right now on not making a lot of changes understand the extra 25,000 for the conservation agent is that just an
adjustment to her actual salary that that goes back to the fact that we have to pay we have to budget her whole salary even though we're getting reimbursed for Hamilton for Hamilton's paying half of it half of the 75
yeah so that's coming back to us as a reimbursement R like like happens for the SRO at the school yeah pay her entire budget and the school reimburses us yeah similar arrangement I just wondering why it went from 50 to
75 because we weren't showing the full salary right it's been in flock yeah yeah okay so that makes the total budget 2721 54 is that right yes
abely some things I can add I was looking at the wrong column I carry the one do I have a motion to approve the Land Management Department in the amount of 272 154 mov car seconds any
discussion and that's with the uh back down to 20,000 the Prof Professional Services Yeah question before we vote on this so um in the book we have revenues for Land Management and it goes back to like fiscal
24 has there been any thought again about whether these um fees and this revenue is sufficient for the work that's being done I can tell you zba increased to a th000 and we zba covers its expenses I don't know what's
happened for fees for the other boards yeah I know that Mike's been reviewing those so answer your question I think there's some room for some some increases right so
would would a requirement be made that be adjust Ms occur prior to the start of the next budget cycle certain re it seems to me we we've talked about I mean I approached the
planning board when the zba increased its fees and that was in 2023 because we increased our fees in January of 24 and nothing's happened they were going to try to make them relatively similar to the
zbf um same thing with concom I can't believe that the concom fees are covering their expenses is that right Andrea yeah planning board's more difficult because they do things outside
of just applications whereas concom and zba are pretty pretty much TI to application then historic district commission too oh so it's fair to assume these adjustments are going to be
upward not we're not talking about a decrease in Revenue here just want make out sure the I can tell you that I haven't heard a single complaint since we increase his Eva fees to a th000 that was after I recommended
500 and select went up to 2,000 okay are we ready to vote on this this is the 27214 for Land Management Department Dean yes yes myy yes Andy yes
Tom yes Sarah votes yes okay get to skip the next two pages that takes us to town hall and Comm is this is this the electric budget just
for this building or is it for other things I recall in the past that sometimes this electric budget Incorporated other things but it was kind of lumped in here so it's Seaside one this building um the generator
it so did we save any in our costs when we move to the new HVAC system the U air quality and temperature control
certainly improved but we did not say it was this building was all electric to begin with is that correct yes yes okay no base boards no air conditioning yeah no air and there's no air conditioning there's no there's no air circulation room seven was a crap down
there you're either swe to death in room seven or you froze to death in room seven you didn't want to open any Windows you don't want any birds in here bats we had the bats we got left open over have we oh go ahead sorry I was have we looked at
solar I know we've talked about this before yeah we tried solar on this and our best candidate is the water treatment plant roof because this has a lot of south facing but it it has that Dormer that comes off the back is that yeah it's it's so it's yeah it goes
this way and this way yeah sometimes yeah it can still effective sometimes even if you have facing and west facing I have some of my solar panels on the North side and they're up high enough
to they're perfectly fine in the winter I don't get as much but in the summer they're hey Sarah can I ask a quick question yeah go for just for my edification what happened in fy2
24 was 64,000 no was 7 2 28 total oh I was just looking at electric it's that electric build it was the electric it was the electric okay but given that is our last
actual is 50,000 going to be enough yeah I was kind of wondering why it was such a big Delta I mean was that aggregate system going to kick in is that why we loaded it but what
this this was already in a didn't we have something funny with the electric bills yes did they roll over two years that why the 64 is so high Andrea okay
I the timing issue so we have struggled with with the solar U Arrangement that we we made so this an offsite solar electricity is
coming message from that solar farm but it's been a bit of a headache to say the least we thought of getting rid of it oh we've been working hard Andrew has put in way too many
hours and trying to get this resolved I just finally got some movement on them about a month ago but are we get better off getting rid of the arrangement yeah okay okay it's like we're it's like a process too and like we're like the
end of the first stage of that okay that's what you're working towards is okay but unfortunately like trying to project like what the actual cost of for the electricity is a little difficult um because of the percentages of the solar production to National Grid and that
they can't you know allocate it between our accounts um I wish they could yeah I may be coming you guys like we need to move this money around from here to there just to match up with the bills and stuff like that so be updated
on it but we are making progress really more a curiosity question is this some facility or something that we've added in town or is it more of a purchasing deal for purch deal okay it's not a capital structure thing
like another the town up North I'm spacing on the name if she CHS up yeah my my comment on that was to make sure that what happened in Texas doesn't happen because of that D remember how the rates went through the roof because of demand I don't know if there's a
demand based but yeah mean it was it was a it was a good arrangement on paper yeah it was always supposed to be 10% below whatever whatever rate weart negotiated yeah 15%
15% um but they they allocated too much to us so we could never take full advantage of all the credits but we were purchasing that that more electricity than we were using oh yeah it's just been a bear to
get them to to correct that mistake course they've changed hands three times too so well I've heard that those all sorts of arrang out there working to not be very good for
people it varies a lot yeah there's a high variability yeah then on the on the billing end I know National Grid is brutal if you're trying to move between different accounts yes yes that's exactly that nightmare monthly yeah we
have at least 20 accounts it's Relentless so do we think 50,000 is a realistic number to put in it's hard to say I'm putting it as a placeholder for now um just I
really as what how the credits and everything are going to fall based on each of the account numbers I think overall our electricity accounts if I were to take all of our electricity together I think we're okay um so that's why I said I'll probably be
com hey can I can I move this from here to there um just so I can match up what the numers the bills and is there a reason why you don't have all the electricity accounts under one budget each department has their own so I mean it kind of helps especially for
like DPW for example they have the garage and they have the street lights so like having them see the bills and have the account numbers and they also have um electric reporting requirements that they have to do okay the Perman of energy so knowing like you know if something happens like at the waste
plant the water plant they're the first ones that see it and know it and they have their account reps too those bills so having them have it in their budgets library for water and sewer which are two biggest users as Enterprise funds we want to keep them
keep them there so I have do I have a motion to approve 57,000 for Town Hall in Comm so any moves car seconds any discussion vot Dean yes bar yes yes Andy
yes yes pensions I guess we don't have any control over this this one's given to us yeah this is this is a pay the bill please we have an actuary who does this
and gives us what our what we have to do to maintain our position right so we along to EXC retirement they want to manage this and they're part of a state system which is the state and then
invest in the prim fund yes I have a conflict because I'm on the of the investment for Real Estate media just wanted everybody to know that you have any complaint don't call me
called goldber yeah she's the treasure she's the one um and it's my understanding that they're charging extra for a certain number of years for an unfunded liability is that still true that's
still true okay it keeps changing goes longer 30 34 32 to 34 we should be fully funded depending on what happens with the stock market and various other factors but um
but yes I know we'll hear from Dan Sherman but is our Roi still around like 7.2% or something like that roughly yes okay yeah okay I know that's
a Actuarial pension not necessarily a real but that's the number we're using still well and Andrea sent us some information yesterday or today on the op on the OPB
so we'll discuss that on March 4th when Dan Sherman's here but that had various funding right and you had a schedule on that yeah got some options to they had various funding schedules I'd asked to have him prepare for us so that we better understood what the impact of our
decisions had on the but a lot of these are the result of I keep saying the fourth yeah a lot of the pension increase as a result of the increase of our salary will go up as the well the the
pension Cal is calculated based on what our payroll as a percentage of the total payroll fund so it's not a direct correlation not direct but yeah it is tied solely to S to payroll right not
age yeah payroll just payroll no age so if if we have an employee you know sometimes we flip between the Contra contractor and an employee depending on our our situation so the
contractor is not included right the employee is and so it kind of goes up and down based on whether it's employees or contract but the contractors presumably were paying for a pension in their
fees loaded rates okay do I have a motion to approve this actually went has gone down right not as high as it's been yeah but it's gone down from the requested oh I think we assumed % came
in at a little lower I have a motion to approve the pension expense in the amount of 1, 85384 De moves do I have a second second more seconds any more discussion take a
vote Dean yes scar yes myy yes Andy yes Tom yes thank you next next is insurance and this so this is where you see that health insurance
number and so this was the final we've received a final number okay 4% D and don't forget the 04 and I think we've talked about the casualty and liability that went up because we were underinsured on the
water when do we pay unemployment C we fire somebody so we we pay that we have to pay that direct 24 bad here um the U uh
dispatch okay a couple so I have a motion to approve the insurance expenses in the the amount of 2,219 343 move moves I have a second Mory second any
discussion take a vote Yes Yes La yes Andy yes Tom yes ter about yes now we voted on police yes yes but there's been a
change two changes sorry about that so one one small decrease a larger increase so the small decrease in the ental yeah rental fee
budget from 4850 2400 and what are we renting system so it's software is that the dues and subscription number so so that's the one that went out and so there's you can see the the
various items that that's paying for the big change was the NL Jews we neglected to put that in so that's the historic F that we Rec join for basically it's a super Mutual
Aid and this past last year outside of the budget um and just just with Fourth of July coverage that we got from them more than more than pay for what we paid oh okay that's how that
do they provide extra Staffing when you now it looks to me like there's also a change up in the salaries there is so I just found out that um one of the sergeants has a master's degree at the end of this fiscal year which impacts their salary
um contractual salary um for their cents their M we get 8,000 more is that a year a year for the whole year but they get it every year wow yes yes it is so would the at 100%
now yeah the career incentive line wouldn't go down correspondent there's a separate newe okay so for for for the union people their career incentives are built
into this to the salary line for the for the Chief the lieutenant yeah Patrice administrator those three positions it's in that career of s so that was one question I had from an accounting standpoint it
seemed like he was covering shifting salary to training like the the salary that for training is in the training budget now is that g to fly with the what you mean shifting salaries of
training but I thought they we cut the overtime budget and he put it in training it's not salaries it's overtime okay so it's overtime right but is that but because that's like a salary
Thing versus a training thing we're can we bury the overtime salary in a training fee is that okay we're still paying the overtime it's just in it's cost of training is to pay
people overtime in order to do the training which is different from the overtime budget which is discretionary right but would it flush out in some of these pension things and all that that are triggered with salary eventually right
okay you see what I'm saying I don't know if the Cooper and Li people are we're still paying the overtime yeah it's still going we're paying it I know so it's still calcul ated in the salary yeah just for accounting purposes
right okay let me no the over time is oh okay oh it isn't no not just your base Sal except when they put the career incentives in the base sorry
okay yeah so um do I have a motion to approve the revised total salaries and expense budget for the police department in the million in the amount of
2,148 348 Andy moves do I have a second a second Dean seconds any discussion take a vote Dean yes J yes Mor yes Andy yes Tom yes Sarah vot
yes now I thought we already voted on Animal Control I was going to ask yeah you have yeah oh yeah it says 115 yeah just didn't have a column fire we're not doing yet
fire chief still owes us a memo yeah he has that basically okay it yeah because I have fire the 27 Harbor Master we already yeah
yep har launch we already education is not final we can't do yet but I do note that nor sure Aggy Tech went down by almost $67,000 due to fewer students don't know if that's good or
bad question on that what is our we have sort of an aot and then there is for okay and then above that is those that qualify we're not going to do we have DBW as a separate
agenda so I'm now on page 34 why Administrative Assistant up you got a fulltime position or not and the Professional Services is medical inspections are still being done by a contractor
correct and what is that Family Medicine Associates is that the only medical or is it dentist to say so far this year we oh wanted to say it was in relationship to
oh calls um unhealthy Airbnb no it's it's really more for oh if they're called in yes yeah if they're called in and then we have to call out to have them so
much that someone complains about mold of the house oh okay when they're renting okay Board of Health will send mode expert in okay to do to do that inspection that
that's an example of what this would be useful actual in 203 was over 20 ,000 our actual 24 is 5400 so we kind of in the middle well so what Fe would be a transition yes we also use that for
green head boxes um Sharps disposals um other GIS Professional Services what GIS does Health Department have I thought GIS was in assessor it is
an assessors but a lot of our departments use it umw uses it for like CER they have like different layers and so I believe they started using it for septic so they want to do yeah septic and Wells for example so these are accounts they have or it's the actual
data layers to our GIS so it's do charge the department who's requesting that additional layer okay you said change the Hazardous Waste again but yes it's back it's back to out back again okay we had a vendor who was doing
curbside pickup House people loved it but the vendor make money yeah it is too expensive okay any questions on this health
budget I don't know if we approve it I'll take a motion to approve the health budget in the amount of $210,700 can you explain this van driver situation a little bit it looks like the budgets the
same as it was in 25 close to the same but they wanted an increase and now we're using K that's what I'm suggesting yeah so why were they looking for an increase that was a huge increase yeah to expand the
hours of the of the service oh okay and have have the van drivers put in more hours each week so is this had a definite it will be uh hopefully on
Friday so hold off on this budget board the board has select board has approved the application to to um and the board has to officially accept Manchester as a due your time participating in system so we should
hold off on this until that's final sure that's fine right there might be very I'm very confident they're gonna say yes I have no doubt they will say yes what do you want do we want to vote on it yes okay do I have a motion to move
approve the Council on Aging budget in the amount of 23568 I move moves I have a second second any discussion on this we didn't really talk about the changes in the salary just the only question I had the
kada would that trigger a fee like the MBTA station fee so interesting piece of law we're allowed to use our MBTA p and shift it over to kada without
having to pay MBTA what we were paying them okay so they changed that did you have any questions on this Tom no I'm good okay take a vote Dean yes yes yes Andy
yes Tom yes there will yes veteran services this the last year right yeah so we get we we contract to gler it says fiscal year 25 is the last year so this we're voting on fiscal year
26 so is it going to change like if it hasn't changed so far yet I have a motion to approve veteran services in the amount of $22,200 Andy moves have a second second Mory seconds any discussion
can you just explain again what the veteran benefits are again gar might not know the veterans benefit line um is for reimbursements and other qualifying events of the veteran services director um bets and goes through and um approves
and it gets paid through us but then we get a 75% reimbursement from the state for any of those expenses like it could be know heating oil um help or a medical expens for any veterans that live in Manchester so for 2024 where we had
5,000 budgeted and we spent 3,000 the other two just it goes into the reserve account free cash yep okay and that number's kind of hard to if someone
comes in with new veteran or what like 30,000 but okay um ready to vote Dean yes yes Mor yes Indy yes Tom yes there was
yes PES are Getting Thinner Library we already did there's no changes right nope Recreation Department page 38 and this is another Sal adjustment %
increase oh right so this um salary increase again based on um the audit recommendation of creating a health and services cluster if you will and having
one person be the lead of that group so what else gets folded into this responsibility so it's parking wreck it's health and um COA veteran those four and so the person in the top line
here Recreation director becomes the CEO of that little sub group corre and is there any deficiencies in fact that they now have a somebody overseeing them or not necessarily um so there's there's a
there's better Communications is the goal and less um less of the TA my positions time trying to manage each of those individual departments
um so will that also lead to increasing more intergenerational program yeah any more questions on this budget
so that Recreation the title's not changing or is the title changing so added responsibilities it's okay no title Che one question on the um it's the same accounting code between
recreational salaries and singing Beach salaries how do you 51 yeah so that's my expense code so 51,000 are all salaries
52 are all expenses um if you see at the top of the rec department has a 01621 so that's like a short form of my account account structure so my fund is 01 was just general fund the six is um
for recreation okay do have the same number so if I want to run all the salaries I just 1,000 right so right so it's and is that what the no so we have
Recreation salaries we have singing Beach salaries and lifeguard salaries and right so we're going to do Recreation first and they're all in separate okay yeah so the recreation sories includes
the recreation director and the program coordinator for recreation programs so what about playground like is that that's program Co for play that's more than one person all
that they get paid out of we have a recreation revolving account so all like the payments for playground get put into that account and we can pay out of that without appropriation I guess that's where out kind Grand that we have yes so that
students can help yeah yeah beautiful okay okay do I have a motion to approve the recreation department budget in the amount of 18293 moov a second any more discussion
on this take a vote Dean yes car yes Mor yes Andy yes Tom yes yes now we get to singing Beach is this is this like six people
who each make 20,000 or is this like one person who makes 90 and another person that makes 15 this is like 25 people all the all the all the big
dollar the lifeguards are down the 96 another line these are all the um the people at the bath house I guess yeah the parking attendant those a whole bunch of people a whole bunch of all the high school
kids okay they're all making 100,000 well lifeguards went up we anticipate that happening again or do we think we've plateaued for a she seems pretty comfortable with it at the moment seems we're plateaued yeah it needed a boost
there and how much do we collect on Singing Beach the yeah it's um, to say it's for 300 300,000 so singing Beach makes money pretty much that's a profit Center
that's nice that's why we don't have it in an Enterprise fund want to move around so the excess goes to the okay so I I I uh make a motion we approve this 241 373 ma' y more
seconds ready for a vote Dean yes yes Mor yes Andy yes Tom yes ma'am Jesse T point in Crow Chapel same question that that's Point salaries no
same question as to what basically it's a small profit Center we're bring we're bringing around 35 I want say right and how do that break down between how does that break down between
crra and tuex point it's all tux Point All Tex Point brow a lost leer and is many ways we have the heat problem right on
it yeah Crow unfortunately Crow is is way way under well that's what I was going to say it's a great facility we got to get some something in there cocktail lounge or something it would be great to get a better higher use for it I know
Mark weld when he was on finance committee was trying to to find ways that it could be rented out more he didn't seem to have a whole bunch of success I don't know why how maybe the Cornerstone Church would like to sell the land on on School Street and they
rent Sun that's a great idea red craw we put housing on that Co you bet back to your point yes sir we've put we've put close to $650,000 into CR
Chapel 10 10 12 years ago oh that's free fixed and repainted yeah that one got away from us I think we should uh not that Tiffany doesn't have enough to do but she's a she's a go
I think we ought to get Tiffany to you know do something with Carl Chapel it's a programming going yeah I mean they're having things there but do they pay rent or are they free yes no they do pay rent so when Council aging has things there
somebody's paying for it then the cultural commission the cultural cultural C we haven't chared it's being used but we're not getting red well for for pwn Department using it we have but for other groups but don't we have Symphony
or somebody else they have used it they have paid I know of a school of a h a religious institution that has a lineup of people who would like to have weddings at a certain religious building we ought to we ought to publicize Crow
this is wedding Paradise it is limited there's a little Parking Challenge but that's a detail holds like 100 people and it doesn't have a second you can work on that g there was that concert series that
Woody used to run yeah right yeah but it's been quite a few years I think we should have uh it's a beautiful building itle Club performances and sell tickets to the
parent any yeah it probably should have something in the facilities budget was there a reason why we excluded that from we've already enough on we do want to protect our well it is
in the facilities budget maintenance and repairs from this budget right I think it says well that was from T no no no it says in facility budget but there's nothing in the facility
budget for the plan is that what you mean no no no um the facility's budget doesn't specify the buildings they spent five bucks in 20 2 yeah the facility's budget isn't doesn't specify the building right well there's
line items I should say tax Point yeah on the facility okay approve $3,856 for Point CH Andy moves and second ready to vote
Dean yes G yes my yes Andy yes Tom yes there vot yes other Recreation so the Fourth of July budget has been changed the big Chang is 1 July
yeah and what we're showing there is the of special duties police officers okay so this is saying that the cost of the parade is 60,000 how much more is a
firework you know which is around 35 over 30 it used to be about 30 but it's called up so the balances from the Fourth of July committee
was there a time when that was every year not for a long long time I wish it was every year 90s I would rather spend 60,000 on fireworks and 60,000 on a parade but that's just my personal kind of sad that it's I agree
but we just have to get more donations to make it every year I had to make a donation this past year because they didn't have enough money I wanted to F thank you that's was one
Sparkle I believe right did we have any actuals for 2025 yet no we're in 2025 right we're talking that is until June so we wouldn't have any but I mean it's just going from 10 to 20
and that's because of the overtime we never used to show the cost of the police detail so they took it out of the overtime in the police department and moved it here right okay and it's gonna
go back to the pension and over well it's not P okay we pay so this is where the overtime went okay so this this is not fully loaded it's just a salary line I mean it's a it's an hourly line
basically not yeah that's pretty much overtime hourly so so you contributed 10,000 traditionally every year well what ranges between a 30 to $60,000
expense um in the past that over police detail over time has been absorbed in the police department's budget so this is a change from that but nonetheless it's you're still looking at you know 60,000 Plus in in a fireworks
year right and it's it's getting increasingly difficult to do that and increasingly harder to to get a fireworks companies to do it for a reasonable cost because their liability
and all kind of cost clever getting bands is getting more and more difficult at some point there G have to be a discussion about the future of Four July just Cheryl pulls a rabbit out of a head every year to make it happen do we
do we ever do surveys of which components people like yeah I mean we spend a lot on some things and the question is do people care about those things good
question talk about doing I mean I know people are big parties are want the parade for oh yes you know so you gotta have a parade the question is does it need to be as fancy as it is that's my question I mean the old
cars are free they say what's fancy about steel drone B that's the Ste people and the dragons right B rid a bicycle how much does he charge
Char zero for his unicycle that whole bik crowd okay do I have motion yeah not for tonight but at some point Gerald probably should come on in and have a conversation yeah it would be very interesting to figure out what the big
cost items are there you know is it is each marching band you know total 60% if we drop one marching band we could do this easily for another three or four years or is it is the sky diver or what what is they don't have the sky diver anymore well I'm sure it's insurance
they used to drop it over he us they used to drop out of the plane over my house and I would watch them float over to the field they stopped that two years ago then for the last two years maybe we can get volunteers or this might be an
opportunity to collaborate with other neighboring towns you know fire trucks from towns go around and around fire trucks fire trucks are free it's just the beans and stuff that cost right
that's yeah and probably the guys with the muskets prob insurance that that's crazy on a hot day it is all that wol okay any to approve other Recreation the
amount of 24072 on and moves got a second take a vote Dean yes yes my yes Andy yes Tom yes there yes oh Debt
Service down down 13.21% looks good because it goes from a million to 800 yeah so I have a motion to approve the debt service in the amount of 87113 so move Andy move do I have a
second second I have a I have a request yes sir I would like to sit with somebody who knows knows what this is and ask them what the component parts of The Debt Service the principal uh the the maturity date and the interest rate
attached I'm an old Banker I apologize but I would like to I would like to sit I won't take more than 20 minutes thank you and I vote Yes okay well we have discussion oh yeah we're having discussion sorry we're not voting
yet oh sorry yeah Dean um oh will this we were we're no longer going to incur that um 1.5 million water meter debt because it's now being paid for that's
not here in Enterprise funds that's not here okay we haven't even so this doesn't even we hav issued that bond yet because haven't spent the money yet right but it sounds like it's going to be paid through the Enterprise fund the
repayments and so how will that appear will it still be in depth service and then just be funded with Enterprise or will it not appear in debt service because it will flow through Enterprise it'll depend on timing okay right it depends you like that um so
like if depending on how much money we get in say you know for the capital fee we get in just not accurate numbers $100,000 for year one um you need a ban to pay the 1.5 we can take out just 1.4 that year
or even roll the band like we're we want to issue the whole thing all at once our plan is to ban it and have that roll over and whatever we have in the bank at the time we don't want to sit on it we want to pay down pay it down so we might not have to issue it okay makes sense
yeah makes sense yes okay any more discussion take a vote Dean yes Dar yes Mor yes Andy yes Tom yes there votes yes okay so
there's no no other budget items to vote for except for DPW and pool and fire right oped but that's for another week okay so the next item on the agenda is to
approve the DPW operating budget we've already discussed it that doesn't mean we can't have discussion again but let's since we're on page 43 let's start with the fund the Enterprise funds and then we'll
go back to the main DPW yeah okay sure one thing I wanted to do with this was because we gave money to the library the extra three grand for maintenance there I thought it could come out of
these facility bugets that we have for these other um just try well it's not sewer fund has a whole separate one so we can't take library out of sewer yeah no no it would be the DPW yeah we'll get
there talk about that when we get there okay um so the sewer budget is lower no it was lower than it's higher than what was requested put in theal
sorry okay I see what you're Capital where's the capital capital's onine 38 I see but it's so let's look at the the top part the 682016 that Capital number shows up as a
negative it should show reduction what we really should be seeing is it is is a delta or an increase of about 19,000 18,000 right I think that's causing that yes 200 the
Delta at the bottom about let's just look at the salaries and expenses first the 682 six any questions on this how many employees do we have in sewer
five and Sewer is our employees and water treatment is Weston and nips would sorry mix those up that right we do we do have a couple of water guys plus the people at the pl
okay we have the people on the street and wooden current supplies the right and they're the sort of high licensed trained we're talking about sewer I know we are I'm sorry um s some comment Tom you have a
question yeah just for my edification what what's longevity and standby under salaries longevity is part of the Union contract for every five years or so you get a boost in longevity pay if you're here
for 15 years you get an extra $600 something like that okay well and what's standby um standby is when basically they're on call so they have to be available if something happens at the
plant at two in the morning there's a person on call who responds to that okay thank you I know those are small numbers I just wanted to know what they were so they get paid for being on standby salary or a stien like a stien
it's like $225 per hour AER okay do I have a motion to approve the total sewer salaries and expenses in the amount of 68201
C I make a motion I move do I have a second sir can I just ask where that number is coming from I see total sewer salaries and expenses oh okay I'm sorry y I'll
second it's lower than what was requested right which is yeah um and the difference was oh they dropped down electricity increased
maturity okay any discussion vote Dean yes bar yes Mor yes Andy yes Tom yes there yes
okay now we're skipping Capital line right yes okay so that's an X so we're looking at the total sewer and indirect cost not the Total Line right so this just does isn't this just a multiplier
on what we voted on before we haven't voted on sewer no no the sewer salaries see the sewer salaries all this stuff just rolls out of employment other than the administrative other I mean it's it's yeah it's because the Enterprise fund is paying it's fully
loaded so the Enterprise fund pays I mean the debt surface comes down because we're not so Andrea these indirect costs are they included in the Total Line items we've
approved they are so in general for instance in general fund like the pension number includes this includes this so it's just a this is a funding source to the Sewer portion of that number so we don't need to vote on this
we've already voted on it in the main budget this you're kind of voting like the amount from sewer to contribute to like a reimbursement yes you're basically approving the funds from this Enterprise fund to go into the
general fund okay so it's like a funding vote as opposed to a allocation well it's an allocation vote is um I have a question yeah what is the revenue on this it's they set the fees to cover the
cost it's it's yes yeah it's roughly that that number so we collect enough pay this yes we have to corre because it's an Enterprise fund thank you some we have we have excess in that fund
we have reserves in the Enterprise funds yeah and what are they now Andrea they are they were quite high for a while we about 1.3 million Jean Water and Sewer I'm just looking at sewer the sewer um
was just approved in November at 55,000 okay so this really doesn't affect the tax rate correct more about your utility B operating
so do I have a motion to approve the sewer indirect cost in the amount of $438,500 yes my yes Andy yes Tom yes V yes water fund just a question Just for
future are you back on sewer I'm still on sewer is there a place where the revenue is listed or could we get that in the future I mean I'm going to the book we what we get is the amount in reserves is the excess
Revenue right I'm looking at the book which is is basically the last data point was real data in 23 and 24 which lists about 1.3 million I'm just curious if um you I guess we find out if we're
ahead or behind on projected budgeting the next year well no this the select board sets the fees right but it's it's a guess as to how much yes so it's based on water consumption right and so if we if they
don't have enough then it comes out of reserves if they if they build too much it goes into reserves Enterprise level reserves right that's why we have reserves in the Enterprise fund right right is for the fluctuation and actual uses
versus used gu down some of those reserves for some Capital project yeah and we've been generally um in the black on those we haven't run in the red on cost versus Revenue uh we did just recently yeah because of a dry
summer so yes so when water us is down well a wet summer actually right right sorry FY 24 Revenue was 1.3 and our costs are 1.33 yeah a little bit over a little bit under but
close got it fire this a net 02 or no the water fees should pay plus now you're yeah water water meter charge in this bill you have to pay in March
um so the regular salaries are how many people that's our employees next three people
professional we just don't confuse it for so the salary line is for three employees that are to employees yes and they average about 70 OD th000 yes
okay and then under expenses see the contract services that big line 4 455 down under expenses y okay that's the would have in curring contract okay and how frequently is that renewed is
that an contract that escalates every year it is yeah yeah um want to say it's a threeyear contract it's five year five year at one point we were looking about whether to retain that we decided to
retain it because of the yeah we we talked about bring it it in house um what discouraged us is the ability to find license so that that made us hesitate and what what did these people do they run the water plant they run the make
sure the water gets filtered and yeah yeah test the they have to they do all the testing they maintain the plant manage the the filtration replace the chemicals I think it's challenging because there's a fairly High license
level this there's different levels right we had a DP W director years ago who had that license I wonder what the rationale with low ball on the chemical cost I mean it was 107,000
24 I heard it's been going up we're back down to 80 still wish there was one contract that actually came lower okay so it's a good number
and the real estate taxes are or we pay Hamilton oh yes interesting so we should go and sit on the Hamilton we sit in on finance committee and say what is what's with
all these taxes great okay so what you saying we could say no to not pay real estate taxes I was I was just saying how come we're not t examp but it really is just a pilot a payment and Li of taxes cont I mean nice to have the
land I have to that we do believe Hamilton would love to take over the craftly pond they CET that facility cu water issues oh major water
issues are they pulling that Swit River Bas they always have a water B they're automatic water band every year I don't care how wet it is was a water I'm surprised do we sell them water no we do we do
not looking for some Revenue issue with trying to get the pipe down correct Tobacco Road yeah there's no there's no pipe there was talk about it when they were going to redo the
road oh and that that blew up yes do I have a motion to approve the total water distribution salaries expenses and treatment in the amount of 1,110 106 so move
second second moves any more discussion oh Dean yes yes myy yes Andy yes Tom yes and S we skip the
capital go down to water indirect cost so I have a motion to approve the water indirect costs in the amount of 223,50 I guess that's for funding grou
what so Mo Andy moves do I have a second Mory second any discussion it if the salaries went up 2.5% why would this wouldn't this go up in a similar amount the pensions are a
6.03% increase health insurance went up 16% that's why so this is just a portion that comes out of those other budgets we've appr right yeah any more discussion
vote Yes SC yes myy yes Andy yes Tom yes yes back to DPW back to page 27 and I think we've talked about all of
this yeah so are we ready to vote or do we want more discussion remind me again why we delayed on this and what piece of information we were looking for we didn't have the sanitation budget okay
that's why we delay yeah that's why we delayed it got it and we didn't have answers to all of our questions was trying to remember I don't know there were line items that he said that was Andrew and
Greg so are there sections in this budget that you guys do that direct the department heads don't really contribute to I know I do cost I do
this like fuel oil who comes up with that number fuel that's what they recommend okay okay and where's so so they recommend I trimmed it back based on
what we seen okay and Equipment materials that was a huge difference but that was something they requested right um I don't know this is out of order or not but so I put more in I'm sorry just answer the question I put
more I took money out of Maintenance repairs and put more in mat materials they sort of use those two interchangeably but I wanted to based on what the history was yeah I wanted to more accurately reflect okay um I as it relates to salaries total salaries it's
interesting to me split out the leader of the department from all of the other salaries that's a it's as opposed to getting a big salary number uh so that I know sort of the the guy who's in charge
or the G's in charge versus you know all all the guys that are the rest of the crew yeah yeah that would be an interesting we get it for some budgets but we don't get I know it be historically just kept it the way it is but I do have that I it be great to have
it consistently yeah I agree yeah that's easy to get thank you it doesn't have to be I don't have to get an update but for next year yeah I have a motion to approve total salaries and expenses in the amount of
1,545 413 so Andy moves gar second any discussion on this just um the in-house OPM that's separate from the clerk of
the works yeah yes is it's a project manager versus oh right okay I remember which and that's what Nate's doing so we upate salary to cover that yeah okay and and those opms are quite
often at least 5% of estimated construction costs okay on a given project so it Bears watching but you know if they can use that effectively I think it's a but Nate's doing it yeah so as long as he's doing it that's just a
salary adjustment for the increased responsibility yeah we're going to be and undertaking some kind of big projects like we're building the pyramids out there you know so uh uh it might be interesting to think
about um who it is that we're having as a clerk of the works on these great big projects that's why last year we added this Clerk of the works position yeah that's new yeah and it's only supposed to last for five years right that there
was a person on staff or a person that they could get that they knew there's a very strong candidate and they've hired him cor yeah I would like to make sure that the job description of that person is in the file and the uh
evaluation of the performance of that person is scrutinized I'm sure you know Greg would do it or or whoever it is DPW director would but yeah um that because you know we're talking about big money
going out and and the clerk of the works is really the one who follows that so if we have a you know a change order with a cost overrun par of the works is going to want the one who's going to be kind ofing Fe to the fire in terms
of why did this happen that's a it's it's nothing if we're not building anything but if we're building you know water treatment plan a new P thing a new all this kind of stuff you know got a lot of money do we
want reports on that sort of thing with a certain frequency and if so what frequency yes I would say that depending on the size of the contract we should be getting no less than quarterly reports okay of the original budget tracted
amount change orders why the change orders now you know we're not going to go out and inspect the the density of the concrete and Foundation or something like that but but we need to know that kind of stuff mainly because we're
talking about Big Ticket items yeah it's it's the sewer upgrade project it's the past project ppw facility yeah okay get there and it shouldn't be any more work for the DPW to produce those reports hopefully
they're getting them anyway yeah so they can just press CC you know whatever it is so is that something you can make sure Andrea that we receive Bly starting yeah whenever we start these
projects yeah okay just so we don't have to chase people down for it did we vote not um any more discussion V Dean yes Z yes myy yes Andy
yes Tom yes and Sarah votes yes so snow removal was another budget um so we talked about a three-year average the three-year average would be
only about 125,000 however I'm a little nervous about reducing it from the 145 um the average is skewed by the 24 actual which was only
70,000 yeah um and my other concern is I personally don't think that we did a very good job with this last storm on the sidewalk I agree and my concern is if we drop the recommend does that mean
perhaps you get even poorer results I mean part of my opinion is my personal opinion is we have a five foot snow plow and our sidewalks are not 5 feet wide so
the feet of the snow plow is up on the sides and there's this much snow left on the sidewalk itself and then people walk on it it melts and it freezes I'm unable to walk from my house
downtown without walking in the street and to be honest the worst property between my house and the post office was a town-owned property this was yesterday it's tough getting in here right the is isn't
troubled it was a com so is this a piece of equipment that needs to change I I I don't know if yeah I mean I thought we had another snowplow smaller but we must not be using it we used to have an old D2 tractor that might have fit but
nobody it doesn't have any eat it's not on the sidewalk I think it's in front of Santa Bang Yes where there's a light post well Cloud driver should be the plow driver left the pole Bank it
was a weekend it was a holiday weekend and it froze but but my driveway the snowplow company came back Monday morning sanded and saled it and it's all black car not a spec I
on yes that's my this is a discussion that's my tying for today we discussed it last um last night we were going to have a discuss on expectations for sidewalk ping and whether or not the budget meets the expectations the select
Board needs to have an expectation discuss so I had to bring this tonight to put on my coat because I knew I had to walk in the street part way to get home I'm driving you home so it sounds like nasty no quality or a funding issue
and the quality they T the equipment well so quality is person or equipment and I guess we should ask the question is it the right piece of equipment yeah because there's there's posts in this right for the last two storms they did
not plow in front of 45 Central that the whole house wasn't plowed and you had no choice but to walk into Central and the only reason I can think of is because the plow is wider than the sidewalk is and they would have plowed it onto the street because it's F
it's been done before I know it's it is wor there's a way to do it I think I don't know oh that's you know this may be a note for after budget season but we talked about number of vehicles and whatever and I had a front
row seat going into to pick up the salt the other day and actually did a count of yellow structured Vehicles you updated your yellow account I did not update my database from 15 years ago I was counting a lot of Wheels um but I do
think we we should at some Point really get a capital list and understand what is operational and what is he gave Park and storage but gave it but things like this plow you know if this plow isn't right for the job let's sell it to somebody who has bigger sidewalks and
get the proper device I mean I think the only five we five feet sidewalks we have is on school and some of them are five feet because of the post stick in the middle I actually CAU and check about this at town meeting in 2016 when he was going to buy it thank you no this is the
smallest one available that's the thing that I don't think they make them any small my neighbor did a snower just time out let's save this discussion when we have the right people in the room okay after budget season conversation okay
s Sarah I have to change dogs on the Beach Street okay um so we going to leave the the snow budget at the 145 threee average that's what I think
okay make a motion to approve the snow removal budget $145,000 do I have a second second a second any more discussion no
vote Yes yes yes Indy yes Tom yes votes yes that was another reason why we had um street lights I think we had a long discussion
on the street light right yeah yeah yep so I have a motion to approve 55,000 for the street light so move s second any discussion I just ask a
question why is the electricity for the street it's not included in this budget it's I know it's under DPW but just from a budgeting point of view isn't that street lighting that's Street lighting is it is okay so this is the
electricity cost the 30k yes okay take a vote Dean yes car yes M yes Andy yes Tom yes facilities so that's where I thought the um Building Maintenance there's a bunch
of them and Library only had five and we upped it to eight and I thought that well maybe we could take it from one of these pots it's but the reason we increase the library was because it hadn't been included initially right it's been
overlooked for years it might be more in here I don't see why we'd want to take anything out of the facilities maintenance because we up the library I think maintenance is historically one of our issues yeah unless you transferred it well I mean
the actual for tux point was 6,024 and we're budgeting 1,000 you don't think we can take threee and give it to the library it's not going to have any impact on the overall budget de we've given the 3,000 to the library
we approved that well I was thinking we could take it from here so that it's not an increase it's just a reapportioning of Maintenance you know giving more to the library and taking it from some of the other facilities I I really would prefer not
to take away maintenance dollars I I think that we struggle to properly maintain our building okay that's my opinion well it's an opportunity for savings we want it because these are all plug numbers and they're a lot higher than the actuals but we've got a major problem
now with the bath house because we didn't maintain it and now we've got all of these upgrades to do have you used that bath house yeah it's an embarrassment as far I question whether 50,000 was enough when they right yeah
um Park and Beach maintenance is that um parking lot and bodal type things or what is that line item the 45,000 yeah that's uh fertilizing the
fields okay turning the water on and off at is it sweeping the seawe yeah yeah seaweed removal why wouldn't that go on to our seat the parks we
moved it all from there was maintenance in the Parks okay um but the DPW was doing it so it made sense to move it out of the parks and re department they work really closely together yeah no they they empty the
track so was the um salary line increasing because of more hours or is that an adjustment based on the report or what why new 4.3% I think Nate's adjusting more his
timing no no this is the custodian think we probably under budget no because course part of this is actually the library budget too so the whole oh right so there's a portion in the library budget for the cial services um
we just didn't want to reduce the library budget because and all that that they have and then the rest of it is budgeted about like and we have a new custodian correct yeah
under a motion to approve the facilities budget in the amount of 17949 second um any discussion vote de okay yes yes Mor yes Andy yes Tom yes
was yes this the last page okay uh sanitation collection and Disposal this we do not yet have a new contract yeah so so should we hold off well um
when do we expect to have it so I mean the contract is still good for one more year they was talk about I thought wheel abor ended in fiscal year 25 the
disposal thought disposal ended in 25 but the collection isn't until 26 yes we're waiting new pricing for wheel so we don't have disposal is that accurate what I'm
reading so let me let me yeah let's hold off okay let me just verify there there was an email that just came today and I haven't read it yet okay that's fine I'll just make note of it
um the revenue we're bringing in for this is not on a the bag sales the um the yeah which I know we could probably do for another year before we have to transition to some
other carrier technology but we know what that number is two to 300 [Music] 2024 we've got 2991 little less than half for the trash transfer station stickers we got like
300,000 where was the bag the revenue for it was somewhere yeah under the you said us under the clerk's office bags wouldn't be that was the that was the stickers for using transfer station I
don't know where the revenue for the bags was under DPW okay it must be part of that 300,000 yes it is it's in that 300,000 okay stickers we got
5800 that's under the CL that makes much more sense than 300,000 yeah 300,000 is the bags okay that's from the place zero okay right so
do they sell tell us what the volume of the collection is every year yes I'm curious to know I don't know why but what what it would be like this year versus last year versus two years ago
and so forth um are we are we making progress in uh encouraging folks to be more judicious in their tossing behaviors than uh in the past I I'm just
wondering it's sort of PL it's plateaued and it's been plate for quite a while okay okay because I think that the composting thing helps yes but a lot of people don't do it a lot of people don't went to single stream and lost the educational factor of dividing it yeah
maybe sustainability committee is trying to yeah educate encourage yeah they got the bin thing it's telling you what you can put
where it's now Pizza boxes going recycle not in compost right we pay by weight is it what we pay by by what I'm thinking and and and your your kitchen waste is your heaviest
piece of your of your garbage so you can get that out of your garbage yeah you're yeah you're helping the town out pretty significantly really I mean um I keep bringing Tiffany up these are the kind of things that we can tell are our
taxpayers and our you know like me guy who does the dishes every night and you know yeah it's worth scraping into the little green thing kind of stuff yeah if we get like what
we well I guess if you what we paid a ton and then break it down to a pound or something right understand at make it make it meaningful to the house level hous level yeah I there's probably a huge amount of cardboard given the amount of stuff that's being shipped in
as it is it's crazy boes look at the pedex trucks driving all around so this might be a little off topic but um black Earth using the facility here that they pull a certain amount from the town of
Manchester and then they have a certain amount they can do outside of Manchester on that site yeah are we monitoring that so it's not going like skyh high I want to support that business but at the same time yeah we look after our own interests yeah it is near our water
supply and that how is it is somebody watching that or is that yeah so they're required to give um if it's monthly or quarterly volume reports does that go to the selectman or does it go to the DPW well I would think they
have a pretty rigorous testing for contaminant in the dream just it's all selfcontain do we get copies of those testing yes
okay I'm let Ste a second are we waiting on sanitation yeah waiting on San and maybe by next meeting I'll remember what other question updates from town administor
you have anything for us that we need to know go ah no I'm good I'm good did I to tell you that we that they settled the the officer on
11f told us that we did his bu yes yes no she sent a copy to the uh whoever that guy was that was supposed to do it magistrate magistrate yeah finally
ruled of our favor yeah so it went it went to the three panels fre doctor Appel for review they all said it was so do we get money back that's the next step oh great that's the next good and where and if we do where
does that come from is that insurance of the state or is that from from County County Retirement because they should have been paying him retirement yeah okay and then then our assessment to County Retirement goes up to cover the cost
they just saying you're so cynical well at least it's covered by 31 other right sort of like the CBA right okay um are we ready to improve any of the minutes or do we want to wait till next we have 25 and 212 well Dean had
comments on the last week she sent out she sent out so prove that I don't did she change any of my comments yeah she sent it out today yeah cuz I had
um comment she she revised it yeah okay we wait we'll wait sorry okay um okay so our next meeting is February 27th Thursday hoping to do fire
capital budget and including fiveyear plan for Capital and the impact on the tax rate to Circle back around with on that stuff um also like to
understand what we're doing about reserves because it looks to me like we didn't we're not spending the reserves down to to 8% um my the question I had
is is there anything we can do in this fiscal year to to have money because it seems like we have some extra money to decrease the amount of the bond we appropriated last
year I don't know how you do that but it just seems to me that we're in a position you could you could appropriate some Reserve money to to decrease that Bond or I don't know to the meter project I mean we need to talk about how much we want to put into opep too which
we could use some of the excess for opep po ful that's what I'm thinking we're pretty CL we're pretty really close yeah so maybe that's the place where we deal with it is you know a few options we should okay we'll give we'll give you
a few choices good okay and then decision then on March 3rd we have a joint meeting with the select board is that still on yes yes do we know whe that's 7 or 7:30 it would be seven
seven um could you ask de powers to do the agenda for the fincom for that meeting okay thanks and then uh there's also of district school district Finance
subcommittee meeting 26 right right which is sort of a work working session but if if any of you wanted to listen in or attend in person we were going to
post it for both select boards and both Finance committees but in case you wanted to do I'm not sure that's not what Pam said today so what time would that yeah yes it it is she she's she's sending it to you as a Committee Member
but the other boards can observe what she says it's posted as a school committee finance subcommittee budget Workshop that she's not posting it as a select board meeting or she's not posting We would be posting
it so what only only if you feel others of you might want to attend Wednesday February 26 from 10: a.m. to 11:30 A.M it would also be on weather so none of you we don't need to post up for the finom if you don't
feel you want to listen no well people can listen in without being posted meetings that's my opinion I I agree with that there are others who disagree with that and they're being uh very in my opinion if you post a meeting then
everyone on that board has an opportunity to contribute and that's I don't believe that's the intention of this meeting it is not is listen only mode yeah I'm I'm fine without you posting it
what what but it's an open meeting so we can we can just listen in comment or not comment we don't have to say we're there 26 from 10 to 11:38 oh it's probably not on Zoom because
Essex doesn't have zoom it'll be on WebEx so they're going to run through some scenarios and then project those scenarios out four or five years none of it is pretty so it's a starting point for
those scenarios start at the 9% and the and then go out or they start can't discuss this tonight we I've seen nothing and I'm supposed to be on this committee so I think they'll send something the out tomorrow I I just think it's late I don't want to get who
are they sending it out to the committee members okay and you'll send it out happy to forward it to every yep please do y so what I saw was when I get the invitation for the meeting with the in connection information I'll make sure that I send that out
too yeah I don't think what I got has a actual meeting on it no I mean it tells the time but it they usually do their links weirdly oh
second all those in favor good night Tom good night