##VIDEO ID:tAWdGS5scwk## 30th and I will call the finance committee meeting order I have with me in the room um deanis Peter Twi Andy Oldman and Tom Parkins in addition we have Chuck Dam and Greg fettis Spiel from the town it looks like Andrea Mainville is on Zoom Kathy bolada from the select board is on Zoom iPhone is that Mike brat or somebody else somebody else Mory had hoped he could join via Zoom but he wasn't sure okay so this is what we have right now our first order of business is the fiscal year 25 q1 report which Andrea sent us um believe yesterday did people have an opportunity to look at that I turn out the capital part well every quarter we like to go over the q1 year to dat the the quarterly year to dat report to see if there's any concern in it and the only area of concern that I saw was the police overtime I don't know if other people saw other things do you have any comments on the q1 report Andrea no I agree the police overtime um I think appeals overtime appeal salaries was a little high um I know we requested a transfer last year so we might have to do that again this year those are only two things um do we have information as to why I mean we've increased the police staff so that we had more coverage and part of the whole theory was is that they would drop off people from covering the front desk if they needed to to avoid overtime do you have Sense on with the overtime C so they they have been able to do that effective so a big big hit was this Fourth of July okay so there's a tremendous amount of over time um covering the the pre and and the firework um I'm forgetting the number it's it's turn around $15,000 if over those two CLS so that's telling me in future years that in a fireworks year we need to be increasing the overtime yeah I mean uh the chief would love to see that budget come from somebody else okay which is a possibility you know we could putot it so in the Fourth of July committee but I they would need more money obviously to do right okay the money has not the same pocket it's the question of where well except they get donations right helps little bit and so we had a similar experience a couple years back then yes anything else the uh some of the training sessions for example the this past weekend we had the active shooter drill so that that brings in everybody that's what I was wondering so we bring in everyone at time but is that part of the plan well it's not it's not specifically budgeted for plan yes but it's it's still people's it's still putting people in the M I'm just you know it's what $775,000 or so 100,000 was budgeted for overtime and so even if you take July 4th they're 60% expend it's high for one quarter of the I mean they do run so the summer is a busier time for overtime just because of vacation time but yeah but it is high it is high so in this upcoming budget can we have a better get a better feeling for what type of training they're going to be doing and how that would impact over time my sense is the fire departments doing more training they are they're doing a lot of training I don't have an issue with is doing a pretty good job of of doing the training model on duty okay so not everything can be done that way but yeah they are able to do quite a bit okay we left will we see another jump because of the um Carnival from the overtime that prob hasn't yeah that should be privately paid for oh the police details are privately paid for oh okay we had a um small comment on the revenue part it what I ended up doing was to track the local receipts I put the percentages in the columns instead of the sum so that because it's hard because all the numbers are varying to compare between the years so you know I made that change on the spreadsheet but that would so when you're looking at bodex size and the individual items it's hard to see how they did from last year without that percentage talking about a format issue is that yeah just a matter of putting the um instead of totaling everything to see what percentage of the total to do each individual item oh so you're looking at a percentage per line item yes so that you can compare the two years you can't just do the numbers because they all change a little you know is that something you can do Andre in the future yes I was just going to say that I can definitely add that great thank you thanks anything else it's cold in here don't worry we can always it's okay set a 73 just okay so we're done with the q1 report okay and then around 3:30 today I sent out the um the launch financials that had been submitted to the select board in October for us to look at I don't know if anybody chance to look at it in advance I had a brief chance to look at it and I was surprised so we've had a number I don't know how to evaluate it but we had a number of repair issues I gather that reasonably significant but I gather they were absorbed by the available income without a problem is that is that about the situation yeah so there there was a problem with the transmission yeah I mean that was one thing we all looked at as a question it looks as though it was a relatively minor thing and not leading us to have a more premature transmission replacement or anything new engine because that was the transmission was one of the first things that was you know they shifted into forward and reverse all over the time yeah and it was there's no indication that there's a larger issue there that you can tell cor and then I think that he's also making the recommendation that in order to I think he gave us some projected 2026 staff costs yes because he's suggesting that we increase to yeah I think that's been my experience in other sailing PLS that I have to run you're seeing a a wage increase it's in that range I think we really should look at that fairly carefully okay and I was um I was surprised that the Arbors was we took in as much money as we did considering we started it late it we started late it was very you know lowkey in terms of advertising or promoting he said most were walk guns yeah I think there's some more potential there yeah so even with the $23 an hour um is 50,000 going to be enough or we going to need more that's what he's projected he's sh p a budget of 50,000 from ex 499 6825 so there's $31.75 flip it over D you you'll see oh there's another page $31.75 extra Revenue okay got it got it all plan but it's your general comment we're seeing wage changes quite actively that's if that's the general question you're asking de no it will it will carry over to make sure the wage changes are significant run but doesn't he have it at $23 an hour yeah that's what he's projecting for next year he already got it in because he had difficulties hiring people yeah so he's built that in he's buil it in yeah yeah and if he collects more TS you get right and I see no reason why that can't be kept so Rising if the if it's needed to cover the service yeah I thought it was kind of expensive but apparently other people done so that's okay that's why I asked about repairs to the boats I didn't know if there were any significant implications about the transmission because the transmission is is the point for these launches where you spend money that's where you spend money yeah it is well accelerating forward back board back you know every vote you approach I had no other questions okay anybody else have questions so now we get back to the fiscal year 26 where would you like to start GRE I was G ask you that question I think that what would be helpful to you I think we looked at the the overall 25 year spread of the large projects and maybe we need to discuss that a little more to see whether that iing can be tweaked or what type of you know what type of thing people think short answer is yes this is a [Music] story the 28 6% increase just for the bonding is is something that people are worried about yeah because you know have to add the two two and a half on top of that so that that number becomes worse I'm sorry what what document are we looking at look at the facility financing from last last [Music] meeting two weeks ago sorry so yes see I'm on my computer I didn't print it g to do the same thing I'm proud of you if I run run out of juice I'm in trouble I didn't those first three years are talk Sal was celebrating having a doublea bond ring and I was wondering I mean isn't AAA what you want to go after there yeah is that we that's what we have that's what we want to keep yeah yeah that's very important to me maybe they were less than that but that 5% interest is going to be a big wild card lot of assumptions yes yeah so let's talk about the DPW grage and start the realistic assumptions of the timeline it seems premature to me could be wrong to be including a bond in fiscal year 27 I find it hard to believe that we found the so that that supposes that we've completed enough construction that it's you know we're paying for think so yeah so if Chuck speak to the timeline um terms of when you actually need to start paying off that Bond that I could easily probably move to 28 29 depending on how long you want to ban it so I don't have that spreadsheet in front of me but just to kind of you know big picture you know even taking a step back from just DPW like the the P is the other kind of big one that's Town related um you know I think uh Greg um I don't have the the 20- year plan in front me but I'm just looking at the fiveyear 26 27 28 right and so appears at least that the full design for DBW warps is really not funded until 27 is that right so part of the funding would would potentially come from the bond which bond for the design right okay I didn't hear that answer for which one so part of the design Monies yes um will rely I I was relying on on bonding in 27 but it wouldn't be for the full amount the full but and it wouldn't be until 27 because if it's not because I from my timeline point of view yeah we're looking at FY 26 which is this year that we'll approve at you know annual time meeting I'm not really going to have funding available through that town meeting to do the full design not the full design I guess that's what I'm saying so if I was hoping to advance yeah so I think you do have at least for DPW there is you know advancement there we already have some money right now available for pasas so that that will be on a trajectory but the full design would not be available till 27 so I to answer the other question I don't think for either of those we would be under construction building out and paying bonds back in FY 27 it would be either 28 or even you know some some parts of it 29 so that I think that was my other comment about six and a half percent I mean that's a number on a spreadsheet right now but by no means do I think you know especially given if I'm not getting the full design to fully flush out you know especially on the P you're definitely not going to get you know that hitting the 6 and a half% won't be you know your first tax bill in 27 it will be later what kind of design six months um well so for p we're already getting going Lincoln Street is going to be ahead of the plant umon the long the long part of that we're actually in the middle of it right now is the um piloting which is ongoing at we we're already done with the um piloting at the well we're now doing bench scale testing of the piloted well water if you can follow me there then at the at the plant we have the pilot ongoing DP wants us to keep it going for another two or three months like so I'll start uh in the next month or so we'll send water from that pilot to the lab for bench scale testing and then we'll get that report back in January um and that will kind of inform what the design need is at the plan we already kind of know it at the well and we have the funding kind of lined up and you expect that to be different that well versus plant yeah so it's it's it's going to be a new structure at the well for sure but potentially is it is it to confirm the the treatment path which or no we we still could potentially do an ion exchange or R it won't be Ro but it either be activated carbon or anion exchange at the well uh we're leaning towards activated carbon but it's still to be determined based on the bench scale testing okay there so and then we will do the same exercise at the plant yes different water different contaminant different you know Source yeah um so we you basically have to do that process tanks we have to do it once for the well once for the plant they're different um it's the same potential same Solutions it's activated carbon or exchange yes or something else um on that one that's the very very much the the Crux of the issue right now is I don't have the information to tell you guys but our we're in for a building and activate carbon and iron and magnes removal at the well no matter what that's going to be 10 to 12 million on the plant side we have big filter vessels already there if we can retrofit the existing vessels or even just rip them out and put back new vessels frankly that answer the question of both the surface water treatment rule as well as the P rule then we're done and it's much cheaper project than what we're carrying in the kind of worst case scenario budget um like what like giv some sense of magnitudes there I mean in terms of so we're carrying roughly 17ish million for the plant which includes if we have to do basically a whole new building at the plant similar to the well okay if we have to do a whole new building it's probably $6 million building it has to be designed for the entire capacity of the plant and so on and so forth if we are able to accomplish the treatment goals by just retrofitting the existing filters within the existing building that's a gut job of what's there and put it back and we're you know in the $10 million so it's significant maybe not 50% savings but like very you know 75 for sure yeah so that's a that's a big number and that also goes to the 6 and a half% versus 4 and a half% or something like that right so these questions need to be answered and not you know short changing it they're big big deal questions uh but I will you know it's not as important I guess for you know FY 26 but I will have the information pretty close to you know January well I'll I'll have some preliminary results back in January um you know there's a whole pering process we have to submit reports of DP they have to approve process but certainly by a town meeting we will know what it is um to pretty you know certainty um so that's kind of the track we're on on P so I think we can legitimately move forward with the money we have now at the FY 26 budget that you're already showing that we will be back for whatever the design and construction needs are for everything you know the the balance of link andry as well as grle Pond um and so just kind of talking that through it seems more likely that the construction and build that of gry pond will be later than Lincoln tree which it has to be anyway because we need one line on to serving serving the town um so like this is all this is the mopo issue that we talk about maintenance of plan operations we need to continue keeping the town with water clean reliable drinking water and we will do that but that's kind of the bar that we're trying to clear so so great on this spreadsheet because we're kind of an anal can we can we break it down into the various components so that it just makes more sense so we don't lose s of it big dealing with big numbers is difficult well so might spread it out more well so if we have so each each major project and sping out year by year yeah then and then it rolls up into this master right I maybe that might be helpful okay yeah way to better understand so I guess this is I guess I'll finish on the DPW side but I kind of have another point that kind of goes along with this but um you know on DPW as you know talked about with the select board and I think with you guys as well we have a facility master plan that discusses the needs of the town in terms of the facilities uh DPW uh and I think the select board support um you know based on the last meeting um you know going forward with the DPW as uh as kind of thought out at the Upper School Street site um you know the again the planning level number that is carried in the facil master plan is what we're carrying you know in this uh budget master plan or you know Capital master plan and it will likely come down but we are not we are not there yet we need to spend the design money and do the you know alternative analysis for you know certain different criteria that are important to the town uh before we can make that commitment if you look at uh sighting assessments that we've done and as well as the phys master plan I mean there's the the actual structure you know based on square footage you know buildout is only you know in the $10 million range but then if you project it out over several years and you know started adding on contingencies and escalation especially the escalation that we've seen over the last few years then you have a $22 million Price p I cannot take that down artificially it has to be a process um and so I think that's where we're at and when we get into the real nuts and bolts of the design I am much very willing to you know go the extra mile in that process to look at alternative buildings envelope uh you know Renewables different uh Capital life cycle analysis de know that we're going to have to do so like I think there's a path forward there where it's not a $22 million job but I'm not I'm not in a position right now to tell you it's not um and so I think you know what gr showing in the P you know the capital master plan if you will is you know kind of what we should expect until otherwise determined you know based on the engineering that we that we're doing but we could theoretically have a pause between the design and natural construction right right well that that's what I was going to get at as far as I know we're out of compliance at Lincoln Street but grav Pond is getting there but it's not as bad we're talking about DP W garage now oh well I mean so we have a fiveyear timeline to be in compliance what I was thinking yeah but what I I'm sorry but I'm sorry we were talk but before we were talking about the water and I wanted to just say that rval might be something that we can put off I know the design right now but because Lincoln Street's out of compliance and we want to do that now but graval might we might look at where some of these zeros are and project it out that far because of it's not that far out of compliance right now right well that's why we want to bring not that far out of compliance term the term is we have five years to be in compliance ised the new federal I mean we're technically not out of compliance until five years from now but the numbers are over the okay so we do need action yeah because a couple years ago that was showing increase but it was below right that was before they changed the r so that's why we so we comply with the original state W okay so they both been changed okay but then like I guess what I would say you know on all of our projects we we can put the pause break like I could go up tomorrow and put the pause on Pleasant Street you know we don't need to but like there there's always the opportunity to not award a contract or not uh you know continue with a um project that isn't going to to either solve the problems that we're trying to solve or you know not at our price um but I think it would be a mistake to pause it now until we know what the costs are and what the potential are yeah our reaction is that the way this has been laid out is that the the additional cost for fiscal year 27 28 and 29 is awfully high and so the question is is can we down adjust the numbers so those percentage increases are not as high part of that is being more realistic on when the building's actually going to be completed as to when we have to start paying for this is assuming we're going to be paying 1.4 million for the DPW Garage in fiscal year 27 one 1 so and I think I heard that's that's where we yeah so that's all we're asking is to look at this realistically to say okay yeah will it really spread out a little later so second I can sit there yeah and talk to each project and talk about design right base One Construction face construction and see when the full impacts of those bom is hit right oh but I mean on the flip side we could start them you know in FY 26 and we could still do that do that process and not have it hit the tax rate until then we we need the that's what I think I told the guys when we sat down is what what really holds me up and stops this train from really taking off is not having the available funding at the specific time that we need it because I don't I don't need to spend it but I need it approved town meeting or you know whatever other bars there are to clear that's the hard part for me I think it makes sense to pursue at least schematic design to understand you know that looks at the various options uh for the garage and um and and then you know have those options estimated so that we can then you then we can be in a more better information of what to project in terms of budgeting that we talk about the time I strongly agree with what just said because I think Andy that would give us the data to be able to also think about timing because I think that's what Sarah's asking about Mar measure we know what the options are what they cost focus in on what the timing issue and that's a little bit more specific than what I thought I heard you say Chuck just in terms of looking at a preliminary design phase before a decision can be made for the design to that finalized but does that make sense or yeah what are you thinking I'm not sure yeah no I mean what what you're saying makes sense I have I have no problem with it but like you could you could also do it the other way where and maybe this is a second exercise that Greg and I do but you could also do it you know what what is the kind of allowable per year and I think that's what in my mind at least what what GRE has put together on the P Baker and you know we could we could accelerate or decelerate at any time to meet our goals and so if the if the goal is not 6 and a half% 5 and a half% or 4 and a half% I can also put these pieces together over that fiveyear plan and that would help me to actually pull it off but the idea that we sop right now because there's no more available funding until you know we go and I'm not saying right now like tonight I'm saying over the course of the fiscal years yeah just seeing things get kicked down the the road is what's setting us back you know I mean so like I just want to be cognizant of that as well so I have no problem with what you're saying and pulling it off but I also look at weren't saying kick it down the road no no no I'm I'm more saying you know speaking to the point that you were making about you know I and I agree for now we don't know what the build design is going to be so we don't know what the cost is and so it makes sense to project a conservative number there that we know covers our bet and until we get to the point of understanding which design option is best you know maybe we're you know building quanin huts for the for the trucks or something like that I don't know but some you know sort of cost-effective option there that might dial it back a little bit and still accomplish what needs to get accomplished and so the other thing you know I don't know how deep and I we mentioned this before I mention it to the full committee and other places but you know this is where it might be helpful to have instead of doing it you know at your finom meeting every you know other week or whatever have a facility committee you know that would be comprised of a fincom member selectboard member you know multile to kind of help us shepher these decisions as they come through because it does me no good to do a full facility master plan and then you know kind of get that going and then kind of pull it back um well and I would say and so to kind of things that like you're saying like you know we know the Quant H or not like doing the facility master plan that we laid out also gives us additional flexibility because we really are not building out on the same site and therefore there's no need to build out all at once so this is another thing that I've been thinking about is like you know I think we do need to replace the salt shed at the Pleasant Street location it needs to be at the new location up on School Street it is programmed into the facility master plan at that location it is part of the 22 million but we don't need to do that P particular building you cold storage salt shed uh we will get another 3 to five years out of the one that we have but it makes no sense to leave it there long term because long term it's going to be police and fire or facilities or know but until we vacate that site completely it won't be it can still be a salt ch um and so I think like there are opportunities there to do exactly what you're saying but also to meet whatever number you think we need to meet along the way um and so that's another way of looking at it and and I think what we're trying to say is we need to break the projects down more in a fiscal sense so that we can better plan how much going to cost a year rather than making the worst case scenario that we're going to need to start bonding the whole 22 million for the DPW Garage in fiscal year 27 right but the 22 million is not being bonded all at once either this spreadsheet is showing this spreadsheet is showing that we start paying for it in F50 fiscal year 27 and I'm saying well maybe only part of the project so maybe we're not paying that full amount and that's that's all we're trying to do is to realistically say okay how much do we expect to pay a year so it would be helpful at some point um to think about what you think think is for the pain threshold in terms of tax increases are are we aiming for no more than 5% annually including bonds is it is there a sense of what that that upper limit ideally is and and what should we try to work around work with I mean I think it's going to be interesting to see what the reaction is at the April town meeting after people get their increase this year that's over 4% given the large number of years we've had with under two and a half that this 4% is is the largest increase we've had in quite a while and I don't know if people are going to react to it I mean it's one thing to say it vote for it at a top meeting there another thing when you see a little tax bill um and I just I don't I don't know I mean there's certainly to me there hasn't been a lot of push back no from town residence on tax increases so it's hard to know what the Tipping Point is but I just think this increase coming it'll be interesting to see with the increase coming and I have no idea what's happened to assessments and how evenly it's going to be spread across town you know um what the the push back's going to be for people if there's going to be any it's hard to know yeah that's the challenge we have yeah bit of a guessing game one thing that's different here than Municipal projects I'm familiar with is usually an agency will um fund the design and then Bond the construction um when you start bonding design and construction the the scope starts to get more vague um so I mean if we can somehow in our operating budgets look at advancing the design until we get a project and then we can bond that project vote on it and have it pay off you know in successive years instead of the the way that this is being proposed to to get the bond now and say oh we're going to allocate it later we kind of lose control of what year is going to be what what tax rate whereas if we do it if we can advance our design and then do Bond the construction um I think that's how it's more commonly the question is can you do the C the design with a capital exclusion in the short term but I don't know right so so so for 26 that's how I show doing like a 50% design effort on the DPW garage using using the bond 660,000 no so how F does that get the design so if it if it goes forward in a sort of you know smack design look at options discuss options and make a decision I mean the discussing and making a decision probably takes a little time before they can be authorized to finalize yeah that's what I'm saying like especially if it's not available until you know another to meeting that's what that's what's kind of gives us yeah the AR so I you know Al altern so if if it doesn't if that if that pause between schematic design and detail design is you know doesn't want to be a doesn't want to be a physical meter I get it um but it's could be a couple of months you know before everybody sort of agrees on the path forward yeah um but then you know so it probably would make sense to allocate that money unless design design has started you know it sort of overlaps a fiscal year or something like that um but it would make sense to authorize you know or think about appropriating and author or authorizing the design fee and then having control over how it's FL out separate out the actual construction that's right exactly absolutely yeah can I just make a comment um about bonding and borrowing um one thing I've seen other communities do is authorize you know say a whole project um but then depending on the timing of how everything goes they ban it every year because they can ban it every year for up to 10 years so a ban is a bond anticipation note which is good for one year um so that kind of funds the project as it's going until the project is complete and then they borrow for it and sometimes they find that you know after the first year if they ban it and they say okay well we took out a million say but you know we we got in like $200,000 worth of free cash extra that we weren't expecting let's pay down the band to 800,000 and so that in the end you won't have to borrow as much so I just want to throw that as another option because we're talking about borrowing and like having complete Debt Service like right away but you can you can extend it out so it's not such a huge hit in the beginning does that make sense Andre I have a question on that which is so you're say saying authorize the whole project and then control it through the annual borrowing process yes like how how you how you borrow for it want to be sure I understood it yeah because I can't go out and say you know we have a $20 million author um authorization you know the bar um the financial advisors they they have all these rules that we have to follow that we have to make sure that we spend all that money within 3 years of doing a a full General obligation Bond um so a lot of times these projects go a little longer than that um because you just don't know about timing um so they they ban for it so they just do a one-year ban until they're ready and the Project's complete and then they borrow for it that's kind of what the school did for the elementary school so like you know looking at like past for example like I feel like that would lend itself very well to that um as so in dvw but you know frankly for for pet like you know we know it's gonna happen over the next five years so we have to be in compliance and I do know that you know and I I appreciate that there's like a lot of you know wiggle room between the 16 17 million and the 10 million and you know where we end up plus we have outside cash that we think will be available between settlements and grants and whatnot so you know that's a that's another thing where like if we got a grant we could just pay off the ban right there right Andrea so like you don't even it would never that's right but I can't get there until we pay for the design and you know anticipate and I can also you know this is on our end you know we can we can make a a bid period you know 90 days six months like we don't have to award a contract until you know that couple months that you said it would be nice to have to you know before we all agree or you know whatever so like either during the bid process after the bid process like there there are built in months of time that we have no matter what so if we were having that time coincide with you know whatever other conversations you'd have or you know talking with Andrea and you you guys as select board in terms of you know do are we ready to go this next step like that that's easily done but we can't easily get there until all the authorization is you know implied well and and I think that yeah I think there's a difference between the authorization piece in the planning out meeting that I think that's what we have to distinguish between yeah that's a center piece of what you've been saying in this conversation right yeah because I think it's very confusing to people we authorize a big number I mean we had it with the school just was it a year ago or how many years ago did we authorize a memorial school and then a couple of years ago the final piece doesn't hit the tax rate until hit the tax rate and years ler right and that's very confusing to people so the extent to which we can better explain it up front to people what pieces will be paid when and and how it might impact the tax rate knowing that the end date is still an unknown as far as when the general bonds will be issued and the has control of that I didn't know we had 10 years we could pay bands yeah so could you explain the projected tax increase line why is it all in the first three years and then nothing after yes why is um I mean bonds are for are to avoid a tax increase because you can you just pay the interest in the operating so no we pay when we issue a general Bond we pay both principal and interest right as an exclusion do typic right but the ban would be interest only well so you're not paying more interest because you're not getting down principle it's the disadvantage of long BS multiple of BS but Dage it as well soing the reason why you don't see additional tax increases later on is because of the other Revenue sources that will be increasing particularly our liabilities coming offline in mid mean bonds are getting paid off pension that's right yes and paying off liabilities yes okay and and then we have I'm also showing the the new tax Reven from CST has being as well um and so yeah again we can push some of these projects off so that there're smaller numbers up front but but it won't be zeros where they're at understand so if if you look at um under Revenue if you look it's line 17 on the spreadsheet it's retiree liabilities fully funded and reallocated that right so so if you go to 35 FY 35 I'm showing that $1,500 1.5 million that's going towards those liabilities no longer having to do that and now that money becomes available to pay for bonds right and that's OPB that's that's OPB and it's pension Oh I thought we were on track to pay off opep earlier we lost that it's 33 34 okay I was a little conservative here I thought we were paying extra so it was going to be like 32 if we stopped paying extra OPB I think will be done okay okay the pension isn't they keep spreading extending yeah we're not as much in control of that right supposed to be an extra six or s% for like five years and like there two days so then you see again you know by by the mid-30s a lot of all the existing debt that we have on the books today except for the one we just authorized this current year those all get paid off and so that frees up it it grows over time but it really jumps in 34 35 when you got 1.2 million that you can reallocate new bonds problem is we can't wait that to start and you know I don't I don't want to get into like project specifics you know project by project but you know we have a backlog of $40 million worth of pipe work you know we're not doing that over the next five years or 10 years and so like you know I I can definitely see like I I really do think it's important to get tap in and benett done sooner rather than later um But like after that when we're doing Summer Street Summer Street is you know gonna be A10 million project we're not going to do that all at once so we could make that you know 101 million projects or you know five2 million projects you know each year and so there is a lot of flexibility in the rest of the capital as well in my opinion at least for you know pipe and stuff that I'm in control of um you know I think it so I think it it will work out but we got to kind of kick that roll that ball forward and that's what we need to be cognant of just so that you know we're not yeah so I I mean I could fully expect sitting down with you guys in you know five years from now and saying Chu we're not doing any more pipe because we just did all these things and they're just now coming in on the books and you know we put it off here something like that I mean I'm I'm going to try and work it so we don't have to but you know there there are kind of some Escape hatches along the way but I mean if we back in could we support a 2% override every four years for 12 years like this is a debt exclusion so it's not an override per se well he's asking what what the percent what's a tolerable increase right but so I'm like trying to back in from that first just to see and I don't think we know yeah I mean we're just pulling numbers out of the air as far as I'm concerned um I mean the money you know we're we're here to talking about M this is a v but like the projects need to go forward soon or around late I don't want them to wait 12 years I mean it's helpful to see these kind of projected out such as they are you know yeah this is a great to about those numbers uh that's next and it also will be impacted by whether or not we lose Grant state state gr so I'm a little confused about but what's happening now is the state is getting more federal grants and the state is controlling the allocation out to the towns so that's at risk too if they're taking Federal you know in effect federal funds convering them state grants and then if they do willy-nilly on what the criteria are for their I don't think it'll impact past but I think the rest of it it's definitely a fair game I would hope it so I'm not quite sure where have we gotten to on Andy's comment as has proposed about the design Moving Forward Design options moving forward on we need more details okay we don't know what the cost of the design is yeah okay okay thank you I just want to know where we got to that's yeah I'll try another version or two of this of this spreadsheet that shows you know can I can I keep it no more than 4% for bonding I don't know let see so that would mean six six and a half gr it hit probably should keep dredging as a separate line too and version but that's that's what I'm taking away maybe public safety building and Town Hall rehab should be two separate lines to Y I think the more detail we have the easier it is for us to figure out numbers not Sarah do we have any new information relative to the school project in essic is that all and on comme gives us any new news on nothing relative to budget that's uh that we're going to know about anytime soon the pro they um right now I think there's a meeting with the msba on December 12 and that's where we finalized this nine Monon period that we've been in for which leads up to starting the design process that and that was the project that we authorized at the last town meeting that yes 900 ,000 or what it was 600 600 what whatever the number was but that will be completed by then that's a what's I'm sorry I've lost track what that's called uh feasibility feasibility so so it's um really haven't we're just about to start that so next steps after the meeting with the msba are hiring an OPM so that's owner's project manager and uh and then once they're on board we'll then uh you know start the you know the process for hiring the design team and then we get into the three chunks that make up the and that'll take until roughly when did you estimate so that'll be um I think so if we hired an architect in so spring that's in March I think it's probably you know probably at least n months or so for them you know so maybe there's a vote at Springtown meeting on Project 2026 26 yeah yeah yeah so for FY 27 right yeah so do you think we I think it's a it's at least a year and a half maybe a couple of years it depends on whether they a lot you know depends on whether they do a project on the current site or whether they do something somewhere else I know they were interested had something somewhere else in town and and the town and you know State also you know makes you do makes you look at three different project types during that feasibility design phase is just code upgrades of the existing building which is not likely because the the classroom spaces don't mean current teaching criteria that the skate has um the other is uh an addition renovation and then uh say for example they decide to keep the gym and another part of building just add on classs and and then the third would be new construction which is the most like most likely yeah because there's you know a lot of code upgrades that have happened in you know over the decades that the building been there and there's a lot of structural enhancements size M upgrades that would be required that that they were basically what priced out the any sort of renal ad on off sounds exactly like DPW the process well I mean yeah yeah and I don't know is I know the St which is why we need the pieces broken down schol was broken down the state was thinking about starting a similar project to the msba for other like Town facilities buildings is that launched yet I haven't been following it but it it never made it pths committee oh it did so there's talk about resurrecting it in the new okay cycle but name's okay um what did Rockport get for its garage where did it got funding where did it come from got funding from the state yeah I'll have to double check is it specific was it not sure okay I thought the latter but directly I thought it was too but not I'm not 100% sure we can find out yeah because it was concern by on social media whether it's true or not that they would lose the fun they'd receive for the DPW garage if they didn't pass 3A I just was curious where the money came from that was that risk might not be a risk may people just might be saying that but just a sign I know I came up at the last meeting on you know kind of the DPW site potential site on School Street um we will be doing borings and some survey there um we will look a lot closer at kind of the lower area on the very corner of Outwater and school for yes potential Public Safety yes you know whether that goes at the same time or even know 10 years from that could could work at least you know looking at it so we'll do some diligence there the other thing that was mentioned at one point was sweey Park and potentially you know Finding Fields elsewhere and doing something there with the public safety um based on the uh because we are looking at a field renovation there right now even a field reservation is almost impossible um based on the wetlands and coach and buffer zones um it really is filled in Wetland and all of the soils there are well um so the public safety is not feasible from an engineering sense or not feasible from like conom won't let it happen I you know maybe you could strong on local concom but I don't think D even if you raised up the building it's in the Muff there's no chair all the saying for like field renovation project yeah the field renovation project we think we can still fit the em but it won't be what we had envisioned when we set out you know in terms of like M make dra yeah it's just impossible and so that will be a it will be hard to do as a field project it would be impossible to do as a public safety or something else oh just we we have kind of been looking at all options that you go through but it's just it's tough I mean because all the houses is over in the like Raymond Street area around they just force them to raise them up to 14 feet elevation yep we do a renovation and Butler that's that's Clos just it up that's stge is the issue there right yeah that's you don't have okay so we got some work to do start we get back to you some scenarios in more details yeah the successive overrides three years in a row would definitely be hard bur so we're trying to avoid that I'm just counting on the fact my assessment build building now the one on the other side they're H ramming again they raming it's down is it too early to to do um Revenue projections for uh SLV to help with this I mean it's too early yeah that's that's going to appeal be appealed into the court and going to take years and a few years to go the hope is that along the way either it will become not financially feasible for him or somebody will buy them out that's that's very up in the air or it will be reshaped in any way it but the CST is see we have programed yet we're hoping PL W get soon before the variance runs out on December 12th or 21st or something sometime in December I to the for minut so Greg you're in the process right now I think of CRA crafting together with various department heads the operating budget for the next fiscal year right with the intent that we would like to see the books in December meeting okay anying for that that's still a Target second meeting of December yes is that the meeting with the select board yes it is 16 December 16th Monday the 16th yeah okay I just wanted to check in on Y and then Andrea is I touched face with Andrea and she's working on what she can come up with for a working format for us to I know you going to meet be Department as far as the budget layout yeah no another question library is that 270,000 based on the where are you looking oh Capital the um so year on CIP 26 through 30 fiscal year 26 Capital report yes okay FY 26 Capital Improvement plan from great okay we had uh 270,000 for the library them is that related to the study that we're doing is like anticipating an outcome or so that assumes no so what you see in the five-year Capital plan for the library assumes that they are not awarded Grant design in a new project so it assumes that we have to make repairs to what's 270,000 for FY 26 that's well the restroom changed from 200,000 to 70 what a bargain that's just the design oh okay we're to 400,000 in the next year and some of that not the restroom but some of the other stuff can come from CPC like restoring windows and doors yeah good spend the 700 Grand on that the building used every day so what we saying the Sweeney turf fields numbers coming down not to say that yet they took it out right it's 50,000 for next year this year oh I see okay the request to 29 okay got it yep got it I keep this request F always gets me screwed up you look at that and it's like do we have a total price on a new pumper for the fire engine fund I know that's the next yeah 900 900,000 we need three years of 300,000 exactly so we buy a lot of truck for 1.4 00 that's quite a hit in successive years just keep is much bigger it's got a ladder that goes up and down and it's pretty yeah yeah how's it deal it was down from .5 right a left over we got no it was a demo we let them keep it for three months to show other people impressive it's it is pretty lot stuff going on I thought that the read part was all going to be paid for by grants or something no Town money it's requested not recommended but I'm just yeah he put it in there it yes it is that's okay okay oh so that that number is a different number that's for raising way as it comes into the F Fe okay but do you raise the whole park because I mean it's at the level of the that's oh I see what you're saying okay yeah yeah it went under January but we don't use it in January oh I but then if you have a walkway from the masomo park acoss those floats over to behind Town Hall then you'd use it year round is that one of the things they said about the climate resilience and the anding Mas yeah these boardwalks you walk Harbor walk I think it's called of the little floats by the boat ramp you will not get me walking the boat ramp typ float all around the harbor now what boat are we replaced the What boat we replac especially at that price time so so um that that's a replacement of all the bats all the boats well no not the ls the safe boat the safe boat was supposed to last us for a while we haven't had it very long have we or have we years it's a very expensive boat to sucks the gas gas gas we just get new engines that are efficient yeah but this is more than just an engine issue this you want the the whole too this are boat replacement um you know I would save the deta conversation with bu okay talk about it he prepared an overview of this [Music] but there are issues with thef you get all these deals and they turn out not to be deals but then if we sell it now we can make more money now than later what Andrea I said if we sell the safe boat now uh we'd make more money on it than later showing about 57 30 in grant money how much did we pay for that boat initially Andrea thought it was a freeb no you play discounted what is this boat storage I'm not familiar the structure boat storage structure so basically that's a quasset Hut up at the at the water water PL so work on the design of the assuming of the dve oh so it'll be okay do we have a huge clean up eff there we haven't done anything but they're they been cleaning up all the stuff that was there is pretty much gone um might be gone as of today okay there's still some finish compost up there and some composting compost up there but it's been uh are they still seagull no they're all gone okay take the food away and rest I mean I don't know maybe you guys have seen I haven't noticed any at the at Pine Street so I think they're I think they're G I think it's because it's undercover that there no seagulls there I mean I was the intend all along so like I think it's playing out I had to close my sunroof whenever I went to the school Street want to make sure that didn't Splat inside my car so any more questions on the capital right now anything that we want great to research or anything so so in terms of sort of what I call the regular Capital yeah you want to start bringing in to go over your areas thought well so the facilities f we have a meeting on November 21st that's our next meeting is that be with I think it's with Essex fincom I need them to confirm that I don't have confirmation and then I think we have a meeting on December 4th I recall properly no [Music] no December 4th is Wednesday it's the first Wednesday in December de second yeah so de December 4th the fincom was going to meet and then we were going to meet joint with select for on the 16th for the budget so we would have December 4th to do deep Dives on Capital and maybe November 21st depending on I just have to nail down the S6 finom CU that's the only meeting we have in November people had troubles we had troubles with schedules in the and then we start meeting we don't start meeting weekly in 2025 until January 8 you got to reprieve this year because New Year's Day is on a Wednesday and then it's usually right after that that we start meeting with each department yeah well on the eth we'll kind of set out the overall schedule okay so we done with capital tonight for tonight okay you need anything else from us in cap okay thanks you're good thanks CH thank you um next is Le's on updates do we have anything we have [Music] anything okay kind of waiting special town meeting warrant articles do we have to do anything else no okay so there are there are four articles okay there's the CPC request the 250 for the land conservation deal there's the old Bill yep which alen told me I get to move and speak on the old bills and a secret select board meeting at 800 a.m. it was posted it wasn't secret but an 8: a.m. meeting behind the dumpster that was very R so there's that and then the third one is the storm water amendments to the storm water oh yeah you took no position on that one right and then the last one is the the three okay okay just those things so um no no petion or anything good came in um they are pushing out the shortterm Zone short-term rental efforts for for theual and something to keep in mind on the Adu that people keep forgetting is it only applies to single family yes so we need to extend it to all zones that's the warrant printed with the exact wording yeah uh it'll be in tomorrow's paper Okay post to as well okay we don't have any meetings to minutes to approve right I didn't get any none that I'm aware of the last I saw was the 18th yeah me too September 18th because I checked so we don't have the October 16th minutes is that correct Gil that is correct okay thank you one second yeah you need the second too okay I'm trying to unscramble those okay you have to Mo no till November 21st thank you um so our next meeting is scheduled for November 21st and um what should we put on on that if if the S6 finc come does not come should Capital just review what you anticipate talking about with no clue that's a good update schol school I mean I assume but nothing and what I'll do is I'll push I'll push B a little bit to see if it's going to be on and then I'll send out to people what his agenda items are get input from people as to what other yeah but Ben is the one bushing this oh that's okay yeah so I don't know why he resigned his chair I didn't quite understand what happened there that's okay yeah so otherwise we could you know potentially talk to buy about oh okay okay so we'll have we have updated projections more detailed information on [Music] okay stting on trucks okay [Music] so we had talked with Chuck about a particular approach of doing schematic design and then sort of understanding options getting priced out make a decision and then and then for the facility for the biget for the facility yeah um and it would just be good to know if in the budgets that we end up talking about at the next meeting whether the proposed action plan is different yes you or just what it is yes yes yeah we'll make sure that we sink up yeah annual of facil yeah okay yeah that would be great anything else we need do you have anything else we need to cover gr we're good on Staffing Town Hall yes yes good the next next steing change would be C Eng okay makes his retir for okay y we put the review of the FY 25 again the next meeting too so we can get into that spreadsheet a kind an agenda item what do you want the the review that quarterly report that we just got the other day yeah maybe look have another look at it on uh the next meeting meeting so we can go through all the you I didn't have time okay just to have a little I think it's an important spreadsheet with a lot of information I would like to so there are things that you didn't bring up tonight that you'd like to discuss about I yes I I looked at a couple of things I'd like to really say yeah yeah because I I think that the the only thing we're looking at with respect to the quarterly spreadsheets is where we stand year to date on the current budget tring yes okay and that is different from the conversation we'll have when we do the fiscal year 26 budget which is looking at 25 versus 26 so I don't want us to get into those discussions when we're looking at the quarterly reports okay I want to I want to save those from when we're actually doing the budget and have the numbers to compare because I think it's important that we do look at year to date information and unfortunately we won't have the second quarterer report until after we've started the budgets because it won't be done by January 8th okay with that I'll take a motion to adjourn second take a vote team yes Peter yes Tom Andy yes s vot yes thank you very much all right night all