Hi. >> Um, it being 6 o'clock, I'm going to call a meeting of the Manchester Planning Board March 9th um to order. And um, let's see. We have Ryan Fry. >> Yes. Here. >> Sue Filbert here. Sarah Clayton present. Chris >> here.
>> And Gordon Brster here. >> And Peter Morton >> here. >> Okay. Um, >> great. Uh, >> what? >> I think Sandy will be here. >> And Sandy will be here shortly. Um and
um Isabelle Nancy Garvey is not available and I'm not sure about Isabella, but I think we're good. Um so um is anybody uh from the Miller um ANR
here? Ted Miller? Is that Ted? Oh, okay. Um we have just uh give us a moment here. We have um an amendment to the um plan
of the ANR that we prepared for the um estate of W. Merritt Miller for Brookwood Road. We approved it. This is the um parcel up behind um uh um
Brookwood. Um and we approved it as a um two lot uh or several lots and it spanned um plans are it spanned uh Manchester and Beverly and so I believe correct me if
I'm wrong Ted if um when you went to the Beverly planning board they identified a problem with um a missing lot line that is also the border between Manchester and Beverly Is that correct? >> That's correct. And sorry, can you hear
me? I was on mute there for a minute. >> Yep. >> Okay. Um, correct. So, the original plan, um, the plot that is carved out remains the same. Um, but the two remaining lots, one in Beverly and one
in Manchester, needed to be corrected. The, uh, the drawing incorrectly had a line that, um, cut across the Brookwood Road. uh we removed that and now the lot the remaining lot in Manchester now it's
it's kind of strange but it goes along the road and kind of curves around underneath the lot that has been carved out and >> sorry look at the plan here >> okay >> this line has been added so now where
this little parcel was part of this in Beverly this is now part of this and you can see so this is the old plan that's Um I'm going to switch you guys. >> So now we have a vote. >> Now you have you look at what there was
and you look at what you here >> and the um acreage has been um amended. >> Exactly. Yeah. So we just needed to hopefully correct that and then make sure that the acreage was accurate. Um >> and yeah.
>> Okay. So with that, I'll take a motion to approve the plan of land in Manchester by the Sea and Beverly, Massachusetts prepared for uh the estate of W. Merritt Miller for Brookford Road prepared by Leblanc
Survey Associate Stanbur's Mass. So dated uh sorry dated uh this should show up amended uh dated uh 12 22726 um
as a uh endorse it as a not a subdivision he will not require. So the question I have for you um so I had Sue moved >> right >> and do I have a second? >> Second. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Um is this the proper way according to
uh Isn't the plan have an amended date? >> There should be a revision date on the drawing that you're referring to right now. >> Is that the 227 >> that says that the plan was the 20 What's the date on that plan? >> One. >> Yeah. So there's nothing to distinguish
this plan besides the surveyor's date. What's the surveillance date on that one? >> 1110. >> Sorry to be picky here, but um the plan your your engineer should absolutely be uh dating this as a revised date.
>> Yes. So, I'm going to um amend our motion to say um in consultation with our planner and the the client to identify the plan um with a revision date of October of a >> a 2026 revision date. I don't know what
the date was that it was revised. Um >> would it also be would also be a good idea just to bubble the changes were made from this to this on the document? Yeah, I'm less worried about that. But I want to make sure that >> we can have to do what we did. >> Right. Right. Well, the file can perhaps
redo that. Do that. But >> did you submit any kind of a narrative to when you did this? >> A narrative to whom? I'm sorry. >> Did you submit any um amended uh application or anything that indicates what this change was?
>> Uh no. I definitely talked through it with Mark and his guidance was um to get the change on the myar and and bring it to this committee. Um that that was it. >> Okay. Mark's joining us by um Zoom and
Sandy. Welcome. >> Hi. Thank you. >> Um Mark, uh we have a two plans that have the same uh date preparation date. Um so can we what do we need to do about that? There needs to be a revised date on
there and then simple change bubble showing that the changes were. >> Yeah. >> Uh yeah, the um there should be a revision date on the plan. So uh that's probably something the surveyor should add to the plan and then uh it can get
signed. >> Yeah. And I know you just had Beverly sign it, but they should have >> Okay, >> that so um we'll take a motion to approve it. uh and that the signature will be will be uh affixed to a um plan
that shows a revision date and um at least a narrative saying application that says what we're doing here so that the the record shows um what was done preferably a set of bubbles that show what the difference is but um okay you
need to accept that motion amendment soon >> yes >> and Brian seconded >> Brian okay any other discussion All in favor? >> I unanimous. Thank you. All right. Sorry to take time for >> Can I just Can I just make sure I may
I'll follow up with Mark tomorrow so I know exactly what I should do. >> Okay. >> Okay. You need to look at the property plan. That's the bottom line. >> Highlight the provisions. Sorry to be a pain, but you you'll thank us later when
these are register. We don't know which. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay. Um, thank you. Uh, I didn't um ask if there's any public comment for Matt. It was not on the agenda.
>> Um, okay. Seeing none. Um, now I'm going to ask for a motion to open the continued public hearing for 22 Union Street LLC and the 22 Union Street um, special permit. Got a motion?
>> So moved. >> Second. >> I'll second. >> Okay, I need a roll call. Sandy, >> yes. >> Ryan, >> yes. >> Yes. >> Sarah votes yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, so now we're in the public hearing. Um, welcome back, Chris Vance.
And, um, remind me of your name. >> Peter. Wait. Oh, sorry. >> Peter. Thank you. Um, okay. So, oh, sorry, Peter Morton. I forgot to ask you to vote to open the public meeting. >> It's okay. I'm in with you. Yes, >> you're voting. Thank you. >> I don't even see your face.
>> And Sarah Adam Sarah Adam Zagger's here on behalf of the applicants on on on Zoom as well. >> Okay, great. Zooy kind of day. Um, great. Uh, somehow I can't see everybody. That's the problem. Um, all
right. So, um, Chris, you submitted a, um, land revised landscaping plan and, um, a storm water narrative. Um, maybe you can
summarize those for us to start with. I'll start with the landscaping plan. I'll let Peter pick up the water. Ham's opening up the >> Do you know? >> Yeah. >> Is your revised landscaping plan far the
packet? It was in the folder where there were bushes there became pivoting says but he'll pull out. Okay. >> You guys see that? >> No. Great. Uh yes, we did make some uh
revisions to the landscape plan um at the recommendation of Mark uh with couple of um species that we thought were thought was not appropriate for um the landscaping scheme that we had previously presented.
Um so we did revise it. Um we ended up taking out some of the shrubbery along um Union Street uh to and supplemented it with perennial flower gardens. Um this would allow for um some snow
storage uh which with the larger shrubs wouldn't allow for during the winter season. Um and the shrubs would also present an issue as they grew for visibility in sight lines. So particularly at the corner here where um
the access drive meets Union Street, we took out the the shrubbery in this corner and and put in Flower Garden. Um then we also made some additional changes up here between our property and 36 Union Street. Um so that we would
provide additional screening and also leaving some room for a screened uh trash area and also more uh snow removal and u snow accumulation space up on the the gravel driveway. >> We've also exchanged the elm for an
arbive. Is that correct? >> Yes, correct. Okay. Um, any comments or questions about the landscape plan? Um, um, okay. Why don't you go on to the storm water plan for the moment?
Um currently one second detail she thanks Uh, just for the record, I got Pete Blaz, the uh, civil engineer from Williams. Um, so nice to see you again. It's been four weeks. Sorry about the snow. I know you like to ski, but what do you got to do?
>> I'm tired of shoveling. >> So, um, so we last met on February 9th. Um, and we had some questions about the drainage system and, um, couple other questions came up. Uh so uh we had a a team's call with uh with Chris and myself and Chuck Dam on uh February 18th
and uh couple things came up that we uh actually didn't know. There's no existing drainage structures in front of this. >> That was a surprise after I read how >> I was very very surprised. Um and I was also a little bummed up because that
means we got to we got to think outside the box a little bit, but that's okay. That's that's why I went to engineering school. Um, so Chuck was actually very helpful. He was able to pull up the uh the town's GIS and um so what we decided to do um because we all agree that um
it's not a good idea to have roof down spouts just discharging across the sidewalk. I have another project in Lynn where the same thing is going on. Um so what we've decided to do is take the down spouts from the building and um we're going to discharge to
the street. And what we're going to do is if you can see this little fixture here, it's called a curballet. Um, in in places where you really don't have a lot of room to work and you don't have a place to discharge drainage. Instead of discharging it across the surface of the sidewalk, what we're going to do is
we're just going to take the the down spouts down, put a bend in them and discharge out to the uh the face of curb. So, it essentially everything's going to go the same place. Uh, it's going to go out to the gutter line. Now we don't have have we don't have to worry as much I say at all because of
this winter obviously but now we won't have direct runoff from the from the roof going right to the right to the pedestrian way on the sidewalk. It'll go right to the gut line where it would be uh normally. Um I have like I said I this has come up I don't think I've ever had to do this uh in a long time and
I've had to do this twice in the last couple weeks for a set just like this. So um the other thing uh we found out um Gordon is that the the existing trench train that's there now doesn't go anywhere. So it essentially is just acting now as
a um a sum it's just acting >> all to anything goes nowhere. >> So it overflows and goes into the street. So, yeah. I mean, um I what we just showed because I guess it's just working as a just a a little sediment catch before it hits the street. Uh
it'll have to be cleaned out. Um you know, we did we did say that what we would do um is we would extend it another section because we're going to be we're going to be increasing this radius a little bit. Um Chris just said, "Why don't we just" and Chuck said, "Why don't we just remove
the old one? We'll put in a new one. we'll extend it another section and then that way um it'll it'll be acting the same way as it was before but now it'll just be in better condition. It'll still have to get cleaned out um you know after the winter that type of thing. You can the grades come right off you can just remove them by hand. Um and then I
believe >> is the existing for those who are not engineers can you explain that a trench drain is can you explain trench strain and um what is purpose is the existing um maybe if you can absolutely we nobody can see that um
>> oh yeah expand that a little bit please help you >> oh just it's a wheel roll okay got it thank you okay so um so actually really They're actually very very useful. Uh and they're they're nothing new. They've been around for a long time. Uh
essentially it's just a a box pre-cast box in the ground with a with a iron grade on top which allows runoff to come in. Uh normally you would have a pipe that comes from here and then would discharge out someplace either to uh crush stone or it can go to grade that
type of thing or it'll go to the drainage system. In this case it's it's not going anywhere. Um, but it seems to be working. Um, so we're going to just put a new one in. >> Can I I'm going to steal the um the um
Oops. >> I'm going to steal I'm going to steal it for a second. >> I happen to have this little picture. So, we're talking about this thing right here. >> That is it. >> Okay. Just so to help everybody
understand what the heck you're talking about. So normally, like I said, um it's it's it's it's funny because we were talking to Shark and we're talking to Chris. So it's our understanding that and we were talking about the existing condition runoff >> um as it is now. It seems that all the runoff that comes off the hill goes into this building. It seeps in, goes down
below and it hits a sump pump which then discharges out. Nobody knows where it goes. We have no idea. I would have thought that this trench drain might have gone Yeah, I know. I'll be here all week. Uh we would have thought that this trench drain would have maybe then discharged into like a subsurface drain
or sometimes it'll go into like a wet well and then get pumped someplace, but it's a mystery. So the sump pump is going to be removed and that's not going to lower level it's going away anyway. >> Yeah, it's all going away. Um, so the only um uh the only thing that Chris had
said was why don't I'm sorry that uh Chuck had said was let's just put it in for now and maybe sometime in the future we might have drainage run down there because the nearest catch basin is down near school street or it's um down um >> up by >> up by yeah up the street a little bit.
Um so there's no way to get uh the the the runoff from that um trench drain anywhere except for pumping it right now. That's really not an economical thing to do with uh with storm water. >> Mark, you have your hand raised. >> Mark, go ahead.
I think he's muted. There we go. Um I'm looking at the town GIS right now. And like you said, it looks like there's a catch basin just two doors up. I don't know what remember
what that second building is. Um, you have the jewelry shop and then another building. There's a catch basin right there. So, is there a reason why Chuck is not allowing you to extend the
um maybe a total of 100 ft of drain and tie into that catch basin or the manhole that is um right at the corner um the other corner of beach there. Yeah, Mark. It's it's um it's higher
than us. We can't get there by gravity. >> Okay. So, you wouldn't be able to tie into that manhole there. >> Not without pumping it. And uh pumping storm water is not a uh >> Right. Yeah. Okay. Um
All right. >> But if you're catching it off the roof, the roof is higher than the than the >> Yeah, but you would still have to bring it down below. You'd have to bring it down below the sidewalk to get it out to the street, which then would be lower than that manhole manhole. >> Unless you collected it above the first
floor. >> Well, unless you were unless you Well, but then how do you But then how do you get it there? You have to take it down. And you still you still have to no matter what you do, you still have to go uphill. >> Have to go uphill. >> Yep. You know, and we can't run the roof run off. We can't run our roof trains across our neighbor's property or across
their building to get there. >> So, this revised drawing that you submitted, uh, it's called site plan. This is one shows the revised location of the trench drain a little further down this just in back of the sidewalk now, but longer.
>> But longer picking up everything from the >> So, because um because uh who asked us to keep a driveway? >> Uh, that was >> okay. Um we were asked to um heat the driveway just to kind of keep that I saw that. So we wanted to make sure that
we're extending the trench anyways just to make sure that we catch more runoff coming down the coming down the slope so it doesn't end up out in Union Street. >> Okay. >> It actually used to be heated. >> Did it really? >> It's steep. >> It's it's about >> it's about 16 to 18%. So it's it's
steep. Yeah. >> Um I'm gonna steal uh >> steal again. Go ahead. >> Sorry. Uh >> yeah, there it is. That's the bar. >> Um so here's the Greyhouse. Here's the catch basin. >> Yep.
>> H >> And there's nothing further down the street. >> So the next the next if you keep going that direction, the next time you hit a catch base in a drain structure down School Street >> at the intersection. >> All right. So the invert to that the
invert to that one above you is high enough above you no matter what you did you you would be still a bit below >> yeah because the trench drain it so the trench drain only has a very shallow depth. So the trench drain would have to to get it out to the street you'd have to then pipe it from the the trench drain down to the street and once you
get to the street and run it up the street you then have to go back up. So I was just think bridging off of what Mark said if you were gonna just we're not talking about just the trench train. We would talk about storm drainage from the whole building >> be to be brought up to that thing, >> right? It would be the same thing. You'd
have to you'd have to get there. You'd have to come under the sidewalk which should already be lower than that. >> But in this case the the the compromise here is that we're just putting out to the gutter line where the runoff from the existing building and site are going now anyways. >> Literally just goes down to the moment.
We're just we're just bypassing the sidewalk. We just don't want it to go under the sidewalk. Uh the trench drain is there now. Um like I think Mr. Only had mentioned. So that has a certain capacity to it. So if you get small rainfall events, it just goes in there and it it sits uh the solids settle in
there till you scoop them out. Uh if you get if you get more of a heavy rainfall, you know, as it builds up and builds up and builds up, it just it just stays full. The sediments solid out. But after the heavier rainfall, your rain starts to clear because all the sediments that have come down and then it just rides
over the top and it goes to the uh to the gutter line and then goes down to the next catch. Can I ask another question? Go ahead. >> Did this is personal question just wondering just for my information here. Did you ever consider recharging those
with storm drainage from the building into the those those landscaped areas in the front of the building? >> So they're very small. Um, and if and if you if you did that, I mean, most rain gardens, even the small ones, are about the size of this room, you know, maybe
half the size of this room. They they have a very small amount of um uh volume in them. And then after that, they have a spillway, and the spillway would then have to spill back over onto the sidewalk unless you connect it to a drain, which we don't have. >> There's no way you could put a drywall type situation below grade and feed it
into it, then leech it out over time. So, the only the only time I've ever seen anything like this, and it's absolutely bizarre, is uh the city of Boston sometimes will ask you to do what's called a vertical vertical drywall where they actually take you and make you bore down into the ground and
then put a cylindrical drywall 20 30 feet in height down in which makes no sense because most of it's on Boston play and the water doesn't go anywhere anyways. >> So, you just made up my suggestion bizarrely. >> I wouldn't I wouldn't say it's bizarre. I I actually I I'm digging. I'm digging.
>> I know you are. I like I actually like ground water recharge because it just it takes the water. >> It's just a shame to take all that water and >> unfortunately you have to have you don't really have any way to take a portion of it. The only other way to do that is you have to
take um you have to put inns and they have you know for the irrigation purposes and they're the size of a septic tank. we don't have the room for them. And then but even those have to have an overflow out to a drain line and we don't have that otherwise it's just going to back up and go right across the um sidewalk.
>> So you're not adding to the uh >> impervious >> well to the flow of water there. So whatever is happening now is working. I I think the only fear would be that you're doing going to do something to whatever is working now that's going to make it not work.
>> I I believe we're going to make it better. um only in that like I said as it is now all that runoff is coming into the building and you know we don't want that. So >> maybe >> the building's acting like a sister. >> It it actually is but that's not a very good design. >> But there may be a drywall under it
which is what's >> I I don't know. I mean I I suspect I mean >> could be drywall underneath it. Now >> I know that this area here especially when you get these it has a lot of ledge. Uh it could be >> Yeah. That'd be a mis >> I I mean, no. Broad. >> Yeah.
>> Okay, Mark, you still have your hand up. Do you have another comment? And then I have a question for you. >> Uh, no. I uh forgot to raise lower by hand. >> Okay, no problem. We all do that. >> Still still kind of look looking at the
map at the same here. My question for you, Mark, is did you talk to Chuck about this and does it comply with our new storm water >> rags? >> Um, I did not talk to Chuck about this.
Um, I don't know if this building falls under the storm water rigs. Um, because it's a smaller site. So, >> all right. Maybe >> somebody had a question earlier but either Mr. Only or I perhaps you did.
Well, so we actually are reducing the amount of inferious on the site by about 420 feet. Yeah. >> So it's not a lot. It's it it's about 10%. Maybe a little runoff. >> It's not Well, it's not it's not a lot, but at least it's it's something. >> You must get a lot of the runoff off the
hill too probably. >> So what we're doing with that is I mean at least it's coming onto a gravel parking lot that will if if there's any opportunity for ground water there, it'll it'll seep in. But we're just going to change we're just going to ever so slightly just change the grades of the of the um the back of the of the building to slope away from the building
a little bit. Kind of like your house. I mean, I'm sure you've all seen if you get two down spots come over or anything discharged towards your basement walls, it ends up in your basement. So, we want to make sure that we have positive drain away from the building and anything coming down the hill doesn't go into the back of the building. We're just going to run it down the the right of way, which most of it's going down the right
of way now, which I think in ways. May >> ask just one more question. >> Yeah. So the top of the building is nearly flat, correct? I believe >> it's roof. Top of the mansard roof is nearly flat. So you get the man. So is
that gutter? Is there a gutter around that? And then it's >> there's probably a gutter on a couple of these lower roofs too. They come down the face of the building. Nothing internal. I think he said that based on >> based on the building then it goes underground and then it meet the pip and
go house to your >> right >> your little discharge at the >> so we'd like to we'd like to spread the runoff out a little bit to three different points so we're not having like I mean it's going to come out with a pretty good amount of uh runoff but it'll be set a little bit above the gutter line and it'll be down a little
bit from the curve. So, at least like I said, people aren't going to be stepping through that during a rainstorm. At least that's the plan. >> Okay. Um the I uh was remembering that um storm water is now in the general bylaw.
So, it is uh I would think, correct me if I'm wrong, Mark, that regardless of whether we put it in as a condition or not, you are if you're if it's applicable, you are subject to it
whether we make it a condition here or not because it's a general bylaw. >> That's correct. >> Yeah. So, um I think we can uh assume and hope that the that that process will take care of itself.
Um okay. Um Adam, you want to probably concur with that? >> I just lowered my hand because you answered the question mark. Thank you. >> Okay, great. Um, can you pull up that uh plan again? Um, on the S. Well, let me
ask what other presentation material you have and then I have we I think some of us have some questions. >> That was it. >> Okay, great. If you pull up that uh sheet three of that um with the details and go to the uh bottom center sidewalk
right there. Lower >> lower. Okay. Can you um you got a lot of details in that. Can you just read those so that we can Is that That's the sidewalk. Um >> Yeah. Yep. So, this is just our our normal um
um cross-section for a a concrete curb. Actually, I did just notice that um >> I forgot to take that out. That's supposed to be vertical granite curb. So, I will make a note of that. Let me just I'm going to revise that detail. >> Yeah, that was one of my points.
because it's currently um I'm looking at the Google Earth Street View right now. Um it's currently a granite curve. >> It is. Yeah, we >> we don't want to go to that. >> That was certainly um the uh beauty of copy and paste there. >> Okay. And
so you have here a Well, why don't you tell me what you have so I don't I'm not guessing. >> So all of our details? >> No, just the sidewalk in particular. So, sidewalk is just um going to be a concrete um
concrete pore um with some welded wire mesh um good good uh borrow and captain pack subgrade below to keep it from selling and it's going to be 5 foot wide uh minimum. Um there's going to be some spaces uh along the building where the building the building is actually set
back a little bit. Um the sidewalk will probably be a little bit wider than that, but um it'll have a little pitch 2% ma um 2% max uh cross slope so that it's ADA compliant. Um pretty pretty standard concrete uh control joints
every 30 ft or so just for for cracks. Uh but beyond that, nothing too nothing too red for the uh the concrete sidewalk. Uh, as far as any of the other details, I did talk to Chuck a little bit different
>> how he wanted to have us tie in the water. So, the other the other details are just a two-in saddle for the water domestic uh the larger 4in fire joint. Just our typical standard uh water shut off box. Uh, this we've already talked
about. Uh, silk fence if if that's going to be the most u user friendly as far as the town goes. I mean sometimes people will want to use um mulch sock around it. Um hay bales apparently are a no no now because nobody likes um any of the invasives that are in there. So we usually are
using silk fence um mulch sock or a combination of on the uh on the sites. Most of this site is already kind of developed in urban anyways. So I would imagine not it's not going to be a lot of runoff and everything will be contained within the uh in the site. Um the only other thing that we would have
would be just pavement match detail which is wherever the pavement um one course meets another. Um we just put the standard detail on there just to show how the contractor can can button one up to the other. Um but other than that really not a lot of construction details
here. Everything else is more the building. >> Okay. So, um the reason I'm asking is that um our downtown improvement committee and um a future evaluation is going to be looking at sidewalk design
here throughout this whole region. And um the we want this to com to be the same as whatever our design is. And we already have some concrete poured
concrete sidewalks in the >> downtown by the post office. And I think it's more than it's much less than the 30 foot pour, right? It's a >> Yeah. >> 8 ft or >> Well, we're talking about perhaps having a different surface material than just poured concrete, right?
>> Does that make a difference to you? >> Um, I don't below it. >> Do you have details of what you're trying to do? No. >> We're It's a work in progress. Could be could be a brick inlay inside the concrete. >> Oh, okay. More of a um
>> you may have a concrete base mud slab, but may you have a brick on top. >> Oh, okay. >> Possible. >> Um >> it could be a brick edging. >> Yes, could be. It's I concrete is, you know, usually the universal one, but they're trying to make something a little more um I mean
like concrete breaking or you know, they have their own kind of how they want their sidewalks to view. It's kind of hard for us to spec anything if you don't have the detail yet though. Um >> clearly. Um >> do you do you want to just say that? Um well this way. Do you know when these details details might be done?
>> Well, we still are No, not yet. But but hopefully before you pour us pour concrete sidewalk. >> We'll be but you'll be working for at least a year. >> Yeah. >> My hair didn't get white from just, you know, hanging out. Um you want to have a condition that says uh we can do poured
concrete or approved equivalent. Um, >> so what if it's a pled concrete within which your pipe is embedded, but then we have a surface material over the top or architectural look. >> I mean, we're going to we can figure out >> Yeah, I'm sure you can figure it out, too. This is not rocket science.
>> Sorry, Isabella had a question or comment. >> I uh I don't I don't think there's any plans for trees along this particular stretch here. I've been very impressed by the impeous uh changes that are sidewalks are being made to accommodate trees.
>> No, really. I mean, it's a whole change of sidewalks with pvious around the tree, but there are no trees here, right? >> There aren't any there aren't any. And normally, I would say I would be okay. Like, for instance, I'm doing one in Boston right now, and Boston has a whole bunch of rules, and all their tree boxes are four by six feet,
>> but they're but the sidewalks are 10 ft wide. >> Here, the sidewalks are 5t wide. You'd have the kind everybody have to turn the side shimmy around a tree. >> Yeah. So I think in a perfect world I'd like to see I don't know other comments
on this but I'd like Yeah. Um >> yeah. Um if you look at um condition 16, >> um says uh after exterior construction is completed and prior to occupancy, the sidewalks along the front of the property shall be reconstructed to the
sidewalk standard in effect at that time. So, I put that in there so that if we do change the sidewalk standard that they have to construct it to that uh >> to that as opposed to what's shown on the plan. So,
>> fine with us. >> Okay, great. And then the second piece of that is um that um I go back to my little um image which came right out of Google Street View. >> Oh, yeah. >> Um I'll steal that back.
>> Go ahead. Uh the other thing I think we want to make sure that um is done and I was glad to hear you did it. You you mentioned uh um ADA compliance. We're going to want to make sure that this uh area can you see
my you know at the entrance that is currently not ADA compliant because of the cross of the slope. So that's going to need to be reworked which is why I asked you for the detail and the detail that I was point I always asked for the detail on the weekend and the detail
showed a a down and then a level um uh area as opposed to this slope. So is that correct? >> Which detail? >> Um I was pointed to I think it was A2. >> Yeah, this actually Oh, okay.
Um, see if I can >> Oh, from from your drawings. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Um, I can probably find it. >> We'll get there. >> So, you can get there first. >> It's on. Let's go. >> Are you bringing it up? You want me to
bring it? >> Um, you got it. Go for it. Somebody's somebody >> I think I might have to go back to the prior meeting. >> Um >> yeah, I haven't shared here the >> section through the access.
>> Yeah. So if you look that that Thank you. Um if you can zoom in on the lower door there. >> So that looks to me like um your your the pedestrian area across the bottom of the driveway. I don't know what the technical term is would uh be
flat uh ADA compliant. >> Yeah, it's a little it's a little deceiving because the curve cut before the drive slopes, you know, in two directions. So, there's the 2% crossrade sidewalk that comes in. Then you're
allowed to cut a steeper curb into the the sidewalk so that you can thrive upon it. Um and so I think the the image itself is showing you sort of on beyond. So it looks like it steps down like a two inch step, but yes it it would comply with
>> Okay. So that if we were to add an addition to 16 and say and the driveway um intersection with Union Street will meet a ADA and that this is compliant with ADA.
>> Okay, great. Thank you. Um the other piece on that is we received a comment I think was forwarded to you from Laura Tenny. Um well I'll read that in when I guess I will it's relevant to this topic. So she I think the board got that
um about uh making sure that the correct cross slope of the sidewalk and she suggested the width of the sidewalk be increased. So you did indicate that some places it would be five feet. You would >> It's already five feet. >> It's it's currently five feet. It'll
it'll be a little bit more in some places for the building to be a little bit back. >> Great. So maybe Mark we can add um that the sidewalk shall not be um less than it currently you know sidewalk shall be maintain sidewalk w maintain at current
or or greater. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And then you know beyond our property where the sidewalk comes in 36 and 38 I can't that might be not 2%. We're
going to have to meet up with that. your section. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um and she did say no no asphalt curve we're in agreement on um Okay. Any other
comments on on uh uh that piece of things landscape land and storm water and wood. Okay. Um, let's see. Why don't I ask you to stop
sharing and um, do the board have any other questions for the applicant? Um, public comments. >> I don't have a question, but I do have I have a comment about the the architectural design of the building. I think it's
>> I think it's done really well, particularly from the street side, >> but I am particularly impressed by the back of the building and the side of the building. you always don't have a public viewing at there. You treated them very well as if they were a viewable. I think
that's the same materials, same design, same detailing. I think it's I think it's terrific. Thank you. Appreciate that. >> Great. Thank you, Gordon. Any other >> I have one question. Um, will there be adequate bike storage or potential bike
rack locations on this property >> for the residential units? >> Yes. >> Yeah. They I mean I'm assuming they would have bike storage under the covered um carport or they would store their carts.
We don't have a a designated bike rack up there, but you know something that could be added. Um, okay. How about um any other questions, comments from the board?
>> I have a clarification question. >> Uh, is there a waiver request for commercial parking as part of this >> as part of the application? >> Yes. Yes. And so how does that should that be a
>> finding >> a finding or a decision as part of the special permits? >> Yes, we requested that as part of the application that uh that the parking requirement be waved. Um you know in essence there there's no real practical
uh parking now. I think we had talked at the last meeting about how even when it was commercial parking, not many people went up there because it's uh the slope. Um and also we just it's just makes so much sense to not have people that aren't familiar with that driveway going up there with residential use
only. Um you'll have folks that are familiar with it that use it all the time. We think it's going to result in a much better condition. Um and that's the basis for the waiver. >> Yeah. So I just want to make sure the waiver is is included in the >> Thank you. >> Yep. Um,
>> there's something like it on the second page. >> 34 the 34 of a draft of >> where is it on the middle? >> It's the middle down. It it says uh it's
it's the discussion that precedes after closing the public hearing. It's Vance then reviewed the parking on site with >> Right. So that that waiver needs to be acknowledged in the um decision mark.
>> Okay. >> Waiver of the 6.1 commercial parking requirements. >> Uh yes, it's not in the the last Yeah, at the very end. Okay, I'll add that in cuz it says special permits and site
plan approval, but it doesn't say add waiver of um parking requirements under section
6.1. >> Thought I had that, but okay. Okay, I'm going to um now take any public comment on the um 22 Union Street and then I'm going to walk us through very uh really good conditions so that the public knows what we're contemplating.
Um is there any public comment? Um raise your hand if you have public comment or if you can't figure out how to do that, feel free to unmute and just speak up. Gar Morse, go ahead.
>> Hi. Um, I'm a neighbor uh down few few doors down. I think this is a a very well uh drawn up uh proposal. I agree with Gordon that uh the attention to detail for the architecture including around the corner and so forth is is
excellent. So, I'm I'm supportive of uh moving ahead with this. >> Great. Thank you, G. Bry Lane. um for the minutes. Um any other public comment? >> Well, for the for the record, um I'm al also a neighbor at 33 Union Street.
>> Great. Thank you. >> Um okay, I'm not seeing any other public comments, so I'm going to just um summarize for the public and the board the conditions that we are contemplating. And for the board, that starts on page four. Um
the applicant shall submit uh the three building unit to the historic commission for a certific certificate of appropriateness and if substantial changes um it will return to the planning board. Um a construction schedule should be submitted for review.
Demolition work must be comp completed prior to June uh undated June 15th. Uh and we don't have a date there yet. And activities may only occur on weekdays
between Memorial Day and Labor Day and not on Friday, July 3rd, 2026. The building is not to be removed by June date 2026. then the demolition work cannot begin until September 8th, 2026.
Um Isabella, did you get a copy of this? Okay, great. >> Um so what's the date that we want to put in there? 15th. >> Uh yeah, sure. >> Okay. >> Well, what I mean, school doesn't get
out till the following week or so. I think you give them a little more time before the summer really cranks in. But actually some of the um like Brookwood gets out by then. I think I think there's actually MSA starting
uh that week. Let's let's I would suggest we leave it at June 15th and if the applicant >> has a hard they can come back and ask us. >> The 15th is a Monday. So >> at the end of that week >> Yeah. They wouldn't be they would either
have to do it by Friday the 12th or you give them till Friday the 19th. >> All right. >> Okay. >> The 19th. >> Yep. That sounds fine. >> Okay. >> Um exterior lighting and signage should comply with historic district commission
and requirements should be submitted for the review. Um driveway lighting shall be motion sensors and approved by historic commission. All exterior lighting should be dark sky compliant. During construction, union should be kept free of mud, dirt, and debris from
the site construction. Appropriate erosion control should be installed and maintained to prevent off-site runoff. The site should be kept clean of trash and construction debris. The dumpster shall be kept covered. Police details shall be provided during demolition and construction if to the extent required the police department
and according with it standard policies. The operation of heavy equipment, pavement breakers, or pile drivers shall be limited to the hours of 800 a.m. to 6 pm Monday through Friday and prohibited on Saturdays, Sundays, and legal state and federal holidays as set forth in the
general bylaw. Police is responsible for enforcement. The applicant will coordinate all construction activities which affect pedestrian access to the sidewalk in front of the site on the roadway with the police and fire departments. When lane closures are necessary, town halls should be notified a week in advance so public notification
can be posted. During construction or demolition activities that could be reasonably expected to affect the adjacent sidewalk or Union Street, reasonable measures should be taken to maintain pedestrial safety. Um, including but not limited to
temporary protection, various signage routing consistent with the requirements of the building inspector and or DPW. Um, probably should put an police in there. >> Okay. >> Um, any damage during construction to the roadway or sidewalks due to
installation of utilities or other construction activities shall be repaired and made safe. All work within Union Street must be properly cut, patched, sealed, infrared, and overlay with pavement is required by DPW. Work shall be inspected and approved by the DPW. After exterior construction is
completed and prior to occupancy, the sidewalks along the front of the property shall be reconstructed to sidewalk standard in effect at the time uh and in compliant. The driveway um intersection with Union Street shall be ADA and the sidewalk shall be ADA
compliant. The sidewalk width um shall be maintained at current width or wider. Um, if there is a residential home occupation used in the first floor of the building, the dedicated approximately 444 45 ft retail quote unquote retail space
on the first floor should made available for commercial use and not should be not be used for residential space use. 18. A first floor commercial space may be sold as individual commercial condominiums or may be leased or may be utilized as owner occupant.
Uh the owner of the property, which may include a condominium trust, will have the right from time to time to configure the building in strict accordance with either first floor submitted plans by the applicant. such uh such as whe where either a one or 145 square foot
commercial space and portions of three residential dwelling units on the first floor or with the entire first floor utilized for commercial purposes other than certain areas designated for convenient residential ingress and egress to and from Union Street.
Um if the first floor commercial space is included in each residential condominium each of the residential condominiums then the spaces may be utilized for commercial use by the owner for retail sales office or other commercial use allowed by the condominium documents.
In the event the property is submitted to condominium ownership with residential space in the first floor of the condominium documents shall permit the leasing or licensing to third parties the first floor with retail or office occupancy. Subject in each instance to the
unanimous vote of all residential unit owners in the condominium. Any restrictions containing the condominium containing the condominium docinance and any planning and zoning of board approvals may be required at that time. In the event the property is submitted
to condominium status, a list of allowable commercial use shall be submitted to the planning board for review and approval and the applicant shall return every six months during construction to review the progress of the development with board. Um and then
uh the addition of the acknowledgement of the waiver of 6.1 commercial um parking requirements. Mhm. >> Um any other uh conditions that the board uh feels are um important? >> I I wonder if on a number of these
especially 10, 11, and 12, there's an assumption of communication between the project and the town. And I wonder if we can if it's appropriate to ask that the uh developer designate uh a particular
person who is the contact person for >> that's the most respent was it? >> That's that's that's fine. That's >> okay. So we'll add that why don't we add that to number two. the construction schedules shall be permitted to the
board for review and the project shall designate a point person for communication. >> Yeah, that that I mean it's part of the building permit. There'll be a clerk of the works that you have to have, but um we're happy to have it be part of the planning board decision as well.
>> Okay, person. Thank you, Sandy. Okay, other comments, additions. >> I just have one thing. We said we just said a June 19th date. here to complete demolition. What what what is the status as far as contractor selection and construction
itself? That's >> um we have a contractor on board for participation decision. >> Then they're going to give us a construction schedule. >> I'm just just wondering if that's
adequate time for you to actually do it. >> Well, you don't have a building permit yet. No, but we can we can apply for a demolition permit. >> Oh, you can apply for a separate demolition permit after we get the certificate of appropriations from the historic commission.
>> Well, historic has actually already approved a demolition permit for the building uh based on the existing two-unit design. So, uh we anticipate a very quick process with them. Uh and we don't need to have a building permit before the demo. And Chris can correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand the
demo is hopefully a weekl long process. So, we're hoping to have this decision uh have the 20 there's a 20-day appeal period that has to run before we could mobilize anyone on site. Um but um hopefully we're well in advance of that uh that date. >> Yeah, we have our meeting this Thursday
with that. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Well, it didn't play. Yeah. >> Great. >> So, I just can I just follow up on on um Gordon's comment? So, just looking at the calendar, that's probably 3 months
uh that you'll have maximum once you start um demolishing. I'm I'm not a construction effort or expert. Is that reasonable in your estimation? >> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. >> Okay. >> They said, you probably didn't hear me said it would take a week.
>> Yeah, it's going to take about a week to >> So, then I guess that is reasonable. Okay. >> Um Okay, great. Um I'll uh any other comments from the public on the conditions or any other um piece of this?
Uh please feel free to sing out or anybody in the room. Okay. Um hearing none, I think what I'm going to do is uh vote to close the public uh hearing. Um, unless there's anything else people want
to say, I'm going to um vote uh ask for a motion to close the public hearing for 22 Union Street LLC. 22 Union Street special permit and site plan reviewed. >> I have a motion. >> Chris moves. >> Second.
>> Sandy seconds. Um, roll call. Gordon, >> yes. >> Chris, >> yes. >> Sarah Kraton, yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Brian Fry. >> Yes. >> Sandy Bmer Turner. It's like a quiz every time. >> Yes. >> And uh and
>> thank you. Sorry. >> Um great. And so now I'm going to ask for a motion to approve the um conditions um dated uh drafted March 9th um with the additions um as I just um
summarized them. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second by Sandy. Um, any other discussion? Um, I think we'll take a roll call here. Isabella, >> yes. >> Peter, >> yes. >> Gordon, >> yes. >> Chris,
>> yes. >> Sarah Woods, yes. >> Yes. >> Sue, yes. >> Yes. >> Uh, Brian, yes. And Sandy, yes. Okay. Um, procedurally, Mark, do I need to do anything else? >> Sarah, I I think you just approved the conditions, but I think you need to approve the special permit and then also
the parking waiver pursuant to 6.1.8. 8. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Oh, thank you. >> So, 6.1.8. Um uh I will ask for a motion to wave the um parking requirements at first of all those the parking
requirements in 6.1 commercial parking requirements and to approve the special permit and site plan for 22 Union Street with the conditions uh previously approved. >> Uh Sarah. >> Yep. Um the parking waiver is a special
permit. Uh so it's two special permits in site plan review. So >> Okay. Can you help me figure out what the motion is, please? >> Uh to approve um the application for 22 Union Street
um uh with the conditions for um two special permits. um one pursuant to section 4.2 and the others uh under 6.1.8
for the waiver of the parking requirements and site plan review under section 12.6. >> Great. Thank you. I'll take a motion to that effect. >> So moved. >> Um do I have a second? >> Sure. Second. >> Okay.
>> Uh thank you, Mark. Um any other uh corrections, amendments, or discussion? >> Thank you, Mark. >> Uh roll call. Uh Sandy, yes. >> Yes. >> Brian, yes. Sue Sarah votes yes.
>> Chris says yes. >> Isabella and Peter, >> yes. >> Excellent. Okay. >> Can't wait to see it. >> All right. Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you everyone. public hearing. >> I'll send
>> Mark. I'll send you she copy this when I revise the detail sheets. >> Yep. Okay. Great. >> Thank you. >> Help. >> Okay. Great. >> Well, that was good timing. Um
>> um things. So, the next order of business is um we have to open every one of these public hearings. Sorry.
>> Do them one at a time, Sarah. >> I know. I know. And you put them in a different order than I did. So, hold on. uh district downtown I think we um
>> okay so um next we're gonna talk about zoning changes that are um proposed for our April um non meeting. We have four um proposed zoning changes
and this is those of you new um this is up um and uh please stay um and uh this is a requirement under state law that we hold a public hearing and um we um have had a number of forums
on um all of these matters. to talk select board, but um this is a a procedural um place for people to give us input or ask questions as well. So, the first um public hearing number one
is um I'll take a motion to open the public hearing for an article that would create two new zoning districts for Manchester's downtown and expect and establish zoning requirements for these districts. The two proposed zoning districts are shown on the map entitled
Town Center and Harbor's Edge District dated February 11th. The proposal would amend the Manchester zoning 2.0 section 2.0 definitions 3.1 establishment 3.2 zoning map section 4.0 use regulations 4.2 management by the sea table of
allowed uses 4.11 section 5.4 section 5.5 section 5.6 six section 8.5 and section 6.1 stir by the seat table of uses. >> Do I have a motion?
>> Second. >> All right, Mark, do I have to take a roll call or do we can we just vote? >> No, you can just vote. >> Okay. All in favor? I Okay, great. Thank you. Um, so take a drink of water here for a second.
Um I am not seeing too many people who have been um not here for this discussion before but um so feels so hopefully we can kind of go through this um some of the background fairly quickly
but um we will have time for people to ask questions if we've gone too quickly um over that. the first um uh let's see. So um we're going to talk about the um
zoning and see if you uh want to find the complete zoning articles. You can find them at the planning board page of the Manchester website. Um the uh articles are listed there and then there for senior housing and for downtown
zoning. There are also on the left some um tabs and you can find frequently asked questions there as well. So please um that's where you can find the most upto-date versions. So um the first we're going to start with is downtown
zoning. Um this updating our down our zoning in our downtown is has been identified by the master plan and we want to preserve space for commercial activity in our downtown um buildings. This came up during the MBTA zoning and
we've hel we've been working on this for over a year almost a year. The idea here is really to create zoning that looks like our current downtown because our current downtown does not look our current current zoning does not look like what's there. It came after the
downtown was built. Um and right now any downtown property can become a single or a two family property by right. Um and many of our downtown properties um require that uh a special permit that
you've just witnessed if you are with us for the last hour. Um to make any is needed in order to make any improvements. Um we're going to talk about a bunch of things. First is commercial uses, shops and restaurants, offices. Um mixed use is a combination
of commercial and residential uses. Residential is housing. Um, dimensional requirements are the distance from the front, side, rear setbacks. And by right means property uses that conform to zoning and don't need um a review. They
can just go to the building inspector to to make it happen. So, in our downtown zoning proposal, we're proposing uh to preserve and enhance what we have today, which is a mix of business and residential spaces with commercial storefronts that are
along the street and residential above that. Um, we're also going to reduce some permitting steps necessary for development by reducing some of the setback requirements. We're also going to require a design review and as I said changes to to some of the setback
requirements to reflect um what we have today. So the plan is to create two new districts. One is called the town's center and the other is Edge and we'll walk you through each of those. >> It's cut off Sarah.
>> Oh is that Say it again. Is it cut off? >> Yeah. Well what I can see >> Oh yeah. Um I don't know. Can you Mark Mark? Can you see the whole script? the whole slide. >> I can. >> Yes. Yeah, the whole thing. It's all there. >> We can move that out of the way. Um,
great. Thanks. Um, so there are two districts, the um, Harbor's Edge and the Town Center District. And I'm going to walk you through the town center and Sue is going to walk you through the Harbor's Edge. Um, so the town center district starts at
Blueird. Um that's just the only um and then continues down Central Street. You guys can sit in the chairs if you want to >> watch. And Brian, you had to move that over. >> Those wood bench. >> Were you waiting for John before you
said that? >> We can actually Yeah, please. >> Sure. >> Excellent. Thank you. >> Just move that up now. There we go. >> Thank you.
>> Okay, great. Um, so it the town center is starts on Central Street by Seaside One and the um realtor continues up um Central Street which is
now the historic district. And you can see some of the things that we want to have um reflected in our zoning. The um buildings are close to the sidewalk. They're pulled right up. They don't have
a front setback. Um they have uh commercial in the first floor and residential above or in the case of um Seven Central Street. Um let's see right
here. Um they have uh a new um commercial space on the first floor with residential behind and above. Um the district continues up um school street to the fire station on the left
and includes just the um uh zero summer street zero school street uh revi um renovated building here on the on the right, the former Once Upon a Time drugstore, right? Um
then uh up Union Street um the library on the right. Um and you can see this um the renovated building that's uh has 13 units in on the left and um the copper shed. Now
this continues to um the property we've just been talking to at 22 Union Street talking about 22 Union Street bookstore. the former Jaimes Roast Beef. Um, and then we uh continue up to the
corner of Washington Street. Um, the yellow building on straight ahead and then down Beach Street. Now we're out of the historic district and you'll see why that's important in that. Um, Town Center continues into uh four Beach Street and
the CB Breeze variety store. Um it includes Kala's stock exchange up to the post office. Um and along Summer Street, the garage and um the side of Summer Street that is
the garage and the uh Laughing Gull Cafe um condos there which also have residential above commercial on the first floor. So the details that um are going to be are the important um piece of any zoning
um and they include the uses that are allowed the dimensions as I said setbacks um parking and design standards. So the blue is the town center and for town center we are um allowing a mixed use that is um
commercial on the first floor along the street to a depth of 25 ft with up to four residential units per lot above that behind it um or on the first floor with a special permit. The residential
could be on the special on the first floor with a special permit. Um the height is the same as our present zoning which is a maximum of 35 ft and 2 and 1/2 stories.
We're changing the side side setbacks to zero feet because there are lots of businesses. You can see here in the picture um how uh the stock exchange butts right up against cargo uh not cargo um callas. There's no setback and
um the front satback also um you could see that these buildings pretty much in this entire district um come almost right up to the um the sidewalk. That doesn't mean that if they're somebody is um building something that they must
have a zero setback. They can set it back from the street if they want to have a patio out front or something like that. But it means that um that they may bring it right to the street. This also is where um any of those buildings right now if they want to do really anything
to them, they need to come for special permit because they don't comply with the front setbacks or the side setbacks. Um, in the rear of the setback would be 10 ft. And the lot size is 6,000 square ft. That's not a change from today. Um,
and I should have said in the beginning that this entire area, almost this entire area, the small with a port except for a portion of the harvest district, harvest edge is currently in the G district um general district. Um the lot coverage by buildings would
be up to 60% and um up to 80% by imperous surfaces. Um so oh the other big change is that um currently um all commercial uses have
parking requirements. Again, we know that the stock exchange, for example, doesn't have um commercial uh customer parking in front. Um and it seems that our current downtown does rarely has
commercial parking. So, we're changing that to zero spaces and changing the residential requirement in this dis proposed new district to one space per unit on the site and asking that it be located behind the building.
So um uh oh lastly um there are two sets of uh applicable design standards. I mentioned that many of the much of the town center is in the historic district. So, the historic district standards would remain
and if they're outside this historic district um the same design standard as we um passed for the MBTA zoning um which are fairly comprehensive about uh materials and um roof pitches and so
forth. um and have a um site plan review um committee that um will uh review the plants. Okay. So, I'm going to turn it over to Sue now to talk about the harbor's edge and then we'll take qu questions and
comments >> slide >> slide. There we go. You want to go ahead? >> No, that Yeah, >> that's good. >> Wait a minute. Which one? >> This one. Good. Okay. Um, okay. The Harbor's Edge District. Now, the reason why we decided to have
two separate districts even though we have a small downtown, um, we wanted to have slightly different rules applied to each. Um, and the buildings that we included in the Harbor's Edge district, there are two big differences. One is
that each of these buildings already has parking on their premises. Um, sure you can pull up in front of the dry cleaners, but you can also park right next to the dry cleaners, for example. Um, and so the Harbor's Edge District um
includes the buildings along um Summer Street from the dry cleaner uh in uh so we've got the dry cleaner, the bank, >> the heart. There we go. There's the dry cleaner.
There's the dry cleaner. We go the dry cleaner, the bank, um the little strip mall that used to be a train station, and then Crosby's. Each of those already has customer parking on their site. Um
and then you go around the corner uh across the street and um you have the hardware store across the street, the building with 35 Beach Street. Um those are included in the Harbor's Edge
District as well as the other little strip mall um which has the bank as its anchor and then other commercial establishments along the first floor. Um then you cross the tracks
and you are at Harbor's Point. Um, and the entire uh premises of Harbor's Point is included in this district. And again, you see all of the parking that is available for commercial uh use. So, one
thing the many of these properties in Harbor's Edge were specifically pointed out when we did some of our walking tours during the MBTA zoning um process. People were really worried that for
example, Harbor's Edge is currently in district A. Well, District A is a residential single family zoning district. So, if the owner of this entire property wanted to raise all of the buildings today and put in single
family homes, they're allowed to do that under current zoning. And that's a concern because we don't want to lose our our pharmacy. We don't want to lose Dunkin Donuts or Bravo or or um physical
therapy or what of the other buildings that are there, but also Crosby's and the hardware store um and the dry cleaner. So that's why we targeted this area as a separate um district. Now the
one big difference between this and the town center is that this district is envisioned as commercial required on the first floor floor. Um you may have residential above. Um and in fact the
buildings can be a little bit higher than current zoning which is we're changing it to 38 ft. Uh many of the other um things still apply. Uh the other parameters still apply. Um
38 feet, front is zero minimum, side 10 ft minimum, rear 10 ft minimum, lot coverage as Sarah just described, lot size 6,000 square feet. That's a big difference in Harbor's Edge District from what it's currently zoned. Um, I
should say that outside of Harbor Point, uh, the other areas I pointed out are currently in the G district. Um, parking, uh, currently, uh, each of these commercial establishments under our current zoning has a parking
requirement. Um the we're having no change in the Harbor's Edge district since they all already have parking. We're not eliminating that parking requirement. Um for residential, uh we're hoping that
there will be residential above someday. Uh most of these businesses, one space per unit we're requiring, um per per property. Design standards, as Sarah just described, um design standards really
are to help ensure that the property will fit in with the neighborhood. Um, and it's important in Harbor's Ed because the whole Harbor's point uh property is adjacent to Tapen Street,
which is a residential neighborhood and also a few homes on Beach Street. So design standards are important in this particular um district as well. Okay. So to wrap it up um so we talked
about some of the reasons why we started looking at downtown zoning and we have been in process since last summer and we've gotten a lot of feedback and it really ranges There are people who want
lots more housing and we can all agree that Manchester it'd be really nice to have more housing and maybe it would be a little bit less expensive. So, we're hoping some of this housing would be smaller footprint um above the commercial spaces, but there are other
people who don't want more housing. Um they don't want downtown to change. um they're okay if uh Harbor's Point gets raised and single family homes are built there. So, we're trying to balance the
um interests of all the residents in Manchester as well as business owners, uh property owners, um people who want more parking, less parking, denser downtown, um and no
change in downtown. We also, as Sarah mentioned, we really wanted to um allow for more as of right building so that there wouldn't be so many requirements for property owners to
overcome when they wanted to make a change to their property that we think would be in Manchester's best interest. >> Great. Thank you. Um we will take public comments. And one last thing that applies to all of these um zoning
changes that's important is it zoning doesn't make things happen. It it is what is allowed and the process. So just because we would like to see a mixeduse development or senior housing or an inn um and we were trying to hoping that
those zoning changes will happen um that doesn't mean that somebody will build a mixeduse or senior housing development or an inn. But right now those are um challenging outcomes. So, okay. Um, I'm not seeing a lot of people on um public,
but yeah. Um, Isabella, when zoning proposals were brought before town meeting before, it would did not go well because from my point of view, just trying to read the
thing, it was way too much detail presented that wasn't clear how to follow along because the numbering kept changing. And the the level of detail that the planning board must go into
is not going to go over well if it's proposed in all that detail at town meeting because it's just too overwhelming. I really liked the presentations that I just heard just now. Even with the pictures, would it be possible to bring the pictures to town
meeting? Well, we haven't um figured out how to present a town meeting yet and we're restricted usually two minutes. >> Oh, really? >> Well, what I want to say is to make it as
>> you know, one wonderfully positive and clarifying of the fact that we are not making radical changes here. We're just trying to clean up our act. I mean, that's really and I just want to see
this go as smoothly as possible at town meeting because I think these changes are really good and I don't want to see them you know people all around me were getting all rattled and fussed and upset by what's changed coming like this but
the way it was just presented here with the pictures and everything oh yeah I know all those places oh yeah that makes sense oh yeah like this >> well when we get to rehearsing Yeah, we're going to come to you. We haven't yet. >> We have one month. Okay.
>> Other thing, and I know this isn't in the proposal, but >> there is this wonderful parking garage in Salem that's part of the uh trains MBTA. And has anyone approached the MBTA
about making a parking garage? >> It takes care of all the parking problems. >> Probably there are two problems. >> Yes. The first is the MBTA doesn't own it. >> Oh, who does? >> It's owned by the condominium association. >> That parking lot back there.
They rent it. >> Okay. >> But anyway, that's a thing I do. >> It is. Yeah. I I don't disagree. Parking garages are a dirty word. >> You know, parking is a big complaint all the time. >> I know. know and so you know >> so we did do a parking study and there
are only at peak times are there um you know >> twice twice a year >> yeah twice a year is okay other um comments um from folks and I anybody on I don't see anybody online um uh oh somebody from the greater kan
chamber >> go ahead can you identify yourself >> yes hi uh Colleen Murdoch the director of community relations with the greater kan chamber I was hoping you could just clarify one point. I understand the um uh proposed zoning would allow for mixed
use um on the first floor. Can you clarify if that would be mandated um commercial on the first floor or if it's just um going to allow the mixed use now? >> Yeah. In um the town center, it's um uh
by right up to 25 ft of depth. So you can have residential in the first floor behind the um the commercial use. Um and if you in the town center, if you wanted to have um residential on the first floor, um you
would have to come for a special permit. In the harbor's edge district, uh commercial on the first floor is required. So no residential on the first floor in the Harbor's Edge District. >> Okay. Thank you. Um Steve Carheart.
>> Yeah. Just um >> can you just identify yourself and your address? >> Yeah, sure. Steve Carart, 12 Bridge Street. I chair the downtown improvement committee which is a volunteer committee appointed by the select board. Uh I just want to obviously these the zoning is out of our remitt, but we are concerned
that if you to paraphrase the field of dreams, if you zone it, will they come? And toward that end, we are working with the chamber to uh market commercial property in uh lease situations in
Manchester in ways that are practical and uh generally uh curating or or or recruiting business opport businesses that we think might make it in this town. So, we have that long-term project. Just want to mention that that's there. And if anybody has any
input for us, uh contact me or contact Jim Brown at the chamber. Thank you. That's all. >> Great. Thank you. Good. Uh, yes. We're not sure. Zoning is only a piece of this, right? Um, okay. Any other comments from the public, from the room?
Anybody else? >> Yes. >> Oh, John Round. >> John Round three. So, I wonder if you could comment on the um housing density for the two new areas and reading some of the information. I've read it a couple of times. I think it's four units
per lot in town center and 15 units per acre which kind of mimics the MBTA zoning although that particular area I don't think any of that's an MBTA zoning >> um and how was that arrived at
you want to take that >> sure I can so we arrived at the 15 units an acre because it came from the MK so >> all right >> in fact we wanted to originally include the harbors 40 harbor uh is that it
harbor >> harbor point harbor >> point in the MBTA district but then we realized under the state law we can't require mixed use and so we took it out because we didn't want pure residential there we wanted
the commercial so this is going back to our original MBTA zoning days and saying now we can require mixed use. >> And how does that compare with way the zoning is right now, which is really This is the G district. >> This is in the
>> A district. >> Half and half. I don't >> So you could have like four single family houses in there >> in G. A >> in the Harbor Point. >> No, it's two. Um yeah, let me So in the Harbor Point
District >> um uh Harbor's Point, which is down here, just the the um >> the Oh, sorry. I'm not sharing too many things.
Um so in the Harbor's Edge district, Harbor's Point is just the the lower side as on the map here of the um on the of the tracks. The train tracks run through here. So that is currently a district. This whole area is is A. So
you could have um put a subdivision road in there. You could make some number of uh single family homes, >> right? But but a is one one unit per lot >> per 20,000 foot lot.
>> It's the minimum on a on a is 22,000 a lot. >> That's a h that's a that is a half an acre but you have three acres there. So you could have six >> in the G district. John, the the um the 15 is about what it is actually because
it's per 6,000 square foot lot and you can get by right currently two there, right? >> And so 6,000 goes into 43,567 times. So it's it's about the same. >> I don't know how many lots exist there
right now. So everything above the tracks is G. Yep. >> I don't know how many lots are represented there as it stands, >> but But the today with a special permit you might be a able on anything that has 6,000 square feet and not all of those do.
>> No, >> but any of but most of them do. Um yeah uh you could get you're allowed for for residential units today. So we were trying to do two things. One is to reflect what you see on the street today >> and what's allowed with zoning today. So
this combination um the harbor's point area is the big departure and as Chris said they looked at it for residential because it's right next to the train but you would create incentives to lose your commercial but if it stays the way it is
today commercial residential is where the money is right now. We know that. >> So there's this financial there's a financial risk right now to convert that. Nobody's uh you know to residential.
Um the zoning would actually uh help protect commercial in the harbor's edge district. It doesn't ensure that a pharmacy will stay the pharmacy or that Dunkin Donuts will stay Dunkin Donuts. That's we can't uh dictate private enterprise. Um, but it
perhaps >> but that whole strip could have residential above it. >> Yes. >> And I'm sure they're thinking about that. >> They probably are. >> We hope so. Right. >> Um, yeah. And um, so that's that's how
we came about it with any of these things. As Sue said, it's a balance. There are people would like to see higher density. There's people would like to see lower density. We tried to pick a balance. So, okay. Other comments or questions? Yeah. Go ahead. Uh there's Finn Larson, 18 North Street. I'm hoping to make
>> say that louder so that 18 North Street. I was hoping to make a point of clarification. The map for the town's these two proposed zones online that I'm accessing >> has this what is now a single residence
within that. Um and I'm seeing two different maps. Which one >> is correct? Are we hoping >> this is correct? This one. Yeah. Um I thought I just pulled that off the online today. So maybe there's two map. We should check that. Um >> yeah, I'm glad you pointed out >> point that out. Um you know what? I bet
the map in the when it's on the sidebar. If you go to the zoning articles, it has the correct one. >> Okay. Yeah, good catch. Yep. The reason was that that is currently a single family home. It's in G district. So today it could be a single family, a two
family, a um three family, four family if it had 6,000 square feet and enough parking >> and expand >> and it doesn't really have enough parking to be so it it sort of um made sense to leave it out and keep so it
remains in G district. >> Used to be a wonderful restaurant. >> I know but that's that's a past You could still go back to a restaurant if it's good. >> Any other um comments or questions? >> Okay. So, I'm going to keep us moving
here. The next p um >> close to close the public hearing number one for uh Manchester's downtown. >> I move we close the public hearing. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I
>> um let's see. Stop sharing. Um we don't have a big fat. for coming. Thank you. >> Thank you guys. >> Have a good night. >> Okay. Um get rid of that public hearing. Okay. So, the next one is actually >> Sarah.
>> Yes. >> Do you want to vote your recommendations for these one at a time after you finish the hearings? >> I think we'll do that at the end. >> Okay. >> Is that okay? >> Yeah. As long as um you do it tonight.
>> Yep. You don't absolutely have to, but it's been requested. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yep. >> Thank you. Um, so slideshow slide. Okay. The next um hearing is I'll take a motion to open public hearing
number two to add section 2.0 definitions, a new definition for an in and add to the section 4.0 use regulations 4.0 table 4.2 two of allowed uses and add a section 6.1 off street off
streetet parking table 6.1 parking requirements for an in motion to open the hearing move second >> um all in favor >> I >> okay my thing is spinning wheel of death here
um Peter do you are you still on board you wanna >> I may not be able to go into presentation mode for some reason, but we can wing it. >> Yeah. And um >> hold on. I got it.
>> It was a good presentation. So hopefully it's not going into presentation mode. >> Here it goes. >> No, it's I can't have to. >> There you go. Got it. >> Yeah, I know. But I mode, but that's all right. >> Keep that up for a minute job there. >> Okay.
All right. That's >> maybe just me >> here. Um, you want to just give us a quick summary of what we're talking about? >> Yep. Can everybody hear me? Okay. >> Yeah, sure. >> Okay. So, we're going to talk about hotels and ins, right, Sarah?
>> Right. >> All right. So, um, and we're talking about the definition of ins primarily tonight, which is a building with grooming units without cooking facilities and primarily for transient occupancy with a common entrance and it
can include a restaurant and recreational facilities if allowed in the district. And an inn is limited to a maximum of 12 rooms for overnight guests. And what we're going to propose is that um we do allow ins
uh by right in the town center in Harbor's Edge and in the LCD the limited commercial district and that with special permit it would be allowed in the general district. Parking would require on-site and one space per guest
and uh we've waited to uh deliberate on regulating hotels at this point. Great. Okay. Any comments um from the public on
ins? I don't see any. Great. Okay. Um I'm going to take a motion to close public hearing number two uh for in um zoning to allow ins. >> So moved.
>> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Okay. Public hearing number three is a um to create uh an article would create new senior housing bylaw and zoning requirements for this use. The proposal would remove from section 2.0
definitions all the existing senior housing definitions and replace them with new definitions in section 2.0 for senior housing assisted living facilities and uh independent living. We're going to add to the uses to
section 4.2 table of uses and add the uses to table 6.1 Manchester by the sea table of uses and parking and add a new section 9.5 which are uses and permitted regulation requirements for senior housing. Chris is going to walk us through that.
>> Have we opened the public? >> Oh yes. So thank you. You're gonna you move >> to open the public hearing. >> Second. >> Uh all in favor I thank you. Um, okay. >> Damn it. That's not liking that.
That's not good. Okay, I'm gonna have to do it with >> Oh, there we go. >> No, I know it's just not not liking dutyation mode, but that's okay. You can go for it. >> Go ahead. Okay. So, first question is why are we proposing to allow senior
housing with a new bylaw? And there are basically three reasons. The first is that a third of the population or will be by 2030, which is only four years from now, a third of us will be over the age of 65 in Manchester.
And the second is that the town does not have a supply of appropriate housing to serve this rapidly growing group. And third, Manchester is the only community in the region that does not regulate senior housing.
So the goal is to encourage small age restricted units for seniors, encourage the conversion of existing buildings for occupancy by seniors, to provide a range of housing and allow more options for downsizing, and to provide a range of different
housing types to serve the senior population. So, what is senior housing? Well, I'm going to add one thing that's not on this slide. A lot of people asking, why do we have to actually have a a senior housing bylaw at all? Well, the reason
is that federal fair housing laws do not allow discrimination. In general, you just can't pick a group and say this housing is for you. But there is a protected group which is seniors, which is a um
basically an exception to the federal fair housing law. So what we're doing is allowing essentially uh developers or anyone to create a age restricted unit and not have to worry about the fair housing but fair
housing laws. So in general housing senior housing is considered u if it is uh for people 55 years or older there's also a subgroup of that which are 62 and older. So
anyone basically over the age of 55 is considered a senior. Senior housing is basically designed to serve the needs of senior older adults. So we're talking about not having little kids all over the place. Um, we're talking about
smaller units that are maintained by others, so we don't have to go up on ladders to clean gutters or mow lawns. And um they're generally more affordable and have accessibility features um such
as um uh showers that you don't have to step into and that sort of thing. So there are four basic types of senior housing. The first there's independent senior housing which is targeted to seniors who can manage to live on their
own. They don't need any help essentially. Then there's assisted living facilities which offer meals, housekeeping and health care services for adults that do need some care on a daily basis. There are memory care facilities that
are specially designed for people with dementia. And finally, there's what's probably mo most people are familiar with, which are continuing care facilities, um, which offer a whole range of housing and services, including independent living,
assisted living, and even skilled nursing on their site. So, uh, what are we doing with, uh, with independent living in our zoning bylaw? First, we're allowing um uh senior housing with a special permit
in any zoning district in town, but there are some requirements. One is a one half or one half acre minimum lot size except in district C and E where we require one acre
and there' be a density of maximum density of 10 units an acre which is less than the MBTA zoning but essentially it would be sort of the density of a bunch of of town houses. uh uh the these projects would have to
comply with all setback and height requirements in the zoning district and there be a parking requirement as well depending on the type of housing it was that was being served. There's also a maximum of uh a single project can't
have more than 60 units for assisted living. It's basically the same. They'll be allowed in any district except in the D1 and D2 districts, which is around the heater essentially
or in the new downtown zones. Um, and that's because assisted living can be disruptive to highly dense neighborhoods. They would also require a special permit to ensure compat compatibility of the neighborhood.
They would require one halfacre minimum lot size except in district C and E where one acre would be required. Again, there'd be a density of limit of 10 units per acre. And again, there' be a compliance with setbacks and height requirements
and uh parking requirements as well. Now, we're not allowing two different kinds of senior housing. one is the memory care units and the continuing care uh properties like Brooksby Village which would just be too large for
Manchester. So uh our basic idea is to allow senior housing but to maintain small scale as as much as we can. We want to limit the size of units to no more than 600 square feet for a studio, 900 square feet for a
onebedroom, 1,200 square feet for two bedrooms, and um 1,500 square feet for three bedrooms, but only allow one three-bedroom unit for every 10 units that would be built. Again, the idea is to keep a smaller
scale and to reuse existing buildings. For example, some of these large estates that might become vacant would be a perfect reuse for that kind of employment. Finally, there'd be a local preference. Um, these would be deed restricted units, but there would be a pref
preference for current or former Manchester residents, for families, uh, and for employees of the town. And finally, there'd be an affordability requirement that for every five units, one would have to be set
aside as an affordable unit and eligible for a listing on the SHI. The SHI is the subsidized housing inventory, uh, which triggers 40, so we're trying to get there as fast as we can.
>> Great. Thank you. Um, okay. any uh comments or questions on the senior housing um bylaw? And I will preempt a question that you asked, which is are there
enough in each of those districts um is are there um lots that meet that minimum size requirement? And we did do a um an analysis and there are quite a number in all those district all of the districts
that are meet the minimum size requirement even though >> I have the numbers. >> Okay, great. >> 689 and 440 something. >> Yeah. So, um great. Um other anybody online comments?
I'm not seeing anybody online. So, a couple people, Jeff, Nick, TM, uh, Gar Morse, go ahead. >> I' I'd just like to point out what, Mike. I'm Gar Morse. I live at 11 Jersey
Lane and I also own the property at 33 Union Street that has seven units. And though all of those, by the way, are leased to people who are uh qualify as seniors and also would probably qualify
for affordable. But the way the affordable housing law works, as you all know, is you must run a lottery for your affordable units. The lottery has to be
run by a third party and it costs between5 and $10,000 a year to run a lottery. So if you have a for instance in in the instance somebody mentioned a 10 unit uh project even if it's a senior
project and two of those units have to be affordable. the the way the statute is written makes it almost impossible for a small project to have affordable units that can be listed on the SHI.
This is a barrier that is in the existing statutes that we might want to consider pointing out to the Department of Housing and Livable Communities that it it really uh it really uh does
not favor a town like Manchester, which by its nature has small projects. So, um I know it's not a pro a problem that can be solved here tonight, but it's something that we might want to be aware of as we discuss um these issues with
our legislators. And that's my comment. >> Great. Thank you. >> Any other comments on senior housing? Isabella, >> I know there are some people who are quite concerned about a high density of elderly people. I have only to look
around the room to say there are a bunch of live wires. But I have been very very intrigued by facilities that have a nursery school included in them because then the residents can take care of the younger
children and the children love it and the residents love it and it would be multi-use density of a different sort that speaks to quality of life in later years. I've seen pictures of these and they seem tremendously successful.
>> Well, I think child care is one of the uses that is allowed in all districts by statute >> uh by state law. So, I think you could envision a um senior housing with a daycare or kindergarten or something >> in it at least allowed by zoning.
Whether whether we would get it >> is it whether we would get it or not >> is anybody's guess, but it would be allowed. This is for 55 and older, but also for little tikes. I mean, how does that work? >> Well, there's two different zoning bylaws that work here.
>> One is child care is allowed in any district anyway. >> Okay. >> And the other is senior housing. >> Okay. They don't cancel each other. >> They don't they don't cancel each other. >> Okay. I'm not seeing any other comments or questions. So, I'm going to move on uh to close public hearing number three.
I'll take a motion to close the public hearing on senior housing bylaw. So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Okay. Um I'll take a motion to open public hearing number four. Change uh in
section 4.2 table of all uses E7 large accessory dwelling units from not permitted to requiring a special permit from the zoning board of appeals in the D1 and D2 zoning districts and remove from section 9.1.2.1
2.1 the primary dwelling setback requirements for standard accessory dwelling units. Um do I have a motion to open the public hearing number four? >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor?
>> Okay. Um this is pretty simple. Um we uh the background here is that um large or uh standard I guess was what we called it. Sorry I said large on the slide. Standard ADUs um 9001 to,200 square feet
were allowed as of April 2025 with a bylaw change um standard ADUs or larger um are uh um no wait large standard
sorry large ADUs um is what we're talking about. they were um allowed in as of April 2025 and um but not allowed in the D districts and the rationale was that two family um structures are already allowed in the D districts and
thus the larger ADUs were not um needed. Since then, we've been asked by the zoning board of appeals chair to reconsider that. And sort of the compromise has been to allow the large ADUs in the D districts with a special
permit from the ZDA. Um, and Mark, the second part of this, are you still there? >> Yep, I'm here. >> Um, the second part is to strike the setback requirements um for for standard
accessory dwelling units. And that's because the uh AG has to strike that. Is that correct? >> Yeah, we referred to the um primary building setback instead of the accessory dwelling setback. Uh and which
is um you're supposed to if you're allowing for detach units, you have to use the least restrictive setback requirements. So that would be the accessory dwelling. So we have to strike uh the word from the
where we require primary building uh uh the other primary building requirements still uh uh are enfor uh you know still can be enforced but not the uh setbacks. So >> okay great thank you. Um any um public
comment on the ADU modifications? Not seeing anybody. >> Oh, >> Brian, is that you, Brian? >> Yes, it is. Can you hear me? I'm Brian Miller of 92 School Street. >> Great.
>> My I have a question on with respect to that. Does that mean that any building built doesn't have to have setbacks on the lot? Number one. Number two,
the although this may seem like a minor complaint, uh a new building has gone up in the and two buildings have been built on a 7,000 square foot lot across the street from myself. And this has actually caused
rather significant difficulties this winter because that unit now blocks my driveway from getting sun. And therefore with the 60s some inches of snow we've had this year. Uh my unit or
my driveway has now been very icy which because of the fact that I've had shoulder surgery I've had some major problems with this year. So is there any thought or condition on
how far back these buildings should be and how much of a shadow these buildings can allow. Um, thank you for the question. Um, depending on the district that you're
referring to or any lot that any district that the lot is in, there are varying setbacks and those can be found in the section five, I believe, of our zoning bylaw. Um this um
particular change does not affect that um except for the standard accessory dwelling unit where the attorney general has said we can't specify the larger setbacks. We have to and that's a state law. We can't
do anything about that. As for shading, that is not regulated in zoning um to date. So if your neighbor is complying with setbacks and that's a building inspector question that and and sun is
blocked that is not something that is currently regulated in Manchester or typically regulated by zoning. Um and I'm going to ask our planner is there any other uh clarification you can provide um or is that accurate?
>> Yeah. No, that's very accurate. It's probably very accurate in Manchester by the Sea. Unfor uh in some localities, including California and Colorado, you cannot a new building or a new structure cannot
put a shadow on a neighbor's lawn or a neighbor's property at the lowest angle for the year, which I might be in favor of after this wonderful situation this year. Um so that means I
do have a a question though with respect to what you just said. So that means the the uh the setbacks can't be more than the current building is or can they totally
ignore the setbacks for an ADU? Uh now the setback would have to comply with the accessory dwelling uh or dwelling setbacks which are a little less than the primary dwelling setback. So you'd have to look at the uh and
compare the the the two charts um to to see and it depends on the district. So >> there are two types of buildings. One is the primary what you think of as a house and the other is the accessory which might be a garage. The accessory
dwelling units fall under the accessory definition and thus they are subject to less restrictive uh to less to smaller setbacks. But um the question if you have a question about whether or not somebody is in
compliance, the thing to do is to talk to the building inspector that he has the >> he can measure it and visit it. >> No, I'm sure they're within the within the setbacks. It's just something has just come up because of the shadowing
>> that I know in other locations you cannot put a shadow on a neighbor's property on a new building or an addition to a building and obviously we do not have that here in Manchester by the city >> but it's a good thought and um
>> and especially with regards to solar panels which I do have uh that is also just a concern. Thank you. Great. Thank you for that um comment. Anybody else? Okay, great. Um so I'm going to take a
motion to close public hearing number four uh with regard to the accessory dwelling units. >> So moved and seconded. All in favor? >> I. >> Okay, >> great. Um
thank you everybody. Um the next um thing we need to do is to vote to um uh um approve each of these zoning articles. I'm hoping that we can do them
as a block if that's legal to >> Well, you should do each of them and uh separately and it's to vote to town meeting whether you recommend or do not recommend these articles. So, >> okay, that's the show. >> That's what it because you that's your
report to town meeting is >> okay. >> You know, besides like a description of what the thing is, your report is, do you recommend that people vote on it or not? >> Okay, great. Thank you. So, the other uh little bit of a wild card here is we
just got um comments from town council and Mark and I reviewed them briefly at about 4:30 tonight and I haven't looked at them. Um so I think Mark has reported to me anyway that they're largely
administrative. Um so for example uh we have two uh sections of table 4.2 two that are lumbered A7 so we can you know senior housing section and then the so we can re
number. So what I'm going to suggest is that um uh before we do the recommendations of the articles that we um uh vote to authorize all article all of the articles um with a um
and authorize Mark to make any administrative ch changes that are uh recommended by um town council and if for some reason there's a substantive change that we would post a meeting tomorrow and come back here and hash
that out on Thursday, which I hope we don't have to do, but I haven't looked at them in detail, and I just want to make give us that that option. So, I'm going to ask for a motion to um uh authorize the town planner to make any
administrative changes to the articles um for downtown zoning for senior housing for ins and for accessory dwelling unit of language. Um as re Thank you, Isabella. As recommended by town council.
Have a motion for that. >> Second. >> Second. Um, all in favor? >> I >> Peter, I'm sure you're agreeing. Is >> he there? >> Oh, he might have left. I think Peter's left. Okay, Peter left the meeting at 8
8:00. Great. Um, okay. So, I will take a motion uh to recommend uh the man the article um for Manchester to uh modify Manchester's down to create two new zoning districts for Manchester's
downtown and established zoning requirements as well as a modified zoning map. >> So, moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Uh any discussion about recommending the downtown zoning? >> Yahoo.
All in favor? >> Okay. Um I will take a motion to recommend the um uh definitions and allowed uses for an in for ins. >> So move second.
>> Any discussion? All in favor? I >> make a motion to Oh, Chris is going to make this motion to recommend a new creating a new senior housing bylaw and the zoning requirements for this use. >> Move. >> Second. Any
>> Brian's going to second that >> second. Oh, sorry. Thought you did it. >> Uh, any discussion? All in favor? That >> lastly, I will take a motion to recommend a um changes to the large ADUs
um changing them from not a permitted uh not permitted to special permit from the ZBA in districts D1 and D2. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> Any discussion on this one? This is a, you know, with this is I I have a little bit of mixed feelings about this, but I
think >> it's a good solution. >> Good solution. >> Okay. Um, all in favor? >> I >> Okay, done. >> What about the um >> driveways? >> No, the second part of the HD one.
>> Oh, and the PI and um to remove the I'm going to mod remove the primary dwelling setback requirement for standard accessory. Um, any objections to modifying the amendment to that? A motion to include that. Thank you.
Okay. Wow. Okay. Goodness. So, um, Isabella does bring up a really good point that we're going to need a working session >> to figure out how we explain this in two minutes. Each of these, >> we just finished. Don't mean to
interrupt, but we have a new town moderator. >> I know. And it might be worth um >> you Ann or whoever someone from the select board meeting with him about the
time requirement and explaining from our perspective that um it it impedes us from really doing our job as the planning board to be so restricted on time. I mean, we're very
respectful of time. Um, but it also really does hinder us when we're on the floor of Altown meeting. >> That's a good suggestion. And we also have the frequently asked questions already. So, I think we need to hone
some handout materials for a town meeting. And really um we've got it five weeks or something. I mean they probably if they need a printed it comes up quick, >> right? >> So that is I think we can do that with
some communications meetings um and maybe um some back and forths. Um but that's a really good suggestion, Sue. Um the problem is that you know they like Tommy to >> I know going along I know >> I also want to correct something that
Isabella said which is >> we've only had one loss on zoning and it was >> it was a minor one. >> It was minor. What was it? I don't remember. We just didn't get twothirds. We got a majority. >> Yeah. >> It was something. >> Well, there were a group that were
postponed. There were a group that were postponed because it was the night of the tech the technical fiasco in the >> in November 22, >> right? >> Yes. >> And though but that wasn't a a failure
per se. We we did too many at once, but we also it was also the recall vote. >> It was the citizens petition for the recall. Remember that delayed the start of the meeting for an hour >> and it was a nightmare. But we didn't fail at anything actually. We just strategically said
um but whatever the perception is perception is reality. >> Yeah. I think the handout material is really important. >> It is. >> It is. >> I think if there's any visuals we can put up, >> you know. >> Yeah. They they don't want to do the the
problem with the visuals. We did that with the high school and that was a long time before visuals got better. Yeah. But the problem is if it fails then you're kind of in a mess. >> I think G's question.
>> Um G, you have a good suggestion here? >> I apologize. I know I'm out of order. I have the greatest respect for each and every one of you and I speak with my experience of which some of you uh were there on the uh the zoning MBTA zoning.
We have a wonderful resource in town hall by the name of Tiffany Marleta. >> We've been working with her guard. >> Excellent. We had we did purposeful education long before the vote. >> Yeah.
>> And so anything you do in that regard, I'll be on your side. I'll be with you. Okay. >> Thank you. We've actually been holding forums on the downtown stuff since June of 2025. >> That's good. >> Walk. We've done sidewalks, you know, you've been there. Um anyway, but we
can't to roll back the clock, >> but we could think about >> one more sidewalk >> doing the videos of each district and maybe a little video with some um examples of senior housing um that
could be playing while everyone's coming in and taking their seats and reading. >> Yeah. So >> that was we knew that was the >> we had then we got >> Alan wanted to do it. I was horrified but I think it's actually >> we got great feedback from people said
that was very helpful. So >> just again something to I mean it'd be a pain to do the videos but it's only two and right >> I don't know >> you can maybe replay some of the videos of the >> well they have been the videos are they're supposed to be up but I don't
know. >> So that brings up another point. Um, I watched the uh recording of December 4th, our forum on downtown zoning and it is not on the downtown zoning. >> Okay.
>> It's you have to go to the agenda and minutes thing and no one knows to do that. >> No, we can easily get tonight's presentations put on the right on the >> That would be great. >> Yeah, that's >> that's probably at least that's that's pretty easy to do. >> Yeah. Okay, good. Good suggest. and they
can get broken into chunks. Yeah. Okay. So, we will schedule some communications stuff coming up. Um All right. Um I don't know about anybody else that um the discussion of driveway
regulations. >> I'm not quite ready for that. >> Let's postpone that. >> Let's postpone that again. The point we will talk about that next time. So, read the driveway regulations. Um the idea here is we're proposing that
the general that that the um driveways get paired down in the general bylaws and then don't worry, we're going to have regulations. So we want to be able to say and here's what the regulations are. We've already reviewed them. Soon as it passes in the general bylaws, then we have a public hearing to pass and
approve the regulations. But we have to we should know what we're trying to get accomplished. I don't think it's that hard. Um okay. Um two quick updates. Um the harbor management plan is essentially done and there's its draft on the
website. We didn't get a lot of comments from folks. Um it is a um uh a series of recommendations. Um and the big question is how do we ensure that those recommendations um get
carried forth? That's always a question right when you do do a plan the master plan and others. >> So um and it's a little bit challenging because we have a harbor um manager the harbor master is the harbor management
um and yeah we've expand the the study expanded it. So the the plan there is to go and meet with the select board and sort of talk that through a little bit. Um, and there are one there is one thing that was assigned at least one thing.
There are two things that I can think of that were assigned to the planning board. I don't have it right in front of me. One is to work with other uh boards to try to streamline permitting. So, I don't know what the answer to that is, but you know, this three house, three
condo unit has to go to the historic commission. Miami would have to go to the concom in their case they don't have to but let's say they were right on the water you know then they got to go to our um site review go group and then they got to come here for special permit and especially for you know
>> it's expensive and it's >> it's expensive and it takes a lot of time and so one of >> there may be conflicting rules >> exactly so that trying to figure out how that came up around the harbor but it's no different because the harbor has
chapter 91, it has concom rules of special permits and all rest. >> So that's one thing that um would affect us and so think a little bit about that I think not just about the harbor but across the board. The other one is the
um re marine uses. Um we have two large large from Manchester boatyards in the general district. So, as we think about the general district, um think about that because um those are
those uh were identified as being very critical um you know to um the sort of health and well-being and recreation of the harbor, the main harbor, the boating. Um and if those
were to become >> condos um then uh that changes a whole bunch of things. So there are options um as we think about the general district to zone uh to create a a harbor zone uh not a
harbor's edge but a harbor or something else zone and that was identified as something that we should think about. Um, and then I guess the third is more of a general bylaw, but um, we uh, talked a lot about the fact that we
don't know really what the water quality is in the harbor in terms of nutrient loading and that kind of thing that of course Tux Point is tested because it's a beach for bacteria, >> but we don't know um, particularly what the nutrient loading is um, and and um,
because the sort of best practice is to say prohibit f certain types of fertilizers along the harbor and the ocean's edge. But unless you know that that's really an issue, it's a cart before the horse, right? Is it a should we do that? But if we don't
know that the that that it exists or that many people are it's a big problem then and how do you enforce things? So that's another issue that um probably falls more in the jurisdiction of the concom um but um nutrient loading into
the harbor is you know reduces dissolved oxygen and um encouraged algae growth and that kind of thing. So that's another issue. So uh the big big thing there is you know how do we how do we keep this what are the how do we keep an eye on the important things. is sort of
a very distributed um set of responsibilities. >> So that's that. Um CPC any updates there? >> So we did award a bunch of projects, some funding >> for town meeting.
>> Yeah, that's right. And it has to be approved by town meeting. >> Uh the big one is the Rotunda, which everyone probably knows is um has lost its grant. So basically we're cobbling together all
the CPC funds. The affordable housing trust has agreed to uh withdraw a h 100,000 of his $200,000 grant to fund the rotunda this year. Um personally I kind of think it might be
better just to take the rotund and put on land and call it a day and save a couple million dollars. But that's not my choice. made up my decision. >> What happened to the budget for it? Everything >> thing all federal money that just
>> Yeah. So, it's federal pass through money. >> Yeah. >> But but paying for it with the affordable housing trust. That doesn't >> That's crazy. No, it just means the affordable housing trust will get less money, right? It's not like the affordable housing trust took money out
of their conference, >> right? I just >> So, what we the message But uh >> we told the finance committees we'll be back next year for 300,000 instead of 200,000. >> So in any case, since we don't have a project active right now that we can
spend it on, it's not the end of the world. >> Sarah, may I give you an update on what's happening in facilities? >> Please. >> So that is we're meeting every week. We had a little little breath break during the Christmas New Year, but we're meeting every week now. the it is moving
forward to becoming a real project here. We're considering hiring an ownerous project manager now and Sarah and then the next step would be to hire a designer who would go through the normal
south as we did for the school for uh location, size, configuration, massing and all that other stuff that goes along with the plan. >> Well, which project? >> All of them. So, it could be one, could be two, could be three. It's the police department, the
fire department, and the public works department, too. All being relocated. So, that's that's becoming a hot topic. It's becoming very real. >> More update on that as we go through it. There's Andy Oldman was on the he's on
the committee with me as well. he brought up the town is looking to bond finance many upcoming projects that are coming up here. Would this be the the appropriate time for that? But that's yet to be determined. We're we're trying to figure that out right now. I know the
public works department is eager to get this going. >> Sure they are. Okay, great. Any other updates from anybody? All right. Um, we have minutes. Um any uh any other matters not on the
previously anticipated Mark? Anything else? >> Oh, housing production plan. Sorry. Do you want to uh we're going to talk about that? We're going to at the next meeting she's going to come >> I believe. So I waiting to confirm that
for the next meeting. And uh the other uh thing you have coming up is the school street public hearing for the zoning change by petition article. So um
>> okay so our next meeting is the 15 is the um change of districts on school street um >> and the housing production plan >> and the regulation for driveways. very
exciting regulations for graduates. >> Okay. Um I'm not sure there was some correspondence in our packet but mostly from other towns. Um so um I'll take approval of minutes. Um let's start at
the top. November 17th. Ryan was not here but everybody else was. >> So moved. >> Okay. >> Second. >> Okay. Any amendments? Correct. >> All in favor? >> Yes. Okay. January 29th, Sue and Sandy
Bod Turner were not here. Um, I'll take a motion. >> Sue moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Oops. Peter's not. >> Okay. On February 2nd, uh, Gordon and Sue were not here. Um, take a motion.
Well, I I actually have two comments. Okay. That um on the second page >> just because just to be sure we're clear everywhere we talk about it and perhaps I've misunderstood. It's about a quarter of the way down for the town center district. The proposal
includes mixed use on the first floor and the second bullet point says up to 25 ft deep and I think it should be at least 25. >> Right. At least. Yeah. not up to. So, it's not
>> And then um uh further down for Harbor's Edge, uh second sub bullet point, affordable housing requirements for developments. This is that old hugaboo of five units or more.
So, if you have five, one has to be affordable, >> right? >> Five units. It's uh the second residential allowed vote. >> Okay. And the other one was on
the max use up to would you say >> should be at least >> at least. Okay. Great. All right. Um take a motion for February or I think we have a motion for February 2nd. Um at the um as as amended. All in favor?
>> I >> Okay. February 9th. Um Sue was not here. Um make a motion. >> So moved. >> My name's >> Okay. Um and Ryan's name is spelled
wrong on February 9th. >> Okay. >> That's okay. We'll get that figured out. >> That's something. >> Hey, at least it's pronounced right. Uh, >> I used to be misspelled all the time. >> Where was it not spelled right?
>> Yeah. F R E Y. >> I know. But where was it? In the body of it. >> Call to order. >> Oh, okay. >> Just >> Oh, yeah. F R E Y. I'll just do that. Okay, great. Um, all in favor,
>> we can't vote. Okay. February 23rd. Heater was not here. I'll take a motion. So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Excellent. >> All right. >> Um, great. So, Mark, I want to see the
any whatever the changes are that you make from Rob's stuff. Just can we go over those? >> Yep. >> Um, just make sure that they're administrative and if there's any substantive change, we will post something like Thursday. >> Yeah. No, they're they're they're nons.
>> They're none. Okay. Yeah. Um, thank you for all the work you put into the presentations. I thought they were >> Sorry, it's so late. >> No, no. >> Anyway, um, I'll take a motion to adjourn. >> So, move. Second. Favor. I give up.
Thanks everybody.