Manchester by the Sea. Select board to order. Jeff here. Brian here. Kathy here. Ann is here. And John John is here. Next. The first item is is being uh this meeting
is being recorded. That's not an item. That's a declaration and avoidance of an open meeting law complaint. um experience with which we have experienced. Is there any public comment on
non-aggenda items here or online? [Music] No. Um the next item is the chairman's report. Um and I have nothing to report. Um, we
then discuss action items which are things that we want to discuss in the in the foreseeable future. You Kathy, you had a specialist in this. I have nothing to add. Okay. There are two there that that are that we talked about that are
not on today's agenda. One was the short-term bylaw. I saw it here on the um it's still on the action list, right? For the Yeah, still on the action. We just need to we'll carry those forward. Okay, I have two questions or comments.
Um, should we put in a schedule here for the harbor report? Yeah. You know, when that's due master plan. Ah. Um, that's not the harbor advisory
the harbor management. Um, I spoke to Sarah Kraton after we got the draft report and she said they had a lot of work to do. Um, so so it goes way down
the bottom. It was a second August meeting. Okay. Second August meeting. Second August meeting. Um, will you be here? She'll be online. Yeah, I'll be I'll be virtual. So you can you can if you want
to and appropriately at C. Um the other thing that we should have on there in the for um July 21st is a meeting with the with the uh board of health
or do you want should we do that? Would you do you think it would be better to do that as a an off? might make sense to do that as a special meeting. As a special meeting sooner if you could, but Okay, that's something to work out with scheduling. Okay. Can we see if we can
schedule it for the Okay, that's that planning board will be here on the um not this Thursday, but the following Thursday 26th That's a bad day. That's a bad day.
Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. What is the Thursday? First Thursday in July. Probably the fourth. The third. That's the third. Close. That's a bad day. Um, okay. How about the 10th? Okay.
What is that? The joint board of health. Joint board of health and and Yeah. Just I'm just suggesting that because I think you could get some resolution before your July 21st meeting. Yes, I think that'd be helpful.
Actually, then I'm going to change my um that I have nothing my comment that I have nothing to add. We did discuss um roles and responsibilities for the downtown improvement work having a discussion with planning board and the committee just to be clear
on roles and responsibilities so there's no overlap. Um so I I think we can discuss that at a select board meeting or a planning board meeting, but I just I think it should be on the action item list. Okay. What was it again? The roles roles and responsibilities um for downtown. Okay. Revitalization or what?
Okay. Invigoration. Yeah. And one other item, the facilities planning committee. Do we have a timeline for that yet? Nothing. Well, we should get something in place largely because the senior center activities are kicking in and
they need some direction through the facilities um planning committee sooner rather than. So, we just put out the notice for the three at large members. And is there a deadline for when that's supposed to? In other words, when can we elect those
or approve those members? Yeah. Again, it would be nice if you could do it on the seventh when you meet. I I think it would be helpful to at least make sure we have identified the other committees who are sending representatives. Set a deadline for those those large. We can Well, the seventh is a
long way away for that, but the at large people. All right. Can we put the seventh for that? So the seventh we will interview the atlarge people. Haven't received any but oh well at least for that I'll ask but oh we could do a little bit of yeah not
doing DC. So it does help to have a deadline. Yeah. Okay. So seventh. Okay. And giving the other committees a deadline to select their representatives as well. That could be early. Okay. So,
um, we need to do we have the proposed bylaw. Is there a proposed bylaw for the um short-term rental? No, we do not. So,
we need some direction on it's hard to review some, right? So would it make sense for one or two of you to work with planning board member or two? That might be a a good way to
good place to start on the short as an action and discuss it when we talk about liaison assignments. Okay. All right. Yeah. By then we'll have another T administrator also sworn in because he'll be probably having some significant um effort on that part as
well. you may want to offer. Okay. Um the next item is the new kind of administrator swearing in and we have Tony and a couple of very
special guests. Yes. With with us. So it' be great if all of them could come up perhaps. Yes. Come up to the center. Take a photo. You're welcome to bring the family. All right. Uh this is my wife Laura and my son
Rocco and daughter Amiia. Hello. Hello. Hello. Very excited. patient. I'm going to have you raise your hand. You Antonio Barleta solemnly swear that you will faithfully
and impartially perform your duties as town as town administrator for the town of Manchester by the sea to the best of your knowledge and ability according to the bylaws of the town, the laws of the common of Massachusetts and the constitution of the United States. I do.
Okay. You can come around anytime. You might regret that, but congratulations. Thanks for coming. Thanks. Bye. I was just gonna say, could we um
perhaps adjust the agenda? We have a lot of guests in the room who are going to be interviewing and Right. Hi. Um, can we just do the the um alcohol alcohol uh for the Manchester Yacht Club is
applying for alteration to their um alcohol license to instruct the area where the licensed area. Um are there any questions? Well, can you open the public hearing? Oh, sorry. Yes. Uh open
the public hearing. would like to open a public hearing for consider the alcohol license for Manchester Yuck Book. Ryan Ryan had like to open the public hearing. Ryan, that's your that Ryan's
call. Yeah. Yes. That's a long one to just just chill. Uh, I move that the select board open a public hearing on the alcohol license amendment alteration of premises application yard club 15 point road.
Sorry. Uh, say thanks. Okay. Second. Second. Okay, good. Uh, Jeff, yes. Brian, yes. Jackie, yes.
Is there any discussion? I'm just curious why. Huh? Um, it had been an applicant here. Oh, okay. I'm the commodor yach club and we have
um an attorney with us that that explain it. Yeah. So, good evening everyone. My name is Ryan Gazda. Um I'm the attorney representing St. Got Club. Uh by brief way of the description, um the present liquor license currently covers the entirety of the property, including the
interior of the premise as well as the floats and docks. Um the application tonight is with the intent to fine-tune that the description of premise for more um particularly as well as to scale back two portions of the property that are to be removed. um the rooftop deck, if you
will, and the um outdoor float and dock area. Purpose of that is really so members of the club who dock their boat will have the ability to drink their own beverages that they bring off of the boat onto the docks. Um but that will not those beverages will not go into the interior of the premise and vice versa, drinks from inside will not go onto the
docks. Uh but other than carving out those two areas to be removed from the current description, no changes are proposed and operationally nothing will change at the club as well. Uh that is basically the gist of it, but we're certainly happy to happy to answer any questions anyone might have.
Understood. Ready to go. Maybe we don't need to close the evidentiary portion of the hearing. There's reason why we shouldn't do that. I move that the select board close the evidentiary portion of the public hearing. Second.
Jeff. Yes. Brian. Yes. Academy. Yes. Ann says yes. John yes. Okay. I move the select board approve the alcohol license amendment to alter the premises to remove floats and upper deck from the existing premise description at the
Manchester Yach Club 15 Tux Point Road Manchester by the Sea. Show Street. Second. Joan. Yes. Answers yes. Kathy. Yes. Brian. Yes. Jeff. Yes. Okay. Thank you. You're very welcome.
I just want clarifications. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Now you would like to move to the Yes. Okay. Yes, I read this whole thing. You know,
front and back. Good. [Music] Jesus. The first of it of the many interviews is Donna Fur. Donna, would you like to make some remarks?
Um I wrote something small but um Donifer is a bat and lane saying that good evening and thank you for considering me for a position on your board of health. As a nurse with over 30 years of experience and a mother of four health and well-being has always been
central to my life. Serving on our local board of health would provide me with the opportunity to contribute to disease prevention and control and to help ensure a safe and healthy environment for our residents. I deeply respect the role of the board child in enforcing vital public health regulations and
promoting wellness. The board plays a key role in our town by establishing and upholding standards for housing, food service, and sanitation, often exceeding the minimum state requirements. As a local arm of both the Massachusetts Department of Public Health and the Department of Environmental Protection,
the board's responsibilities must be taken seriously and approached with care and commitment. If appointed, I will approach this role with thoughtfulness and dedication. I'll be fully prepared for each meeting through um through research and review and will actively engage in collaboration and with
informed discussions. Most importantly, I will work to promote health initiatives that benefit our community. I have the time and energy to fully dedicate myself to the responsibilities of this position. Thank you for your consideration. Thank you.
I don't have any questions as a comment, but I'm glad that you raised your hand. You've certainly been active in the community. Your reputation precedes you in that regard, and your background for this position is great. So, um I I think it's a great fit for you,
Donna. I agree with John's comments. Um just one question for you. Do you feel comfortable understanding the role of a board versus other types of leadership positions like like what Wendy Hanssbury does uh as a town employee? Do you feel
comfortable with that distinction? Yes, absolutely. And we work collaboratively together and majority will decide the outcome of, you know, what we discuss and and whatnot. But yes, I I I've only been to a few board of health meetings. I' I've met with them. I've met with
with Wendy. I look forward to learning and because I've never necessarily been on board but okay and that's fine you know there there's a first time for everything so I would encourage you to um understand that distinction boards are policy making y right as opposed to
managing day-to-day activities there there's so and and new board members sometimes um need that reminder um so sure I'm going to need a lot but I really appreciate you standing up here thank you appreciate stepping up your uh
credentials. Quite impressive. Thank you, Brian. Uh as John said, your reputation for Cues and yet we're still talking. I appreciate uh and you answer the question that uh we normally channel Dr. Jake on. You do
have a time. I do. Okay. Uh and your uh parents will speak for themselves. So I Thank you. Nothing. Uh, thank you for your willingness to step up and take this on. We appreciate it. I appreciate you guys. Thank you very much. And I can say
having worked with you on a couple of things that that you work very well with people you disagree with when it's necessary. You're civil and and persuasive. Thank you, Ann. I appreciate that. Thank you.
So, ready for All right. I I move that the board appoint Donna Bur as a member of the board of health for a term to expire on June 30th, 2027. Second. Um Jeff, yes. Brian, yes. Kathy, yes.
Ann says yes. John John says yes. Okay. Thank you very gentler. I can say anything. Thank you. Um, the next name, the next person is Matthew Gentas for the historic district
commission. Would you give us a word or two about why you want to do this and what you bring to the town? Well, thank you for Well, basically John asked me if I would take over. Yes. And I'm on the board of the uh
Manchester Museum. So, uh, it's a good and I have been on a historic district commission board in the past in the town of Delmont and oversaw, oh, a rethinking of one of the main streets
in town and and earmarking with a group of um, MIT students what might be deemed historic in the future. I worked on a demolition uh delay bylaw that with the town that got passed. Um and my
background in architecture and construction and remodeling old homes, I think I'm a good fit for position. Any discussions? You're a perfect fit. You know, you play that
just for those those who don't know. I mean, he is filling the slot of the historic district commission, of which there must be a slot filled on the um I mean, the museum. One of the slots on the district commission is for museum representative and also an architect. And so he's got background in both. And
I know that um your experience, Matt, and your interest in what's going on in town here will uh serve us well on the commission for sure. No question. I think your background is an excellent fit for what we're looking for. Thank you for set fing
sounds like you're going to be a good fit. So, thank you. Thanks. I move the select board appoint Matthew Genta as the Manchester by the Sea Museum representative member of the historic district commissioner for a term to begin July 1st 2025 and expire
on June 30th 2028. Second further discussion. Jeff, yes. Brian, yes. Yes. Says yes. John says yes. Excellent. Thank you very much. And and
the next applicant is Molly Gavin. Hi, I'm Molly Gavin and I would like to volunteer Foundation Board. My family has lived in most of us were born and raised in town. My grandparents
were both volunteers in town. My mother and father were volunteers as assesses. My sister was the board of on the board of health. And this is my first venture into volunteering for the town. I am surrounded with seniors. I belong to the
golden ages. I belong to the coun friends of the council on aging and I'm vice president of the Manchester women's clinic. I previously before I retired I worked for 27 years at Salem Hospital and the surgical services
which doesn't know what to do with older people but it does show that I get along and work well with others and I think that's really um a big point. I live at the plains, so I see people and I talk
to people that are my age all the time and I hear what they're saying. I'm looking forward to um speaking with more people about what they would like to see the seniors do in
town. We're one of the rising demographics in town. I think we're up to 32% of the town over the age of 60. So there's really a need for the counsel agent to really listen to the seniors in
town and that's why I volunteering. Great. Yeah. No, Holly, thanks for uh raising your hand. You are indeed surrounded by seniors all day, every day. It sounds like there's no question. I do
you know the other members of the COA? I assume you probably do because Jane Metrono is my husband's cousin. Okay. All right. And I I know that there is vacancy or two, I think, on the COA. You're filling one of them for sure. So,
or we're hope hopeful that's the case. But, uh, thanks for raising your hand and we think you'll be a great asset because you're listening to your peer group, so to speak, every day. Yeah, sounds like you're already well on
your way to being involved. So, thank you. Thank you, Brian. No, I you know, I think that I appreciate you stepping up. I think uh you're absolutely right. Our demographic is shifting or has already shifted. So, the
same is needed on bigger spots. Thank you. Yeah, I think you're well qualified and you're we're just kind of making this official. You're already engaged. So, thank you very much for me. Yep. I move that the board appoint
Gavin as a member of the Council on Aging for a term to expire on June 30th, 2028. Yes. Says yes. Kathy Brian. Yes. Yes. Congratulations. Unanimous again. Congratulations. Oh, yes. Thank you.
Thank you. All right. We have Eva and Jen here. If you wanted to go to the bond official any got your pens warmed up. This is the 32page insert in this. These
are just the signature pages. So all you got to do is I think I'll start here. You sign goes along and it'll end with me. No, let's take the vote first. Yeah, take signed yet. So I don't know if you want to just give
a quick Yeah. overview of what we're doing here. Yes. Your spending really quick matter of minutes. These are all the closing documents for the bond anticipation note worth 1 million
um for the next year and then I think it'll be back within a year for the next part of the what was already approved in last uh 2024. So so so we're going to spend all we're going to spend 4.1 million in a year here. Yeah, we're half
we're already halfway there. Yeah, we have spent most of the cash already. replenish cash. Okay. So, so this is for the sewer and water. The sewer and uh yes, sewer treatment stuff that's been going on for quite a few months. This is the water.
This is the 4.1 water. Yes. Oh, the water going to be is being worked on, but that'll be mainly spent during FY26 and then next year paying ourselves. Yes. Two vans probably for one bond. Yes. That was my question
is you're going to do a series of bands and then a single bond for the seven million or whatever it is that comes out to be. Yes. Thanks. Right now it's just planned on the two bands. Yes. Is there any any sense of where the market is
going? Sorry. I mean I was very pleased to get this rate. Oh, that your your rate is great. I think it's a good reflection on Manchester that we come across as a safe bet in a pretty uh uncertain moment. So,
so that bodess well for us, but no, I I'm not going to for Okay. So, do you assume we there's no reason to go to directly to a bond now? Yeah, I don't think so. No. No. And the higher the bond amount too like that's more
attractive and it's considered like a small like millions of dollars considered small. So if we can like just roll it over and then also one part of the plan is you know we have the capital assessment for the water. Um we want to use some of that next year to pay down
some of this band before we roll it over again. So that'll save us an interest cost um as well. Okay. B unless the numbers go up, in which case you'll keep it. No, the whole plan was to just roll in the middle. So, okay. All right. Less
bar, less pay. Okay. Um, but you know, there were a lot of documents and so these are just the signature pages because those documents put me to sleep. I know. I know the people who that's
their job. pretty persistent sweet comingings instead. That's a good idea. Any um is there further discussion? My motion? Yes. I move that the select board adopt the vote prepared by bond
council in print before the board in connection with the sale of $4.1 million in general obligation bonds anticipation notes of the town and sign related closing documents. Second. Further discussion.
Ryan. Yes. Yes. Yes. Says yes. John. Yes. Says yes. Okay. Now you can start passing it around. Yeah. Pass
him down. Tastes like pro. You'll see what question is too. Quick. Am I like five pages? I sign something. We're gonna No one ever asked nicer. I think that's it. Wonderful. Thank you guys.
It was for the next one. Yeah, if you don't mind just for this next topic. Yeah. Questions on that. Um, would you like to explain generally what what we're doing. Sure. So, um,
Tom provides health insurance coverage for both active employees and core files. Um, part of general law that was adopted many, many decades ago. Um, and for the active re employees, we have
been slowly shifting percentages. The town paying a little less percentage and employees picking up a little more. We have not done that for retirees. It has really stayed at the same 20 7525 for
long enough. Although those that retired at 7030 because now that's been a long we actually had people retiring at the 7030 rate, they stay at 7030 as retirees. But all the grandfather people Yeah. hold steady at 7525.
So the the suggestion is that you should move off of those who are still at that 7525 split and and move to 7030 to be in line with all the other um regular staff and and so that they don't actually have
a lower percentage when they retire when they retire and their income goes down and so um so that's part one is for uh retirees who who are Medicare eligible that they would go to that 7030 split.
Um, and then we do have employees who retire before they're 65. Um, and if they do, they stay on the active plan and we have been paying that 7030 split or
Yeah. Whatever they retire at, they'll stay at, right? Um and so the recommendation is um for those folks in that situation um that we really shouldn't be paying that much for health insurance. So we really should go to the minimum which is
5050. And so that's again that's the second part of the proposal is that you would um again and the proposal here is to to give people a year's notice. gives them plenty of time to understand what's
what's coming down the pike and time to adjust as needed or to make different decisions if they choose. Um so implement this starting a year from now July of 26 actually. So um
the bulk of retirees are on the medex plan right and that's a calendar year run type thing. Yeah. So, and I agree a year would be a good notice amount particularly for the ones that retired 20 30 years ago. And you know, they did just in they just experienced a very big
increase this year. Medicare recipient the Medex plan up about 20%. It's the highest increase since I've been here. It's the first big one. So waiting six months and then in January maybe saying hey come next year at this time contribution will split into 70 because
it wouldn't really work to do it on a fiscal anyway it's mid year for bulk of the retirees but um it gives them plenty of time to look around and buy the plan if they want gives them an entire open enrollment period or other plans outside so that January of 2027 would probably
be the best roll out for the contribution level change for Medicare at this point unless you want to do it in six months which I think is they might not have time to get you know an open enrollment to look around for another plan in case they want to plus they just had that huge increase so to
add on top of that this gives them a year and a half to get used to that increase before absorbing the the next one will so retirees have a choice of Medicare or Medex if they're sorry um they once Medicare eligible they have to go Medicare they go Medicare Medex is
supplement plan offered by the town. Well, that's a supplement plan offered by the town. Okay. For it's for retirees over 65. Yeah. Goes beyond that. Okay. All right. So, it's a supplemental. It's not And that's all that the town contributes to. Obviously, not no Medicare or anything like that. Just the supplement and that's an option. Yeah. I
don't know what percentage of There are a lot of plans out there, a lot of supplement plans in the Yeah. market. Yeah. So, they don't have to go with the towns. Why um 5050 for the early retirees?
So it's it's really because of the expense of the I I know that's a really expensive So it's it's so we it's not something we like to encourage people to do our early
we I thought we had positions from which your retirement was required public safety for one yeah that's mostly what you'll see people retiring mostly retirees with active plans are are public safety Yeah, because they can retire a little earlier. And when
they're retiring, that Medex plan is not a supplemental plan because if they're retiring before 65, they need they can't get the Med. Exactly. They have to stay in the active HMO plan, the regular, right? Instead of staying on on a full full healthare plan. Yeah. They're staying right on the full healthare. So,
this would not apply to them. This Med exchange proposal, the med exchange doesn't. Their contribution rate goes from 70 30 or 65 35 to 5050 whatever the town's
plan is. Yes. From to from 75 to 5050 5050 5050 for the public safety. What? I thought that confused me. I thought you said the 50/50 was only for the early retirees who were on Okay. I think I know what Greg is intending here. He
wants to go 7030 across the board for all medics. That's the bulk of retirees, right? Over 65 and on a Medicare supplement plan. They are currently the ones grandfathered at 7525. So, and some of them been around for decades and they're, you know, not going anywhere.
So, it's about changing that to 7030. However, what we call active plans are people who retire before the age of 65 and aren't Medicare eligible. So, they have to retire with their HMO or their whatever very expensive plan. I think you're suggesting that anybody who
retires on an active plan, it's a 50/50 contribution rate. Anybody who is Medicare eligible, they'll be on the 7030 split with the Medicare supplement. How many people would that affect right now? Active plans. Yeah, that's the numbers. I would say probably same,
dozen. I think it would make sense for us to get a little more information and to have it clear in writing what it is you're asking us to approve because some of the nuances you're describing here were not clear to me based on the
package that we received. Yeah. I'm a confused and concerned that public safety have to retire. Right. Okay. I be penalized because they have to retire. Right. That doesn't What happens with somebody who gets hurt
on the job or something like that? You can retire, but you don't have to retire. You can work till 65. The question was asked, maybe you didn't hear it. The question was asked, are some of our public safety professionals required to retire at a certain age?
Required before 65. Not before 65. Okay. So, not 65. So this is somebody who in theory can afford to retire early. Yes. And you want you're suggesting that they could afford to pay more. Correct. Okay. It's a choice. It's something forced
upon. Right. It's not a force. So and I heard the same thing you did. So I just think so that's why I'm asking for something laid out in writing just a one pager. What are we you know a little chart here because I I I think I missed that nuance. some of the information you're describing here is a little bit
um right we didn't go into the details of the public safety enough and that that is a concern yeah and how many people does this affect so I like your suggestion giving them a year and a half you know what's the cut over period would it be the same for everybody or just you know I'm thinking of a table I
want a table you know I love my charts I want a table okay you want that pie or do you want a graph no just a table chart you know here's what the way it is now here's what we're looking to change. Here's how many people it would affect the effective date. That would just make
it super easy to I've got a but what's the definition of active what's the definition of active plan? In other words, a plan that the town offers at the moment just to intend current employees. Yeah. Right. We call it active because active employees meaning
you're actively employed not retired. Typically the way it goes, right? But it says active plan. So that's the HMO the one whatever the HMO or the whatever the the plan is that's in force and if a if somebody retires before 65 the
suggestion here is that's a 50/50 split if they stay on that plan. Yes. Now if they say I get a better deal elsewhere all bets are off and they're paying 100%. It's their problem. We're not they have a spouse who can cover them.
The other side of it is they may have a spouse that's dependent on it, right? So that's why giving people a year and a half is I like that suggestion because they have plenty of time to research plans. In theory, if someone is retiring before 65 or 67,
whatever their date is, they can afford to do so. So, but this would change their math a little bit. You want to give them enough time before they put in their pay. often if the plan is attractive and they can afford it, they won't bother to consider. Nowadays, you know, typically retired couples also
have two, right, two social securityities, two options. You know, it's no longer just the single worker in the household. So, everybody's relying on the same plan. So, it's kind of to incentivize them to look around and say, would you do better here or there? You know, what happens to somebody who has
to retire for a medical reason? So, so if they're medical reason, they may be on medication, right? So, if they're on Medicaid, then they could have the minutes disability. No, I mean, if you're if you have medical issues, you're you're still
working. Disability, right? Disability, social security disability. Medicaid is a different thing. That's Yeah, it's Medicare disability, right? Well, maybe they have a medical condition, but it's not enough to be fully disabled. They just can't see continue in the role that
they had. But that's not a retirement issue. That's a disability issue. Short-term disability versus long-term disability. That's that's, you know, how do you handle those? Well, down the road though, they would Well, I guess Well, I mean, today you
could have the same issue. You know, someone at 59 has a medical issue and they can't wait from 65 or whatever. You know, that's a disability issue. Um so well because if I'm wrong then my understanding was that if you had that kind of a qualified disability you can start Medicare
earlier. Yes, you can go on disability, right? So, if you have a disability, you could go on Medicare before you're 65 and then you could have and then you're just on the medics. Once you have your Medicare card, then you the Medal
MedX to Medicare. Yes. Then they're in one of the other bulleted points here, right? Yeah. It's not 65. Okay. Yeah. So the 50/50 is only for those people who proposal 50/50 proposal is only for those people who choose to
retire early in theory because they can afford to do so. And so if they can afford to retire early, we are suggesting they pay a little more. So that's not and the thoughtful consideration that typically a position that retired is going to be filled and the town may be paying two family plans
now for the one position. So, y okay, I can get you more info if you want. How long will it take you to pull together that information? I So, I have to admit, Kathy, I'm sorry. I'm not good with tables. I'm a talker. I know all this in and out.
I don't think people if I just had my invoices in front of me, we could talk numbers. I think it's still helpful on writing with um with the numbers of people impact. So categorize, you know, here's what you want change number one. Here's how many people it affects and
here's the savings to the town, you know. And I I'd also like to know how many people we have um in the active retired active who are um a family plan. Yep. Sure. I can get that easily. And I mean somebody might have eight years
left on that plan. Somebody might have eight months, you know, just because they're retired on plan. I don't know for how long. you have options if you want to do a going forward type of thing which I hope not because it's an even more calculation but um again the more the more warning people get to this so
maybe you're thinking of trying the next year then you're ready to think about it and you figure that out you know um I can get those numbers so how many it would impact and who's on what are okay yes can you get it by she can make a
table she can make a pretty table Yeah. Can you get us for Can you get us for an FD? Sure. Okay. Yeah. That'll give Wait, when is that? I should say that.
7th. July 7th. July 7th. Sweet. You an extra week. Okay. Because they got Sure. I mean, I might just send it off way before then. Okay.
Is that good? Any other questions? This stuff is Yeah. been doing this a long time. Okay. I would love to I would welcome the 7030 because there's a lot of contribution levels and I just think it's consistent. So, an incremental thing. You don't want
to jump from 25% to 50, you know, for a retired Medicare person, you know, 25. So, well, the the bill for the medex is a lot less than the bill for the full active family plan. And the plan is good. So, they like it.
And I'm sure even with the 5% contribution level increase, it would still be a really attractive plan with Blue Cross nationwide plan. Everybody's very happy with it. Never heard one person complain about the medics. So, Bill
on our agenda are several end of year. Um, are there any has everyone reviewed them? And are there any that we have questions about? I got I got some
questions. Uh, one of them, well, there's a general question. First of all, there's a lot of money coming out of what? Health insurance. You're shifting out of health insurance. Yeah. To cover other things. How come? What's going on with health insurance? Why have you got all that money left over there? Usually have a
cushion of about um three to four plans. Um I believe this is two. You needed two plans and now this is the only two plans. I'm using some money there. Okay. I mean that's kind of expected. Usually that happens every year. I mean I can't
remember past years. So a lot of times that's a source of money. It is and we've like we've dialed it in a bit so it's a it's a lot less of a cushion. Okay. Couple of uh individual questions.
Um parking ticket processing $26,000. We receive revenue from the parking sticks. I understand that. However, we must pay from an appropriation to the vendor for use of the stat sticks and related program. I didn't know that there was any other cost to us other than we were splitting
the money. Right. Isn't that how we're splitting it? It is how we're splitting it. So, the way it works like they they'll send us money and then whatever the fee minimum fee it is, um we have to send that back out. Ryan, run that by me again on my phone. So it's almost like
the ambulance like you know they send out the bill they collect the money they send it to us but then we have to pay the vendor at their fee of collecting that money. So so now like they don't net it. So it's like a $100 and they send us $40 and then we got to send them
back they send us and then we have to send them so they get the hundred they send all of it to us. Okay. So they don't pay without money. Yeah. They send all of our money and we get to pay them. Well disguised. Okay. Yeah. So, but right right now that those numbers are
working out, I guess. Yeah, we do want to um make sure that the that they're adhering to the agreement that we had with them, not charging us minimum during the non-use months. That's something that that the chief is going to follow up on to make sure that that's
the case. But the uh the intended use of these sticks is to turn parking spots over. Wasn't that the two two uses. One is to turn them over. The other is to the fire hydrant. You know, people not parking too close to
the I thought there was one category of the sticks that should be used year round because no one should be blocking a fire hydrant no matter what time. I don't know why they put a that doesn't I wouldn't think that would pay for them. Put it next to a fire hydrant. No, I mean or you know the so many so many feet from the crosswalk and you know
those should be active year round. Why wouldn't we? Yeah, that's a detail that we have to double check. I think I think you need to double check that because we don't want to I assume at some point down the road there might be kind of some sort of account we will ask for. I think just to
say because right now there's still they're well into the middle of the experiment to see what beyond experiment we've expanded. So yeah. So I mean right now the trend looks good. Uh, second question, police expenses, additional expenses for vehicle repairs, ammunition
costs. We run out of ammo. What's going on here? What are they? Well, the ammo prices have um increased significantly that we weren't expecting. Was this for target rangers? They're not shooting for training. Okay. Yeah. And they have um more required state trainings of our
ammunition. So, that was like a kind of double landing for that. The other factor was he's reduced the amount of time other force other departments use our firing range and they used to give us ammo in exchange
for using our range. So that's okay. So people, you know, we're getting complaints about the noise at the firing range. So he's he has cut back on the use. We're not going to buy ourselves. We got to buy our own ammo. Correct.
Um and the other question I had was the found report printing. Yeah, that's a good discussion to have. Should we start that now? Yeah, I think we should start that discussion. Did we discuss this one? 10,000. Yeah, we should discuss this one. Uh, and I don't know that
printers has gone from what 10,000 copies down to 5,000 down to 2500 this year or just for the for the final report but down to 400 400. That one was fine. It's it's the annex
little booklet. Yes, that's the color book. Yes, the color book. Yes, I have a copy here. You know, staff recommendation would be to black and white. Go digital. This thing. Yes. What is this like 20 bucks a copy
or something? I haven't done the math for for coffee. I mean, it's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah. Have you gone out? Yes. Yeah. Same. I mean, toner is expensive. I know. I I was just trying to do the math here and I didn't like the numbers I was coming
up with on a per copy basis. I could say I could show you the bill, Josh. Oh, I I I believe. Yeah. So, should we revisit this in a couple of months? Yeah, I think we probably got to pay the bill. But paying the bill. No, forward. Maybe
put this on the uh agenda item or something. What are other towns doing? Some a lot of them are digital. Digital. Yeah. A simpler format lot just use 8 map by 11 which is less expensive.
um not doing color. They're not doing pictures, you know. So, put it on digitally. We can make it as pretty and colorful as we want and just stick it on. I tell you why the staples. Yeah. I went to a town a few months or so, a
town where I used to live and I said I just thought I just wanted to see their report. They went to the printer and printed out a 75page report. He said, you know, I'm sitting there just cranking it out because they're only going to have to do that 10 times. I'm
one of those guys and everything else uh was digital. That was it. QR codes in I think I like we can discuss this while we're Yeah, we talk about that with Tony. Let's talk about this in October. And you put that
down there on the that thing. I have it written. Perfect. Those are all the ones I have. Um the only one I had a question on was the police overtime. So what what was the scoop on that?
What's kind of driving that? That was the additional um trainings, state mandate trainings um in compliance with accreditation and posts and all of that. Um for the harbor m for the or just
the separate separate so for new police officers or just we forgot to plan or we didn't know originally about the additional trainings. So post increase the amount of required hours per officer
post made changes post. Yeah, I know. They they made changes the Well, they didn't want, right? They articulated their demands. Okay. So, we're just understanding what the requirement was
all along. Okay. All right. Yeah. You know, an officer on medical leave, another on maternal. Right. Understand. And I just like I said that seems to be more of a planning issue here though. So we just whatever the lesson learned is we should take
that into account. We'd be good for 26. Yeah. I'm just concerned about this line out about selecting salaries. I don't remember getting one. I think that's why it's zero.
There's a transfer going there. I'm not higher math. Okay. Um, Ryan, you make a motion or Yeah, I'll make that motion as soon as I find it. I might have one more question.
Okay. Okay. And and really it's kind of at the end. We're in the black this year, I assume. Yes. Overall, yes. Okay. So, I I didn't quite understand confidently. Yes. Okay. We are in the black, but we transferred $150,000 out
of our our fund reserve of which is what like three and a half $4 million. No, these are not coming out of the reserves. It's not coming out of the reserves. Where's it coming from? So, the FI there's two different reserves. We have a annual operating finance committee reserve fund which is $150,000
that we voted for FY25. Okay. And then we also have our other reserves that we that include free cash and stabilization that we vote from before town meeting for capital and other things like that. So there's this same thing. This is
something that's explicitly given to the finance committee to handle overruns. Yes. Unexpected occurrences. It's not expected to be carried over from year to year. And he used it all. We generally we generally use it all. Okay. I mean,
frankly, we would we would we tap it first before we start shifting dollars from one account to another because those dollars just flow back. Well, they both flow back into free functions, but yeah, just a general practice, but we're on trend. I mean, there's only a couple of weeks left and that'll be in the
black. Yeah, this this is anticipating what we think. My best guess is over the next few weeks. I yield to Brian. All right. Uh, I move that the selection board approve the interdep departmental transfers and reserve fund request as presented.
Second. Thank you that you second it. Further discussion. Jeff. Yes. Brian. Yes. Kathy. Yes. Answers. Yes. John. Yes. Okay. I assume you have a stack of paper for
me. Yes. Okay. I will I will stay after school as signals. Okay. Thank you. I'm sorry. That's okay. Thank you. Wendy is here. Greg, do you want to start the
discussion with you guys? Sure. Sure. Um, so as as I can explain in the memo and I think you're getting up to speed, we have a situation with the gates. Katrina is is
here this evening. Uh and uh this started uh I guess in earnest about a year ago with some concerns about the roof. A permit was applied for to do some roof repairs, but it was never acted upon. Um and then
this past fall, um concerns were brought to the attention of of the health agent. um and she reached out to the gauges to try to talk to them about the concerns. Um at that
time it was um came to the understanding that the property does not have running water which is a sort of a pretty bright line of state law. any any home that is
occupied needs to have running water, cold water and hot water functioning for it to be a habitable uh home. Um and so the u the board of health in instituted the request to to the gauges to make
those improvements. Um that was in November and December. I believe if I have my timeline right, the gates has agreed to to start those improvements and
would would share that information with the board to get contractors lined up and ready to do that work. Um come March, nothing had changed that we could that we understood and so the board
again engaged with the gates um and held a held a formal meeting with the gauges and voted to give them one month to um to again show progress. meaning
they board wanted to see um contractor brought on board so that the work would would be undertaken. Um again nothing happened. Nothing was shown to the board that that was the case. Um and then
uh the board had another hearing with with Katrina present and they voted at that meeting that they needed to take it to to court. Um and so uh court hearing was held. The judge gave another 30 days
to um to make the improvements. That 30 days ended June 9th. Um and again um no progress as far as we are aware. So that brings us to where we are today. Um, again, there's a real desire to to
bring the house up to code so that the gates can live there properly um in in comfort and and and according to state law. So, the state laws are pretty explicit and straightforward, particularly when it comes to the
running water. Um and so the judge at the uh original hearing back in May um suggested that if no progress was made by June 9th that he would recommend that the case proceed to receiverhip. And so
what that would mean was that the town would go back to the judge and say, "Yes, we would request that the property be placed under receiverhip." the judge would assign a receiver. Um, a receiver is a person whose job it is to um make
sure that that work gets done on a piece of property to bring it up to code. So, the receiver would actually hire the contractor, pay for the contractor, um, and have that work completed. Once that is done, a bill would be given to the
property owner. In this case, the gauges would get a bill from the receiver uh paying for the work of the contractor plus the receiver has a fee as well. So in addition to the fee for the contractors, there would be a
fee to pay to the receiver. Um and if the u the property owner makes that payment, then all is good. They continue to live in the property. The property has no leans. it's it's theirs free and clear and they can they can live in the
property. That's now up to code. Um if the property owner were not to pay for the receivers's fees for the contract to work when they receive a fee, then the receiver does have the option of putting
the house on the market, collecting his fees both for the contractor himself and giving the balance of the proceeds to the owner. Um obviously the house would no longer be in their name so not a desired outcome by by any
means. Um um so the the process of of going to receiverhip and having that signed and and ordered by a judge is probably a two and a half three-week period um from the
time you say let's let's continue to that level. Um, so that would give the the Gateses another, you know, another three weeks to come into compliance or at least to get the ball rolling in that direction. And if there was evidence of a contractor on
board making the necessary improvements, then then we wouldn't we would we would tell the judge not to proceed with the receiverhip. Yes. Wait, my first question is the time between you sign I sign a contract with a
contractor and the time they show up tends to be more than three weeks. Right. So I think the board was comfortable with with um having a signed contract that that was that was signs of good progress and and that that um shows
a very good faith effort on on the owners to to correct it. I assume that turning the water on is also that's doesn't require a contract, right? That that needs to be part of the work. Yes. Yeah. So, that's that's where it is. Um
uh we have uh Wendy Hanssbury who's our health agent. She's on on online. She can answer additional questions. She knows the details of that timeline that I briefly went over in better detail than me. Um, so if you have specific questions about that, certainly if one
could help. Um, and obviously the gates are here as well, so they can answer questions. So I have a question. What what is our responsibility as a select board versus the board of health on this? So this is a board of health
matter, but you control the purse pert. So when there's a, you know, going to court, you ultimately have the the say as to whether or not to proceed with court proceedings. So that's your will. So that's what we're voting on or we're deciding. Yeah.
So you your authorization to proceed with, you know, court expenses. You have to continue to pay legal town council to to process this and appear before the judge. And so there's expenses obviously involved. My next question is, is there a hard
trip here? Why this hasn't happened or well, so I certainly think the gates can speak to that address. Could you give us your name? I live at Michael Gates. I live at 31 school street which is across the street from
2000 Avenue in my parents house. I live across the street. There are several mischaracterizations of continue throughout this uh one. There has been a contractor
here at the SN contract that he has been spoken with and he came and did the roof on my house just a few weeks ago and the same contractor is also the one who was in talks to do the this is goes beyond last year to do their home as well. So
that the idea that no one has been uh contacted to do the work is incorrect and has been pointed out several times and but there there is no signed contract. So that is that that's the evidence that they're looking for there
and the contract provided with them there will be for their home as well once they determine the full extent and mother also addition and several other things. So it's not just the group. Um another clarification uh this is to do
with the water specifically. This is what the judge on May 9th um uh his adjudication was that reconnect the water within a 30-day period. So that is accurate. In the course of that time my father on
14th of May ended up going to the emergency room for an eye condition. Um, so our doctors and working so we've had some issues going on at the same time. So he was in the hospital for a week and then he was in the patient for another
week. So I was u my parents neither of them currently have a car or drive. My dad's 91. And so I'm I've been shuttling them back and forth to hospitals and rehabs. And so we've had a lot of things going on. Meanwhile, I'm also
myself been uh speaking with lawyers to try and figure out what's going on like because I didn't know exactly was the 9th to the 9th or from the day that the the filing was received because even though the court case was on the 9th, the notification of the verdict was received about a week later. So I myself
would go on to Salem court to to ask about this and get clarification from myself like is it on 9th to the 9th or is it 15th to the 15th when we received a notification during the course of the last month I I have been in contact with a plumber he's been communicating with
me for about three weeks now um in order the reason the water was off my parents house initially was because privacy frozen one winter u and there there were leaks in in the system because of that. So the water was shut off. Um the plumber who I've been in communication
with is aware of this. Um access into the basement has been very difficult. Uh so we have located three of the locations um that need to be addressed for the frozen pipes. But the plumber also needs to get access to a crawl space that's under the kitchen. And so
during the course of the last several weeks, I've been slowly clearing out the basement so that the plumber can get full access to all the piping within the house so that he doesn't just turn on the the flood waters basically and flood the house again. Um so we're that's sort of the sort of the practical things of
what's been going on within the last couple weeks to address this issue. Um I've gone back to Salem Courthouse myself to ask about this and they said that because I wasn't quite sure how this proceeds with court filings and everything else. Um I'm aware of something called an injunction where you
can stop a court proceeding. So I asked is that what we need to do or what she she said the person who I spoke with was I don't name off hand but um she told me that no you wouldn't need to file an injunction. You could just file for a motion to delay but you don't actually
file for the motion to delay until there's another court case date. And currently there is no future court date. So you wouldn't be able to file the motion for delay until you have a future court date. So I was like, "Okay, well she said we'll just, you know, keep track of what you have been doing and present that um so that they know you've
been making a good faith effort to resolve the issue." So that's what I've been doing. I've been contacting the plumber plumber will be addressing the situation. The first team needs full clear access to all of the basement and um that's what I've been working on
myself trying to get. Um there's about twothirds of it that's accessible. There's one there that's still to go before he can get into the crawl space that my parents house is built in the 1700s. And so there is no full basement, especially under kitchen. You It's quite literally a a crawl space that you have
to get into. So um the plumber just needs me to clear more areas for him to get to to access the full plumbing of the house um to address the connection of the water. Um so that's uh just some of the clarifications of
some of the misconceptions that were presented. My mother has other things to talk about. Not I also have some questions. Okay. Okay. So it's my understanding that um
these actions are requested because there is an impression that somebody is living in the house. Okay. So um because if some if there's a house that's you know not
great shape or you know in progress of repairs and no one's living there and the water shut off, who cares, right? The the pity. The lynch pin here is is somebody living in the house. So I would like to know if someone is living in the
house and if no where are they living because it seems to be some disconnect there as to if I can just finish my comment. Yes. Thank you. Yeah. So to me that that's the lynch pin here is is there evidence
that somebody is living in the house? Um because that without that I think the whole thing falls apart. So um yes, my name is Katarina Gates and we're the owners of two days. Um
I when we first had we we went from the beginning how the water was shut off and the roof we knew needed to be fixed on the ground back side of the roof was problem. The roof started having a problem after we rebuilt the chimney from the roof line up. And we didn't
know that the the person who did the chimney stepped in the wood edge of the thing and didn't tell us. Just walked away, got his money, and eventually with the winter coming, we realized there was some problem with the roof and we found
out where and that's where all the question is the roof. The question is where are you living? So now when we were confronted with this see first we started uh the water was off because we don't buy water to drink you buy water
to drink anyway. So we have the house and we felt we need whether you drink town water or not is not what what is Michael's house. Yes. Four bedrooms three bathrooms two with baths one with sour. They said, "Where are you
going to go take a shower?" We have been there since three years ago doing that, but we were sleeping in our home. That's the only thing we're doing. They said, "You cannot sleep in your house." In the house is happening. It's not in the house because we have been leaving the
light on. Even though we're months, four, five months away, every year the light in the kitchen has been on in the hallway all year around day. Are are you sleeping in at his house on the bench? not bench on a couch that is a double
couch and opens up. We don't sleep in our house and the neighbors who talk to them. I wonder who are these neighbors who have never come home in our ever in our home to know what we're doing or when we're there what we're doing. And I was I was reading in the filings that
witnesses said we were living in the house. Even the first report that was done about having our we have blocked our entrance to our home, it was not even corrected because the first time I heard that um when we were approached
for the first time October 17th that was the first we're really not terribly involved with access to the house right at the moment. Yes, you did not even corrected ever that it was not it was only for overnight. Michael had put some
items on the front steps and the the two questions in front of us right now are the roof. Yes. And getting the roof contact. Are you living there? Are you sleeping there? Yes. We're sleeping at his place
on in the library. He has a double couch to turn into a double bed. Yes. Could could you let Michael answer? So, we're technically all living in the house I live in. However, their clothes and things are in their house and I have to go and I'm in and out of their house
all the time, usually at very strange hours because I I'm I do things at night a lot of times. So, I'm in and out of their house all the time trying to empty the basement on my time. So, I've rented a storage unit that I've been transferring their things into of
the Brady storage facility and um so there are people in and out of the house all the time. It's not that the house has been abandoned and left. Um, so I don't but we always anyway. I understand some people that might be considered habitation, but um, you know, when we
had the first So I was at the first meeting when it was in the I don't know if it was the same board, but it was and um, the impression they were not going to allow us to go in and out of the house at all. like we were just supposed to vacate the house and never access it. It was very confusing because
I was like, well, how are we going to address any of these issues that I can't even go in the house, which was um I don't know if this is some of the confusion, but I'm in there several times a day, usually at odd hours. Um myself, another
clarifying question I have. So I understand the issue of so um in the documentation we provided and I I I was not clear to me what the exact issues were that had to be addressed for habitability. Um I so I sent an email to
Wendy and she basically said the running water um and she sent the law you know about what you know has to be addressed to consider a home habitable. Um, but
you know, it's heat, it's utilities, you know, all that stuff. But what's not clear to me is the water shut off is something you she said the water was was shut off at the homeowner's request. So, it's like not like somebody didn't pay the bill. They
requested that the owner that the water was shut off. And that's clearly in the board of health's purview, but I guess was infused that items of construction like a roof is under the board of health's per I'm
trying to understand to to Jeff's earlier question, where does their purview begin and end um issues of construction? Are they worried that the house is going to fall down on somebody, the roof is going to fall down or Yeah.
So Wendy's on the line perhaps we can have her address that you don't mind Wendy orbody. Pardon me I had um I couldn't hear the other people speaking. So
the question of so I I understand that it is the board of health's responsibility to make sure that there is running water in a home in order for it to be inhabited. I was unaware that the board of health had
purview over construction defects or um issues like that like the roof. The roof obviously needs some repair. I'm wondering how that falls under the purview of the board of health unless you are worried that the roof is
going to cave in on somebody. So that would be I'm confused about jurisdiction here. Yeah. Yes. So the jurisdiction is minimum standards of human habitation. So the state of Massachusetts has
determined that you are required to have a roof in good repair on your dwelling. The state of Massachusetts says you have to have uh you know a shower of a certain size
and uh plumbing of a certain you know type amperage in of electricity of a certain standard. These things are considered minimum standards for human habitation and the state sanitary code
encompasses all of that and that is under the purview of uh public health the Okay, that that helps. Thank you. I guess my question though is how bad does a roof have to be in order to be so
serious that the home would be you know un roof problems in my old house and no one tried to you know so I'm just how bad does it have to be I'm certainly if you know there's you were in danger of rafters falling down on somebody or
major hole a major hole and you know the rain just comes in I can certainly understand that, but I'm not understanding how serious this roof issue is. Uh, and how the board of health determined it was it was serious enough to warrant this type of action. I I
think it's a gray area in terms of what is and is not in heaven. And that's that's a difficult thing to deal with. I'm looking at this from another perspective and saying water I think is black and white. that I would ask the question, what do you need to get a cert certificate of
occupancy from a building inspector? They cannot. If they walk through that house, the water, right? Right. You're you're out right with the water. But beyond that, what do you need, Wendy?
I don't believe they can get a certificate of occupancy unless they do a certain amount of renovation in the entire house. Uh certificate of occupancy my understanding uh is not necessary.
What we are discussing is not necessary for what to meet the sanitation sanitary code. Um, and just regarding the roof, I understand that there might be a
little bit of subjectiveness, although I would there there would be people who would argue with that that it's fairly black and white as well. But I think we have worked with the gates and I know that
um I have photos uh from you know off Google uh and and actually no near map. I apologize. The the town has aerial photography that is available that shows that there have been tarps on that roof
for quite a number of years. Um I went back to 2013 or 12 and there were tarps there. So it's not a question of us um going there and
being roofers and or building inspectors. Um there there is a need for repairs. Um substantial repairs it would appear from a visual inspection. Um,
what is the exact what is the exact repair that's needed to the plumbing in order for there to be running water? So, they have never allowed us inside the house. That might be additional issues. We have no idea if they have sinks, toilets, baths. That's not
anything that we know about. We're just looking at the outside of the building and have determined that there are items that are below what the state requires
for minimum standards. Seems like water is needed and more specifically hot water is needed. So a plumber is needed. No question. And it sounds like there is no contract with anybody. There a contract with anybody a piece of
paper for the plumber. Well, that would be important guy verbal exchange. I mean, he and I have exchanges. He's just waiting for me to clear the rest of the may I ask may I
tell you basically you may not clear the basement for him to check the whole system. So, he he's seen the parts that I've that we've address seen so far that are damaged. They're pipes that have like the seam is split because the pipe they're common pipes and yeah the pipe froze. So there are three or four
sections like that that he's aware of but there may be others that he can't access yet to look at. So but he doesn't want to start until he can address the whole system. It's not a question of starting. It's a question of having a contract to start. Well he can't
he can't really give an estimate unless he knows the full extent of it. So, can we get can you get a contractor to do an assessment? An assessment. I need a contract exactly what needs to be done. Well, that's what I'm telling you. Written. We need something in writing.
That's evidence. What can I ask a question? I'm not What is your timeline on cleaning out this basement to get somebody in there? About another week. So, we got delayed. I said basically there were two weeks that were taken up because of Bob's situation. two thirds.
So the course of about a week I I was able to more or less almost all day clean out twothirds of the basement. I to get the other project to work crawl spaces of that other meat and just get that sorted out. Yeah. So that he can then get in
there and see the full extent of what he needs to take care of. And then can we get what about a contractor to get inside to look at the roof? Uh well that's the person who did my roof. He did the same boat dractor. Can he get in there and get So there's nothing
stopping from getting an estimate, but no sign contract yet. We're going to need that. We're going to need that. May I say something? Nobody talks about it because it was originally said to not just doing that, Ruth. where we were
already in charge of doing something for the whole house. This house needed certain things that we forever did not do because my husband was a freak of law and he was saying you cannot enlarge, you cannot do this because we're within the 200 ft from the group and so on. So
finally when he saw what is happening around it decided okay then we can go ahead and do what you want. So, we had told the town that we're not just doing the plumbing that we need. We're doing a lot of different things. We're expanding the house on the garden side. We're
taking down completely the front porch on the front. It's going to be eliminated. Uh because it was never part of the house. We're fixing the roof. The chimney was already redone that it's it's covered with a tarp because
raccoons from the Raleigh uh yard. They were going inside your room and you didn't have carpet with tarps, whatever, but the roof didn't cap. You said, "Oh, you can do that." So, there are a lot of things that they have expect
and excuse me, go ahead. Uh, you're that time has passed. No, I know. Okay. But, you know, a lot of things happen. You don't you don't have the luxury of time anymore. I know. But we're seniors. We're 70 plus years old, both of us. We had things happen. My husband fell down last year. We understand extenduating
circumstances. I think what we're looking to do is find a path that gets you to where we want you to be and we haven't seen anything. We don't do a back and forth. You have interrupted I'm sorry several
of us. Michael, except two questions as far as the plumber. I don't know what I can get from him as far as a signed contract because he doesn't want to give an estimate until he sees the full dent of it. So I I can give you a contract. I I can I can offer a suggestion. There is
such a thing as a Z contract. Ask him to put in writing what he will do to perform an assessment and the cost is zero. And then you sign that. That is a Z valid contract and it should have a completion date and and that is that
okay? Okay. If we could uh put together uh the get the vote to move forward with the um the legal services for the board of
health that we've already talked to um the legal uh I'm sorry, the lawyer that was working with us. She said that there would be at least two to three weeks that between turning in the um the
request for the next hearing date and the actual date being um you know heard. Uh it would be set and it would probably be two to three weeks out. And that sounds like it would allow for the week for Michael to finish cleaning out the
basement. would allow a week for the plumber to get in and potentially even another week for him to get a estimate written. Um, it would give the gates's times to talk to the um or their contractor to talk to the water
department to find out what's necessary to get the water turned back on. It would potentially give uh not sure why the roofer is not able to give you a quote but you could work that would give you a lot of time. I was back you don't
interrupt please. And so both of our we would be able to move forward and so wouldn't and if we get signed contracts with reasonable timelines in place, we have no problem.
And we've indicated to the gates that the board of health is is happy to allow the work to be done by them and the contractors they choose. Absolutely. I think that the madam chair I think the
um again the lynch pin is are they living in the house or not because if they're not living in the house then it's my understanding they are free to take as much time as they want with their renovations. Okay. If they are if they
are actually sleeping in the house that is the problem. Okay. Understand that you cannot sleep in the house. I'm sorry. Live in the house. Um, so I I would like to say that there is a
bit of an issue with that because the uh emergency response and I've checked this with uh Chief McDelli, he will still send um the the fire and the police will still enter the building unless it is
boarded off. So they are still in danger. They can't get in and out um safely. And means it's either you're allowed in there or you're not. Can I ask a question? Has the house been condemned?
No. Why not? Beyond that. Um so it was introduced and instead the board allowed them another month to continue and at that point um we filed
in court instead of um formally condemning it. It also uh to formally condemn is also an expense to the town to board it up and and pay for somebody to come in and
board it up. Um so it choice of either going to filing in court or spending to board it up and then filing in court. So what what is the process you condemn
after? I guess I'm typ typically you would condemn prior to this getting to this stage, right? That's so town council felt like we were beyond that and that it should proceed straight to a court hearing um to to to
give a court order to come in to come up to code because that's what would happen after condemning, right? It just seems like so we we basically skipped the condemnation process and the court was agreeable to going right to a court order
um demanding compliance with code and so we would be at the same spot regardless. Yeah, I I understand that. I'm just wondering why, you know, why did we skip that? I don't have a good answer to that. Why?
I just there was an effort to try to kind of control and and encourage compliance without doing that. Another question, has the building inspector been into this home or does he have no role to play here at all? He
uh he could have a role if he would like. Um it's not necessary as far as um the issues that have been currently raised. Um but we did uh ask initially um the
the first complaint we received, we reached out to him regarding um the roof and I believe he spoke to the gates or or somehow that information was conveyed um to the
gates and that was their initial permit. Well, not initial permit, but that was their permit um I think in March of 2024. I'm confused. Did what did the building inspector do? I don't understand what
building inspector can play a role or it sounds like from Wendy he did something but I don't understand what he was involved with um the request back in the spring for building permit. Okay. And he issued a building permit. I don't know if it was issued but it was applied for applied. Okay. Um but I don't know if
there was followup. I don't know I I don't know how complete that application was. May I ask that you guys do that? Wait until Mr. Better Steel is done. So, I was just going to say I think you know
the situation here is we have owners who are saying we just need a little more time and I think from the board of health's perspective that little bit of time has already been given and then some. Uh and so there's a frustration level there. I think the owners are
frustrated because they think if if you'd only give us a little more time, we'd get it to the finish line. Um, I think it's important to keep some pressure on on the owners to to follow through and give us the written evidences that have been asked for.
Okay. So, I think it would be appropriate to to u proceed with the receiverhip process and I think if you wanted to give four weeks that would be okay. Um but I
think I think we need that deadline. So to um one more time, so the receiverhip once we vote to go into receiverhip or authorize the receiverhip, it's about a two or three week process, right? So you could you could authorize it starting in
two weeks from then and that would give them five weeks four to five weeks to to show the evidence that indeed real progress is being made. So all they need is a contract from a plumber and a contract
from and we'll be happily. So the question I have from Mr. Gate, young Mr. Gates clarification. So, if I texted myself, the the term you use the zero dollar contract self be familiar with that or do I need to It's just a contract and
the price is zero. That's it. I mean, a lot of people think a contract has to have a dollar amount. The dollar amount can be zero. It just outlines here's what I'm going to do. And the plumber should basically say, "I'm going to pro I'm going to inspect the
property's plumbing and provide an estimate of the work involved in order to bring it up to code and turn the water on." And that so the deliverable from your plumber is the estimate. And if he's going to do it for free, the cost of the contract is $0.
So I would like to point out that that's not actually giving us a signed contract for the work to be done. And right, yes, we understand. But it's a helpful step in getting documentation as to exactly how much work has to be done.
I I think because that's what the issue is, part of the issue. We don't know what this is all going to cost. I' I've got a question. Um, is this gas or oil heat? No gas. No, we have electric oil. And that's the thing that Mrs. Gates,
please let Michael. Okay. I I you know, plumbers get involved with heating. Yeah. And you not only need water, you need hot water. I think it's going to be a big can of worms trying to figure out for the whole house. What's the plumbing deal? You've got all kinds of pipes going in lots of different places. I'd
be happy just getting a hot water heater going with just, you know, a line going there. So, you've got some water going someplace. I think the heating system that's that that's part of the plumbing problem. Yeah, we do. And they have electric unless you say it's electric.
Please. Okay. Go ahead. Earn system in the house was an oil heating system. My parents are planning on switching to an electric. All right. So, that's not there now. That's not reality. Well, they've been using they've been using electric for the last years now. It was a mobile electric heater that you Okay,
I understand. That's not central electric. No, I understand. May I speak? No. No, you may not speak. Not Michael who controls this meeting. He doesn't. Well, it's been a problem for 12 years. That's
a long time. And I'm I'm just putting that out with the plumber that where he's got to go and to try and do everything may be very hard. So, I'm just saying the oil heating system is not going back in. So, there that's not that's already been decided. Okay.
The heat is electric with mobile devices at the moment. It won't, but the intention is to bring it up. These are not space heaters, but it's also going to be electric going forward. So, they're going to put in a a proper electric. So, so I think it's
having been through this with my son as a renter in in Boston, space heaters do not constitute uh electric heat. That is not a um it's not a habitable place if all you have are space heaters in every room. No, no, I'm not saying that was going to be
used. No, I'm talking about right now. So that again, this all pivots on the fact that no one can be living there, right? Because space heaters don't count. But in the winter, we were not here. So, so this goes, I think, more to my comment that the plumber is focused
on running water, right? Not focused on the heating system, but you also need heat in order to have an place, right? I I think right now I hope we're trying to figure out what the steps are. It's not going to happen
that they're going to do a full renovation between now and and in four weeks. Hold up. I just want to get minimum standards. Can I ask Can I ask a question? Yeah, please. If do you think in two weeks time you can get this basement cleared out and get a plumber
in there? Yes. Two in two weeks. Oh, yeah. And you can get a signed contract. I from a plumber. I I believe so. And you can get a signed contract from a roofer in two weeks.
So that the roofer and the there's already a contract. It's not fully formally signed because of the addition that they wanted to do. It came down to speak with the building permit person I think about a week ago about doing a removal of the porch and some other
things that are also going to be done. So that that can be a separate contract though. You can get a contract just to get the roof done to fix the roof. Roof. Okay. So if we gave them five weeks time,
they should have be somewhere in two weeks and if not we'll be moving on. So I I guess like file July one. So I so I think that is a fair way to
proceed. I would they though formally vote to proceed with receiverhip if that does not right I'm saying make make the timeline five weeks and I also think part of the what the directive is that it is not
habitable and there is not to be anyone living there right sleeping there you can do work in the house yeah so but Katrina and Tim not be in that house on a daily basis. Right. Agreed, Michael.
Yes. I I am in there on a daily basis to to to do things in there. That's fine. Okay. So, my mother has been concerned because a lot of times when I go in there, it's probably around like 10 or 11 o'clock at night to do things. And she said, "They're going to see lights on. They're going to think people are living here." It's like, well, she doesn't really have time to do things.
Like, so I don't know if this is part of the problem with whoever thinks someone's living there because I'm in there like weird hours doing stuff. So it's been very frustrating for me. I understand. So I I I also have a suggestion. I understand you want to
renovate your home. Yes. But right now you are at risk of losing it. I would urge you to focus on repairs first. Okay? the minimum necessary repairs
and and then worry about expansion later. Just that's just two cents worth of advice. um because that this is a very uncomfortable situation for that's what that's what the judgment of the the
judge the the court on May 9th was that um his only judgment had to do with the water connection that he said you know just could you know good faith efforts get that done and then we'll proceed from there if things right seem to be going out of control that basically was
perfect a question for Greg more time so if we uh follow and I I like where Jeff was going with this. So, we signed the order today or agreed to receive a ship
and give them five weeks to produce the information that we require. Is that what we're saying? Well, two weeks and then you're saying it three weeks before. Yeah. Because there's no the work is not going to be completed in five weeks. No, no. you know, so we need
to we need we're given well if we give you the week to two weeks to clean that out and get someone in there and get what we perceive to be it'll be our judgment if it's an adequate. I think what Jeff was suggesting was that
you have two weeks to to generate a signed contract for the plumbing and and that if we don't see that copy of that signed contract, then in two weeks at that deadline, you will proceed with the receiverhip process, which will
basically give you another three weeks, right? Um assuming it takes takes that long. Yeah. Why why don't we just agree that it gets filed on July 1. You still got two or three weeks. We're going to be meeting on July 7. We should have
something in front of us. You have the board of health. You could really kick this back to the board of health. But yes. Yes. But that seems so that you frankly I'm worried about kicking it back to the board of health. Yeah. Um,
so Wendy has her hand up. Yes, Wendy. Hi. I just wanted to make two things um clear. The judge's order referenced the order letters from November
uh 5th, November 4th, and November 5th. And those include so all of the items that the board of health has been asking to be fixed. And um I I do understand how the the select board are um assuming
some ownership of the negotiations that you have made, but this is um a board of health order um that has been approved by the board of health. And I just did want to, you know, call to attention
that the board does need to um see the documents, agree that this is adequate, which they will because this is what we've been asking them to do all along. But I but I did just want to mention that you can certainly, you know, um we
could work on this together or um or otherwise, but the board of health does need to see these documents as well. So, I just want to make sure the gates understand that anything they turn into you, they they do also need to turn into the board of health. Anything they turn into us is a public document. Yes. But
they also need to turn it into board of health. Just specifically, I just don't want them to not realize that. I think you've made that very clear. Thank you. Thank you. Can I about the water? Because when you
connect the water, you have to connect it to the whole house. Yep. Now, we're not going to have a water heater anymore. We're having a new system with the one that hits the water as the water goes through. So, when you do that, the guy cannot come and do it now without
any extension and everything we're doing. So, can we just put the connection of the water but not have the hot water because the hot water will go only in the kitchen at this point. This is the crawl space. All you need right now is a signed
contract. That's it. So it's time for the whole job to be done, right? It doesn't have to be done the whole thing because it will be with a new connection afterwards that will have to be That's the rest. That's what I'm asking. You just need a signed contract. That's
fine with us. A signed contract to make the repairs needed to make the house habitable. Regardless of what expansion plans you have would not put your home at risk in order for those expansion plans to be
taken to do partial and then continue the rest. If you put the whole job in one or just a contract, you need to do the that which is necessary to make the house habitable first and then
move on to your expansion plans. But at the moment, you are not to sleep in the house. We're not. We're not. And I wouldn't live. And our home is a good home. Our living room, our dining room that we have no signs of any problems.
We have things in there that I wouldn't even live there if my house was not a safe home. We have the roof that needs to be done and the water to be connected everything else. Fine. We don't have a modern kitchen. We don't have granite, you know, counters and all that stuff.
It's a whole kitchen. Okay, thank you. Do I submit them to the building department or the when you have the contract, drop it off at the counter administrator's office and someone in that office will see that everyone who
needs it gets it. Just to your sorry to jump in, Mr. Parleta, please go ahead. Yeah, to to your question about schedule, you know, there there can be simultaneous tracks going on here. Court proceedings will
take time to get scheduled. So, your approval will then initiate a process with the court. It'll take time for them to set a hearing date. That'll be weeks out after that. So, it's you don't necessarily have to do them in step
order. You know, you can you can keep the pressure on while also giving them time to Well, that's not you can always withdraw uh from the At what point can you no longer withdraw? I think I think right up to the right
because you will get a date five minutes before. Yeah, you will get a date. So, you know when that date's coming. Once the order is done, it's done. Once the order is done, it's done. It may be it may be you will understand five six weeks before that hearing is
yes um Tom C did indicate that on a matter of this nature they they tend to act pretty quickly and I have to assure you Mrs. Gates, please don't interrupt. My understanding is that even if we have
the hearing date that uh the time to set um it would be a decision to go forward with receiverhip. There would still be additional meetings to get a receiver on
board with his plan. there there are steps before an actual receiver is is granted by the court permission to go in and and do the work. So that would
likely be you know the the six weeks or more out um question. So what type of individual is normally hired to be a receiver appointed I should say? There are professional receivers. Professional
receivers. Yes, there are. It's it's a profession that you can enter into apparently. They're all men at the time. Contractor types. Yeah. Okay. And they would be allowed to get into the house and tell us what's So the court has a list of receivers that they use. Okay.
Okay. Well, I'm still in favor of setting a date when we would file this at some point in the future so the clocks start ticking. I think you should say you will you will proceed with the receiverhip process in two weeks if you have a contract. Yeah,
I think that's the dead. I think so. Think you said that that house Mrs. Gates, please go ahead. Thank you. It would be insane for us not to fix what we have to do in our home. Trust
me, I was embarrassed for the past two years to see my roof the way it was. Michael was the one who climb up and put those tarps so the shingles will not fly because they will each other anyway. But
it's only the front part of the problem. Um, we will hate to have the town spend money on us, taxpayers money to go to court and all these other things. I don't know how we arrived in this kind of state and I have to trust me that I
have never heard anything like this in my life and I have never experienced and this is the first and I hope it's the last time I ever come to anything like this and I promise you that we have the funds we had people who were trying to say maybe we don't have we haven't paid the taxes and all that stuff said we
have nothing done like that it's just that things happen in life and some are personal some are We are hoping I wish my house was done last November, but it wasn't. So from I
thought, well, maybe by the 4th of July it would be all done. Well, it's not going to be done obviously. Hopefully some of it will. So that's all. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Um, I think what we ought to say is that we will
authorize the proceedings for receiverhip in two weeks. July 1. July July 1st. That sounds good to me. Um unless there is um a written contract
from a plumber and a roof they would still have a two two or three week window after that get something in and then we would stop but so what we're saying if we can get those
documents we won't go receivership authorizing receiverhip certain If we don't receive that information by uh certain then we take the next uh then then it's filed and they still have some time and I think that it's it's the minimum standard will be h
um it's unclear to me what exactly the full extent of habitable it should be outlined in the court documents. So Wendy are you able to just summarize the what is it list of four or five items? So we have water, we have
roof, have egress, um egress, the um front retaining wall. Oh no, that wall was done by the town. Do you want the town to pay for it? Was the front retaining wall have anything to do with the
ability thing? So I'd like to Did we I didn't see the I must have missed it. Did we have the court order in this package? I must have missed it. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, I got lost in in the trans and the bonds.
Um, this is the we shouldn't be to to Wendy's earlier point, we shouldn't be making up the list, right? So, but you could just say comply with the court order
contracts to comply with the court order. So, this is the complaint from the board of health, right? And I'm trying the court order, right? And so,
yeah. Where is the court order? No, that's that's the complaint. That's the complaint. The correction order. Is that the correct order? Okay. Oh, is it No, the correction order is the order that was um that the board of sent to the
gates. Okay. Okay. So, where is the copy of the order? I don't know what I'm approving order. You gave it to them in their packet. Um, basically it's saying that they have 30 days to comply with the
orders of correction dated November 4th and which are basically the same except one says um that there was no water at the house. So So what you're saying is the court order says that they must adhere
to the correction order issued by the board of health. Yes. Correction order has three things listed on it. Failure to maintain structural elements, maintenance of areas in a safe and sanitary condition, retaining wall, and
means of egress. Again, I don't understand. Here's my problem. Okay, I have no problem with the board of health requiring running water. Um, but some of the items on this list, I'm just questioning how this has anything to do
with the habitability of the house. retaining wall. What does that have to do with it? The retaining and what experience on the board of health membership says it is structurally unstable.
I want the building inspector to go tell me it's structurally unstable. And then it says retaining wall is less than 10 feet from foundation. I don't understand what that's that's my that's my problem Greg is I have no problem with the board of purview but I'm into I'm comfortable
with are they possibly going beyond their purview out of the goodness of their heart you know trying to make sure the home is in decent shape. I I'm questioning some of the items on this correction order as outside the purview of the board of
health. They're all listed in the sanitary code. Bowing out onto or into the uh walkway space and potentially that could cause fall or an accident.
I I think at the moment this this board is less concerned with possibly tripping on the sidewalk. I would just point out though that the judge was comfortable putting that in his order. So So you do I understand but
he's assuming that this was I mean I don't know anybody on the Florida Health is a construction expert. I just I would feel more comfortable if the building inspector had had deemed that area unsafe or or won't do that though. Yeah.
May I answer that? Or Mr. Holando already had sent us a letter when the walls started bulking out. The stones were not taken down because the plows in the winter there was a f it's a hole in the corner and they will go sometimes
through. So they would hit the wall and the guy the man originally when um when that happened and the wall actually broke in the foreigner the town paid to have a man who does chimney work is in
the cricket paper and everything and he came and fixed it but he fixed only the part of the corner that all the rocks were really moved and then the rest of the cracks maintained the same size open. So with the winter and the rain that froze and started pushing the
stones further out and Mr. Orlando sent us a letter which I have last year and he said those walls the wall has to be fixed because it's endangering the people who walk on the sidewalk. So I we talked with Mr. Orlando then and we said
actually the walk the wall we explained what happened. the town should fix it. And he said I said but we don't want the town to fix it because they fixed that before in the corn they didn't do the rest. So I crowbar the rocks and put them down and Michael moved them in front of the storage and we thought in
the spring we're going to have to build the whole wall because the whole wall is a problem and it's not a part of the foundation was built in the 40s. The foundations of the house were built all under the house and they're like myia boulders and have nothing to do
with the foundation of the house and it was done much later in 40. So we're fixing it ourselves this summer. My my opinion that's beyond the scope of what we should be worried about here. think we should be worried about a
contract for the roof, contract to get the water going and go from there. Go from there. That's it. Just those two items. I agree. Issue that emergency personnel would I'd be concerned about
emergency personnel trying to access dwelling. So on that topic, my thought is that everything that I've seen though there's there is temporary stuff being placed in front of these um
openings or these entryways because they're working on the property. And I don't know that that's different than any other construction site. Yeah. I I just and and it's not permanent obstruction
responders are reasonably agile. Yes. And what are they responding to? No one's living there. They're responding to a construction accident or something, which would have usually a lot worse than that, right? Michael, what temporary things are you currently referring to? Oh, it says like um
potting plants or something somewhere. I saw that. Uh I think that from what I understand there was a road fusion. Uh the Tim Brady storage facility they have access to their building until 7 o'clock at night. One night I went to move some chairs but it was after that time. So I
I left them on the front of my parents steps with a tarp over them and I guess someone saw that and thought there was it technically wasn't obstruction but it was there for one night until I could take and it's gone now. It was it's been gone for eight months now. Is the front door accessible now? Yes,
it is. I drove by it today. Oh, okay. But that's the way you access the house. I go both ways so that they access eress and both uh relative. My mom likes to put some flower pots in front of it because she doesn't want people coming to the uh she had a sign
for the UPS people to not leave packages at the front door, but they kept doing it anyway. So she I'll put the pots there, make them go around. Why are UPS packages coming to this address? That's where I get my packages delivered to. Even though I live across the
street, we have a garden. Peel the onion. Like their back door is safe because it's in the yard on the street, right? Right on school street. So if anything that's left there is Somebody took my vest the day from the
wall that I was open. Okay. So, have we made a decision? So, I I I guess my point in looking at this was um how do we formulate the order? I'm not looking to agree with everything that's
on here. I wouldn't take somebody's house because they, you know, uh didn't fix the retaining wall. So, I think we need to be very specific about what items um constitute constitute a serious go to the roof and the water roof and the and running water. Those are the two
things and that's it. The rest of it they can fix on their recreations. Just to be clear, the only reason they ended up in court with us was because of the running water. Right. Right. That's number one. Okay, that's understandable. to everyone's point here. I'm good with
uh further defining the order as to those trials. Yeah. Yeah. I'm Greg. Can I believe a motion is in order to instruct the written out here? So the motion is to
request from the owners written contracts by July 1st that will bring the water up to code in the building and fix the uh to fix the roof to repair the roof to habitable
standards. And that if that is if that documentation is not received by July 1st, the tab will have the board of health proceed with for proceedings for receiverhip.
Just one other question. Can we put a time frame? I mean I mean some scrupulous people might say okay I've got my contracts I'm done now. We do we put a time frame in this work has
done like for the next six months or I would not you know I don't know with contract if they're not living there it doesn't matter if it takes two months or six months to have the work done right the point is they can't live there we have to do it summer I don't want to be
in the winter I know I'm just I just don't want to do the bullet we got the uh the contracts in place we're done you want to say within six months then starting I don't but I but we can't I you know you can't tell a contract the summer time contractors are busy they
pick and choose when they can fill up so we can't hold them I want to see if I can six months is a long time it is but the contract should give a you know with an update on construction progress within
number of months okay that's what I want to see I want to see there's a metric that we have to follow I want to make sure that we're just not placating us by giving us the contracts and then walking. Okay. Fair. Would they be coming to us or going to the board of health?
Health, right? I would have the board of health. Yes. Are we going to the permit of Mr. Orlando for this also? You have to. Yeah. Because we have to give him the So, we report it to him so he can come and check. You have to pull your
contract will pull permits. the contractor will deal with the build inspector was the roofer who is coming did it over the internet and the woodwork we actually said let's do that house first see how the work goes
because we never knew how he worked up and then we saw the foreigners and we didn't think that was very well done so at this point you are seriously in danger of losing your house well I hope we don't come to anything in my life
ever. It's something like that. And I promise you, I'm not proud of it. I'm sick of it. And I would never never say anything that I would not do. So even if the roofer doesn't do things exactly the way you want. Not exactly.
I'm talking about the quality of the work. I you you need to have a roof. You need to have No, no, no. I'm saying what they did. Thank you. Okay. So the motion is that
the thought form will authorize the money, the legal fees for application for receiverhip unless there is a contract
for to provide running water and and roofing. Hot water running water running water and hot water. Yeah. Right. And that in that by July 1st by
July 1st and that progress reports will be provided on the progress of the construction. Uh I would say every give a progress report every two months until complete. Yes. Good. Okay. And does that give us is there a
caveat here that we're not satisfied with the I mean it's that's always that suggestive if we're not satisfied with the progress or because you got a contract and you've been staring at that top still for another four months what's going on here. Yeah. You can you can
always move to to because we have that paperwork. We have the paper. I think that's fair. I think I think that I think that's more than fair. Yeah. where where we are now, where we were and where we are now. I think that's uh
fair. I think it's it's speaks to the issue that you're doing. It speaks to border health. I think it's uh I think it's just the way to go. May I say something to all of you? We would have been already been working on the roof the house now the same roof we did
but because of my husband's three weeks I was in Boston for a long time so that brought the roofer said well I have another job I cannot wait we don't need the job done we just need a contract that I want the
job done I understand that you want the job done but first you need a contract yeah I know this is Debbie can you read back. Can we ask AI to be back again? Um, let me try again.
that the select board will authorize the planning board. The planning the board of health to the board receiverhip unless we have received
a contract for to bring hot and cold running water into the house and a contract to repair the roof. by July. By July by July and and with progress reports on construction and
with and we will require progress reports every month, two months every two months until that change from hot and cold running water to the house. They already have water to the house in
the house. In the house in the house in the house, not to the house. up. Second. Was that a motion? I'll second. Sorry. Okay. Is there any further discussion? John, yes. Ann says, "Yes, Kathy." Yes.
Brian and Jeff. Yes. Thank you all for coming and explaining all of this. Good luck. Good luck. Hopefully we don't see you again. We hope you I hope I see you. I hope I
don't see a bit. Yeah. Um, that's good. We will ignore complaints that there are lights on at odd hours. We will have No, but we leave them on all the time the lights. Yeah, because we don't want anybody breaking in exactly. Don't we leave the lights? I tend to go to bed at
like 2 3 in the morning. Okay. by there. So we trust you that when you say that you're not living there and if you find that in fact you've decided to sleep there, oh we will see you again. We'll move to receive.
Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you Wendy. Thank you. Okay. At some point I have right. Okay. The next is the amended flag policy final reading.
I think it's transferred to make the motion. You have the motion. I'd like to know like close. I move the select board approve the request for a mayor testify the sing
museum for flag that's not it policy that's you said it was me that's why it's not actually volunteering is hard [Music]
I move that the board about the updated flag policy as written. Second discussion. Jeff, yes. Brian, yes. Yes. Says yes.
John, yes. Very good. Then we go to the fourth flag. I move that the Can I do it now? Sure. Chomping at this for a while now. I move the select board approve the request from the Manchester by the Sea Museum to
fly the Forester flag in commemoration of the 250th anniversary of the American Revolution and the first version of the American flag on the town hall flag pole from July 1st to July 6th and to sign a proclamation to that effect. Second
discussion for flagster. Anybody know what this looks like? Yes, there's a picture in your and it's got it's red. It's got seven stripes on one side and black.
I thought it was a bed spit to be honest with you. There it is right there. It's a battle. Oh, I didn't know that. I'm like, what is this red? It It's not a display flag. It's a battle flag. It's how you find your unit. I think we're going to get a lot of questions on this.
We should probably have some preempt preemptive communication. It's planning an article next week. Well, I would put stuff on social media. This is not, you know, communist China raising Chinese flag.
I think you're going to hear some people, but I think the explanation Well, I think Yeah, I think it work and I think and I and then I know this is not part of this discussion, but I'd like to see and then an annual event
probably around Patriots Day. Yeah, maybe it's Patriots Day. All right. The museum board is taking note of that comment. And I think that the be prominent in the parade also. No, it won't be a little on
our that's a replica that will be on the but I think that in the f I mean I like the unveiling of it this break but I think that if it was supposed to go to Lexington and conquered I think that's a I think that's a good date. That's a good idea. Yeah, stop and then just stop
it at Al like they did in 1775. Okay. So, we'll have a proclamation for you to decide if you can stop by Wednesday. Wednesday.
Mark. Okay. Good. All right. Did we vote on that? We We haven't I don't think Yeah, you I did. We vote. You read it, but you you made the motion. You made it again because he corrected me on how I pronounced it,
too. Jeff, you were the second. I did second. I did it, but I don't know if we No, we just discussed it, I think. Okay. No, let's move again. Yes. And yes,
Kathy, yes. Brian, yes. Jeff, yes. That looks temporary. Nice. So, like Wednesday afternoon, Debbie, would it be ready? If you're out tomorrow, it wouldn't be ready Wednesday morning. I'll try to get first thing done Wednesday morning and I'll send a
note to you guys soon. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Um, it's not going to be long, right? The next item is um the hybrid meeting board and it starts the purpose of this room
memorandum is to proper protocols and I think sure uh again so it says here it's the uh
first memorandum is established for the the genesis of this is that it's my belief that uh all adjudicatory boards should be meeting hybrid. Okay. I think that uh we we should be
holding all these these boards the highest standards okay for uh community interaction and engagement and as such all boards should follow the same rules of conduct uh when it comes to public engagement.
All right. Uh I mean I can speak more to this. I think it's pretty selfexplanatory as to what I'm trying to accomplish here. I I have a problem with the as it conven this meeting is available electronically in the event of a technology failure the meeting will
continue if we're only requiring a quorum of the board be present and other members of the board are coming in by zoom I don't think it's appropriate to continue the meeting if we don't have well I think
this was more to this to speak to uh it would uh say a presenter say an applicant uh had a problem with a zoom just like or an applicant couldn't make it to a hybrid meeting okay we would
automatically continue that this is just uh the the disclaimer itself okay was ripped from the pages of the town of Wen yeah I and I I even if it had been ripped from the pages of heaven Um, I I think the Zoom portion of our
our meetings is important and it's a significant step toward transparency of the board and and making it optional. I'm just saying maybe I'm I didn't present it properly. My point being that
if there is a technical glitch that prohib or that so one particular item on the agenda can't be heard because say it is just an applicant that's having problems with the zoom but
you know who is present all of a sudden he can't get his displays up on the board or he can't share the screen or whatever a myriad of reasons why it doesn't happen that particular uh item on the agenda would be okay uh continued
to the next opportunity opportunity. All right. Uh it wouldn't end move on to the next item on the agenda. It's it's what what concerns me is if it's the whole Zoom that falls off
um and nobody can can follow the meeting. So that means other board members who might be on Zoom, they're out for the rest of the time. That's that's the point. That's that's or a major point there or or so for boards that take
public comment someone who had who had comment that they thought was significant. I understand when you're on Zoom you're taking that chance in that situation. If it's that important show up. So is this a mute discussion? I thought we received information that town council said we
don't have the authority under state law right now to to um enact this type of procedure. I think I think that I still think it should be protocol. So
let me offer um possible compromise. Um I I read the council's, you know, opinion. Sounds like we don't have the authority to mandate anything, but I understand what you're what you were trying to communicate the last time we talked about this was that you think
people ought to have the right to come to a meeting and face the adjudicate adjudicator in person. Okay. In person. Can we establish a I don't know if you call it a best practices or a maybe
protocol is the right word to um you know the committees have the right to run them how they want right now under state law but if an applicant requests an in-person meeting I would hope that
the the um board members would would honor that request and hold it in person meeting for, you know, rather than say all the meetings have to be hybrid, you know, you may have applicants who actually would prefer Zoom because they
may be working in Boston have a, you know, an hour and a half commute here. So, can we put it on the allow the applicant to do what you say? They give them the right to request an inerson meeting. I hear what you're saying, right? I just I don't even know why we're debating this to be honest with
you. think that this is the the what I read as far as reasons they don't we don't need it I thought were excuses and not reasons okay uh you talking about town council
no I'm talking about the the one board in particular that uh is an adjudicator he's talking about town council talking about town council like I I I'm wondering if we are trying to discuss something that we don't have the authority to implement. Yeah, that's I I
I kind of um leaning I didn't realize that and we talked about it two weeks ago. I'm I'm leaning with Kathy. I think we ought to make the statement that we would prefer hybrids rather than anything that is that that is going to be totally applicant. You know, if someone No, the applicant
thing. Yes. They want that meeting. That's correct. People ought to show up. You know, I think and if if that's the case, why then people have to show up in person if an applicant wants to do that. But otherwise, I think we can just say we can't order other boards to do that. No, we are not. We're saying we prefer
that everybody meet hybrid. Nice. I know that one board is the same. Yeah, we can't we when does that um state law expire? 2027. It might be two might be two years before this is the same. I think it's
been extended. Well, you got to write a note to your state senator or something and say you don't want this, but because that's the way it's written right now. Well, again, agreemently, I I would prefer to implement the uh
protocol and then let someone come back and come after us. I think they concomage or No, I don't I don't really I'm so up to here with the wonderful litigation that we have. I don't know. the reason
to change. I'm going to say there is no good reason not to do it. No, I think communication is a personal preference, unfortunately. And since we're all humans, we don't all have the same preferences. Are you sure? I'm pretty I'm pretty sure we're all humans, but I
could be wrong. Um, well, it's unfortunate that it won't grow that way. What should we do? Well, again, I think that in the best interest of this community, all right, we should afford them the
opportunity to meet in person. Okay. Uh I think that the uh it's nobody around here is denying. Okay. So, wait a minute. has con and so
my suggestion was that we we allow an applicant to request an in-person meeting. Have we actually asked concom if they would object to that? They're reasonable apparently they can well but but we did I don't think we asked that specific question. They're very
reasonable people and I would think that, you know, if that they might go along with that. You know, if an applicant really wanted an in-person meeting, would you be open to holding one, maybe that is something we can write into the policy or whatever, but
they would have to agree to I'm asking, but if we haven't asked them, then we don't know. Yeah. No, I agree. It's it's a it's a road to go down for sure. Well, why don't we ask Tom? Are you the con? I am. I am. But I try to keep I keep keep trying to go to meetings and I can't
find them because they're not here. Oh, you mean going physically? You're I show up and no one's ever here. So maybe you can ask them if they would be open to that as a compromise, you know. Okay. I will I will I'll ask them the
next time. I think they're July 1st, I think. Yeah, July 1st. I mean, uh I just again it's it's it would be disappointing if they said no. No, a resident comes to them and requests an inerson meeting. That would be disappointing. I read their their memos
uh they don't think it's necessary. But anyway, that's enough. I I think we've gone we've kicked this one around about enough and um okay, to be continued. I'm going to suggest that we stand up
because I have been sitting for long enough that my legs aren't the chair. Stand here. I'll have to stand. You don't have to stand, but I am going to stand up. Get myself a glass of water. One minute. Really
impressive. Where are we? at the knees. It's illegal. It's not. It's not care. Well, you can do something doesn't mean you should do something.
Just because should be hot. Well, that's what I want to see with the temperature. I want to see what kind of answer they give. Oh, they're going to answer. I think that's important. I see what they're really uh I I don't think I was asking anyone to
first born. Look, I used to have an hour and a half commute home. Okay, I'm telling you, there's no way I could have made a 6:30 meeting, which would have benefited all of you. Right. But I'm just saying if if if you have to show up in person all the
time, that can be rough. Not everybody works on KAM. You could also separate it between a meeting and a hearing. So you know, you know, or hearing like you're talking about when you're facing adjudicator as a res. That's usually
through a hearing which is held to a higher standard of I'm willing to go. I'm willing to entertain that. So, is that is that against the law? Did town council say we couldn't I think I didn't read it, but when I when we looked at it,
the law doesn't say that you the law doesn't really authorize you to make it, but it doesn't say you can't hear that that a town can like set up a standard process. You know, it doesn't
say to look at what town council role. When we looked at it, it wasn't that the law isn't super clear on it. says what what boards are allowed to do as far as opening line, but it doesn't say she
board has its ownity or the board of select men can or can't set protocol. Is that how she's interpreting the fact that she interpreted the language as a board
can make remotely, right? It's giving them the authority to make that claim themselves. No, that's interpretation. Interpretation, but I you know the suggestion of a hearing maybe that's a
an avenue that could be pursued or something. But let's see what they come back with. See, that's that's a sensitivity with regard to uh the applicants. The other piece of the picture there is that if you don't have in-person meetings, many of the board members never meet each other.
That's not the case with this particular board because they have field site visits all the time. But there would be a lot of other boards where and I mean I joined this group when uh everything was remote. Everything was
remote. We didn't see each other for two years. Bottom line is you can't run a big company unless you have remote meetings. So the notion that everybody has to be in prison for everything is really not true. And that was long before COVID and long before Zoom. So, it's just, you
know, reference. Could we ask town council whether it would be possible to distinguish a hearing from a general meeting that that you can ask I mean everything that Hong
Kong does is a hearing. Yes. Yeah. My point dealing with issues. That's just one that's count's always that one one opinion. All right. I'm willing to I'm willing to take the fight. Gl When would you like to take this fight up again? I'm done with it
for tonight. Okay. No, I'm just saying is that all I'm saying is that we have town council's opinion of the interpret how they interpret the uh Okay. I I would like to set the protocol and see what Well, I and and if we have another
discussion on this, I would like to have the in-person protocol be driven by the resident, the applicant effective. You put this on for because not everybody is in agreement that that virtual meetings are ineffective.
Second July meeting. Yeah. First, this the second meeting in July or the second meeting in July. want another meeting without this one. I'll do that if we can give up doing ever doing trees again. Oh, yes. Okay.
All right. I will I will I will agree to that if we can come up with a compromise and I never want to see a tree again. I understand. Okay. Let's move on to the liaison assignments. Um Kathy, you have several
and you've added I think the So I Here's what I have issues with. Um I really it's not so much the volume, it's the timing. I I have problems with the board of health attending the board of health meetings. I have hardly attended any of
those. Um and actually um I'm not assigned to those CBA. So I don't know how that was that was never mine. So that is not okay. CBA's. Um I also have issues with Wednesday evenings the finance committee. So I'm looking to
offload the finance committee. Um I I at the moment I'm down to the school committee. So I would take on finance board. Yeah. Yeah. So then that just leaves me bike and ped downtown improvement and the facilities committee and those are
very bad. Um John, you have you are the only one who has a department. Yeah, that's correct. Well, actually you're dealing with the safety. I do. It's a it's a wouldn't call it de facto
kind of public safety. Yeah, he's dealing with uh he keeps in touch with the chiefs. Yeah. fact we have. So that's that's kind of the laughing ball or dunk and that's an appropriate I mean not appropriate few necessarily but that's an appropriate
thing to keep an eye on you know uh and we can talk about this during the uh the on updates but how something grew out of that discussion what we that's what we're working on right now well the updates talking updates not update
assignments the actual daison updates okay and and I have I also have library under my I used to have library. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. You Yeah. You swapped out library a while back. Yeah. So So
I've got uh pox andrex.com and zpa and public safety. And public safety. Yeah. How that happens. Jeff's not a newbie anymore. So you Yeah. Time to load him up. Well, Jeffy,
turtle. Oh, that's right. That's true. Essex check. That's true. Well, so you got so much experience with school committee. Maybe you should take the Manchester schools. Just throwing it out there, pal. Okay. Um, my understanding
moment is I have spoken of any finance and board of health. Yes. John has public work, Department of Public Works, Historic District, Council on Aging and Library. Right. Kathy has
bike and ped downtown improvement and facilities. Brian, you have parks and wreck, ZBAN, and public safety. and Jeff planning board hybrid advisory
and ES6. Yeah, I want you something else you want me to do. We'll find something else. Double question. I have a question. Did we formally disband vote to disband the
MBTA zoning task force? No, we need to Yeah, we did. We kept it on because of ancillary, you know, lawsuits that were happening in other towns. I feel we are ready to disband that. I know we jointly created it with the planning board, but
can we just vote to do that or do we need to have a big discussion with them? I don't think it needs a big discussion. Okay. I move that we disband the MBTA zoning task. We probably should put it on the agenda for next time. Okay. I
will withdraw my motion to put on the agenda for next time and next time. Should we combine that with the roles and responsibilities for downtown improvement and downtown um not revitalization? Would you call it invigoration
and just and just formally dispand that? We have to know when to close things off. Yay. At this point, um, we have
the we have we is on reports. No, we have we is on confirmation. where it comes consent agenda and I would like to move B from the consent agenda and
consider the rest of it as do you want to do the updates that was after confirmation it's just talking okay sorry updates back up it is on update
oh god uh yeah library met uh Friday. Guess it was Friday. Sat sat in on their uh board meeting. They've got a new chair, Sarah Davis, who was elected. Actually, she filled in, I guess, the end of a someone else's term, but she
was elected again. So, she's the new uh chair of that. Nothing just the usual stuff going on in the library. Nothing major to report out of that. um public works. I think we've all seen the signs that are now up and we've all read the comments
that you know I have not social media saying about these. I have read only positive comments. I've just heard that. Wow, they're really small. Oh, I I read and I said wow. Kathy and I said stood next to them in the DPW garage. You said, "Oh god,
they're really big." But once you put them up there and you stand back 100 most of them mostly vast vast majority very positively. So I think it's a good that's uh and with no do we we cut back on the amount of signs. Right. Right. We
did. Yeah. We did phases. Yeah. So, I think it would be helpful if DPW could communicate to us um when they plan the what what are the locations of the remaining signs and when they plan to do it because I I know they didn't have enough money to do everything this year,
but I thought we instructed them to just wait till the next fiscal year, which is only a few weeks away. And so, what is their plan? They've got a couple more coming by coming to us with regard to the bathrooms, public bathrooms. also need another I think what I've heard is
that it would be uh the sign for the what I like to call the secret passage. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, I have a should be two-sided. Yeah. Oh, it's only one sided. It's only one side. So if you're coming from the beach, you don't see the sign. Yeah. Yeah. That was the one
comment. Yeah. One comment about um that particular sign. It's placement. It's hidden behind other signs. Yeah. It's hidden behind. It's on a light pole that's right behind a parking sign. It's like a very uh I don't know. Was the one down here double? That one doesn't really have to
be doublesided because nobody's coming from the other street. Yeah. Beach Street, but other than that, I think everyone Okay. All right. That's They like the design. That's uh we'll see what the story is with that. Um, the
historic district commission has had now two hearings on cargo and they changed their their plans. I don't know if you've seen their plans. Have you all seen their plans? I think and know what the story is. So, they've got the garage is now at the top of the
hill and in fact, so you're parking your car on the second floor of your house, but that's just the way it is. They've got a onecar garage up there. And a lot of the noise went away when the primary hearing came down the pipe a week and a half ago when they saw that the garage was now in the back and it was reduced
to three stories from four stories. So there are some minor things that need to be dealt with. It was not approved at the last meeting and I guess will come up again I guess about three weeks but it was stuff like uh you know the the dental trim work um some fencing
um some uh railings on the on the details these details sort of thing but nothing nothing that was major so I expect that there may be a vote on that at the next uh meeting which is I think the second uh Thursday of July.
and uh Council on Aging and the Senior Center surveys are going out a week from today with regard to public opinion about the senior center and this is to finalize messaging associated with the money raising initiative for two and a half to
$3 million. They will be surveying. They want to get 150 surveys and they are also interviewing 50 people in person over the next say three weeks or so. They are sending the survey thing out to I think 2,000 people starting
next week and hope to get 150 back cutting across all demographics. This isn't just seniors. It's it's a little bit of everybody. Um, and they're expecting that they'll finalize the findings of this probably by the middle
of July and hope to start the the money raising initiative at the end of the summer, the 1st of September or so. Um, in concert with that and I guess the facilities planning group is associated with that, the architects um, need to get going on a rendering and the
facility planning committee is part of that certainly initially and in the middle etc. because there are a lot of stakeholders involved with how that floor plan is going to look in terms of people who will work on this building and who would be possibly offices in there and all all kinds of people. And
so that's going to have to go through a a vetting process with a number of groups over over the summer. But they hope to have a a fairly good architectural rendering that meets at least most people's expectations by around the 1 of September. So that's got
to move along because that is obviously needed in terms of uh the money raising initiative. But that seems to be uh moving along um pretty well. That's it. Um I can meet this week and downtown
approvement committee has to delay their meeting next week. uh sometime in this you know they haven't the beach is open for what purpose I have no idea
I guess whatever all right uh the um the parade is pretty much all set chosen a grand marshall and might let that let you all ruminate over that and try to figure out who it is. Okay. But something that grew out of
this this we call it these public safety coffees we have is uh Jake uh McNeely just offhanded saying that he uh the fire apparatus lost loses Wi-Fi as they get to the singing beach club through uh
cooperation between DPW and uh wreck we now have a stylink set up at the beach. Okay. the um is going to service at this point just will take care of I can assume the apparatus that they approve. So, but uh beach
personnel, the town employees, it'll keep the uh ATM up and running all the time now and also take care of the uh concession stand. I think that's all we're concerned about this summer, right? And then and then we'll see how
it goes. There's a way of expanding service to the general public on the beach for I don't even know how that works. You have to sign in or something or uh I'm not I think it's probably it's probably a secure website right now. I mean a secure site at this point and I think that someone more knowledgeable
than I understands. Well, I have problems dragging a red six over the black seven playing solitude, but uh I'll find a way of the problem is the cost. I think right now I I think it's like $90 a month or something like that
or some ins well not insignificant but uh for the service but if we expand it to the general population and how it's going to uh burden the the system itself and I don't know. So these are things we're going to look into that should be looked into. But yeah, there
are people who who prefer to go to the beach and not get there. No, I agree. Don't tell anybody. As I say, but it's also pay for service. So it's also becomes an issue for a lifeguard at the power end of the beach, right? To call
for help or something. They surely have radios. Okay. Uh but we've uh just, you know, so that's where we're at. Just why don't you just keep on throwing sand kicking sand on? We're happy. It's great to have it. No, that's great. Uh
and uh there's no no EVA meeting this month, so I can't leave foot on that. I'll get back to you as soon as that one go. Um planning board had their public
forum. I think we're all there in the downtown visioning. So, I won't go too ind depth into that. Um, one thing actually, Brian, I noticed which seemed like a good idea was excellent interviews for
businesses that are leaving town. Sounded like a good idea to get feedback from people that have either left or I don't know if that happens for us or the chamber. Yeah, but it's a topic tomorrow morning. Yes, tomorrow morning topic good uh some good information to gather
I think uh hybrid advisory there was some more talk about the enterprise uh turning the hybr enterprise fund the committee seems to be getting on board with that they mostly think it's a good idea I think
and a little more talk about the harbor master office um there's still a questioning having a separate committee for that. I know we talked about the building committee
covering that possibly, but yeah, we have a lot of committees. I just right um some of the people in the hybrid advisory thought that because of the certain aspects of a
hybrid master office maybe I I think when we I mean every facility that we're going to encounter is going to have its unique elements and and when we discuss a particular facility we ought to make sure we bring in the right
um representatives to deal with those unique aspects. I think that's a really good point. Yeah. Um they did have a steering committee before but CO happened and then that was kind of where that stopped. Did they um so
the thought behind that committee is um behind that harbor master office is still to have it like around Reed Park type thing. Yeah. So you know where that little beach is in the corner like that flat. Yeah. that
little area right there. But it would be what they're talking about now is it'll be either all on pilings or partially. I don't know. Greg, do you know anything about this? Yeah, it has to be has to be
on pilings to get there's opportunity for more grant money if it's tied into park floats. Oh. Oh. Well, yes, but but also even if you're on reed land, it would need to be
elevated. Right. Right. Yeah. I was always curious just there's also ahead. So, a second location they were been kicked around about putting it actually on Wars Pier, right on the where that where that um shelter is basically
converting that shelter into a building, enclosed building. I think slightly expansion. What I like about that location is it services. Correct. You got your bathrooms right there. Right. So I I just I think that's really the suggestion. I a placement of the
harbor masters. I understand why they want that side of the train tracks, but since the launch, you know, the ramp is on the other side of the train tracks. I've always wondered, have we ever collected any fees for the launch for launching of boats? You know, in other places when you have a public landing,
you have to pay like something. Yeah. No, there's that. There was talk about that. Yeah. That's so hard to talk. Well, if you're can't see them. Yeah. It's hard to collect here. Just the the harbor master's boat
is at Reed Park, which Right. No, I understand it makes sense, but I ought to I as part of the harbor uh finances, we ought to figure out why what do we need to do to collect fees for launch? Oh, they are they are actually working on that right now. There was there was some talk of of
having fees for PE for companies that regularly launch boats, right, for commercial. So commercial would be easier to control. It's it's the casual, you know, somebody comes down at five o'clock on, right? They were talking about a QR code with attached to do
something. I just think it's a missed opportunity because you know it. Yeah. I think it's just the problem is to have someone physically there. The value of what you're going to pull in. So that's kind of what the
you know what do what do we what do we think we're talking about for money? I don't know. That's why I just wondered if the harbor advisor committee ever talked about it because in other places where I go, you know, the harbor master's right there, you know, the launch boat right there. He sees you launching a boat and he comes out and
says, "Where's my where's my money?" So, you're launching in the office. Yeah, but your boat ramps back here then. That's what I'm saying. It's a geography that's a challenge, not Oh, if you you're talking about putting something back here. You mean No, I I just want the Harvard advisory committee wondering if they could look at it. you know what
what would be necessary to collect the fees. I I don't know what the volume is but they do it in other I think it's pretty low. I don't know where these trailers go. So anybody some of them but not they're not very anyway anyone who has a waterway sticker from here is free. So that cuts that
those people out. your commercial like Ann said your commercial people are where do that you could do that if you know person byperson basis is harder to I don't know what the volume is worth yeah
it's certain I mean there is talk about it's it's out there and um is doing school cultivating stuff, you know, figuring out what how they are
making progress on their 10-year plan and their three-year sub plan and their year plans within and and um it's it's good stuff. they're doing um vertical integration by subject
and horizontal so that there's some consistency to what's being taught. Um and um but what we're interested in is that they are in fact starting to talk about the budget next either this week or next
week. Hallelujah. Tomorrow, right? Even better. Not even July yet. School's not even out this time. Go ahead. Unlike other years. Yes. On your schedule. It's apparently not on my schedule, but I will make sure that it
gets on my schedule, right? Um Oh, it is on my schedule. I know because I have 15 minutes to get to a doctor's appointment after it's uh and and I hope we don't spend the whole meeting discussing the better a
better name than the um number of questions. So, and that that's money is on the report. um not go on the consent agenda with the exception of B with the exception of B.
Therefore, I move the select board approved the consented agenda items A and C. Second. Any discussion? John, yes. Answers yes. Kathy, yes.
Ryan, yes. And Jeff, yes. um on how the reappointments between um there was some major shuffling that was going on to make room for Woody
and I've forgotten the details of it. Has that happened? Hi Jack. Go ahead. Opens the atlarge. Okay. And and then be the rep for the seat. So she'd still be on the she'd still be on. She would be the rep for the She'd be the rep for
that. That was the deal. is moving. I just don't know if that actually happened. [Music] Oh, needs a styling. regarding the appointments. Yes.
Um I think some of the uh there were no new applicants. We interviewed the new applicants, right? So these are all reappoints. Yeah. Yeah. In the future, I think it would be helpful to understand how many um terms
each individual has already served just as a point of reference. That be interesting. Yes. I think it's I mean that's why we you know are frequently taking a look at the committees and I think it would be helpful to have that. Okay.
All of these would be two or would some of them be one one uh term? No, all of these are all terms. Everybody here is two plus two. So the uh so basically the second term is an
automatic if they cho choose. Right. Right. These are there aren't too many. I think most people do kind of do that. Okay. I guess it works.
Um, I would like to defer the board of health three appointments. I would as well allow them to continue until our meeting on the second meeting in July. Okay. Give us a chance to talk to the board of
health. I have got you. We all have something from Sarah Milish. Strongly recommending Andy Oldman. Did any of the other chairs comment on these three appointments?
Everybody was good. Did we ask them about the appointment? I mean, I asked about I asked Bayan regards to the Harbor Advisory. They've always been Yeah, they're very well present. Um Sarah's definitely said it. Cultural
council, I didn't really get any word back from Diane, but because I one of the things we look at is are these people attending the meetings, right? if they're not attending the meetings, they shouldn't be reappointed and sometimes a chair needs a little help to to address that
issue. I'm not sure if and I know open space is definitely they're going they're what I'm sorry um Steve Ogre and Patty are always there. I'm just wondering if we should if these are all like three term people. I'm wondering if
we should just check with the chairs of the committees to make sure these people are well contributing. Mike Chapman is Yeah, Mike Chapman is the chair. Is the chair of them and I know he's active and I think he's active, right? I mean, for the ones we know, I'm happy to approve,
but I I don't I think most of them, but that's totally fine. I can check with a few that um Yeah. I mean, bike and pen, did you ask? Um, David and um, Dana.
No, I did not check for those now. Check with them. I'm just I go to fair number of meetings. I'm not sure. I see. Um, can Brian Fry's been there? He's he's been attending. I I have no problem with that. I'm just shocked that he's been
six years. He can be committ um he's just he needs to get reappointed. I didn't miss the first one. Yeah, he needs to he's only been there one time. So, this is just that's that's the question. He has not been in town that long. But we have to But
didn't he get appointed to the planning board? So, it's up to elected. I mean, so we appointed him our first time. Yes. Yes, I remember he was here. We appointed him. That is a question I was wondering because so why is he on this list? That's Wait a minute. Hold on.
Hold on. So, you belong to the board and you are member of the I was on the CBA. That's not a problem. I'm I'm just saying all of these people have served on these boards six years. Good. Yeah. So, I don't think that's why they're here because
I don't think he's lived in Texas with the exception. with the exception I didn't get him on the last round. That's a mistake. That's I'm watching everything. Yeah, I don't think there's any issue with him being on the committee, but I think I think we need to check with the chairs
of that committee and make sure that those members are attending and there's there's no reason if you know they still want to help the committee, they could just call in whatever, but they don't have to be a formal member. Um, we can check. Uh, let's see who else.
So, we're gonna pause board of health. We're going to pause by anybody else here. CPC would very much like to be reappointed. [Music] is is chosen by the finance and they
validated that with Sarah [Music] council on they need the people anyway they only cultural
I mean I didn't have I Diane is stepping down so there's three people on that. Okay. Again, I just I'm fine with keeping the names there as long as we know that they are attending and contributing. So, I'm just trying to understand which ones we feel comfortable approving right now. If
they're not attending, I I we should not keep their we should not appoint them. So, so we know board of assessors, board of registars. Oh, they need them. We need her and she has been going and I
I'm not you know we're not just trying to put warm bodies in seats. Okay. So board of assessors board of registars um Todd is the emergency response coordinator the CPC
there council on aging. We're not sure if they're We're not sure, but need them there. But, but I know but they do they do attend to the meetings with Diane because then they can't have the whole
they need to be there. Um, they're down three people. Yeah. I go to those meetings and they just barely get the So, that's because they're down three. That doesn't involve these two people. These two people should have happened. I'm saying
are they showing up? That is my question. Okay. No. Council on aging, cultural council. Is this president showing up? I'll check Diane, but she didn't get back. Okay. So, we're going to have stepping down. Finance committee. We know. Harvard advisory
sent there. Stream team. Do we know if Patricia Mitchell definitely Deborah Faves? I got to check with Jessica. Yeah. So, we don't know about stream team. Um, we know MAPC
open space. We know those folks are attending parks and rec Sean is attending and Winter Field. You sure on that one? Mike Chapman definitely, but he's the one who responded pretty.
Okay. and so the only ones we double she said so the ones we're going to double check are bike and petted board of health council cultural so shall we is there a move motion to
reappoint the members of with the not just list. Yes. I I move to I don't see a motion, but I'll I'll reappoint the members on this committee list with the exception
of bike and ped board of health, cultural council, and the stream team. Second discussion. Jeff, yes. Brian, yes. Ann says yes.
Yay. Okay. Uh cab administrators report. Um yeah, briefly um with the heads up vendor for the trash pickup, but they
are in the middle of negotiations with their union unionized workers. um contract expires the end of this month. So there could be some hiccups in trash picking
in July going forward depending on the how things progress. So the republic vendor has said that they are putting in you know contingency plans.
We'll have to see how this pans out. This is one advantage of also having a transfer station in addition to curbside pickup. That if indeed there are problems, people have that option, taking the banks to the transfer station. We'd be dealing with another
issue with everyone, we're doing that on a Monday. Um, but we'll have to have to see and think about, you know, do we assign people different days of the week by alphabet or something like that?
Plate on your car. Um, if indeed this becomes an issue. So, heads up, not sure how it's going to play out. See, listen. So, Tonyy's taking notes over it. July one.
Very convenient. So, uh, yeah, we haven't had this before. So, this is something. No, this crisis for the new town administrator is trash. Just commenting what what is the crisis that's going to be hitting first? That's what I get that all the time. What's the
big one? Now, I know it's trash. What's your what's the contract with Republic? Uh, when is it up? They they have another year on their contract with the company, which is another issue. that has to be
negotiated, but this is separate from that. Yes. So, I'm sorry. Does that affect recycling? That's different, right? Is it just trash? No. Okay. So, it's everything. It's everything. Not black earth. Not black earth. Not black earth.
Is it just trash? Recycling trash. Yeah. So, this does expire on the 30. You said has no what has no year? Our contract our contract with with Republic with Republic. That's another deal. This is their deal with the workers. This is their contract with their workers. So
the people may be on strike as of July one. Correct. And how you notify the town through social media? Sorry, I'm looking over here. I don't think you want to send anything out on No, we don't send anything out now, but we have to be prepared.
We'll see what kind of plan B they're able to put into place if it's needed. and how successful it is. Been working with Tiffany. So, so that would mean because Jul June 30th is a Monday. So, people who have
trash pick up on that Monday, they should be fine. They should be fine. People on the Tuesday on the parade roof. Oh, that could be a on the parade roof. Pin street is a Monday. So, we're good
there. But I don't know about the rest. Central is uh Tuesdays. That's right. Yeah. So, maybe we'll just have we'll bring you know what to do. We'll put in the in the parade. We'll put trash can throw their trash.
Not a bad on the parade route. Not to volunteer the DPW, but if we had to. Yeah. We could pick up on the parade group. Okay, that's a fun one. Yeah. Yeah. So, like I said, hopefully we get lucky and things
work out, but we need to be prepared. We already talked about the way finding side uh Tony and I been spending days together comment on how well it's going. I think it's going well. So, uh, a lot of
information meeting with department leaders and talking about the different projects and spinning up to speed in general. We'll continue to do that this weekend next. So, next uh,
Wednesday the 25th, we have an all staff lunch say to say goodbye to folks and tell you to say hello to to all staff. You're certainly welcome to to come at the chapel
Monday at noon. Do we need an executive session? Do we need an executive session? Um, you you don't I could we're not ready to make decisions. I don't have a lot of additional information to share. I was hoping to
have more. I could give you I could give you two minute update on each one if that would be helpful, but I could also give that in writing to you. No, I'd prefer a two-minute updated person just and anything that's in writing is public. Right.
We're here. I just assume it's not 10:30. It's 9:30. Right. Right. Um, so we got to Tony's got to learn this is how long to go. You're not in the hunt anymore. They're not either.
I move that we enter into executive session not to return to open session per MGL chapter 3A section 21A3 to discuss strate strategy with respect to litigation if the chair declares that an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the litigating position of the
public body and as so do so declare John yes Ann says yes Kathy yes Brian Okay, we need to